Until either of those singers go on hormones/have surgery to change their voices, their vocal abilities (especially their vocal ranges) are always going to be limited by their biological sex and that’s just a harsh reality of it.
it's funny how some of them struggle to sing their own songs while standing still and wearing a comfortable outfit... meanwhile ariana grande is sprinting across the stage in 10 inch heels while flawlessly belting at the top of her range
@@Diego-gg1rc every single one of them work harder than them, cause they're always the target to do something better, that's why people come after singers like SZA, Sabrina claudio, summer walker, selena gomez, becouse they're not vocalists, and still do way more than the guys '
It's a stylistic preference. Usher, Justin Bieber, Justin Timberlake, Bruno Mars, Michael Jackson, Jason Derulo, Michael Jagger, Chris Brown, NSYNC, BTS, they all sing and dance. From a few moments of madness, to entire well planned out choreography. There are many who play instruments while singing, so what do they do specifically that no male does?
As once Queen Taylor Swift said and I quote, “Female artists in music have dominated this decade in growth, streaming, record and ticket sales, and critical acclaim. So why are we doing so well? Because we have to grow fast. We have to work this hard, we have to prove that we deserve this, and we have to top our last achievements.”
Agreed, but it also has to do with what the fans of said artist expect. Artist like Taylor Swift are mostly followed by girls and us gays, and we expect that kind of drama theatrics and vocal slayege. Male singers tend to do different types of music as well, Ed Sheehan, Charlie puth, Shawn can do just find with their lyrics, their guitar/piano, and their looks, usually theit music is more similar to Taylor's folklore, but because women of the past put the bar so high (cause they had to) women nowadays are expected to reach those standards. Nowadays I also feel like unless you are a rapper it's harder to grow as a male artist.
Hayley Williams running around the stage, hyping crowds and still delivering them high notes like her vocal chords are made of wind! She's stupid good.
Stupid good indeed. However (and this is a hot take), she ain't no pop star. She's more of in the vein of rock and alt rock. Frontmen and women SHOULD know how to hype up crowds. Rockstars should know banter cause no one is there to watch them dance. Also doesn't help that Paramore came out in the age where live shows were crazy and showmanship was part of the deal (all the guitar flipping and jumping around). I remember the watching We The Kings on a mall tour here in the Philippines and they were all around the stage. That era performers was epic and Hayley was the best at the showman thing lol
@@hunniii2356 rihannas songs got written by men though??? The music industry would be boring without male AND female artist even though women are expected to peform extremely well males usually are the writers and producers. I really hate this men vs women thing. Theyre usually built on ignorance, biases.
It’s so frustrating because female singers are expecting to put on a whole ass show. With most female pop singers doing dance numbers, costume changes, walking/running in heels and belting lyrics. Where as men are praised/given the same credit for just standing there. This is more a comment on media because it is up to the artist in what they do onstage. But I fell that female singers are pressured into doing these big stage numbers to ensure they get the recognition they deserve for their vocals alone.
That's why for a long time the only male artists I followed were kpop idols, because they do the whole shebang (they also often have incredible ranges it's crazy)
So much more is expected of female performers: amazing vocals, top-notch dancing, massive stage productions and music videos, a brand new style every 'era', stunning looks, sexiness, eternal youth.
Right? I watched Saweetie’s performance on SNL and she was doing well before she danced, but then her dancing was so awkward. Same with Dua Lipa. Why do women have to sound good AND dance while men can just strut around the stage and get fancy lighting effects and that’s fine?
True! Just look at the shows right here in this video🤣 the guys just standing on stage maybe walking or jogging from one end to the other or even just standing or sitting in front or the mic whilst the women also have a killer choreo and performance and still sing better... And i don't say this to shame the guys or say that they are less talented or capable of performing, but it shows that women just have to give 200% to match the attention and recocnition male singers get... i wonder what would happen if there weren't male and female categories in music awards...🤔
Just responding to the question in the thumbnail: Do they NEED to? No - because generally, men get praised for being mediocre. Women aren't afforded the same luxury. SHOULD they do better? Absolutely 💙
You are not lying or even exaggerating. I thought someone like Ariana would be the most streamed on Spotify...oh my, how wrong I was and it literally doesn't make sense because the male singers who are more streamed than her are nowhere near as talented.
Let’s not forget that even though males singers are views as performers, people expect females singers to give a big good show especially girl groups. We saw this with one directions, little mix and fifth harmony, the GP always expected 5h and LM to do big dances routine even though the ladies from both group never were trained to dances( Normani was the only one) but they didn’t expect 1D to do the same and the groups came from the same place.
agreed. male singers can just bring a guitar and call it a day, or continuously create songs within the same genres throughout their careers, while female singers need to constantly recreate themselves
omg yesss, like from vocalist like ariana people expect always a big show and she herself had said it in an interview, she wish she could only sing with her microphone and interact with her fans, but high expectations of the media in female artist would not allow her.
I cant understand why singers need to dance i mean like why they are singers their job is to sing,there is other platforms for dancing. This should not be the case
Can i just say Taylor's voice is literally came from the heavens a gift from the god herself man. The fact that her voice still is this amazing through her long time in industry is so ♡(> ਊ
Remember that Taylor Swift used to get hated and called that she can't sing? Yet, there lots of male singers. Way more than you imagine who aren't capable singing as stable as her in the concert. I mean this is still way back then. No one say words to them but Taylor getting so much hate and mock saying she couldn't sing and all.. Ugh this world is nasty
They haven't heard Taylor's Grammy performances or long pond sessions. Her vocals are amazing but her strongest point is songwriting. Half of these people need like 12 song writers to make a hit while Taylor does that alone and I think people forget or ignore that bc well they love to hate.
It's so annoying that the one area that should be naturally better for males (the lower register) is consistently underdeveloped amongst the pop males.
@@ThePianoguy89 please use common sense..female vocal cords are naturally thin shaped that they can reach high notes with ease and males with wider vocal cords tends to be comfortable with low notes lol
I know it's not exactly a pop singer, but Mitch Grassi from Pentatonix is a great example of an amazingly skilled male singer. But yes, I do agree that males need to do better hahahah.
@@Itsaramis13 why do you say that? Acapella is indeed different from the usual tracks that we listen on the radio that have an instrument or a software to produce bass etc, because it's all done with voices. I think you can be that good before you reach a kind of plateau of greatness. That said, I still believe that Pentatonix is way more than that, but if that's your opinion, than it's all good.
This is legit one of the reasons that musical theater people are so hype. Men in musical theater generally have the training and are often in high-energy performances (dancing etc) like 8 times per week so the top of the field are actually all amazing vocalists 😊
at least now there are more baritones out there in the scene like Troye Sivan, V from BTS, Frank Ocean, Harry Styles, Joji, etc. So at least more baritones are out there
Personally, I think we need to stop praising the bare minimum and actually start praising great male vocalists rather than just pretty boys that can carry a tune.
The irony is that there are underrated male singers also. Nick Jonas actually doesn’t get enough credit vocally. Just because his pop voice isn’t very loud doesn’t mean he isn’t good. He effortlessly jumps between his chest, head, mix & falsetto so quickly.
Gosh no. Pez is now in a new and healthy relationship and even hs a baby and you all still don’t let this go🥲 I feel like now with the zayn and gigi story them mixer will bring it up again especially since they are convinced gigi stole zayn from pesminda
@@Das644 mixers don't care about that 6 year old expired relationship 💀 and what, they "believe" she stole him? Why would we bring that up lmao. It's not 2016 anymore and Perrie has settled permanently with a baby and her boyfriend. We don't care about what was between her and zayn anymore 😭
I think there are a lot of male singers doing basic singing and not recieving a critique (or not so much) about that but any female vocalist (like Madonna) who does basic singing) is criticized to death because of that
@@jackdawkins1241 No, It has nothing to do with gender or sexuality- It's based on wanna-be singers. It's only people who want to sing themselves who do this. (most people can't really tell how hard a vocal is and mostly just assume that it's genetic) We can argue that most wanna-be singers are either women or LGBTQ, but considering that men who are wanna-be singers are just as bad... It can be said that the internet vocal community isn't really very representative of their communities outside of the vocal community. So gender and sexuality is just kind of irrelevant and missing the point. Besides, No one's blaming men for this. To try and distance men from stan wars is unnecessarily defensive. Especially when you try to distance men from pop music- Pop music is short for popular music, and considering that men contribute to the music industry probably just as much as women do, they definitely care about pop music. They'd have to be going incredibly far out of their way to avoid pop music- Chances are you'd have to literally abandon your favourite artist at some point to avoid it. And no person is going to be doing that unless they have a vendetta against people in general.
Taylor's Low register is just unbelievable. Her high notes affects me in a certain height but hearing her reach low notes conveys so much more new emotions.
Love the recognition of the low notes on Taylor Swift's folklore. As a woman with a lower register its SO nice to have an album like that w songs I can actually SING
Female singers needs to work ten times more to impress the industry, even if they're not great singers, they need to dance well have amazing music videos etc, some male singers don't do that and get to #1 easily
EXACTLY!!!! Like Justin Bieber's Yummy got nominated to the Grammys and for what ??!! Little mix were once told by their label to flirt with a radio host to get their song on the radio but they refused.... And now they are one the biggest girl bands in the world with almost Zero promotion in America..... 🥳
@@philipp3001 the thing is, the male chart toppers you see out there are nowhere near as talented as the girls, and if they are, they don't need to bring huge shows to impress the media and the industry like the big girls that are in the top HAVE to deliver everytime, it's never just one thing or two, the girls needs the complete package
I think the only male singer besides Sam Smith would be Bruno Mars that can probably keep up with the female singers. This is a great video. It shows how versatile these female singers are. These women can probably sing tenor, alto, soprano and bass. Some female singers can sing in any key of the piano. I think for women Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey and Aretha Franklin are like their number 1 influences. Interesting cause I hear men in RnB name their influences but the men in pop I don't really hear them mention their influences like that.
My sister always tells me: 1D is way better than little mix. I ask her: why? ‘They get the most awards and are very popular’ I wonder… doesnt she consider the fact that’s wrong…. Little mix work so so hard and are so talented and are still so underrated. I am not talking 1D down, just trying to talk LM up. They are so talented oh my… Thanks for starting this
1D guys are fine, but Little Mix always worked much harder in all kinds of work, if it was singing, dancing, writing, making music videos, photoshoots or even just interviews, Little Mix have to work 50x harder and still are not praised how boyband like 1D was, it's really sad, it's nothing against 1D, all 5 are very talented and everything, but these girls are even more talented and have to work much more and still not getting credit and praise they deserve is horrible and just disgusting in my opinion.
I literally teared up listening to little mix Secret love song live.. Their vocals are amazing 1D songs are catchy but you can't compare talent with popularity 🌸😁
I so appreciate you including clips of Taylor Swift in a complimentary manor. People have said she can’t sing from the beginning of her career (which was NEVER true), but she also has grown SO much as a vocalist since her first album. Thank you for appreciating her growth and hard work!
this comment is sweet. i agree!! taylor swift was picked apart because she was/is a threat. a beautiful, young, skilled, hard working, and motivated woman. how terrifying! atleast to the patriarchy that we unfortunately still live in. she was never really bad. even during her debut, being so new to the industry, thrust onto the stage at 16/17. sure, she had some pitch issues and shakiness but she was a child. she always looked ahead and took criticism well, genuinely wanting to be her best. the improvement during the speak now tour was incredible and should've been enough for people to drop that repetitive bs. she had some difficulties during red and 1989 but i give her the benefit of the doubt as she was working alot, she was clearly impacted by the hate and was having health issues because of her ed. reputation was amazing, she was finally able to showcase more of her skill and her matured tone. and since 2017 she's been quite impressive. she can do it all but my favourite thing is her lows. folklore and evermore are definitely challenging. that's another thing! people look to loud belting and unspeakable high notes/whistles. we never talk about lows, breath control etc. taylor's discography is filled with songs that definitely take more than the average voice to pull off. 😅
@@littlelou050 yes but also, i think people just get annoyed when taylor is put in the same category as people like ariana or kelly. shes just not a phenomenal singer which is fine, she doesn’t need to be. she’s outdoing everyone with her songwriting.
