No Antonio, the process of elimination is NOT how you determine if something is true. For example, if we rule out 99 suspects in a murder case, that doesn't mean you have proven that the 100th suspect is guilty. You actually have to have evidence linking that particular suspect to the murder. If you don't have that, then you have no case.
True but irrelevant. He has not even found all gods. so he cannot have disproved all others. After all, there is an infinite number of possible gods, and I’d argue they are not even countable…
@@advorak8529 Yep, he has an untenable uphill battle, as he hasn't even found his own cosmic wizard to begin with. I do love the theist's "outside space and time" claim though. The poor arseholes don't even realise they're admitting this God of theirs doesn't exist. 😆
@@skateboardingjesus4006 god wasn’t outside of space and time until better telescopes, Einstein and space travel came along. In the garden of Eden he walked around playing hide-and-seek with Adam & Eve; he spent some time on top of a mountain with Moses, while also BEING the mountain/volcano (traveling in a cloud of smoke by day and in a cloud of fire by night - everyone who’s ever seen footage of a volcano knows what that means); later people believed he lived in the clouds. After planes were invented, people failed to see any deities up there, so god had to pack up and move again, between the stars this time. And now that is still to close for science.
Yeah, he goes to look it up in the bible. If it's in the bible, then he feels validated. And if it's not in the bible, then it's something that "science hasn't figured out yet."
Here’s how you do “research” on the internet: Whatever you wish to be true, you search until you find “proof” of your desired beliefs. They often say, “You *choose* to believe… whatever.” Interesting concept. I thought your beliefs were arrived at by the evidence available to you and your understanding of how that evidence applies to the subject at hand. Choosing to believe in something, like, “you can live in eternal bliss if you believe,” doesn’t make it true. This is for terrified people who know, but can’t accept, the fact that they have to die. Typical believer - “Yeah, I’d like to help humanity, nature, the planet, but my quest to live forever in Heaven comes first.” And most of them don’t even follow the rules set forth to achieve that end. The Bible itself says that *most* of those who are certain of going to Heaven will be turned away.
It's funny how Antonio is fond of the process of elimination, yet doesn't consider the idea of eliminating supernatural explanations for natural phenomena.
When someone is trying to rush an idea past you, they often do so because they don’t have a good way to reply to the objection they know you’re gonna have. So they’re attempting to blow by your objection.
As a African American man I’ve never understood why so many of my fellow AA’s either don’t know or don’t care that the Bible was used to justify slavery (hell there was even an official Slave Bible that was used in the 1800s that cut out about 90% of the Old Testament and about 1/2 of the New Testament). Sad how so many of us still follow this bs to this day and even go as far as denigrating other AA’s who either don’t buy into religion or are atheists.
no he is an example of a child being indoctrinated, probably before he even started school. when a preschool child is indoctrinated into religion and his family and friends reinforce that indoctrination, it is way beyond school to teach that child to think critically about his/her deeply entrenched beliefs.
@@steveswangler6373 While growing up, everyone a baby trusts to teach them the right things and how to be safe. Most Moms, Dads, Grandmas and Grandads, Aunts, Uncles, complete strangers, people in authority and even some teachers will tell you, "Don't touch fire or the stove, you will burn yourself"...."Don't eat THAT!"... "Be careful if you are climbing trees or riding your bikes, you can break your arm"... and then they will teach you about a god they believe in...
@@davidsebastianelli1326 That's why parents should teach WHY one shouldn't do certain things. If you teach the why - rather than the what, of which there are many more than a parent could ever prepare for - then they can figure out the what on their own. The stove is dangerous. Tide pods are poisonous. But too many parents just use authority because it's easier or they might not know the why themselves. To them, understanding isn't as important as obeying, so they raise people who can't understand why anything happens the way it does, and the cycle often repeats from there. It's the same problem with the bible and God's whole plan. Don't bother understanding morality, just do as he says, and then when you encounter situations he somehow didn't account for in his perfect rules, you have no idea how to react because you weren't taught the why, only some limited whats. And this is why anti-intellectual religions like Christianity are so dangerous.
@@tonybrantley most of the time that is true but there are times they can almost fully regenerate if there is enough of a certain tissue around the area which has not been totally damaged. Sort of like a fingernail that gets ripped off, if the nail bed is still intact and doesn't have major damage, the nail will regenerate, but if the tissue where the nail forms is badly damaged or removed it will just heal over with skin or scar tissue. But I don't think anyone I know was grown from a rib, fingernail, skin, hair, liver, or any other tissue or organ that can regenerate as far as I know. The regeneration aspect usually only works to regrow that item, not the thousands of others which happen to make up a human. He would have been more convincing if he said that he used the rib to extract stem cells to create Eve. As for his dust analogy, I think he was probably thinking more about the fact that most house dust is human skin cells, but that would require a human being there first.
@@tonycardone990 You are correct that regenerating one body part is a far cry from growing a whole new body from one part. I would add that even if they did try to use an argument about stem cells (and I do understand that you are not making such an argument), it still wouldn't work because by that logic Eve would have had to have identical DNA to Adam. So yeah, the whole "grown from a rib" story still makes as little sense as ever.
By this guy's logic, the story of Prometheus must be real because in the story, Prometheus' liver gets destroyed by a bird every day only for it to heal in order to be destroyed again. The liver is the best organ when it comes to self repair. Clearly, this cannot be coincidental.
Mind you, this means that Prometheus must still be alive today. He's out there somewhere, having his liver pecked out again. Possibly as we speak. Anyone know where he is? It'd be cool to get a TV interview with him.
Prometheus gave us fire, fire is known to have contributed evolutionarily to the expansion of our brain mass because cooked food has more easily digestible proteins than raw meat and is more energy efficient, Prometheus is real... Sadly you cannot get an interview with him as Hercules saved him and killed the vulture pecking at his liver.
When you consider Covid-19 vaccine passports and how quick so many people were to accept, advocate for, and demand they be implemented on everyone suddenly the notion of not being able to buy or sell without a mark on one's right hand or forehead doesn't seem all that far-fetched.
That's unfortunate but growing up catholic in Boston was a tour of a mental facility as well.....they still act like oppressive conquerors who own it all in that church.
Lol so, absolutely zero critical thinking skills?! Whatever the pastor says is 100% completely irrefutable truth?!!! That's so sad and pathetic. No wonder why Republicans love you all. You'll believe ANYTHING they say as long as they love Jesus 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
It's really terrifying how little some people know about the world around them. This is why shows like these are so important. This is why critical thinking skills are vital.
You are so much better than me bc I find it wholly frustrating and infuriating how the vast majority of Americans just refuse to think bc the truth may hurt their feelings. I find it to be most cowardly and am constantly railing about the lack of critical thinking
the saddest thing is he's probably surrounded by people who think it's rude/mean to point out what blubbering idiot he sounds like; that he's a vapid bloviator
Antonio is a prime example of how Christian Fundamentalism can cripple one`s cognitive critical thinking skills and potential to learn. The sad thing is he`s probably not stupid just sort of seems that way because he`s in such a dogma trying to make sense of nonsense, it`s so sad 😥
Actually I think he's probably low IQ. How people speak and engage gives an indicator while not not being a foolproof test. Okay, a bit of a gut reaction but enough experience of life allows one to develop such assessment skills. It's an evolutionary skill that has kept many generations safe through countless millenia.
@@duncanbryson1167 I don`t want to make too much judgement about Antonio`s IQ, but I`m betting if he hadn't been so propagandized into his literal belief in the Bible he would sound at least a little more reasonable than he dose.
Stars can literally fall to earth? Are you serious? Giant balls(like mind boggling levels of big) of plasma that close to earth would kill everything on it BEFORE it even got CLOSE (cosmologically). Dude needs to put down the bibble and watch some discovery channel.
I would not be able to continue a conversation with him after that. Then he questions how do we know the size of stars. Antonio is terrifyingly ignorant. But that's what it takes to believe in the Bible literally.
He represents a disgustingly large percent of Adults. He has the scientific understanding of a 4 year old and the confidence of someone who just won the gold at the Olympics.
Damn Antonio’s argument is so logical, I now believe in talking snakes, a talking donkey, a man that lived inside a whale, a man that had super strength from having long hair, a man that parted a sea, a man that turned water into wine, zombies, giants, angels sleeping with humans, a global flood with a floating zoo, all of it! Thanks Antonio!
I dont think its a coincidence that everyone who is a Biblical literalist is also scientifically illiterate, or at the very least, misrepresenting what the science actually says. On a different note, when it comes to these kinds of conversations, especially biology related topics, Forrest should do most of the talking, JMIKE tends to confuse people with the way that he expresses his thoughts, wandering from one thought to another, which seems hard for a lot of the callers to follow, dont get me wrong though, I love JMIKE, but on these kinds of topics I think that Forrest needs to do most of the talking.
He wasn’t gonna understand Forrest. Forrest is 100% correct, and he’s explaining it correctly, but JMike is pretty good at giving an example of what he was saying from a different lens. Sometimes it helps to have two perspectives. Not everyone sees info the same way.
