Faith is the only access to God
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- Dave gives his explanation of why faith is the only access we can have with God and “smart” people know this where those of “less” intelligence cannot understand what faith is and needing it to access God.
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God: Wants to have a relationship with us
Also God: Is fucking invisible, doesn't talk to anyone, and sends people that don't notice him to burn forever.
Correction: He talks to some people and converts them. But all the rest of us have to take those few person's accounts on faith. Seriously, how these theists don't see the manipulation is mind boggling.
@@Finckelstein He also supposedly forced a leader and all his servants to be a dick to the Israelites, then punished an entire nation for the pharaoh doing what he was forced to do.
And he also allegedly planned for a guy to betray his only son, Jesus, just so he could have Jesus murdered violently in order to appease his own need for sacrifice, which he made up.
Best Anti-social Introvert Ever 😂
Then god or no god become indistinguishable, doesn't it?? Why bother with god then when it makes no difference in your life
that last bit is quite persuasive though....🤭
Religion is regarded by the common people to be true, by the wise to be false, and by the rulers to be useful.
Dave , this is very sad, but what's sadder is you're not alone .
“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned.” -- Richard Feynman
I stole this for my FB page 🙂
29:38
"He hasnt hidden himself from someone who has a humble heart."
What a self sealing logical pretzel
Having pride is a sin
Sinners go to hell
God only reveals himself to the humble
And round and round it goes
aha, it's pretty much, stay in your lane, do what I say and you'll get rewarded.... later.
The term you're looking for is "victim blaming". The snake oil didn't work not because it's flavored sugar water, it's because you didn't have enough faith (no refunds!)
Divine hiddenness isn't omnipotent/omnibenevolent God's fault, it's because you're not humble enough.
Of course when given an example of the many many former theists who went through a phase of humbly asking God to reveal himself the response is... change the subject.
I think in my next dnd session I’m going to cast vicious mockery and call some orc or something a self-sealing pretzel. Might make my DM laugh.
Caller: "I'm not gonna wait for science to give me an answer"
Also caller: "You have to wait for God to answer"
Lol I can't even with these people.
That special pleading is a bugger isn't it...
When the vast majority of humans are deluded..then its hard to reason with them. What a sick and twisted world we live in..full of idiots and fanatics
I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned. -Richard Feynman.
@@FactStorm Exactly. Even among the nonreligious, most humans are delusional. There are few humans who are genuinely capable of critical thinking.
Man, these people are completely lost. LOST. 😂😂😂
I believe in it because it exists and it exists because I believe in it. Gold.
And the wardrobe is the only access to Narnia.
Or the picture of a ship in the open sea.
I can prove I have been to Narnia. I brought back Turkish Delight
The bridge is the only access to Terabithia.
You have to go through the closet door to get to Narnia and see the talking tiger 🐅
and to Dad's porn stash
“God hides from the wise” so apparently Dave thinks his god doesn’t want us to use the ONE THING that distinguishes us from every other living thing on this planet.
And he just said that he's not wise because God's not hiding from him
To be fair, of all the things he said I do believe he is Not wise.
God did like us better when we were dumb, naked, and in the garden.
So I guess God did want us to just be slightly more intelligent dumb animals.
Maybe we're not wiser.
We came up with religion after all.
@@Pooknottin
Didn’t Hagrid say something like “you get a few weirdos in every breed”?
“No pronouns given” are always the best callers lol
"Hey I'm a MAN bud! Ain't got no time for this fruity concept y'all are calling pronouns 😤"
🤣@@isveryniceyes
Or when they give not actual pronouns.
My favorite is when they give something that is Not an actual pronoun as their "pronoun". 😏 Someone was out during the 8 Parts of Speech day in English class. 😂 It makes me want to to give them 10 sentences that they have to accurately diagram. 🤣😂😹
Theyre always a treat, you can always know theyre extra odd and cant ever answer a single question
"The things I've experienced from knowing God are unbelievable."
Agreed.
lmao!!😂
What Armin said is exactly what happened to me with Christianity. I searched wholeheartedly for God. During the worst of my depression, I asked him to give me a reason to live. I said one more day God, I'm going to push one more day for you. For 3 years. I begged, I was engaged and active in my church, I was friends with my pastor. And what did I hear? Silence.
