Agree about little mix. Perrie being the best vocalist is never an insult to the other girls as they can certainly hold their own. They ofc all have their strengths but how people are still trying to downplay perries talent I will never understand.
I have noticed this, when there is a post or video appreciating jade, Leigh Anne or jesy(before)... Comments are filled praising them, focusing on them specifically. But when it's about Perrie, there are always people saying "jade is also good, Leigh Anne is best, make a video on jesy".. They just can't let a post be all about Perrie, appreciating her and letting her take the limelight for once
@@riddhigupta6934 exactly. Just because Perrie used to be the most talked about doesn’t mean we should no longer talk about her now. All of the girls deserve appreciation but if it’s a comment or video about one girl then that’s completely fine and there is no need for people to constantly downplay Perrie to praise the others.
@@milkyteawithbiscuits3555 I hate that it leads to silly arguments though. There is a lot of sensitive people in this fandom with no actual vocal knowledge so unfortunately arguments are created very easily.
Itzy is not the strongest group in terms of range or technique, but their mics are ON, and I do prefer live vocals instead of "it's for a better performance"
Exactly, prefiero mil veces escuchar a los idols en vivo y q demuestren q pueden un buen performance con el microfono prendido, en vez de solo escuchar el audio de la canción
yess, it's also even better when you remember ITZY is one of the more choreo-focused groups who have very difficult, exhausting, and complicated choreos but they still have their mics on
You should see her live. Her vocals are underappreciated. So glad i went to her All I Ever Wanted Tour. I hope Leona Lewis does a comeback, i love her vocal color and pipes. Blackpink doesnt deserve the hate, they're better vocalists than Twice who are more popular in korea.
a thing I think should be taken into account is that their older encore stages were a lot better but for some reason recently (really starting with More&More) they just seem to have lost a lot of confidence when it comes to live singing on music shows and it really shows. Just hoping that they sing live for their upcoming tour because they typically have in the past but that was before this shift.
I've seen so many opinions on how Itzy are over hyped since their songs aren't anything extraordinary and their vocals aren't mind blowing but I believe judging by their choreographies, live vocals and stage presence they deserve all the hype they get and actually more since they really be singing LIVE with neck, back and knee breaking choreos, some groups can't even sing their own songs live while standing or sitting 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
The songs are getting better and better... The dalla dalla and wannabe , icy era was kinda childish very pg13 lol but they growing ....hope jyp don't fuck it up
@@joeaaron1 las 1eras eras fueron así pq era dirigido a adolescentes, no eran girlcrush al principio sino eran teen crush, su publico esta creciendo con ellas, ahora recien empiezan a hacer conceptp girlcrush
@KhadaJhin04 From what I understand that there are segments in their shows where they don't sing live purposely to help break up the atmosphere and allow them to rest, especially since Lia is on hiatus, the other members are doing their own parts as well as hers which can be very exhausting. But Itzy is a very well-balanced group. In cases where they aren't singing live, the dance and performances are much stronger. They know how to balance out their strengths and weaknesses to give an overall great performance.
But at the same time male vocalists are really judged unfairly. Men have thicker vocal chords to work with, have to relearn basically everything post puberty and have - in general - an harder time accessing their mixed and head voice ( while female singers tend to struggle with pure chest and lows, except nobody cares much about lows ). People in the vocal nerds communities are especially critical of tenors for struggling with their head voice when - though they have higher and lighter voice - they have the hardest time reclaiming their mixed and head voice out of all male fachs. Thicker vocal tracts also a lot harder for men to get used to giving the adequate amount of force for riffing and running. While most men regardless of fach can produce a head voice up to A5 - D6, most of us really struggle to find the right coordination to break the F5-G#5 point, because we're naturally engaging in a lot more TA action than women do and thus struggle to allow the CT muscles to do their work. But then people are still gonna give you flack for not being able to replicate Ariana's Eb6s. Fore more or less the same reasons, people expect male singers to be phrasing verses in the F4-A4 range and belting choruses in the Bb4 - Eb5 range like the girls do ( and most of them end up doing just that and giving you thin vocals as a consequence ) when even high tenors should realistically stay in the D4 - F4 range most of the time, and having their climaxes in the G#4 - B4 range. A lot of male artists are just coasting, true, but there are also a lot of them going HARD and unnoticed because y'all are judging them to females standards. Like I see people constantly trashing on Justin Bieber's vocals, but even if he can be thin at times, the dude is often phrasing in the G4-Bb4 area, which is no small feat. This very channel ( no offense, I like the videos, just aknowledging the bias ) also somewhat clowns some of his runs, to then praise worse runs coming out of a female singer, even though _it should be harder for Justin to execute them_. And then very few people in the vocal nerds communities take the time to appreciate some good Shawn Mendes, Justin Bieber, The Weeknd, Michael Bublé, John Legend, Zayn Malik, Chris Brown, Jason Derulo, Usher, Bruno Mars, Justin Timberlake, Avant, Ney-Yo or Treyz Songs vocals... y'all don't even *take interest* in the plethora of good male singers out there, and then have the AUDACITY to clown them every time they crack.
@@skayles4716 you made some great points! I personally was talking about the quality of music not vocal abilities. Their music just doesn’t hit like it should nowadays. But you are 100% right on the judgement of the male vocals
@@dantesworld Pop music's main market is young girl, so being a handsome male individual just helps coasting more easily. On the other hand when you have : > the bias towards female voices > the easier marketability ( even for mediocre products ) > the masculine image to somewhat uphold ( which can be limiting for artistry ) being limiting factors on the quality of male singer's pop projects. Why would your label pump money in your art if they get better results for pumping it in marketing ? Why would the good producers fight to be on your records if even the niche population of musically inclined people isn't gonna appreciate how production and vocals complement themselves ? Why would the good designers make real efforts for your aesthetic if they are gonna be creatively limited compared to what they could do with women ? Sadly, the business is harder on women, but the art is harder on men. In the end everyone loses :(
@@thatkidjerm There's a few out there. You've got Michael Bublé and John Legend, the lead singer for Coldplay, Troye Sivan and if you don't mind a throwback, Luther Vandross and Frank Sinatra both have nice catalogs. But yeah most of the male singers are light tenors ( tho as a light tenor myself I'm not complaining ).
Definitely agree with the one about itzy. A lot of kpop stans like to use difficult choreographies as an excuse for idols lip-syncing and itzy is proof that live singing is possible even with some of the hardest choreographies in kpop. People need to appreciate them more!!
the thing is itzy sings live but they aren’t going to sound 100% like the studio version because, they’re human. and kpop fans want perfect vocals with perfect dancing so they can brag about their faves. so the moment every kpop act starts singing fully live they’re bound to make mistakes (which I fully welcome, I prefer those performances) but fans will not be so lenient
Kelly Clarkson is way too underrated as a Vocalist!!! She's a vocal legend who gets better and better with age!! She's a very well-rounded vocalist and her Versatility is just unmatched!!!❤️🔥
i love twice and they are definitely talented, but i agree about the encore stages. their managers really need to let them sing live more and practice vocal and breath stability during performances
No solo su estabilidad sino tambien que generen tecnicas vocales q sean sanas, pq si siguen así en el futuro les va a pasar factura, a Momo la le esta pasando factura
Their encore stages were better until more and more happened. Have you even watched their older stages??? Or even their radio performances. Plus the alcohol free one was actually decent.
SAY ITTTTT!!!!! Perrie being the best vocalist of little mix is NOT an insult to the other girls, it is just a recognition to her talent. “Over sensitive fans” exactly those are the only ones who deny it. I’m sick of people acting like her being the best vocalist is a biased opinion rather than an acknowledged fact.
Idk how its biased when U can literally hear her technique is more worked on than Leigh Anne & Jade. Are the other girls really good??? Yes but Perrie has spent more time on her technique. Idk people need to stop getting in their feelings when it comes to girl groups
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 exactly. If little mix were a kpop group with labels such as “perrie: main vocalist. Leigh anne and jade: lead vocalists” people would’t dare argue. But they like to live in a bit of a delusion saying they’re all equally good when that’s just not true. In EVERY group there is the best, as simple as that.
@@AlwaysLM2011 just because some people like your comment doesn't mean most people agree with you. there are a lot of non-mixers that follow the girls and are not on youtube. anyway, it's your right to think that perrie isn't the best vocalist in the group...
While that is definitely true and Perrie's skills should be acknowledged, I understand why fans wouldn't want to paint her as 'the best vocalist'. It has been done way too many times before and it never ended well. (Camila - Although Dinah is the best vocalist in 5H, Beyonce, Zayn and later Harry) Perrie, Jade and Leigh-Anne are undeniably close but I think the fans are just protective of their friendship. It does get too much sometimes. The problem arises when people are like, "Oh my goodness, she is so good! I don't understand why she has to be in a band when she can be a solo artist with her skills." That is rude and disrespectful to the other girls and Perrie herself.
@@AlwaysLM2011 but the thing that i’m trying to say without sounding offensive is: perrie being the best vocalist is not an opinion, it’s a fact. We can sit here, sugar coat, beat around the bush and stuff, but it wouldn’t change the fact that she has the best technique in general, and THATS OKAY! That does NOT mean she has to be your favorite, that does not mean she has to be the lead singer, we are JUST recognizing her talent because as he said, it is disrespectful to undermine her talents just because you are sensitive. Her being the best vocalist does not delete leigh anne and jade’s talents, they are also incredible vocalists as well, we are just recognizing the FACT (one that was backed up with evidence and is very much proven to be true) that perrie is the best vocalist of the group.
The thing with Mariah's agility is that she actually makes you believe all the runs & riffs that she does are actually part of the song. It's not there for the sake of being extras but rather serving some purposes. That's how accurate she is. For instance, try singing Always Be My Baby in a straight tone it's gonna feel so wrong without the riffs & runs. The same cannot be said for other singers.
The same could also be said about Tori Kelly and JoJo especially Tori. Don't make it seem as if she's the only one who has such musicality. Not denying that Mariah is a genius at that but she's not the only one deserving of that compliment.
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 You must have misunderstood my comment. I didn't say or intend to make it like she's the only one. I would have mentioned names if I wanted to direct the comment in that manner. But I do understand that bringing down other singers doesn't make the one that we prefer any better🤷 At the end of the day, it's down to our own preferences. I like how Mariah does it musically because to me it's just nice nothing over the top irritating. Of course many others are able to do it too but in my opinion not as pleasing to my ears as Mariah. Again, personal preferences and opinions. And you absolutely have the same exact discretion to prefer yours just like I do. If you think Kelly and Jojo have done a good job too, please make a new comment of your own instead of firing at mine.
Mariah's runs add to the foundation of the song. I don't know Tori's entire catalog but from what I have heard her runs are just embellishments. That could be removed without changing much of the song.
@@raaid22 True👍 That's what I meant. It's an integral part of her songs which is not just there for showing off. Take it away and the songs will sound quite odd. Just look at how sometimes Mariah herself skips her runs live and suddenly the song she's singing doesn't sound right anymore.
That's because Mariah's songs are so intricately mixed and layerd that it's almost impossible to replicate live. She can sing a song straight just as well.
Mariah DOES lip-synch quite often - But I still don’t think she gets enough credit for the fact that MOST of her entire sets are live ( Even though claimed lip-synch … Just because they sound good) 💀❤️❤️❤️❤️ Especially recent years, she’s been live singing quite a lot on her Caution tour fx. And many attempts of studio vocals and some of her most popular live ad-libs! ❤️
@electricxcircus studio is actually the best for every singers lol since you can try until you satisfied, the only reason you can do live better than studio is when your technic is way superior than the time you recorded that song, so you can improvise more live confidently, and Mariah has a lot of live better than studio when she was 26, she was on her peak, she improvised so many high notes in her earlier songs.
You can literally hear the change in tone when it’s lipped - And most of the concerts I’ve been to with her, she’s had the same tone through the most of the concerts. But also, as long as the concert is great and coherent.. as in her lip-synching is minimal and subtle.. I’m fine, all the way! I just want a great experience! And if at least a little live singing, is present then I can’t ask for more.. ❤️❤️ ( generally speaking, I do prefer whole live sets and so on, tho)
@@laramiaizz I don't think so. She's only rapsy now cuz her support was shaky before and she strained a lot but technically, it's much better now. The belts sound open, the conected registers...
