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- The Atheist Experience 26.29 for July 17, 2022 with Dave Warnock and Forrest Valkai.
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"Atheism is a faith because you can't disprove the magical sky daddy that I invented in my head." - Every theist that calls this show.
That's exactly what they do. It's just another way to justify their religious beliefs and delusions.
If they can't prove their claims, they automatically run down any opposing arguments.
@@theresawilliams4296 run down?
Its more like trying crash your bike against a speeding truck and think you can win.
In order for them to fight a strong argument, they must have at least a strong counter argument...
All i see are deluded people shooting blanks and hope they can actually hit someone.
@@jameswalton4259 lol, your worldview is a word game where you just interchange God and the universe. There's no
value in that.
@@jameswalton4259 We already have a good enough word for the natural universe.
We call it "The Universe."
It's better because it doesn't carry the massive amount of ridiculous baggage that the word "god" carries.
@Nathaniel Elderwood lol, thanks for reminding us trolls are still a thing.
As soon as he’s asked a direct question, the tap dancing begins. The hallmark of an individual who has no intention of engaging in honest discourse.
Or so intellectually shallow, the first question throws them into the deep end, where they flutter, paddle and then sink to an ignominious end.
I'm no intellectual giant by any means, yet, every "debate" I've ever had with a god believer ends as soon as I ask a simple, straightforward question.
Exactly!
@@soonerarrow I think in this caller's case.....your comment is 100% on point
@@marke2452 so did you actually have a question you wanted an answer to? you could ask me.. a lot of people don't know anything because Christianity doesn't really require anything and from what I can tell most atheist were Christians first
Interesting how Theists like to claim Atheism is a faith but they don`t seem to consider their own lack of belief in Zeus or Poseidon or any number of Gods as a faith
which is what Forrest was trying to get across with the goblin in closet thing. Unfortunately faith clogs the ears and paralyzes the brain.
@@Mouse_007 Totally
Clearly theists don't know what they're doing, they just think they do, which means they think they know what they don't know. 😂
Yes, that is weird indeed. So, based on that, every Christian has faith in Muslim and Jewish religion, amongst all others !
If Atheism is a religion then chastity is a sexual position.
It's a fact that atheism is a religion. Atheism is the religion of "self." YOU call the shots, instead of God. You also believe that evolution is the "controlling power" over life, instead of God. THAT is religion. Religion is the enemy of God w/ it's ritual, liturgy & man made tradition. Religion is the questioning & belief about this world & it's cause WHEN THERE IS NO QUESTION. Try to learn.
and barefoot is a shoe style.
And "homeless" is an address.
And being naked is a style of clothing.
And not smoking is an addiction.
“Faith is something that you believe that nobody in his right mind would believe." --- Archie Bunker
This dude never fails to fail to listen.
gosh bro, and he is not alone, nearly every other religious calling them just act totally not humble, normally not respectful, totally gullible.
Like when they say what if we atheists are wrong and at the end THEIR god will judge us... but they NEVER think about nor answer to what if they were wrong about their god and the god of islam was true, of the hindu gods, of any other civilization deity, what if they are ALL wrong and there was only this god who will reward those who seek for evidence and truth and logical thinking and with a great sense of humor, making atheists the only ones in heaven????
this dude would need far more in the way of mental infrastructure to be able to listen to anything. He sounds like a 15 year old bimbo talking about arcane, esoteric shit he just learned about in class
Atheist: I don’t believe what you are telling me.
Theists:Well that takes faith.
Atheist:What?
In their world, faith = ignorance
Matt would've been all over this call, which is probably why Patrick opted to call to this episode instead. I appreciate Forrest's attempt, even if it would've been better served being presented to a brick wall.
the point of the show is not to convince Patrick, but to show viewers how theists are unreasonable. Somewhere someone saw this clip and decided that maybe atheists are right.
@@Lykon The point of the show isn't to make theists look unreasonable, they do that to themselves. It's to hear what other people believe and hear why they believe those things. If someone finally calls with a perfectly good reason, probably evidence-based, to believe in a god, then the show has served its purpose.
