If you recall -- when the Lannister twins were born, Cersei was born first... followed by Jaime, who was holding her foot. When Jaime's hand was cut off, it's almost like the link between he and Cersei was severed as well.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 true when he was a young kid he was a pretty little boy. I remember thinking my god he was such pretty child! Then poor kid turned into creepy Bran.
Alt Shift X: *25 minute video on all the theories and ways cersei could die Cersei: *dies in a way literally any other character could, with no narrative purpose*
@@barelycertain Which was? All I can see is her dying under the Red Keep with Jaime, but in my personal view, it's actually a betrayal of Jaime's entire arc, and not as relevant to Cersei's arc. This season, Cersei has been a glorified extra and whilst Lena Headey has demonstrated her exceptional acting ability, she's basically in it for less than 10 minutes and so her death has very little impact, outside of she's no longer the Queen.
Weeeelllll getting crushed by the Red Keep is an apt metaphor, but it just doesn't match up with any of the foreshadowing or established symbolism. They could have simply wrote Jamie strangling her. Have him not randomly turn on Brienne. George literally set them up for a really easy ending that would be sufficiently satisfying. Maybe it would be a bit "too obvious" but they certainly weren't capable of writing anything better.
I know I'm late but maybe cersei is so critical of other women's appearance because it also serves as a way to comfort herself that the younger, more beautiful queen that is destined to overthrow her hasn't appeared yet. That way her rejecting other women as unattractive instead becomes her unwilling to give up power.
She has many borderline and Histrionics traits along with Machivellian ones ,she’s the type who sees herself as needing to be seen as most attractive,righteous while also being selfish and scheming.
@@longwlenguyen4214 no, not really. Sandor is much closer to the Huntsman. He's a grown man breaking into a preteen girl's bedroom and threatens her life and even mocks her for her "Disney princess" view of the world. Sansa singing to him (under pressure) makes him unable to go through with hurting her, much like the Huntsman was unable to go through with killing Snow. (Sorry not sorry, but I REALLY hate the Sansa/Sandor ship for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that it treats Sansa like she has to take up the burden of being Sandor's glorified therapist. Even GRRM wasn't a fan of how Sandor has more fangirls than sweet and kind Samwell Tarly.)
What are you talking about? Episode 3 & 4, yes, very bad writing. Episode 5, no sir. Now no matter what D&D would do, previously disappointed people will always keep complaining & find more reasons to justify their criticism. Think & speak, this episode literally or metaphorically fulfilled everything that was set up in the “series", not the books. If fan theories didn't come to life, it's not the show's fault. You can always go & read the books if you're not satisfied, because GOT, as a series, was never meant to satisfy anyone completely with their fantasies.
@@gerbliherbli6561 Tell that to GRR Martin, because it was supposed to be based on his work which was never completed within the expected time frame. For that reason, the show should've never even begun airing in the first place, but did you really want that? The vision board was never completed in due time unlike what Kevin Feige accomplished with Avengers story arc. It's either everyone's fault or nobody's.
@@ariadnegmusdaedaloximo708 episode 5 writing was bad because there has never been evidence of Dany's madness, she is not a psychopath. She did cruel things to the masters in Meereen but she had her reasoning behind that. She has never been cruel to the common folk and has always wanted to help people. She even locked up her two dragons because of the damage they've done. Hence, what happened in King's landing was really out of her character and that's bad writing
@@Andrei-sm3er If you know a spoiler about Bran, I can tell you why Dany went full Targaryen Mad King. It's also a direct result of the frustration she's been continuously going through from the time she set foot in Winterfell. At this point she is only interested in fulfilling her long time desire to restore her family name & become the queen of the seven kingdoms & beyond & will stop at no loose ends. A perfectly logical reason if you're a true fan who knows the series in & out. This episode is nowhere near bad compared 3 & 4 with so many plot holes.
Imbra Kim I see your point, but it "sounds better doesn't prove the fact. Since we are already discussing a female character, just plain ole' misogynist hammers home the "self-hate" point. I guess it all subjective really.
Almost all blondes hair goes darker when they age, when kids are late teens their hair ceaaes to be gold-blonde and becomes a darker blonde. "Gold will be their shrouds" infers that her kids will die young, in my opinion.
but the Lannisters in the books are always said to have blonde hair, childs teens or adults, in the asoiaf universe their hair (at least the main members of the family) is blonde, Tywin being prime example since he is aged, and blonde...
If she listened to Eddard and ran with her children they would have all lived but she wanted everything. I think the love of her children is exaggerated in her own mind. She really cares about herself above all else.
She had no idea that Stannis and Renly were going to rebel at that point in time, she was in a strong position in the capital, while five of seven kingdoms were ostensibly backing the throne, there was no real reason to give up her son's throne to a usurper with far less men then her family has in her mind.
10:30 - On Cersei being with Rhaegar, ironically, if that had been approved by King Aerys her marriage to the king _still_ would have been plagued by her husband's love for Lyanna. Perhaps Lyanna was the younger and more beautiful queen all along, regardless of what had happened.
you really compares lyanna to cersei in terme of beauty.. cersei who was described one of the most beautiful womens in all westeros . Maester Yandel compares Lyanna to Elia, stating the she-wolf was "a wild and boyish young thing with none of the Princess Elia's delicate beauty". this is how lyanna looks alike in the books even elia who was described by cersei "a feeble Dornish princess with black eyes and a flat chest " is way more beautiful than lyanna ever was.
@@chaimae3652 Yeah, not only is beauty subjective but ppl kinda always flattered noblewomen in song and poetry. Queen Elizabeth had poems written about her beauty well into her 50s. Lyanna was beautiful to Rhaegar because he loved her
@@walruslatte6080 I doubt Rhaegar really loved anyone ..everything he had done was for the prophecy ! Atleast in the books , he returned after a year of dissapearence with lyanna didn't leave one single maester to help her in childbirth and that's why probably she died beside her young age ,but he bother himself to put 3 out 7 of the best kingsguards and leave ordres to kill everyone who came for lyanna even her family ..he didn't condemn his father's actions the man who murdered his lover's brother and father .. he lead the mad king's army to the trident to kill lyanna's last surviving brother Ned !
Just reread feast of crows. Another Cersie Robert similarity is, Cersie starts to gain weight like Robert did. In one of her chapters she says that her hand maids had ruined several of her favorite clothing and that they had shrunk, she punishes the handmaids for being careless. By itself not much, but the next chapter on her way to the sept for the first time to meet the high sparrow she complains about how her gown doesn’t fit anymore, and she hadn’t worn this gown in a while and can’t blame someone for it’s tightness
It just says cersei is queen until someone else casts her down (implied to be female). Daenerys indirectly killed her with the siege and she was queen up until she died so she checks out
The other part of her emulation of Tywin is that she seems to (in the books) only half listen to Tywin's lessons. Like the one about Robert wiping out the Iron Isles. Tywin literally tells Joffrey when he's being Joffrey that you need to both give fire and blood for defiance but then raise people up that bend the knee or else no one would ever bend to you. She just stops at the fire and blood part. It's like she just mimicks what she saw him do without clear understanding of the why. Show Tywin had it right about her: It's not just that she's a woman it's that she's not as smart as she thinks she is.
Actually robert never wanted to whip out iron islands. He gave them mercy Robert should have scoured the isles after Balon Greyjoy rose against him ... He smashed their fleet, burned their towns and broke their castles, but when he had them on their knees, he let them up again. He should have made another island of their skulls
@@legrandliseurtri7495 mainly with regard to him being blind related to his children but yeah I feel like that's the point, his children are mirrors of his flaws; but regardless he and Olenna still played the "game of thrones" the best in their day lol.
The thing is, in the books, Cersei does not love her children the way she does in the show. In the books she loves them as though they were physical assets. To add to Olenna's claim about her possibly being the worst person she's ever met, there's a fucked-up passage in the books that when Joffrey was younger, he cut open a pregnant cat for kicks, and Robert smacked him so hard for that, but Cersei enables Joffrey's psychotic behavior.
Joffs Fucked but I recall him doing that to see the kittens, or something related to that. Seemingly even more fucked up,it wasn't for fun, joff just wanted to see the kittens now and thought that was the thing to do.
Tywin told Cersei that he doesn't mistrust her because she's a woman, he mistrusts her because she isn't as smart as she thinks she is. Father knows his daughter well. Yes, Tywin is a horrible monster but even he only kills those who cross him or pose a threat, he isn't overly friendly or nice to anyone but unlike Cersei he doesn't just hate every single person. Jamie did say that Cersei likes no one but her children. Yara neither has dragons, nor did she have a father who loved her unconditionally, she endured her father and became who she wanted to. Cersei was afraid of her father, of Robert, of her son, everything she did, she did because she was a miserable human being. She didn't love her kids or even Jamie. Ofc, Jamie is responsible for the part that he played in that relationship but Cersei unknowingly or knowingly perhaps, had a relationship with Jamie, to slap Tywin Lannister metaphorically. She really wanted to be the one Tywin considered extremely talented, she knew that Tyrion wouldn't get anything but seduced Jamie and bound him by having kids with him. Jamie was the heir, by every right, he could have married a beautiful woman, he could have had kids of his own, could have had a good life. She made sure both her brothers seemed incapable in Tywin's eyes, she didn't have to do much in Tyrion's case. She never realized that Tywin was a miserable human himself, that he could not give her that validation that she desperately craved. One of the reasons why she was an overprotective mother yet wasn't a good mother at all. One of the reasons she hated the Starks so much, they had power but above everything they cared about family and people of the North. Why she hated Sansa so much, Ned got his head cut off because he believed in his 13 year old daughter so much yet her father doesn't even believe her even as a woman. She hated everyone.
He only killed who crossed him? Are you fuc.king insane? Did you not hear how many babies, children and women he had killed? INNOCENT babies, children and women and men as well... So no he didn't only killed who crossed him or threatened him he killed thousands of innocent people as well
@@wioi you are fucking insane. He didn't kill thousands of innocents, his men did, Tywin Lannister didn't go around torturing and killing people for no reason. He even reached Harrenhall and saved people from being tortured and killed, you imbecile. And read the whole thing you dumb dodo, I've clearly mentioned that he was a monster but he wasn't as stupid as his daughter, they were both cruel but he didn't commit cruelty all day for no fucking reason. And learn to speak to people with some manners.
This video made me realize that Cersei isn't angry about abuse, but rather that SHE is abused. The concept of hurting others doesn't upset her. It's that she can't be the abuser. She is another embodiment in the ASOIAF universe of those who should not have power.
To be honest I think it's an unfortunate truth that it's as far as many people's emphaty go - just on top of my head I can think of plenty who play the victim for experiencing abuse while shrugging of when other unrelated people go through the same . It's not about justice for all, it's about just for THEM and nobody else.
11:00 - Robert didn't really love Lyanna. As Ned said, he didn't really know her. Robert was in love with the idea of Lyanna. It's also important to remember that Cersei could have had a fourth child but because it was Robert's she drank moon tea out of hatred for him and the desire to deny him any legitimate children.
In the show Cerci has a talk with Cat,after Brandon's fall,and she tells her that she list her and Roberts first child.She said it was a boy with dark hair. That scene was well played. I can't remember that conversation being in the books. It did have impact for me several times through the shows ,because of the killings of his bastard and other parts as well.If it's in the books then I think she tried to love Robwrt,even after he called out Lyannas name on their wedding night. She tried to make the most of it until some point. After which she drank the moon tea when she found she was pregnant with Roberts baby. Does anyone know if the first baby was book or only show?
@@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 well, Lyanna is not better herself, she ran off with a man who had wife and 2 children knowing that this would have some serious consequences
@@arthurdryden3696 Lyanna was 14 when she fell in love with the charming beautiful sad sensitive prince... who was 22. So yeah, I wouldn't blame that one on her.
I like the idea that the 'younger, more beautiful' queen prophecy could be a reference to a younger Cersei. It's her actions when she was younger (namely her reaction to the prophecy) which, as stated at the end of the video, has led to her own downfall.
Honestly, as soon as I realized that her “younger brother” would be the one to kill her I didn’t think of tyrion, my mind went to Jaime. there’s a very big possibility he could be the younger twin, probably by only like 5 minutes but that makes him the younger one nonetheless Kinda weird how Cersei convinced herself it would be Tyrion when she had a brother/lover that is WAY closer to her and realistically have reasons to kill her under the right circumstances
She grows up blaming the death of their mother on Tyrion and then he goes to kill their father. So she always sees him as willing to destroy the family
A weird theory cross my mind, what if Valonqar could also be translated as "Little Sister"? It's very unlikely, but I can't stop imagine an scenario where Ayra murders Cersei in front of Jaime and he's blamed for it. Would be sooo funny.
23:47 Damn imagine if the people being paid millions of dollars to write the most successful television show in recent history were as creative or competent at writing compelling stories as some random youtuber making fan theory videos as a passion project.
Well he made some theories what GRRM had in mind, but it was GRRM who crafted this world and the plots beautiful. Alt-Shift-X is brilliant, but he didn't write those plots, it's George RR Martin who put those hints all in there. If anything, the showrunners either didn't give a shit about the source material - the prophecy is blatantly obvious and not subtle at all - or they're too stupid for even that. Since the first three seasons were great, I'll go with them not giving a shit.
@@flyingchimp5012 this channel is great at explaining and pointing out what GRRM is actually saying in his books. I enjoy his thoughts. I don’t believe he’s doing fan fiction either he’s just stating the obvious or just his ideas on what GRRM wrote and what he thinks it means. I really enjoy reading other people’s interpretations it’s pretty fascinating.