Agreed. JMike knows the topics, but he’s not adept at speaking to the callers at their level. I would not be surprised if most callers either feel they “won” the debate or they leave more confused than when they first called.
Antonio's style of getting his point across reminds me of my brother. The goal post constantly moves, and he talks over others as if it asserts his point. I appreciate watching how you calmly address and rebuttal his points. It gives me the tools to do so also.
After watching this show for 15 years, I can now sum up the bulk of it's callers arguments. Caller: my book of magic claims 4+4= Swiss cheese. AXP: If you open up any rudimentary math book, you will see 4+4=8. Caller: No. AXP: What?? Caller: Hey, look it up. AXP: I'm holding a math book in my hand right now. Look at this page the camera is zooming in on. It literally explains how & why 4+4 equals 8. Caller: I know the truth. Big Math is hiding the truth. AXP: if you have 4 apples, & I have 4 apples, how many apples do we have if added up?? Caller: Swiss - CHEESE. AXP: 😳
That's about right A Long time ago i used to be a minister, I literally went on a 15 year journey to find the truth of all this (this was PRE Internet years) What they are doing today is basically the same thing that i was doing Except - They are able to reach more people - They have a larger sample size of people who they have spoken to but honestly.... i found the same conclusion i found the following to be true - Either the person was clearly crazy (Yes, i even listened to crazy people) - Sometimes the person said they were an atheist (You need to understand also that back then the term was new and meant a completely different thing) and they people were arrogant and wouldn't believe in god even if it was proven - Then you have a person who believed with all their heart. i could generally divide these people into 2 groups Group 1 - Tragic backstory and a need to hang onto a coping device such as god, usually i heard I was raped i was bashed My father died when i was young My mother died when i was young I went through a war I had an accident that sent me to hospital and i narrowly survived I was in prison and right in the cell god came to me usually it was stuff like that Group 2 - These were just stupid and would believe anything you told them. i literally made shit up about god that wasn't true but worded it in a way that sounded like it probably was and ... they believed it Things like - (after they would get on a roll with a story, i would agree as follows) Jesus didn't just feed the masses with water and wine he also , to prove that he was jesus gave people the power to walk on water. In Matthew in the bible it talks about how a women fell out of a boat and didn't know how to swim and as she fell out of the boat she landed on the surface of the water but didn't sink but instead just laid on the surface as if it was glass and jesus spoke to her and said, you shall not drown my child , as your faith in the lord runs deep and he is here with you looking over you AND... THEY BELIEVED THAT LOL I concluded these people to be stupid.... nothing more than that I really only ever (After thousands of people) only came across 2 people EVER !!! that could tell me - With no backstory of tragedy - With no signs of being a complete fuckwit - With no prison time - With no pattern to connect them to the others that they know that god exists and they talk to god every day ONLY 2.... to stand out from the rest Now, we could debate them of course, but.. WHY ?? The Majority do what the majority do (if that makes sense ) so yeah, these shows basically do what i did and confirm and Re Confirm what i already learned , BUT IN A NEW TIME
And here, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is an example of a living brain donor and final PROOF that there is someone who has an IQ that is exceeded by his shoe size. Jesus H Christ. Lol.
No..... A FATAL EXCEPTION HAS OCCURRED AT 0x00ANTONIO'S BRAIN * Press Any Key to Terminate the Current Application * Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE To Restart Antonio's Brain PRESS ANY KEY TO CONTINUE
@@nigelmcculloch3746 Man your question is stupid ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN 1. "ARRIVE"??? As if it was transported here by a water truck or an alien space ship 2. Your question has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my comment. My comment was a joke, I had a laugh at the O.P's statement. What does that have to do with how the fuck water came to be on this planet ? 3. WHO GIVES A FUCK ?? SEE... YOUR COMMENT IS FUCKING STUPID Now. in the spirit of helping you ..... What are you going to say ? that water being here somehow proves god OK, let's take a step back for a second Let's attack an easier problem to the path to god CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN GOD THEY READ THE BIBLE AND FOLLOW THE BIBLE AS THEY BELIEVE THIS TO BE GOD'S WORDS AND INSTRUCTIONS AND RULES AND COMMANDMENTS ON WHAT TO DO TO PLEASE GOD AND ULTIMATELY TO GET TO HEAVEN AND ETERNAL LIFE OK - Let's put aside the fact (and it is a fact) that Moses never existed - Let's put aside if god exists or not (We can assume that he does if you like) - Let's put aside whether heaven or hell exists LET'S GET MORE BASIC let's just ask this IS THE BIBLE GOD'S ACTUAL WORD Because if it's not 1. Christians are following a word other than god's word 2. In doing so they are committing a sin that is punishable by eternity in hell. Well the answer to that question is CALL THE PUBLISHER, THE ONE THAT WROTE THE BOOK AND ASK THEM "IS THIS GOD'S WORD" THE ANSWER YOU WILL GET IS.... "NO IT'S NOT" that's all you need to know as a christian as a result you should stop reading the bible Youc an continue to pray and talk to god if you wish, nothing else need change about your religion or faith or belief but... HOW WATER CAME TO BE ON THIS PLANET HAS..............ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING BEARING ON WHAT I SAID so mate.. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT. I merely just laughed at the O.P.'s comment and as an I.T. Professional i applied a little I.T. Humour of the FATAL EXCEPTION Windows error Can i really not make a joke without some religious fuckwit asking me how water came to be on the planet AND INCIDENTALLY IF YOU HAVE ANY COMPREHENSION OF BASIC SCIENCE AND GEOGRAPHY, YOU SHOULD KNOW but it's a dumb question that doesn't relate to anything that i said so... Could you do me a favour and bother someone else with this question However... FEEL FREE TO DO THE FOLLOWING - Make a comment relating to what i actually said - To make another joke - To tell me your point of view But to ask me unrelated comments that are completely stupid and go nowhere NO MATE.... SORRY I DON'T DO THAT ok
Another prime example of an ill-educated man that has had religion forced upon him as a child. A man who has been taught that science is bad. To not consider truth. To keep convincing yourself the evidence will fit your hypothesis no matter and if it doesn't, I should attack it.
I disagree. I've dealt with a few creationists who are much more intelligent than Antonio, who would never make the kinds of arguments he was making (but not the global flood one, they use an argument like that as well). (Of course, I've also dealt with a LOT of creationists who are like Antonio.) In Antonio's case, he came across to me as a having an intelligence level in the bottom half of the population on that scale. I won't use the word "idiot" just as an insult, but he did seem to me to be very much not-a-smart-guy.
1:45 “have you ever done anything good in your life?“ “Of course.” “well, then how can you call yourself bad?” The Ray Comfort Gotcha is so terribly dumb, I can’t believe people don’t vomit in their mouth when they utter it.
Theist's gotcha question: "But you haven't (edit) seen it, right?" Atheist's response: "Yes. Now name one event in the Bible you have seen directly." Everything he gave as "evidence" was less observable than "seeing" the stars. The bones? Inference. Dirt man? Inference. Global flood? Inference.
Strong That Guy energy there. He's used to talking to his own circle which is roughly the same knowledge of science as he does, and doesn't understand he's so far from correct that he's not even wrong, he's just babbling nonsense.
@@AshaCrone imagine literally being a biologist and having some guy talk down to you about how no, ribs *totally* naturally grow back, look it up! Forrest has an unnatural patience lol.
It truly is scary and mind boggling that people believe this nonsense. Listening to a delusional man that barely has a triple digit I.Q. tell Forrest he doesn't understand had me in hysterics.
Yes, you live and learn. I always thought we were a carbon-based life form; but it turns out we are silicon-based after all. I don't suppose this guy has thought deeply enough to realise that any organic content in dirt today is the remains of dead vegetable and animal life...and that in the Garden of Eden there wouldn't be any, because Big G had only just finished creating stuff and nothing had died yet.
When Antonio says "the bible is scientific and we just don't understand some of it" he fails to realize that the people who wrote the bible didn't understand science at all, therefore "god". 🤷🤦
AND if said god made all and knows all, and divinely inspired the bible, that god failed miserably at accurately reflecting scientific realities in those writings. Wouldn't that god have told them to write things down that are observable and verifiable still today, even if they didn't understand it? Instead, the writings reflect their understanding of how the world worked at the time.
@@MarkTheRashional You took the words out of my mouth. That's a point I bring up myself every time a creationist says something that makes this specific point relevant. The way I've put it for many years is like this: God is supposed be vastly more intelligent and vastly more knowledgeable than the smartest human beings who have ever existed, so if the Bible really did come from God then it should display vastly more intelligence and reveal vastly superior knowledge to everything ever written by even the most intelligent humans who have ever lived. However, IN REALITY, we could go to ANY public school fifth grade science in the United States, and pick up the science textbook that the class is using, and we would be holding in our hands a book that displays intelligence and reveals knowledge that is vastly superior to anything and everything in the Bible. (The reason I specifically use "fifth grade" is because of the game show that was called "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth-Grader?") There's a related point I make in regard to Christians who claim to have the power of the Holy Spirit: If you really did have special knowledge that no one else does that you are literally getting from God, well God is supposed to be vastly more intelligent and vastly more knowledgeable than the smartest human beings who have ever existed, so why are you people who claim to have this Holy Spirit not only not able to reveal any superior knowledge, but instead routinely display vastly inferior thinking, precisely as motivated by your belief that you have the Holy Spirit, and also display claimed divine knowledge that is pervasively false and thus horribly inferior? In other words, why are you incapable of backing up your Holy Spirit claim?