@@meloveAi my point was that it's not about convincing the caller, but convincing the viewers. You're on a whole other subject my friend.
@@Lykon Ah, well that's my mistake then.
@@jcldctt I... didn't actually say that, though? Forrest had an excellent analogy, it's Patrick that was deficient here because he's a dishonest deist troll that never listens to any of the hosts every time he calls in. He was never going to engage with the question anyway, so Forrest would have had better luck asking it to a brick wall.
As for the comparison to Matt, I mentioned that because his approach is more direct and he's got 15+ years of dealing with idiots like Patrick such that he is uniquely equipped to cut through the rambling. Forrest is an excellent communicator, I'm especially a fan of his Reacteria content, he simply had a higher opinion of Patrick than the fool deserved.
Funny thing about the closet goblin is that I'm not even 100% convinced that there is a closet there. I mean, closets do exist and are found in homes, but Forrest could specifically be BSing us about which side of the room the closet is on, and we wouldn't know any better. Like he could just be pointing to a wall that is off camera.
I have no evidence that this comment was written by me, other than my fallible memory
Not the point
With AI becoming what it is, can we even be sure Forrest is real 🤔
@@ihatespam2They're not arguing against a point, so your comment is fucking irrelevant.
If you don't give somebody a reason to believe you, they have no reason to believe you.
*brain explosion*
Funny how that works
Shoot, forget goblins, just say that Krishna is in your closet, eating handfuls of butter and granting boons to people who give him mangos, and vanishing every time you open the door, because all of those things are entirely in character for him.
"Why won't people take me at my word?"
Meanwhile...
"You're up to something by asking me whether I believe you when you say there's a goblin in your closet."
This whole conversation went way over Patrick's head.
No Forrest, the Goblin & God are not the same premise. There was an INFINITE cause to this FINITE world & many equate that w/ God & not a goblin. I always know I've won the debate when the atheist feels compelled to mention known fantasy. They have to go w/ known fantasy, because stupidity (atheism) makes no sense at all and that's why all atheists scream "WE DON'T MAKE CLAIMS!" LOL.
I have a feeling that you should talk to these people as if they’re 10-year-olds or they won’t understand. No, make that 8.
@@kellydalstok8900 they still wouldn't understand, because they don’t want to.
Maybe if questions and answers of hosts keep bugging them like peddle in shoe they may later realize how stupid their believes are. Maybe.
@@valivali8104 "they don't want to" 100% true.
I think Patrick perfectly understood the conversation, but then tried to divert it when he realized he was cornered. Up until Forrest asked the closet question, Patrick followed along with the conversation just fine.
It’s scary to think how many Patrick type people there are on this planet.
@@fightevil.readbooks.5076 And reproduce, ensuring stupidity will continue for a while yet.
@@fightevil.readbooks.5076 And reproduce 😱
And worse than that, his type is a requirement to run the US.
allowed to vote, breed and buy arms....
Patrick sounds like someone you would meet at a bar. He has already had a few drinks and is now ready to engage in a philosophical discusion about religion and the universe.
The guy you just wish would shut the fuck up and sell you the damned cocaine!
How did it take until the end of the call for you to realise Patrick wasn't listening?
He didn't listen at all throughout the whole call and just waffled about whatever he wanted to regardless of what he'd been asked or what had been said previously. This was like listening to two completely separate conversation.
Matt would’ve made the call far briefer.
It's a shame they can't screen callers for Insanity, or other severe mental health issues! Patrick is clearly touched... Or high on something... Or BOTH!
Classic theist ;-)
@@jameswalton4259 you missed the point entirely.
Forrest wasn't making any comparisons or implementations at all. He was trying to clarify Patrick's position on faith. He was trying to establish what Patrick ment by faith and by faith position. He could have picked any extraordinary claim. He could have claimed he had a pet albeno crocodile. Would have still worked.
These conversations are not just for the benefit of the callers, but also for listeners who DO want to learn. Matt said as much on this program once.
Patrick can never resist letting the hosts know that he holds "the same view as Einstein" and he was a really smart guy!