Honestly the new female artists(doja, Meghan, Olivia, etc.) coming up are leaving a MUCH bigger impact and talent than the newer male artists coming up in the mainstream..... no offense..... And the other females who have been here for a few years (Taylor, Ariana, Adele, little mix, etc.) are still holding up as they should and leaving their marks forever as they should...... 😇
except conan gray, I don't see upcoming male artists making any significant impact (in fact, TH-cam Nerd Core raps of anime are much more better than some of the stuff in mainstream)
yeah, listening to the radio the only male lead songs that stick in my head are there because they’re either irritating or cliche. that one song about “i’m on vacation because i was born into privilege and can pick and choose my occupation” is a prick in my minimum wage back that will never leave. i don’t even know the artist’s name! the rest sound like indie pop clones. anyone who isn’t a straight white male in the industry have to work a lot harder, which frankly makes them more appealing.
It's literally THE vocal advantage they're supposed to have over us, the one range that is by-and-large easier for male singers to access (the only other upperhand they have is the strength of their head voice, but that's about tone not range, unless you classify it as a whole other range of voice somehow lol). Men = more testosterone = biologically, statistically, deeper voices. Kind of embarrassing. Though remember, this is only a discussion in pop (and maybe pop rock if you wanna count in modern pop punk bands, and indie bands that don't focus solely on technique, this is why rock is a different discussion). Though female singers even with their more developed lower registers, still tend to have bright and hyperfeminine tones, some deeper/more unique and warmer female tones like WILLOW, Miley, Azealia Banks would be MUCH appreciated :)) AS WELL AS lower register/toned males!!
If you want, Nathan Sykes has a great baritone register. He doesn't utilize it as much as I'd like, but when he does use it it's incredible. And he can actually sing *cough*
@@sp0ngeb00b7 Honestly though it's pretty ridiculous. Shawn Mendes seemed to almsot tap out at a G# when quite the handful of female singers can go to low F. Women literally have men beat even in the male key. Like bruh, forget embarrassing it's absolutely mortifying.
This TH-camr doesn't acknowledge Bruno Mars' existence cause if he did his whole argument is invalid. Is he racist? I don't know but theres too many white men here.
As an opera and musical theatre singer, I gotta say that expectations are Sooo much different. Some of this is biological stuff I wish you went into detail on (ie higher voices start mixing sooner in their range but can often mix higher than lower voices before needing to switch to head voice and whistle register; making it unfair to compare belt range and balance as higher voices need more head voice sooner into that mix due to thin vocal chords) Musical Theatre in particular is THE WORST when it comes to double expectations. The majority of roles on Broadway are for men, there are plenty of gender breakdowns to look at, yet the majority of auditioning actors are cis women or trans or non-binary. Because men are so desperately needed to fill these roles and because so many directors and rights holders are against gender-bent casting, guys don’t need to be as versatile to get consistent roles. Plenty of guys have made full careers singing nothing but Golden Age legit Bari roles where you don’t have to sing above a G4, and then get patted on the back like crazy the one time they stumble through “Bring it home” in concert (Omigaosh, he kinda knows what falsetto is, never seen that one before) where as women need to be skilled in every style and genre to stay a float, every performer known as a legit soprano in MT has either switched over to opera or came to Broadway after decades in opera, or they have several belt roles under their belt from early to mid career (a la Kristen Chenoweth in Charlie Brown/Apple Tree/most of her roles, Audra in Dreamgirls, Jill Paice in Chess), Kelli O’Hara actually fits in both categories. Any modern big belter is also bound to have some legit pieces in their rep (Cynthia Erivo, Taylor Louderman, Sutton Foster, Stephanie J Block) Basically, ladies kinda need a 3 octave range to stay afloat, guys are applauded for having almost 2 octaves.
I mean, that's just basic supply and demand. If musical theatre organization wants to have a greater number of male singers, then they should find a way to appeal to male interests. Same with STEM fields and women. If you have less of something but want more of it, then appeal to it.
Opera singer tragically trying to belt out here, I get it! These ridiculous expectations are really to the detriment of our vocal health. I honestly think some time soon we actors need to go on strike. We’re paid too little for too much work because we’re lucky to be employed, even at the very top. If you want top notch performers, you best be paying for them.
To be fair to Harry Styles, you mostly showed clips of him when he was in 1D. Since then his technique has improved, and his range has increased to hit those rock ballads he is known for in his solo career.
Not by huge amount, to be fair. he showed late clips of one d and his voice really is about the same. however there is a HUGE difference in his voice from early one d to later one d
not really, he still strains his voice, and as much as I like his music I feel like his songs are great from a production stand point but are not great to be performed live, some of them are very difficult (sott, lights up, adore you) and trying to hit those notes every night can be very exhausting, so yeah his voice has obviously matured but he needs to work on his technique
When it comes to lower registers, sadly a higher register is what is seen as more impressive to the public, with both men and women. There’s rarely any popular artists outside of the country or blues area that get recognized for their low registers.
Taylor Swift? Hayley Williams? Lady Gaga? Miley Cyrus? Adele?, Dua Lipa? Tori Kelly?, Jojo? Christina Aguilera? Lana Del Rey? Lorde? There are a lot female singers that perform very well in their lower registers with comfort and also some technique.
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984 I think the wording's a bit off with the OP, but what I think the OP was trying to say was that lower registers rarely ever get recognized for their talent. We have often seen people praising Mariah, Whitney, Demi or Ariana for their belts/high notes, but we usually don't hear people saying things like "I love how Miley/Cher/Lana etc hit that low note"
I think your point about the "rocker" expectation is on point. Rock has always been a common man's genre. Vocalists often didn't come from formal training, and were often just working people with something to say. One of the big selling points is emotion turned up to 11, which is probably why I like vocal imperfection in blues and rock and roll but not in pop. So this is less on the artists and more on the people who consume the products. Proficient male singers absolutely do exist. They just don't sell as well.
@@icyhugs I don't know about the others but Freddie Mercury had very raw vocals. His riffs and runs tended to meander back and forth. Someone tried auto tuning his riffs and he ended up sounding like a pop princess. The men in the Eagles were very raw as well. Henley had a very strained vocal style, Frey had a smooth voice but had narrow range, and Meisner couldn't hit the high notes of his own songs live.
i think it's not about how high they can sing but their efforts to create a memorable album, performance, production, Look how lazy Drake , bieber with the same sh*t and can pass so easily . while Taylor swift, Lady Gaga have to change genres and still kill it . also do not forget about Miley cyrus, Ariana Grande,.
Yes. The discography of Artists like Taylor, Ariana, Gaga is so versatile. Unlike artists like Ed Sheeran and Shawn Mendes who are just the dollar store and Walmart version of each other.
@@samiajunaid7021 you're clearly just hating if you can't see the versatility and creativeness of Ed Sheeran lol I can't vouch for Shawn's but clearly he has gotten a lot better since his early years.
@@saulgoodman8788 I was comparing them. They are incredibly similar and no I'm not hating I actually listen to both of their music but neither of them have any originality so to speak. And all of their music sounds the same, not necessarily a bad thing, but there is no versatility that they bring to the table. If you disagree, that's your view, I'm not trying to cancel it out.
@@samiajunaid7021 I can't accept that you're saying that Ed Sheeran doesn't have versatility (especially his earlier songs), you might be saying that because a lot of his songs involve a guitar, the same with Shawn Mendes. And if you're gonna talk about originality, I think it's not fair if you think that Ariana has one since she's been notorious for copying black music a lot of the times and versatility when most of her singles all talk about sex, not that it's bad it's just funny to consider her versatile given this fact. But Taylor and Gaga's discography really are versatile.
the problem lies with the audience. i for one am always interested in male vocalists but can hardly find videos on them, whether it be their abilities or vocal ranges, these kinda videos for male singers are hard to come by. maybe if we stopped pitting women against each other and actually looked deeper into male vocalists then maybe they can put to a higher standard.
You get the point, but totally missed the reason. The audience simply are asking for higher pitch voices. I mean, that's not just a coincidence that 1 every 5 comments in this section is talking about Arianna. And the ones who doesn't, has at least an answer talking about her.
I agree, i feel like audiences and fans of male singers are so quickly satisfied with what male singers do. But female singers are always demanded to try something new and rebuild themselves for each era
@@anonymousdiamond9321 As queen taylor stated in miss americana...female singers have to rebuild themselves, their genre 10 more times than a male singer
@@anonymousdiamond9321 Perhaps male singers and female singers appeal to different audiences and tastes, and therefore different expectations are foisted on them? Both singing "pop," music shouldn't automatically imply that their audience makeup is the exact same.
Men get praised for doing the bare minimum but women gets criticized for just breathing. Not only in pop category, but in all category. Women don't get any credit.
Shawn Mendes' improvement is very admirable. You can tell he has put in the work to improve. Going from a self taught singer to actually taking vocal lessons has helped him tremendously. He really is putting in effort and it shows. Good for him.
I always find it funny that having perfect pitch is a blessing but might also be a curse to Charlie Puth. Because boy sings off key quite often, he must be really annoyed with his own voice. 😂
That's what I'm thinking. I'm wondering why he's using a lot of autotunes. Now I understand that perfect pitch doesn't really mean that you have also a perfect vocal that hit it on key
That's exactly what I was thinking hahaha when I saw the one call away cut on this video I just wasn't satisfied and I was like "im sure he also feels the same way " 😅
Propably it's because perfect pitch doesn't exist in the way you think it exists. If it existed even Pavorotti (Who also has "perfect pitch" and is better to sing sustained notes (bc he is a classical singer)) would sound like a robot. To ilustrate better, imagine that pitch is a yellow line that go up and down everytime. It happens because our vocal folda has to vibrate to make a sound. So when you sing a note this line goes up and down really fast. Frequently these vibrations will simply not be able to stay the same, they will also fails to go down or up. Here, a good video about that: th-cam.com/video/OBk7BnIA12c/w-d-xo.html
I'm still waiting for the day to come when we'll be introduced to a male vocal powerhouse like the girls (a male Beyoncé, Xtina, Whitney, Mariah, etc.) We had MJ, Usher, Luther Vandross, and we have Bruno and Brendon Urie doing their thing, but they are still short in numbers. Meanwhile, Shawn Mendes somehow got crowned 'pRiNcE oF pOp' lmao
Bono, MJ, Dio, Prince, Freddie Mercury, Sting, Michael Hutchence, Bon Jovi, Chris Cornell, Steve Perry, Layne Staley, literally any of these men would destroy any current male vocalist. Actually, probably any prominent/pop culture male vocalist since 2000, with Patrick Stump and Hozier being probably the cream of the crop for the combo of writing/ability/iconography ever since.
Obviously! As an (contr)alto, if I want to achieve the most power and resonance I have to find a song allowing me to belt around A3/C4 (the chorus of "I Don't Care" by Apocalyptica is right on my sweet spot). This is where my voice truly lives and resonates in full. You can expect that male voices resonate and use their full power even lower, but we keep insisting on them trying to belt out C5s in full voice! Of course they'll have to rely on distortion, growls, and other effects to sound good. The higher they go the thinner the notes eventually become. To avoid sounding like they just breathed pure helium, they have to use other effects.
They are all singing like a woman, I mean by that that sometimes listening to male singers I'm not sure if he is male or female. Their best place to belt is lower,but the songs they sing don't have a lot of those notes.. I miss the days when lower registers were a thing..
Wow.. This is so interesting! Actually, If I were to compare it to Kpop, both female and male groups are usually on the same level. It depends on the company a lot, the company SM for example, Is known to make powerhouse vocal groups female and male, like EXO, Super junior, aespa, nct, red velvet, f(x), snsd, SHINee, etc
@@bitterestbird of course I know day6, Ive been into kpop since 2011.. Thank you for telling about Day6 though, theyre a great band with great songs like "Shoot Me", "You were beautiful" and "Congratulations" "The Rose" is another great band, that I recommend
Ppl always expect female artists to be perfect in vocals, girl groups to have awesome breath taking dance routines but for boy bands and male singers, they just have to sing and their songs just have to be catchy, their vocals are just like icing on the cake but in female cases they gotta be good at everything.