What a shit god. If I were the god I'd just skip the suffering of earth and just make heaven
U asked God to give u a reason to live, i assume u were on the edge, and here u are alive 3 years later. It sounds like ur ungrateful
@@DrSales-zl3kq
No, it sounds like he asked for god’s help, he got no answer and still found a reason to get up in the morning on his own, no deity needed.
@@ajclements4627 Deity? What do people really expect when they want an answer from God? That God will light up a burning bush in their backyard so they can sit and have a conversation? If you believe in God you’ll be taken care of but don’t expect to be treated like Moses. As for your insolence I know if a plane is going down in flames u will be shiteing your pants praying to Jesus.
Take the shortcut and live as if no god exists, you'll save yourself a lot of trouble, disappointments and heartaches
“God hides from the wise” is like saying “the lottery doesn’t make sense to smart people so that dumb people have a chance to play”
It's also like saying that only unwise people believe in and can see god, lol.
God loves the poorly educated...🤣🤣🤣
Forrest: "Hell awaits because you used your brain" 🔥
Hell Awaits because of Slayer
I will never understand why these people find it *so freaking hard* to answer a yes or no question. You can almost hear the gears turning in the seconds-long pause.
Surely if you're calling in to a show to defend your case, you should know what you're talking about enough to answer simple questions about it. But maybe I'm asking too much.
Until the gears grind to a halt and break a few teeth so they have to shift to the next gear in order to function.
Forrest: "Of course you can believe absolutely anything with faith, but also I know faith is a good way to know something. What you're describing here makes no sense, Dave."
Dave: *"Yeah. Okay. That's fine. If you feel that."*
Me: [Jaw unhinges, falls off, and crashes through the floor into the room below.]
Many are afraid of a gotcha. I believe that subconsciously they understand their reasoning is flawed and that they will get caught out with logic. They want to avoid that at all costs. More confirmation bias
Because they have Pavlovian response to being caught out.
It's because they believe in a God that doesn't respect them enough to expect them to _give a shit_ whether the things people say about Him are true or not.
Faith is just magical, wishful thinking. An unverifiable anecdotal concept that can't prove something that is unknown.
Can you PROVE your claim that faith is just magical, wishful thinking?
If not, you hold that belief on faith (belief without PROOF) by definitiion. Otherwise, you are just lying.
Do you have evidence for that claim? If not your faith is blind credulity held without justification., Tyical atheist faith.
Faith is living in willful ignorance.
@@ajclements4627 Prove it. Otherwise your own claim is held on faith. Blithering fool.
Where is that proof spanky?
@@JimCastleberry
“Blithering fool”
20/10 projection.
I love when the theists call in and when asked a question say “I want to talk about this other thing”
It's totally okay, though. They believe in deflection.
"Belief is a subset of belief!" That is a damn fine quote!!
😆 atleast he tried. If he weren't taught to be so fearful of real knowledge maybe he wouldn't have missed that "knowledge" is supposed to be part of the sentence.
But it's also telling of his mindset. It's all belief for him, justified belief doesn't exist. Thus everything is reduced and made equal in his head, allowing him to throw out justification as a vital notion/component all together.
Whoops! Tautology!
If man cannot know him, how exactly did all the ridiculous drivel we call religion get foisted on us?
Dude, in the face of being told that the world slides BACKWARDS when we believe in shit before having justification/demonstrable proof of it, his answer was “yeah but feelings”. Fuck. Me.
I hope old dude has all that peace and soulfulness when he sees JUST how off track the world will continue to get with this idiotic system of belief.
Also, hell for withholding belief is tantamount to fucking a drunk person just in case they’d sober up and say no. It’s sick as fuck.
Pretty much every isolated civilisation on earth has made up its own myths and legends regarding origins and gods. It is human nature to make stuff up when we don't have all the facts and it just so happens that christianity is the most widespread religion in the West.
Some humans made some shit up, others believed it and here we are.
And, according to Dave, since god hides from "smart" people, does that mean you have to be stupid to believe in god?
that seems to be the trend....