Tywin was cruel but also smart, yes he did terrible things but they were a means to an end. Cersei does cruel things because she is cruel, she doesn't think things through and then wonders why they didn't go as planned.
Which ironically is one of the constant criticisms she has of Jaime...that he doesn't think before he acts, although his arc shows he's doing so now in books and on show.
the heaviest irony here is that cersei, for all her oxymoronic feminazi misogyny, ends up destroying herself by being too "emotional", being a bitch, and being slave to her womanliness. i bet GRRM gets a kick out of destroying both feminazis and misogynists with one fell cersei-swoop.
Fakjbf I disagree, Tywin is as much of a fool as Cersei, if not more. Look at his ruined legacy, his inheritors, the house he left, the way he died and why. He was pathetic, stupid in different ways perhaps but as stupid to be sure. Look at where his plans and plotting brought him. His cruelty was just as pointless. She has fully learned his lessons.
17:11 "Ironically it isn't Maggy's prophecy, so much as Cersei's _fear_ of the prophecy". As Varys would say : "Prophecies are fulfilled when men believe in them, no more no less. They're tricks. Shadows on the wall." All fulfilled prophecies are self-fulfilled prophecies, as we can already observe from the prophecies of ancient Greek drama and some historical accounts - where in the place of Maggy the Frog there was Pythia ("Πυθία"), the high priestess of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi. Interestingly the name "Pythia" itself betrays precisely the above function : "Πυθία" is an ancient Greek version of the modern Greek word "πειθώ" , which simply means "persuasion". Hence if the subjects of the various prophecies did not buy what Pythia said, and in particular did not fear and try to avoid the events of the negative prophecies, then they were safe from them. Of course almost everyone believed the pure BS the various Pythias sold them, because supposedly the prophecies (or, quite often, utter ramblings due to intoxication) were dictated by the god Apollo himself.. By the way, excellent analysis as always, with a very professional looking presentation.
Australian shamans used to be feared by the native people. Folk were so superstitious that when shaman cursed them to get ill and die they did exactly that. "The accounts made it clear that death did not occur as a result of suicide, but was a self-willed death caused by unconscious will. As a result of a malevolent spell or a curse, the individual felt a breakdown of communications or their good relationship with divine powers. In all cases, the person’s belief that they would shortly die was of crucial importance. This conviction was further intensified by the person’s friends and family, who were also convinced of the approaching death and avoided their company (in order to protect themselves from ‘ruination’). "
I wouldn't call what Robert felt love. He was infatuated with his mental construct of Lyanna that he created third hand via Ned's talk of her. Lyanna was understandably reluctant about the match, and I feel that if they'd married he'd have ended up much the same as he did in canon when he was forced to reckon with Lyanna as an actual person instead of the creepy one dimensional construct he'd created in his head.
That's still love. Robert truly loved Lyanna. That doesn't mean he would have been able to overcome his lecherous nature but he clearly meant it in his heart. He probably would have killed her when he got drunk honestly, ironically for giving him stag horns (cucking him) as payback for him doing it to her. But we can't know that, clearly Robert was transformed by the trauma of a "perfect" life torn away from him and becoming king is bad for most people's morality. Also Robert was quick to anger but quick to cool and a charismatic friendly guy. Lyanna was also clearly an amazing woman, so even if Robert wasn't sensitive enough for her he would have been one of the few men that would let her fight or hunt with him. Most likely.
@@CosmicFreedoms It isn't, though. Robert didn't know her, and thus couldn't have loved her. His love was of an image he'd constructed in his own head.
@@spadinnerxylaphone2622 I would tentatively agree, but Robert didn't even really know her. At best he was working off of a construct of her he based on a mix of what he's been told about her, and his fantasies. She isn't a person to him, she's a possession.
It's heartbreaking to watch with how much passion this video was composed, especially after knowing how Cersei did die - by the hands of two bricks (D&D)
I can't see her as a villain. Villains are usually the ones who want to bring bad things to others intentionally, while all Cersei wanted was to keep her bastard-born children safe
@@nikoloznasaridze6328 unabated hunger for undeserved power with no scrupulous on how you get it sounds pretty damn villainous to me... she wants power and it doesn't matter how many or who gets in the way, she will deal with them mercilessly.
Many people write that Cersei’s children are most important to her, but this is not true. Her desire for power is most important, and it leads to the death of all her childrenn.
soo true, if you really pay attention then you see that Cersei loves only herself, I think that only reason she doubts to kill Jaime is because he is her twin brother, she technically killed Tommen also , she is inhumane and cruel but she is not stupid character, she had to realize what it is going to do to Tommen when she kills Margaery, she has very big problem with nartcissism,, I actually really like the idea that if Maggy refers to more beautiful woman, she refers to inner beauty
I was always confused a little by the "and gold will be their shrouds" part. Because, does that for some reason mean they specifically would all die as varying ranges of children, before they grow to adults? cause I was just taking the words on their own, and I'm thinking, well if a shroud is put over you when you die, and they've all got blond hair... how is that different than "your children will eventually die", cause that kinda happens to every human being.
Please. Joffrey being a little shit is what led to his death. And if Cersei is to blame for Joffrey, Tywin is to blame for Cersei. Period. Myrcella was killed because Oberyn, a grown ass man who *volunteered* to fight a battle he lost, had a crazy lover who didn’t know how to let things go. The only child that died because of Cersei specifically is Tommen. Cersei haters love to try and twist the story to justify making her look worse than she actually is and it’s honestly pathetic
@@hawksasuke97 while I do understand Cerseis actions led to Tommons suicide, I don't entirely blame Cersei for it. Tommon betrayed her by outlawing *trial by combat* and suicide was his choice alone. His queen died and he didn't want to deal with the grief and so chose the easy way out. If *trial by combat* had been permitted, Cersei never would've resorted to wildfire.
Tommon I can agree on to a degree, but you need to do some serious mental gymnastics to convince me Cerseis lust for power caused the deaths of Joffery and Myrcella.
Cersie and Lyanna : -Both are hot tempered -Both are frustrated because they are discriminated against because they are women -Both hated the idea of marrying someone they didn't like -Both fell in love with the idea of a sad sexy prince who was weird af -Both wish for power. Lyanna wished to be a warrior, Cersie a ruler. -Lyanna (and the realm) paid the price of her stupidity. Cersie (and the realm) will pay the price of her stupidity.
Hehe. Loras is waaay too beautiful to threaten Cersei. In seriousness I wonder if it ends up being Sansa. Cersei is the person responsible for having Sansa's wolf "Lady" executed. I re-read this chapter today and it is incredibly emotional, because of the pure callousness of Cersei (Sansa and Lady had nothing to do with the reason why Cersei has Lady executed). As a character Cercei's only satisfaction is to triumph over others (who hurt her son in this instance), no matter the means. Having Lady killed, was the beginning of the awakening of Sansa (symbolically killing the sleeping naive girl in order to become the awakened woman). Jon goes through this transition too. When this happens in a girls life moving into womanhood, there's usually a significant gargantuan ugly moment that awakens them from their blissful ignorant slumber into the awakened carnage of reality. The story of Bluebeard is an example of this awakening of a maiden to the horrors of reality. Sansa is married to Tyrion and literally has her own debt to pay for murdering Lady. But I suppose the logical progression for Sansa is to focus on removal of Littlefinger. That seems a like a boring conclusion. I'd much prefer a leftfield outcome we'd never expect =)
Ki33a2001 gaming, rumors that Loras was badly burned in the siege of Dragonstone reached Kings Landing in A Feast of Crows. Just secondhand information so readers don't actually know what happened. Edit: or was that mentioned in ADWD? I forget.
Grohlvana George has a HUGE world inside of his head. With political entanglement , bloodlines, conspiracy, history, war, grudges and promises, and magic. All intertwined and woven together in suggestive, misleading and foreshadowing ways. It’s nuts. I really do believe he has surpassed Tolkien in world building and that is absolutely nuts.
Tolkien managed to build his world while keeping a sense of simplicity that Martin doesn't have, wether thats a good or a bad thing is up to taste but I do think it's the reason Martin takes longer writing his books with each release.
Interesting note on the torture of the Blue Bard, it actually seems like Cersei feels a bit bad. Or that she can't stomach this sort of stuff. But also that her father is STILL a major influence on her choice to be so cruel: 'The razor flashed, the singer shrieked. On his chest a wet red eye wept blood. Cersei felt ill. Part of her wanted to close her eyes, to turn away, to make it stop. But she was the queen and this was treason. *Lord Tywin would not have turned away.'* (note:... i wrote this before the quote appeared on the screen...)
@@InvaderGIR98 yes there was Nazi oficial (I don't remember which one) that simply couldn't bear to see people get shot but he ordered countless deaths anyway and that is why he advocated for certain other methods that became infamous in WW2 because they weren't as "messy".
So, Cersei has Tywin's cruelty, Robert's hedonism, and Aerys II's pyromania. .... STRAP YOURSELVES IN, BOYS AND GIRLS! THE SEVEN KINGDOMS ARE IN FOR ONE WILD RIDE!!!!!!
@@dogsrsocule Nah- brace yourself, i`m gonna start shitstorm now- she is basically every femminists and trans- activist out there :) She wants to swing a sword and rule butbutbut... PATRIARCHY!!!
Tbh I don't think I've hated a fictional character more than Cersei. Her death was so underwhelming in the show, I wish we got your version but lazy writing is lazy
And Jaime is standing in the *sea*, and what's next? The entire region is called "the Neck", so it's more true than false, and the closest landmass to Jaime over there is bloody *Pentos*. Sometimes it's just better to accept things as they are presented.
GCNavigator HA! Said the guy who’s own decisions led to screwing up his children in the head and getting himself killed on the toilet. Should’ve taken his own advice before lecturing others. Tywin tells Cersei to trust “[themselves] alone” and let’s her see the bodies of dead children hanging above the gates of Casterly Rock when she was nothing but a child herself, teaching her that paranoia and excessive cruelty are ok. But OOOH, when she turns to be excessively cruel and paranoid AF, Tywin has the nerve to be all “oH ma GAwd, whY ArE yoU LIkE thIs???” Hypocritical fuck and no right to be giving other people criticism. Literally the only difference between Jaime and Cersei is that Jaime got lucky enough to find someone that could change him where Cersei did not. Otherwise, Jaime would’ve continued to be just as messed up as Cersei, if not more (considering even she scolded the old Jaime for pushing a child out a window)
God why do I seriously feel like Cersei is actually going to end up being the endgame and real threat towards the end of season 8. The season 8 trailer - *Our enemy doesn't tire, doesn't stop, doesn't feel...* And then instead of showing the Night's King, they showed Cersei. That says it all. I think they might end up trying to make peace with the Walkers or something.
I LOVE the theory of Brienne being the 'more beautiful one' who would take everything away from Cercei, which I was not familiar with before now. Even ignoring the idea of inner beauty (which I certainly will not!), we have already seen hints in the book that Cercei's own beauty is diminishing quickly, partly due to her new fondness for drinking and partly due to aging. I also suspect that as she grows more and more like the Mad King, giving in to paranoia and rage, she too will grow more ragged and unsightly over time. Throw in some mishaps with wildfire, and it may get bad enough that Brienne might actually start looking attractive by comparison.
What an incredible idea, there are so many correlations between her and Aerys already, and her beauty giving way to the same unkempt nails and fried hair would be sprinkles on top
"I don't respect you not because you're a woman, but because you're not nearly as clever as you think you are." - Tywin to Cercei For her supposed complexities, she's still a very shallow and self-centered character with too many flaws to make her redeemable. Hell, even GRRM said that Cercei's only redeemable trait is that she is a caring mother. For a good amount of the series her goal was to build her children up, but after they die she loses that purpose and the only thing she sought was power and power alone. And worst of all, in these pursuits of power her ego lets her way overstep on her power grabs that will only mean her ruin by the end of it all. She makes it no secret she does not respect anyone, and that open disdain for most people only has people respond in kind. All her moves are for her ego, and if a move she makes means more perceived power she will take it without ever considering the consequences. Tywin, while egocentric, made sure that every move he made was heavily calculated. He always positioned himself to be on the winning side and the respect of his followers was paramount to maintaining power. He clawed and obtained the absolute power that Cercei pines for, but recognized the need for subtlety like you addressed in the video. Playing the Game of Thrones isn't just about subjugating those beneath you and climbing to the top, it's a complex series of stepping stones, some forcing you to move two steps back before you can make 3 steps forward, and Tywin recognized this. Cercei however lets her frustrations and fears get the better of her and will be the vehicle of her own self-fulfilling prophecy. For all that has wronged her in life, she has not been dealt the worst hand by any means but she's been playing her cards in all the wrong ways. As you said the more she fights the more she loses, and will inevitably be the one who puts the final nails in her own coffin as a result. She has driven everyone away like the mad king and will ironically have the Kingslayer once again live up to his name by killing the person he once swore to protect
Your comment is definitely well written, underrated and definitely deserves more appreciation. What a disappointing end. When all our anticipation was leaning to the poetic end where the prophecy would come true, with her loved one killing her. And that last bit on your comment was just on point. Jaime would once again go back to his title as the kingslayer. Makes me wonder how GRRM planned and actually wrote the end for GoT
@@NeverExistedShadow13 I feel like since the story was so well structured and well written that people like myself began to accurately predict where the series was heading, so D&D flipped the script and pulled something out of their ass for that juicy "subversion of our expectations" Either that or this was how it was originally planned out, but since D&D didn't have any more books to go off of and wanted to be done with GoT so they could work on Star Wars that it ended up being terribly fleshed out. I really wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be either, I appreciate your comment though
Totally disagree. Both are fucked up selfish individuals but in very different ways. Cersei has never wanted to be Jaime, she's only wanted what he was given. Power, respect, freedom.