Pop singers are waaaay different than metal singers, metal singers in general have great technic, control and knowledge of their voices. Pop males are more of a show than quality itself. My favourite pop singer is Brendon Urie, he definitely knows and controls his voice.
@@Cinnamon_gorll I totally get what you say.and I feel like thats specially in concerts where he gets too excited and just wants to hit those crazy notes (that he can totally hit) but it takes him to prepare for those and listen carefully to his voice.
I agree 100% with this video. I absolutely love artists that can sing in low-register! Lana del rey, Billie Eilish and Lorde come to mind and even Taylor can do a great job especially in songs like Peace!
This video was much-needed!!! I’m a male singer (i sing since im 8 and im 19 now) and i think this is important to talk that famous male singers seems lazy vocally these days. When my voice started to be affecting by puberty, it was hard for me to relate to male singers because i am a baritone and i have a very deep vocal tone and i felt like i could never have their higher/tenor voices. Music industry needs some bass/baritone voices because now, we only have Scott Hoying, Michael Buble & John Legend that are still relevant baritones.
I agree with this . I am 15 year's old and puberty made it hard to sing higher notes . I'm baritone and even though I don't have a vocal couch i have been working on my singing .Now my chest voice full range is C2 - E4 . My falsetto/ head voice is F4-F6 , I'm most comfortable from F4 - F5. Whistle notes are A5 - F6# . My runs are mediocre but In my opinion my breath support is above average . My control over my voice is so bad . I'm working on my transition from chest voice to Head voice , also I would like to improve my chest voice and whistle note range and I'm working on my voice and overall tone . PS I'm a baritone . I have a heavy tone compared to the teners
I’ve seen people complain that The Weeknd has sounded too vocally similar throughout his career. But, since he does such a good job at making interesting lyrics with a variety of subject matter and with a myriad of different production techniques to go along with it, he’s way more than excused from it.
Alex Newell & Bruno Mars are one in a few male singers today who have an impressive vocal track record. Especially Alex. He doesn't like to be put in the countertenor bracket anymore because he feels like he's surpassed it. I would agree.
I also feel like Patrick Stump is an amazing male singer, and has an incredible control over his voice (not only singing but also voice acting and impressions). Idk if he counts or not since he is more known for pop punk
i would love to see a male pop singer like Ariana Grande, with extremely high belts, a great agility, falsetto and whistles tones to throw all over it, and a R&B/Soul influence just to close the package. It would be great honestly.
But at this point why wouldn't you just listen to Ariana Grande ? Extremely high belts, high falsetto and whistle register are not really something you'd easily find in male voice. Regardless of technique.
@@skayles4716 I listen to her, a lot actually. I think that a guy with this type of approaching in his music (Mariah Carey/Ariana Grande - ish) would be something really great in music industry just to break that "guys don't have to be loud" thing. Male artists are mostly recognized about their vocal style, or songwriting, or their artistic persona, but it's really rare see a man been known for his consistent and excellent vocal delivery and technique. The only one I can think more recently is Bruno Mars.
@@thalesviana6177 If you're looking for that kind of style, just go take a look at male R'n'b singers. You might like the likes of Tank, Maxwell, Luke James, Avery Wilson, Durand Bernarr, Ne-yo, Usher, Avant, Terrell Carter and Mario. They're all good falsetto/head voice users, good to great belters and have good to extraordinary agility. You just wont find them belting super super high or using whistle register outside of "for fun" purposes because welp... they're men. =/
@@skayles4716 I love Avery Wilson and Ne-yo (actually I've forgotten of his music, tnx to remind me) and I don't like Usher's tone, but I'll try the others you say. Again, thank you
There's Zayn (he doesn't do whistle notes but he can belt really high for a male and his falsetto is admired by a lot of people. And his entire discography is alternative R&B/electropop so he must have some R&B influences).
i feel like it’s fine for male artists to be mediocre or average at best while females need to be better or the best and if they fail to be better than average they are already criticized
But most people who criticized female singers vocally tho come from the females themselves or lgbtq while most males in general mostly aren’t interested on how high can a singer go and what not. I think it’s a matter of preference. No boy will give a fuck if a girl wears the sme shirt on the same week only a girl will judge base on what other girls wear 🤔
@@xmantrans4846 I think most people, LGBTQ or women included, aren't interested in how high a singer can go. I think it's mostly wanna-be singers who bother with that- Most people outside of the vocal community don't really know what's going on so they can't really tell how difficult something is. Outside of that- Men do give a fuck about appearence. Did you forget that the whole reason why women are so vain in the first place is because they've been pandering to men wants and ideals of men for thousands of years? Don't get me wrong b, Matriarchs cause men to be just as catty as women in the west are, but don't start saying men don't give a fuck when we're the ones who popularised the whole ordeal in the first place and made it a mandatory behaviour in our culture for women.
@@sandy_carpetsthesecond5013 thats why i use the word “most” signifying “not all” but an hefty amount. Yes men care about appearance but most people who put you down for the way you dress are other women themselves i know cause i am girl. Actually most of the general public don’t bother about singing technicalities they just want it to wound good or unique while relating to the lyrics and thats perfectly fine not everyone aspires to be whitneys or celines. I’m just saying stop putting men down for these things cause people who judge these female singers voices are women themselves.
@@xmantrans4846 Literally no one is putting any men down other than the men in the video. The point of the video is to point out that the men have a mostly wimen fanbase who glorify their subpar vocal abilities because they're men. No one is blaming the bias on men, they're just pointing out that the bias of women benefits men and that's unfair.
@@sandy_carpetsthesecond5013 so why is it mens fault they have women fanbases and also mens fault for mostly women who judge these female singers vocally?
Yes. Finally someone said it. Artists like Taylor Swift, Hayley Williams, Ariana Grande and on and on and on … have more talent and creativity in a single EP or Album than most modern male artists have in their entire body of work. Taylor has dropped three number one albums in less than a year in the middle of a pandemic after having her entire catalog and life’s work essentially stolen from her which left her no choice but to re-record all SIX of her albums and that takes an unbelievable amount of work having to work with engineers to duplicate the exact sound and vocals that were made over a decade ago so that fans can listen to the new versions without having to pick between the original or re-recorded ones in case the music didn’t stay authentic and true to the original that they fell in love with years ago. A fucking monumental task and the reason most artists don’t go that route at all. I get hives just thinking about them taking that on lol Ari released two absolutely incredible number one albums in a year of her life that included the Manchester bombings, breaking up with her boyfriend of years, calling off an engagement, and her ex dying of an overdose. In one year. The fact that she delivered two albums was unbelievable in and of itself but to maintain that best of the best quality that all her music has and release what I think is the absolute best work she’s ever made is just harrowing. And I won’t even get into Beyoncé’s career and her Coachella Homecoming performances and documentary after a long and complicated pregnancy with twins …. What the absolute fuck. I know I’m listing three of the best female artists but I honestly feel like everytime I start listening to a new female indie artist I’m just blown away more often than not, so I don’t know what it is, but these ladies are superhuman and while there are obviously exceptions and some truly incredible male artists as well, there’s just not as consistent of a broad spectrum of talented artists. Especially when we’re talking about solo artists. Sorry for the novel. I get passionate. It’s embarrassing. 🤦🏻♀️🤙🏼
This reminds me of a comment Meryl Streep said about female actors being better than male actors bc they really have no choice but to thanks to the sexism and the lack of opportunities given to them to get better, diverse roles. I think the same applies to female pop stars rather it’s vocals, dancing/stage presence, songwriting, artistry, longevity/reinventions, etc they are no choice but to be better bc in the industry sexist discrimination is real and artist development for major label pop stars are basically non existent due to major labels cutting budgets from streaming taking away the massive revenues they used to have when physical albums and digital download were the main consumers. Female pop stars especially female pop stars of color gotta be 100x better while mostly white male pop stars are able to be stale in their talent, meanwhile the most talented male pop stars are the ones who are men of color who thanks to r@cism aren’t given that much prominent or if they do it’s an expectation and a catch
As someone who loves to sing but is a baritone I'm very thankful for Lewis Capaldi and James Arthur's songs. There's definitely a scarce of vocalist that uses more of their lower range in pop music.
In the same manner male kpop artists have to work twice as hard as an american male pop star to be recognized since they have a different nationality(which does make things difficult cuz of the existing prejudice) along with their hard dance routines
I guess i never really noticed this in the pop genre. I generally listen to rock and r&b and male singers in that genre are ridiculously skilled i.e. Brendon Urie. But i never noticed how much more skilled female pop singers are than male ones. Loved this video!
Zayn is one of the pop male singers that stand out vocally but this guy has no stage presence because of anxiety. He did so good during his one direction days though.
The "low notes" of the male singers are an octave above my comfortable range xD I'm glad you kept it real by showing very strong singers for both genders instead of just using something like Justin Bieber vs. Lara Fabian xD great job, keep it up!
I completely agree with what you said in the end. Men in pop were always looked upon as the entertainers and rockers, while females were most always the divas and the vocalists, and that's why today's male singers do poorly vocally compared to female singers.
I’m glad this is being talked about. There is so much double standards with male and female pop stars specifically when it comes to singing. Feels like most of this double standard comes from public perception. Male pop artists get praised more by doing the bare minimum while female pop artists don’t get that same treatment and a lot of the times gets pit against other female pop artists. Lowkey feels like male artists get praised at a higher level because their main audience are females who a lot of the times have crushes on the male artists.
Yeah at that time Nick was brilliant he could play the guitar, drums, bass and piano. He had amazing vocals , his falsettos were brilliant . During the peak Jonas brothers era Nick used to play all the instruments , had most of the parts in songs and even wrote most songs for the Jonas brothers. And after all this he was not less than a frontman like Joe and used to cartwheels and backflips with him. I love Joe and Kevin but Nick was more and still the most talented. However at that time Joes voice wasn't that good now though it's just amazing m
God, men in pop embarrass me, Straight up. And it upsets me too- I'm a dude, and I've always wanted to get into singing, but because I have very few selections to pick between in men (And even then they're still not that good in the general scheme of things), it's resulted in me having to tonally match women and it's just become this cycle of men being bad in pop, which causes untrained male pop stars to tonally match women, which then makes them worse than the generation before them. It's just... eh. Pop is a sad genre.
Yep, they should step it all the way up or better yet, the mainstream ones need to take a step back so the underrated male vocalists who can keep up with the talented mainstream female vocalists, can step forward. Eg. 1. Jordan Fisher 2. Avery Wilson 3. Gabriel Henrique Edit: 4. Adam Lambert (he's somewhat mainstream yet also underrated). It's hard to think of others at the moment, but I'm certain that there are many more.
Clark Beckham Stanaj Luke James Jason Derulo's catalog is trash, but he's really underrated as a vocalist Dan Reynolds ( idk if Imagine Dragons qualifies as pop or rock ) Chris Martin ( one of our few notable baritones btw ) Hozier ( probably baritone as well ) And there's probably a few more but right now I can only think of R'n'b singers
I mean you’re not wrong I personally despise that performance because that’s supposed to be one of the highlights of the song but this guy just RUINED IT The gap in ability was just too wide I’m glad they decided to use part 2 for their live performances because the og just isn’t it
I think it’s possible that a lot of this comes from the standards we have for these singers and the way these standards vary between genders due to deep-rooted stereotypes. We expect these vocalists to shock us and defy our expectations. Because of the way we’ve generalized and stereotyped men and women over the years, seeing men do “well” and be “successful” in what they’re doing is expected. Seeing them show emotion, like many of the men in this video who are viewed as good singers despite not being very technically proficient do, is less expected and, therefore, makes listeners/fans willing to accept this as evidence of the singer being good. However, the generalizations around women in our society make it so that they are required to perfect their technicality, range, musicality, etc., to be considered good. We expect them to portray emotions because of the stereotypical idea that women are naturally emotional. Because women, who were not allowed in the workforce - especially not the professional workforce where proficiency in a specific skill is required - for so long, are not expected to be extremely skilled, seeing this in female singers is usually what draws our attention and makes us view the woman as a “good” singer. This isn’t me saying that it is right, just a suggestion of where some of these expectations may have come from. I definitely think that both emotion/performance and technical proficiency should be standards that are held equally to male and female pop singers alike.