That’s literally in the Bible, one of Paul’s epistles, about going to Athens.
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Isnt that basically the plot of the Emperors new Clothes?
There is a reason why they indoctrinate children as early as they can, sometimes even before kindergaren.
So in reality, the answer to one of your earliest questions is that he doesn’t care whether or not his beliefs are true, only that they feel good.
Thank you Dave, that was a masterful exhibition of cult thinking.
So he's impatient with science but god gets the pass?
Yeah this line of "thinking" drives me nuts. Why not just get comfortable with not knowing some answers instead of filling the gaps in your knowledge with bullshit? Is any bullshit good enough?
exactly. And hell, i've even asked why god's the primary turn-to when if it were truly something of the worst--the hurricanes on a wide scale. I mean if we were all brought here to suffer in these ways and even futuristic viruses, why the hell were we created to begin with? To witness god's meaning of lonliness?@@travis1240
The moment Dave heard them ask "So you fill in the gaps with God" he realized he just admitted to believing in the god of the gaps. Dude immediately applied the brakes and moved on.
Faith is for the weak, when they cannot handle their own lives and dont want to be responsible for their own mistakes😂
This caller is insane!
He's painfully confused
He has issues that are more severe than that Down syndrome that he felt a need to look down upon so casually.
I don't think he is very likable...
He's been indoctrinated since birth.
This is the best example of tap dancing around the truth I have ever heard.
"mmmh... yeah... if you want to go that way." it must be nice to be able to just brush off atrocities done in the name of your chosen deity.
the only way you can believe in a thing without evidence is to believe in the thing without evidence
That “glory of kings to show but God to conceal” quote is just another cope for why actual evidence is lacking.
@diogeneslamp8004 No, it just means if you want to know something badly enough you are not deterred by occasional disappointments, things you don’t yet understand o the mocking of naysayers. You will leave no stone unturned in your search - and if there is anything to be found - you WILL find it. God's promise to reward the diligent seeker will be worth the search.
@@wwlib5390 its interesting that humanity has strived for literal millenia to prove numerous gods existence to no avail but science seema to be rewarding people left and right 🤔
@@wwlib5390
You know the phrase “It’s not the destination, it’s the journey”? That’s fine for Harry Potter or a trip around Europe, but if the cost of the journey isn’t a Eurail pass but an eternity in torment, maybe God shouldn’t fuck around and just stop playing hide and seek, right?
We all have a limited time on this Earth. Unless you want to become a hermit or a monk to devote yourself to an uncertain pursuit, most of us have little time to devote to devotion when we’re so busy making ends meet, raising kids, enjoying our spouse, vacationing, working (work is fun, actually), reading a good book, listening to music, etc.-so busy, I say, that I don’t want to waste my time gazing at my navel unless the payoff is guaranteed. I have no reason to do the Jesus thing (or the Muhammad thing or whatever) because there are so many other things out there that can be equally fulfilling and more likely to actually be fulfilling.
@@wwlib5390 If you think like that, with your conclusions already made first, I would agree that it probably is inevitable that you WILL "find" what you're looking for. However, you find it through self-deception. People who look with honesty find nothing but smoke and mirrors.
@@Umbrage0 science is good for some things, for sure. But science is not meant to prove or disprove God but to find out how things already created work. God is therefore the initiator behind every scientific discovery.
That is a great line by Forrest at 34:29 -- “...and Hell awaits… because you used your brain… “.
The doctor hiding behind the tree is an amazing analogy!
Agreed! Definitely an example I'll sure in the future if I remember 😅😂
Around 25:50 Dave doesn’t want to wait for science to fill in all the gaps in our knowledge so he foregoes the one thing shown to lead to knowledge reliably, forgetting that he can’t actually determine whether what he “learned” is true.
It’s the triumph of impatience over rationality.
God of the gaps at it's finest
@@Kurokami112
Exactly.
Well said
@@madamsloth 👍
On the one hand, theists (usually christian) will say god requires faith to believe in him and have a relationship with him, and on the other hand, they deride atheism as requiring too much faith, as if faith is actually a bad thing to have
This is the weird cognitive dissonance that routinely happens.