The moment Jaime started to question her motives and actions she cast him away as useless to her. I believe she even used those words. Only when she's in prison does she freak out and realize she needs him. At this point he's busy putting the Riverlands back together and he just tears up her letter. Cersei only wants to see herself in Jaime. He stopped being HER reflection and she rejected him.
When Jaime returns to KL, Cersei had just lost her son, who was murdered. She felt utterly vulnerable to her enemies. She wanted Jaime to be what he has always been, her sword. To fight with her against those threatening their family. But what was Jaime doing? Going on and on about them getting married and revealing their incest to everyone. It was absurd and her anger towards him was an impatient reaction to that. She didn't understand that Jaime was going through an identity crisis at the time. Because yes he lost a hand but he was still her Jaime. She didn't see him differently. But he did. They were two people in need, neither in a position to give. This is why they fell apart.
He is her only true friend and has been there from the beginning. When your sibling is your best friend it hurts just thinking what life would be like without them because they have always been there, they have shared your life experiences more closely than anyone else and as such they understand you better than anyone else.
cersei's chapters are always so entertaining.. can't wait for the ones to come. Lena Headey was an excellent casting choice somehow makes the crazy so attractive & exciting on screen
All she had to do was not sleep with her brother. And if she can't resist the kingslayer, she should have killed herself. That way the Prophecy becomes null. She should have also asked, "what can I do to save my children?" not "Will I be Quee?
Holy crap! That was definitely a deeper look into this character. Some of those I would have never put together like her becoming more like Robert. Thank you Alt Shift X!!
Cersei is a terrible character. I don't respect a mother who lost 3 children to power and still didn't learn her lessons. I thought she learnt when she told Magery that Tomen would need her. Instead she flipped and got her inprisoned and later killed her. Cersei is a terrible character with poor judgement who think her stupidity is wisdom.
Goddy Win I've never understood why people would hate characters because of their personal judgement of their actions... I hate characters that are terribly written or inconsistent. I love characters that tell interesting stories and are human with problems and weaknesses. Cersei is, in that regard, a phenomenal character!
Cersei is a terrorist who killed her children with power, poor judgement and selfishness. I don't Identify with her, I don't like what she represents and I certainly don't understand her purpose in life. If her purpose is to protect her children, she failed. If her purpose is to protect the relm,, she fails. If her purpose is to declare herself queen and bark orders from a throne that doesn't belong to her, then she has succeeded. Once on top, there is only one way to go. The caracter might make for TV entertainment but I don't like her. To be honest when I rewatch GOT I skip everything Cersei. Her phylosophy is flawed, her choices are terrible and her decisions are yuk. The only good thing about Cersei is that a great actress is playing that role.
In the show Jamie is going north to help jon snow....what I think is that Jamie will die fighting the white walkers....then arya will use Jamie's face and come to kings landing and kill cersei as she is in her list of names. Cersei will think Jamie is killing her when in reality it will be arya..also arya will be accompanied by the hound who will take his revenge from the mountain.
would be a good story line but sadly wont happen, jaime will get captured and sent back to kings landing and will somehow kill her then, has for the arya she will be badly injured in a fight with the mountain but gets saved by the hound who dispatches his brother, so arya will be too injured to do anything else after that before the season ends
I suffered from dyslexia for my entire life, and I found that listening to the audiobook book, and reading along at the same time has helped me immensely to understand the stories, but it’s channels like yours that you complete breakdowns and bloodlines and storylines that I really truly grateful. Grateful and appreciate immensely. Keep up the great work..
Nobody gets to be with the person they want to be with in this series. Robert didn’t get to be with Lyanna, Lyanna likely didn’t want to be with him. Nedd had to marry Catelyn when his brother died, neither of them wanted to be with one another. Littlefinger wanted to marry Cat, but he was beneath her, now he has a title... but she’s dead. Her identical looking daughter wants nothing to do with him. She wanted to marry the prince, but that didn’t work out. She had to marry Tyrion, who wanted to marry another woman, who his father wouldn’t allow. Bolton only married her to solidify his right over Winterfell. Cersei can’t be with Jaime, Jaime can’t be with her. Now that she’s queen, and can do what she wants, Jaime seems to recognize her insanity and selfishness, and probably wouldn’t be with her if he could. Danny cannot he with either Jorah or Dario, the man she wanted to be with died of septic. She cannot be with Jon so long as he refuses to bend the knee, Jon isn’t interested in her so long as the White Walkers pose a threat. This list could go on, and on, and on.
Alt Shift X: Makes a 25 minutes video about how Cercei´s story might end, giving multiple possibilities based off foreshadowings and prophecies D&D: How about some rocks?
I always said that the three Lannister kids each individually inherited one of tywins best qualities, but those qualities alone were never enough. Cersei has his brutality, Tyrion his intellect, and Jaime his physical gifts. Lacking either of the other two causes the quality to mean nothing
And it makes me think of how ironic that if Tywin had raised them right, he could've molded them into a powerhouse team, forged them into a united front for the Lannisters where they use their strengths together, even if they didn't love each other (I can't imagine Cersei caring about Tyrion even they had happier childhoods) they might've been able to work together. Instead he was (understandably) caught up with politics, and (less understandably) abusive to at least one of them with such prejudice which inevitably enabled their family dysfunction.
Probably the most fleshed out character in the books and I love her back story. She's one of the most entertaining characters to watch whether you love or hate her.
@@Zenene-ok5el She's basically the evil bitch queen in books. No sympathy or edge to her. Her chapters in Feast demonstrate her insanity and her pathetic self well enough. And the way she thinks of her children is horrid too. Joffrey was a horrible sadist and somehow that makes him her favourite (as opposed to the show in which she felt sad at his nature) and she laments how Tommen is a decent,good kid and not like Joffrey.
I wanted Cersei to become the mad queen. I understand Daenerys showed it all the time but was almost to easy. I imagined her starting to burn the town but then snap out of it, realizing she was nothing more then Cersei. Cersei even thought her own children betrayed her by leaving her (dying) & that was one of the big differences between her & Dani. They mirror eachother in many ways but Dani loves her children, even in death. So by having Dani snap out of it, could have been the last straw for Cersei so she just starts burning it down herself in a If I cant have the throne no one will & Dani tries to save the people instead & whomever is the valonqar kills Cersei & ends it. We would have gotten a mad queen but without loosing two strong women. Would have been my ideal end :) Hoping thats is how its gonna play out in the book since we didnt get it in the series.
I just want to second trying the audiobooks for ASOIAF. Roy Dotrice's narrations remind me of being a child and having my dad tell me stories about him wrestling grizzly bears in Alaska (if my dad was an old British man, of course). Also equally as fictional, as it turns out.
the best possible ending for him would be him visiting jon and apologising for all bad that he has done. Jon will accept the apology and executing him after
I take issue with the statement that "Robert loved Lyanna". They go to great lengths in both versions of the story to show us that Robert loved an idea that he had that LOOKED like Lyanna. That is called "infatuation" not "love". Plus a good 45% of that supposed love came from the fact that marrying her would make his best friend his brother ("by-law"). The other 55% stemmed from the fact that she was pretty and had a wild spirit. Who she actually was underneath that didn't seem to factor in. Book-Ned is so frustrated by Robert's constant pining away for the perfect life he thinks he would've had with his fantasy version of Lyanna that at one point he blurts out "You didn't even know her." Show-Robert openly admits that he can't even remember what she looked like. Because what she looked like and who she actually was is not important. What she represented to him is all he knows of her.
Very well put, plus I would add Robert hated kingship, he liked rebellion and fighting but afterwards grew fat and bored- Lyanna represents that 'happy' rebellion period.
agree, but infatuation is the wrong word because by definition infatuation is short-lived. I would say Robert was obsessed with the idea of Lyanna, not the person who Lyanna was.
Coach Cro Does Robert seem emotionally dead to you? I'd say he's having a pretty damn good time in 50% of the scenes he's in. Sometimes he was angry or morose. But he obviously still had plenty of live emotions. But to answer your question, sure. It just depends on how much you've built it up in your own mind. Hell, you can wallow in self-pity for the rest of your life for any old random reason. People do it all the time. He fought a huge war and ended a dynasty, ostensibly for a chick who just wasn't all that into him. But the fantasy version of her in his mind was just as crazy about him as he was about her. That person never actually existed. Yes, this is an extreme case of infatuation fueled by insane circumstances. So if you want to argue semantics, there may be a more apt term to describe an infatuation that has been built up over years and years to such ludicrous proportions. "Obsession" maybe?
Hmm yes a married man with "three children" and what does he do? He only talks of Lyanna, he doesn't love his wife, he doesn't love "his" children and he's drunk most of the time. Does this sound like happiness to you?
As someone who have never watched the show, but knows how it ends, I love videos like yours that show not only logic with theories, but passion in what could happen in the story beyond what has been published. I only hope for the final two books to be released one day, because the SOIAF world is so fascinating
I'm not that sure. I'd put the probability for Tyrion lower (maybe 5-10%, at least for the books, I think it's not interesting story-wise) and increase that for "someone else" to 15-20% Valyrian doesn't have genders. Thus, the valonqar could also be a little sister. Moreover, it doesn't say YOUR valonqar, just THE valonqar 13:29. So, it could be any little sister or brother. Some people think it's going to be Arya, Cersei is on her death list. Interestingly, there's precedence for the potential male misinterpretation of a gender-neutral prophecy. Before his death, maester Aemon convinces himself that Daenerys is the prince that was promised, because the prince was gender-neutral in the valyrian prophecy, so it could also be a princess that was promised and according to Aemon all the other signs fit as well. My bets are still on Jaime, though. It would be beautiful, dramatic, a 180 degree turn for the Jaime from earlier while at the same time being a repetition of history (mad king Aerys) and a conclusion to Jaime's redemption arc.
I hate her totally, I want to see her burn for a long time :D, she is soo inhumane and cruel and she is very narcissistic , you can see that now that she cares morea about power than her loved ones, it seems like she protected her children but actually maybe she tryied but technically she killed Tommen, Cersei is like night king only that she is a woman :D
If this happens (in the books) and if we remember the theory of Jaime and Cersei being the Mad King's bastards, Jaime would be a kinslaying Kingslayer!
I wonder what would have happened to her if Robert had been good and loving to her? Would she still have had children with Jamie? Part of me feels sorry for her. Not for the woman she turned into but for the girl who wanted to be seen and respected like her father.
I really loved your psychological evaluation of Cercie s life. She had so much pain and loss It would be a fitting end for her to die at the hands of her beloved Jamie as the wild fire bust around them
I just don’t want Arya to “close green eyes forever” as in I don’t want her to be the one who kills Cersei. Arya has had too many badass kills that it takes away from the story of ice and fire.
Cheeky Rose I know! if she does what’s the point of anything else in the series? Arya would literally wrap the whole show up by herself which would be pointless and lame
Arya will die episode 5, killed by Jaime trying to protect Cercei, then Jaime kills Cercei and Jon kills Dany leaving Brienne and jaime to rule the 7 kingdoms
I agree. I like Arya. But if she gets to kill Cersei too it makes a lot of other characters and storylines feel redundant. Maybe Arya will die in a shock turn
When you think about it the prophecy is actually harmless, especially in the show. "You will marry the king" quiet harmless already. "A younger, more beautiful queen will cast you down." Unless she planning on dying early or marrying her son Cersie will be cast down by another Queen since her son, the king, will need to marry. "You will have 3 childeren... gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds" you will have 3 childeren with golden hair(I think thats what it means or maybe 'gold crowns' means her childerens power will come from Lannister gold) and they will die. Like no shit, everyone dies. It doesn't even say that they will die young. Valenquar is the only part of the prophecy thats directly ominous and even that doesn't mean Cersies younger brother just a younger brother. If Cersie wasn’t such a bad person maybe she could have lived a long happy life and would be killed crying tears off happines at an event or smthing when a younger borther just assassinate her when she is in her late 90s because someone lost a bet to her or smthing. That would fulfill the prophecy compeletely when her childerens eventually died as well.
I can confirm that the Audible plug is not just BS, it is really good. I used Audible to listen to all the books when I had a 2.5hr each way commute to work for my summer internship.
Dāvids Gills haha, Im not an ad, though I do have a masters in Physics, so I suppose I am smart. I just wanted people to know that the recordings on Audible (at least for ASOIAF) are pretty good. I get nothing out of it, just passing info along.
Skwisgar2322 I have 5 chapters to go on A Game of Thrones thanks to Audible, It enables me to listen whilst at work and gave me the motivation to read at whilst at home.
OK so legit Dani put her down(stairs) to die under the crumbling city.. OK I like that bit. What I thought she deserved was watching Jamie die of his wounds and then standing there for a bit alone. 100% alone in the world with nobody to love her before the ceiling collapsing. Maybe she mutters for forgiveness as its happening. THAT would have been OK with me. She needed to suffer more. In front of me.
I think they should have kept the pet were she has a miscarriage. I think Jamie should have never gone to Kings landing but have home send a raven telling Cersei that she is evil and he has moved on. Then she is left alone, when kings landing is burning, maybe Arya confronts her and torcher her before killing her.