I find this so frustrating. As a male singer who is known for singing as a powerhouse, I have always been told that there just wasn’t a space for me as a vocalist in the industry as a guy. I ended up developing a stage persona of Ada Vox and have become much more appreciated as a diva, but I’ll never understand why it seems like I just wasn’t “allowed” to be a competent vocalist as a male presenting entertainer.
@@aintnootherfan honey, I watch ALL of your videos. I love content that speaks in an educated and non-biased way about vocalists of every type. I love your channel 🥰
Maybe this is one of the reason why many people appreciates kpop. That's because either you're in girl group or boy group, you are expected to deliver both vocals (of course I am aware that they lip sync and use playback, and chile that's because they need to promote multiple times for each comeback) and performance (they must able to dance, no shade but the weakest dancers on each group is no where near the dance skills of some western artists). I also feel like guys in western pop music don't prioritized technique that much considering that they tend to not change their technique when the truth is their voice changes and it requires change in assessment
Sm vocalists are very good singers in general Imo. Way better than most pop bois. So yeah that might be a factor. The training system leads to improvements in vocals as well
I'm a kpop stan but in kpop they train to dance and sing even though they very rarely actually sing live. Many idols who train and debut also have very mediocre vocals I could name many. In the west no one trains
I think this is one of the reasons why I got into kpop. Both males and females are expected and trained to be amazing singers and performers. I do find the English pop scene to be quite boring unfortunately, however even though I'm not that into it, I still have some artists I'm keeping an eye on, and majority is usually females 🤣🤣🤣
And even in the kpop scene, female vocalists are still way better, but at least we have SM artists and most male artists are way better dancers, both men and women are expected to be doing an amazing performance every time.
man i actually could not disagree more LOL as i've gotten into kpop over several years, i realize more and more that a lot of my faves are not as strong of singers as i thought they were, ofc the older generations are a slightly different story but generally speaking, 3rd and 4th gen kpop does not deliver on vocals as much as i wish they would sometimes. i do agree that the overall standard for performance in kpop is much higher than the west obviously (which leads to many many (imo sometimes an unecessary amount of) performances relying on lip syncing to maintain a flawless image, which can lead to the degradation of vocal technique in some idols) but all just some of my random thoughts lol don't mind me
I disagree. Usually most boy groups have 1 good vocalist and call it a day. The others can carry a tune, but tend to be better dancers. While you can find girl groups where all members are good vocalists. Also, most performances you see on music shows are lip synced. There are some artists/groups that do sing above their backtracking but the majority does not.
I disagree I've gotten into kpop 2008-2015 and got bored because of the algorithm of kpop.. It's an edless rollercoster of the same thing over and over again from 1st generations of kpop group until now. Kpop genre itself i only find bigbang & cnblue to be a bit different.. I'm not saying they aren't talented coz these idols did not trained for a decade just for nothing. But everybody else copies the same thing and are copy cat version of a senior group who debuted earlier .. The only good thing kpop does is released or introduced new groups every year because man these bb&gg releasing music with the same sh!t/themes/sounds and all for 10 yrs bores the hell out if me.. I kinda still listen to kpop but I'm more into soloist now. Also I've been swiftie for 15 yrs and if miss blondie did not switched genre I've might have given up my swiftie phase during red era..
I couldn't agree more with the last statement! Musical theatre and opera have such high standards for EVERYONE. Which is why I almost exclusively take inspiration from there. I have also noticed that in both industries you get a lot more diversity when it comes to voice types and qualities while Pop music tends to promote the same voices (with the same problems) over and over again.
As a fan of all these groups I hate to say it but a huge majority of Kpop is very heavily autotuned. Because they are expected to dance in their performances it's very rare for a Kpop group to actually sing live. I'd say Kpop group singers lip sync a lot (purely because most audiences still expect them to dance and it's impossible to hit a lot of notes while dancing at the high standard they do). Huge Kpop fan but live singing in Kpop groups is very rare.
@@katiekay4516 I'm not seeing why that needs to be mentioned? The majority of those groups have proven their vocals live when they do performances where they don't dance, so that still doesn't take away from what they can do, vocally. O.O
@@tiffanymckenzie1236 exactly. I think he went in that music direction because of his idols (MJ, JT, Usher, etc.) and his tone is kinda generic/basic (or people say it is). But if he were to gain some confidence and find his voice/identity, he could be a real force
0:53 I liked how after you talked about 'most of the generation's best singers are female', and you go back and mention that the 'video is not made to discredit or to neglect the talent and skills of male pop singers', you played a clip of Zayn Malik, who I believed to have insane vocals and definitely one of the best singers of our generation, without a doubt,
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All the clips of Sam Smith and Demi Lovato are from BEFORE they started identifying as non-binary. Thought it would be good to add
Until either of those singers go on hormones/have surgery to change their voices, their vocal abilities (especially their vocal ranges) are always going to be limited by their biological sex and that’s just a harsh reality of it.
@@Solo-vh9fm And that's the unfiltered truth!
Gurl bye
@@Solo-vh9fm can you please explain what do you mean by that?
@@Solo-vh9fm Yup. Or at least undergo voice gender therapy
it's funny how some of them struggle to sing their own songs while standing still and wearing a comfortable outfit... meanwhile ariana grande is sprinting across the stage in 10 inch heels while flawlessly belting at the top of her range
Katy, gaga, bey, Miley etc.. too, Ariana has an angelic voice
@@Diego-gg1rc every single one of them work harder than them, cause they're always the target to do something better, that's why people come after singers like SZA, Sabrina claudio, summer walker, selena gomez, becouse they're not vocalists, and still do way more than the guys '
@@kikileah9727 So unfair tbh
Facts 😂😂😂.
@@kikileah9727 wdym they're not vocalists?
Not to mention females do a lot more on stage performances than males
Fr, like majority of male singers just stand there
Sometimes less a more, especially when they got the voice. But this video is talking about pop singers so idk
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 I agree but male pop singers don’t even do that
It's a stylistic preference. Usher, Justin Bieber, Justin Timberlake, Bruno Mars, Michael Jackson, Jason Derulo, Michael Jagger, Chris Brown, NSYNC, BTS, they all sing and dance. From a few moments of madness, to entire well planned out choreography. There are many who play instruments while singing, so what do they do specifically that no male does?
@@epxcmusic THANK YOU. Lol.
As once Queen Taylor Swift said and I quote, “Female artists in music have dominated this decade in growth, streaming, record and ticket sales, and critical acclaim. So why are we doing so well? Because we have to grow fast. We have to work this hard, we have to prove that we deserve this, and we have to top our last achievements.”
Came her knowing someone would comment this (and I agree)
That speech changed the way people perceive music....
Agreed, but it also has to do with what the fans of said artist expect. Artist like Taylor Swift are mostly followed by girls and us gays, and we expect that kind of drama theatrics and vocal slayege. Male singers tend to do different types of music as well, Ed Sheehan, Charlie puth, Shawn can do just find with their lyrics, their guitar/piano, and their looks, usually theit music is more similar to Taylor's folklore, but because women of the past put the bar so high (cause they had to) women nowadays are expected to reach those standards. Nowadays I also feel like unless you are a rapper it's harder to grow as a male artist.
Taylor swift has a bad voice though….
@@dylanhicks4771 I wouldn't say bad, just a bit flat. She aint the most talented vocalist i have heard, but she makes up for it with good song writing
Hayley Williams running around the stage, hyping crowds and still delivering them high notes like her vocal chords are made of wind! She's stupid good.
Aahh I love her so much! The liveliness in her voice plus her lower register always get me..truly a well-rounded vocalist
she is the best😭
Ughhh I miss seeing her live sooo much
Damn right!
Stupid good indeed. However (and this is a hot take), she ain't no pop star. She's more of in the vein of rock and alt rock. Frontmen and women SHOULD know how to hype up crowds. Rockstars should know banter cause no one is there to watch them dance. Also doesn't help that Paramore came out in the age where live shows were crazy and showmanship was part of the deal (all the guitar flipping and jumping around). I remember the watching We The Kings on a mall tour here in the Philippines and they were all around the stage. That era performers was epic and Hayley was the best at the showman thing lol
honestly, the music industry would be so boring without female artists.
This should be written in the skies
Ikr like I can't think of music without immediately thinking of Ariana, Taylor, Rihanna, Adele...
This is depressingly true.
@@hunniii2356 rihannas songs got written by men though??? The music industry would be boring without male AND female artist even though women are expected to peform extremely well males usually are the writers and producers. I really hate this men vs women thing. Theyre usually built on ignorance, biases.
@@hunniii2356 ikr females are the only reason I listened to music younger
meanwhile, underrated male (black) r&b/gospel singers are showcasing range, agility, musicality, and technique 😩🙌🏼
musicality is a bit of reach. I know many r&b and gospel male singers messing up runs and riffs. Not the legends, younger guys
That part, it’s the black excellence for me 😌 lol
It use to be that way back in the 90s but I feel like they toned down.
Maybe cause they video was including only pop singers.
I could say also Tenori singer, like Andrea Bocelli, but it’s a different genre
@@Sim0sama Pop is R&B white toned down twin.
It’s so frustrating because female singers are expecting to put on a whole ass show. With most female pop singers doing dance numbers, costume changes, walking/running in heels and belting lyrics. Where as men are praised/given the same credit for just standing there. This is more a comment on media because it is up to the artist in what they do onstage. But I fell that female singers are pressured into doing these big stage numbers to ensure they get the recognition they deserve for their vocals alone.
Yessssss ❤️
When?
I just realized maybe that's why I enjoy female singers performances. They got the whole package!
@@canlyhansen1588 ✋
That's why for a long time the only male artists I followed were kpop idols, because they do the whole shebang (they also often have incredible ranges it's crazy)
So much more is expected of female performers: amazing vocals, top-notch dancing, massive stage productions and music videos, a brand new style every 'era', stunning looks, sexiness, eternal youth.
Yess ❤️
Right? I watched Saweetie’s performance on SNL and she was doing well before she danced, but then her dancing was so awkward. Same with Dua Lipa. Why do women have to sound good AND dance while men can just strut around the stage and get fancy lighting effects and that’s fine?
True! Just look at the shows right here in this video🤣 the guys just standing on stage maybe walking or jogging from one end to the other or even just standing or sitting in front or the mic whilst the women also have a killer choreo and performance and still sing better...
And i don't say this to shame the guys or say that they are less talented or capable of performing, but it shows that women just have to give 200% to match the attention and recocnition male singers get... i wonder what would happen if there weren't male and female categories in music awards...🤔
But they put that on themselves... They keep doing more and so do others because they do so it's like inflation lmao.
@@Sharpe1502 Saweetie doesn't do either one good though...
Just responding to the question in the thumbnail: Do they NEED to? No - because generally, men get praised for being mediocre. Women aren't afforded the same luxury. SHOULD they do better? Absolutely 💙
You are not lying or even exaggerating.
I thought someone like Ariana would be the most streamed on Spotify...oh my, how wrong I was and it literally doesn't make sense because the male singers who are more streamed than her are nowhere near as talented.
This isn't exactly true in the music industry. Currently, mediocrity is the new benchmark
T H I S.
Exactly
@@el7284 right there are alot of artists in general who make it in the nowadays industry without alot of talent
Let’s not forget that even though males singers are views as performers, people expect females singers to give a big good show especially girl groups. We saw this with one directions, little mix and fifth harmony, the GP always expected 5h and LM to do big dances routine even though the ladies from both group never were trained to dances( Normani was the only one) but they didn’t expect 1D to do the same and the groups came from the same place.
agreed. male singers can just bring a guitar and call it a day, or continuously create songs within the same genres throughout their careers, while female singers need to constantly recreate themselves
omg yesss, like from vocalist like ariana people expect always a big show and she herself had said it in an interview, she wish she could only sing with her microphone and interact with her fans, but high expectations of the media in female artist would not allow her.
