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- The Atheist Experience 26.41 for October 9, 2022 with Forrest Valkai and Dave Warnock
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As a former Christian myself, all I have to say is, "There's no hate like Christian love."
They never ever never listen. I get a bigger audience talking to my self.
Wow, after almost 70 years of being an athiest I suddenly find I'm trendy. Who'd have thunk it?
You were ahead of your time.
“atheist”
Clearly you were just way, way ,way ahead of the trend curve!
Someone show that guy the rates of atheism in US politics vs the amount of "avowed" atheists. He thinks we're lying when we're open but no, we're lying, and working, in wait 😂
I‘m atheist since i was born. We already won because the avg. atheist is 10x more intelligent than the avg. theist.
lol “I’m not a bigot, I just agree with and live by the word of a book that says bigoted things.”
“I believe gays are going to hell, but don’t blame me, it’s what God says” 🤦♂️
@@Godlimate love your enemies, bless those who curse you.
@@Godlimate "I'm not the one who's killing you, it's my god!"
Or, in other words, "stop hitting yourself!"
Such as?
Naw. Its Right in Front of You
The person is saying God is the Existence of Love. Everyone Obviously Believes Love Exists.
Atheists Unnecessarily Overcomplicate it
It's a Shame
As a Finnish atheist - I doubt this caller knows anything about atheism or Finland.
I doubt that stupid test was ever even made...
Absolutely clueless.
He could visit W Europa, more than 50% of the people he will meet are probably Atheists. From Belgium.
Apistevisti Suomesta on samaa mieltä
Saying most Finnish people aren't really atheists is like saying most Finnish people aren't really Metalheads. There's no data to back that up. Finnish people are born atheist and the doctors gives them a Metal instrument. It's just a fact
"People suffer from HIV coz god has cursed them"
What a lovely person this guy is!! Spreading the love of god the almighty curser!
HIV is a FRAUD!!!! We are in a Holy War against 6 and 7 nations... The Medical industry is the Medes... they are the serpent people ... ALL THE WORLD'S MYTHOLOGIES warn us of a shapeshifting race of beings... Everything MED is them... that is merely 1 nation .. All medicines are poisons that come from poisonous plants of the MEDiterranean ... They are the MEDia... look for snake shape shifting news anchors... They are the Medes... The very first thing I learned from reading the bible is there are more than one species of mankind... although your eyes cannot tell them apart! HIV = FAKE (I offer a video on the subject!!!)
Wages of sin is death if GOD not love us then we never able to see sunlight it is of his mercy we still live and some of us curse GOD but he still keep provide us with life evryday. When sin enter the world all this things come disease death all bad things . We still have opportunity today to accept JESUS and HE will help us to gain victory over sin and save us and it is very soon
@@GODiscomingsoonagain You must know the Father to reach his Christ... EVERYTHING about Christian instruction are lies... JESUS is Real... but Christianity is a fraud... it is the zodiac religion ... and it is pure deception... I AM not wrong friend.... there is a secret wisdom!!!!
@@GODiscomingsoonagain Oh please. Let Jesus show up already. I've been hearing this coming soon bullshit all my life, 65 years. Put up or shut up.
@@abc456f oh yeah HE WILL SOON RETURN be ready
I said to a girl "the Bible says horrific things" and without missing a beat she replies, "no it doesn't."
"Have you ever read the Bible?"
"Only bits in Church."
You can't get through to these people.
I stated reading the ‘Rivers of Babylon’ psalm to my wife and she started singing along to the Boney M song. Then I read her the last line and she went ‘urgh, where the hell did that come from’.
The bible in a nutshell, a catchy little ditty with a murderous ending.
“Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.”
I find that to be true of a lot of religious people. They haven't actually read their books. They just got from the nice tidbits some preacher has told them and that only affirm their delusions. And even when confronted with the bad bits they dodge that too with stupid reasons like "that's in the old testament, that's not meant to be taken literally, that was the thinking back then, god changed his mind" etc etc ad nauseam!
I agree. At least three times, Forest turned his answers right back into him in spectacular fashion and he just stick to his script
Actually reading the Bible, especially the Old Testament, is precisely what started me down the path to atheism. The God in that book is a mean, petty, vengeful, cruel deity utterly unworthy of worship. Fear, yes. Worship, no.
A Jehovah’s Witness emailed me a bit ago, so to humor them, I asked them about Numbers 31:1-18, and they replied “I’m pretty sure the Bible wasn’t endorse CSA!” but never gave an alternative explanation to what that part of the Bible was supposed to mean once the Israelites conquered (and exterminated) the Midainites.
Guess they just kept the _virgin_ girls as pets 🤷♂️
Hi! Atheist since birth here! My parents told me ancient greek fables when I was little, so when I heard christian stories I assumed they were similar, invented stories to teach morals and stuff.
When I first realized people ACTUALLY believed that christianity was factually true, I was quite shocked, and spent some years trying to wrap my head around that concept. Now I perfectly understand why most people believe in religions. I absolutely don't agree with them, but I understand it.
(It's mostly fear of death)
And fear of having to be adult instead of being child who can trust that their parents know what to do and what's best.
Yup. They want that seat in the eternal retirement village in the sky and will reject pretty much all reason and rationality to get there. Very sad.
i was the same, i think i was 6 or 7 when i realised people took all those (to me) fairytales seriously and i was dumbfounded
@@jljljl1820 Wooo, the first one I ever heard about with my same experience! It took me a lot longer, mainly because in my country it's something extremely widespread but basically almost never talked about. I was talking about D&D deities with my at the time best friend, and when I talked about them at the same level as the christian god, he looked at me like I was crazy or something. That was the heaviest "ding" of my life XD
Same here. Born and raised atheist. It was mine boggling to find out that adults believes that nonsense. I drew very clear lines in the sand at that point.
True arrogance is telling people what their beliefs are and aren't.
Without evidence.