Great little vid. IF youve ever read Genesis 1 and 2, the very book of Genesis proves that the God of the Bible either doesn't exist, or is not all-powerful: the very fact that "God" didn't know why Adam was hiding from him, didn't know where Adam was, so he's calling out to Adam, God also didn't know why Adam KNEW he was naked, so he asks "Who told you you were naked?" Its total nonsense.
Adam and Eve died and just became worthless and useless dusts on earth forever as a CONSEQUENCE of their arrogance and foolishness in mocking, defying, and opposing the authority, guidance, and commandments of their own Creator. Adam and Eve rejected their own Creator as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their own lives and existence. PRESENT DAY - All LIARS, cruel, and hateful worshippers of Satan the Devil and believers of the LIES and foolishness of his anti-Christs about Armageddon, Trinity, rapture, reincarnation, hellfire, etc. will just die and become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever like Adam and Eve as the CONSEQUENCE of their arrogance and foolishness in mocking, defying, and opposing the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and His Christ.
Apologists like to say god was “testing” Adam. He wanted to see if Adam would posses the honesty it took to confront him. Which also is nonsensical, considering this guy is supposed to be all knowing. But hey, forget about logic. Logic is a fancy word for satan. Just forget logic, and believe that everything the Bible says is true. Even though demonstrable evidence suggests otherwise.
I never understood...if God is supposedly perfect, why is God angry or jealous? If you put it in the framework that these stories were made and used to control people, it makes perfect sense.
Excellent video guys! How you can keep calm when dealing with such boneheadedness, is admirable! Theists such as this caller refuse to employ rational thinking and I myself was exactly the same when I was a fundamentalist Christian. Only when I started to educate myself, was I able to break free from the bondage of slavish religious belief. Keep doing what you're doing, it's vital!
Well said. It's hard for most folks who have never experienced it to understand what it's like to be so mentally hemmed in by an indoctrinated worldview. It's also hard for them to understand just how hard it is to free oneself! I do commend these guys using their platform to try and help folks who are still trapped by such illogical thinking. Glad you got out, mate! We are all the better for letting go of religious ideology!
He speaks so fast(which is often a deceptive tactic to sound truthful and convincing) and immediately follows his point with “Lemme give you another one”. Again another deceptive tactic because then they can’t refute what you said if you’re going off on the next talking point. This guy sounds like he’s a car salesman.
I find it really funny how Christians seem to believe that their religion wasn't literally inspired by a handful of other, older belief systems. It's like listening to a 10-year-old asserting over and over again that, MY ART IS ORIGINAL. *DO NOT STEAL.*
Except for the fact that the Christian faith is unique and distinguishable from religion in every way. Religion tells man Do Christ tells man Done. Religions tend to emphasis human effort and human potential. Christ places zero worth on both human effort and human potential. Religion tends to downplay who Christ is. In the Christian faith Christ is God incarnate.
@@John-uk8eo You are ignoring the greater part of Christianity in order to see what you state here. All religions are unique and distinguishable from others. Most, including Christianity, borrow from other religions. Christianity contains a large chunk of Zoroastrianism, the whole 'Satan opposed to God' comes from that religion, there is nothing like that in Judaism. Most of the nice/kind stuff from Jesus is from the Hillel School, a 'religious think tank' of the time.
@@histreeonics7770 Incorrect, for the simple fact that Christ predates Zoroastrianism. Christianity is unique to man made religions. Including, but not limited to Zoroastrianism.
EXACTLY LMAO, it’s like he doesn’t understand the flaw of his own argument. With that logic I can argue a simple pebble is the creator of the universe and that this is true, and that who ever claims that it is false, simply just doesn’t understand it
It blows my mind that someone could say that it's possible that a star fell to earth. Like... Almost anyone would take this to be metaphorical or to actually mean a meteorite, but to think it's a literal star is to be so mind-bogglingly divorced from reality that I'm genuinely sad.
I simply love it when people try to prove their all powerful God by appealing to limitations. Seriously, that dust thing is incredibly stupid: an all powerful creator, who supposedly created EVERYTHING, could have made human out of a gram of Xenon, could he not?
Adam here. It really happened! Swear to the guy that kicked me our of paradise that it happened this way. Don't believe me? Ask my girlfriend, Eve.... She's in the shower right now, washing apple juice out of her hair, but when she's done, she can verify it.
I've never understood the "if you've ever done anything "bad", how can you call yourself a good person?" nonsense. People can't change? People can't feel guilty for doing something? Why is my entire life judged by a single act that I performed perhaps decades ago? And so what? Whether I can or can't claim to be a (generally) "good person" has NOTHING to do with whether a magic sky fairy exists or not.
Caller: "only ribs grow back fully" Also caller: "Eve was formed by Adams rib" The statements are contradictory All animals have trace elements in them According to this caller, we were made from dirt, can't happen, unless we are all golems. This caller has the education of a third grader and it's quite evident.
He keeps talking about the scientific method and then the “process of elimination” like they are the same thing. They are essentially opposites: induction vs. deduction.
In my mind while listening to this caller's "argument", I was thinking the same thing you say here. They are not the same! This man is just another terminal victim of Christian indoctrination and celebrates his own ignorance like all the other victims. Too much church, too little education, all topped off with a stubborn unwillingness to even consider the fact that their religious beliefs are preposterous and completely lacking any good evidence.
That's why I can't watch Matt anymore, I would rather hear Forrest give the person a chance to talk and then use evidence and logical rebuttals than watch Matt get frustrated and angry.
@@Mouse_007 He doesn't get frustrated and angry anymore and they instated that 1 minute timer to allow the caller to present his claim. And he does drop them immediately either, he always resorts to let the Co host take over where his patience ends.
@@guytheincognito4186 *doesn't And while I agree that it's a good thing that he does not drop them or shout them down all the time but lets calmer minds prevail does not mean that his overall approach is good. Just that he is aware that it's not good and that he found ways to cope with it.^^ I am pretty new to this channel, so I am no expert on the hosts, but I think Matt without a patient co-host would be a disaster. Occasionally fun to watch, but a disaster.
@@Alresu He has his own channel where he makes videos by himself and he's yet been a disaster 🙄 he won't be a disaster here either. The only episodes where anything is a disaster is when the callers go out of their way to just wait until they can talk again, Without listening nor answering the most simple of questions. Trying to judge anything of just those would be disengenious and trying to imply that he's as bad as a few years ago based on the exception of episodes over the rule is likewise disengenious. 🤷♂️
You can :-) Just do what these guys have done: read, think, listen to channels like this and practice, practice, practice. Flatearthers video comment sections are a good place to start to pick a fight. Remember: your goal isn't to persuade, but to sow seeds of doubt. That is best done by asking genuine questions, because they can't answer and they can't shift the burden over in you. If they ask questions you should be able to answer by doing a quick search. Potholer54 has a good video about debunking scientific myths and Greater Sapiens has a lot of old videos debunking flatearthers. Have fun :-)
@@EustaBAracer Pragmatism I suppose, Cold War and all that. While responsible for many death, they didn't carry out actions in the extermination camps.
This is likely one of the least productive calls I've ever seen on any of these shows. The absolute lack of understanding, in conjunction with the unabashed arrogance, combine to make a truly incredible amount of willful ignorance in one person
Woah buddy, you must be new LOL Go look up early Atheist Experience vids where people are legit arguing from the "look at the trees and the clouds" and "what do you think wakes you up" positions. XD But yeah, this was fucking useless, no blame to the hosts. Dude wouldn't be honest.
@@sideboob6851 Our sinful bodies will be worm food, but God will raise that worm food and give us a new everlasting body. From worm food to a new spiritual body in a twinkling of an eye. Because Jesus rose from the dead so will we. Those that believe on Him to everlasting life with Him, and those who do not to a place prepared for the devil and his angels where there will be unquenchable fire and thirst, weeping and gnashing of teeth, and the worm will not die
Antonio's beliefs now are mainstream in the Supreme Court and lower courts, and many states and in congress. A fundamentalist judge in Amarillo Texas is now determining whether a medication is safe and effective based on his religious beliefs. Hallelujah!
Serious question: if snakes were cursed to crawl on their bellies because of this, what form of locomotion did they have BEFORE the garden? Did they coil like a spring and bounce around?
@@CyberBeep_kenshi Or maybe they bit their tails and rolled like a hula hoop. Either way, that's more horrifying than slithering. Can you imagine minding your own business only to have an anaconda pogo stick bouncing towards you?