Man I really wanna see what happens if Mariah and Tori sang together. Tori tends to hold WAY BACK when she’s singing with someone not as vocally strong as her but with Mariah, it should be interesting 😭 I wish Mariah would have Tori as part of her Christmas special this year, Tori’s Christmas album is probably the best since Mariah’s and that’s coming from an unbiased view.
@@laramiaizz Though I disagree with JoJo being the better vocalist (I think they’re on par or Tori being better most of the time and more consistent), it’s true that that was one of the few times she didn’t hold back. I would add in the Kelly Clarkson duet and Avery Wilson IG Live too. I hope she starts working more with people at her vocal level so she’s not restricted 😭
@@glossiergloss4293 JoJo is the better belter even though she is a mezzo and Tori is a light lyric. She has more support and resonant up there. And being a mezzo, it's not a suprise her lows are better. Oh and, her head voice is tremendously better than Tori's..
@@laramiaizz true, both are really close to each other tbh, but i do notice jojo tends to have some issues with pitch accuracy. also jojo can be very chesty in her belts while tori can be too heady (especially on her higher belts), hope they can find a better balance but both truly the bests of this generation whew
@@laramiaizz honestly, both of these gurls almost support the same notes, nowadays Tori is free on her E5, and especially when she performed on her live Christmas Session, she sounded free at F#5 sometimes, but yup, Jojo is more consistent
Ariana's lows are actually very strong for a soprano (she is able to project consistently down to F3, and sometimes down to Eb3/E3, with consistency down to F#3). Very few sopranos in the industry beat her in the lower register (these include and are limited to: Aretha Franklin, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Taylor Swift, Whitney Houston, Tori Kelly and Patti LaBelle)
She's had some very good moments, but for the most part her lows are just good. There are quite a few other sopranos with stronger and more consistent lows, like Tori Kelly and Jessie J for example. Her tone down there is really nice though 🔥
Agree with alot of them. Personally I dont understand the actual point of training sometimes in kpop because lots of kpop idols that debut are actually bad singers or majority of the time lipsync or use extremely loud backtrack like if your going to be a singer and debut at least have a good voice and sing live majority of the time.
@@annielovesmusic6348 exactly I remember watching girls planet and some of the trainees were terrible I even spoke about it with my friends saying imagine if they were auditioning on a western tv show they would be denied straight away
Re: Tori vs Mariah’s riffs and runs. Speed and agility aren’t quite the same thing. While Tori definitely can riff faster, I don’t think she covers quite the same range that Mariah has with some of her riffs, or is as inventive. Mariah is influenced not just by gospel and R&B but also jazz and opera. Calling Mariah a “studio singer” is harsh because even outside the studio most of her peers couldn’t do what she does on the stage live, let alone in the studio. It’s kind of implying she can’t sing or perform at all outside the studio, when we all know that’s not true. I’ve yet to hear a credible cover of so many of her songs, even some old classics from her debut era like Vision of Love (which she has never lip synced) and Love Takes Time. It doesn’t help that maybe only two or three people can whistle nearly as well as she can AND sing well in their normal registers.
You guys need to understand how agility works Tory is fast but you can hear her notes when the notes are so fast they disappear that’s on a whole other level only ones I’ve heard have that are beyonce and mariah
I actually think Tori's musicality is at least somewhat comparable to Mariah. I would never compare a singer like JoJo, who is quick and precise, but lacks in musicality and creativity to Mariah, but Tori is a different case. Being a "studio singer" has nothing to do with how your peers perform in comparison to you. Mariah is still great, but lambs know best that there are many vocal moments she hasn't recreated live. Her 2014 album was an absolute peak of that but there are many moments before that as well. If you consistently record difficult, demanding vocals in the studio which you don't recreate or most of the time, don't even attempt live then being called a "studio singer" is kinda expected. What cannot be forgotten is that Mariah has always been a great live singer nonetheless. I also think Caution was a step in the right direction in terms of adjusting the material to her current consistent voice.
This Fighter needs to give it up 💀 Mariah often exceeded her recordings in the 90s and to imply that Tori Kelly shared her musicality makes it apparent that you’re trying to discredit Mariah
I think Leona’s agility going unnoticed is just because the use is subtle rather than showy. It’s one of the two things (the other being the way she uses her head voice) where I can hear an obvious (Daydream/Music Box era) Mariah influence. Edit: in fact before I knew Mariah’s music I actually used to think Leona Lewis was the one singing Fantasy whenever I heard it being played somewhere or another. Edit 2: I couldn’t quite find the clip for the Mariah interview about her keys (other than I knew it was in the rainbow era) but I do remember her also saying something similar about You Don’t Know What To Do and she said something “I don’t want to make music that will make you sleep” Edit 3: found the rainbow clip th-cam.com/video/Gf44GGf7Y3Q/w-d-xo.html
Agree. Tori Kelly’s agility is legendary. Ariana’s lower register is really good, considering she is soprano, but she has said it is the first part she loses when she is sick or her voice is compromised.
I love Chloe but that song is so tired out now but I’m loving that she is getting some soloist moments. Hopefully she releases more songs that isn’t just Have Mercy plus in Global Citizens she adlibbed a Full HV C#6 and that impresses me!!!
Hate that song🥴 Not the stuff I was expecting from a vocal and producing giant like her tbh. Sounds like something one of these new rap girls would sing
Okay but I have to praise: Tzuyu for working hard and always singing on Encores, she was a weak vocalist in Sixteen but I think she's improved a lot. Jihyo, Jeongyeon and Nayeon (even trough she had couple misses) for giving good vocals on Encores even if songs are sometimes not their range (I can't stop me era) and for always having that positive energy on stage.
Mariah being a "studio singer" is true. She built the songs to be rich in textures, melodies and experimental positions of her instrument. She create music to be appreciated in the way it was thought, produced, and basically "done" in the studio. That's why her material is nearly impossible to sing in live sets for her and FUNDAMENTALLY impossible for others to sing.
Her live vocals in her prime are untouchable for anyone. After the prime years every singer can be considered a "studio singer". Nobody replicate the studio vocals after the prime years especially if they are complex like Mariah's. This video is just an excuse to belittle a legendary vocalist, this speech could be done for any singer.
@@vocalslover2131 YAAASSS!!! Technically she's a literal PRO, I mean, her material are not concepted to be performed live, never been. I called her "studio singer" because most of her material doesn't actually work live without adaptations. Adaptations she often don't pay attention to rearrange. Basically, it's not and never been her purpose to be a "performer". Songs like Babydoll, Bliss, Circles, Joyride and etc. show that perfectly.
@@tammythrillz9952 but she has... Especially in her prime. I think they're referring to her layering on layering vocals that are impossible to do all exactly at once.
Tbh I agree that the best belter was Whitney, tho they’re all great obviously lol. Also I love Mariah of course, but I understand why people call her a studio singer, even if harsh. She has plenty of great live performances
People can't match Mariah's live vocals in her prime not even in studio haha . People talk about her studio vocals but let's talk about her live vocals in her prime, her skills, who can replicate them? Can anyone do everything Mariah could do with her voice? Has anyone ever shown it? Nobody. The only vocalist who can't be touched, just search for covers : Emotions, Can't let go, If It's over, Vanishing, Vision of love, nobody even comes close to singing her songs with the same arrangement of her live performances and with a great technique. Mariah's best live performances are litterally the higher standard vocally in mainstream music. Studio singer lol, only envy for a vocalist AND artist with too much talent compared to her peers
@@honestperson3042 exactly...no matter the cover you come across it's just not the same. They are unable to match the arrangement of the studio or Live MC performances. Doesn't matter how technically good the singer is..it's just not the same. MC's vocal standards are soooo high. Also, these nodules make Mariah a lot more inconsistent than she would have been without it. Trust me if it weren't for these nodules and overwork, no one would touch Mariah today...hell, she has trouble in her upper belting range and still no one touches Mariah. Her cords are fragile and tire quickly...it's not made to do show, after show, after show...people need to understand this.
what I can say about mariah is that she knows her limits but she also knows that she can hit the same notes, just not as easy or as clean as she'd like to, and her set list has always been that of a throwback to her best songs in the 90's and 2000's. If she sang songs from caution more, she would've had no problems at all. She's also been trashed so harshly with the smallest fails and was constantly written off, which probably had a toll on her confidence and which subsequently affected her singing that sounds like she has a bit of discomfort. She's way more willing to take risks at home and do some belting at home, evident from this quarantine. She has an image of a vocalist that she has to preserve and people has been trying to take her down, but let's see in the next era what she has to offer again
All those live performances in her prime are just validation that she can sing.But because the audience put too much expectation on her it take a toll on her confidence for being a rated high end vocalist along with Whitney Celine in her time.Look at her amazing acapellas without any audience.Shes so confortable
I love Tori's riffs and runs she does have a better agility in term of speed, her runs most of the time are predictible to me, not in a bad way because I love her choices and creativity but Mariah...every song i heard her blows me away because who tf would think of that melody or run like it's sooooo tasteful, it's so unpredictable
Singing is also a lot about your instrument. Perrie has an amazing instrument that’s simply more powerful than Leigh and Jade’s. And I say this as someone who loves Leigh the most
@@Dimyixx They're pretty problematic u know. From trying to cancel a froyo shop to saying "alien" is offensive. Their new show is also weird. I'm sorry.
@@avocadotortilla746 when they said that "aliens" was an offensive term, they were talking about when it was used to talk about inmigrants, who often are called "aliens" in the us btw sorry for the bad english, im mexican lol
Loved the video, however, do need to point out some things about Twice. As a longtime Kpop fan (almost 10 years), it is horrible how nasty Korean neitzens can be. The k-netz killed Twice’s confidence when it comes to singing live. In their earlier years, like ITZY, Twice would sing live and sound decent (I’m not the vocal coach here, don’t take my word). The constant backlash killed them. That’s why they look so scared during their encores. You can look at Twice’s behind the scenes or V-Live videos to hear the members singing live and sounding a lot more comfortable. Also, encore stages have changed. Encores used be a time for fan service where the idols would do funny challenges. Now, they have to sing. It’s not fun anymore. That being said, Twice is a senior group in Kpop, 6 years. With six years, there hasn’t been noticeable changes in their vocals to fans. It’s disappointing. They need to work on their vocals and confidence.
I agree that most in Twice are average vocalists except when it comes to Jihyo. Seeing how she was during pre-debut & debut, she is (or at least was) a very good vocalist. Not amazing but definitely good enough to be the main vocalist. Her technique is a little over average, but she has her own style of singing and has really good emotional delivery. Her versatility is also quite good too. Vocal technique is the most important and it needs to be at least decent no matter what, but there are other things that can make you a good or better singer. The only thing Jihyo really lacks is confidence, otherwise she would be a great singer. Nayeon & Jeongyeon would be good, & the rest of twice would be decent if they all had confidence and had continued improving. I hate knetz so much.
This is it. Christina has crazy runs but the more you listen the more similar they sound. Keke Wyatt does incredible with agility and strength of her runs and ad libs,but musically, Mariach is just phenomenal.
Mariah did enough in the 90s and let’s not forget that all of her songs are hard asf✍🏼and Tori is not better than Mariah when it comes to riffs and runs
tori's runs are fcking amazing i just sometimes think they're not that necessary. mariah is better at controling her naturally agile voice, is like tori cant help but run all the time hahah
I don't think using ICSM and More&More as an example isn't aging well. To justify, listen to TWICE's Japanese songs in Japan as they sing it 100% live during performance.
I have a few opinions even though no one asked for them: Currently, there's no popular singer that can match Tori Kelly's tastes for melismas and runs. She doesn't overdo them, she has superb pitch control, and she also somehow manages to intertwine them into the melodies of the song. No one comes close. NO ONE. Mariah Carey and Christina Aguilera have perfect voices for jazz. They should sing more jazz. Their lower-registers while strong as hell, aren't barely used at all in their songs. Christina goes for the strain, and Mariah goes for falsetto. Sing jazz! Keep it low, warm, soft, and jazzy. I would a 100% listen to whatever full jazz albums they release. Most Kpop "singers" are dancers and performers first, singers second. It's quite hard to find a group or soloist that truly delivers an A-tier performance on every department. The groups and singers that used to belt it out are almost all disbanded, or their popularity doesn't keep rising due to being too skilled when compared to their shiny co-workers. It's a shame, but unfortunately, most of them can't sing. Sorry.