For example, if someone claims to believe that honesty is good but has been caught lying and deceiving many times, then anyone can tell that either they don’t really believe that honesty is good or are dishonest hypocrite.
@@valivali8104 I believe thats a tu coque fallacy. Doing something bad doesnt necessarily mean you condone that bad thing. If someone was on a stabbing spree and was only stabbing people from your town, would you tell that person where you are from if theybheld you at knifepoint and asked? Or a better example, you can be a smoker and still 100% believe that smoking is bad.
No it's called telling them the truth... Mankind has been lied to by the wiccans you cheer for!!! !!! I CURE ATHEISM IN 10 MINUTES.... SEVERAL THOUSANDS CURED WORLDWIDE!!!!
@@EustaBAracer I know that there are situations when people have to lie, deceive or strech truth; but if someone claims to believe that honesty is good but lies and deceives several times, and to gain something, avoid taking responsibility, to hurt others, etc. (like they are jealous so they tell lies to try and turn others against person who is causing them to feel jealous), who would believe them and not tell that they doesn’t really believe that honesty is good?
@@valivali8104 I misinterpreted your first comment. I see your point wasnt just about saying X and doing Y being hypocritical. it's more about saying X and never ever doing X while constantly claiming X is the true good thing to do. My bad.
I love how you shut this bigot down and put him in his place at the end of the call. He can only pretend to be a good person for so long. He probably never gets challenged for his hateful rhetoric like this, so thank you for the work you're doing.
I'm sure he's fine.
Matt Dillahunty would have shut this idiot down in less than half the time!
@@cajunking5987 Didn't he say how god was good at one point? Either he condones or he approves of the explicit bigoted behavior.
As such, personally I can't agree
@@cajunking5987 Being a bigot and being ignorant are not mutually exclusive though.
I especially liked the way the hosts bid farewell to the believer.
I just love getting told I'm a liar by someone I never met
Getting called a liar by someone who believes a book of lies is just so fun, right?
You are a liar... you are also a fool! !!! I CURE ATHEISM IN 10 MINUTES.... SEVERAL THOUSANDS CURED WORLDWIDE!!!!
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It’s the stupidest argument any theist can make, and I’ve heard it a bunch of times. It’s like telling someone they don’t really like their favourite food. The other person knows how silly the person claiming that is.
I would call you a liar , I’d say that your most likely an atheist for emotional and not intellectual reasons .I remember being blocked on Twitter by Matt dillahunty for calling him an expert on near death experience science .
Obviously I meant it in a sarcastic way but I just have caught him on a sensitive day hehe
I say all this because most of the atheist influencers and intellectuals today offer mostly emotional arguments .
There are still atheists that I read today even though I’m no longer an atheist myself .
People like roger penrose
Stuart hameroff
David chalmers
Michael ruse
John beloff even though he passed away .
These were all what I’d call open minded atheists . The rest are mostly popularizers
His shocked pikachu face when Forrest told him he wouldn’t worship god even if proven to exist was great. He wanted to know if atheists were being truthful, he just wasn’t prepared to have it stated so bluntly
That was a golden moment. :)
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At least he sounded like he had a shocked Pikachu face. Hard to tell from just a call-in program what someone's face is like.
Problem is that this probably doesn't change his mind. I feel like he'll become one of those people who says "Atheists know god exists, they're just angry at him"
As an atheist, I 100% do it because it makes me really cool and edgy and it makes everyone like me.
Wait no it doesn’t
I mean.. I think atheists are cool people who have thought their arguments all the way through. I strive to be a decent, kind, strong individual who doesnt fall for indoctrination and dogmatic propeganda.
Atheism is cool, yo.
It's such a dumb arugment. I grew up and lived in California for 30 years. Even then it wasn't cool to be an atheist.
@@The_Transformed_Husband It's possible that the caller is some college kid. In some university settings, kids feel more empowered to declare their atheism that they may not have been able at home.
My mum thinks you're cool.
Everyone's different. We disagree on issues like trans rights and abortion, the same as theists. I received an e-mail the other day from American Atheists, and it was about fighting well-funded Christian Nationalism and over 100 extremist pastors. Religious and Non-Religious are joining forces to help. I thought that was pretty cool, like dwarves, elves and men setting aside their differences to fight the orcs, goblins and wargs together.
When I was young, I didn't think people were being truthful about being religious. I thought it was just stories not to be taken seriously. When I realised that people actually believed in it, it dawned on me that adults weren't infallible, and sometimes had no clue what they were talking about.
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Exactly
@@starlaminde8436 !!!! I CURE ATHEISM IN 10-MINUTES OR LESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THOUSANDS CURED WORLDWIDE!!!!
I’m with you on this one. I’ve always been amazed that people could believe those crazy stories as if they’re real! 600 yo men? Talking snakes? Like wtf?
@@crispyblack8779 The third book of the bible teaches how to human sacrifice and there is a "hidden" bible ... if you find out why for each of these statements. then you'll know the great secret!!!! + talking snakes are called Medes... like the MEDical symbol of the MEDia... MEDications are ALL poison
Dave is always great and Forrest is nothing short of a rising rockstar
Ikr? Old lady wondering if Dave is married? Actually they both are a turn on but Forrest is like my grandson! How about it Dave?
I love that you immediately called out the polygraphs being pseudoscience! What kind of study would use those in their research methodology. That makes the whole thing feel made up
Bunch of "christian" studies out there affirming dogma and belief
Kinda like those implicit bias association tests, amiright? Total pseudoscience. Wonder which is bigger woo? Polygraphs or implicit bias association!
Polygraphs aren't reliable, which is why they aren't admissible in court.
It measures more how calm subject is than how much subject lies...
Hmm, I think it’s not so much ‘made up’, as highlighting the lack of critical thinking steps taken to reach conclusions with these people. They grab at anything that supports their ideas, however weak.
He lost me at “even though people are starving, at least they aren’t alone”.