Patrick brings up Einstein in a feeble attempt to equate his own level of thought & reasooning to Einstein's level. Humble bragging is so annoying
meanwhile you can't listen to 3 words out of his mouth without confronting a mental image of someone with a finger up his nose, walking around bare-assed in a hospital gown
Glad to see Dave looking well since his ALS diagnosis
He spoke a few weeks ago about the fact that the illness has progressed; it may not be noticeable to see him sitting in front of a camera, but he's admitted to having more trouble walking and using his arms.
That’s sad.
Atheism is a religion.
Bald is a haicut.
Off is a tv channel.
Off is the opposite position to on. Get a grip.
@@atheismandthemythof50gende54 Off is the lack of on. There is no tv channel that is "Off", just how darkness is a lack of photons. "Opposite" is a dishonest way of looking at it.
Atheism by definition is the lack of a belief in a god or gods, not the belief in no gods.
Get a grip, toad.
@@truthserumbackup4151 I lack the belief that no God exists.
Not collecting stamps is a hobby
@@atheismandthemythof50gende54 Bye then
Ah, the old failed attempt at Tu Quoque. One of the classics.
I hate callers who love to speak but either refuse to or are incapable of listening.
They have too much pride.
He instantly defined contradictory terms.
He defined Agnosticism as explicitly not Atheism and explicitly not theism, then he defined Atheist as Not Theist. You can’t have a third option in a true dichotomy, and so at least one of his definitions cannot be accurate.
Religious apologists aren’t satisfied saying they don’t have a clue what atheism means. They have to SHOW it(and usually keep showing it).🤡
Some religious apologists assert that atheists don't really exist and that anyone claiming to be one is lying. Talk about pathological arrogance.
@@brentwalker3300 Rule #1 in Religious Apologist Club is “Apologists lie.”.😈
I’ve seen videos on apologetics where they instruct supposed apologists to ignore them when they say they simply lack faith because it isn’t real atheism and that they should proceed with the idea that they are asserting there isn’t a god no matter what.
@@joemiller7082 One trick they learned from the Nazis is “If you’re gonna tell a lie, make it a whopper.”😈
Dude needs to Google burden of proof and understand if we don't know if God exists (agnostic) we shouldn't believe it either (atheism).
Yep ... I am both an agnostic and an atheist ... the two are not mutually exclusive.
Isn't agnostic just a state of knowing or not?
Since u can be a gnostic/agnostic theist/atheist
@Joe dirty71 well they do identify as such/act that way so there's that lol
Goes even further, if something exists, or is true, then one's beliefs about it are irrelevant, and unnecessary.
@@rG1vZ it’s more of a statement of knowledgeability than the knowledge itself. I think it is more commonly used as “is it knowable?”
Never argue with someone who had a "revelation" in the shower You cant win!!
@@ScottSavageTechnoScavenger
Ummm…. I really _really_ don’t want to know!
This comment is why TH-cam needs laugh reacts 😂
"revelation" in the shower"... euphemism???
.....what? What about not believing is a religion? No dogma, no commandments, no beliefs no.... Its like calling a crater a house.
Did not like how the hosts took this call.
It’s probably because they’re worried about offending his pronouns or something lol
These host don't know how to focus the caller. Theists like Patrick here NEEDS HAND HOLDING every step of the way, otherwise he'll be all over the place and wouldn't or can't listen, as is evidenced by this call. Matt is so good at holding hands and narrowing the path so they can actually have a conversation instead of "horse and cow". Horse goes one way and cow goes the other, an old sayin' in my culture.
There's a difference between using faith as a means to truth and the dogma of faith (like dogma, commandments, etc.). I think that's part of the confusion. I don't believe anyone in this call was talking about the latter. Dogma is a component of religion but faith and religion can be used interchangeably.
@@drg8687 How can faith be a means to truth when faith is belief without (sufficient) evidence?
I don't object to faith as a precursor to finding evidence and proving your faith true, if that's what you meant by it.
@@szeddezs Well, I don't believe it's a means to truth but there are people that do. That's very common thing to hear from a theist who calls into these shows.
I was trying to clarify that the OP might be confused about the context of faith in this conversation.