I cant understand why singers need to dance i mean like why they are singers their job is to sing,there is other platforms for dancing. This should not be the case
I agree with you, but you’re forgetting that our biracial Queen Jesy Nelson was a professional dancer for five years as a teen.
Nobody cares about girl groups tbh.
People expect female to be performers because of Britney, Janet, Madonna, etc.
Finally someone who appreciates Taylor's lower register singing.
I know right!! I'm always obsessing over it
Can i just say
Taylor's voice is literally came from the heavens a gift from the god herself man. The fact that her voice still is this amazing through her long time in industry is so ♡(> ਊ
The folklore long pond studio session really highlights her lower register. It's so addicting to listen to!!
It was literally not projected at all, from what was show it was actually the weakest 😂 beautiful tone tho (and beautiful gowns, too)
@@ignaciosalazarzuniga4958 ?
Remember that Taylor Swift used to get hated and called that she can't sing?
Yet, there lots of male singers. Way more than you imagine who aren't capable singing as stable as her in the concert. I mean this is still way back then.
No one say words to them but Taylor getting so much hate and mock saying she couldn't sing and all.. Ugh this world is nasty
They haven't heard Taylor's Grammy performances or long pond sessions. Her vocals are amazing but her strongest point is songwriting. Half of these people need like 12 song writers to make a hit while Taylor does that alone and I think people forget or ignore that bc well they love to hate.
@@samiajunaid7021 spill
Now they dragging Selena.
@king tut and Seulgeez Justin needed so many writers to write Yummy LOL!
@@RhapsodyHC justice has more writers than the Bible.
It's so annoying that the one area that should be naturally better for males (the lower register) is consistently underdeveloped amongst the pop males.
It's because they are too focused imitating female high notes!!
@@ralphanthonymallillin2712 There's no such thing as "female notes." Notes aren't based on gender.
@@ThePianoguy89 but it is known for female to be comfortable in that range tho
@@ThePianoguy89 please use common sense..female vocal cords are naturally thin shaped that they can reach high notes with ease and males with wider vocal cords tends to be comfortable with low notes lol
@@ThePianoguy89 can't believe you are calling yourself piano guy yet you don't have knowledge about male and female vocal cords ability lol
I know it's not exactly a pop singer, but Mitch Grassi from Pentatonix is a great example of an amazingly skilled male singer. But yes, I do agree that males need to do better hahahah.
Scott as well.
Scott & Mitch are AMAZING vocalists!!!
I always found pentatonix more geared towards people who like a compilation of notes rather than feel music.
@@wesmindo5729 indeed! Scott is a great example of an amazing baritone!
@@Itsaramis13 why do you say that? Acapella is indeed different from the usual tracks that we listen on the radio that have an instrument or a software to produce bass etc, because it's all done with voices. I think you can be that good before you reach a kind of plateau of greatness. That said, I still believe that Pentatonix is way more than that, but if that's your opinion, than it's all good.
Little Mix vocal queens. They never disapoint.
KWEENS 😌
They deserve one direction's success
Perrie>Zayn when it comes to vocals
Their songs suck
@@liliannapassut2246 your taste suck 🙃
Little Mix hold some of our best female vocalists. They’re crazy
Hands down 🙌
Yaaaas 🙌🏽🙌🏽
Males on "The voice" competition are better vocalist than males artists today😭
That part 🤧🤧🤧
True. I listen to them. Sadly male singers who sing great aren't famous.
@@Neha_the_great_sharma yes but Harry Styles exists
@@mackenziesheather2969 but he is now getting fame
@@Neha_the_great_sharma One Direction members in there Solo career says hi
the conclusion: female vocalists supremacy
Amen 🙏
Dimash comes and destroys it 😌✨✨
female vocalists + Bruno Mars
@@hilderosatampubolon2226 +sam smith
PURRR
This is legit one of the reasons that musical theater people are so hype. Men in musical theater generally have the training and are often in high-energy performances (dancing etc) like 8 times per week so the top of the field are actually all amazing vocalists 😊
Jeremy Jordan!
Ramin Karimloo world domination
Reeve Carney you insane talented man
Leslie Odom Jr sir, you are just not human
Corbin Bleu.
The amount of little mix clips in this video is phenomenal. I love it
Don't we all 🤩
Mam mam mam mamba
I also think we need more variety in male vocal types. Most famous male singers out there are tenors. You rarely here a bass/baritone voice.
What does that have to do with this?
*struggle tenors
@@Jack-ep7yj just like an addition that’s why it’s says “also”
@@Jack-ep7yj because they love high pitched male singers idk
at least now there are more baritones out there in the scene like Troye Sivan, V from BTS, Frank Ocean, Harry Styles, Joji, etc. So at least more baritones are out there
Adam Lambert needs to be talked about more. He’s a phenomenal male vocalist. He puts everything into every performance.
YAS I AGREE.
same for Brendon Urie
Facts
Yasss.!!!
@Cheeto Licker Yeah he is. Same as Freddie Mercury, George Michael, and Elton John. They’re all legends.
Personally, I think we need to stop praising the bare minimum and actually start praising great male vocalists rather than just pretty boys that can carry a tune.
The irony is that there are underrated male singers also. Nick Jonas actually doesn’t get enough credit vocally. Just because his pop voice isn’t very loud doesn’t mean he isn’t good. He effortlessly jumps between his chest, head, mix & falsetto so quickly.
The fact that you put Perrie after Zayn is so funny and shady looool
Well... :)
Gosh no. Pez is now in a new and healthy relationship and even hs a baby and you all still don’t let this go🥲
I feel like now with the zayn and gigi story them mixer will bring it up again especially since they are convinced gigi stole zayn from pesminda
@@Das644 mixers don't care about that 6 year old expired relationship 💀 and what, they "believe" she stole him? Why would we bring that up lmao. It's not 2016 anymore and Perrie has settled permanently with a baby and her boyfriend. We don't care about what was between her and zayn anymore 😭
Both great singers , let's not discuss about the 6year old shit
I think there are a lot of male singers doing basic singing and not recieving a critique (or not so much) about that but any female vocalist (like Madonna) who does basic singing) is criticized to death because of that
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Most people who critues female singers vocally are females themselves tho or lgbtq 🤔🤔🤔
@@xmantrans4846 😂 what does lgtbq have to do with anything here haha
@@l.b.5297 The point is female singers get criticized by another female critiques or lgbt. Most men do not care about pop music at all.
@@jackdawkins1241 No, It has nothing to do with gender or sexuality- It's based on wanna-be singers. It's only people who want to sing themselves who do this. (most people can't really tell how hard a vocal is and mostly just assume that it's genetic) We can argue that most wanna-be singers are either women or LGBTQ, but considering that men who are wanna-be singers are just as bad... It can be said that the internet vocal community isn't really very representative of their communities outside of the vocal community. So gender and sexuality is just kind of irrelevant and missing the point.
Besides, No one's blaming men for this. To try and distance men from stan wars is unnecessarily defensive. Especially when you try to distance men from pop music- Pop music is short for popular music, and considering that men contribute to the music industry probably just as much as women do, they definitely care about pop music. They'd have to be going incredibly far out of their way to avoid pop music- Chances are you'd have to literally abandon your favourite artist at some point to avoid it. And no person is going to be doing that unless they have a vendetta against people in general.
Taylor's Low register is just unbelievable. Her high notes affects me in a certain height but hearing her reach low notes conveys so much more new emotions.
Love the recognition of the low notes on Taylor Swift's folklore. As a woman with a lower register its SO nice to have an album like that w songs I can actually SING
Female singers needs to work ten times more to impress the industry, even if they're not great singers, they need to dance well have amazing music videos etc, some male singers don't do that and get to #1 easily
EXACTLY!!!! Like Justin Bieber's Yummy got nominated to the Grammys and for what ??!! Little mix were once told by their label to flirt with a radio host to get their song on the radio but they refused.... And now they are one the biggest girl bands in the world with almost Zero promotion in America..... 🥳
So not true. Pop music is dominated by female artists. Biggest names in pop are mostly female.
@@philipp3001 the thing is, the male chart toppers you see out there are nowhere near as talented as the girls, and if they are, they don't need to bring huge shows to impress the media and the industry like the big girls that are in the top HAVE to deliver everytime, it's never just one thing or two, the girls needs the complete package
@@antaradatta7603 yes, he's one of the greatest examples, his albums lack so much and his tours ... But still at the top regardless
'The man' screams it all!!
I think the only male singer besides Sam Smith would be Bruno Mars that can probably keep up with the female singers. This is a great video. It shows how versatile these female singers are. These women can probably sing tenor, alto, soprano and bass. Some female singers can sing in any key of the piano. I think for women Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey and Aretha Franklin are like their number 1 influences. Interesting cause I hear men in RnB name their influences but the men in pop I don't really hear them mention their influences like that.
Ahmm... Zayn? The guy is a fire vocalist
@@rodrigoloupa197 I don't know if Zayn could keep up with some of the female singers in this video though.
But Sam Smith identifies as Non binary 💀💀 is it politically correct to consider him as a "guy" ?
@@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos their being categorised with males cause they have a male voice. Don't overthink it😅
@@NIJEECAPRICORN23 he can
My sister always tells me: 1D is way better than little mix. I ask her: why?
‘They get the most awards and are very popular’
I wonder… doesnt she consider the fact that’s wrong….
Little mix work so so hard and are so talented and are still so underrated.
I am not talking 1D down, just trying to talk LM up. They are so talented oh my…
Thanks for starting this
1D guys are fine, but Little Mix always worked much harder in all kinds of work, if it was singing, dancing, writing, making music videos, photoshoots or even just interviews, Little Mix have to work 50x harder and still are not praised how boyband like 1D was, it's really sad, it's nothing against 1D, all 5 are very talented and everything, but these girls are even more talented and have to work much more and still not getting credit and praise they deserve is horrible and just disgusting in my opinion.
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984 yesss!!!! I feel exactly the way you feel. Thank you
Girl, I feel the same!!
I literally teared up listening to little mix Secret love song live.. Their vocals are amazing
1D songs are catchy but you can't compare talent with popularity 🌸😁
@@janicemascarenhas7230 YES
I so appreciate you including clips of Taylor Swift in a complimentary manor. People have said she can’t sing from the beginning of her career (which was NEVER true), but she also has grown SO much as a vocalist since her first album. Thank you for appreciating her growth and hard work!
this comment is sweet. i agree!! taylor swift was picked apart because she was/is a threat. a beautiful, young, skilled, hard working, and motivated woman. how terrifying! atleast to the patriarchy that we unfortunately still live in. she was never really bad. even during her debut, being so new to the industry, thrust onto the stage at 16/17. sure, she had some pitch issues and shakiness but she was a child. she always looked ahead and took criticism well, genuinely wanting to be her best. the improvement during the speak now tour was incredible and should've been enough for people to drop that repetitive bs. she had some difficulties during red and 1989 but i give her the benefit of the doubt as she was working alot, she was clearly impacted by the hate and was having health issues because of her ed. reputation was amazing, she was finally able to showcase more of her skill and her matured tone. and since 2017 she's been quite impressive. she can do it all but my favourite thing is her lows. folklore and evermore are definitely challenging. that's another thing! people look to loud belting and unspeakable high notes/whistles. we never talk about lows, breath control etc. taylor's discography is filled with songs that definitely take more than the average voice to pull off. 😅
@@littlelou050 yes but also, i think people just get annoyed when taylor is put in the same category as people like ariana or kelly. shes just not a phenomenal singer which is fine, she doesn’t need to be. she’s outdoing everyone with her songwriting.