The theists - as you say, usually Christian - will accuse atheism of "being a religion". That it is based on faith. They will - falsely - accuse it of being blindly dogmatic. They might point out that there is no evidence that atheism is correct and state that agnosticism is the only logical conclusion.
Okay. But, umm, aren't you promoting a religion? Is that religion not based on faith? Your religion is actually dogmatic, is it not? And if the only rightful conclusion is agnosticism, then should you not, therefore, be agnostic and not a member of your faith either?
It's a strange cognitive dissonance. Some kind of psychological projection.
That they accuse their enemy of being exactly that which they themselves are, but wield it in a negative and insulting way.
Fully able to comprehend why religion, faith and a lack of evidence is unreasonable for the atheist - which is entirely correct, except that, of course, atheism isn't a religion, atheist do not adopt it as a matter of faith (beyond the necessary axiomatic assumptions we all have to make - such as that reality is actually real and not an illusion to deceive us sent by Descartes' demon, that the laws of logic do add up and make abundant sense even if we cannot formally prove that to be the case, et cetera).
Yet completely blinkered to see that they are the epitome of the very thing they accuse.
Now, there is a basis by which this cognitive dissonance can exist - that FALSE religions are bad, but that the "true religion" they believe in is an exception to this, and so the same scrutiny does not apply.
But it's one hell of a thin line, isn't it? It's playing with fire to have that in your head, if you wish to remain religious for the long haul. Because you're only really one small doubt - one intrusive thought - from thinking "what if it's the other way around?" and demolishing your own faith on your lonesome there.
There is, at the heart of this, I feel, a universal acceptance that science is a true and real power. Because, well, we have computers, we have agricultural machinery, we have GPS satellites, we have planes, we have antibiotics and fertilisers, we have modern medicine, and myriad more examples of science leading to life-changing technologies.
And, like, in the face of this unassailable track record, it would be obtuse to pretend like science has no merit whatsoever. Like claiming black is white, when everyone can see it and it's right in front of their faces that this is blatantly not the case. It's an untenable position. No-one's going to believe you, when you're standing right next to the thing that proves you wrong and they can directly see you're wrong with their own two eyes.
To, you know, post on the Internet that computers can't possibly exist. It's obviously an untenable position when you're using the fruits of science to claim that science ain't got it right - but, umm, if science is wrong, then you could not possibly have that computer you've got to even tell me this in the first place. The fact I can even hear your message at all automatically proves that your message is false.
But it leads to this strange dissonant dance. That they must seemingly wield the tools of science - to seem reasonable, to argue logically, to appeal to evidence - whilst standing on a big mountain of myth that denies all of that.
It's not just a strange position to take. It's a strange position to be in, as they often quite flawlessly capture the scientific methodology, they fake reasoned argument far too perfectly, and argue the rightful weight of evidence like a pro.
To mimic your opposition so thoroughly, that it really cannot be possible that they don't actually fully understand the position. They can argue it exactly, so they must comprehend it. But something prevents them from actually adopting it (or at least be charitable enough to understand why someone would believe that, even if you don't, and leave them be).
But it is quite bizarre. The religious mocking someone else for being religious. The faithful accusing others of "having faith" and painting it as entirely a bad thing, whilst standing in that exact position themselves. Faking reasoned argument - even appealing to actual scientific facts that they've bothered to research and understand - to argue against the practice of reason.
It really is, to quote Jesus, a supremely "thou hypocrite!!" moment, for sure.
But it repeats. It's common. Somehow, there's a lot of it about.
Quite, quite bizarre. Some deeply weird human psychology is afoot.
Faith is a really horrible thing to have if you want to know the real truth. No idiot would intentionally blindfold himself and then go off driving, believing that "faith" will get him where he wants to go and keep him safe! That's stupid! Your faith has nothing to do with the truth or what the actual situation is
its an attempt to lower our position down to their level
I don't think it's helped by conflation of a/theistic with a/gnostic.
@@nealjroberts4050 what do you mean?
I need a Roland the magical Goblin T-shirt.
You were thinkin' that too? Forrest should totally consider this one on his page. Seriously, cause I think he'd look so badass.