During the last minute, you could almost see the despair for humanity in Forrest’s face. He fucking ended with “it’s just a theory” right after giving huge hints that he doesn’t understand anything about any subject and that just proved it. I feel you, Forest! I feel you…
On rib regeneration 1- other mammals also show regeneration so not unique to humans 2- the perichondrium must remain (so more complex process than rib magically regrowing)
I’m pretty sure that you could illustrate to this guy that ice cream is not just made out of ice and cream by showing him the ingredients on the back of the container… And he would refute your illustration by saying that you only see it that way because you’re choosing to see it that way
Worst things about these calls is that is very rare for the theist to listen and understand the flaws in their logic. He won’t go away and actually study then draw conclusions. He will continue to draw the bullseyes around the arrow.
It’s really depressing that you can hear when he turns off his brain. It sounds like he’s trying to be honest, within the nonsense he’s been taught. But when he gets no agreement with that nonsense, he gives up on convincing others, rather than examine his own claims. I honestly hope he reaches out again.
Antonio affirmed in front of all of us that he believes a man can live in the belly of a whale for 3 days and that a star can fall to the earth. My word.
12:35 JMike: Gives a great example of how not to find evidence, with the Bad Day Fairy. He asks Antonio: Do you see what I mean at all? Antonio: ....No...... 🙄
01:15 "God is perfect, if god sends you to do something god already knows the outcome" Well except for that time when; god had to look for Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden god had to ask Cain what happened to his brother Abel god didn't know that the tower of babel had been built and he then altered everyone's languages god tested Abraham's faith by commanding Abraham to sacrifice his son because god didn't know how strong Abraham's faith was god sent two angels to Sodom to see what was going on there Other than that, perfect knowledge..
G0d didn't know who lived in which house in Egypt and had to get his chosen people to daub lambs blood on their door posts so he wouldn't kill their kids by mistake.
The pathetic thing is that this caller actually believes he was making valid arguments and will only be bolstered by this. He'll be claiming he schooled these athletes lol.
Somehow I feel like Antonio got off the phone and went back into his life talking about how dumb these idiot atheists are and how they didn't understand how the Bible is obviously above reproach and they think they know better than God. Then again maybe that's a very sad plus for him because he really didn't seem to want to know or think anything than he did before you answered the call
No Antonio, the process of elimination is NOT how you determine if something is true. For example, if we rule out 99 suspects in a murder case, that doesn't mean you have proven that the 100th suspect is guilty. You actually have to have evidence linking that particular suspect to the murder. If you don't have that, then you have no case.
True but irrelevant. He has not even found all gods. so he cannot have disproved all others.
After all, there is an infinite number of possible gods, and I’d argue they are not even countable…
@@advorak8529 Yep, he has an untenable uphill battle, as he hasn't even found his own cosmic wizard to begin with. I do love the theist's "outside space and time" claim though. The poor arseholes don't even realise they're admitting this God of theirs doesn't exist. 😆
You have endless patience.
This guy lacks the intelligence to recognize how ignorant he is.
The connection will be made eventually. Not all of Trump's enemies can be accident-prone.
@@skateboardingjesus4006 god wasn’t outside of space and time until better telescopes, Einstein and space travel came along. In the garden of Eden he walked around playing hide-and-seek with Adam & Eve; he spent some time on top of a mountain with Moses, while also BEING the mountain/volcano (traveling in a cloud of smoke by day and in a cloud of fire by night - everyone who’s ever seen footage of a volcano knows what that means); later people believed he lived in the clouds. After planes were invented, people failed to see any deities up there, so god had to pack up and move again, between the stars this time. And now that is still to close for science.
Poor Antonio. He is truly a product of the Alabama education system. They are dead last for a reason....
Former Mississippian here. WE are dead last. AL are 49.
When you teach poor and stupid people that magic is real, you get these kind of education and pregnancy rates.
@@dae57 fair but does it really make a difference lol
@@Shibbylovess not at all. Just tryna give him some leeway.
@@dae57 once again, fair
“You can go look that up”, Antonio that’s good advice, you should take it yourself.
Sadly, he'd just go to Ham's site or some other apologist source that would coddle his ignorance.
😂🤣😅😁
Yeah, he goes to look it up in the bible. If it's in the bible, then he feels validated. And if it's not in the bible, then it's something that "science hasn't figured out yet."
Here’s how you do “research” on the internet:
Whatever you wish to be true, you search until you find “proof” of your desired beliefs.
They often say, “You *choose* to believe… whatever.” Interesting concept. I thought your beliefs were arrived at by the evidence available to you and your understanding of how that evidence applies to the subject at hand. Choosing to believe in something, like, “you can live in eternal bliss if you believe,” doesn’t make it true. This is for terrified people who know, but can’t accept, the fact that they have to die.
Typical believer - “Yeah, I’d like to help humanity, nature, the planet, but my quest to live forever in Heaven comes first.” And most of them don’t even follow the rules set forth to achieve that end. The Bible itself says that *most* of those who are certain of going to Heaven will be turned away.
@@majorskepticism7836 ❤
Ribs DO grow back. But it takes a while. That’s why the McRib only comes around once a year.
These things take time.
It's funny how Antonio is fond of the process of elimination, yet doesn't consider the idea of eliminating supernatural explanations for natural phenomena.
Antonio has the critical thinking skills of an average 7 year old.
Harsh, but true.
Please dont insult 7 year olds, they are much smarter than antonio...
Heck, even a starfish has more brains than antonio.
@@hakureikura9052 You're right.
A 5 year old will tell Antonio off for muddled thinking; do you think there is 90% brain rot between 5 and 7? Or is that Alabama schools at work?
Absolutely 🤦🏾♂️
That's harsh, yes. 7 year olds have better skills than this.
Poor Antonio. He's a fast talker but a slow thinker.
Fast talkers are rarely deep thinkers.
Among the slowest. Really, dumb as a post.
Gish Gallopers?
When someone is trying to rush an idea past you, they often do so because they don’t have a good way to reply to the objection they know you’re gonna have. So they’re attempting to blow by your objection.
@@joemiller7082 That's why I always back them up to the first thing they said. They hate that sh*t.
The fact that Antonio puts so much love and faith in a book that was in part used to justify his ancestors slavery just astounds me.
As a African American man I’ve never understood why so many of my fellow AA’s either don’t know or don’t care that the Bible was used to justify slavery (hell there was even an official Slave Bible that was used in the 1800s that cut out about 90% of the Old Testament and about 1/2 of the New Testament). Sad how so many of us still follow this bs to this day and even go as far as denigrating other AA’s who either don’t buy into religion or are atheists.
Astounds me everyday.
It's sad how you can tell that he's black just by the way he speaks.
Women, children and other races adhering to christianity blows my mind. It’s not in their corner at all…..
It wasn't the Book it was the mentality
Antonio is the perfect example of our education failing to teach critical thinking and common sense. Amazing
no he is an example of a child being indoctrinated, probably before he even started school. when a preschool child is indoctrinated into religion and his family and friends reinforce that indoctrination, it is way beyond school to teach that child to think critically about his/her deeply entrenched beliefs.
@@steveswangler6373 While growing up, everyone a baby trusts to teach them the right things and how to be safe. Most Moms, Dads, Grandmas and Grandads, Aunts, Uncles, complete strangers, people in authority and even some teachers will tell you, "Don't touch fire or the stove, you will burn yourself"...."Don't eat THAT!"... "Be careful if you are climbing trees or riding your bikes, you can break your arm"... and then they will teach you about a god they believe in...
@@davidsebastianelli1326 That's why parents should teach WHY one shouldn't do certain things. If you teach the why - rather than the what, of which there are many more than a parent could ever prepare for - then they can figure out the what on their own. The stove is dangerous. Tide pods are poisonous. But too many parents just use authority because it's easier or they might not know the why themselves. To them, understanding isn't as important as obeying, so they raise people who can't understand why anything happens the way it does, and the cycle often repeats from there. It's the same problem with the bible and God's whole plan. Don't bother understanding morality, just do as he says, and then when you encounter situations he somehow didn't account for in his perfect rules, you have no idea how to react because you weren't taught the why, only some limited whats. And this is why anti-intellectual religions like Christianity are so dangerous.
Mostly because church has to much influence on schools. Until that changes, children will be taught to, essentially, be idiots
@@steveswangler6373 ✝️🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖
Antonio: Ribs grow back you can look it up!
Forrest: Dude, I'm a biology teacher that specializes in humans..
I assure you they do not grow back I had half of one removed to have my lung removed. . .
So . . . No they don't grow back .
@@tonybrantley If you break one they'll grow back together, but no, they don't grow back.
@Tony Brantley medic : ohhhh don't be such a baby ribs grow back. *whisper* : no they don't 🤫
🕊 : 🤨
@@tonybrantley most of the time that is true but there are times they can almost fully regenerate if there is enough of a certain tissue around the area which has not been totally damaged. Sort of like a fingernail that gets ripped off, if the nail bed is still intact and doesn't have major damage, the nail will regenerate, but if the tissue where the nail forms is badly damaged or removed it will just heal over with skin or scar tissue. But I don't think anyone I know was grown from a rib, fingernail, skin, hair, liver, or any other tissue or organ that can regenerate as far as I know. The regeneration aspect usually only works to regrow that item, not the thousands of others which happen to make up a human. He would have been more convincing if he said that he used the rib to extract stem cells to create Eve.