I don't think it will be Brienne, not because of the "beautiful" part of the prophecy, but because she isn't a Queen. Another possibility would be Sansa, who might become a Queen and might be arguably more beautiful than Cersei.
Man, I've been saying this for years! It's OBVIOUS it will be Sansa. She is commonly declared to be very beautiful and she will _absolutely_ be Queen of the North sooner or later. It's poetic since Cersei has been trying to kill Sansa for years and it will be Sansa who kills Cersei. Perhaps while thanking her for all she has taught her. :P I believe Sansa will have Sandor as her 'protector' and perhaps even Jamie will be with her when she comes to take King's Landing so there's a valanquor or two. Take your pick. Oh yes and I think Jon and Dany will be killed in the white walker battles to those wondering where they are in my 'theory'..
The prophecy doesn’t say another queen, it just says another younger and more beautiful, to cast you down. That’s the qualifier. Cersei made herself queen without claim. Could be anyone. I like the idea of Maggy giving her an FU.
@@AldoHam Can't be Arya. She's said she would never be a good lady and had to be something else. More likely Danaerys and Sansa is the darkhorse. She's in charge of Winterfell now.
She hears prophesies that she doesn't want to come true, then immediately fulfills one of them by killing her friend. First thing she does and she's already ensuring them. Imagine she instead just stays in her room with her friend all night and morning comes and her friend is alive. Then the witch is wrong and she can stop worrying about all the rest!
I almost wonder if her killing her friend worked as a powerful blood sacrifice, this somehow channeling magical energy making the prophecy "true". Or that the prophecy only becomes true because she believes it which she shows by killing her friend
@@niksutliffa sacrafice has magical power in this world of got they say, and the more pure the better. Her friend was a sweet little girl who was naive of the enemies she had 😢
It would be heartbreaking but I actually dont care soo much who will win the trone, I want only two things that dragons will be alive and that Cersei is not the one sitting in there :D, I actually qwant to see face off between Arya and Cersei
Alf Shift X I want to say thank you for making all the videos you have made. I know you probably get this comment allot, but please believe me when I say that your work is more appreciated then you know. It was a year ago that I got into GOT and I admit I was worried about getting into a series this complex. However before I read any of the books your videos made everything so easy to understand and its because of your work that I enjoy the series so much. It takes allot of time to make a masterpiece such as this, so thank you for making these videos to help people understand the world GRRM has created. Cheers. :)
Michael Karimian I know he's awesome isn't he?! I just finished watching seasons 1-7 so I am all caught up, but I still have a million questions! I love this channel and videos as they really have cleared A LOT up for me! I mean there are so many different ideas and explanations for things and although these are just ideas and opinions, they are pretty awesome!
It's bitterly ironic that, for all her complaints about the patriarchal society of the Seven Kingdoms, Cersei ends up one of the biggest misogynists in Westeros.
She's essentially the dark inversion of Daenerys; where as Dany embraces her womanhood and "mother of dragons" persona despite being ostensibly infertile, Cersei curses her female identity and projects this massive insecurity onto friends and foes alike.
Actually, she recently came to celebrate her womanhood/fertility (however very privately) with her 4th incestuous pregnancy by Jamie. A dark secret that only she and now Tyrion know as of S7.
@@simsdiver5201 I wouldn't consider that 'celebrating' her womanhood, I don't think it's very relevant to the point. Her other pregnancies by Jamie doesn't invalidate anything the video said about her cursing her womanhood.
You're thinking too hard. On TV, Cersei will die in some utterly banal, predictable way, because D&D's writing has ruined a great series. In the books, Cersei will never die, because GRRM will never, never, never, never, never, never, finish the f#$&ing thing.
@@thorbeorn4295 Well (sigh! _ cos I do regard myself as a GRRM fan) _ he reminds me of something C.S.Lewis (I think it was) said, that it is SO easy for us to keep telling ourselves we want something when we do not really want it (or no longer want it). I'm sure many of us know this feeling from having to meet deadlines or finish tasks. We know he doesn't have writer's block, because he can churn out huge books like "Fire And Blood" or "The World Of Ice And Fire" _ and doesn't appear to need much time to do so. Most of the rest of his time seems to be spent chuckling his way through big public interviews, if TH-cam is anything to go by. I don't claim to know anything about being an author, but I've seen people who do saying that, in writing as in many other fields, if you want to stop a person finishing a task, the easiest way is to get them to talk about it. GRRM often says that he originally started ASOIAF because, in his previous jobs writing film scripts, he felt so restricted by editors who imposed deadlines and wanted to set limits to the amounts of characters and settings, and that in ASOIAF he was hell-bent on creating as many characters and worlds as he damn well pleased. I think GRRM's frustrated readers are now realising that those editors may have had a point. In 1996, when he wrote Book 1, GRRM had 2 incentives to get the damn thing finished: (a)money, and (b)success. He doesn't need either of those things anymore. Now, the only reason he has to finish is _ just because he says he will. Unfortunately, that doesn't put any *pressure* on. Finally, in 1996, and probably later, GRRM was doing it for FUN _ he enjoyed it. In recent interviews, I've heard him use the word "fun" about "Fire And Blood" and "The World Of Ice And Fire" _ but NOT about ASOIAF. (I'm not saying he *definitely* hasn't said it, but I haven't heard it.)
I look forward to your videos almost as much as I look forward to a Game Of Thrones episode coming out. I really appreciate how thorough your videos are and your constructive opinions. Your narration and voice are wonderful, not to mention your spectacular delivery. Please dont stop making these videos; even after the show has ended. You deserve so much more recognition.
I'm no lover of Cersei, but the moral of the story is clear: force girls and women to live as powerless objects, and they may grow into monsters to assert the strength stolen from them.
If you recall -- when the Lannister twins were born, Cersei was born first... followed by Jaime, who was holding her foot. When Jaime's hand was cut off, it's almost like the link between he and Cersei was severed as well.
That’s VERY interesting! Great point!
Oh Interesting Observation!
holy sh!t
Wow!! This is def a possibility!
That is an amazing point!!!!!
Turns out that valonqar has been mistranslated to mean "little brother," when it actually meant "falling bricks."
That prophecy never happened in the show
@@JRF1004 yes it did
The Valonqar is never mentioned in the show scene unfortunately, but it also ends without Cersei leaving the tent, it's possible Cersei hears more.
@@JRF1004 sorry show pleb
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So now I’m a pleb because I pointed out your stupid mistake
Cersei from casterly rock gets killed by castley rocks. Perfectly foreshadowed
Cleverest pun! Well done
She's still alive thougj
@@TheRafark no.. she isnt...
@@EVA-UNIT-13 In the books, she's still alive.
Jason Todd
He’s talking about the show
The younger and more beautiful Queen: Bran
The Valonquar: rocks
😂😂😂
I mean, have you seen him?
Quite an apt description of young Bran there.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 he looks like a kid
@@alexanderchristopher6237 true when he was a young kid he was a pretty little boy. I remember thinking my god he was such pretty child! Then poor kid turned into creepy Bran.
@@Exorcist364xs "i don't want anymore "
Wow! Bran Stark is yunger and more beautiful.
lolz.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂!
Underrated af
Bran the Useless
What? Daenerys was the one to destroy her, she indirectly killed her
Arya, wearing the face of Dwayne Johnson
A casterly rock
Lmaooo
If ya smellllllll what a girl is cooking
@@kyrieeleison9149 underrated reply
Omfg, my coworker and I made this joke a couple of days ago and could not stop laughing. So glad someone else made this joke!
Alt Shift X: *25 minute video on all the theories and ways cersei could die
Cersei: *dies in a way literally any other character could, with no narrative purpose*
There was definitely a narrative purpose.
@@barelycertain Which was? All I can see is her dying under the Red Keep with Jaime, but in my personal view, it's actually a betrayal of Jaime's entire arc, and not as relevant to Cersei's arc. This season, Cersei has been a glorified extra and whilst Lena Headey has demonstrated her exceptional acting ability, she's basically in it for less than 10 minutes and so her death has very little impact, outside of she's no longer the Queen.
You must kind of forget about Arya, bricks all over her several times like Cersei, yet not-todayed.
@@jnfunvufb Deus ex arya only exists to further the plot
Weeeelllll getting crushed by the Red Keep is an apt metaphor, but it just doesn't match up with any of the foreshadowing or established symbolism. They could have simply wrote Jamie strangling her. Have him not randomly turn on Brienne. George literally set them up for a really easy ending that would be sufficiently satisfying. Maybe it would be a bit "too obvious" but they certainly weren't capable of writing anything better.
I know I'm late but maybe cersei is so critical of other women's appearance because it also serves as a way to comfort herself that the younger, more beautiful queen that is destined to overthrow her hasn't appeared yet. That way her rejecting other women as unattractive instead becomes her unwilling to give up power.
She has many borderline and Histrionics traits along with Machivellian ones ,she’s the type who sees herself as needing to be seen as most attractive,righteous while also being selfish and scheming.
ya, i noticed that so she really does remind me of the evil queen from snow white that way
@@garukong. and Sansa has a lot of Snow White parallels 👀👀
@@ginichilders9619More like Sansa The Beauty and Ser Sandor The Beast.
@@longwlenguyen4214 no, not really. Sandor is much closer to the Huntsman. He's a grown man breaking into a preteen girl's bedroom and threatens her life and even mocks her for her "Disney princess" view of the world. Sansa singing to him (under pressure) makes him unable to go through with hurting her, much like the Huntsman was unable to go through with killing Snow.
(Sorry not sorry, but I REALLY hate the Sansa/Sandor ship for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that it treats Sansa like she has to take up the burden of being Sandor's glorified therapist. Even GRRM wasn't a fan of how Sandor has more fangirls than sweet and kind Samwell Tarly.)
Turns out what ended up killing Cersei was bad writing
What are you talking about? Episode 3 & 4, yes, very bad writing. Episode 5, no sir. Now no matter what D&D would do, previously disappointed people will always keep complaining & find more reasons to justify their criticism. Think & speak, this episode literally or metaphorically fulfilled everything that was set up in the “series", not the books. If fan theories didn't come to life, it's not the show's fault. You can always go & read the books if you're not satisfied, because GOT, as a series, was never meant to satisfy anyone completely with their fantasies.
Yõu Dōn't Knòw Më it’s true. My fantasy was that the last season would be great. I was proved very wrong.
@@gerbliherbli6561 Tell that to GRR Martin, because it was supposed to be based on his work which was never completed within the expected time frame. For that reason, the show should've never even begun airing in the first place, but did you really want that? The vision board was never completed in due time unlike what Kevin Feige accomplished with Avengers story arc. It's either everyone's fault or nobody's.
@@ariadnegmusdaedaloximo708 episode 5 writing was bad because there has never been evidence of Dany's madness, she is not a psychopath. She did cruel things to the masters in Meereen but she had her reasoning behind that. She has never been cruel to the common folk and has always wanted to help people. She even locked up her two dragons because of the damage they've done. Hence, what happened in King's landing was really out of her character and that's bad writing
@@Andrei-sm3er If you know a spoiler about Bran, I can tell you why Dany went full Targaryen Mad King. It's also a direct result of the frustration she's been continuously going through from the time she set foot in Winterfell. At this point she is only interested in fulfilling her long time desire to restore her family name & become the queen of the seven kingdoms & beyond & will stop at no loose ends. A perfectly logical reason if you're a true fan who knows the series in & out. This episode is nowhere near bad compared 3 & 4 with so many plot holes.
"A female misogynist"
Rarely have I heard a more apt description for Cersei
Me neither. That line in the video was my Heureka moment of the month.
John benko jr I wish feminism and misogyny could be discussed as a legitimate literary criticism without Tumblr or sjws being mentioned
Crick1952 he could've left the "Female" part off. It's just Misogynist. It isn't gender specific
Female misogynist sounds far better because it shows how much self-hate she contains.
Imbra Kim I see your point, but it "sounds better doesn't prove the fact. Since we are already discussing a female character, just plain ole' misogynist hammers home the "self-hate" point. I guess it all subjective really.
Almost all blondes hair goes darker when they age, when kids are late teens their hair ceaaes to be gold-blonde and becomes a darker blonde. "Gold will be their shrouds" infers that her kids will die young, in my opinion.
this is a really interesting interpretation!! love it!!!
That's cool as hell. Good idea.
ayo.... that is so cool!
Man, Fans of the series think of better ideas than Dumb and Dumber ever in their meaningless lives ever will.
but the Lannisters in the books are always said to have blonde hair, childs teens or adults, in the asoiaf universe their hair (at least the main members of the family) is blonde, Tywin being prime example since he is aged, and blonde...
If she listened to Eddard and ran with her children they would have all lived but she wanted everything. I think the love of her children is exaggerated in her own mind. She really cares about herself above all else.
she loves her children as an extension of herself.
She didn’t care for Tommen even after Joffrey died. She treated him like Robert treated her
only in the show does she give two fucks about tommen and myrcella
She had no idea that Stannis and Renly were going to rebel at that point in time, she was in a strong position in the capital, while five of seven kingdoms were ostensibly backing the throne, there was no real reason to give up her son's throne to a usurper with far less men then her family has in her mind.
@@corneliali7747 Thats a really good way to put it
10:30 - On Cersei being with Rhaegar, ironically, if that had been approved by King Aerys her marriage to the king _still_ would have been plagued by her husband's love for Lyanna. Perhaps Lyanna was the younger and more beautiful queen all along, regardless of what had happened.