Lower register barely used ? Yes you really know Mariah . Mariah has the most versatile voice and can sing everything, in her career she has shown that she can sing any genre and more vocal styles than any other singer. She definitely use every register known to man, she use all her range not only falsetto, not true anyway but you clearly know only the Mariah of the last few years
@@honestperson3042 I don't know her, and kudos to you for knowing her. I don't care for modern-Mariah at all precisely due to how much falsetto she uses. Old-school Mariah used her entire range, specially her lower range in the beginning of her songs. Present-day Mariah whispers far too much for my personal tastes, and while she dabbles every now and then into her lower-register, she sings most of the songs in her whispy falsetto. Mariah WAS one of the best singers known to man during her prime, but her sacred-cow days are long gone. It's ok to recognize that. Time to let the newer generations shine. So hostile for no reason whatsoever.
@@edwinjlr1345 if you don’t know her, probably shouldn’t hold your ignorant opinion with high regard as it could be wrong. “She was the best” blah blah it’s so transparent at this point. The new girls have all the room in the world to shine but they ain’t touching the legends.
@@musicboxtourmsg This is a video of unpopular opinions, not facts or circle-jerks. If you disagree, move along or state your opinion as to why you disagree. My opinion is my opinion, and your opinion is your opinion. I don't get how I'm ignorant for pointing out an obvious observation that a lot of people can see with the records she has put out past the 2000s, specially nowadays-Mariah. We're talking about 2021, not the 90s. How am I wrong in saying "she was the best"? Are you saying is low-hanging fruit? I mean, but it's still true, or is it not? Mariah has been singing for over 30 YEARS! Yes, she's a legend and her music will continue to inspire thousands of singers for years, and touch millions of souls every single day, but her prime days are over. She established herself as one of the best singers of our time, but there's not much she can do now if we compare her to her legendary times. I never once demeaned her or reduced her to nothing. I simply stated that her current voice would sound amazing in jazz music because she could showcase her robust lower range that she used to display in the 90s. She has acquired more warmth, weight and huskiness that could be perfect for jazz, but instead, she goes for the higher a/o falsetto ranges, which is also true if we listen to the last few albums she has released. If we compare her newer material to her 90s vocal arrangements, we can also hear the lack of lower-register singing in that she used to explode during her prime-days that set her apart even more from her contemporaries. You could say that her lower-register is "barely used" in her songs, unless you count the background singing, the melody adlibs, or the vocal layering; regardless, it's under-utilized, which is a shame because her lower register is almost unmatched. I hope this provided a clear explanation.
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 that aint got anything to do with this. As black ppl, we stay talkin bout "Mariah vs. Whitney". Having a favorite or thinking someone is the best is just an opinion. The fact lies in the statement that they are generationally talented vocalists.
I like how Mariah pushes her limit when recording without caring about whether she can do it live. It's about creating art. Had she played it safe, we wouldn't have had the chance to hear so many crazy songs with almost impossible difficulty! Heavenly, for example :)
Katy Perry is really underrated. Her performances on Idol and her recent performances the one where she was pregnant and those acoustic ones in her bathroom show how good she is. Would be interesting for you to do the riff and run analysis on underrated male singers like T-Pain. He did amazing on The Masked Singer
What people forget is that Mariah still sings most of her songs in the same key as in her prime. Most singers change up their set list as they get older. Mariah doesn’t do that
You need to listen to MAMAMOO!! The best vocals from a kpop girl group PERIODT (imo)!!! Also agree with your opinion about ITZY! they really do be one of the FEW kpop groups with their mics on
GOOOOD MORNIIIIIIINNG FAAAAAMM!! i was thinking on a "what about male singers?" video. Where do their voices fall in the music industry? Why male artists are not often valued by their voices on the mainstream? Wich are the best ones? And so on. Really loooooove your channel and hope the best for you fam :)
THANK YOU!! Leona absolutely has impressive agility but she doesn't show it off. She's very conservative with it and I love that. She exudes femininity and elegance even in her singing!!
Katy Perry is so good. Amazing tone, great belting, nice upper register, decent agility, decent lows, very underrated musicality live. She’s definitely leagues above her peers in pop (taylor. halsey, selena etc…) imo she’s not that far off from ariana, demi and gaga. She’s more on their league than she is at the halsey, taylor league. She’s kind of in the middle with the potential to really develop her voice to it’s fullest. She’s been gettin better since 2017, can’t wait to see what she sounds like when she’s 40.
wait wait wait…katys voice is decent, especially her belts and she improved a lot in her higher register. Definitely better than taylor who is not even a vocalist and halsey. But her voice is not as developed as ariana demi and gaga who are considered the vocalists of the generation
@@carllangenscheid i know, i said that katy is closed to lady gaga than taylor vocally which is true, gaga is obviously the better vocalist but katy ain’t all that far behind
Why doesnt kelly clarkson get the respect she deserves???? Shes ALWAYS CONSISTENT and her voice is getting better with age...she has power, tasteful vocal runs, amazing technique and very emotive...Shes on the top of my list!!!
They exist. They just don’t get much mainstream American attention. For some reason people don’t necessarily care for the talented ones. Travis Garland and James Maslow should’ve been the big pop boys of the 2010s with their voices, but for some reason mediocre singing is like a prerequisite for male vocalists in pop. I’d suggest Spencer Sutherland, Stan Walker, and Leroy Sanchez. All of those guys are excellent pop vocalists.
@@RamandeepKaur-fe8zc it is a kpop company :) , they have alots of groups and their groups are known for having really solid vocal lines :) Esp for males they have litterally the best male vocalists in kpop such as kuyhyun suju 1st main vocalist ( supports Bb2/B2-B4/C5(D5/Eb5 in the studion )-F5/F#5) , chen exo 1st main vocalist ( supports A2/Bb2-A4 ) , changbin , beakhyun , D.O , ..etc
Loved this video, I agreed with almost everything. Sadly, this will go the way every single post about vocals goes, Mariah, Mariah, Mariah. It’s gotten so old. Her fans can’t not post hundreds of times about how she’s the greatest, no one compares, blah blah blah. I love me some Mariah, but her fans… not so much.
Glad you included Demi's performance with JoJo, I also thought she sounded really good there, coming from someone who doesn't really watch many of Demi's live performances
@@user-bj7em4fv1p She's a female and presents as a female, so why would I use different pronouns to refer to her? If she said her pronouns were dog/cat would you be calling her dog/cat? Actual question
14:35 completly agree with that and specially from 1997 to 2014, like... she recorded an A5 belt in a song, at 44, even tho she never did that live on her prime, like, I also feel that being so extrict with her vocals on the studio also makes her voice to get tired.
Whitney was just better live than the other two in general (live atleast especially in the 80s). Anyone with true understanding of vocal pedagogy will tell you that.
@@mrvocal21 Who ? If You talk about Mariah, neither Celine nor whitney have ever hit a G5 resonant with tonal quality like Mariah, compares quality over quantity, or phrasing F#5 like Mariah, not even close. Mariah has more supported and resonant upperbelts than both for sure in her prime. Celine's upper belts are literally non-existent, even the iconic final sustained F5 in All by myself is strained as hell even in studio. Whitney loses her great power, her voice became thinner and shrill and her resonance is non-existent in upperbelts. She's an eccellent midbelter despite having a poor technique with a lot of tension she's really gifted for midbelts exactly like for her beautiful headvoice. Mariah displayed overall the most impressive and complex vocals in her prime both live and in studio. I stan the late Whitney Houston but facts are facts. Whitney was an incredible performer born to sing but not the best vocalist. A lot of Nippians speak of "inconsistency" by inventing excuses for not accepting reality, I definitely don't belong to that league.
I know it's controversial, but I agree about Tori's riffs and runs. I honestly don't think there's any Mariah run that Tori couldn't do (in my opinion, from what I've heard), and Tori's creativity and musicality is excellent, like Mariah's! Both incredible riffers 🔥
She can't do appoggiatura like in Vanishing, not even trills nor in chest voice, let alone in whistle register where Mariah can perform even STACCATO, impossible for anyone, she can't do the run in falsetto that Mariah did in 2013 in the Surprise performance for fans, just a few examples, agility are also octave jump and transition, she's not even close. Mariah can do everything Tory can do and more.
I thought we all know that Perrie is the best vocalist in Little mix cause as far as I know she's the only one to produce resonance consistently in both mixed voice and headvoice. About Mariah and Tori. I don't know in what aspect one is called better at run&riff but Tori excels run&riff somewhat more complicated but the way Mariah applies to her music/ melody is amazing and unparalleled so I'm not so sure about this.
@@sierrastar5155 even she has problem with keeping consistent support/ resonance on C5s, her headvoice and low still slay the entire group let alone her resonance in mixed voice which Jade and Leigh-Ann have never showcased before.
@@nhattantrantruong8903 I think when we state Perrie is the best vocalist a lot of people make it out like we are saying she’s perfect. Ofc she struggles with certain things just like everyone but it doesn’t change the fact she’s still the superior vocalist.
@@sierrastar5155 right??? Not loving her voice is one thing, but saying she’s third best in the group is just full on delusion. I’m sorry, but most of the people here aren’t being realistic and instead are basing their opinions on their personal bias
Overall agility I still think goes to Mariah although Tori is a fantastic competitor. Tori has not consistently displayed she can do as precise and fantastic transitions like Mariah can do within a millisecond. Tori hasn’t even surpassed some of Celine’s runs so let’s not exaggerate.
@@leafyyy813 Yep. Mariah, at least in her prime, will always be the most agile singer in pop music in terms of speed, vocal transitions, and musicality ALTOGETHER. You can't leave one skill out. Plus she has consistently produced some of the most inventive and complex riffs in pop music; for instance, the Lead the Way riff.
@@badbada3003 speed? No, but musicality? Yes. Tori’s runs are way faster than Mariah’s, but Mariah does more with her runs. She has more creativity in that department, but in terms of speed, Tori beats her
• How is it not a popular opinion that Perrie is the best vocalist? She undoubtedly is! No one is saying the others are bad vocalists. They are capable vocalists but she is surely the best vocalist in the group. • Honestly, Mariah is better when it comes to vocal agility. Tori's riffs and runs are excellent however people tend to forget that vocal agility encompasses many things. Mariah's transitions, vocal switches & utilization of multiple textures with her vocal agility (and in such a short amount of time) are essentially unparalleled in mainstream music. Tori is not there yet. She undoubtedly has the potential to get there. • Ariana's lows are pleasant to the ears even though they are not her forte. I can just imagine how great they would sound when she develops it. • People not thinking that Chloe wasn't lip-synching is reminiscent of people thinking that Beyonce doesn't lip-sync at all whilst performing. • Kelly Clarkson's middle name is *consistency* plus she has been putting out great music over the years. Her technique is solid! • THANK YOU! Leona's vocal agility is sublime and overall she is an underrated vocalist. • All vocal sisters in the vocal Trinity have wonderful resonance but yep, that captivating resonance coupled with the power in her belts are something else. Yep, Celine doesn't have the technique in the upper belts (her mix is impressive though) that the other two have and even though Mariah has the technique to soar with her upper belts, she doesn't have the stamina & consistency that her vocal sisters have. • With Demi's riffs & runs, less is definitely more. • I don't know them but oh wOw 8:51 they are obviously very uncomfortable and their introverted voices display that, these labels really treat a lot of artists like pawns. • 13:25 I don't know them either but considering that their mics stay on, they should be much more renowned than those who are put forward as the faces of KPop today. • I keep wondering what performance of Katy's went viral during her debut for • I think most find it hard to associate Mariah with "studio singer" because most of those who tend to be studio singers are subpar live. On the other hand, Mariah has many excellent vocals live but consistency has been a frenemy of hers for quite awhile. She's obviously much more comfortable in the studio. • Christina's vocal agility is so effortless & so soulful. I love how versatile she can be with her vocal agility. • Just like it started, how is this opinion not popular (low-key fact 😅 jk, but really). The mainstream male vocalists are not even giving the mainstream female vocalists a battle, it's like they aren't even trying yet they are outstreaming the female vocalists. 😞 Edit: The Adelecalypse is here, hopefully it gives the females a boost in streaming.
@@joanquintero4670 Amber Riley is right there with her. Could it be more developed, yes...& that's my point Edit: actually, Amber's lows are slightly better.
@@doodlebug4947 I was thinking of her but even though her belts are technically great she doesn't have the ease up there that Ariana does because her voice sits lower. I think that was @MerryChristmasEra's point; Ariana being a Soprano with a high tessitura. That's why I mentioned Amber.