The people who try to sound the most humble are usually the most self obsessed.
Humblebrag it’s called
Atheist walking down the path with a beer in his hand...
Jesus: "Wait brother, let me teach you about faith!"
Atheist: Doesn't notice him. No reaction...
Atheist: Keeps walking. Sipping his beer...
Jesus: But hey, dude, come here listen to me...
Atheist: Goes into a restaurant and orders a meal...
Jesus comes in and sits down. The chair does not move...
Jesus: "I f you don't believe in me, you will suffer endless tribulation!"
Atheist: Goes to a bar, watches the band and goes home with a nice lady he met and they live happily ever after...
Jesus: "Atheism is a faith!"
Jesus fades away
The moral of this story is, faith or not, if you are just a character in a bronze age book of fiction, you don't exist in the real world...
Bottom line : Jesus died for your sins and you rejected Him . The End : HELL and it was all you choice
@@timsmith530
Nope, he is just a bad fairy tale.
No sin, no hell.
Sorry that you are wasting your life believing this cr*p! Hope that someday you get a grip and stop falling for this christian scam!
You can do it!
@@timsmith530 So, I’m guessing you’re not going to present evidence for any of that, right?
@@timsmith530 Typical. You have no proof for you religious beliefs and claims, and then you end your childish rant with threats of damnation.
Grow up buddy.
@@timsmith530
"Jesus died for your sins"
Even your own religion says he didn't die... If he was resurrected, he didn't DIE... No more than anyone who had to be resuscitated after an injury or heart attack...
He had a bad weekend...
Also, he sure as f**k didn't die for MY SINS 2,000 + years before I even existed...
"HELL"
Prove it exists...
Show us the proof of where it is...
You know what is a sin in your religion? Coming here lying to everyone about a God that you cannot prove exists just because someone told you about it and your imagination convinced you it was real... In other words, you're lying to others and yourself...
From Tom Stoppard's "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead..."
Rosencrantz - "Are we dead?"
Guildenstern - "No, we're on a boat."
R - "We might as well be dead... Do you think death could possibly be a boat?"
G - "No, no, no... Death is...not. Death isn't. You take my meaning? Death is the ultimate negative. Not-being. You can't not-be on a boat."
R - "I've frequently not been on boats."
G - "No, no, no--what you've BEEN is 'not on boats.'”
One of my most favorite exchanges ever. You just had it for real!
Always nice to Forrest's smile
*see
Agreed
Good thing this guy is a skeptic! Otherwise he'd be a real mess.
Haha
lol! you got me cracked up
Atheism is the opposite of what Patrick thinks. “Atheism is a belief….” No, Patrick Atheism means without belief.
@@jameswalton4259 stop lying James. Forest doesn't claim absolute knowledge of everything, he's saying no-one has presented evidence.
@@jameswalton4259 There is no evidence for god outside the Bible and believers’ fee fees about him.
This guy's voice sounds familiar - I think he was a repeat caller from a number of years ago on much older episodes.
He doesn't appear to have learned anything in the interim.
I think he is... Voice sounds the same and stupid arguments as well...
Definitely same guy, pushing the same argument with very little change across all the shows. He throws in "I believe in the god of Einstein" every single time.
Yeah, he keeps calling back and uses really bad arguments, is a pantheist, and loves to basically be like "well Einstein was a pantheist, and these smart guys are a pantheist, so I will be one too."
You never want the conversation to devolve into a dictionary battle, but I would think someone would look up the meanings of words at least once prior to calling people to have a battle of ideas.
An atheist having faith makes atheism a religion...what??? Ffs 🤦♂️
this caller has called before and he is been clueless everytime
My brain broke when Forrest mentioned his imaginary goblin in the closet, and the caller simply couldn't say NO... The imaginary goblin that Forrest conjured up does not exist!
Now sure, we don't know 100% that this goblin doesn't exist. But the fact that it was made up entirely on the spot gives me a 99.999999999....% certainty that Forrest just made shit up to prove a point.
I mean, right now, I have an image of Thanos in my brain, eating chocolate ice cream. Does that 'exist'?