Cersei isn't younger than Lyanna?
"younger and more beautiful" is referring to dany
you really compares lyanna to cersei in terme of beauty.. cersei who was described one of the most beautiful womens in all westeros .
Maester Yandel compares Lyanna to Elia, stating the she-wolf was "a wild and boyish young thing with none of the Princess Elia's delicate beauty".
this is how lyanna looks alike in the books
even elia who was described by cersei "a feeble Dornish princess with black eyes and a flat chest " is way more beautiful than lyanna ever was.
@@chaimae3652 Yeah, not only is beauty subjective but ppl kinda always flattered noblewomen in song and poetry. Queen Elizabeth had poems written about her beauty well into her 50s. Lyanna was beautiful to Rhaegar because he loved her
@@walruslatte6080 I doubt Rhaegar really loved anyone ..everything he had done was for the prophecy !
Atleast in the books , he returned after a year of dissapearence with lyanna didn't leave one single maester to help her in childbirth and that's why probably she died beside her young age ,but he bother himself to put 3 out 7 of the best kingsguards and leave ordres to kill everyone who came for lyanna even her family ..he didn't condemn his father's actions the man who murdered his lover's brother and father .. he lead the mad king's army to the trident to kill lyanna's last surviving brother Ned !
I’m from the future, can confirm, it ended terrible.
wasn't even satisfying
That rubble showed her.
@@fpsdovah2572 this comment right here lol!!!
please explain how it wasn’t good. it was a perfect character closing. it may not be insanely exciting but it is right
Please, tell me, Burrows the frog.
Does that 'terrible' mean for Cersei? or for viewers?
I have this weird feeling that whatever happens, everything she's worked for will come crumbling down around her.
Ryan 🤣🤣🤣
It crumbled down indeed.
crumble on her
I literally just came here for the puns. This is by far my favorite one.
Nice
Just reread feast of crows. Another Cersie Robert similarity is, Cersie starts to gain weight like Robert did. In one of her chapters she says that her hand maids had ruined several of her favorite clothing and that they had shrunk, she punishes the handmaids for being careless. By itself not much, but the next chapter on her way to the sept for the first time to meet the high sparrow she complains about how her gown doesn’t fit anymore, and she hadn’t worn this gown in a while and can’t blame someone for it’s tightness
Would also wonder about alcoholism as well, especially with the death of her kids and also her being a little unstable to begin with
It’s the heavy drink
Alcoholic beverages actually have so much calories it's ridiculous
@Bla Bla yes she was also drunk enough to lick said woman's tits 🤣
GET CERSEI HER BREASTPLATE STRETCHER! NOW!
I love Cersei chapters. It's so cleverly written. You hear her train of thought and understand how stupid she behaves.
This really came clear to me after Bronn fucking took over that hold after the idiot she sent to kill him failed
I like her interactions with Kevan.
It's a continuous wtf hahahahahaha
LMAO sounds interesting!
The Cersei chapters were some of my favorite in the fourth book
Or maybe it will just be some rocks lol
Crushed....
@@kashual Like the fans' expectations XD
The Valonqar turned out to be a pile of rubble
Those bricks would be named Queenslayers for hence forth
#subverted
Cersei's arc resembles that of Macbeth IMO
On an unrelated note, Bran ended up being the younger more beautiful Queen, the successor of Cersei
It just says cersei is queen until someone else casts her down (implied to be female). Daenerys indirectly killed her with the siege and she was queen up until she died so she checks out
Yas queen
And the little brother that kills here were rocks that if she had moved 6 feet over wouldn’t had killed her
Brans got that three eyed raven bussy 🤤
Macbeth?
The other part of her emulation of Tywin is that she seems to (in the books) only half listen to Tywin's lessons. Like the one about Robert wiping out the Iron Isles. Tywin literally tells Joffrey when he's being Joffrey that you need to both give fire and blood for defiance but then raise people up that bend the knee or else no one would ever bend to you. She just stops at the fire and blood part. It's like she just mimicks what she saw him do without clear understanding of the why. Show Tywin had it right about her: It's not just that she's a woman it's that she's not as smart as she thinks she is.
Very true. If you don't accept people's surrender, you're going to end up fighting a lot of desperately stubborn opponents in the future.
Cersei's idiocy is hilarious to read from her POV in the books though
Actually robert never wanted to whip out iron islands. He gave them mercy
Robert should have scoured the isles after Balon Greyjoy rose against him ... He smashed their fleet, burned their towns and broke their castles, but when he had them on their knees, he let them up again. He should have made another island of their skulls
''not as smart as she thinks she is'' Same thing could be said about Tywin, to be fair.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 mainly with regard to him being blind related to his children but yeah I feel like that's the point, his children are mirrors of his flaws; but regardless he and Olenna still played the "game of thrones" the best in their day lol.
The thing is, in the books, Cersei does not love her children the way she does in the show. In the books she loves them as though they were physical assets. To add to Olenna's claim about her possibly being the worst person she's ever met, there's a fucked-up passage in the books that when Joffrey was younger, he cut open a pregnant cat for kicks, and Robert smacked him so hard for that, but Cersei enables Joffrey's psychotic behavior.
I remember reading that. Robert smacked him so hard that he knocked out a few of his baby teeth.
@@natiliee.s.5476shouldnt have stopped. Nice heir.
Joffs Fucked but I recall him doing that to see the kittens, or something related to that. Seemingly even more fucked up,it wasn't for fun, joff just wanted to see the kittens now and thought that was the thing to do.
@Bla Bla he was too busy sneaking around making dozens more kids around kings landing haha
@Bla Bla they weren't his kids to begin with
we thought cersei was the most evil in GOT. turns out D&D is.
Maybe the real Cersie was the friends we made along the way
Humanity's greatest monsters
An old one, but GOT was known for killing off main characters, D&D outdid themselves by just killing the entire show instead.
@@JulioHernandez-wy8nh maybe the readers are the only friends she never knew she had. ( Neverending Story style )
Not fair comparison IMO because Cersei at least understands the Game of Thrones, which is more than can be said of D&D
Tywin told Cersei that he doesn't mistrust her because she's a woman, he mistrusts her because she isn't as smart as she thinks she is. Father knows his daughter well. Yes, Tywin is a horrible monster but even he only kills those who cross him or pose a threat, he isn't overly friendly or nice to anyone but unlike Cersei he doesn't just hate every single person. Jamie did say that Cersei likes no one but her children. Yara neither has dragons, nor did she have a father who loved her unconditionally, she endured her father and became who she wanted to. Cersei was afraid of her father, of Robert, of her son, everything she did, she did because she was a miserable human being. She didn't love her kids or even Jamie. Ofc, Jamie is responsible for the part that he played in that relationship but Cersei unknowingly or knowingly perhaps, had a relationship with Jamie, to slap Tywin Lannister metaphorically. She really wanted to be the one Tywin considered extremely talented, she knew that Tyrion wouldn't get anything but seduced Jamie and bound him by having kids with him. Jamie was the heir, by every right, he could have married a beautiful woman, he could have had kids of his own, could have had a good life. She made sure both her brothers seemed incapable in Tywin's eyes, she didn't have to do much in Tyrion's case. She never realized that Tywin was a miserable human himself, that he could not give her that validation that she desperately craved. One of the reasons why she was an overprotective mother yet wasn't a good mother at all. One of the reasons she hated the Starks so much, they had power but above everything they cared about family and people of the North. Why she hated Sansa so much, Ned got his head cut off because he believed in his 13 year old daughter so much yet her father doesn't even believe her even as a woman. She hated everyone.
Yeah, in other words: she's a vile b*tch
He only killed who crossed him? Are you fuc.king insane? Did you not hear how many babies, children and women he had killed? INNOCENT babies, children and women and men as well... So no he didn't only killed who crossed him or threatened him he killed thousands of innocent people as well
@@wioi you are fucking insane. He didn't kill thousands of innocents, his men did, Tywin Lannister didn't go around torturing and killing people for no reason. He even reached Harrenhall and saved people from being tortured and killed, you imbecile. And read the whole thing you dumb dodo, I've clearly mentioned that he was a monster but he wasn't as stupid as his daughter, they were both cruel but he didn't commit cruelty all day for no fucking reason. And learn to speak to people with some manners.
damn
In Bron's words: "She's a Cunt."
This video made me realize that Cersei isn't angry about abuse, but rather that SHE is abused. The concept of hurting others doesn't upset her. It's that she can't be the abuser. She is another embodiment in the ASOIAF universe of those who should not have power.
I feel like a lot of parallels can be drawn between that and the victim mentality/mindset that seem to be big among younger generations right now
@@IronFreakVi get your point but I don't think it's good to associate it with a whole generation
To be honest I think it's an unfortunate truth that it's as far as many people's emphaty go - just on top of my head I can think of plenty who play the victim for experiencing abuse while shrugging of when other unrelated people go through the same .
It's not about justice for all, it's about just for THEM and nobody else.
@@IronFreakV No Abdul is right.
11:00 - Robert didn't really love Lyanna. As Ned said, he didn't really know her. Robert was in love with the idea of Lyanna. It's also important to remember that Cersei could have had a fourth child but because it was Robert's she drank moon tea out of hatred for him and the desire to deny him any legitimate children.
In the show Cerci has a talk with Cat,after Brandon's fall,and she tells her that she list her and Roberts first child.She said it was a boy with dark hair. That scene was well played. I can't remember that conversation being in the books. It did have impact for me several times through the shows ,because of the killings of his bastard and other parts as well.If it's in the books then I think she tried to love Robwrt,even after he called out Lyannas name on their wedding night. She tried to make the most of it until some point. After which she drank the moon tea when she found she was pregnant with Roberts baby. Does anyone know if the first baby was book or only show?
elsie daniels That's only in the show.
Robert loved to fuck women, but he couldn't fucking love a woman!
@@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 well, Lyanna is not better herself, she ran off with a man who had wife and 2 children knowing that this would have some serious consequences
@@arthurdryden3696 Lyanna was 14 when she fell in love with the charming beautiful sad sensitive prince... who was 22. So yeah, I wouldn't blame that one on her.
I like the idea that the 'younger, more beautiful' queen prophecy could be a reference to a younger Cersei. It's her actions when she was younger (namely her reaction to the prophecy) which, as stated at the end of the video, has led to her own downfall.
probably cause she played GTA
Ryotbh
That would be a bit too subtle imo
That's not too subtle at all. That's right up GoT's alley. Pretty clever but completely understandable by the average viewer. I like it.
One often meets their destiny on the road they take to avoid it.
Great idea
Honestly, as soon as I realized that her “younger brother” would be the one to kill her I didn’t think of tyrion, my mind went to Jaime. there’s a very big possibility he could be the younger twin, probably by only like 5 minutes but that makes him the younger one nonetheless
Kinda weird how Cersei convinced herself it would be Tyrion when she had a brother/lover that is WAY closer to her and realistically have reasons to kill her under the right circumstances
The books mention Cersei was born first.
Yep, if I'm not mistaken "he came out holding her foot" so she came first and he came second.
Cersei convincing herself of one posible answer and never considering another one is very much her brand lmao.
She grows up blaming the death of their mother on Tyrion and then he goes to kill their father. So she always sees him as willing to destroy the family
A weird theory cross my mind, what if Valonqar could also be translated as "Little Sister"? It's very unlikely, but I can't stop imagine an scenario where Ayra murders Cersei in front of Jaime and he's blamed for it. Would be sooo funny.
23:47 Damn imagine if the people being paid millions of dollars to write the most successful television show in recent history were as creative or competent at writing compelling stories as some random youtuber making fan theory videos as a passion project.
Well he made some theories what GRRM had in mind, but it was GRRM who crafted this world and the plots beautiful. Alt-Shift-X is brilliant, but he didn't write those plots, it's George RR Martin who put those hints all in there. If anything, the showrunners either didn't give a shit about the source material - the prophecy is blatantly obvious and not subtle at all - or they're too stupid for even that. Since the first three seasons were great, I'll go with them not giving a shit.
@@flyingchimp5012 this channel is great at explaining and pointing out what GRRM is actually saying in his books. I enjoy his thoughts. I don’t believe he’s doing fan fiction either he’s just stating the obvious or just his ideas on what GRRM wrote and what he thinks it means. I really enjoy reading other people’s interpretations it’s pretty fascinating.
@@Exorcist364xs true
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Tywin was cruel but also smart, yes he did terrible things but they were a means to an end. Cersei does cruel things because she is cruel, she doesn't think things through and then wonders why they didn't go as planned.
Which ironically is one of the constant criticisms she has of Jaime...that he doesn't think before he acts, although his arc shows he's doing so now in books and on show.
Fakjbf too smart for his own good, as he couldn't see how abusing his son would come back and bite him in the ass, on the privy no less
+Fit Bull Aussie They are of the same blood and look the same but *are complete opposites in character*
the heaviest irony here is that cersei, for all her oxymoronic feminazi misogyny, ends up destroying herself by being too "emotional", being a bitch, and being slave to her womanliness. i bet GRRM gets a kick out of destroying both feminazis and misogynists with one fell cersei-swoop.
Fakjbf I disagree, Tywin is as much of a fool as Cersei, if not more. Look at his ruined legacy, his inheritors, the house he left, the way he died and why. He was pathetic, stupid in different ways perhaps but as stupid to be sure. Look at where his plans and plotting brought him. His cruelty was just as pointless. She has fully learned his lessons.