Honestly the new female artists(doja, Meghan, Olivia, etc.) coming up are leaving a MUCH bigger impact and talent than the newer male artists coming up in the mainstream..... no offense..... And the other females who have been here for a few years (Taylor, Ariana, Adele, little mix, etc.) are still holding up as they should and leaving their marks forever as they should...... 😇
True. Doja cat has variety of songs. Not just cliche rapping and catchy chorus. I didn't even realize when did I become a fan of her lol
except conan gray, I don't see upcoming male artists making any significant impact (in fact, TH-cam Nerd Core raps of anime are much more better than some of the stuff in mainstream)
Most men dont like mainstream music, men usually have more diversity in music taste.
@@ian3087 “men usually have a more diversity in music taste” spoken like a true man… who has never met a woman
yeah, listening to the radio the only male lead songs that stick in my head are there because they’re either irritating or cliche. that one song about “i’m on vacation because i was born into privilege and can pick and choose my occupation” is a prick in my minimum wage back that will never leave. i don’t even know the artist’s name! the rest sound like indie pop clones. anyone who isn’t a straight white male in the industry have to work a lot harder, which frankly makes them more appealing.
I feel we need more male singers with lower registers.
You shoud definitely listen to TEEKS. I dont think Ive heard any male pop singer sing so low and deep.
We got givion now
It's literally THE vocal advantage they're supposed to have over us, the one range that is by-and-large easier for male singers to access (the only other upperhand they have is the strength of their head voice, but that's about tone not range, unless you classify it as a whole other range of voice somehow lol). Men = more testosterone = biologically, statistically, deeper voices. Kind of embarrassing. Though remember, this is only a discussion in pop (and maybe pop rock if you wanna count in modern pop punk bands, and indie bands that don't focus solely on technique, this is why rock is a different discussion). Though female singers even with their more developed lower registers, still tend to have bright and hyperfeminine tones, some deeper/more unique and warmer female tones like WILLOW, Miley, Azealia Banks would be MUCH appreciated :)) AS WELL AS lower register/toned males!!
If you want, Nathan Sykes has a great baritone register. He doesn't utilize it as much as I'd like, but when he does use it it's incredible. And he can actually sing *cough*
@@sp0ngeb00b7 Honestly though it's pretty ridiculous.
Shawn Mendes seemed to almsot tap out at a G# when quite the handful of female singers can go to low F. Women literally have men beat even in the male key. Like bruh, forget embarrassing it's absolutely mortifying.
Have we forgotten about bruno mars? Silk Sonic’s record just dropped and bruno is giving some of the best vocals of his career.
This TH-camr doesn't acknowledge Bruno Mars' existence cause if he did his whole argument is invalid. Is he racist? I don't know but theres too many white men here.
@@Yojikudou03 he could just have missed him. He gives john legends props, I appreciate that. Maybe next time
As an opera and musical theatre singer, I gotta say that expectations are Sooo much different. Some of this is biological stuff I wish you went into detail on (ie higher voices start mixing sooner in their range but can often mix higher than lower voices before needing to switch to head voice and whistle register; making it unfair to compare belt range and balance as higher voices need more head voice sooner into that mix due to thin vocal chords)
Musical Theatre in particular is THE WORST when it comes to double expectations. The majority of roles on Broadway are for men, there are plenty of gender breakdowns to look at, yet the majority of auditioning actors are cis women or trans or non-binary. Because men are so desperately needed to fill these roles and because so many directors and rights holders are against gender-bent casting, guys don’t need to be as versatile to get consistent roles. Plenty of guys have made full careers singing nothing but Golden Age legit Bari roles where you don’t have to sing above a G4, and then get patted on the back like crazy the one time they stumble through “Bring it home” in concert (Omigaosh, he kinda knows what falsetto is, never seen that one before) where as women need to be skilled in every style and genre to stay a float, every performer known as a legit soprano in MT has either switched over to opera or came to Broadway after decades in opera, or they have several belt roles under their belt from early to mid career (a la Kristen Chenoweth in Charlie Brown/Apple Tree/most of her roles, Audra in Dreamgirls, Jill Paice in Chess), Kelli O’Hara actually fits in both categories. Any modern big belter is also bound to have some legit pieces in their rep (Cynthia Erivo, Taylor Louderman, Sutton Foster, Stephanie J Block)
Basically, ladies kinda need a 3 octave range to stay afloat, guys are applauded for having almost 2 octaves.
I mean, that's just basic supply and demand. If musical theatre organization wants to have a greater number of male singers, then they should find a way to appeal to male interests. Same with STEM fields and women. If you have less of something but want more of it, then appeal to it.
Opera singer tragically trying to belt out here, I get it! These ridiculous expectations are really to the detriment of our vocal health. I honestly think some time soon we actors need to go on strike. We’re paid too little for too much work because we’re lucky to be employed, even at the very top. If you want top notch performers, you best be paying for them.
To be fair to Harry Styles, you mostly showed clips of him when he was in 1D. Since then his technique has improved, and his range has increased to hit those rock ballads he is known for in his solo career.
Came here to say this:) Harry has shown true progress imo
Trueeeee
Not by huge amount, to be fair. he showed late clips of one d and his voice really is about the same. however there is a HUGE difference in his voice from early one d to later one d
not really, he still strains his voice, and as much as I like his music I feel like his songs are great from a production stand point but are not great to be performed live, some of them are very difficult (sott, lights up, adore you) and trying to hit those notes every night can be very exhausting, so yeah his voice has obviously matured but he needs to work on his technique
@@theskygrowsgrey I agree that his first album had more songs that was more suited for him performing them live
When it comes to lower registers, sadly a higher register is what is seen as more impressive to the public, with both men and women. There’s rarely any popular artists outside of the country or blues area that get recognized for their low registers.
Lana del ray?
Dua lipa 😊
Dua lipa 😊
Taylor Swift? Hayley Williams? Lady Gaga? Miley Cyrus? Adele?, Dua Lipa? Tori Kelly?, Jojo? Christina Aguilera? Lana Del Rey? Lorde? There are a lot female singers that perform very well in their lower registers with comfort and also some technique.
@@richmaxmchalliwchester1984 I think the wording's a bit off with the OP, but what I think the OP was trying to say was that lower registers rarely ever get recognized for their talent. We have often seen people praising Mariah, Whitney, Demi or Ariana for their belts/high notes, but we usually don't hear people saying things like "I love how Miley/Cher/Lana etc hit that low note"
I think your point about the "rocker" expectation is on point. Rock has always been a common man's genre. Vocalists often didn't come from formal training, and were often just working people with something to say. One of the big selling points is emotion turned up to 11, which is probably why I like vocal imperfection in blues and rock and roll but not in pop.
So this is less on the artists and more on the people who consume the products. Proficient male singers absolutely do exist. They just don't sell as well.
Well, the men from rock legends are great in singing too! Queen, Journey, Kiss, Eagles, U2 all rock the lives!
@@icyhugs I don't know about the others but Freddie Mercury had very raw vocals. His riffs and runs tended to meander back and forth. Someone tried auto tuning his riffs and he ended up sounding like a pop princess.
The men in the Eagles were very raw as well. Henley had a very strained vocal style, Frey had a smooth voice but had narrow range, and Meisner couldn't hit the high notes of his own songs live.
i think it's not about how high they can sing but their efforts to create a memorable album, performance, production, Look how lazy Drake , bieber with the same sh*t and can pass so easily . while Taylor swift, Lady Gaga have to change genres and still kill it . also do not forget about Miley cyrus, Ariana Grande,.
EXACTLY. it's not just how they perform
Yes. The discography of Artists like Taylor, Ariana, Gaga is so versatile. Unlike artists like Ed Sheeran and Shawn Mendes who are just the dollar store and Walmart version of each other.
@@samiajunaid7021 you're clearly just hating if you can't see the versatility and creativeness of Ed Sheeran lol I can't vouch for Shawn's but clearly he has gotten a lot better since his early years.
@@saulgoodman8788 I was comparing them. They are incredibly similar and no I'm not hating I actually listen to both of their music but neither of them have any originality so to speak. And all of their music sounds the same, not necessarily a bad thing, but there is no versatility that they bring to the table. If you disagree, that's your view, I'm not trying to cancel it out.
@@samiajunaid7021 I can't accept that you're saying that Ed Sheeran doesn't have versatility (especially his earlier songs), you might be saying that because a lot of his songs involve a guitar, the same with Shawn Mendes. And if you're gonna talk about originality, I think it's not fair if you think that Ariana has one since she's been notorious for copying black music a lot of the times and versatility when most of her singles all talk about sex, not that it's bad it's just funny to consider her versatile given this fact. But Taylor and Gaga's discography really are versatile.
the problem lies with the audience. i for one am always interested in male vocalists but can hardly find videos on them, whether it be their abilities or vocal ranges, these kinda videos for male singers are hard to come by. maybe if we stopped pitting women against each other and actually looked deeper into male vocalists then maybe they can put to a higher standard.
This is a good point!
You get the point, but totally missed the reason. The audience simply are asking for higher pitch voices. I mean, that's not just a coincidence that 1 every 5 comments in this section is talking about Arianna. And the ones who doesn't, has at least an answer talking about her.
I agree, i feel like audiences and fans of male singers are so quickly satisfied with what male singers do. But female singers are always demanded to try something new and rebuild themselves for each era
@@anonymousdiamond9321 As queen taylor stated in miss americana...female singers have to rebuild themselves, their genre 10 more times than a male singer
@@anonymousdiamond9321 Perhaps male singers and female singers appeal to different audiences and tastes, and therefore different expectations are foisted on them? Both singing "pop," music shouldn't automatically imply that their audience makeup is the exact same.
Men get praised for doing the bare minimum but women gets criticized for just breathing. Not only in pop category, but in all category. Women don't get any credit.
Shawn Mendes' improvement is very admirable. You can tell he has put in the work to improve. Going from a self taught singer to actually taking vocal lessons has helped him tremendously. He really is putting in effort and it shows. Good for him.
I can't believe you didn't include Bruno Mars and hozier's lows are so good. Do the good male vocalist next tym. Really insightful stuff.
I know right! I love hozier’s lows !
George Ezra
Seth macfarlane is a great baritone his lows are 😍
Even Zayn Malik has a beautiful voice. But they won't fit in comparison here. Kinda obvious
i don’t think hozier can be categorized as a pop male singer
I always find it funny that having perfect pitch is a blessing but might also be a curse to Charlie Puth. Because boy sings off key quite often, he must be really annoyed with his own voice. 😂
That's what I'm thinking. I'm wondering why he's using a lot of autotunes. Now I understand that perfect pitch doesn't really mean that you have also a perfect vocal that hit it on key
😅😂😂😂 I love Charlie tho
That's exactly what I was thinking hahaha when I saw the one call away cut on this video I just wasn't satisfied and I was like "im sure he also feels the same way " 😅
Propably it's because perfect pitch doesn't exist in the way you think it exists. If it existed even Pavorotti (Who also has "perfect pitch" and is better to sing sustained notes (bc he is a classical singer)) would sound like a robot.
To ilustrate better, imagine that pitch is a yellow line that go up and down everytime. It happens because our vocal folda has to vibrate to make a sound. So when you sing a note this line goes up and down really fast. Frequently these vibrations will simply not be able to stay the same, they will also fails to go down or up.
Here, a good video about that:
th-cam.com/video/OBk7BnIA12c/w-d-xo.html
@Anne Day So what is perfect pitch?
I'm still waiting for the day to come when we'll be introduced to a male vocal powerhouse like the girls (a male Beyoncé, Xtina, Whitney, Mariah, etc.) We had MJ, Usher, Luther Vandross, and we have Bruno and Brendon Urie doing their thing, but they are still short in numbers. Meanwhile, Shawn Mendes somehow got crowned 'pRiNcE oF pOp' lmao
Oh, and I forgot Freddie Mercury and Stevie Wonder :)
@@darvelmc9070 you can actually edit your comment
@@thatperson9292 ... I know
Sometimes I wonder if men aren't going into music because there isn't as much money in it as there used to be.