It’s great to know that everybody who is using faith to arrive at beliefs, are simply “accessing truths.”
It’s amazing how many completely contradictory things can be true, all at once now, due to this amazing new philosophical discovery!
I like how the caller says you can use your head or you can use your heart, and when Armin asked him if he meant Heart metaphorically or literally, the question was ENTIRELY dodged.
Forrest leveled up on this call. Bravo! ☮
@20:52 - Dave: "(The Scientific Method) is the most reliable method but, some people don't want to wait until every single molecule is understood before they take a step..."
@25:04 - Dave: "So, I would love to explore more of this (the circular nature of reality) but, I'm not gonna wait the rest of my life to let scientific work do it's thing."
@34:37 - Dave: (In response to Armin's story of questioning God) "That answer will be answered, it's just a little bit delayed."
So, Dave says God will answer you if you give Him time but, science MUST have all the answers RIGHT NOW!!
You're two-faced Dave. Forrest tried to help you see this but... you have one set of rules for God and a completely different set of rules for everything else in your life.
How about you put the same restrictions on your God that you put on science and see how he measures up?
Not only that, he then goes on to say that delays are not always bad. WTF???
I watch your show quite regularly . As a fellow Atheist I see a lot of callers where I was 15 years ago . They're having doubts about their religion . Maybe they've had those doubts much longer .
I actually pretended to believe so I would not disappoint loved ones .
These people are having serious doubts in my opinion .
Dave: "Ummm... Let me think...." Don't hurt yourself.
Yes, trust someone who invented the concept of lying and told the first lie. Completely reasonable thing to do.
It is far wiser to say I do not know instead of just making stuff up
Or to disbelieve a proposition or belief when there is no evidence for.
A lot of gnostic theists aren't happy that their certainty of faith isn't matched by certainty of evidence.
20:57 I almost threw my phone in rage. THIS IS WHY THE WORLD IS GOING BACKWARDS! NO! It’s not not not not not not not NOT a virtue to believe in something sans proof!! NOOOOOO, you’re not “more better correct” because you bought in early, this isn’t a stock option!
It does my head in that people don’t get; faith and gullibility go hand in hand because in both instances, proving someone wrong is met with unreasonable doubt and IF the outlier proves true, they’ll think they stuck the landing before even jumping! FUCK! 🤦♂️
"When an honest man discovers that he made a mistake, he'll either stop making mistakes or stop being honest"
Dave tells Armin that his request to god will eventually be answered. But earlier he said he can't wait around for Science to answer every question. So which is it?
Making yourself believe first is literally Make-Believe. Ever heard of it?
He says you can gain "peace" by believing, then he admits he believes in Hell.
These psychopaths love the idea of torturing people forever
Armin's analogy of a 'trap' was spot on, important, and should be brought up more often.
Trying to justify hell turns people into such monsters...
I mean, they already have to defend slavery, what's an infinite Guantanamo on the side?
@@KentuckyBrad No it doesn't. You can bend over backwards to reinterpret passages that aren't about slavery to fit your prefered narrative all you want.
But at the end of the day, the bible only ever speaks in favour of slavery. It's an evil book.
@@KentuckyBrad not one verse speaks out against slavery, the closest you get is a prohibition against kidnapping other irealites.
@@KentuckyBrad
So you're not going to state it's just normal warfare or something like you do with the genocide?
@@KentuckyBrad run away Bradley " I've studied the bible for 25 years"
Run away Bradley doesn't know what the bible says. What a waste of 25 years.
God didn't create humanity in his image, humanity made God in our image. God is only one in many numbers of fictional characters in the bible.
It perfectly explains why God is a murderous, narcissistic, misogynistic asshole.
@@johnle231 There is zero evidence for the existence of any god. All you posted are unproven and evidence-free claims.
@@johnle231can you prove your assertions ?
@@johnle231i will ask again CAN YOU PROVE YOUR ASSERTIONS?
@@johnle231So you can prove those assertions, got it
Dave should realize the smart person would ask for evidence, faith can lead you in absolutely any direction and it's of no use in determining truth.