17:11 "Ironically it isn't Maggy's prophecy, so much as Cersei's _fear_ of the prophecy". As Varys would say : "Prophecies are fulfilled when men believe in them, no more no less. They're tricks. Shadows on the wall." All fulfilled prophecies are self-fulfilled prophecies, as we can already observe from the prophecies of ancient Greek drama and some historical accounts - where in the place of Maggy the Frog there was Pythia ("Πυθία"), the high priestess of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi.
Interestingly the name "Pythia" itself betrays precisely the above function : "Πυθία" is an ancient Greek version of the modern Greek word "πειθώ" , which simply means "persuasion". Hence if the subjects of the various prophecies did not buy what Pythia said, and in particular did not fear and try to avoid the events of the negative prophecies, then they were safe from them.
Of course almost everyone believed the pure BS the various Pythias sold them, because supposedly the prophecies (or, quite often, utter ramblings due to intoxication) were dictated by the god Apollo himself..
By the way, excellent analysis as always, with a very professional looking presentation.
"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it." -Oogway
Australian shamans used to be feared by the native people. Folk were so superstitious that when shaman cursed them to get ill and die they did exactly that. "The accounts made it clear that death did not occur as a result of suicide, but was a self-willed death caused by unconscious will. As a result of a malevolent spell or a curse, the individual felt a breakdown of communications or their good relationship with divine powers. In all cases, the person’s belief that they would shortly die was of crucial importance. This conviction was further intensified by the person’s friends and family, who were also convinced of the approaching death and avoided their company (in order to protect themselves from ‘ruination’). "
I wouldn't call what Robert felt love. He was infatuated with his mental construct of Lyanna that he created third hand via Ned's talk of her. Lyanna was understandably reluctant about the match, and I feel that if they'd married he'd have ended up much the same as he did in canon when he was forced to reckon with Lyanna as an actual person instead of the creepy one dimensional construct he'd created in his head.
That's still love. Robert truly loved Lyanna. That doesn't mean he would have been able to overcome his lecherous nature but he clearly meant it in his heart. He probably would have killed her when he got drunk honestly, ironically for giving him stag horns (cucking him) as payback for him doing it to her.
But we can't know that, clearly Robert was transformed by the trauma of a "perfect" life torn away from him and becoming king is bad for most people's morality. Also Robert was quick to anger but quick to cool and a charismatic friendly guy. Lyanna was also clearly an amazing woman, so even if Robert wasn't sensitive enough for her he would have been one of the few men that would let her fight or hunt with him. Most likely.
In a pseudo-medieval setting, creating a perfect two-demensional construct of your beloved is downright romantic.
@@CosmicFreedoms No it isn't. He never really knew her, she was just the vague caricature enabled by their situation. But he never knew her.
@@CosmicFreedoms It isn't, though. Robert didn't know her, and thus couldn't have loved her. His love was of an image he'd constructed in his own head.
@@spadinnerxylaphone2622 I would tentatively agree, but Robert didn't even really know her. At best he was working off of a construct of her he based on a mix of what he's been told about her, and his fantasies. She isn't a person to him, she's a possession.
It's heartbreaking to watch with how much passion this video was composed, especially after knowing how Cersei did die - by the hands of two bricks (D&D)
I wish her ending was different, I have my own 'redemption arc' for my personal ending.
@@collaborativelearning1 Cersei doesn't deserve a redemption arc, though.
who cares what d&d wrote? the next books will tell the real story. @@collaborativelearning1
You ever hear the prophecy about the badass queen, her brother/lover and the BRICKS that were determined to stop their love?
Rocks... Red keep isn't built from bricks.
@@sakhaswain cool
@@sakhaswain show even ignored that and made it bricks
@@sakhaswain how i never noticed that hahahahahaha nice
She's one of the best villains in TV history, honestly, I'm crushed by her death.
She was crushed by it too. Lol 😂.
I can't see her as a villain. Villains are usually the ones who want to bring bad things to others intentionally, while all Cersei wanted was to keep her bastard-born children safe
@@nikoloznasaridze6328 unabated hunger for undeserved power with no scrupulous on how you get it sounds pretty damn villainous to me... she wants power and it doesn't matter how many or who gets in the way, she will deal with them mercilessly.
Many people write that Cersei’s children are most important to her, but this is not true. Her desire for power is most important, and it leads to the death of all her childrenn.
soo true, if you really pay attention then you see that Cersei loves only herself, I think that only reason she doubts to kill Jaime is because he is her twin brother, she technically killed Tommen also , she is inhumane and cruel but she is not stupid character, she had to realize what it is going to do to Tommen when she kills Margaery, she has very big problem with nartcissism,, I actually really like the idea that if Maggy refers to more beautiful woman, she refers to inner beauty
I was always confused a little by the "and gold will be their shrouds" part. Because, does that for some reason mean they specifically would all die as varying ranges of children, before they grow to adults? cause I was just taking the words on their own, and I'm thinking, well if a shroud is put over you when you die, and they've all got blond hair... how is that different than "your children will eventually die", cause that kinda happens to every human being.
Please. Joffrey being a little shit is what led to his death. And if Cersei is to blame for Joffrey, Tywin is to blame for Cersei. Period. Myrcella was killed because Oberyn, a grown ass man who *volunteered* to fight a battle he lost, had a crazy lover who didn’t know how to let things go. The only child that died because of Cersei specifically is Tommen. Cersei haters love to try and twist the story to justify making her look worse than she actually is and it’s honestly pathetic
@@hawksasuke97 while I do understand Cerseis actions led to Tommons suicide, I don't entirely blame Cersei for it. Tommon betrayed her by outlawing *trial by combat* and suicide was his choice alone. His queen died and he didn't want to deal with the grief and so chose the easy way out.
If *trial by combat* had been permitted, Cersei never would've resorted to wildfire.
Tommon I can agree on to a degree, but you need to do some serious mental gymnastics to convince me Cerseis lust for power caused the deaths of Joffery and Myrcella.
Cersie and Lyanna :
-Both are hot tempered
-Both are frustrated because they are discriminated against because they are women
-Both hated the idea of marrying someone they didn't like
-Both fell in love with the idea of a sad sexy prince who was weird af
-Both wish for power. Lyanna wished to be a warrior, Cersie a ruler.
-Lyanna (and the realm) paid the price of her stupidity. Cersie (and the realm) will pay the price of her stupidity.
OMG the foreshadowing of standing on the Neck and Jamie by the Fingers blew my mind away. You're awesome Alt Shift X!!!
I agree !!!
"Blew my mind away." Okay, you can stop talking now.
Jonny Loker, you okay?
Probably has more to do with what looks good for the high angle shot, but the rest is very plausable/thematic.
As if D&D would be able to create such a hint... XD
16:12 You fucked up, Alt Shift X. Everyone knows the younger and more beautiful queen will be Loras. As soon as those burn scars heal anyway.
lol
Hehe. Loras is waaay too beautiful to threaten Cersei.
In seriousness I wonder if it ends up being Sansa.
Cersei is the person responsible for having Sansa's wolf "Lady" executed. I re-read this chapter today and it is incredibly emotional, because of the pure callousness of Cersei (Sansa and Lady had nothing to do with the reason why Cersei has Lady executed). As a character Cercei's only satisfaction is to triumph over others (who hurt her son in this instance), no matter the means.
Having Lady killed, was the beginning of the awakening of Sansa (symbolically killing the sleeping naive girl in order to become the awakened woman). Jon goes through this transition too. When this happens in a girls life moving into womanhood, there's usually a significant gargantuan ugly moment that awakens them from their blissful ignorant slumber into the awakened carnage of reality. The story of Bluebeard is an example of this awakening of a maiden to the horrors of reality.
Sansa is married to Tyrion and literally has her own debt to pay for murdering Lady. But I suppose the logical progression for Sansa is to focus on removal of Littlefinger. That seems a like a boring conclusion. I'd much prefer a leftfield outcome we'd never expect =)
*reads book* What scars? xD
Ki33a2001 gaming, rumors that Loras was badly burned in the siege of Dragonstone reached Kings Landing in A Feast of Crows. Just secondhand information so readers don't actually know what happened. Edit: or was that mentioned in ADWD? I forget.
oh no.
The Neck and The Fingers... holy shit man. The minutiae of this series is amazing.
Grohlvana i like ur channel ans this guys and we share the same mututal channel and it feels like incest
Wow ~ Didn't expect you to be here ~
Grohlvana George has a HUGE world inside of his head. With political entanglement , bloodlines, conspiracy, history, war, grudges and promises, and magic. All intertwined and woven together in suggestive, misleading and foreshadowing ways. It’s nuts. I really do believe he has surpassed Tolkien in world building and that is absolutely nuts.
the difference is, Tolkien actually finished his series
Tolkien managed to build his world while keeping a sense of simplicity that Martin doesn't have, wether thats a good or a bad thing is up to taste but I do think it's the reason Martin takes longer writing his books with each release.
Interesting note on the torture of the Blue Bard, it actually seems like Cersei feels a bit bad. Or that she can't stomach this sort of stuff. But also that her father is STILL a major influence on her choice to be so cruel:
'The razor flashed, the singer shrieked. On his chest a wet red eye wept blood. Cersei felt ill. Part of her wanted to close her eyes, to turn away, to make it stop. But she was the queen and this was treason. *Lord Tywin would not have turned away.'*
(note:... i wrote this before the quote appeared on the screen...)
She also hated blue bard because he looked like Robert a bit
I don't think she felt bad, someone can be squeamish and still lack empathy
@@InvaderGIR98 yes there was Nazi oficial (I don't remember which one) that simply couldn't bear to see people get shot but he ordered countless deaths anyway and that is why he advocated for certain other methods that became infamous in WW2 because they weren't as "messy".
So, Cersei has Tywin's cruelty, Robert's hedonism, and Aerys II's pyromania.
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STRAP YOURSELVES IN, BOYS AND GIRLS! THE SEVEN KINGDOMS ARE IN FOR ONE WILD RIDE!!!!!!
She’s basically a cocktail of the worst king traits in Westeros history
@@dogsrsocule Nah- brace yourself, i`m gonna start shitstorm now- she is basically every femminists and trans- activist out there :) She wants to swing a sword and rule butbutbut... PATRIARCHY!!!
Alex2000 But less intelligent than either of them
Heretyk_13 Does this joke not make sense or is it just me
@@RomanZolanski123 Depends, if you are willing to drak pararells with our current climate or not
Alt Shift X: I have a really great theory!
Some rocks: I’m about to end this whole mans career
I've never realized the westeros' map detail about the neck and the fingers! I really like your videos. Keep up with the excellent work.
Tbh I don't think I've hated a fictional character more than Cersei. Her death was so underwhelming in the show, I wish we got your version but lazy writing is lazy
"Maggie in the show looks like a sexy Halloween witch".... LMAO. Loved that line 18:30
The part about the map with The Neck and The Fingers, holy shit.
It's wrong if you see closely she is not even standing in the neck but she is standing south of the twins.
And Jaime is standing in the *sea*, and what's next? The entire region is called "the Neck", so it's more true than false, and the closest landmass to Jaime over there is bloody *Pentos*. Sometimes it's just better to accept things as they are presented.
What minute was this?
@@shauryasegan5177 What minute was this?
@@viytalic9049 23:49
Tywin knew Cersei best, and he revealed his summation of her when he said, "You're not as smart as you think you are. "
GCNavigator HA! Said the guy who’s own decisions led to screwing up his children in the head and getting himself killed on the toilet. Should’ve taken his own advice before lecturing others. Tywin tells Cersei to trust “[themselves] alone” and let’s her see the bodies of dead children hanging above the gates of Casterly Rock when she was nothing but a child herself, teaching her that paranoia and excessive cruelty are ok. But OOOH, when she turns to be excessively cruel and paranoid AF, Tywin has the nerve to be all “oH ma GAwd, whY ArE yoU LIkE thIs???” Hypocritical fuck and no right to be giving other people criticism. Literally the only difference between Jaime and Cersei is that Jaime got lucky enough to find someone that could change him where Cersei did not. Otherwise, Jaime would’ve continued to be just as messed up as Cersei, if not more (considering even she scolded the old Jaime for pushing a child out a window)
That quote is so annoying, lol.
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@ Indeed. In fact I'm sure many would say Tyrion developed even more intelligence than his father, though Tywin would never admit as much.
God why do I seriously feel like Cersei is actually going to end up being the endgame and real threat towards the end of season 8. The season 8 trailer - *Our enemy doesn't tire, doesn't stop, doesn't feel...* And then instead of showing the Night's King, they showed Cersei. That says it all. I think they might end up trying to make peace with the Walkers or something.
I LOVE the theory of Brienne being the 'more beautiful one' who would take everything away from Cercei, which I was not familiar with before now. Even ignoring the idea of inner beauty (which I certainly will not!), we have already seen hints in the book that Cercei's own beauty is diminishing quickly, partly due to her new fondness for drinking and partly due to aging. I also suspect that as she grows more and more like the Mad King, giving in to paranoia and rage, she too will grow more ragged and unsightly over time. Throw in some mishaps with wildfire, and it may get bad enough that Brienne might actually start looking attractive by comparison.
What an incredible idea, there are so many correlations between her and Aerys already, and her beauty giving way to the same unkempt nails and fried hair would be sprinkles on top
Seven hells! Start the damn season before I piss myself!
funniest line of the first season. :)
8 more days
Robert Baratheon foreshadowing
thatguywhostacks more like: finish the next book already!
screw the season! write the bloody book!!!!