(About perrie) pretty sure leigh, jade and jesy said something along the lines before. they know perrie is their best vocalist. little mix has always focused on giving equal attention to all members which I LOVE but that might be the reason why the fandom is like that I guess
Have to agree with twice.. sad but true. And also I don’t feel like they represent or stand for anything. They seem like the industry plant for kpop imo. Maybe next comeback.
Thank you for Kelly's praise! This incrediable woman is soooooo underated and underappreciated)) Kelly can sing everything) jazz, Rock, pop, folk,gospel, country! Her range, rich powerful tone, agility, songwriting brilliance)) And she is one of a few singers, who doesn't use controvercy, scandals, tricks and gimmicks, explicit dance routines to sell her albums and singles! Just pure sheer Vocal talent and charisma)) Also Whitney is a Beast)) the most powerful voice of all! Forever the Queen♥️🙌🏻
I honestly don't mind ppl thinking Tori has better agility than Mariah, because to an extent it is true. the difference is, that is Tori's main thing abt her voice. she incorporates runs on a very consistent basis. Meanwhile, it's a flex for Mariah that it's not even her main thing abt her voice, because she can basically do anything. agility is just one of many great vocal abilities that she has. imho, the main thing abt her voice or what she showcases more often is her wide vocal range (low notes and whistle register), and her amazing phrasing of upper belts.
Agility are a lot of other things : trills, appoggiatura, staccato, octave jump, transitions... Mariah can also do these things in whistle register and she is the only one. Her agility is unparalleled in mainstream music. Tori is not even close. And even in runs alone Mariah is better and faster the difference is the musicality, the perfect placement which makes runs go unnoticed and the fact that Mariah uses legato. Agree on the rest
@@balistoymarlonjade7642 To say Mariah is the onlynone is deluded. People have been whistling before and her whistling after her. Betty Wright, Cheryl Lynn, Minnie, Ym Sumac and many more and with real agility with their mics on...Not studio ones
this is incorrect. mariah isn’t a flex, underneath the stars, my all. it’s for the lyrics and story. and yes mariah was pushed to do her best. but her storytelling and vocal transitions in her runs. literally underneath the stars at tokyo dome. you ppl need to do research before speaking
14:11 I know the interview you’re talking about. It was while she was promoting Rainbow and talking about how she needs days of vocal rest at a time while on tour
It’s just not true that Mariah didn’t do justice to her songs in the 90s-early 00s. Today? Sure. But she often took her songs to new heights live in her prime years, sometimes making them more difficult. And to make a comment about het stamina just exhibits your own faulty vocal knowledge - Legase Singing speaks to why her stamina was freakishly good.
I think the difference between Twice and Itzy is that Twice was made from a survival show (i know some members are trained even before participating). Also, JYP Entertainment overwork Twice so much that there's no room for them to rest nor improving the vocals so...
Perrie has always been my FAVOURITE member of Little Mix, since the very beginning.❤️ so that isn’t an insult to me. I LOVE Mariah and Tori for their vocal abilities!❤️ as for the trinity, Whitney is my FAVOURITE!❤️❤️❤️❤️ (No Beyonce again!😭😢😭😢😭) l hope she’s in the next video.😢☺️
Lately you’ve been so consistent- for instance, you found a new concept, make series of it then u sadly took a pause nevertheless you’ve found an alternative to entertain us.
For part 2: -Beyoncé is not just a "performer", she is an amazing singer in every register. -Bruno Mars is the best male vocalist in the industry Celine Dion is the most consistent in the VT, and she is kinda underrated.
Mariah it's the best singer in VT! And leigh anne it's just as good as perrie when comes to belt! Mariah still better then 90% of the musical industry currently
Oh man TWICE is 🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾. This is a great video cause I have alot of unpopular opinions. Definitely agree that Whitney in her prime was the best belter. The male singers need to get their stuff together. Its so crazy cause back in the day we had Elton John, Luther Vandross, Barry Manilow, Freddy Mercury, Stevie Wonder etc. Now most of the male singers I see that are vocally great are either broadway style or RnB. I haven't seen one in pop music that knocks me off my feet lately. Some of my unpopular opinions would be as far as technique Beyonce probably has the best out of the singers of today. As far as vocal divas; in my opinion none of the singers out here today (mainstream) are on that level of diva status. I feel like the vocal trinity set the bar high when it comes to pop vocal divas. I think the last vocal divas came out around the 2000s (example: Beyonce, Jill Scott, Christina Aguilera, Ledisi, Jennifer Hudson, Jessie J, Jazmine Sullivan). I will give props to Shelea Frazier and Morissette. They have potential. Again great video.
It’s weird cause Twice used to be really good live vocalists, but i think the constant degrading of their vocals, has brought confident issues which means that they’re not the best. Ive been taught that your mental state and confidence can contribute to how you sound. Can someone correct me if I’m wrong Thank you have a nice
Its true. Ur confidence and ur mental state actually affects ur singing a lot hence why the first 3 shows of a tour are the “worst” because they are just getting used to performing in big crowds after 3-4 months of rehearsals and practicing
Let me ask you,if hater says you cant sing...what would you do???? Degrading your vocal or show them that you can sing??? If you show them that you can sing,then what can hater say??? They cant say anything.... But what twice members did just show that they cant sing,its not about the confident...but its about on having a good vocal as a singer..
@@anpanmlbb let me tell u something, u should stop expecting everyone to do the same thing when they got bashed from haters, yeah some r brave to fight against the hate and that’s because they’re confident about themselves but some r not confident enough to fight back and that makes them even more anxious as everyone keeps on expecting them to be perfect in every single aspect when they’re just humans, Twice can sing but its a matter of whether they r confident enough to produce great vocal or not. Like confidence might not have any connection to vocal technique but without confidence, any singer out there would have felt more anxious about their vocal just like Twice. Like ur words r not making anything better and the moment u said ‘Twice cant sing’, u already proved urself how ignorant u r to expect everyone in the world to act and do the same thing that some people might do. Ps. Im not good at english so i might misunderstood ur words so im going to apologize beforehand just in case i said something offensive in my comment
Twice do sing live, especially on their earlier years. However, after multiple fails and then them being attacked by like, every fandom ever, their confidence deteriorated. The lowest point being the I Can't Stop Me era which came after the More & More era, which had the infamous Momo and Tzuyu encores. Just try watching these encores before the infamous incident. th-cam.com/video/7rx7MQWK8As/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/lpAwNFBkojY/w-d-xo.html You can here everyone sing during the Fancy Era. th-cam.com/video/2IDgTYm_-Js/w-d-xo.html You can clearly see them enjoying encore stages during DTNA era. And era's before that. They even sing live on radio shows without bacning vocals. Now the stage you showed was ICSM. That was after the period wherein they were bashed so much, they became frightened of encore stages because they know every mistake will be pinpointed (which is so unfair considering some groups don't even sing live on their encore). Momo, especially, was so bashed to the point where she hides from the camera during encore stages. I know Twice are not the best vocalists but their concerts show that they can sing. They are like Mariah where when on live TV, performances are not the best after years of being on the receiving end of hatred. However, when on concerts and tour, wherein they know their true fans are the ones watching, they are at their best state. I'm not comparing Mariah's vocals to Twice's, just their confidence. Your opinion about their encore stages is not unpopular, especially now (I mean most encore stages are meh now) but the reasons you gave to justify them are the one that are false. Research more before saying things like they didn't practice too much etc etc. I'm not saying their voices doesn't need work but it's not the main problem, it's their confidence. Watch concert videos! Of course no one believes they are singing live on ICSM stage you've shown. We know when they are singing live and when they are not, duh. Again, watch other, especially older videos. Ughh, this is the only time I disagreed on your opinion. And I fucking hate it. The basis on this one was really shallow and not well-read into. Smh. Just compare. Before more and more Radio show th-cam.com/video/M4pk0Wx372w/w-d-xo.html Signal th-cam.com/video/M7YSKLrV4Vw/w-d-xo.html Cheer up th-cam.com/video/Awh_HCHJG-Q/w-d-xo.html Yes or yes th-cam.com/video/waVRwJ1T0NM/w-d-xo.html TT th-cam.com/video/ndDreQjm00A/w-d-xo.html After more and more ICSM th-cam.com/video/oe6-dRT-UQQ/w-d-xo.html Scientist th-cam.com/video/AJ76rrOQDxE/w-d-xo.html I mean look at Momo at the back.
Kelly Clarkson is severely underrated. It's mind boggling to me. I would also want to mention Anastacia as an underrated singer, though she doesn't do strictly pop. But general question: Why is this entirely about women? It's so weird to me, but it feels like male pop vocalists are never under the same scrutiny as female vocalists.
Mariah has showed the most impressive and complex live vocals ever in mainstream music in her prime. Studio singer my ass haha . Litterally the best vocalist in mainstream music and I'm not even a big fan of her
@@milesheizer698 she has never shown trills, appoggiatura , staccato, and Mariah's inhuman transitions. Not to mention that Mariah is agile even in whistle register. Not even close. She sang Vision of love except that her voice is not quite comparable but look at the difference between early 90s Mariah and her in melismatic style, not even close and she can't do the final appoggiatura not even like the studio let alone the more complex one that Mariah did live many times
yeah I agree, twice should be more professional in encores, nerves shouldn't get the best of them, no matter how much hate they get. And it's interesting with twice cuz they can do 3-4 hour concerts with hard choreos and live singing, but they can't seem to be able to sing an encore without shaking. It's sad, but they need to gain confidence. Also I don't know why they do hard choreos with hard songs if they can sing them live only once or twice, cuz they used to sing live all the time up until 2 years ago. But I also do think they practice their singing, they've definitely improved over the years, and when they sing live with backtrack they seem to do well, but then they do bad in encores. It's literally just a matter of confidence, and not giving hard parts to non vocally proficient members.
Mariah Runs and Riff are so unique its hard for anyone else to actually copy it, Tori Runs and Riff feels like runs and riffs. Musically i would give it to Mariah
1. I agree with Tori being in the same lane as Mariah in terms of agility coz honestly, the girl is fast af! It's just that Mariah has more dynamics in her voice than Tori coz of the different genres she made in her music. 2. Mariah is built for studio and she already said that in the past. She loves the process of making and writing songs more than actually performing them live. 3. Xtina should use more of her agility coz she never lost it, she just tends to oversing in her belts but honestly if she just pull her vocals back to just use short but intricate riffs or runs, she would sound better. 4. Xtina's natural tone in her belting sounds beautiful and healthier but she would lose her sound and identity if she pulled back to her natural sound without straining (coz I do think she just does it coz ppl recognize it as hers.) Say Something is a great example of her natural sweet and pleasant tone and she should've used that tone more the moment she showcased that in the whole song to reinvent her sound.
You need to read up on melismatic singing because being quick is just a small part of it. Mariah was a virtuoso because she was quick, accurate, complex, and has unmatched musicality and technical prowess. She implemented tonal quality changes in milliseconds to match the melodies. Tori has great precision, but her musicality and skill do not compare to Carey’s.
@@Roguenight863 Tori hasn’t displayed Mariah’s insane ability for transitions during melismatic runs so in all reality the only logical debate is that Tori’s voice can move just as fast as Mariah’s
30 + years later, and yet not a single video where Mariah or Celine or Whitney don’t appear -and yet people hate on them. Also notice how almost everyone in this video took inspiration from Mariah/ Celine or Whitney so y’all better respect this 3 legends (of course there are many more from the 70-90s btw) . -often imitated, never duplicated
8:25 TWICE is a very busy group, they probably take the encore stage less seriously as you can see they don't have much rest, Nayeon revealed in a video that she only has 2-5 hours to sleep. That day she had 3 hours to sleep which was 1am-4am. Can you imagine that? In the next video you do can you mention abit about RED VELVET because right now people are confused between if they lip-sync or not. I also want to know abit about SOMI. ITZY best MIC on moments: th-cam.com/video/wObW5a2RP9U/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/lwBF-QwYwBo/w-d-xo.html
I'm glad you mention Kelly Clarkson & Leona Lewis, especially KC whose techniques shouldn't be ranked inferior to Christina Aguilera's. I may not agree with the Celine Dion part (of her lacking skills in the upper belts). I think her resonance & support in the upper register is great (her Diva Night show with Aretha Franklin is iconic). Nasal replacement is different from nasality. She's underrated a lot as well, with her piercing resonance, power (as a lyric soprano), agility (speed & complexity) & fluidity in head voice. Listen to more of her ballads & you will know how she's often underrated in those rankings. I may not agree with Mariah Carey's one either. Listen to some of her mid-90s to 2000s runs & riffs, especially _Lead the Way_ if studios versions count (as you play Tori Kelly's MV here). That's another level. (P.S. Please listen to her singing _We aren't making love anymore_ with Michael Bolton live in her 20; _Vanishing_ MSG 1993 live show as well, not the more popular SNL rehearsal one) TK's clarity here actually reminds me of CD's runs. Fast, precise & crystal clear. MC's melismas are always in between her transition which could be airy. That's why her runs are often not "straight" with higher complexity. You have to slow down the clip to catch them up. If we only talk about clean, chesty inflection, Whitney Houston comes to my mind. Beyoncé is also an expert in this department. I wanna know your thoughts on her.