As for his dust analogy, I think he was probably thinking more about the fact that most house dust is human skin cells, but that would require a human being there first.
@@tonycardone990 You are correct that regenerating one body part is a far cry from growing a whole new body from one part. I would add that even if they did try to use an argument about stem cells (and I do understand that you are not making such an argument), it still wouldn't work because by that logic Eve would have had to have identical DNA to Adam. So yeah, the whole "grown from a rib" story still makes as little sense as ever.
By this guy's logic, the story of Prometheus must be real because in the story, Prometheus' liver gets destroyed by a bird every day only for it to heal in order to be destroyed again. The liver is the best organ when it comes to self repair. Clearly, this cannot be coincidental.
Mind you, this means that Prometheus must still be alive today. He's out there somewhere, having his liver pecked out again. Possibly as we speak.
Anyone know where he is? It'd be cool to get a TV interview with him.
@@klaxoncow And also, Prometheus's work was a far better sacrifice than Jesus ever made in the Bible.
Prometheus gave us fire, fire is known to have contributed evolutionarily to the expansion of our brain mass because cooked food has more easily digestible proteins than raw meat and is more energy efficient, Prometheus is real... Sadly you cannot get an interview with him as Hercules saved him and killed the vulture pecking at his liver.
@@klaxoncow According to later myths, Heracles killed the eagle and freed Prometheus.
The liver is evil and deserves to be punished!!
It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person. (Bill Murray)
Thanks for crediting the source so many people don't
They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Im pretty sure mark twain originally said that
A smart person would stop arguing and try something else.
When you consider Covid-19 vaccine passports and how quick so many people were to accept, advocate for, and demand they be implemented on everyone suddenly the notion of not being able to buy or sell without a mark on one's right hand or forehead doesn't seem all that far-fetched.
Being born and raised and still living in Alabama, I can confirm that he represents 99% of the population on this subject 😂😂🤦🏾♂️
Born in MS staying in AL and yea this was what I heard in Baptist schooling and from most people.
That's unfortunate but growing up catholic in Boston was a tour of a mental facility as well.....they still act like oppressive conquerors who own it all in that church.
Lol so, absolutely zero critical thinking skills?!
Whatever the pastor says is 100% completely irrefutable truth?!!!
That's so sad and pathetic.
No wonder why Republicans love you all. You'll believe ANYTHING they say as long as they love Jesus 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I've heard that often when meeting people in Alabama for the first time, one of the first questions they ask you is what church you go to.
@@dx1450 Basically... because that's the norm down there.
“We can close it up now. I understand.”
I’d bet money that you don’t.
It's really terrifying how little some people know about the world around them. This is why shows like these are so important. This is why critical thinking skills are vital.
You are so much better than me bc I find it wholly frustrating and infuriating how the vast majority of Americans just refuse to think bc the truth may hurt their feelings. I find it to be most cowardly and am constantly railing about the lack of critical thinking
The saddest thing is that Antonio thinks that he's smart. Bless his heart.
Dunning Kruger and heavy duty biblical indoctrination.
the saddest thing is he's probably surrounded by people who think it's rude/mean to point out what blubbering idiot he sounds like; that he's a vapid bloviator
LOL
@R Boland
and... Just out of curiosity... What is that ?
Down here in sydney, i'm genuinely curious to hear what it means in south america
@@martinkuliza he meant the south of the USA and bless your heart basically means fk off.
Antonio is a prime example of how Christian Fundamentalism can cripple one`s cognitive critical thinking skills and potential to learn. The sad thing is he`s probably not stupid just sort of seems that way because he`s in such a dogma trying to make sense of nonsense, it`s so sad 😥
No, he's stupid. And religion loves stupid people.
Actually I think he's probably low IQ. How people speak and engage gives an indicator while not not being a foolproof test. Okay, a bit of a gut reaction but enough experience of life allows one to develop such assessment skills. It's an evolutionary skill that has kept many generations safe through countless millenia.
IQ isn't a good measure of intelligence.
@@CyreniTheMage
Yes but in this case I think it would be a good yardstick.
@@duncanbryson1167 I don`t want to make too much judgement about Antonio`s IQ, but I`m betting if he hadn't been so propagandized into his literal belief in the Bible he would sound at least a little more reasonable than he dose.
Stars can literally fall to earth? Are you serious? Giant balls(like mind boggling levels of big) of plasma that close to earth would kill everything on it BEFORE it even got CLOSE (cosmologically). Dude needs to put down the bibble and watch some discovery channel.
There are millions just like him unfortunately.
I would not be able to continue a conversation with him after that. Then he questions how do we know the size of stars. Antonio is terrifyingly ignorant. But that's what it takes to believe in the Bible literally.
Maybe this is a reference to asteroids,but this guy was talking bonkers
Kind of disappointed that they didn't tell him our Sun is a star
The scariest part about this call was Antonio probably hung up and thought he won and outsmarted them….
He represents a disgustingly large percent of Adults. He has the scientific understanding of a 4 year old and the confidence of someone who just won the gold at the Olympics.
Damn Antonio’s argument is so logical, I now believe in talking snakes, a talking donkey, a man that lived inside a whale, a man that had super strength from having long hair, a man that parted a sea, a man that turned water into wine, zombies, giants, angels sleeping with humans, a global flood with a floating zoo, all of it! Thanks Antonio!
God I feel so stupid for ever believing that shit
Callers like this are always a little reminder to not be so cocksure of myself. For this I am thankful.
Callers like this are so stupid it makes me more cocksure of myself!
You are obviously past the trough and well up the second slope of Dunning Kruger. I'd place myself in the same vicinity 😉
@@duncanbryson1167 But every sufferer from that particular illness puts themselves right there too!
Its the difference between you (and myself) being conciously incompetent whereas people like Antonio are unconciously incompetent.
@@petyrkowalski9887 Very well put.
I dont think its a coincidence that everyone who is a Biblical literalist is also scientifically illiterate, or at the very least, misrepresenting what the science actually says.
On a different note, when it comes to these kinds of conversations, especially biology related topics, Forrest should do most of the talking, JMIKE tends to confuse people with the way that he expresses his thoughts, wandering from one thought to another, which seems hard for a lot of the callers to follow, dont get me wrong though, I love JMIKE, but on these kinds of topics I think that Forrest needs to do most of the talking.
I enjoy the way Forrest and JMIKE play off of each other and feel Forrest wouldn't be as clear to the caller without the input from JMIKE.
Alabama - what do you expect? lol
If i understand science so bad that something illogical looks somewhat like it fits one fact does that makes the illogical thing logical?
He wasn’t gonna understand Forrest. Forrest is 100% correct, and he’s explaining it correctly, but JMike is pretty good at giving an example of what he was saying from a different lens. Sometimes it helps to have two perspectives. Not everyone sees info the same way.
Agreed.
JMike knows the topics, but he’s not adept at speaking to the callers at their level. I would not be surprised if most callers either feel they “won” the debate or they leave more confused than when they first called.
Antonio's style of getting his point across reminds me of my brother. The goal post constantly moves, and he talks over others as if it asserts his point. I appreciate watching how you calmly address and rebuttal his points. It gives me the tools to do so also.
How old's your bro?
@@Horus-Lupercal 40
This person has an amazingly deep voice for a four year old.
lmao poor fella
🤣🤣🤣
😂🤣😂🤣
This guy is the embodiment of the argument from incredulity.
After watching this show for 15 years, I can now sum up the bulk of it's callers arguments.
Caller: my book of magic claims 4+4= Swiss cheese.
AXP: If you open up any rudimentary math book, you will see 4+4=8.
Caller: No.
AXP: What??
Caller: Hey, look it up.
AXP: I'm holding a math book in my hand right now. Look at this page the camera is zooming in on. It literally explains how & why 4+4 equals 8.
Caller: I know the truth. Big Math is hiding the truth.
AXP: if you have 4 apples, & I have 4 apples, how many apples do we have if added up??
Caller: Swiss - CHEESE.
AXP: 😳
Pretty much sums it up.
8 has two holes. Swiss cheese has holes. Praise Yahweh!
😂🤣love this!
That's about right
A Long time ago i used to be a minister, I literally went on a 15 year journey to find the truth of all this (this was PRE Internet years)
What they are doing today is basically the same thing that i was doing
Except
- They are able to reach more people
- They have a larger sample size of people who they have spoken to
but honestly.... i found the same conclusion
i found the following to be true
- Either the person was clearly crazy (Yes, i even listened to crazy people)
- Sometimes the person said they were an atheist (You need to understand also that back then the term was new and meant a completely different thing) and they people were arrogant and wouldn't believe in god even if it was proven
- Then you have a person who believed with all their heart.
i could generally divide these people into 2 groups
Group 1 - Tragic backstory and a need to hang onto a coping device such as god,
usually i heard
I was raped
i was bashed
My father died when i was young
My mother died when i was young
I went through a war
I had an accident that sent me to hospital and i narrowly survived
I was in prison and right in the cell god came to me
usually it was stuff like that
Group 2 - These were just stupid and would believe anything you told them.
i literally made shit up about god that wasn't true but worded it in a way that sounded like it probably was and ... they believed it
Things like
- (after they would get on a roll with a story, i would agree as follows)
Jesus didn't just feed the masses with water and wine he also , to prove that he was jesus gave people the power to walk on water.