@@NJGuy1973 yeah most of them nowadays just want to be rappers
Love the Tori Kelly and Jojo representation in this video. Both criminally underrated with probably the best vocal techniques out there.
Nowadays male singers just don't do it for me unfortunately, 80s 90s had waaay better male vocalists!
I wonder how many took actual singing lessons. Most of them seem to be imitating a sound
How many male singers from this era can be compared to people like Peabo Bryson or Luther Vandross 😭
@@dazeitem Michael McDonald, Bolton , James Ingram
Bono, MJ, Dio, Prince, Freddie Mercury, Sting, Michael Hutchence, Bon Jovi, Chris Cornell, Steve Perry, Layne Staley, literally any of these men would destroy any current male vocalist. Actually, probably any prominent/pop culture male vocalist since 2000, with Patrick Stump and Hozier being probably the cream of the crop for the combo of writing/ability/iconography ever since.
@@sp0ngeb00b7 why are you comparing 80s rock and soul singers to today’s pop singers weird comparison
Maybe it's just me but I find the female singer's notes more resonant than the males
it's not just yeah they really are.
Obviously! As an (contr)alto, if I want to achieve the most power and resonance I have to find a song allowing me to belt around A3/C4 (the chorus of "I Don't Care" by Apocalyptica is right on my sweet spot).
This is where my voice truly lives and resonates in full.
You can expect that male voices resonate and use their full power even lower, but we keep insisting on them trying to belt out C5s in full voice!
Of course they'll have to rely on distortion, growls, and other effects to sound good.
The higher they go the thinner the notes eventually become. To avoid sounding like they just breathed pure helium, they have to use other effects.
They are all singing like a woman, I mean by that that sometimes listening to male singers I'm not sure if he is male or female. Their best place to belt is lower,but the songs they sing don't have a lot of those notes.. I miss the days when lower registers were a thing..
Wow.. This is so interesting!
Actually, If I were to compare it to Kpop, both female and male groups are usually on the same level. It depends on the company a lot, the company SM for example, Is known to make powerhouse vocal groups female and male, like EXO, Super junior, aespa, nct, red velvet, f(x), snsd, SHINee, etc
If you like Exo, a good recommendation might be Day6. Thier vocals are great as well.
@@bitterestbird of course I know day6, Ive been into kpop since 2011..
Thank you for telling about Day6 though, theyre a great band with great songs like "Shoot Me", "You were beautiful" and "Congratulations"
"The Rose" is another great band, that I recommend
KPOP has a lot of strong male and female vocalist. The male artist blow most of the pop males out of the water.
I'm so glad you've included Little Mix! they're so underrated!
Ppl always expect female artists to be perfect in vocals, girl groups to have awesome breath taking dance routines but for boy bands and male singers, they just have to sing and their songs just have to be catchy, their vocals are just like icing on the cake but in female cases they gotta be good at everything.
Pop singers are waaaay different than metal singers, metal singers in general have great technic, control and knowledge of their voices. Pop males are more of a show than quality itself. My favourite pop singer is Brendon Urie, he definitely knows and controls his voice.
Brendon is an amazing vocalist, but recently it sounds like he’s been singing out of his range.
I totally agree and commented the same thing. Brendon Urie is an amazing vocalist. Can't wait for his next project.
@@Cinnamon_gorll I totally get what you say.and I feel like thats specially in concerts where he gets too excited and just wants to hit those crazy notes (that he can totally hit) but it takes him to prepare for those and listen carefully to his voice.
@@mirrorball1752 I know right?, we need some new Brendon stuff, I would really love a metal album from him, have you heard his metal song?
@@Alejaccx i didn't know he had an official metal song, i've only heard the unreleased one he played on his streams, so no i guess
I agree 100% with this video. I absolutely love artists that can sing in low-register! Lana del rey, Billie Eilish and Lorde come to mind and even Taylor can do a great job especially in songs like Peace!
Female singers: amazing vocals, performance, outfits etc
Male singers: 🧍♀️
Yay for more Jade Thirlwall appreciation!
It’s what she deserves !
RIGHT
This video was much-needed!!!
I’m a male singer (i sing since im 8 and im 19 now) and i think this is important to talk that famous male singers seems lazy vocally these days.
When my voice started to be affecting by puberty, it was hard for me to relate to male singers because i am a baritone and i have a very deep vocal tone and i felt like i could never have their higher/tenor voices.
Music industry needs some bass/baritone voices because now, we only have Scott Hoying, Michael Buble & John Legend that are still relevant baritones.
It's such a bummer because baritone and bass voices are so pretty
Or Giveon who's just started to gain more and more fame
Harry Styles is a baritone
I agree with this . I am 15 year's old and puberty made it hard to sing higher notes . I'm baritone and even though I don't have a vocal couch i have been working on my singing .Now my chest voice full range is C2 - E4 . My falsetto/ head voice is F4-F6 , I'm most comfortable from F4 - F5. Whistle notes are A5 - F6# . My runs are mediocre but In my opinion my breath support is above average . My control over my voice is so bad . I'm working on my transition from chest voice to Head voice , also I would like to improve my chest voice and whistle note range and I'm working on my voice and overall tone . PS I'm a baritone . I have a heavy tone compared to the teners
Can you guess what this song is? th-cam.com/video/8IcDr-fXqD4/w-d-xo.html
I’ve seen people complain that The Weeknd has sounded too vocally similar throughout his career. But, since he does such a good job at making interesting lyrics with a variety of subject matter and with a myriad of different production techniques to go along with it, he’s way more than excused from it.
The amount of Jade in this video is very pleasing 🙏
I love the Jade Thirlwall appreciation in this video
Alex Newell & Bruno Mars are one in a few male singers today who have an impressive vocal track record. Especially Alex. He doesn't like to be put in the countertenor bracket anymore because he feels like he's surpassed it. I would agree.
there are tons of really talented singers, just that people dont listen their stuff or plainly dont support them.
Isn’t Alex non-binary? Ik they use all pronouns.
I also feel like Patrick Stump is an amazing male singer, and has an incredible control over his voice (not only singing but also voice acting and impressions). Idk if he counts or not since he is more known for pop punk
Brendon Urie
Why is no one talking about Brendon Urie??
Demi was gonna sustain that note until Joe understands that’s he’s inferior to her 😂
Just loved the fact you included Little Mix too....they are such an underrated talents 🤧❤🙌🏻
Only in America not in general clearly there the biggest girl group
@@kait7404 🚫🧢💯
i would love to see a male pop singer like Ariana Grande, with extremely high belts, a great agility, falsetto and whistles tones to throw all over it, and a R&B/Soul influence just to close the package. It would be great honestly.
But at this point why wouldn't you just listen to Ariana Grande ?
Extremely high belts, high falsetto and whistle register are not really something you'd easily find in male voice. Regardless of technique.
@@skayles4716 I listen to her, a lot actually. I think that a guy with this type of approaching in his music (Mariah Carey/Ariana Grande - ish) would be something really great in music industry just to break that "guys don't have to be loud" thing. Male artists are mostly recognized about their vocal style, or songwriting, or their artistic persona, but it's really rare see a man been known for his consistent and excellent vocal delivery and technique. The only one I can think more recently is Bruno Mars.
@@thalesviana6177 If you're looking for that kind of style, just go take a look at male R'n'b singers.
You might like the likes of Tank, Maxwell, Luke James, Avery Wilson, Durand Bernarr, Ne-yo, Usher, Avant, Terrell Carter and Mario.
They're all good falsetto/head voice users, good to great belters and have good to extraordinary agility.
You just wont find them belting super super high or using whistle register outside of "for fun" purposes because welp... they're men. =/
@@skayles4716 I love Avery Wilson and Ne-yo (actually I've forgotten of his music, tnx to remind me) and I don't like Usher's tone, but I'll try the others you say. Again, thank you
There's Zayn (he doesn't do whistle notes but he can belt really high for a male and his falsetto is admired by a lot of people. And his entire discography is alternative R&B/electropop so he must have some R&B influences).
i feel like it’s fine for male artists to be mediocre or average at best while females need to be better or the best and if they fail to be better than average they are already criticized
But most people who criticized female singers vocally tho come from the females themselves or lgbtq while most males in general mostly aren’t interested on how high can a singer go and what not. I think it’s a matter of preference. No boy will give a fuck if a girl wears the sme shirt on the same week only a girl will judge base on what other girls wear 🤔
@@xmantrans4846 I think most people, LGBTQ or women included, aren't interested in how high a singer can go. I think it's mostly wanna-be singers who bother with that- Most people outside of the vocal community don't really know what's going on so they can't really tell how difficult something is.
Outside of that- Men do give a fuck about appearence. Did you forget that the whole reason why women are so vain in the first place is because they've been pandering to men wants and ideals of men for thousands of years? Don't get me wrong b, Matriarchs cause men to be just as catty as women in the west are, but don't start saying men don't give a fuck when we're the ones who popularised the whole ordeal in the first place and made it a mandatory behaviour in our culture for women.
@@sandy_carpetsthesecond5013 thats why i use the word “most” signifying “not all” but an hefty amount. Yes men care about appearance but most people who put you down for the way you dress are other women themselves i know cause i am girl. Actually most of the general public don’t bother about singing technicalities they just want it to wound good or unique while relating to the lyrics and thats perfectly fine not everyone aspires to be whitneys or celines. I’m just saying stop putting men down for these things cause people who judge these female singers voices are women themselves.
@@xmantrans4846 Literally no one is putting any men down other than the men in the video.
The point of the video is to point out that the men have a mostly wimen fanbase who glorify their subpar vocal abilities because they're men. No one is blaming the bias on men, they're just pointing out that the bias of women benefits men and that's unfair.
@@sandy_carpetsthesecond5013 so why is it mens fault they have women fanbases and also mens fault for mostly women who judge these female singers vocally?
Yes. Finally someone said it.
Artists like Taylor Swift, Hayley Williams, Ariana Grande and on and on and on … have more talent and creativity in a single EP or Album than most modern male artists have in their entire body of work.
Taylor has dropped three number one albums in less than a year in the middle of a pandemic after having her entire catalog and life’s work essentially stolen from her which left her no choice but to re-record all SIX of her albums and that takes an unbelievable amount of work having to work with engineers to duplicate the exact sound and vocals that were made over a decade ago so that fans can listen to the new versions without having to pick between the original or re-recorded ones in case the music didn’t stay authentic and true to the original that they fell in love with years ago. A fucking monumental task and the reason most artists don’t go that route at all. I get hives just thinking about them taking that on lol
Ari released two absolutely incredible number one albums in a year of her life that included the Manchester bombings, breaking up with her boyfriend of years, calling off an engagement, and her ex dying of an overdose. In one year. The fact that she delivered two albums was unbelievable in and of itself but to maintain that best of the best quality that all her music has and release what I think is the absolute best work she’s ever made is just harrowing.
And I won’t even get into Beyoncé’s career and her Coachella Homecoming performances and documentary after a long and complicated pregnancy with twins …. What the absolute fuck.
I know I’m listing three of the best female artists but I honestly feel like everytime I start listening to a new female indie artist I’m just blown away more often than not, so I don’t know what it is, but these ladies are superhuman and while there are obviously exceptions and some truly incredible male artists as well, there’s just not as consistent of a broad spectrum of talented artists. Especially when we’re talking about solo artists.
Sorry for the novel. I get passionate.
It’s embarrassing.
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yet if you look behind the scenes at the production of the albums or their management it's mostly male. what is that about???
YES. YES. YES TO ALL THAT
YES! ALL OF THEM! Let's not forget Lana tho!
Adam Lambert is just chilling out there
I looove how much of Jojo you included in this video 😭😭 i love her so much and she deserves so much more recognition
On this channel JoJo is treated with love and respect!