"I don't have time to wait for science to figure things out" but "well sometimes god doesn't answer right away"
It hurts to watch religion rot brains and standards
What solidified my atheism was free will. It isn't free will if you choose to not follow and then get punished for it with hell.
It's also not free will if Yahweh literally changes pharaoh's mind specifically to punish the entire nation with death and destruction in order to show off.
It's also not free will to be given a commandment not to kill, then being ordered to kill your son, then having your hand stayed during the attempted death blow because it was all just a prank.
If gullibility is the only way to communicate with this "supreme being", the "supreme being" is a fictional character.
I would ask the simple question to these people. If you had cancer and were given the option of chemo or other medical advancements, or prayer, which one would you choose. One that has scientific research backing it, or faith. I have feeling that most would choose chemotherapy, but would also pray. Then say it was Gods will that they recovered.
Absolutely that’s what they’d say. No Christian will pray cancer away, refuse treatment after being hit by a car. They all opt into medical/surgical intervention.
But they won't give god the blame if the person's cancer still ends up killing them
@@Mkeusquealbby
Nope, just the standard “they’re in heaven”, “it’s god’s will” and similar ridiculous statements.
I am presently dealing with 3 cancers at the moment ( skin, bone and lung) and was given 8-12 months to get my affairs in order ( that was 4 yrs ago)... Ive been doing chemo treatments since then and Im still around and no one has prayed for me, in fact 1 person offered and I politely told them to save their breath, use it to tell his wife he loves her instead. The intent is honorable I suppose but unrealistic....
@@bunnykiller
As a fellow human, I’m glad you’re still around.
Now I really want to know what Dave thinks of the belief that there is no god if he values belief this much
If god existed, you wouldn't have to believe in it.
And for any theists in the crowd
I dont believe in the color red.....does it require my belief to be real?
i have so much respect for the hosts and guests on shows like this. i dont think i have the patience for this.
I'd like to test that patience....do you "believe" the earth is billions of years old despite the guesswork and conjecture?
One of the most insulting things is being told it was my fault that God didn't show up when I spent years begging and crying for God to save my faith. If a crying, begging, desperate follower isn't "sincere" enough, then I don't think a theist could actually show what sincere enough would be.
I had a terrible day.... Roland the Closet Goblin changed this.... ergo he is real... thank you Roland.....
"Faith is the only unforgivable sin" is cult behavior. It doesn't get new members. It makes the current ones more willing to do things they're told, even if those things are unacceptable to most people. It no longer matters how evil the things you're told to do are, it only matters that you do them out of faith.
Dave is having serious doubts about his beliefs .
I can hear it in his voice .
He's making excuses to hang on desperately to his faith .
I'm so glad I went through that already .
So many people are in pain and still no answer .
Its a bad place .
This was the first every live stream I was able to catch. Every argument was more or less the same as every argument in the others. Christians really need some new evidence. Or any evidence at all
Why, you cannot defeat the evidence theists already argue. You can only lie and deny.
@@JimCastleberry "some book says a thing" is not evidence, goofball
@@JimCastleberry "it is written in your heart, and you know it" isn't evidence.
@@landsgevaer Nonsense! 1) A powerful instinct would be personal evidence, just not outwardly provable.
2) Your absurd attempt to reduce the scope of evidence to one thing is just dishonest straw-manning.
Atheism is held without the slightest evidence.
@@pangln Lying about the scope of theists evidence is just lying. You have no evidence. Lying atheist clown.
So, if I had "faith" that the one true god was Horus, the Egyptian god... that would make it true? Sounds a tad ridiculous.
Keep these callers coming. There is no greater endorsement for atheism. 😂
I can’t believe (no pun intended) how theists try to explain around simple questions. It’s so hilarious. Did he answer one single question, without going way off topic?
Well, if questions weren't leading or loaded, the answers would be simple to answer....
It's like if I asked an atheist.....did abiogenesis happen? Answer yes or no!
@@21divel *Well, if the questions weren't leading or loaded, then the answers would be simple to answer...*
Leaving aside your nonsensical usage of the word 'answer' here: no, the questions were neither leading, nor loaded, and if they were, then the caller would be able to and should point out when being asked those questions.