Edit: listening again, he lost me before then, but that was the cherry on top of losing me
He really went there.
Moreover, there are plenty of believers who are lonely too. I can't even count the number of times that I've heard from believers who were concerned that "God didn't speak to them" (apparently unlike other believers). And every church I ever went to had their group of outcasts.
Belief in God does not always save one from the negative emotional aspects of the world.
I'm an atheist, thankfully not starving and I'm not alone. I'm part of many communities, just not any religious ones.
Besides how silly it is to compare having food with being part of a group, even if we grant him that, it holds no water.
@@martinmckee5333 This is true.. there are believers outta there that are feeling isolated and lonely... and they limk this into being a "sinner or always been sinning since day 1 and god is pissed off at them" or maybe they have failed to "pray more everyday".... There are literally lost souls inside the church
When a Christian thinks I’m being trendy when I tell them I’m an atheist, I know exactly why they picked their religion.
That caller is a prime example of someone who doesnt know that he doesnt know what the fark hes talking about, but carries on as if he has the moral high ground and has all the answers. That, children, is your brain on religion, dont do religion or you too may end up as confused and delusional as that caller.
I don't know about god, but I can certainly believe I'm smarter than that caller.
Totally agree cobba, well said. 💯
@@uncleanunicorn4571 Given the caller IS his god, there is essentially no difference...
In a nutshell, this guy is a prime example of why I am. and always have been, an atheist. I want nothing to do with people who think that way. PERIOD!
He’s basically saying all atheists are lying to get attention. Which is insulting but what else would you expect from someone who believes in magical Jewish zombies with not a stitch of tangible evidence. It’s not arrogant to be an atheist. It is arrogant to believe you’re the most special creation in the entire universe and everyone else is going to burn for eternity for not agreeing with your nonsensical childish beliefs.
Ahhh, isn't existence nice?
Ah, the mind of the theist. If you listen closely, you can hear a hamster struggling to spin the wheel.
@@ajclements4627 OH no not Mr Whiskers
Cultists can't understand reality.
Well said bro
I am an atheist because I have no choice.
The evidence for a god consists of man made stories and faith based claims.
Atheists, Agnostics, and Fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian Religions KNOW that they hate the CREATOR, rejected him as worthless and useless, not worthy and deserving to be honored and obeyed as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father.
The CREATOR also KNOWS that all Atheists, Agnostics, and Fanatics of all Religions hate his CHRIST, rejected his authority, TRUTHS and righteousness as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their lives and existence.
The CONSEQUENCE is clear as daylight -
All Atheists, Agnostics, and Fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian Religions who hate and rejected the CREATOR's Sovereignty and his CHRIST's authority, Truths and righteousness as worthless and useless are worthless and useless human beings who'll just become wothless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths.
Excellent and simple reply.
I told a very small child that some bears are accountants, and they believed me! Proof that accountant bears are real!
I’m constantly amazed by how stupid humans can make themselves in this age of information
This is why GOD is 2000% real because generation trough generation GOD still have his faithfull people past today and future
Indoctrinating children that you will burn in he'll forever can cause trauma for sure, and child abuse to many
@@lindarockafellow5058burn forevr is false teaching. It tell clear that the wicked will burn to ashes. And also tell in rev 21:8 that will die the second death it means end of the day you will die not burn forver. Revelation21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
It's because misinformation spreads just as quickly as true information.
@@GODiscomingsoonagain *" This is why GOD is 2000% real because generation trough generation GOD still have his faithfull people past today and future "*
By this logic, Vishnu is also real. Which means you now hold contradictory positions as God is supposedly the only god.
Additionally, Hinduism is roughly two times as old as Christianity is, meaning "Vishnu is 4000% real because more generations through more generations still have their faithful people past today and future."
I hope you see the logic in your logic and logic'd your way to become a Hindu now.
I'm an atheist with no religious trauma, but I have social anxiety. My lie detector would be pinging like crazy only because a person is engaging me in conversation lol
I was thinking the same thing! I would fail a lie detector test simply because I know they think I'm lying.
The study in question asked about wishing harm on people. And inserted questions with god doing the harm to the same persons.
So if someone gets a reaction, it would be because of the harm to i.e. parents.
It sooner shows the god thing is an internal thing than 'atheists believe in god'. And whole websites change it to a religious narrative. Surprise surprise.....
same for me lol, at least sometimes
It’s like Dodgeball w/ this guy.
Deflect, distract, discombobulate, dissuade, and deflect.
U forgot deflect.
Yep just keeps moving those goal posts
Discombobulate!
If you can dodge an atheist you can dodge a god.
@@rugby05rugby Start with wrenches.
I grew up an atheist, I'm now 60. It's not a fad.
Exactly the same as me and I'm 60 as well
Wow! Me too.
He sounds so indoctrinated not to question anything that he can’t even seem to fathom someone a) not believing in a god and b) not worshipping a god that, if it’s real, is by all evidence atrocious.
Also, me being an atheist has zero effect on me or anything I do anymore than me not believing in mermaids does.
He'd rather have answers that can't be questioned than questions that could be answered.!
Definitely indoctrinated
Are you sure? After all, you haven’t disproven that there is God who withholds evidence of divinity intentionally in order for us to rely on faith like say Jesus Christ.
If he is truly divine and has a definite set program that has the potential for eternal happiness if we follow it in our best efforts, wouldn’t your atheism have an impact regarding the state of one’s eternal existence?
If there is a God like that, I would consider him unworthy of worship. Although, there would be some gratitude for existence, but that does not excuse the many varied and cruel atrocities he has committed, ordered, inspired, and allowed over the last few thousand years. That is from my human perspective, however, and humans have only existed for a small fraction of time. Before we impressed our morals and sense onto the world around us, this planet got along fine for billions of years with the wondrous beauty and bestial savagery of nature in the name of balance and survival. It will likely continue to do so long after we cease to exist, unless we end up milking the planet dry by then. The origin and future path of life in the grand scheme of things is awe inspiring, potentially unknowable, tenacious and unpredictable. All we can do is continue searching for answers, and apply our own purpose, or take what meaning we can, in the time we know we have. Some choose to spend that time they know they have worrying about a time when they will be still be conscious somehow while simultaneously being physically deceased and lacking brain activity, which all evidence aside from some differing personal testimonies indicate will never come.