Can we all come together and hold male singers at a higher standard when singing? I never see any videos about male singers vocal technique or anything of the sort and it’s sooo sad😭
@AJB3 Honestly same, for both parts. Like I am in LOVE with Ariana Grande, but I can’t sing her songs all the time. Male singers though, they don’t ever do anything that shows vocal skill, so how am I supposed to show off whatI can do with my voice???
i do think they were a little unprepared during the d4 era and that kinda gave them a bad rep, especially with those mr removed videos, but blackpink has always been under-valued in terms of vocals
So glad someone finally said something about twice’s lipsyncing. been saying it for years, but everyone always attacks me despite the fact that i’m right
Twice had a strong vocal line, but sadly jyp dont really care about it. Twice had been given songs that are quite out of their range, so its hard for them to perform, especially while dancing. And also k-nets and basically all the people on the internet really just... yk break their confidence in singing. I do hope they will regain their confidence back and sing happily
Agree about little mix. Perrie being the best vocalist is never an insult to the other girls as they can certainly hold their own. They ofc all have their strengths but how people are still trying to downplay perries talent I will never understand.
I have noticed this, when there is a post or video appreciating jade, Leigh Anne or jesy(before)... Comments are filled praising them, focusing on them specifically.
But when it's about Perrie, there are always people saying "jade is also good, Leigh Anne is best, make a video on jesy".. They just can't let a post be all about Perrie, appreciating her and letting her take the limelight for once
@@riddhigupta6934 exactly. Just because Perrie used to be the most talked about doesn’t mean we should no longer talk about her now. All of the girls deserve appreciation but if it’s a comment or video about one girl then that’s completely fine and there is no need for people to constantly downplay Perrie to praise the others.
Exactly
Amen to that my sister it makes NO sense at all Perrie is that gurl when it comes to vocals
@@milkyteawithbiscuits3555 I hate that it leads to silly arguments though. There is a lot of sensitive people in this fandom with no actual vocal knowledge so unfortunately arguments are created very easily.
Itzy is not the strongest group in terms of range or technique, but their mics are ON, and I do prefer live vocals instead of "it's for a better performance"
I love them for what they're doing, it makes me appreciate so much more!
Yes their vocal ability in their debut era is already so much more stable then some other group from jyp
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Exactly, prefiero mil veces escuchar a los idols en vivo y q demuestren q pueden un buen performance con el microfono prendido, en vez de solo escuchar el audio de la canción
yess, it's also even better when you remember ITZY is one of the more choreo-focused groups who have very difficult, exhausting, and complicated choreos but they still have their mics on
That Kelly section was MESMERIZING. She's honestly a vocal legend. What song is she singing in the second clip??
Hard to say I’m sorry
Dream on
Exes - Cain
Also agree MESMERIZING indeed!! lol
You should see her live. Her vocals are underappreciated. So glad i went to her All I Ever Wanted Tour. I hope Leona Lewis does a comeback, i love her vocal color and pipes. Blackpink doesnt deserve the hate, they're better vocalists than Twice who are more popular in korea.
For real! She has always been one of my favorite vocalists plus she has such a great personality and sense of humor!
I love that you appreciate Kelly Clarkson so much! She really is an underrated technician. Her versatility is amazing and her tone is magical!
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twice seriously need to have a better vocal coach. they don't need to hit super high notes, just need to actually hit a note
For alcohol free I think they sound pretty great tho
a thing I think should be taken into account is that their older encore stages were a lot better but for some reason recently (really starting with More&More) they just seem to have lost a lot of confidence when it comes to live singing on music shows and it really shows. Just hoping that they sing live for their upcoming tour because they typically have in the past but that was before this shift.
Ikr! They don't need to sing super high but I need them to be confident when they sing live.
Lol
@@angelinebena9675 they don’t sing live 😞
I've seen so many opinions on how Itzy are over hyped since their songs aren't anything extraordinary and their vocals aren't mind blowing but I believe judging by their choreographies, live vocals and stage presence they deserve all the hype they get and actually more since they really be singing LIVE with neck, back and knee breaking choreos, some groups can't even sing their own songs live while standing or sitting 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
The songs are getting better and better... The dalla dalla and wannabe , icy era was kinda childish very pg13 lol but they growing ....hope jyp don't fuck it up
Especially LIA's stabibility girl
@@joeaaron1 las 1eras eras fueron así pq era dirigido a adolescentes, no eran girlcrush al principio sino eran teen crush, su publico esta creciendo con ellas, ahora recien empiezan a hacer conceptp girlcrush
Apparently they aren't singing live in their recent concerts and fans are upset
@KhadaJhin04 From what I understand that there are segments in their shows where they don't sing live purposely to help break up the atmosphere and allow them to rest, especially since Lia is on hiatus, the other members are doing their own parts as well as hers which can be very exhausting. But Itzy is a very well-balanced group. In cases where they aren't singing live, the dance and performances are much stronger. They know how to balance out their strengths and weaknesses to give an overall great performance.
He didn't really go off on the male singers enough for me 😭THEY NEED TO GET THEIR STUFF TOGETHER!!!
Facts they need to get dragged frfr lmafo
But at the same time male vocalists are really judged unfairly.
Men have thicker vocal chords to work with, have to relearn basically everything post puberty and have - in general - an harder time accessing their mixed and head voice ( while female singers tend to struggle with pure chest and lows, except nobody cares much about lows ). People in the vocal nerds communities are especially critical of tenors for struggling with their head voice when - though they have higher and lighter voice - they have the hardest time reclaiming their mixed and head voice out of all male fachs. Thicker vocal tracts also a lot harder for men to get used to giving the adequate amount of force for riffing and running.
While most men regardless of fach can produce a head voice up to A5 - D6, most of us really struggle to find the right coordination to break the F5-G#5 point, because we're naturally engaging in a lot more TA action than women do and thus struggle to allow the CT muscles to do their work. But then people are still gonna give you flack for not being able to replicate Ariana's Eb6s.
Fore more or less the same reasons, people expect male singers to be phrasing verses in the F4-A4 range and belting choruses in the Bb4 - Eb5 range like the girls do ( and most of them end up doing just that and giving you thin vocals as a consequence ) when even high tenors should realistically stay in the D4 - F4 range most of the time, and having their climaxes in the G#4 - B4 range.
A lot of male artists are just coasting, true, but there are also a lot of them going HARD and unnoticed because y'all are judging them to females standards.
Like I see people constantly trashing on Justin Bieber's vocals, but even if he can be thin at times, the dude is often phrasing in the G4-Bb4 area, which is no small feat. This very channel ( no offense, I like the videos, just aknowledging the bias ) also somewhat clowns some of his runs, to then praise worse runs coming out of a female singer, even though _it should be harder for Justin to execute them_.
And then very few people in the vocal nerds communities take the time to appreciate some good Shawn Mendes, Justin Bieber, The Weeknd, Michael Bublé, John Legend, Zayn Malik, Chris Brown, Jason Derulo, Usher, Bruno Mars, Justin Timberlake, Avant, Ney-Yo or Treyz Songs vocals... y'all don't even *take interest* in the plethora of good male singers out there, and then have the AUDACITY to clown them every time they crack.
@@skayles4716 you made some great points! I personally was talking about the quality of music not vocal abilities. Their music just doesn’t hit like it should nowadays. But you are 100% right on the judgement of the male vocals
@@dantesworld Pop music's main market is young girl, so being a handsome male individual just helps coasting more easily.
On the other hand when you have :
> the bias towards female voices
> the easier marketability ( even for mediocre products )
> the masculine image to somewhat uphold ( which can be limiting for artistry )
being limiting factors on the quality of male singer's pop projects.
Why would your label pump money in your art if they get better results for pumping it in marketing ?
Why would the good producers fight to be on your records if even the niche population of musically inclined people isn't gonna appreciate how production and vocals complement themselves ?
Why would the good designers make real efforts for your aesthetic if they are gonna be creatively limited compared to what they could do with women ?
Sadly, the business is harder on women, but the art is harder on men.
In the end everyone loses :(
@@thatkidjerm There's a few out there.
You've got Michael Bublé and John Legend, the lead singer for Coldplay, Troye Sivan and if you don't mind a throwback, Luther Vandross and Frank Sinatra both have nice catalogs.
But yeah most of the male singers are light tenors ( tho as a light tenor myself I'm not complaining ).
Definitely agree with the one about itzy. A lot of kpop stans like to use difficult choreographies as an excuse for idols lip-syncing and itzy is proof that live singing is possible even with some of the hardest choreographies in kpop. People need to appreciate them more!!
Totally agree with u. Idols like Itzy (also Dreamcatcher pwp) need so much more appreciation instead of hate. life vocals >>>>>> lip synched.
the thing is itzy sings live but they aren’t going to sound 100% like the studio version because, they’re human. and kpop fans want perfect vocals with perfect dancing so they can brag about their faves. so the moment every kpop act starts singing fully live they’re bound to make mistakes (which I fully welcome, I prefer those performances) but fans will not be so lenient
Kelly Clarkson is way too underrated as a Vocalist!!! She's a vocal legend who gets better and better with age!! She's a very well-rounded vocalist and her Versatility is just unmatched!!!❤️🔥
i love twice and they are definitely talented, but i agree about the encore stages. their managers really need to let them sing live more and practice vocal and breath stability during performances
No solo su estabilidad sino tambien que generen tecnicas vocales q sean sanas, pq si siguen así en el futuro les va a pasar factura, a Momo la le esta pasando factura
Their encore stages were better until more and more happened. Have you even watched their older stages??? Or even their radio performances. Plus the alcohol free one was actually decent.
Yes! JYP is obsessed with the “baby voice” especially with momo... it’s not good for their vocals and it’s overshadowing their true talent
Nope!!!
Even so the encore is just for fun so I don’t know why we worry about it bc they always sound amazing in concerts live anyways
SAY ITTTTT!!!!! Perrie being the best vocalist of little mix is NOT an insult to the other girls, it is just a recognition to her talent. “Over sensitive fans” exactly those are the only ones who deny it. I’m sick of people acting like her being the best vocalist is a biased opinion rather than an acknowledged fact.
Idk how its biased when U can literally hear her technique is more worked on than Leigh Anne & Jade. Are the other girls really good??? Yes but Perrie has spent more time on her technique. Idk people need to stop getting in their feelings when it comes to girl groups
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 exactly. If little mix were a kpop group with labels such as “perrie: main vocalist. Leigh anne and jade: lead vocalists” people would’t dare argue. But they like to live in a bit of a delusion saying they’re all equally good when that’s just not true. In EVERY group there is the best, as simple as that.
@@AlwaysLM2011 just because some people like your comment doesn't mean most people agree with you. there are a lot of non-mixers that follow the girls and are not on youtube.
anyway, it's your right to think that perrie isn't the best vocalist in the group...
While that is definitely true and Perrie's skills should be acknowledged, I understand why fans wouldn't want to paint her as 'the best vocalist'. It has been done way too many times before and it never ended well. (Camila - Although Dinah is the best vocalist in 5H, Beyonce, Zayn and later Harry) Perrie, Jade and Leigh-Anne are undeniably close but I think the fans are just protective of their friendship. It does get too much sometimes.
The problem arises when people are like, "Oh my goodness, she is so good! I don't understand why she has to be in a band when she can be a solo artist with her skills." That is rude and disrespectful to the other girls and Perrie herself.