"I don't respect you not because you're a woman, but because you're not nearly as clever as you think you are." - Tywin to Cercei
For her supposed complexities, she's still a very shallow and self-centered character with too many flaws to make her redeemable. Hell, even GRRM said that Cercei's only redeemable trait is that she is a caring mother. For a good amount of the series her goal was to build her children up, but after they die she loses that purpose and the only thing she sought was power and power alone. And worst of all, in these pursuits of power her ego lets her way overstep on her power grabs that will only mean her ruin by the end of it all. She makes it no secret she does not respect anyone, and that open disdain for most people only has people respond in kind. All her moves are for her ego, and if a move she makes means more perceived power she will take it without ever considering the consequences.
Tywin, while egocentric, made sure that every move he made was heavily calculated. He always positioned himself to be on the winning side and the respect of his followers was paramount to maintaining power. He clawed and obtained the absolute power that Cercei pines for, but recognized the need for subtlety like you addressed in the video. Playing the Game of Thrones isn't just about subjugating those beneath you and climbing to the top, it's a complex series of stepping stones, some forcing you to move two steps back before you can make 3 steps forward, and Tywin recognized this. Cercei however lets her frustrations and fears get the better of her and will be the vehicle of her own self-fulfilling prophecy.
For all that has wronged her in life, she has not been dealt the worst hand by any means but she's been playing her cards in all the wrong ways. As you said the more she fights the more she loses, and will inevitably be the one who puts the final nails in her own coffin as a result. She has driven everyone away like the mad king and will ironically have the Kingslayer once again live up to his name by killing the person he once swore to protect
Or maybe some rocks will fall over her
@@charliecharles2571 yea remember when we could imagine actually decent endings? Good times
Your comment is definitely well written, underrated and definitely deserves more appreciation. What a disappointing end. When all our anticipation was leaning to the poetic end where the prophecy would come true, with her loved one killing her. And that last bit on your comment was just on point. Jaime would once again go back to his title as the kingslayer. Makes me wonder how GRRM planned and actually wrote the end for GoT
@@NeverExistedShadow13 I feel like since the story was so well structured and well written that people like myself began to accurately predict where the series was heading, so D&D flipped the script and pulled something out of their ass for that juicy "subversion of our expectations"
Either that or this was how it was originally planned out, but since D&D didn't have any more books to go off of and wanted to be done with GoT so they could work on Star Wars that it ended up being terribly fleshed out. I really wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be either, I appreciate your comment though
As I tend to put it, her limiting factor is not her gender, but the fact she's an idiot.
Cersei loves Jaimie because Jaimie is who she should be.
She sees her ideal self in him.
Totally disagree. Both are fucked up selfish individuals but in very different ways. Cersei has never wanted to be Jaime, she's only wanted what he was given. Power, respect, freedom.
The moment Jaime started to question her motives and actions she cast him away as useless to her. I believe she even used those words. Only when she's in prison does she freak out and realize she needs him. At this point he's busy putting the Riverlands back together and he just tears up her letter. Cersei only wants to see herself in Jaime. He stopped being HER reflection and she rejected him.
When Jaime returns to KL, Cersei had just lost her son, who was murdered. She felt utterly vulnerable to her enemies. She wanted Jaime to be what he has always been, her sword. To fight with her against those threatening their family. But what was Jaime doing? Going on and on about them getting married and revealing their incest to everyone. It was absurd and her anger towards him was an impatient reaction to that.
She didn't understand that Jaime was going through an identity crisis at the time. Because yes he lost a hand but he was still her Jaime. She didn't see him differently. But he did. They were two people in need, neither in a position to give. This is why they fell apart.
Hm I actually think that your opinions don't exclude each other! You're both right!
He is her only true friend and has been there from the beginning. When your sibling is your best friend it hurts just thinking what life would be like without them because they have always been there, they have shared your life experiences more closely than anyone else and as such they understand you better than anyone else.
It’s so funny how Ceresi is still obsessed with rhegar but hates Robert for being obsessed with Lyanna
cersei's chapters are always so entertaining.. can't wait for the ones to come. Lena Headey was an excellent casting choice somehow makes the crazy so attractive & exciting on screen
If she wanted to break the prophecy, all she had to do was give them DIFFERENT COLORED SHROUDS. Duh. Fate would be all like... wuuuuut?
Funniest thing I've read today.
Wouldn't hurt to shave them all bald as well.
David Kordesh xD ahahahah
All she had to do was not sleep with her brother. And if she can't resist the kingslayer, she should have killed herself. That way the Prophecy becomes null. She should have also asked, "what can I do to save my children?" not "Will I be Quee?
Yeah like ruby!So easy lol
I wish this version actually happened instead of what we actually got
i like what we got.
@@suumcuique4530 what we got was shit
Not going to lie when he left Brienne I thought he was on his way to go kill Cersei
@Varoon thank you I didn't even realize I mistyped that
Nicklas Ratzka it was fucking garbage
Holy crap! That was definitely a deeper look into this character. Some of those I would have never put together like her becoming more like Robert. Thank you Alt Shift X!!
you should totally narrate books on audible. your voice is so soothing!
LiLi Irdu i keep falling asleep during his videos! Not because they're boring but because he has a great voice for ASMR. It's unexpectedly soothing.
It's boring
And he mispronounces a lot
His voice is very bland and boring, nice to fall asleep to
I agree, he does have a relaxing voice. It would be great for guided meditations, hypnosis, etc.
This video proofs that Cersei is one of the best characters of the whole show. Such a complex fascinating character arc.
Ayato You're joking, right?
What do you mean?
Cersei is a terrible character. I don't respect a mother who lost 3 children to power and still didn't learn her lessons. I thought she learnt when she told Magery that Tomen would need her. Instead she flipped and got her inprisoned and later killed her. Cersei is a terrible character with poor judgement who think her stupidity is wisdom.
Goddy Win I've never understood why people would hate characters because of their personal judgement of their actions...
I hate characters that are terribly written or inconsistent. I love characters that tell interesting stories and are human with problems and weaknesses. Cersei is, in that regard, a phenomenal character!
Cersei is a terrorist who killed her children with power, poor judgement and selfishness. I don't Identify with her, I don't like what she represents and I certainly don't understand her purpose in life. If her purpose is to protect her children, she failed. If her purpose is to protect the relm,, she fails. If her purpose is to declare herself queen and bark orders from a throne that doesn't belong to her, then she has succeeded. Once on top, there is only one way to go. The caracter might make for TV entertainment but I don't like her. To be honest when I rewatch GOT I skip everything Cersei. Her phylosophy is flawed, her choices are terrible and her decisions are yuk. The only good thing about Cersei is that a great actress is playing that role.
In the show Jamie is going north to help jon snow....what I think is that Jamie will die fighting the white walkers....then arya will use Jamie's face and come to kings landing and kill cersei as she is in her list of names. Cersei will think Jamie is killing her when in reality it will be arya..also arya will be accompanied by the hound who will take his revenge from the mountain.
The hound is dead
Omg i love this theory
@@night_beastie That's the Mountain, the Hounds older brother. The Hound himself isn't dead though
The Hound isn’t dead, the showrunners spoilered that the badass two dudes on the wall still live.
would be a good story line but sadly wont happen, jaime will get captured and sent back to kings landing and will somehow kill her then, has for the arya she will be badly injured in a fight with the mountain but gets saved by the hound who dispatches his brother, so arya will be too injured to do anything else after that before the season ends
I suffered from dyslexia for my entire life, and I found that listening to the audiobook book, and reading along at the same time has helped me immensely to understand the stories, but it’s channels like yours that you complete breakdowns and bloodlines and storylines that I really truly grateful. Grateful and appreciate immensely. Keep up the great work..
Nobody gets to be with the person they want to be with in this series.
Robert didn’t get to be with Lyanna, Lyanna likely didn’t want to be with him.
Nedd had to marry Catelyn when his brother died, neither of them wanted to be with one another. Littlefinger wanted to marry Cat, but he was beneath her, now he has a title... but she’s dead. Her identical looking daughter wants nothing to do with him. She wanted to marry the prince, but that didn’t work out. She had to marry Tyrion, who wanted to marry another woman, who his father wouldn’t allow. Bolton only married her to solidify his right over Winterfell.
Cersei can’t be with Jaime, Jaime can’t be with her. Now that she’s queen, and can do what she wants, Jaime seems to recognize her insanity and selfishness, and probably wouldn’t be with her if he could.
Danny cannot he with either Jorah or Dario, the man she wanted to be with died of septic. She cannot be with Jon so long as he refuses to bend the knee, Jon isn’t interested in her so long as the White Walkers pose a threat.
This list could go on, and on, and on.
But there are Sam and Gilly! C:
Alt Shift X: Makes a 25 minutes video about how Cercei´s story might end, giving multiple possibilities based off foreshadowings and prophecies
D&D: How about some rocks?
Ladies and gentleman, the answer is: Poorly written.
your opinion
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@@suumcuique4530 the accurate opinion
I always said that the three Lannister kids each individually inherited one of tywins best qualities, but those qualities alone were never enough. Cersei has his brutality, Tyrion his intellect, and Jaime his physical gifts. Lacking either of the other two causes the quality to mean nothing
Ironically, Tywin lacks a lot of qualities of Tywin
And it makes me think of how ironic that if Tywin had raised them right, he could've molded them into a powerhouse team, forged them into a united front for the Lannisters where they use their strengths together, even if they didn't love each other (I can't imagine Cersei caring about Tyrion even they had happier childhoods) they might've been able to work together. Instead he was (understandably) caught up with politics, and (less understandably) abusive to at least one of them with such prejudice which inevitably enabled their family dysfunction.
Jaime is the Brave
Tyrion and Cersei are kinda Dumb to fight
I find your voice so relaxing! I like to listen to your videos before I go to bed it’s like hearing a bed time story haha
Deedee Thora I was just telling my bf that this guys voice is amaaaazing! Asmr material for sure lol
That's what I'm doing it's 2.42
exactly! It's really hard to keep my eyes open whenever i listen and watch his videos..very therapeutic voice indeed 😁
Yeah me too
Hand Of The King damn same
Probably the most fleshed out character in the books and I love her back story. She's one of the most entertaining characters to watch whether you love or hate her.
I will truly miss her once she's gone. She's a witch with capital "B" and won't want to be near her, but she's a great character.
DirtyDinner24 I hate Cersei because of the things she does, but she is a fantastic and thrilling character/villain.
Eh,she's a caricature in books.
@@tiaaaron3278 How so?
@@Zenene-ok5el She's basically the evil bitch queen in books. No sympathy or edge to her. Her chapters in Feast demonstrate her insanity and her pathetic self well enough. And the way she thinks of her children is horrid too. Joffrey was a horrible sadist and somehow that makes him her favourite (as opposed to the show in which she felt sad at his nature) and she laments how Tommen is a decent,good kid and not like Joffrey.
Truly amazing. The amount of research required to make this video is out of the world. Blown away.
Sad that the same cannot be said about the show's last season itself.
@@muflon8342 True..
I agree!
I wanted Cersei to become the mad queen. I understand Daenerys showed it all the time but was almost to easy. I imagined her starting to burn the town but then snap out of it, realizing she was nothing more then Cersei. Cersei even thought her own children betrayed her by leaving her (dying) & that was one of the big differences between her & Dani. They mirror eachother in many ways but Dani loves her children, even in death. So by having Dani snap out of it, could have been the last straw for Cersei so she just starts burning it down herself in a If I cant have the throne no one will & Dani tries to save the people instead & whomever is the valonqar kills Cersei & ends it. We would have gotten a mad queen but without loosing two strong women. Would have been my ideal end :) Hoping thats is how its gonna play out in the book since we didnt get it in the series.
So much for this......
What a crushing end.....
I’m sorry...
I accept your apology
SHIIIIZZAAAAAA
You are forgiven, Speedwagon-kun
Guys!
There's still hope for Cersei's story having a satisfying ending!
We've still got the Books!
....Right?
....Guys??
I don't know girl. The way things are going, we'll have to wait next year
If GRRM allows other people to finish the books posthumously then why not
But the wait might be long
O my sweet summer child.
Next year 😂@@someorclad9738
The more videos I see about what could have happened, the more I'm convinced they did ended the show in the literal worst way they could have.
I just want to second trying the audiobooks for ASOIAF. Roy Dotrice's narrations remind me of being a child and having my dad tell me stories about him wrestling grizzly bears in Alaska (if my dad was an old British man, of course). Also equally as fictional, as it turns out.
It would be so great if you did a video like that about Theon
nooooo he must redeem himselffffff
Aryadeserves better great idea! I'd love to see that
the best possible ending for him would be him visiting jon and apologising for all bad that he has done. Jon will accept the apology and executing him after
I doubt theon will die
I'd like to know who the hooded guy was who Theon met when escaping Winterfell
I take issue with the statement that "Robert loved Lyanna". They go to great lengths in both versions of the story to show us that Robert loved an idea that he had that LOOKED like Lyanna. That is called "infatuation" not "love". Plus a good 45% of that supposed love came from the fact that marrying her would make his best friend his brother ("by-law"). The other 55% stemmed from the fact that she was pretty and had a wild spirit. Who she actually was underneath that didn't seem to factor in.
Book-Ned is so frustrated by Robert's constant pining away for the perfect life he thinks he would've had with his fantasy version of Lyanna that at one point he blurts out "You didn't even know her." Show-Robert openly admits that he can't even remember what she looked like. Because what she looked like and who she actually was is not important. What she represented to him is all he knows of her.