In Matthew in the bible it talks about how a women fell out of a boat and didn't know how to swim and as she fell out of the boat she landed on the surface of the water but didn't sink but instead just laid on the surface as if it was glass and jesus spoke to her and said, you shall not drown my child , as your faith in the lord runs deep and he is here with you looking over you
AND... THEY BELIEVED THAT LOL
I concluded these people to be stupid.... nothing more than that
I really only ever (After thousands of people) only came across 2 people EVER !!!
that could tell me
- With no backstory of tragedy
- With no signs of being a complete fuckwit
- With no prison time
- With no pattern to connect them to the others
that they know that god exists and they talk to god every day
ONLY 2.... to stand out from the rest
Now, we could debate them of course, but.. WHY ??
The Majority do what the majority do (if that makes sense )
so yeah, these shows basically do what i did and confirm and Re Confirm what i already learned , BUT IN A NEW TIME
Lol “big math”!
JMike hit him with the classic! The drawing a bullseye around the arrow is a favorite of mine when someone is trying to retcon something.
But unfortunately the person doing it will never admit it
@rboland2173
☺️
Things Antonio doesn’t understand: the scientific method, the process of elimination, dust, ribs, life
Or which shoe goes on which foot without help.
Antonio = Mistake Generator
.....Life..the universe and everything.
And here, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is an example of a living brain donor and final PROOF that there is someone who has an IQ that is exceeded by his shoe size.
Jesus H Christ.
Lol.
*anything
Antonio is afraid of the words “I don’t know” like most are Christians.
@rocknroll1973 ikr
Lol I love the silence after they explained the flood couldn’t have happened.
Dudes’ head literally had a 404 error 😆
A 500 Internal Server Error!
LOL
No.....
A FATAL EXCEPTION HAS OCCURRED AT 0x00ANTONIO'S BRAIN
* Press Any Key to Terminate the Current Application
* Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE To Restart Antonio's Brain
PRESS ANY KEY TO CONTINUE
@@martinkuliza so, how did all this water arrive on earth???
@@nigelmcculloch3746
Man your question is stupid
ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN
1. "ARRIVE"??? As if it was transported here by a water truck or an alien space ship
2. Your question has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my comment.
My comment was a joke, I had a laugh at the O.P's statement.
What does that have to do with how the fuck water came to be on this planet ?
3. WHO GIVES A FUCK ??
SEE... YOUR COMMENT IS FUCKING STUPID
Now. in the spirit of helping you .....
What are you going to say ?
that water being here somehow proves god
OK, let's take a step back for a second
Let's attack an easier problem to the path to god
CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN GOD
THEY READ THE BIBLE AND FOLLOW THE BIBLE AS THEY BELIEVE THIS
TO BE GOD'S WORDS AND INSTRUCTIONS AND RULES AND COMMANDMENTS ON WHAT TO DO TO PLEASE GOD AND ULTIMATELY TO GET TO HEAVEN AND ETERNAL LIFE
OK
- Let's put aside the fact (and it is a fact) that Moses never existed
- Let's put aside if god exists or not (We can assume that he does if you like)
- Let's put aside whether heaven or hell exists
LET'S GET MORE BASIC
let's just ask this
IS THE BIBLE GOD'S ACTUAL WORD
Because if it's not
1. Christians are following a word other than god's word
2. In doing so they are committing a sin that is punishable by eternity in hell.
Well the answer to that question is
CALL THE PUBLISHER, THE ONE THAT WROTE THE BOOK AND ASK THEM "IS THIS GOD'S WORD"
THE ANSWER YOU WILL GET IS....
"NO IT'S NOT"
that's all you need to know as a christian
as a result you should stop reading the bible
Youc an continue to pray and talk to god if you wish,
nothing else need change about your religion or faith or belief
but... HOW WATER CAME TO BE ON THIS PLANET
HAS..............ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING BEARING ON WHAT I SAID
so mate.. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT.
I merely just laughed at the O.P.'s comment
and as an I.T. Professional i applied a little I.T. Humour of the FATAL EXCEPTION Windows error
Can i really not make a joke without some religious fuckwit
asking me how water came to be on the planet
AND INCIDENTALLY IF YOU HAVE ANY COMPREHENSION OF BASIC SCIENCE AND GEOGRAPHY, YOU SHOULD KNOW
but it's a dumb question that doesn't relate to anything that i said
so... Could you do me a favour and bother someone else with this question
However...
FEEL FREE TO DO THE FOLLOWING
- Make a comment relating to what i actually said
- To make another joke
- To tell me your point of view
But to ask me unrelated comments that are completely stupid and go nowhere
NO MATE.... SORRY I DON'T DO THAT
ok
Hey, Antonio, why do you deny the Hindu Gods when the Bhagavad Gita IS the evidence?
No doubt too complex for him to process this analogy
Or the One Piece Manga proves Eneru
Praise his powerful lightning, spit on that horrible rubber man. Praise Eneru.
@@Soapy-chan_old by far my favorite arc
@@emoryogglethorp8180 It's one of my favs too xD
Another prime example of an ill-educated man that has had religion forced upon him as a child. A man who has been taught that science is bad. To not consider truth. To keep convincing yourself the evidence will fit your hypothesis no matter and if it doesn't, I should attack it.
I disagree. I've dealt with a few creationists who are much more intelligent than Antonio, who would never make the kinds of arguments he was making (but not the global flood one, they use an argument like that as well). (Of course, I've also dealt with a LOT of creationists who are like Antonio.) In Antonio's case, he came across to me as a having an intelligence level in the bottom half of the population on that scale. I won't use the word "idiot" just as an insult, but he did seem to me to be very much not-a-smart-guy.
The issue with "Antonio" is that he has an ego
He believes stars can fall on the earth.........
I just can't....... 😧
@@ookeekthelibrarian i shall check lol
1:45
“have you ever done anything good in your life?“
“Of course.”
“well, then how can you call yourself bad?”
The Ray Comfort Gotcha is so terribly dumb, I can’t believe people don’t vomit in their mouth when they utter it.
Theist's gotcha question: "But you haven't (edit) seen it, right?"
Atheist's response: "Yes. Now name one event in the Bible you have seen directly."
Everything he gave as "evidence" was less observable than "seeing" the stars.
The bones? Inference. Dirt man? Inference. Global flood? Inference.
Strong That Guy energy there. He's used to talking to his own circle which is roughly the same knowledge of science as he does, and doesn't understand he's so far from correct that he's not even wrong, he's just babbling nonsense.
This phenomenon is called Dunning-Kruger.
@@SevenOfNineteen I know of Dunning-Kruger. I pity this poor guy, though, and admire the hosts' patience.
@@AshaCrone imagine literally being a biologist and having some guy talk down to you about how no, ribs *totally* naturally grow back, look it up! Forrest has an unnatural patience lol.
30 seconds in and I feel my head is ready to explode. And keep in mind, these people operate motor vehicles and vote.
And reproduce.
And home school....
You lefties forgot - "and own guuuuns 😥😢😭"
@@twcnz3570 yes. They have guns.
And have children to brain wash
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens when a well-educated expert talks to an idiot.
😅😂🤣🥹
Antonio is probably agreeing with you lol
OK. I give up. Which is which?
@@mikemondano3624
There's three people in the conversation....and I'm now completely confused as well
Even pigeons would refuse to play chess with Antonio.
This channel is so satisfying and I’m glad someone is out there trying to educate
It truly is scary and mind boggling that people believe this nonsense. Listening to a delusional man that barely has a triple digit I.Q. tell Forrest he doesn't understand had me in hysterics.
That shit is crazy and what's scary is he's not the only one lol
So he has an IQ of >100 …
@@advorak8529 IQ is adjusted so that an 'average' IQ is 100, this person sounded 'below average'
Yes, you live and learn. I always thought we were a carbon-based life form; but it turns out we are silicon-based after all.
I don't suppose this guy has thought deeply enough to realise that any organic content in dirt today is the remains of dead vegetable and animal life...and that in the Garden of Eden there wouldn't be any, because Big G had only just finished creating stuff and nothing had died yet.
Very much isn't triple digits. 100 is average, and this guy is below average.
I'm hoping Forrest is taking " scientific " notes from Antonio for his channel 😂
But for some of that stuff he’ll have to “look it up.”
The part about the rib. 😂 so many misconceptions and assumptions needed to make that work.
Don’t tell him that the tech to do something like that didn’t exist back then…
Exactly I had half a rib removed to have my lung removed due to lung cancer 6 years ago. . . .
I assure you . . . They do not grow back .
Damn... Forrest in an open talk without specific preperation seems still better prepared than most people I ever saw giving prepared lectures.