@@blackhat4206 Well, considering that it’s not believed that there is a God who continues to let innocents suffer for eternity and considering that thus mortal life, whether it be a few minutes or for over a century, compared to eternity it’s but a fleeting moment.
Also, if it was agreed before we were born between us and God that we would be willing to have this life of atrocities to face as being a means to be tested to see how we would handle treating each other as a way for us to become better people than we were before when the opportunity is given and helps us to have a perfected eternal existence how is it fitting that we would blame that God for being immoral when we agreed to be tested by being born into this life in the first place?
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"I rather be single than starve to death"
Put that on a shirt, Forrest!
“But you’ll die alone…”
Spoiler alert: everyone dies alone! Taking that last great leap in the dark (as Hobbes put it) is an experience that you won’t be able to share with anyone!
It’s part of life - accept it.
The arrogance of thinking you know the minds of thousands of people never ceases to amaze me. Also, Dave summed it up perfectly when he said he wanted nothing to do with the caller or his god. As a lesbian atheist, thank you for being an ally to the LGBT+ community ♥️
I once saw a documentary featuring holocaust survivors, and I remember one man said, “When I go to heaven, God has to answer to ME and beg MY forgiveness.”
I've been an atheist since I was thirteen years old. I grew up in a catholic home, I went to a catholic school, I attended church every sunday, the whole shebang. Never once felt the "hand of god" in my life. I wasn't able to articulate my doubts very well at the time, but my favorite go-to line was "If god wants me to believe, he can rip open the sky and tell me to." A friend of mine always said that I wasn't really an atheist, that I just said I was to be cool. I was the furthest thing from cool growing up. How could saying that I'm an atheist suddenly change that? Especially in the environment I grew up in.
You never felt the hand of god?
Well, you're even more lucky you didn't feel the hand of priest.
A girl from a different school than mine got molested when i was in grade school.
The family sued the priest, it was in the local radio news. Nothing happened. The priest just got transferred, and the issue was swept under a rug.
What a god, he prioritizes the freewill of the molester, but screw the freewill of the victim.
Same story here, Catholic school and the works. Took me a little longer to suss the church out for what it is, but I managed the transition to atheism without causing any scenes. I just stopped going to church.
You were believing the wrong version of a god, that's why you never felt anything.
Praise Sheela Na Gigs
Since the 'god' at the centre of Christianity is the Sun nobody has felt the 'hand of god' just sunshine on them.
@@andrewharper1609 I can't recall anywhere in the bible saying that god is the sun.
I'm a third generation non-believer. Believe me, it's true. I didn't hear about religion inside my family, but outside of it. And when I asked my mother, she she said it's something people made up.
The impetus for my question was when a child minder told me I was going to Hell at age 6 for singing something I had heard on 'Sesame Street' and I was confused because I didn't know what Hell was.
So, you can see that I wasn't left with a good impression of religion and religious people from a young age. And the more I learned about religions, the less I liked them.
I can't leave the comment I want to because my feelings regarding this guy are uncharitable to say the least. It's pretty staggering, and I'm glad that Dave and Forrest have said the things I'd like to say for me.
Hating minority groups was not the win the caller thought it was.
And he continues to spout on about how “cursed with diseases” they are even *after* his initial claim is credibly debunked!
“You know when you’re like a teenager” He said to two grown adults. This started out poorly and went worse. What a wild call.
“Let me reject science, studies and the scientific method on a daily basis… until I find one study that I can twist to fit my narrative 🤩”
all science (knowledge ) is Gods , he wrote the laws that govern the universe
“I’m just seeing things in front of my eyes”
Same exact thing every bigot, and intellectually apathetic person says. Won’t look up from beyond his room unless he’s reading something that already agrees with him. It’s all 100% personal to him and he’s able to say “clearly this is about me” when he sees anything.
Narcissism… And he thinks his “god” backs his dishonesty and emotional entitlement.
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Loved this video! You guys said it all for me. I lived in the bible belt and I was so sick of hearing how people were being punished, that didn't live right. They honestly believe that. My favorite quote is - only a cruel man follows a cruel god. Thomas Paine.
And they insist that their god is all loving. ( Very sad isn't it?)
FACING ALL IMPERFECT, SUFFERING, AND DYING HUMAN BEINGS IS NOT ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD AND GODS BUT A REAL, EXISTING, AND RAGING BATTLE TO THE DEATH -
SATAN'S ANTI-CHRISTS
VS.
the CREATOR'S CHRIST
ETERNAL DEATH as CONSEQUENCE for the vanquished
ETERNAL LIFE as REWARD for the victors
ETERNAL DEATH as CONSEQUENCE -
All imperfect, suffering and dying human beings who hate the Creator and believe the LIES and foolishness of Satan's ANTI-CHRISTS about Armageddon, rapture, Trinity, Immortality of the souls or the heaven and hellfire, and reincarnation will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths.
ETERNAL LIFE as REWARD -
All imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who worship the CREATOR and believe the TRUTHS and righteousness of his CHRIST about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead will be REWARDED and honored with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths.
Worshippers of the Creator and believers of the Christ will also become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths, but unlike all haters of the Creator and believers of the anti-Christs, they will not remain as worthless dusts forever, instead at the Creator's own good time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life.
After their resurrection, the Creator will let them live and exist forever on a safe and peaceful planet earth without terrorists, criminals, and militaries, without arrogant, cruel, and hateful persons, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, and hypocrites, without funeral homes and cemeteries.