This reminds me of a comment Meryl Streep said about female actors being better than male actors bc they really have no choice but to thanks to the sexism and the lack of opportunities given to them to get better, diverse roles. I think the same applies to female pop stars rather it’s vocals, dancing/stage presence, songwriting, artistry, longevity/reinventions, etc they are no choice but to be better bc in the industry sexist discrimination is real and artist development for major label pop stars are basically non existent due to major labels cutting budgets from streaming taking away the massive revenues they used to have when physical albums and digital download were the main consumers. Female pop stars especially female pop stars of color gotta be 100x better while mostly white male pop stars are able to be stale in their talent, meanwhile the most talented male pop stars are the ones who are men of color who thanks to r@cism aren’t given that much prominent or if they do it’s an expectation and a catch
As someone who loves to sing but is a baritone I'm very thankful for Lewis Capaldi and James Arthur's songs. There's definitely a scarce of vocalist that uses more of their lower range in pop music.
Giveon recently too
In the same manner male kpop artists have to work twice as hard as an american male pop star to be recognized since they have a different nationality(which does make things difficult cuz of the existing prejudice) along with their hard dance routines
Living talented male singers:
Adam Lambert, Guy Sebastian, Bruno Mars, Brendon Urie, Usher, Michael Bublé, Joe Jonas, Josh Groban, John Legend, etc.
Wasn't expecting to see someone mention Guy but omg his agility is crazzyyy.
Avery Wilson
Hozier
Guy Sebastian is so good!
The Pratt brothers
i love that you included Sabrina, she's such an amazing singer
I guess i never really noticed this in the pop genre. I generally listen to rock and r&b and male singers in that genre are ridiculously skilled i.e. Brendon Urie. But i never noticed how much more skilled female pop singers are than male ones. Loved this video!
Zayn is one of the pop male singers that stand out vocally but this guy has no stage presence because of anxiety. He did so good during his one direction days though.
The "low notes" of the male singers are an octave above my comfortable range xD I'm glad you kept it real by showing very strong singers for both genders instead of just using something like Justin Bieber vs. Lara Fabian xD great job, keep it up!
I completely agree with what you said in the end. Men in pop were always looked upon as the entertainers and rockers, while females were most always the divas and the vocalists, and that's why today's male singers do poorly vocally compared to female singers.
I am so glad there is alot of Little Mix because their vocals are INSANEEEE
I’m glad this is being talked about. There is so much double standards with male and female pop stars specifically when it comes to singing. Feels like most of this double standard comes from public perception. Male pop artists get praised more by doing the bare minimum while female pop artists don’t get that same treatment and a lot of the times gets pit against other female pop artists. Lowkey feels like male artists get praised at a higher level because their main audience are females who a lot of the times have crushes on the male artists.
You see the opposite in rap tbh, female rappers are alot worst lyrically than the guys
Really proud of Nick for his balanced approach! Joe is known as the front man but sheesh this is great to know!
Can you guess what this song is? th-cam.com/video/8IcDr-fXqD4/w-d-xo.html
He started on Broadway; I think that really helped him in the long run for his vocal performances
Yeah at that time Nick was brilliant he could play the guitar, drums, bass and piano. He had amazing vocals , his falsettos were brilliant . During the peak Jonas brothers era Nick used to play all the instruments , had most of the parts in songs and even wrote most songs for the Jonas brothers. And after all this he was not less than a frontman like Joe and used to cartwheels and backflips with him. I love Joe and Kevin but Nick was more and still the most talented. However at that time Joes voice wasn't that good now though it's just amazing m
God, men in pop embarrass me, Straight up. And it upsets me too- I'm a dude, and I've always wanted to get into singing, but because I have very few selections to pick between in men (And even then they're still not that good in the general scheme of things), it's resulted in me having to tonally match women and it's just become this cycle of men being bad in pop, which causes untrained male pop stars to tonally match women, which then makes them worse than the generation before them. It's just... eh.
Pop is a sad genre.
I'm so glad you included Little Mix, they are simply outstanding 👏
zayn is a different story thougg
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yeah i was thinking that too
Yep, they should step it all the way up or better yet, the mainstream ones need to take a step back so the underrated male vocalists who can keep up with the talented mainstream female vocalists, can step forward. Eg.
1. Jordan Fisher
2. Avery Wilson
3. Gabriel Henrique
Edit:
4. Adam Lambert (he's somewhat mainstream yet also underrated).
It's hard to think of others at the moment, but I'm certain that there are many more.
Maybe Ben Platt or Mitch Grassi?
Clark Beckham
Stanaj
Luke James
Jason Derulo's catalog is trash, but he's really underrated as a vocalist
Dan Reynolds ( idk if Imagine Dragons qualifies as pop or rock )
Chris Martin ( one of our few notable baritones btw )
Hozier ( probably baritone as well )
And there's probably a few more but right now I can only think of R'n'b singers
Dimash
@@estebanrada3081 Yes! They can both keep up!
I think Brendon Urie too
15:11 I think this clip sums up the differences and skill gap pretty well (for most male vs female singers)
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I mean you’re not wrong
I personally despise that performance because that’s supposed to be one of the highlights of the song but this guy just RUINED IT
The gap in ability was just too wide
I’m glad they decided to use part 2 for their live performances because the og just isn’t it
I think it’s possible that a lot of this comes from the standards we have for these singers and the way these standards vary between genders due to deep-rooted stereotypes. We expect these vocalists to shock us and defy our expectations. Because of the way we’ve generalized and stereotyped men and women over the years, seeing men do “well” and be “successful” in what they’re doing is expected. Seeing them show emotion, like many of the men in this video who are viewed as good singers despite not being very technically proficient do, is less expected and, therefore, makes listeners/fans willing to accept this as evidence of the singer being good. However, the generalizations around women in our society make it so that they are required to perfect their technicality, range, musicality, etc., to be considered good. We expect them to portray emotions because of the stereotypical idea that women are naturally emotional. Because women, who were not allowed in the workforce - especially not the professional workforce where proficiency in a specific skill is required - for so long, are not expected to be extremely skilled, seeing this in female singers is usually what draws our attention and makes us view the woman as a “good” singer. This isn’t me saying that it is right, just a suggestion of where some of these expectations may have come from. I definitely think that both emotion/performance and technical proficiency should be standards that are held equally to male and female pop singers alike.
I love how 15:15 you can barely tell it’s about Jason derulo cos perrie is easily overpowering him 🤣
I find this so frustrating. As a male singer who is known for singing as a powerhouse, I have always been told that there just wasn’t a space for me as a vocalist in the industry as a guy.
I ended up developing a stage persona of Ada Vox and have become much more appreciated as a diva, but I’ll never understand why it seems like I just wasn’t “allowed” to be a competent vocalist as a male presenting entertainer.
Omg I have to say that your talent and skills speak for themselves! It's so crazy that you've watched this video, thank you!
Keep on SANGING!
@@aintnootherfan honey, I watch ALL of your videos. I love content that speaks in an educated and non-biased way about vocalists of every type.
I love your channel 🥰
WTF it's such an honor! Thank you once again, wishing you all the best!
Make a vid dedicated to him 😂
@@aintnootherfan are there other social platforms where we can follow and support you? I’d love the chance to chat music with you some time!
Maybe this is one of the reason why many people appreciates kpop. That's because either you're in girl group or boy group, you are expected to deliver both vocals (of course I am aware that they lip sync and use playback, and chile that's because they need to promote multiple times for each comeback) and performance (they must able to dance, no shade but the weakest dancers on each group is no where near the dance skills of some western artists).
I also feel like guys in western pop music don't prioritized technique that much considering that they tend to not change their technique when the truth is their voice changes and it requires change in assessment
Sm vocalists are very good singers in general Imo. Way better than most pop bois. So yeah that might be a factor. The training system leads to improvements in vocals as well
Nowadays technique seems to vanished. Most of kpop idols are also technically weak
@@Shreya-wm2of the shift of trend to harder choreography is a factor.
@@Shreya-wm2of fr new generations don't take a singer by its own definition anymore. 😭
I'm a kpop stan but in kpop they train to dance and sing even though they very rarely actually sing live. Many idols who train and debut also have very mediocre vocals I could name many. In the west no one trains
Zayn might have his issues but he is a hella good singer, I hope he grows as an artist
he only has some issues. lack of support above b4 in mix
I think this is one of the reasons why I got into kpop. Both males and females are expected and trained to be amazing singers and performers.
I do find the English pop scene to be quite boring unfortunately, however even though I'm not that into it, I still have some artists I'm keeping an eye on, and majority is usually females 🤣🤣🤣
And even in the kpop scene, female vocalists are still way better, but at least we have SM artists and most male artists are way better dancers, both men and women are expected to be doing an amazing performance every time.
man i actually could not disagree more LOL as i've gotten into kpop over several years, i realize more and more that a lot of my faves are not as strong of singers as i thought they were, ofc the older generations are a slightly different story but generally speaking, 3rd and 4th gen kpop does not deliver on vocals as much as i wish they would sometimes.
i do agree that the overall standard for performance in kpop is much higher than the west obviously (which leads to many many (imo sometimes an unecessary amount of) performances relying on lip syncing to maintain a flawless image, which can lead to the degradation of vocal technique in some idols)
but all just some of my random thoughts lol don't mind me
I disagree big time. Even after years of training many kpop idols are just not good vocalists.
I disagree. Usually most boy groups have 1 good vocalist and call it a day. The others can carry a tune, but tend to be better dancers. While you can find girl groups where all members are good vocalists.
Also, most performances you see on music shows are lip synced. There are some artists/groups that do sing above their backtracking but the majority does not.
I disagree I've gotten into kpop 2008-2015 and got bored because of the algorithm of kpop.. It's an edless rollercoster of the same thing over and over again from 1st generations of kpop group until now. Kpop genre itself i only find bigbang & cnblue to be a bit different.. I'm not saying they aren't talented coz these idols did not trained for a decade just for nothing. But everybody else copies the same thing and are copy cat version of a senior group who debuted earlier .. The only good thing kpop does is released or introduced new groups every year because man these bb&gg releasing music with the same sh!t/themes/sounds and all for 10 yrs bores the hell out if me.. I kinda still listen to kpop but I'm more into soloist now.
Also I've been swiftie for 15 yrs and if miss blondie did not switched genre I've might have given up my swiftie phase during red era..
Mika is a amazing example of a male singer with an incredible upper range you should check him out
I love Grace Kelly by Mika
I love Mika so much he's amazing
Lmaoaoaoao Demi flexing on him “😎🤷♀️🎤”
I'm surprised that adam lambert didn't made into the list here !!!
I couldn't agree more with the last statement! Musical theatre and opera have such high standards for EVERYONE. Which is why I almost exclusively take inspiration from there.
I have also noticed that in both industries you get a lot more diversity when it comes to voice types and qualities while Pop music tends to promote the same voices (with the same problems) over and over again.
You should check Exo, Shinee and SuperJunior Vocal line. They are a good exemple of skilled male singers.
As a fan of all these groups I hate to say it but a huge majority of Kpop is very heavily autotuned. Because they are expected to dance in their performances it's very rare for a Kpop group to actually sing live. I'd say Kpop group singers lip sync a lot (purely because most audiences still expect them to dance and it's impossible to hit a lot of notes while dancing at the high standard they do). Huge Kpop fan but live singing in Kpop groups is very rare.
Listen to lives where they are not dancing much... Their live vocals give Goosebumps!!!
@@katiekay4516 I'm not seeing why that needs to be mentioned? The majority of those groups have proven their vocals live when they do performances where they don't dance, so that still doesn't take away from what they can do, vocally. O.O
Liam Payne is actually an example of a really good male vocalist. A well developed voice
YES his range is SO good. His solo music is too poppy and doesn’t show it off like it should. But yeah his control is 👌🏻
@@tiffanymckenzie1236 exactly. I think he went in that music direction because of his idols (MJ, JT, Usher, etc.) and his tone is kinda generic/basic (or people say it is). But if he were to gain some confidence and find his voice/identity, he could be a real force
Uhh.. sure
Zayn too
0:53 I liked how after you talked about 'most of the generation's best singers are female', and you go back and mention that the 'video is not made to discredit or to neglect the talent and skills of male pop singers', you played a clip of Zayn Malik, who I believed to have insane vocals and definitely one of the best singers of our generation, without a doubt,
Well male k-pop artists are the only ones saving me