When Antonio says "the bible is scientific and we just don't understand some of it" he fails to realize that the people who wrote the bible didn't understand science at all, therefore "god". 🤷🤦
AND if said god made all and knows all, and divinely inspired the bible, that god failed miserably at accurately reflecting scientific realities in those writings. Wouldn't that god have told them to write things down that are observable and verifiable still today, even if they didn't understand it? Instead, the writings reflect their understanding of how the world worked at the time.
@@MarkTheRashional You took the words out of my mouth. That's a point I bring up myself every time a creationist says something that makes this specific point relevant. The way I've put it for many years is like this: God is supposed be vastly more intelligent and vastly more knowledgeable than the smartest human beings who have ever existed, so if the Bible really did come from God then it should display vastly more intelligence and reveal vastly superior knowledge to everything ever written by even the most intelligent humans who have ever lived. However, IN REALITY, we could go to ANY public school fifth grade science in the United States, and pick up the science textbook that the class is using, and we would be holding in our hands a book that displays intelligence and reveals knowledge that is vastly superior to anything and everything in the Bible. (The reason I specifically use "fifth grade" is because of the game show that was called "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth-Grader?")
There's a related point I make in regard to Christians who claim to have the power of the Holy Spirit: If you really did have special knowledge that no one else does that you are literally getting from God, well God is supposed to be vastly more intelligent and vastly more knowledgeable than the smartest human beings who have ever existed, so why are you people who claim to have this Holy Spirit not only not able to reveal any superior knowledge, but instead routinely display vastly inferior thinking, precisely as motivated by your belief that you have the Holy Spirit, and also display claimed divine knowledge that is pervasively false and thus horribly inferior? In other words, why are you incapable of backing up your Holy Spirit claim?
Great little vid. IF youve ever read Genesis 1 and 2, the very book of Genesis proves that the God of the Bible either doesn't exist, or is not all-powerful: the very fact that "God" didn't know why Adam was hiding from him, didn't know where Adam was, so he's calling out to Adam, God also didn't know why Adam KNEW he was naked, so he asks "Who told you you were naked?" Its total nonsense.
Adam and Eve died and just became worthless and useless dusts on earth forever as a CONSEQUENCE of their arrogance and foolishness in mocking, defying, and opposing the authority, guidance, and commandments of their own Creator.
Adam and Eve rejected their own Creator as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their own lives and existence.
PRESENT DAY -
All LIARS, cruel, and hateful worshippers of Satan the Devil and believers of the LIES and foolishness of his anti-Christs about Armageddon, Trinity, rapture, reincarnation, hellfire, etc. will just die and become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever like Adam and Eve as the CONSEQUENCE of their arrogance and foolishness in mocking, defying, and opposing the authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and His Christ.
Apologists like to say god was “testing” Adam. He wanted to see if Adam would posses the honesty it took to confront him. Which also is nonsensical, considering this guy is supposed to be all knowing. But hey, forget about logic. Logic is a fancy word for satan. Just forget logic, and believe that everything the Bible says is true. Even though demonstrable evidence suggests otherwise.
You do not think God could be all knowing but at the same time put Himself on Adam and Eves level. to communicate with them for their own good
I never understood...if God is supposedly perfect, why is God angry or jealous? If you put it in the framework that these stories were made and used to control people, it makes perfect sense.
@@trehcrap Adam and Eve are fictional, sorry.
7:39 "mountains of evidence contradicting the global flood" - quite literally!
Antonio saying ‘scientific method’ gave me a chuckle
Excellent video guys! How you can keep calm when dealing with such boneheadedness, is admirable! Theists such as this caller refuse to employ rational thinking and I myself was exactly the same when I was a fundamentalist Christian. Only when I started to educate myself, was I able to break free from the bondage of slavish religious belief. Keep doing what you're doing, it's vital!
Yay
Well said. It's hard for most folks who have never experienced it to understand what it's like to be so mentally hemmed in by an indoctrinated worldview. It's also hard for them to understand just how hard it is to free oneself! I do commend these guys using their platform to try and help folks who are still trapped by such illogical thinking. Glad you got out, mate! We are all the better for letting go of religious ideology!
He speaks so fast(which is often a deceptive tactic to sound truthful and convincing) and immediately follows his point with “Lemme give you another one”. Again another deceptive tactic because then they can’t refute what you said if you’re going off on the next talking point. This guy sounds like he’s a car salesman.
He reminds me of Pastor Locke.
"a salesman"? He couldn't sell a pint of water to a man dying of thirst.
I find it really funny how Christians seem to believe that their religion wasn't literally inspired by a handful of other, older belief systems. It's like listening to a 10-year-old asserting over and over again that, MY ART IS ORIGINAL. *DO NOT STEAL.*
Except for the fact that the Christian faith is unique and distinguishable from religion in every way.
Religion tells man Do
Christ tells man Done.
Religions tend to emphasis human effort and human potential. Christ places zero worth on both human effort and human potential.
Religion tends to downplay who Christ is. In the Christian faith Christ is God incarnate.
@@John-uk8eo 🥱
@@John-uk8eo You are ignoring the greater part of Christianity in order to see what you state here.
All religions are unique and distinguishable from others.
Most, including Christianity, borrow from other religions.
Christianity contains a large chunk of Zoroastrianism, the whole 'Satan opposed to God' comes from that religion, there is nothing like that in Judaism. Most of the nice/kind stuff from Jesus is from the Hillel School, a 'religious think tank' of the time.
@@histreeonics7770
Incorrect, for the simple fact that Christ predates Zoroastrianism. Christianity is unique to man made religions. Including, but not limited to Zoroastrianism.
@@John-uk8eo You couldn't be more wrong. Zoroastrianism is about 4,000 years old and Christianity is about 2,000 years old.
No matter how false it seems, we just don't understand it. Needless to say, that argument could defend any false belief.
EXACTLY LMAO, it’s like he doesn’t understand the flaw of his own argument. With that logic I can argue a simple pebble is the creator of the universe and that this is true, and that who ever claims that it is false, simply just doesn’t understand it
But apparently they understand enough of it, and it’s so complicated that we aren’t supposed to be able to.
It blows my mind that someone could say that it's possible that a star fell to earth. Like... Almost anyone would take this to be metaphorical or to actually mean a meteorite, but to think it's a literal star is to be so mind-bogglingly divorced from reality that I'm genuinely sad.
Meteorites were once called stars of course as astronomy advanced our understanding has changed and thus we called flying rock meteorite.
@@rafsandomierz5313 yes I know this, but I don't think the caller did
It’s scary how hard these believers are willing to twist, turn, & reach to try to post hoc their beliefs instead of just saying, hey, this is bs.
I simply love it when people try to prove their all powerful God by appealing to limitations. Seriously, that dust thing is incredibly stupid: an all powerful creator, who supposedly created EVERYTHING, could have made human out of a gram of Xenon, could he not?
I myself would be grateful if some god out there would make my skeleton with adamantion...
With retractable claws, of course 😎
@@ookeekthelibrarian
*Magneto wanted to know your location*
@@ookeekthelibrarian Just avoid MRI machines at all cost.
Well I mean he created the Sun instantaneously out of nothing
@@atraxisdarkstar Exactly. Meaning that the appeal to "Well, it kinda makes scientific sense" is asinine
Adam here. It really happened! Swear to the guy that kicked me our of paradise that it happened this way. Don't believe me? Ask my girlfriend, Eve.... She's in the shower right now, washing apple juice out of her hair, but when she's done, she can verify it.
Damn bro, what was it like to spawn from dust? Sounds like fun!
@@cesarwitha_t I was really, really thirsty afterwards...
@@antinatalope 🤣🤣🤣
@@CyberBeep_kenshi Man, I loved Preacher! Great show! 👍
@@antinatalope same here, it's hilarious:-)))
Herr Starr is always a win :)
How do you know about stars? Ummmm, that hot bright yellow thing in our sky??
I've never understood the "if you've ever done anything "bad", how can you call yourself a good person?" nonsense. People can't change? People can't feel guilty for doing something? Why is my entire life judged by a single act that I performed perhaps decades ago? And so what? Whether I can or can't claim to be a (generally) "good person" has NOTHING to do with whether a magic sky fairy exists or not.
Caller: "only ribs grow back fully"
Also caller: "Eve was formed by Adams rib"
The statements are contradictory
All animals have trace elements in them
According to this caller, we were made from dirt, can't happen, unless we are all golems.
This caller has the education of a third grader and it's quite evident.
Poor guy. Probably never graduated high school.
If ribs always grew back I'd quit my job and barbecue forever.
It's hog boiling time.
He keeps talking about the scientific method and then the “process of elimination” like they are the same thing. They are essentially opposites: induction vs. deduction.
In my mind while listening to this caller's "argument", I was thinking the same thing you say here. They are not the same! This man is just another terminal victim of Christian indoctrination and celebrates his own ignorance like all the other victims. Too much church, too little education, all topped off with a stubborn unwillingness to even consider the fact that their religious beliefs are preposterous and completely lacking any good evidence.
Dude, Forrest broke this down beautifully. Good stuff buddy.
Antonio is a sad evidence of what the church has done to these poor souls.
I am missing pieces of 7 ribs. They don't grow back...