Worshippers of the Creator together with their loving, kind, and respectful families, friends, and neighbors will enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the CREATOR and his CHRIST for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler, Jesus Christ.
Good rule to follow: judge the religion by its adherents.
I also grew up in a very Christian environment, so I heard all of that stuff as well. But I'd also like to add that these people also derive some sick pleasure from it. They take so much joy at the thought of God punishing sinners.
There were many reasons why I stopped believing, but this right here was the first thing that gave me the push I needed to start deconversion.
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The whole "we live in a fallen world" and "are all sinners" shits me and is harmful imo. They also seem to be looking forward to "the end times" way too much.
If Believer In God adds "On Television" to his moniker, his initials will spell out what he actually is.
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Thank "Dog" that I'm an Atheist! Because on Sunday instead of going to Church; I get to Sleep in! Watch Football! Eat Pizza & Drink Beer!
Beware of GOD
Brian because he loves us?
@@lindarockafellow5058 No, because he bites.
I was raised catholic but when I grew up and asked questions, I realized it was all a silly little lie people agree to do that they don’t have to think about the consequences of their thoughts, choices, and compulsions.
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I consider myself a "Recovering Catholic". It justifies my being a "Practising Alcoholic". It's an effective conversation killer. 😄
Forrest is so good at this. I could listen to him for hours.
Got news for the caller, i’m bi, and I’m married to another woman. So i did get married and i’m not lonely. I even have a daughter.
Does he seriously go with the idea that you HAVE to get married and it has to be opposite sex based? JFC, this guy isn't even trying to be subtle, he's playing victim and then complaining that no one likes him because he voices utter ridiculous ideas and thinks he should be accepted without question
@@ToHoldNothing he pretty much said that at the end of the call yeah
@@oliviawilliams6204 The idea that it's better to die conforming is telling when, assuming he's Christian, that is literally the opposite. "The road is narrow to salvation," as the gospel puts it
@@ToHoldNothing conforming to what tho?
@@ajayrife Conforming to his preconceived ideas he thinks "make sense". The credulous idiocy is so dense, it's grating. And somehow it's "better" if people are married, yet starve to death or die of disease
Whenever a theist says “to be honest” I always take it with a pound of salt.
Take it with a ton.
More like a pillar😂
"At least the guys in ISIS actually believe in something." ~A real thing a guy said to me
Wow! Did he also compliment the nazis on their sincerity?
Religion is a pervasive cacer
As if that were a virtue. The naked ape is a pretty scary piece of garbage when you look at it. How do you reason with someone like that?
If that's the alternative, I would rather believe in nothing. I've never been able to choose my beliefs, though. Always felt like I'd basically just be lying to myself in the hopes of achieving a sense of wonder or comfort at best.
@@blackhat4206 Yeah, that's been my gripe. The heretic vs anankastic, or choosing vs forcing, belief dichotomy. I think beliefs may be more of the latter, but those that poorly attempt to theistically proselytize me online, some with idle threats, seem to think it's firmly the former - like I'm standing at a lightswitch refusing to flick it on out of spite. I'd need some incentive, like a convincing revelation that I'm mistaken, to compel a change in mind. I could choose to seek it out, try to think through whatever the threshold is, but even then that may not force a change in perspective. My prior knowledge, preconceived ideas, & predispositions may pose as too much of a barricade in some cases, like mystic character & cosmic thaumaturgic skepticism.
I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. I studied the bible for thousands of hours and it led me to atheism.. Now, my whole family is shunning me, just because I do not believe.. how cool is that (sorry if I made mistakes, English is not my mother tongue, feel free to correct my errors)
Good on you for sincerely studying and coming to a rational conclusion and being honest to yourself and others about it my friend. I hope your family eventually sees reason as well. Stay safe man.
Your English is fine.
I bet you are never shunned by aethiests
Some good old ostracism based on religion.
This guy doesn't even realize how dangerous and sick he sounds, it's scary.
In a number of European countries and here in Australia, nearly the majority of the populations are atheists or non believers. The great majority of those populations don't go around dyeing their blue or some other color to be a trendy atheist.
My Norwegian ex had never met anyone who even believed in God. I mean, I suppose he did and they simply did not bring it up but as far as he knew, he never interacted with a single believer.
He did not even believe that adults genuinely believed in God, not in the industrialized world in the present day.
@@Nocturnalux Are you telling me that he doesn't believe in a talking snake that used to have legs but lost them when he dared the first human female to eat a fruit for once?
@@Nocturnalux I'm Norwegian. I was friends with someone for two years before I realized she believed in god 😅 It just never came up. Generally, in the nordics and scandinavian countries, the default is not believing in any god. We will assume everyone around us doesn't believe in god until they tell us they do in casual conversation. Sure, there are fundamentalist in Norway as well, but it's a small group and they are usually localized in a few areas of the country.
@@jquest99 Not only did he not believe it, he had a very hard time comprehending how anyone could possibly believe such things.
Having never been exposed to childhood indoctrination, nor the social pressures to conform, he simply could not get it. He had also never given much thought to it, let alone read about it so the whole thing was a mystery to him.
@@amalielk Yep.
In my case, it cause friction- not because I was a believer, I was not, but because my ex could not understand what childhood indoctrination does to someone. The damage my religious upbringing did to me is not something I can just “get over”, it is the kind of thing that leaves lasting effects, often for life.
His attitude had more to do with his lack of experience with such things coupled with an unwillingness to actually consider them. Just because it was irrelevant to him, does not mean it is irrelevant to everyone else.
It was impossible for me to all address this with him as all he did was roll his eyes and expect me “get over it”.
I read a book about Norwegian fundies, “Girls Against God”, and it is chilling. I wish he would read it.