*It's like if I asked an atheist: did abiogenesis happen? Answer: yes or no!*
This is not a loaded or leading question at all. This only proves you do not understand what a loaded question is or what a leading question is. To answer the question: yes, it did happen. We have plenty of scientific evidence to support the fact of abiogenesis. I doubt you are emotionally or intellectually prepared to have a discussion about it, though.
Hmmmm...Faith is also the only access to the Easter Bunny...Weird how that happens
"Dave? Dave's not here." - Cheech and Chong
I’m wishing every atheist and theist that reads this the very best in life. Both today and in the future!!! We need more positive vibes in this world regardless of our beliefs or religious/political views. Good luck to all!
I wish christians would understand separation of church and state, and quit trying to take over my country with white supremecy.
If they do that, I will forget they exist.
Positive vibes won't solve real problems. Smart people often do.
FFS, I've never heard anyone avoid just plainly answering any and all questions asked of him. Every single time he gets a questions it's "well... um... okay, so what that makes me think...." and such.
I like Dave started talking about clever people
Obviously not from his own personal experience . The venn diagram of faith.
What happens if its pumping poison or connected to a toilet.
Faith is a belief without evidence. It’s not that tough. If you insist on evidence, faith exits stage right.
You along with most atheists folks missed the biblical definition of faith. Heb 11:1 faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen...
Faith is and should be evidence based. And there's A LOT of evidence for the biblical account
@@21divel That's a report, not evidence. Law enforcement doesn't consider testimony to be evidence. It can corroborate evidence, but it's not in and of itself entered as evidence.
So when my uncle Elwood who's in his 80s believes that the Nigerian on the phone needs his banking information for absolutely legitimate reasons, that's faith?
So when I when to the bathroom one night and didn't turn on the light, and there next to me I saw a huge spider ready to jump on me, and when I called my hubster in and he put on the light, it was a wad of yarn that my cat dragged in there--was my terror "faith"? I believed it was a deadly terrifying spider.
@@jenna2431 you're right, so when we find the evidence to corroborate the report such as the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah, the flood stories from ancient cultures around the globe, the "cambrian explosion" that is actually just the record of the biblical flood, DNA, multiple sources for Jesus, big bang, ...I could keep going.... considering the evidence, the biblical account of history should be taken seriously.
@@21divel*Heb 11:1 faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen...*
Which is just another way of saying "evidenceless belief." Thanks for proving our point.
Couldn't god NOT be invisible and simply show up to everyone? Do you have to be a smart person to know that your mother and father exist when they are standing right there in front of you? Wouldn't that be a better way for everyone to find god?
@@KentuckyBrad
Bullshite. IF he died, he’d still be dead. If he existed.
@@KentuckyBrad I wasn't alive 2,000 years ago, were you? 🤷♂
@@KentuckyBrad A book of fairy tales told you that story and you are gullible enough to believe it.
@@KentuckyBrad I should read about a character called jesus that never existed but is written about in a book of fairy tales that you think is god's word to me? How delusional are you?
@@KentuckyBrad Ok, so now you've admitted god hasn't actually show up to everyone. Now back to my original question, couldn't god not be invisible and simply show up to everyone?
thats pretty much admitting that the only way to access God is to pretend to do it. to literally make belief its existence.
Just got done playing dishonored 2 and this caller sounds so much like Vincent D'onofrio to me it makes this call that much more entertaining to me 😂
Dave: "I would rather believe in bullsh*t than wait for truth."
No religion has answers. They have replies that you are warned never to question or investigate.
Why wouldn't you question or investigate? The bible is full of stories of people who did exactly that.....and a bunch of "mess around and find out".
What answers do you have?????
@@21divel like when people happened to be the children of people God didn't like, so he told his people to slaughter them and use them as sex slaves.
@@lukesmithasada I think you're talking about Allah, not the God of the Bible.
Evil people were removed from the face of the earth.... it's called mercy, and also not allowing the bad apple to spoil the rest. You've got a lot to learn if that's what you think about God.
@@21divel Wow - so why would it matter if I have an individual relationship with a God who would command rape, murder, and enslavement? Apparently you've never read Judges, Deuteronomy, or anything in the Old Testament. Have you ever actually read the Bible? It appears you haven't.