If we're not careful about what is obviously 'real' and obviously 'imagined', then we run the risk of slipping headlong into a solipsistical nightmare, in which we can no longer differentiate Reality from Fantasy!
Thanks... But No Thanks! We need Concrete Foundations in which we can ALL rely on... Otherwise we'll be living in a world of Complete and Utter Chaos!
Don’t despair. It’s not as bad as all that. It’s merely a caller who is incapable of hearing anything other than his own thoughts.
Mmmmmmm...... I recall the idea of "alternative facts" thrust center stage at the 2016 Republican National Convention. The USA is living in that chaos right now.
@@Haroldbeavis1969 Sure... It's just that a good fraction of these callers are just as deluded as this particular individual.
That he’s brought up the closet goblin named Roland on several occasions for this purpose actually increases Roland’s likelihood of existence to almost equal level with Christianity. I’ve seen it asserted multiple times and seen multiple people refer to Roland. Am I wrong???
How are we in the same reality?
We're not..
@@tylercampbell6365 it is really weird to me. Weird but interesting how people believe things for no reason at all.
@@morbidrob they have reasons. They're just utterly bad ones.
This guy has the thickest Southern accent I’ve ever heard.
Definitely sounds West Virginian to me. But im from Georgia, so 🤷
I thought he was on drugs!
@@ankebosing1968 😆
“Atheism means that you don’t know there’s a god”
*later…*
“If you can give me a better reason than ‘I don’t know’, I’ll become an Atheist!”
On a more positive critique of the video, I really like how Forrest cheered when Dave picked Patrick's call.
Off is a TV channel.
When asked about Rodney The Closeted Goblin Patrick went very quickly to question-dodging mode. He was riding into battle armed with the ambiguity of the word "faith" so he could misapply it to atheists. It's all about faith meaning "Believing something based upon good evidence" being willfully muddled with "Believing something for no good reason" in the vain hope that atheists will not see the join between the two.
Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color or abstinence is a sex position.
Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
Doesnt sound like atheism.
You know he lost the argument when he said it was a diversive call.
I love how excited Forrest gets for new calls
😄
Must be the drinking water in Florida.
You say that, depending on the county in Florida they may still be using lead piping for water as they are mostly on limestone & felt the risk is lower.
December 2021 - "The Natural Resources Defense Council has estimated there are 200,000 lead service lines in Florida."
I have faith in Forrest, therefore Roland 🙂
See, if that was me calling I would have shut up and learned something. My beliefs are constantly evolving and I'm always open to new knowledge
"Tu quoque" fallacy. Bye Patrick, thanks for calling. Next! ;-)
faith is belief without evidence
trust is belief in something with evidence
faith is the excuse people give when they have no evidence, an invisible universe creating pixie did it, my evidence is faith, "the evidence of things unseen" (the bible)
"Faith.
Belief without evidence, told by people without knowledge, of things without parallel."
Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.
@@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596 I like that!
@@holgerlubotzki3469 thank you 🙋🏼♀️
"You will never convince an idiot that you are correct, and the bystanders won't be able to tell who's who."
- Mark Twain -
I usually have my "epiphanies" right before I shower.
Anyone else having a mental picture of Forrest Gump?
Patrick is being dense on purpose.
🤭😆😂🤣💀
I wish I had half the patience you two have... Forrest and Dave, you guys are brilliant.
Imagine believing in Intelligent design and being the proof of the contrary
UGGGGGHHH that ear-splitting drawl from this caller. And then the tap dancing once asked a direct question that he KNOWS would box him in.
Cletus here seems to have an issue with logic..
Patrick has turned ‘not getting it’ into an art form.
Lmao yup.
Patrick continues to prove only one thing - he’s an utterly lost cause to humanity.
They need to screen callers better. Callers need to be able to tie their own shoes to be able to have a discussion on The Atheist Experience.
This caller is all over the place.. Holy shit!.. He's got SO MUCH in his head that he can't make sense of any of it. Can't answer a simple question, none of these people can... Why?!
Because they have no rational answers...
Not having faith is not a faith.
Not being convinced of a fallacious, unproven proposition is not a religion.