I'm an athiest, been one my entire life. I live in the UK and went to a Church of England school. We had to pray before meals, had to listen to stories of the bible, sing hymns, perform nativity plays and such but I never believed any of it was true. If you had asked me at that time what my religion was, I would have said Church of England because thats what I thought I was supposed to say, I prayed etc. but didn't believe. I didn't know what an athiest was to label myself such. When I was 18, I began training to be a nurse. I witnessed death for the first time and because of that I started to want to believe. I desperately wanted to believe because I desperately wanted to know that there was life after death. I went to church and attended prayer groups. It took me maybe three months to realise I was never going to be able to believe. So saying that we naturally gravitate towards theism is completely wrong.
I kind of feel like this guy just really wants to dye his hair a "trendy" color but is afraid….dye that hair
Wait. Does this mean we're cool now?
I'm going to dye my hair blue to celebrate...
I can certainly attest as someone who has never believed in a god, that no, these discussions don't make me `nervous.` I think part of the reason why making these types of claims is easy for theists is because their belief is the core of their world view. It's everything to them. It's nothing to me. My interest in it at all is how *their* belief affects *my* environment. Ya know, like accusing me of being a liar, simply because I don't believe what they do.
FACING ALL IMPERFECT, SUFFERING, AND DYING HUMAN BEINGS IS NOT ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD AND GODS BUT A REAL, EXISTING, AND RAGING BATTLE TO THE DEATH -
SATAN'S ANTI-CHRISTS
VS.
the CREATOR'S CHRIST
ETERNAL DEATH as CONSEQUENCE for the vanquished
ETERNAL LIFE as REWARD for the victors
ETERNAL DEATH as CONSEQUENCE -
All imperfect, suffering and dying human beings who hate the Creator and believe the LIES and foolishness of Satan's ANTI-CHRISTS about Armageddon, rapture, Trinity, Immortality of the souls or the heaven and hellfire, and reincarnation will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths.
ETERNAL LIFE as REWARD -
All imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who worship the CREATOR and believe the TRUTHS and righteousness of his CHRIST about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead will be REWARDED and honored with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths.
Worshippers of the Creator and believers of the Christ will also become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths, but unlike all haters of the Creator and believers of the anti-Christs, they will not remain as worthless dusts forever, instead at the Creator's own good time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life.
After their resurrection, the Creator will let them live and exist forever on a safe and peaceful planet earth without terrorists, criminals, and militaries, without arrogant, cruel, and hateful persons, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, and hypocrites, without funeral homes and cemeteries.
Worshippers of the Creator together with their loving, kind, and respectful families, friends, and neighbors will enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the CREATOR and his CHRIST for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler, Jesus Christ.
Liar! Lol
@@ajayrife dolt! Lol
At the end of the day their whole MO is to get a seat in the eternal retirement village in the sky so they'll reject pretty much all reason and rationality to get there.
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I love how shocked he was to hear that even if you could prove his god, people *wouldn't* worship it.
Incredulity is not an argument. "You are not actually atheist because I cannot believe you can be" is absurd. The caller is not acting in good faith. He was a waste of time and breath from the hosts. The homophobic remarks at the end regarding HIV should have exposed him as a despicable person not worth talking to.
Yup.
If we atheists stared claiming theists are not really theists but do it to fit in I can imaging the outrage from such a statement.
I have my doubts as to whether or not every believer in the threads does believe in god.
@@lurch666 I would honestly say it's much more likely that there are more Christians who are just pretending, at least in the US, since there's much more social pressure to be one, especially in the Bible Belt where you will get actively harassed if you're not one.
@@lurch666 especially since there might be a kernel of truth. Given that, even now, atheists can't reasonably run for office, simply from the stigma, gives a lot of evidence AGAINST it being "trendy".
A horse walks into a bar, and the bartender fed up with this routine says, “you come in here a lot.”
The horse thinks for a moment, and then replies, “I don’t think…” and then poofs out of existence.
This is actually a play on the old idea from Rene Descartes’s mantra, “I think. Therefore, I am.”
I would have started with that explanation, but then I’d be putting Descartes before the horse.
I enjoyed that.
Oh that’s good lolol
I told that joke at a dinner party once. Got an audible double-facepalm from my partner.
I was very proud of myself.
@@NikolaHundz Is it because they find solipsism facile?
@@jquest99 they hate philosophy. Weirdly, that’s what actually attracted them to me initially.
"People that starvs at least are not alone"
So, God is there watching them suffer and refuses to help? That's even worst
The HIV argument is so cute - Ricki Gervais has a routine in which he has God talking to HIV and unleashing the disease on gay men because he doesn't want to have to see what they do. The disease then asked him about lesbians, he said "no no, I LIKE watching them."
Hadn't come across this but I'll look.
I really like these two presenters. Very calm and collected.
Forrest is brilliant!!
"...people colouring their hair trying to be edgy or teenagers or something..."
I'm 60 years old, watching this while colouring my hair... Laughing...
@@cajunking5987 That's what *I* said!
😄
And you know what, except for the wrinkles and liver spots I'm now indistinguishable from a teenager!
@@bananapatch I'm quite lucky! 60 years old and not grey yet! All my friends are grey and/or torally bald! 🤔😳😁
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These folks have been lied to, and lied to themselves for so long that they can’t imagine anything outside of their lies.
They even get to be reindoctrinated every Sunday. What they really need is an atheist room mate to give them a better understanding of the universe. Worked wonders on Matt...
The original creator of the polygraph test was skeptical about the accuracy of the machines. It was the media that nicknamed them lie detectors. He later referred to his machine as his personal Frankenstein’s monster. Saying it was nothing more than a glorified stress-detector.
It is literally not admissible in court in the majority of states.
@@mando686 Exactly they’re used in police investigation only for its psychological value. They have found a suspect is more likely to confess, because people believe they’re lie detectors.
There is absolutely no chance a legit scientific study used polygraphs in a study. As a means to reliably test if someone is lying.
They may use them as their creator said a stress tester, or as the police use them for psychological reasons.
love Forrest and Dave together!! They bring honesty and logic to a new level.