Dave desperately needs something supernatural to look forward to when he dies. That seems to be the main key here. he WANTS there to be multiple realities.
"Someone with Down Syndrom"?!?!
Thanks Steve. Haven't had enough ableism from you guys in a hot minute
Callers like this are infuriating. Every time he gets boxed into an inescapable corner, he just starts babbling at a snail's pace, trying to buy himself enough time to make something up that might get him out of the corner. Dude, just acknowledge that you never had a point, you just had a "feeling," and then let someone else take a crack at it. It's just so pathetic to hear you try to squirm your way out of your own simple misunderstandings.
These calls are so frustrating because it always comes down to they believe cuz they want to and content with self delusions.
Kinda like how atheists believe in abiogenesis despite lack of evidence, or that the earth is billions of years old despite all the guesswork that goes into the calculations?
PRAISE BE TO ROLLAND THE CLOSET GOBLIN
Love you guys. 💜
I love the fact that they use and respect pronounces❤
These callers never answer the questions. It’s always the Bible says this and that. They do know it’s a book of ambiguous nonsense that can mean whatever you want it to. You could get the same thing from a bunch of fortune cookies. They can’t get a grip on how life can adapt and change over considerable time but magic invisible beings makes sense.
Less than a minute in; 'People who aren't very smart, right?...to put it this way. God is invisible...'
Do theists ever really listen to what they are saying?
I believe the cognitive dissonance abilities that they gain when they get into a cult deafens them as a side effect
Accept the results first and then justify everything that seems to contradict it. There is no way out unless you question the very foundation of it, which in the system, you are not allowed to do.
And the Sorcerer's Stone is the only access to eternal life. Damn you Nicholas Flamel
I have faith that faith is a terrible tool to determine what exists.
I kind of like that...
I have evidence that faith is a terrible tool to determine anything.... LOL
Not in your brain but your heart. That is a cop out.
"you don't need it to pump - water is already here..." - "where?" - "here... you need just to accept that water is already here before you pump it and then water is already here... because you have accepted it... and you don't need a pump..."
Just make believe.
This poor guy was desperately trying to come across as a “deep” thinker. I feel bad for him cause it really seemed like he thought he was onto something mind blowing when it all was extremely simplistic & ridiculous…
That's our thought when atheists come out with scripture and misquote, misconstrue and take it out of context to make your points. Simplistic interpretations
Cite one of these out of context/misquotes for me to look into. Just don’t point me to something & say “but it’s meant to be taken as…”
@@CaptainRedBull There are many.....but one of the most popular criticisms of the old testament is when God destroyed a people. Yet those same folks who condemn God for destroying evil people, turn around and ask why God allows evil and destruction. It's idiocy.
Every time I’ve heard an example like that it’s always been to point out that it couldn’t have been all evil people that were destroyed. How could children have been considered evil when wiping out a population - there are parts of that which would be completely unjustifiable & therefore could be considered an evil act in itself. This is why a lot of people can say with confidence “if the stories in the Bible are accurate, I’m more moral than God”…Because it’d be true. Children can’t be condemned for the actions of their parents or grandparents & to say otherwise would be ridiculous.
@@21divel God commanded his followers to take child sex slaves. Justify that.
I cringe every time I remember that I used to sound like that. Rationalisation after rationalisation.
We're all going to know for sure in the end...
No we aren't...ffs
@@SNORKYMEDIA You haven't died yet...💀
How direct Armin was about Dave being amongst those brainwashed that either allow or further strengthen the most episodes of crazy around this world due to the idiotic trend of lying to themselves was pretty epic.
I would also have called out his early statement where he put human intelligence on a scale "from people with Down syndrome on up to the greatest genius" or whatever. Which is incredibly insulting to people with Down syndrome.
Can't believe this call went beyond 10 min, let alone 30... Dave talked and said nothing except debunk himself with contradictions
Funny how you only have evidence for something after you believe in that thing - it’s like confirmation bias is required…
Watching from England you should have warned me he’s so boring I would have bought a tin of paint so I could watch it dry
11:02 YES!!!!!!! A thousand times yes!