Very well put, plus I would add Robert hated kingship, he liked rebellion and fighting but afterwards grew fat and bored- Lyanna represents that 'happy' rebellion period.
Would infatuation kill you emotionally for the rest of your life?
agree, but infatuation is the wrong word because by definition infatuation is short-lived. I would say Robert was obsessed with the idea of Lyanna, not the person who Lyanna was.
Coach Cro Does Robert seem emotionally dead to you? I'd say he's having a pretty damn good time in 50% of the scenes he's in. Sometimes he was angry or morose. But he obviously still had plenty of live emotions.
But to answer your question, sure. It just depends on how much you've built it up in your own mind. Hell, you can wallow in self-pity for the rest of your life for any old random reason. People do it all the time. He fought a huge war and ended a dynasty, ostensibly for a chick who just wasn't all that into him. But the fantasy version of her in his mind was just as crazy about him as he was about her. That person never actually existed.
Yes, this is an extreme case of infatuation fueled by insane circumstances. So if you want to argue semantics, there may be a more apt term to describe an infatuation that has been built up over years and years to such ludicrous proportions. "Obsession" maybe?
Hmm yes a married man with "three children" and what does he do? He only talks of Lyanna, he doesn't love his wife, he doesn't love "his" children and he's drunk most of the time. Does this sound like happiness to you?
Fun fact : Lyanna Stark was loved by the two men Cersei loved (Rhaegar and Robert).
Pommeau de Douche She never met Rheagar.
yea she did you dope
Shanox I'm pretty sure rheagar even visited baby tyrion at casterly rock
Robert was an ass. He didn´t love her. He barely knew her. He was just an obsessed brat. He hated the fact someone "took" something from him.
I think "wanted" is more accurate in both cases
As someone who have never watched the show, but knows how it ends, I love videos like yours that show not only logic with theories, but passion in what could happen in the story beyond what has been published.
I only hope for the final two books to be released one day, because the SOIAF world is so fascinating
I'd say:
Chance of Tyrion killing Cercei: 20%
Chance of Jamie killing Cercei: 75%
Chance of someone else killing Cercei: 5%
agree 100%
Jaimie=0%
Agamemnon yep
I wouldn't even say there's a percentage that Tyrion would kill Cersei.
I'm not that sure. I'd put the probability for Tyrion lower (maybe 5-10%, at least for the books, I think it's not interesting story-wise) and increase that for "someone else" to 15-20%
Valyrian doesn't have genders. Thus, the valonqar could also be a little sister. Moreover, it doesn't say YOUR valonqar, just THE valonqar 13:29. So, it could be any little sister or brother. Some people think it's going to be Arya, Cersei is on her death list.
Interestingly, there's precedence for the potential male misinterpretation of a gender-neutral prophecy. Before his death, maester Aemon convinces himself that Daenerys is the prince that was promised, because the prince was gender-neutral in the valyrian prophecy, so it could also be a princess that was promised and according to Aemon all the other signs fit as well.
My bets are still on Jaime, though. It would be beautiful, dramatic, a 180 degree turn for the Jaime from earlier while at the same time being a repetition of history (mad king Aerys) and a conclusion to Jaime's redemption arc.
when you really go into her backstory, you can kinda see why she is as she is, quite sad really
but I'm still mad she killed Margeary
Same, Margaery was a great character
fucken hated margaery, guess im more like cersei than i care to admit
So was I, until I played the Telltale game. Since then I didn't care about Margeary.
Not sad at all! Life is filled with frustration. We all deal with it. Her problem is she’s incapable of growth (learning from struggle).
I hate her totally, I want to see her burn for a long time :D, she is soo inhumane and cruel and she is very narcissistic , you can see that now that she cares morea about power than her loved ones, it seems like she protected her children but actually maybe she tryied but technically she killed Tommen, Cersei is like night king only that she is a woman :D
This is such a well-written video! I've always felt that Jaime would be the one to kill Cersei, but you give that idea a much needed fleshing out.
If this happens (in the books) and if we remember the theory of Jaime and Cersei being the Mad King's bastards, Jaime would be a kinslaying Kingslayer!
I wonder what would have happened to her if Robert had been good and loving to her? Would she still have had children with Jamie?
Part of me feels sorry for her. Not for the woman she turned into but for the girl who wanted to be seen and respected like her father.
Jaime and her were banging for years.
Robert treating her well wouldn't have changed that.
Heaven forbid Robert was like Tommen....look how she walked all over him. She was foul as a child so you can't blame Robrt for that
I really loved your psychological evaluation of Cercie s life. She had so much pain and loss It would be a fitting end for her to die at the hands of her beloved Jamie as the wild fire bust around them
I just don’t want Arya to “close green eyes forever” as in I don’t want her to be the one who kills Cersei. Arya has had too many badass kills that it takes away from the story of ice and fire.
Cheeky Rose I know! if she does what’s the point of anything else in the series? Arya would literally wrap the whole show up by herself which would be pointless and lame
Arya will die episode 5, killed by Jaime trying to protect Cercei, then Jaime kills Cercei and Jon kills Dany leaving Brienne and jaime to rule the 7 kingdoms
Gro Skunk thatd be sick if Jaime kills Arya. We need some twists
I agree. I like Arya. But if she gets to kill Cersei too it makes a lot of other characters and storylines feel redundant. Maybe Arya will die in a shock turn
@@gro_skunk Not quite, plot armor was too strong for Arya.
Cersei's biggest enemy has always been herself.
When you think about it the prophecy is actually harmless, especially in the show. "You will marry the king" quiet harmless already. "A younger, more beautiful queen will cast you down." Unless she planning on dying early or marrying her son Cersie will be cast down by another Queen since her son, the king, will need to marry. "You will have 3 childeren... gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds" you will have 3 childeren with golden hair(I think thats what it means or maybe 'gold crowns' means her childerens power will come from Lannister gold) and they will die. Like no shit, everyone dies. It doesn't even say that they will die young. Valenquar is the only part of the prophecy thats directly ominous and even that doesn't mean Cersies younger brother just a younger brother.
If Cersie wasn’t such a bad person maybe she could have lived a long happy life and would be killed crying tears off happines at an event or smthing when a younger borther just assassinate her when she is in her late 90s because someone lost a bet to her or smthing. That would fulfill the prophecy compeletely when her childerens eventually died as well.
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It was rocks
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Fuckin' *_rocks_* , man. _FUCKIN ROCKS!_
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It really is! Free audiobook here, guys: www.audible.com/asx
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OK so legit Dani put her down(stairs) to die under the crumbling city.. OK I like that bit. What I thought she deserved was watching Jamie die of his wounds and then standing there for a bit alone. 100% alone in the world with nobody to love her before the ceiling collapsing. Maybe she mutters for forgiveness as its happening. THAT would have been OK with me. She needed to suffer more. In front of me.
I think they should have kept the pet were she has a miscarriage. I think Jamie should have never gone to Kings landing but have home send a raven telling Cersei that she is evil and he has moved on. Then she is left alone, when kings landing is burning, maybe Arya confronts her and torcher her before killing her.
Cersei: "I'll burn Kings Landing to the ground"
Dany: "Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!"
Haha that Rick and Morty reference: I JUST LOVE KILLIN' 😂
This was really well done, kinda like a college essay about GOT
no one comes to doing to better !!
I don't think it will be Brienne, not because of the "beautiful" part of the prophecy, but because she isn't a Queen. Another possibility would be Sansa, who might become a Queen and might be arguably more beautiful than Cersei.
what about Arya i cant see her as a queen but sansa or Daenerys could sit on the throne
Man, I've been saying this for years! It's OBVIOUS it will be Sansa. She is commonly declared to be very beautiful and she will _absolutely_ be Queen of the North sooner or later.
It's poetic since Cersei has been trying to kill Sansa for years and it will be Sansa who kills Cersei. Perhaps while thanking her for all she has taught her. :P
I believe Sansa will have Sandor as her 'protector' and perhaps even Jamie will be with her when she comes to take King's Landing so there's a valanquor or two. Take your pick.
Oh yes and I think Jon and Dany will be killed in the white walker battles to those wondering where they are in my 'theory'..
The prophecy doesn’t say another queen, it just says another younger and more beautiful, to cast you down. That’s the qualifier. Cersei made herself queen without claim. Could be anyone. I like the idea of Maggy giving her an FU.
@@AldoHam Can't be Arya. She's said she would never be a good lady and had to be something else. More likely Danaerys and Sansa is the darkhorse. She's in charge of Winterfell now.
Low-key hoping it's Sansa.
She hears prophesies that she doesn't want to come true, then immediately fulfills one of them by killing her friend. First thing she does and she's already ensuring them.
Imagine she instead just stays in her room with her friend all night and morning comes and her friend is alive. Then the witch is wrong and she can stop worrying about all the rest!
I almost wonder if her killing her friend worked as a powerful blood sacrifice, this somehow channeling magical energy making the prophecy "true". Or that the prophecy only becomes true because she believes it which she shows by killing her friend
@@niksutliffa sacrafice has magical power in this world of got they say, and the more pure the better. Her friend was a sweet little girl who was naive of the enemies she had 😢
And as dany walks into the throne room and stares at the burnt down place, one of her worst fears is realized- she is now queen of the ashes
It would be heartbreaking but I actually dont care soo much who will win the trone, I want only two things that dragons will be alive and that Cersei is not the one sitting in there :D, I actually qwant to see face off between Arya and Cersei
nobody can predict the twisted mind of George RR Martin
he's a genius
Only Film Thery could 1 time.
TheyCallMeConor especially not the showrunners
Javierpal Fordring when?
If it's R+L=J, that theory is 20 years old
yes, now i know, lol.
Alf Shift X I want to say thank you for making all the videos you have made. I know you probably get this comment allot, but please believe me when I say that your work is more appreciated then you know. It was a year ago that I got into GOT and I admit I was worried about getting into a series this complex. However before I read any of the books your videos made everything so easy to understand and its because of your work that I enjoy the series so much. It takes allot of time to make a masterpiece such as this, so thank you for making these videos to help people understand the world GRRM has created. Cheers. :)
Michael Karimian I know he's awesome isn't he?! I just finished watching seasons 1-7 so I am all caught up, but I still have a million questions! I love this channel and videos as they really have cleared A LOT up for me! I mean there are so many different ideas and explanations for things and although these are just ideas and opinions, they are pretty awesome!
It's bitterly ironic that, for all her complaints about the patriarchal society of the Seven Kingdoms, Cersei ends up one of the biggest misogynists in Westeros.
She's essentially the dark inversion of Daenerys; where as Dany embraces her womanhood and "mother of dragons" persona despite being ostensibly infertile, Cersei curses her female identity and projects this massive insecurity onto friends and foes alike.
Actually, she recently came to celebrate her womanhood/fertility (however very privately) with her 4th incestuous pregnancy by Jamie. A dark secret that only she and now Tyrion know as of S7.
@@simsdiver5201 I wouldn't consider that 'celebrating' her womanhood, I don't think it's very relevant to the point. Her other pregnancies by Jamie doesn't invalidate anything the video said about her cursing her womanhood.
@Mason Reed She WAS. Not until they fucked her up
Well she burned the whole thing down today, even cersei was in shock
@Mason Reed she use to be nice, now she's just a crazy queen that D&D fucked up
You're thinking too hard. On TV, Cersei will die in some utterly banal, predictable way, because D&D's writing has ruined a great series.
In the books, Cersei will never die, because GRRM will never, never, never, never, never, never, finish the f#$&ing thing.
damn, you're so right, those are my thoughts exactly
Why dont you think he will finish it?
Cause he is old and barely writing, he is also working on the show.
@@thorbeorn4295 Well (sigh! _ cos I do regard myself as a GRRM fan) _ he reminds me of something C.S.Lewis (I think it was) said, that it is SO easy for us to keep telling ourselves we want something when we do not really want it (or no longer want it). I'm sure many of us know this feeling from having to meet deadlines or finish tasks.
We know he doesn't have writer's block, because he can churn out huge books like "Fire And Blood" or "The World Of Ice And Fire" _ and doesn't appear to need much time to do so.
Most of the rest of his time seems to be spent chuckling his way through big public interviews, if TH-cam is anything to go by. I don't claim to know anything about being an author, but I've seen people who do saying that, in writing as in many other fields, if you want to stop a person finishing a task, the easiest way is to get them to talk about it.
GRRM often says that he originally started ASOIAF because, in his previous jobs writing film scripts, he felt so restricted by editors who imposed deadlines and wanted to set limits to the amounts of characters and settings, and that in ASOIAF he was hell-bent on creating as many characters and worlds as he damn well pleased.
I think GRRM's frustrated readers are now realising that those editors may have had a point.
In 1996, when he wrote Book 1, GRRM had 2 incentives to get the damn thing finished: (a)money, and (b)success. He doesn't need either of those things anymore. Now, the only reason he has to finish is _ just because he says he will. Unfortunately, that doesn't put any *pressure* on.
Finally, in 1996, and probably later, GRRM was doing it for FUN _ he enjoyed it. In recent interviews, I've heard him use the word "fun" about "Fire And Blood" and "The World Of Ice And Fire" _ but NOT about ASOIAF. (I'm not saying he *definitely* hasn't said it, but I haven't heard it.)
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I'm no lover of Cersei, but the moral of the story is clear: force girls and women to live as powerless objects, and they may grow into monsters to assert the strength stolen from them.
And gain that power then fuck it up afterwards
Then blame the men