I was an atheist while living in Alabama, I couldn’t tell most people, because fear of losing my job. It was not easy or trendy to be an atheist in some places.
Does the guy who uses an alias so he evade social consequences for his bad takes really want to accuse others of being edgy and attention seeking?
Yup. By his accent I think he's lying about his country too..
Every time I listen to this show i’m so happy to be an Australian where we have only 43% christians. Being a non-believer is a given for the majority of Aussies. Being picked on is a rarity because most christians keep it to themselves because they are the minority.
Same over here in New Zealand mate. Fair dinkum cobba! 😂
@@TheTruthKiwi 👍
It mostly true in Britain, other than the loons in city centres and the occasional JW knocking your door
Ricky we were so close to becoming a paedocostal country when morriscum and his RWNJ's were in charge,it feels a lot better now thank fcuk
43%. Oh my there is a lot of work to do to get that down. 🤣🤣
The fact that a question like this has to be asked says a lot about the caller. Everyone is an atheist concerning gods they don't believe in. Some of us just go one God further.- Richard Dawkins
When they ask this question, Its down right disrespectful actually. Im sick of theists always trying to claim that were not being truthful about our positions. And this claim that "everyone" has a natural inclination towards his god is straight bullshyt.
Im so sick of it already.
@@RaulPerez-jj5jj the thing is, most people do have a natural inclination to believe in the supernatural. Which for me should just be another example of a natural explanation for human behavior.
I find it to be one of the weakest arguments tbh. If most humans were in fact naturally more inclined to be skeptical towards supernatural claims, and we could tell that most people had a firm grasp on logic and epistemology, and in that situation most people believed in just one God (not the thousands of deities and denominations out there) I'd be impressed. That's not the case: reasoning is a powerful tool that we use, but the vast majority of our experiences aren't filtered through the lense of reason.
@@Fernando-ek8jp No bud. Its is not true that most people have a natural inclination towards the supernatural. The supernatural is a claim that is learned by indoctrination.
Indoctrination doesnt only come by way of being directly taught. It can be indirect. This is why that even kids who were not taught by their parents about a god existing still wind up thinking there is one because other people around them mention it. Its damn near impossible to never here a god claim in modern society.
Thats why you get the illusion that its a natural inclination and its actually not.
@@Fernando-ek8jp It says a lot about why people make up religion and clearly demonstrates that what we have is borne out of superstition.
We can currently explain the world we live in, so we don't need to throw out God to explain something we don't understand yet.
@@jquest99 I wouldn't go that far (because that has a higher burden of proof), just that appealing to how common it is doesn't really move the needle one bit in favor of anything supernatural
"But with MY god, at least you won't starve to death ALONE, you'll starve to death surrounded by family and friends" is basically what he's saying.
Being an atheist isn't a fad, it's being intelligent
It’s not even being intelligent lol it’s just not being stupid
It's not being intelligent...maybe being realistic. Not all Christians are dumb people..they have just held on to an irrational belief largely because of a fear of death.
I'd disagree on that generally.
It's probably more like intellectually honest/skeptical.
No its not😂
The interpretation the caller puts on the Finnish study is somewhat misleading, though typical of many religious groups. The study looked to see if there was any difference between an atheist or a believer when asking God to do bad things. They found little difference but that doesn't mean it was because the atheists secretly believed, even Catholic Answers didn't go that far, their comment was.
"Unfortunately, the authors of the study did not ask the participants to dare a known false belief like Santa Claus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster to do something bad to a loved one. Therefore, it’s possible that test subjects would react with anxiety regardless of the kind of being they petitioned."
I don't envy theists. everything he described comes out of the human experience- if anything his god is merely the lighting up of neurons in his brain giving him the impression he's somehow real
*"Belief in a cruel god makes for a cruel man." --- Paine*
in my experience, people with higher intellect, are smart enough to realize how little they actually know about everything.
its typically the ignorant that blast how much smarter they are than others.
at least in my experience.
“Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in The Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus and I'd still have to bum rides off of people.”
- Ferris Bueller
John Lennon was a piece of shit too. Not gonna replace one cancer with another.
I’m going to say nothing at all. Did I win? 😂
So presumably theists are just trying to be edgy and trendy when they are surrounded by other theists? No, exactly.
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"I think you are all lying."
Says people that worship a book of proven lies.
People have a desire to make sense of things they don’t understand, religion gives simplistic answers that don’t require anything from the believers other than blind faith.
Atheist from the east coast of Australia here. Real even.
Yeah but we all know Australia is an elaborate hoax. And I should know as I am a paid actor on the Victoria East Coast film set.
Wow, that's a fictional twofer! Australia and atheist. ;)
@@benf6822 Yeah. Australia is like birds or the moon. Doesn't exist.
"Trauma" from religion and people within religion. You got that right. Recovering Catholic here. I still get infuriated thinking about religion and how it has adversely affected me and the world around me. Example....guilt, cruelty to LGBTQ groups, abuse against children, women etc.. working against science.
Politics and religion are actually the same thing , “believe this because I told you to”
Yeah, call my naive but politics is actually in reality and the policies are (supposed to be) beneficial for the citizens. Thinking we're in a "fallen world" and that "the end times are near" isn't beneficial for anyone.
This is one of the best atheist call in clips I’ve heard in a long time. Great call. Great responses. I learned a thing or two. Been an atheist for almost a decade but I work in Dallas questions and I get asked this same question a lot.
Thank you Dave and Forrest for what you do! I appreciate you guys so much! What you do makes a difference! Keep up the great work!
If there is a god and that god has issues with certain groups of people, it could always show up and say hi instead of cursing those groups.