Even granting that "god" exists, what you Christians will never do is show that anything in the bible "applies to" anybody today. How could "god" matter, when there is no demonstrable criteria for discovering his will?
and if he does or ever did exist he seems to have gotten bored and left earth to fend for itself some time ago , lol
The conversation went well... until the caller started over-thinking the whole "closet goblin" scenario.
That icy shutdown at the end lol.
I love how they try to divert the conversation as soon as their point falls apart.
It’s the atheist play book, it’s why they must rely on ad hominem attacks rather then address the argument😊
@@paulk9188 mhm sure wacko. Go back to your cave mate. Not our fault you fail to see logic. The hosts didn't resort to ad hominems. He gave an example where his reasoning is obviously falacious but saw immediately he was cornered because his whole argument was based on fallacies.
@@Socomhunter thank you for proving my point. Never change😊
@@paulk9188 mhm. I've seen you in many threads which is why i know you're a wacko. You're not as smug as you think you are. Which was also apparent in the many threads you thought you were super intelligent while others saw right through it.
Calling you out for being an asshole isn't an ad hominem. You don't care for the argument. You care only to preach. That is typical asshole behavior and people rightfully don't give you their precious time.
Unless you're gonna learn to be honest you really aren't worth anyone's time.
We've got this guy in an athiesm vs thiesm debate group and he's still going "Nuh uh!"
lol
It’s faith the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Bald is a hair color, right?
Does it take Faith to believe that Zeus does not exist?
Sorry, you failed on this episode. Atheism or agnosticism are not faiths because they have no dogma, they do not appeal to supernatural authority or depend on revelations. As Steven Pinker said "It all begins with reason, with the conviction that traditional sources of belief are generators of delusion - including faith, revelation, tradition, dogma, authority, charisma, mysticism, divination, visions, conventional wisdom, gut feelings, subjective certainty and the hermeneutic parsing of sacred texts. In place of these generators of error, we must rely on reason."
It seems you missed the part where they carried out this discussion on the callers' definitions.
You were way to kind to this guy and let him make multiple false or misleading statements.
Matt stlye is now shown to be best towards dealing this dishonest callers yet later when Matt will again do it and save time for limited call-in-show this pretensious pseudo-intellectual tone-policer will ignore this evidence.
I'm fine with adopting someone's (wrong) definitions for the duration of the argument, but I think that the hosts should have made it clearer to him that most people using those labels for themself mean something different.
I thought his initial definitions, though perhaps somewhat vague, were not terrible. The problem is that he then went on to contradict his own definitions by ascribing faith to atheism, which he didn't do when he first defined atheism.
*sigh......still no cure for stupid!
Goblin lives matter!
I think there is relevance to his position subjectively, based on how "faith" might be defined.
If we can say that faith is the confidence we place on ideas or information which helps us to determine our position or belief in something, then yes one could say we have "faith" in the scientific method by way of it being properly used, observed, and applied.
Obviously we cannot always consider findings as absolutes, our theories and models are subject to change, thus we have faith that the system, current data, and our use of that system being reliable.
This dude is adorable.
This conversation felt like stumbling around a dense forest in the dark.
While wearing drunk goggles and clown shoes.
I'm agnostic and I farted.
Debate me bro.
Lack of belief is not denial
If you believe that God created the Heavens and the Earth and everything in it, then it follows that He was responsible for not only all that's good in the world, but all that's bad. So, next time you thank Him for creating a beautiful butterfly that flutters gently on the breeze, you must be equally grateful for His creating the Loa Loa filarial nematode that burrows into the eyes of children in Africa and then eats its way out from the inside.
Talking to this guy is a waste of time. He just rambles on about rubbish and can't answer questions.
I will ask a question and then completely ignore the answer. I can tell Patrick has been studying his Theist playbook.
Like asking an atheist what exactly do they think humans conceive if not other humans?😊
How is it that this completely fails to die as a gambit?
It think it was best explained by Frank Zappa when he said that stupidity is more prevalent than hydrogen in the universe and it has a longer shelf life.