@@AlwaysLM2011 but the thing that i’m trying to say without sounding offensive is: perrie being the best vocalist is not an opinion, it’s a fact. We can sit here, sugar coat, beat around the bush and stuff, but it wouldn’t change the fact that she has the best technique in general, and THATS OKAY! That does NOT mean she has to be your favorite, that does not mean she has to be the lead singer, we are JUST recognizing her talent because as he said, it is disrespectful to undermine her talents just because you are sensitive. Her being the best vocalist does not delete leigh anne and jade’s talents, they are also incredible vocalists as well, we are just recognizing the FACT (one that was backed up with evidence and is very much proven to be true) that perrie is the best vocalist of the group.
The thing with Mariah's agility is that she actually makes you believe all the runs & riffs that she does are actually part of the song. It's not there for the sake of being extras but rather serving some purposes. That's how accurate she is. For instance, try singing Always Be My Baby in a straight tone it's gonna feel so wrong without the riffs & runs. The same cannot be said for other singers.
The same could also be said about Tori Kelly and JoJo especially Tori. Don't make it seem as if she's the only one who has such musicality. Not denying that Mariah is a genius at that but she's not the only one deserving of that compliment.
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 You must have misunderstood my comment. I didn't say or intend to make it like she's the only one. I would have mentioned names if I wanted to direct the comment in that manner. But I do understand that bringing down other singers doesn't make the one that we prefer any better🤷
At the end of the day, it's down to our own preferences. I like how Mariah does it musically because to me it's just nice nothing over the top irritating. Of course many others are able to do it too but in my opinion not as pleasing to my ears as Mariah. Again, personal preferences and opinions. And you absolutely have the same exact discretion to prefer yours just like I do. If you think Kelly and Jojo have done a good job too, please make a new comment of your own instead of firing at mine.
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 took that personally huh ?
Mariah's runs add to the foundation of the song. I don't know Tori's entire catalog but from what I have heard her runs are just embellishments. That could be removed without changing much of the song.
@@raaid22 True👍 That's what I meant. It's an integral part of her songs which is not just there for showing off. Take it away and the songs will sound quite odd. Just look at how sometimes Mariah herself skips her runs live and suddenly the song she's singing doesn't sound right anymore.
That's because Mariah's songs are so intricately mixed and layerd that it's almost impossible to replicate live. She can sing a song straight just as well.
Mariah DOES lip-synch quite often - But I still don’t think she gets enough credit for the fact that MOST of her entire sets are live ( Even though claimed lip-synch … Just because they sound good) 💀❤️❤️❤️❤️
Especially recent years, she’s been live singing quite a lot on her Caution tour fx.
And many attempts of studio vocals and some of her most popular live ad-libs! ❤️
Even Mariah on stage today could smoke a lot of singers in the game today.
@electricxcircus studio is actually the best for every singers lol since you can try until you satisfied, the only reason you can do live better than studio is when your technic is way superior than the time you recorded that song, so you can improvise more live confidently, and Mariah has a lot of live better than studio when she was 26, she was on her peak, she improvised so many high notes in her earlier songs.
Most of her set is not live lol
Literally almost every climax of each song is lipped.
You can literally hear the change in tone when it’s lipped - And most of the concerts I’ve been to with her, she’s had the same tone through the most of the concerts.
But also, as long as the concert is great and coherent.. as in her lip-synching is minimal and subtle.. I’m fine, all the way!
I just want a great experience!
And if at least a little live singing, is present then I can’t ask for more.. ❤️❤️
( generally speaking, I do prefer whole live sets and so on, tho)
@@THEE.apples Climaxes≠the whole songs
Kelly sounds like she's in her prime now. Which is pretty much when it should be, in the 30's.
But she regressed..definitely not her prime. She was better when she was younger..
@@laramiaizz I don't think so. She's only rapsy now cuz her support was shaky before and she strained a lot but technically, it's much better now. The belts sound open, the conected registers...
@@soaribb32 i agree
She sounds even better now ❤
Man I really wanna see what happens if Mariah and Tori sang together. Tori tends to hold WAY BACK when she’s singing with someone not as vocally strong as her but with Mariah, it should be interesting 😭 I wish Mariah would have Tori as part of her Christmas special this year, Tori’s Christmas album is probably the best since Mariah’s and that’s coming from an unbiased view.
She really went all out when she sang with JoJo. Even though JoJo is the better vocalist (overall) but Tori shone more coz she really went for it..
@@laramiaizz Though I disagree with JoJo being the better vocalist (I think they’re on par or Tori being better most of the time and more consistent), it’s true that that was one of the few times she didn’t hold back. I would add in the Kelly Clarkson duet and Avery Wilson IG Live too. I hope she starts working more with people at her vocal level so she’s not restricted 😭
@@glossiergloss4293 JoJo is the better belter even though she is a mezzo and Tori is a light lyric. She has more support and resonant up there. And being a mezzo, it's not a suprise her lows are better. Oh and, her head voice is tremendously better than Tori's..
@@laramiaizz true, both are really close to each other tbh, but i do notice jojo tends to have some issues with pitch accuracy. also jojo can be very chesty in her belts while tori can be too heady (especially on her higher belts), hope they can find a better balance but both truly the bests of this generation whew
@@laramiaizz honestly, both of these gurls almost support the same notes, nowadays Tori is free on her E5, and especially when she performed on her live Christmas Session, she sounded free at F#5 sometimes, but yup, Jojo is more consistent
Ariana's lows are actually very strong for a soprano (she is able to project consistently down to F3, and sometimes down to Eb3/E3, with consistency down to F#3). Very few sopranos in the industry beat her in the lower register (these include and are limited to: Aretha Franklin, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Taylor Swift, Whitney Houston, Tori Kelly and Patti LaBelle)
Her low notes are good, but definitely not strong when she just can keep them for less than 4 seconds
She's had some very good moments, but for the most part her lows are just good. There are quite a few other sopranos with stronger and more consistent lows, like Tori Kelly and Jessie J for example. Her tone down there is really nice though 🔥
@@dancanvocals those sopranos are not strictly the same tessitura than Ariana's and they don't have Ariana's ease in the upper registers
Isn't Mariah a mezzo?
@@dancanvocals I don't think those singers have the same tessitura as ariana I could be wrong
Agree with alot of them.
Personally I dont understand the actual point of training sometimes in kpop because lots of kpop idols that debut are actually bad singers or majority of the time lipsync or use extremely loud backtrack like if your going to be a singer and debut at least have a good voice and sing live majority of the time.
that is something that i have always been asking myself... anywho i guess they have a lot of areas to work on before debuting...
Yeah like where do they pick these trainees.
Ikr they be appearently training 7 days a week 12 hours a day and still cannot hold a note. Like what are you even Training
@@annielovesmusic6348 exactly I remember watching girls planet and some of the trainees were terrible I even spoke about it with my friends saying imagine if they were auditioning on a western tv show they would be denied straight away
@@jwbeyes665 exactly like I get singing and dancing together is hard but lots of singers can do it without years of training.
Re: Tori vs Mariah’s riffs and runs. Speed and agility aren’t quite the same thing. While Tori definitely can riff faster, I don’t think she covers quite the same range that Mariah has with some of her riffs, or is as inventive. Mariah is influenced not just by gospel and R&B but also jazz and opera.
Calling Mariah a “studio singer” is harsh because even outside the studio most of her peers couldn’t do what she does on the stage live, let alone in the studio. It’s kind of implying she can’t sing or perform at all outside the studio, when we all know that’s not true. I’ve yet to hear a credible cover of so many of her songs, even some old classics from her debut era like Vision of Love (which she has never lip synced) and Love Takes Time. It doesn’t help that maybe only two or three people can whistle nearly as well as she can AND sing well in their normal registers.
Literally no one could. He’s a pressed Fighter, though…are we surprised
You guys need to understand how agility works Tory is fast but you can hear her notes when the notes are so fast they disappear that’s on a whole other level only ones I’ve heard have that are beyonce and mariah
Absolutely agree. Amazingly put together!
I actually think Tori's musicality is at least somewhat comparable to Mariah. I would never compare a singer like JoJo, who is quick and precise, but lacks in musicality and creativity to Mariah, but Tori is a different case.
Being a "studio singer" has nothing to do with how your peers perform in comparison to you. Mariah is still great, but lambs know best that there are many vocal moments she hasn't recreated live. Her 2014 album was an absolute peak of that but there are many moments before that as well. If you consistently record difficult, demanding vocals in the studio which you don't recreate or most of the time, don't even attempt live then being called a "studio singer" is kinda expected.
What cannot be forgotten is that Mariah has always been a great live singer nonetheless.
I also think Caution was a step in the right direction in terms of adjusting the material to her current consistent voice.
This Fighter needs to give it up 💀 Mariah often exceeded her recordings in the 90s and to imply that Tori Kelly shared her musicality makes it apparent that you’re trying to discredit Mariah
I think Leona’s agility going unnoticed is just because the use is subtle rather than showy. It’s one of the two things (the other being the way she uses her head voice) where I can hear an obvious (Daydream/Music Box era) Mariah influence.
Edit: in fact before I knew Mariah’s music I actually used to think Leona Lewis was the one singing Fantasy whenever I heard it being played somewhere or another.
Edit 2: I couldn’t quite find the clip for the Mariah interview about her keys (other than I knew it was in the rainbow era) but I do remember her also saying something similar about You Don’t Know What To Do and she said something “I don’t want to make music that will make you sleep”
Edit 3: found the rainbow clip th-cam.com/video/Gf44GGf7Y3Q/w-d-xo.html
Leona is one of the best vocalist ever. 😩
Agree. Tori Kelly’s agility is legendary.
Ariana’s lower register is really good, considering she is soprano, but she has said it is the first part she loses when she is sick or her voice is compromised.
I love Chloe but that song is so tired out now but I’m loving that she is getting some soloist moments. Hopefully she releases more songs that isn’t just Have Mercy plus in Global Citizens she adlibbed a Full HV C#6 and that impresses me!!!
Hate that song🥴 Not the stuff I was expecting from a vocal and producing giant like her tbh.
Sounds like something one of these new rap girls would sing
Well there's still a remix on the way...
It isn’t played out. Y’all doing WAY too much.
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 played out and being tired out aren’t the same thing. Lol
She’s releasing a solo album…catch up
Okay but I have to praise:
Tzuyu for working hard and always singing on Encores, she was a weak vocalist in Sixteen but I think she's improved a lot.
Jihyo, Jeongyeon and Nayeon (even trough she had couple misses) for giving good vocals on Encores even if songs are sometimes not their range (I can't stop me era) and for always having that positive energy on stage.
Mariah being a "studio singer" is true. She built the songs to be rich in textures, melodies and experimental positions of her instrument. She create music to be appreciated in the way it was thought, produced, and basically "done" in the studio. That's why her material is nearly impossible to sing in live sets for her and FUNDAMENTALLY impossible for others to sing.
Her live vocals in her prime are untouchable for anyone. After the prime years every singer can be considered a "studio singer". Nobody replicate the studio vocals after the prime years especially if they are complex like Mariah's. This video is just an excuse to belittle a legendary vocalist, this speech could be done for any singer.
@@vocalslover2131 YAAASSS!!! Technically she's a literal PRO, I mean, her material are not concepted to be performed live, never been. I called her "studio singer" because most of her material doesn't actually work live without adaptations. Adaptations she often don't pay attention to rearrange. Basically, it's not and never been her purpose to be a "performer". Songs like Babydoll, Bliss, Circles, Joyride and etc. show that perfectly.
@@vocalslover2131 still here..clap for yourself.
That's nothing to be proud of actually if she can't recreate those Iconic vocals live y'all just trippin'😭😂😂
@@tammythrillz9952 but she has... Especially in her prime. I think they're referring to her layering on layering vocals that are impossible to do all exactly at once.
Tbh I agree that the best belter was Whitney, tho they’re all great obviously lol. Also I love Mariah of course, but I understand why people call her a studio singer, even if harsh. She has plenty of great live performances
I would like to believe this but I somehow feel like Mariah’s songs are too difficult to sing consistently and be able to finish show after show.
People can't match Mariah's live vocals in her prime not even in studio haha . People talk about her studio vocals but let's talk about her live vocals in her prime, her skills, who can replicate them? Can anyone do everything Mariah could do with her voice? Has anyone ever shown it? Nobody. The only vocalist who can't be touched, just search for covers : Emotions, Can't let go, If It's over, Vanishing, Vision of love, nobody even comes close to singing her songs with the same arrangement of her live performances and with a great technique. Mariah's best live performances are litterally the higher standard vocally in mainstream music. Studio singer lol, only envy for a vocalist AND artist with too much talent compared to her peers
@@honestperson3042 of all the languages that exist you chose to speak facts!!