Nah you're just not gullible enough to be faithful and believe in this crap so that God can do that
You are way too nice .. Matt would have given this guy no more than 30 seconds for spewing all his nonsense
1 minutes exactly actually and a single chance to justify that drivel then he's out.
That's why I can't watch Matt anymore, I would rather hear Forrest give the person a chance to talk and then use evidence and logical rebuttals than watch Matt get frustrated and angry.
@@Mouse_007
He doesn't get frustrated and angry anymore and they instated that 1 minute timer to allow the caller to present his claim. And he does drop them immediately either, he always resorts to let the Co host take over where his patience ends.
@@guytheincognito4186 *doesn't
And while I agree that it's a good thing that he does not drop them or shout them down all the time but lets calmer minds prevail does not mean that his overall approach is good. Just that he is aware that it's not good and that he found ways to cope with it.^^
I am pretty new to this channel, so I am no expert on the hosts, but I think Matt without a patient co-host would be a disaster. Occasionally fun to watch, but a disaster.
@@Alresu
He has his own channel where he makes videos by himself and he's yet been a disaster 🙄 he won't be a disaster here either. The only episodes where anything is a disaster is when the callers go out of their way to just wait until they can talk again, Without listening nor answering the most simple of questions. Trying to judge anything of just those would be disengenious and trying to imply that he's as bad as a few years ago based on the exception of episodes over the rule is likewise disengenious. 🤷♂️
“The 14 elements of dust…”
Brother…anything can be dust.
I wish I could calmly rationally and intelligently debate people like these guys do. Never ceases to impress me 👌🏼
You can :-)
Just do what these guys have done: read, think, listen to channels like this and practice, practice, practice.
Flatearthers video comment sections are a good place to start to pick a fight.
Remember: your goal isn't to persuade, but to sow seeds of doubt.
That is best done by asking genuine questions, because they can't answer and they can't shift the burden over in you.
If they ask questions you should be able to answer by doing a quick search.
Potholer54 has a good video about debunking scientific myths and Greater Sapiens has a lot of old videos debunking flatearthers.
Have fun :-)
"Ribs go back"
And before we can speak to the subject
"Let's move on"
USMC veteran here. I was told it has to be a lawful order from a competent authority. If not, you’re in big trouble.
Ex 🇬🇧 Territorial Army, Royal Engineers. I was just following orders didn't work for the Nazis.
@@duncanbryson1167 But "I'm a Nazi scientist" sure did save them.
@@EustaBAracer
Pragmatism I suppose, Cold War and all that. While responsible for many death, they didn't carry out actions in the extermination camps.
@@duncanbryson1167 pretty much. Expedient politics. We were allied with Stalin and Mao during WW2, "the enemy of my enemy..."
This is likely one of the least productive calls I've ever seen on any of these shows. The absolute lack of understanding, in conjunction with the unabashed arrogance, combine to make a truly incredible amount of willful ignorance in one person
Woah buddy, you must be new LOL Go look up early Atheist Experience vids where people are legit arguing from the "look at the trees and the clouds" and "what do you think wakes you up" positions. XD
But yeah, this was fucking useless, no blame to the hosts. Dude wouldn't be honest.
i am sure you are much smarter, but that and even a fist full cash you have earned for being smart will get you to where Antonio is going
🤦♂️
@@sideboob6851 Our sinful bodies will be worm food, but God will raise that worm food and give us a new everlasting body. From worm food to a new spiritual body in a twinkling of an eye. Because Jesus rose from the dead so will we. Those that believe on Him to everlasting life with Him, and those who do not to a place prepared for the devil and his angels where there will be unquenchable fire and thirst, weeping and gnashing of teeth, and the worm will not die
Antonio (AL) has called before. Can’t think worth shit. Actively fights against learning anything.
This video was extremely insightful and informative, thank you AXP!!
Antonio's beliefs now are mainstream in the Supreme Court and lower courts, and many states and in congress. A fundamentalist judge in Amarillo Texas is now determining whether a medication is safe and effective based on his religious beliefs. Hallelujah!
I'm pretty sure this was Herschel Walker just trying to practice his debate skills😂😂
He's got plenty of room for growth
I suspected it was Herschel early on but there was no mention of werewolves and vampires!
Serious question: if snakes were cursed to crawl on their bellies because of this, what form of locomotion did they have BEFORE the garden? Did they coil like a spring and bounce around?
Wheels. Definitely wheel 💿🐍💿
@@CyberBeep_kenshi
Or maybe they bit their tails and rolled like a hula hoop. Either way, that's more horrifying than slithering. Can you imagine minding your own business only to have an anaconda pogo stick bouncing towards you?
@@zoggdawg8141 Let's not get started on Drop Bears, hey?
hahahaha, and that is your serious question? Really? hahahahahaha,
All you'll get are serious answers for you serious question....
@@jaflenbond7854
Can't even answer it, can ya?
Troll somewhere else.
Telling a scientist to "look it up" is very ironic.
When he started talking about stars… that’s when he convinced me ☺️
During the last minute, you could almost see the despair for humanity in Forrest’s face.
He fucking ended with “it’s just a theory” right after giving huge hints that he doesn’t understand anything about any subject and that just proved it.
I feel you, Forest! I feel you…
On rib regeneration 1- other mammals also show regeneration so not unique to humans
2- the perichondrium must remain (so more complex process than rib magically regrowing)
Most biblical scholars would never say that Adam and Eve were real.
Are you a believer of the the Bible scholars?
OR
you are studying, analyzing, interpreting, and understanding the Bible on your own?
Which is which?
I doubt that, but they would be wrong
Anyone who would believe that man was made from mud is a moron. We are carbon based lifeforms.
@@sideboob6851 We are to believe God over man
@@trehcrap why believe god exists in the first place
As a reptile keeper, I wish my snakes could talk to me lol.
Would be nice to know if they are hungry, or too hot, or have a weird itch under a scale.
@@shanewilson7994 This is true lol.
You want one of your snakes to possessed by Satan?
@@trehcrap Satin would have to be real for my snakes to be possessed by him lol.
@@trehcrap you are hilarious.
Considering yourself a "good person" and actually being a good person are often two completely unrelated things.
You’re wrong.
David Bowie fell to Earth, and he was a HUGE star!!
I’m pretty sure that you could illustrate to this guy that ice cream is not just made out of ice and cream by showing him the ingredients on the back of the container… And he would refute your illustration by saying that you only see it that way because you’re choosing to see it that way
Worst things about these calls is that is very rare for the theist to listen and understand the flaws in their logic. He won’t go away and actually study then draw conclusions. He will continue to draw the bullseyes around the arrow.
Look up Morton's Demon.
I think Dr. Morton explained it well.
I am uneducated and believe in magic. Prove me wrong. You can’t because I don’t understand your explanation!!!
It’s really depressing that you can hear when he turns off his brain. It sounds like he’s trying to be honest, within the nonsense he’s been taught. But when he gets no agreement with that nonsense, he gives up on convincing others, rather than examine his own claims.
I honestly hope he reaches out again.
Antonio affirmed in front of all of us that he believes a man can live in the belly of a whale for 3 days and that a star can fall to the earth. My word.
I really hey tited of people who think 3x the amount of water on earth just magically appeared and disappeared in 1 year
Love these two hosts.
12:35 JMike: Gives a great example of how not to find evidence, with the Bad Day Fairy. He asks Antonio: Do you see what I mean at all?
Antonio: ....No......
🙄
01:15 "God is perfect, if god sends you to do something god already knows the outcome"
Well except for that time when;
god had to look for Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden
god had to ask Cain what happened to his brother Abel
god didn't know that the tower of babel had been built and he then altered everyone's languages
god tested Abraham's faith by commanding Abraham to sacrifice his son because god didn't know how strong Abraham's faith was
god sent two angels to Sodom to see what was going on there
Other than that, perfect knowledge..
G0d didn't know who lived in which house in Egypt and had to get his chosen people to daub lambs blood on their door posts so he wouldn't kill their kids by mistake.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 😆
Today’s lesson: if you talk fast enough, it doesn’t matter if any individual thing you say makes any sense.
Antonio made at least 500 Christians leave the religion.
I hope the brain cells I lost listening to that caller can repair themselves.
The pathetic thing is that this caller actually believes he was making valid arguments and will only be bolstered by this. He'll be claiming he schooled these athletes lol.
"Athletes" indeed lmao 🤣 You are being sarcastic, right?
@@Muchoyo Yes. lol.
The Forbidden Fruit has been downgraded to Strongly Advised Against Fruit. Please adjust your diet apps accordingly ☺️
Have you been out to see the stars, shaking my head.
"yall wont let me talk!!!!!!!!" Person who keeps interrupting
Somehow I feel like Antonio got off the phone and went back into his life talking about how dumb these idiot atheists are and how they didn't understand how the Bible is obviously above reproach and they think they know better than God.
Then again maybe that's a very sad plus for him because he really didn't seem to want to know or think anything than he did before you answered the call
Dunning Kruger
@James Hodson
🤣 Did he overestimate his ability
Yep…he sure showed them atheists a thing or two.