Because professional christian apologists insist upon using it, and convince their gullible marks that the argument is undefeated even though they must know it's wrong.
I love how Christians argue that Atheism requires more faith because they're essentially trashing the use of faith in supporting one's position. And that pretty much tells you all you need to know right there. Priceless.
"I don't know what an atheist is but I'm going to tell you that atheism is a religion." This dude keeps insisting that Einstein was a theist because he is not clever enough to know what Einstein meant by the God of Spinoza. Patrick sounds stoned and posts like he is in the FB group. He does not listen and cannot stay on topic.
He knew he was cornered and refused ti concede.
Derp derp.
He sounds like Jim on that episode of The Office when Jim was doing an impression of Stanley
What is a god and how do we demonstrate it?
THATS A FAITH BASED CLAIMED SINCE NO ONE CAN DEMONSTRATE ANY GOD EXISTS OR WHAT ONE EVEN IS!
So Patrick wants strict obedience, and any questioning is inherently a form of religion. He’s telling us he knows it’s nonsense, so it can only be an emotional issue.
Wrong. Try not to judge knowledge by your lack of it. God is easily proved. Romans 1:20 declares that God is proved by his creation, so I'll prove creation. Can you point to anything that can't be counted, measured & had no beginning or end (INFINITE)? No, you can't. EVERYTHING in this FINITE universe can be counted, measured & has a beginning and an eventual end. That means it was created; thus, "natural causes" don't exist. Nature can't be the "cause" of anything, because DYING/FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy) was created/designed from nothing by God. And ALL MATTER doesn’t do nothing but dissipate over time - LOSING INFORMATION. That’s why you never observe any GAIN OF NEW INFORMATION (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution), because it doesn’t exist, can’t exist & never will exist.
TO FURTHER PROVE GOD; if it can be "counted or measured" it's a DYING/FINITE (having a beginning & an eventual END/death) entity that has a cause. Then, we simply ascertain what RATIONAL POSSIBLE cause has LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS & MORALITY to give and the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES & MEANS to give it. No atheist cause (e.g. nothing, star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, primordial soup) fits the bill. This SCIENCE points to God and nothing else. God proved/Atheism debunked.
P.S. - More evidence for God is that no atheist on the face of this earth has a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. They should SHUT DOWN THIS CHANNEL until they do have a RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. The asinine, lost & clueless religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. It’s time to dump your atheist cult, but you have to want to do it. Everybody desperately clings to the atheist cult out of tragedy or wanting to take the path of least resistance & rebel against their creator for the gift of life given them. They simply don’t want to pay the price. They expect “A FREE LUNCH” when life itself teaches you that “THERE’S NO FREE LUNCH!” But we have to pay the price for anything that has value. It’s time you say “yes” to Jesus. I’ll help you.
@@blarglemantheskeptic Lol “Hate speech and graphic violence”. Q Anon isn’t a group and their only job is to call everyone else peds. So boo hoo little child.
I actually changed my name because I like to every now and then but I’ll change it back since it hurts you so much.
@@blarglemantheskeptic What “Graphic Violence”?
The main takeaway from this video should be : Let the buzz die down a little bit before getting in the shower.
Patrick is becoming rapidly one of those repeated callers that I can't stand. I think that they should not be allowed to come back IF they come with the same arguments, previously debunked. Xeno and Otangelo are fine examples of that. CC, although MORE detestable and obnoxious (to me) at least came with different nonsense every call.
Patrick had trouble following along with a very simple concept.
If Atheism is a religion, then fasting is binge-eating.
"We're kind of wandering here, Patrick."
No shit!
You cannot convince me this caller wasn't Richard Christy from the Howard Stern Show. That is his Rusty or Ethel character for sure. This is an elaborate prank phone call from Sal and Richard.
Poor Patrick, he thinks that between blind faith and absolute certainty there can't be anything. That's so dumb
Caller at ~ 2:04 to 2:10: "...his non-belief or technical non-belief, but it is a belief..." That's totally awesome...I do have a hobby. My non-stamp collecting is, in essence, stamp collecting.
Patrick got caught out and then put his fingers into his ears and just went crazy!