@@honestperson3042 And Mariah's tone is too special. They can't even cover her C5
@@honestperson3042 exactly...no matter the cover you come across it's just not the same. They are unable to match the arrangement of the studio or Live MC performances. Doesn't matter how technically good the singer is..it's just not the same. MC's vocal standards are soooo high.
Also, these nodules make Mariah a lot more inconsistent than she would have been without it. Trust me if it weren't for these nodules and overwork, no one would touch Mariah today...hell, she has trouble in her upper belting range and still no one touches Mariah.
Her cords are fragile and tire quickly...it's not made to do show, after show, after show...people need to understand this.
Whitney - damn, what a voice! Natural talent combined with hard work gave us a magical vocalist. Rest in peace, dear.
what I can say about mariah is that she knows her limits but she also knows that she can hit the same notes, just not as easy or as clean as she'd like to, and her set list has always been that of a throwback to her best songs in the 90's and 2000's. If she sang songs from caution more, she would've had no problems at all. She's also been trashed so harshly with the smallest fails and was constantly written off, which probably had a toll on her confidence and which subsequently affected her singing that sounds like she has a bit of discomfort. She's way more willing to take risks at home and do some belting at home, evident from this quarantine. She has an image of a vocalist that she has to preserve and people has been trying to take her down, but let's see in the next era what she has to offer again
All those live performances in her prime are just validation that she can sing.But because the audience put too much expectation on her it take a toll on her confidence for being a rated high end vocalist along with Whitney Celine in her time.Look at her amazing acapellas without any audience.Shes so confortable
I love Tori's riffs and runs she does have a better agility in term of speed, her runs most of the time are predictible to me, not in a bad way because I love her choices and creativity but Mariah...every song i heard her blows me away because who tf would think of that melody or run like it's sooooo tasteful, it's so unpredictable
This! Thank you.
Tori vocal Runs are just scaling
Mariah be receiving revelations with her vocal runs
@@erpmo3326 just scaling??? I can do Mariah's but it's impossible for me to do it like Tori 🥲💀
@@mooblink4ever899 do lead the way✋😌
Torri notes be 9 notes max🤣
@@mooblink4ever899 is this you when you lie? Yikes, sis it's not a good look
@@erpmo3326 please 💀
Singing is also a lot about your instrument. Perrie has an amazing instrument that’s simply more powerful than Leigh and Jade’s. And I say this as someone who loves Leigh the most
Leigh-Anne is my favorite as well!
YES ABOUT DEMI. Their improvement is very noticeable. A problematic but talented vocalist 😭
Why problematic?
@@annaelizabethsanabio3841 I mean, Demi is a problematic persob
@@avocadotortilla746 wht did Demi do?
@@Dimyixx They're pretty problematic u know. From trying to cancel a froyo shop to saying "alien" is offensive. Their new show is also weird. I'm sorry.
@@avocadotortilla746 when they said that "aliens" was an offensive term, they were talking about when it was used to talk about inmigrants, who often are called "aliens" in the us
btw sorry for the bad english, im mexican lol
This video is one of my favorite videos you have ever done !!!
Part 2 and Part 3 of this !!!
Awesome 👏🏽 job man - I agree with all of these points ‼️
Loved the video, however, do need to point out some things about Twice. As a longtime Kpop fan (almost 10 years), it is horrible how nasty Korean neitzens can be. The k-netz killed Twice’s confidence when it comes to singing live. In their earlier years, like ITZY, Twice would sing live and sound decent (I’m not the vocal coach here, don’t take my word). The constant backlash killed them. That’s why they look so scared during their encores. You can look at Twice’s behind the scenes or V-Live videos to hear the members singing live and sounding a lot more comfortable. Also, encore stages have changed. Encores used be a time for fan service where the idols would do funny challenges. Now, they have to sing. It’s not fun anymore. That being said, Twice is a senior group in Kpop, 6 years. With six years, there hasn’t been noticeable changes in their vocals to fans. It’s disappointing. They need to work on their vocals and confidence.
Yeah, until 2018 they would always perform on Sketchbook
I agree that most in Twice are average vocalists except when it comes to Jihyo. Seeing how she was during pre-debut & debut, she is (or at least was) a very good vocalist. Not amazing but definitely good enough to be the main vocalist. Her technique is a little over average, but she has her own style of singing and has really good emotional delivery. Her versatility is also quite good too. Vocal technique is the most important and it needs to be at least decent no matter what, but there are other things that can make you a good or better singer. The only thing Jihyo really lacks is confidence, otherwise she would be a great singer. Nayeon & Jeongyeon would be good, & the rest of twice would be decent if they all had confidence and had continued improving. I hate knetz so much.
I loved this video! Part 2 for sure I'm down. I also love the Tori Kelly Ariana Leona Blackpink and Katy appreciation
Mariah is more creative with her runs in my opinion, her musicality is the most impressive thing about her runs.
This is it. Christina has crazy runs but the more you listen the more similar they sound. Keke Wyatt does incredible with agility and strength of her runs and ad libs,but musically, Mariach is just phenomenal.
Finally someone gives Katy her flowers.
Also can we talk bout Taylor's lower register?
This! Her lows are so effortless! My soprano ass could never!
Mariah did enough in the 90s and let’s not forget that all of her songs are hard asf✍🏼and Tori is not better than Mariah when it comes to riffs and runs
No one said Tori was better. He said she’s up there with her
tori's runs are fcking amazing i just sometimes think they're not that necessary. mariah is better at controling her naturally agile voice, is like tori cant help but run all the time hahah
so it’s only cute when mariah does it ?
Translation: I prefer Mariah.
Why can't you just say it....?
@@wthjavi not at all. tori's ability to come up with creative runs in split senconds is mind blowing
@@Roguenight863 i wanted to elaborate on why i prefer mariah's while still aknwoledging that tori has an amazing agility
@@daruleos ....alright
I don't think using ICSM and More&More as an example isn't aging well. To justify, listen to TWICE's Japanese songs in Japan as they sing it 100% live during performance.
I have a few opinions even though no one asked for them:
Currently, there's no popular singer that can match Tori Kelly's tastes for melismas and runs. She doesn't overdo them, she has superb pitch control, and she also somehow manages to intertwine them into the melodies of the song. No one comes close. NO ONE.
Mariah Carey and Christina Aguilera have perfect voices for jazz. They should sing more jazz. Their lower-registers while strong as hell, aren't barely used at all in their songs. Christina goes for the strain, and Mariah goes for falsetto. Sing jazz! Keep it low, warm, soft, and jazzy. I would a 100% listen to whatever full jazz albums they release.
Most Kpop "singers" are dancers and performers first, singers second. It's quite hard to find a group or soloist that truly delivers an A-tier performance on every department. The groups and singers that used to belt it out are almost all disbanded, or their popularity doesn't keep rising due to being too skilled when compared to their shiny co-workers. It's a shame, but unfortunately, most of them can't sing. Sorry.
Lower register barely used ? Yes you really know Mariah . Mariah has the most versatile voice and can sing everything, in her career she has shown that she can sing any genre and more vocal styles than any other singer. She definitely use every register known to man, she use all her range not only falsetto, not true anyway but you clearly know only the Mariah of the last few years
@@honestperson3042 I don't know her, and kudos to you for knowing her. I don't care for modern-Mariah at all precisely due to how much falsetto she uses. Old-school Mariah used her entire range, specially her lower range in the beginning of her songs. Present-day Mariah whispers far too much for my personal tastes, and while she dabbles every now and then into her lower-register, she sings most of the songs in her whispy falsetto.
Mariah WAS one of the best singers known to man during her prime, but her sacred-cow days are long gone. It's ok to recognize that. Time to let the newer generations shine.
So hostile for no reason whatsoever.
@@edwinjlr1345 if you don’t know her, probably shouldn’t hold your ignorant opinion with high regard as it could be wrong. “She was the best” blah blah it’s so transparent at this point. The new girls have all the room in the world to shine but they ain’t touching the legends.
I agree 100% about the kpop singers. They really aren't vocalists, and people overhype them to no end. They're not great.
@@musicboxtourmsg This is a video of unpopular opinions, not facts or circle-jerks. If you disagree, move along or state your opinion as to why you disagree. My opinion is my opinion, and your opinion is your opinion. I don't get how I'm ignorant for pointing out an obvious observation that a lot of people can see with the records she has put out past the 2000s, specially nowadays-Mariah.
We're talking about 2021, not the 90s.
How am I wrong in saying "she was the best"? Are you saying is low-hanging fruit? I mean, but it's still true, or is it not? Mariah has been singing for over 30 YEARS! Yes, she's a legend and her music will continue to inspire thousands of singers for years, and touch millions of souls every single day, but her prime days are over. She established herself as one of the best singers of our time, but there's not much she can do now if we compare her to her legendary times.
I never once demeaned her or reduced her to nothing. I simply stated that her current voice would sound amazing in jazz music because she could showcase her robust lower range that she used to display in the 90s. She has acquired more warmth, weight and huskiness that could be perfect for jazz, but instead, she goes for the higher a/o falsetto ranges, which is also true if we listen to the last few albums she has released. If we compare her newer material to her 90s vocal arrangements, we can also hear the lack of lower-register singing in that she used to explode during her prime-days that set her apart even more from her contemporaries. You could say that her lower-register is "barely used" in her songs, unless you count the background singing, the melody adlibs, or the vocal layering; regardless, it's under-utilized, which is a shame because her lower register is almost unmatched.
I hope this provided a clear explanation.
don't agree with some of them but still loved the video, love hearing different opinions, that is how it should be.
I don’t think there’s a “best” singer out there.
yup! it’s all personal taste really
Clearly you havent heard my rendition of happy birthday
Well nobody cares what you think. 💀 Yt folks always trying ALM something.
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 that aint got anything to do with this. As black ppl, we stay talkin bout "Mariah vs. Whitney". Having a favorite or thinking someone is the best is just an opinion. The fact lies in the statement that they are generationally talented vocalists.
I like how Mariah pushes her limit when recording without caring about whether she can do it live. It's about creating art. Had she played it safe, we wouldn't have had the chance to hear so many crazy songs with almost impossible difficulty! Heavenly, for example :)
She expands her range when it come to studio
I think the standard is higher on female singers than on male singers. That's for sure.
Yeah cause usually females have a wider vocal range and idk what else tbh, but you're right dude
They don't have a wider range. Men can reach lower octaves with way more ease than women.
@@xpedrox23 On the other hand women can reach higher octaves
But that does not mean that women have a wider range. Only that they can reach higher notes.
Katy Perry is really underrated. Her performances on Idol and her recent performances the one where she was pregnant and those acoustic ones in her bathroom show how good she is. Would be interesting for you to do the riff and run analysis on underrated male singers like T-Pain. He did amazing on The Masked Singer
What people forget is that Mariah still sings most of her songs in the same key as in her prime. Most singers change up their set list as they get older. Mariah doesn’t do that
You need to listen to MAMAMOO!! The best vocals from a kpop girl group PERIODT (imo)!!! Also agree with your opinion about ITZY! they really do be one of the FEW kpop groups with their mics on
He's in love w wheein LMAOOOOOOO but yes, mamamoo is AMAZING! my favorite personally is solar
I mean, quite literally lol, you know me well!
GOOOOD MORNIIIIIIINNG FAAAAAMM!! i was thinking on a "what about male singers?" video. Where do their voices fall in the music industry? Why male artists are not often valued by their voices on the mainstream? Wich are the best ones? And so on. Really loooooove your channel and hope the best for you fam :)
THANK YOU!! Leona absolutely has impressive agility but she doesn't show it off. She's very conservative with it and I love that. She exudes femininity and elegance even in her singing!!
She’s so feminine and just iconic!
Katy Perry is so good. Amazing tone, great belting, nice upper register, decent agility, decent lows, very underrated musicality live. She’s definitely leagues above her peers in pop (taylor. halsey, selena etc…) imo she’s not that far off from ariana, demi and gaga. She’s more on their league than she is at the halsey, taylor league. She’s kind of in the middle with the potential to really develop her voice to it’s fullest. She’s been gettin better since 2017, can’t wait to see what she sounds like when she’s 40.
wait wait wait…katys voice is decent, especially her belts and she improved a lot in her higher register. Definitely better than taylor who is not even a vocalist and halsey. But her voice is not as developed as ariana demi and gaga who are considered the vocalists of the generation
Saying katy being better than ariana and gaga is a bit over, I love katy though
@@akihiko29407 never said she was better at all, I said she’s more in their league vocally than she is close to selena’s , halsey’s and taylor’s.