FACING ALL IMPERFECT, SUFFERING, AND DYING HUMAN BEINGS IS NOT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY, ATHEISM, AGNOSTICISM, HINDUISM OR WHATEVER BUT A REAL, EXISTING, AND RAGING BATTLE TO THE DEATH PRESENTED BY THE BIBLE -
SATAN and his ANTI-CHRISTS
VS.
the CREATOR and his CHRIST
ETERNAL DEATH as CONSEQUENCE for the vanquished
ETERNAL LIFE as REWARD for the victors
FACTS about ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, and FANATICS OF ALL RELIGIONS -
Atheists, Agnostics, and Fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian Religions KNOW that they HATE and rejected the CREATOR as worthless and useless, not worthy and deserving to be honored and obeyed as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father.
The CREATOR also KNOWS that all Atheists, Agnostics, and Fanatics of all Religions HATE and rejected his CHRIST's authority and teachings about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their lives and existence.
ETERNAL DEATH AS CONSEQUENCE -
All Atheists, Agnostics, and Fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian Religions who HATE and rejected the CREATOR's Sovereignty and his CHRIST's authority and teachings as worthless and useless will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths.
ETERNAL LIFE as REWARD -
All imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who worship the CREATOR and believe the TRUTHS and righteousness of his CHRIST about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead will be REWARDED and honored with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths.
Worshippers of the Creator and believers of the Christ will also become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths, but unlike all atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of all religions, they will not remain as worthless dusts forever, instead at the Creator's own good time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life.
After their resurrection, the Creator will let them live and exist forever on a safe and peaceful planet earth without terrorists, criminals, and militaries, without arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, and hypocrites, without funeral homes and cemeteries.
Worshippers of the Creator together with their loving, kind, and respectful families, friends, and neighbors will enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the CREATOR and his CHRIST for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler, Jesus Christ.
Holy shit saying Hi woild have really helped. The current religious environment is such a mess. So many religions and denominations and all kinds of weird stuff..
Every theist is an atheist, golden from Forrest, "I just don't believe in one more god than you don't", how soooo true. All atheist should remember and use this one great point.
Believers are on an ego trip. It’s “look at me, I’m special because the creator of the universe cares about little old me”. It’s pathetic.
Excellent fellas, well done.
I've had my hair dyed most colors under the sun, and it's way less that I'm edgy and way more that I'm a soft marshmallow who likes pretty colors xD
Nothing worse than when the caller is asked a question and they just ignore it and move on.
This guy is a great example of the kind of damage the hateful rhetoric of Christianity can do to the easily persuaded...
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Wasn't too trendy when I became an Atheist back in 1984.
I can't actually remember another Atheist from that time.
I know they existed,but my deconversion was completely self generated.
Yup - we were out there!
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Hi guys! Atheists can be from anywhere. Even Tulsa OK. So many theists are too quick to make claims. Dave, thanks for calling B.S.
there are dozens of us in oklahoma, DOZENS!
@@bigalspartyshack1840 LOL!
There’s a dozen in Arkansas.
I like when Forrest gets mad. 😅 But admittedly it was HARD listening to this guy and his condescending disbelief that others would think that the despicable god he’s describing is, in fact, despicable.
Power through tho to listen to Forrest tear him up in the calmest, most fluent way possible.
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What an amazing smack down by Dave and Forrest of yet another self-righteous theist.
I find it almost too difficult to comprehend that anyone who has ever stepped foot in a school, or spent time in a library, or just access to Google, can still form conclusions more suited to a caveman.
Did the one giving the results of the lie detector test get a lie detector test? I’ve always been an atheist (62 yo) even when I was pretending to be a theist to make my parents happy. I was even involved with church events because, again it made my parents happy. In no way could I make myself to actually believe to make my parents happy. This caller needs to find a different church and get away from that awful human being proselytizing lies to easily brainwashed.
I am a medical student in South Africa. 60% of global HIV cases are in sub-saharan Africa. Firstly, almost 2 million children are living with HIV/AIDS. They singlehandedly disprove BIG’s theory of 97% since around 39 mill people are living with HIV/AIDS. Furthermore, around 60% of new HIV cases in SA yearly are women. I didn’t read up the epidemiology extensively but in my quick search, The USA seems to be the only country worldwide where LGBT/ MSM make up the majority of HIV cases. This is a statistical anomaly though, as the People in USA with HIV account for only 3.125% of all HIV cases. BIG is ignorant and trying to create a narrative that fits his bigoted views.
*MSM is a term used to refer to “men who have sex with men”
BIG should realize that majority of people with HIV/AIDS are theists. So what does THAT say about believing in god (I'm assuming he's clueless about stats, based on what he's said on the call)?
I always love it when Forrest crosses or peak his fingers - it usually means he's getting ready to pounce. He's seen the fault in your argument and he's just waiting for you to wind down. There's usually a little smirk and twinkle in his eye, too. 😊
Poor guy sounded like he was on the verge of tears from the start. Comes across as a blind man telling others how to see.
Perfect analogy dude ;)
Yes!!! Dave when you told him he was being offensive... just thank you!
And the way you ended that call... yessss
I have been an atheist since I was able to think for myself - I am 71 now. My experience with the way religion can make apparently nice people do and say cruel and disgusting things is as follows. My first wife passed away 18 years ago after a long and painful struggle with Hepatitis C - no cure at that time. Even though I was an atheist my wife was a firm believer. I was with her one day picking her up from church and stopped to talk to her pastor who was a good man and a friend. However another congregant came up to me and told me to my face that the reason my wife had this devastating disease was because I was being punished for being an atheist. He was not a bad man, he was just following this disgusting Christian religious dogma. I should not need to tell you how the conversation continued once I had gotten over the initial shock of his blatantly immoral "revelation".
Your wrong: that was indeed a bad man.
The fact that you didn't just uppercut him is impressive because that is how that conversation ends with me.
I'm sorry about your wife's passing, man. Hope you're doing great.
I enjoy listening to Forrest breakdown reasons for his Atheism-has very clear and concise points. Dave is blunt and to the point but also clear in his stance. Dave having been a preacher brings a little more Biblical knowledge and Forrest with his scientific background make a great duo for the show---enjoy them very much.