@@carllangenscheid i know, i said that katy is closed to lady gaga than taylor vocally which is true, gaga is obviously the better vocalist but katy ain’t all that far behind
Why doesnt kelly clarkson get the respect she deserves???? Shes ALWAYS CONSISTENT and her voice is getting better with age...she has power, tasteful vocal runs, amazing technique and very emotive...Shes on the top of my list!!!
I really agree with male vocalists one, believe; it is hard to find a good male vocalist in pop. But hey, thank to god, we have the sm vocalists
What’s sm?
They exist. They just don’t get much mainstream American attention. For some reason people don’t necessarily care for the talented ones. Travis Garland and James Maslow should’ve been the big pop boys of the 2010s with their voices, but for some reason mediocre singing is like a prerequisite for male vocalists in pop.
I’d suggest Spencer Sutherland, Stan Walker, and Leroy Sanchez. All of those guys are excellent pop vocalists.
@@RamandeepKaur-fe8zc it is a kpop company :) , they have alots of groups and their groups are known for having really solid vocal lines :)
Esp for males they have litterally the best male vocalists in kpop such as kuyhyun suju 1st main vocalist ( supports Bb2/B2-B4/C5(D5/Eb5 in the studion )-F5/F#5) , chen exo 1st main vocalist ( supports A2/Bb2-A4 ) , changbin , beakhyun , D.O , ..etc
Loved this video, I agreed with almost everything. Sadly, this will go the way every single post about vocals goes, Mariah, Mariah, Mariah. It’s gotten so old. Her fans can’t not post hundreds of times about how she’s the greatest, no one compares, blah blah blah. I love me some Mariah, but her fans… not so much.
They are crazy..All over the page, crying and abusing everybody that disagrees with their shit
@@odumosuolusegun2781 always, and it’s not just this page, it’s every page. Incredibly annoying
Glad you included Demi's performance with JoJo, I also thought she sounded really good there, coming from someone who doesn't really watch many of Demi's live performances
Demi’s pronouns are they babe
@@user-bj7em4fv1p She's a female and presents as a female, so why would I use different pronouns to refer to her? If she said her pronouns were dog/cat would you be calling her dog/cat? Actual question
@@bre_me I don’t know what to reply to you because what you said was extremely stupid. Those two things have nothing in common
Beyoncé is the best technician vocalist to hit mainstream music!!
Yup, her and Aretha! Black excellence. 💅🏿
Mariah will always be my favorite out of the vocal trinity, but yes, Whitney IS phenomenal at belting *cries in whistle register*
Whistle are overrated anyways
14:35 completly agree with that and specially from 1997 to 2014, like... she recorded an A5 belt in a song, at 44, even tho she never did that live on her prime, like, I also feel that being so extrict with her vocals on the studio also makes her voice to get tired.
Definitely. That's why her 2004 voice didn't last longer after she recorded Emancipation.
@@PatchesNjose I also think so
I def agree about Whitney being the best belter out of the trinity.
Whitney was just better live than the other two in general (live atleast especially in the 80s). Anyone with true understanding of vocal pedagogy will tell you that.
Mid- belter probably
@@vocalslover2131 She's hit more supported live G5's in her career than both ?
@@mrvocal21 Who ? If You talk about Mariah, neither Celine nor whitney have ever hit a G5 resonant with tonal quality like Mariah, compares quality over quantity, or phrasing F#5 like Mariah, not even close. Mariah has more supported and resonant upperbelts than both for sure in her prime. Celine's upper belts are literally non-existent, even the iconic final sustained F5 in All by myself is strained as hell even in studio. Whitney loses her great power, her voice became thinner and shrill and her resonance is non-existent in upperbelts. She's an eccellent midbelter despite having a poor technique with a lot of tension she's really gifted for midbelts exactly like for her beautiful headvoice. Mariah displayed overall the most impressive and complex vocals in her prime both live and in studio. I stan the late Whitney Houston but facts are facts. Whitney was an incredible performer born to sing but not the best vocalist. A lot of Nippians speak of "inconsistency" by inventing excuses for not accepting reality, I definitely don't belong to that league.
@@mrvocal21 Exactly. Celine is definitely 2nd even though I prefer Mariah’s voice, she wasn’t consistent in live setting.
I know it's controversial, but I agree about Tori's riffs and runs. I honestly don't think there's any Mariah run that Tori couldn't do (in my opinion, from what I've heard), and Tori's creativity and musicality is excellent, like Mariah's! Both incredible riffers 🔥
@K J We’re comparing vocal agility, not singer’s overall. Please don’t be quick to be defensive.
Tori couldn't do the Vanishing run. Ever
@K J Toxic lamb alert
She can't do appoggiatura like in Vanishing, not even trills nor in chest voice, let alone in whistle register where Mariah can perform even STACCATO, impossible for anyone, she can't do the run in falsetto that Mariah did in 2013 in the Surprise performance for fans, just a few examples, agility are also octave jump and transition, she's not even close. Mariah can do everything Tory can do and more.
lol haha
I thought we all know that Perrie is the best vocalist in Little mix cause as far as I know she's the only one to produce resonance consistently in both mixed voice and headvoice.
About Mariah and Tori. I don't know in what aspect one is called better at run&riff but Tori excels run&riff somewhat more complicated but the way Mariah applies to her music/ melody is amazing and unparalleled so I'm not so sure about this.
People still try to downplay perries talent. There is even people that say she’s now the third best vocalist in the group
@@sierrastar5155 even she has problem with keeping consistent support/ resonance on C5s, her headvoice and low still slay the entire group let alone her resonance in mixed voice which Jade and Leigh-Ann have never showcased before.
@@nhattantrantruong8903 I think when we state Perrie is the best vocalist a lot of people make it out like we are saying she’s perfect. Ofc she struggles with certain things just like everyone but it doesn’t change the fact she’s still the superior vocalist.
@@sierrastar5155 right??? Not loving her voice is one thing, but saying she’s third best in the group is just full on delusion. I’m sorry, but most of the people here aren’t being realistic and instead are basing their opinions on their personal bias
The girls themselves have said it. They even go into detail on how they can’t hit her notes😭
Overall agility I still think goes to Mariah although Tori is a fantastic competitor. Tori has not consistently displayed she can do as precise and fantastic transitions like Mariah can do within a millisecond. Tori hasn’t even surpassed some of Celine’s runs so let’s not exaggerate.
I feel like Mariah is better because they are precise and complex and she can do those type of runs and riffs for a while
Mariah is better due to speed and musicality
@@leafyyy813 Yep. Mariah, at least in her prime, will always be the most agile singer in pop music in terms of speed, vocal transitions, and musicality ALTOGETHER. You can't leave one skill out. Plus she has consistently produced some of the most inventive and complex riffs in pop music; for instance, the Lead the Way riff.
@@badbada3003 speed? No, but musicality? Yes. Tori’s runs are way faster than Mariah’s, but Mariah does more with her runs. She has more creativity in that department, but in terms of speed, Tori beats her
@@josivantorres2218 no Mariah has done 11 notes in 0.7 sec she covers shorter amount of time than Tori
Wow...I am impressed that you said some of the things that you said. Must have taken alot of courage and I agree everything you said. Great video 👏🏿👏🏿
• How is it not a popular opinion that Perrie is the best vocalist? She undoubtedly is! No one is saying the others are bad vocalists. They are capable vocalists but she is surely the best vocalist in the group.
• Honestly, Mariah is better when it comes to vocal agility. Tori's riffs and runs are excellent however people tend to forget that vocal agility encompasses many things. Mariah's transitions, vocal switches & utilization of multiple textures with her vocal agility (and in such a short amount of time) are essentially unparalleled in mainstream music. Tori is not there yet. She undoubtedly has the potential to get there.
• Ariana's lows are pleasant to the ears even though they are not her forte. I can just imagine how great they would sound when she develops it.
• People not thinking that Chloe wasn't lip-synching is reminiscent of people thinking that Beyonce doesn't lip-sync at all whilst performing.
• Kelly Clarkson's middle name is *consistency* plus she has been putting out great music over the years. Her technique is solid!
• THANK YOU! Leona's vocal agility is sublime and overall she is an underrated vocalist.
• All vocal sisters in the vocal Trinity have wonderful resonance but yep, that captivating resonance coupled with the power in her belts are something else.
Yep, Celine doesn't have the technique in the upper belts (her mix is impressive though) that the other two have and even though Mariah has the technique to soar with her upper belts, she doesn't have the stamina & consistency that her vocal sisters have.
• With Demi's riffs & runs, less is definitely more.
• I don't know them but oh wOw 8:51 they are obviously very uncomfortable and their introverted voices display that, these labels really treat a lot of artists like pawns.
• 13:25 I don't know them either but considering that their mics stay on, they should be much more renowned than those who are put forward as the faces of KPop today.
• I keep wondering what performance of Katy's went viral during her debut for
• I think most find it hard to associate Mariah with "studio singer" because most of those who tend to be studio singers are subpar live. On the other hand, Mariah has many excellent vocals live but consistency has been a frenemy of hers for quite awhile. She's obviously much more comfortable in the studio.
• Christina's vocal agility is so effortless & so soulful. I love how versatile she can be with her vocal agility.
• Just like it started, how is this opinion not popular (low-key fact 😅 jk, but really). The mainstream male vocalists are not even giving the mainstream female vocalists a battle, it's like they aren't even trying yet they are outstreaming the female vocalists. 😞
Edit: The Adelecalypse is here, hopefully it gives the females a boost in streaming.
Ariana's lows are develope, I don't see any female belter with her ease having better lows (on today's industry)
@@joanquintero4670 Amber Riley is right there with her.
Could it be more developed, yes...& that's my point
Edit: actually, Amber's lows are slightly better.
@@joanquintero4670 One word Faouzia
@@doodlebug4947 I was thinking of her but even though her belts are technically great she doesn't have the ease up there that Ariana does because her voice sits lower. I think that was @MerryChristmasEra's point; Ariana being a Soprano with a high tessitura.
That's why I mentioned Amber.
@@doodlebug4947 she's not a soprano and neither see her belting 4 Bb5's in 5 seconds 🤨
(About perrie) pretty sure leigh, jade and jesy said something along the lines before. they know perrie is their best vocalist. little mix has always focused on giving equal attention to all members which I LOVE but that might be the reason why the fandom is like that I guess
Definitely, Kelly is the voice of pop music nowadays.
Have to agree with twice.. sad but true. And also I don’t feel like they represent or stand for anything. They seem like the industry plant for kpop imo. Maybe next comeback.
Thank you for Kelly's praise! This incrediable woman is soooooo underated and underappreciated)) Kelly can sing everything) jazz, Rock, pop, folk,gospel, country! Her range, rich powerful tone, agility, songwriting brilliance)) And she is one of a few singers, who doesn't use controvercy, scandals, tricks and gimmicks, explicit dance routines to sell her albums and singles! Just pure sheer Vocal talent and charisma)) Also Whitney is a Beast)) the most powerful voice of all! Forever the Queen♥️🙌🏻
I honestly don't mind ppl thinking Tori has better agility than Mariah, because to an extent it is true. the difference is, that is Tori's main thing abt her voice. she incorporates runs on a very consistent basis. Meanwhile, it's a flex for Mariah that it's not even her main thing abt her voice, because she can basically do anything. agility is just one of many great vocal abilities that she has. imho, the main thing abt her voice or what she showcases more often is her wide vocal range (low notes and whistle register), and her amazing phrasing of upper belts.
Agility are a lot of other things : trills, appoggiatura, staccato, octave jump, transitions... Mariah can also do these things in whistle register and she is the only one. Her agility is unparalleled in mainstream music. Tori is not even close. And even in runs alone Mariah is better and faster the difference is the musicality, the perfect placement which makes runs go unnoticed and the fact that Mariah uses legato. Agree on the rest
@@honestperson3042 lmao we get it, you're die hard fan.
@@balistoymarlonjade7642 To say Mariah is the onlynone is deluded. People have been whistling before and her whistling after her. Betty Wright, Cheryl Lynn, Minnie, Ym Sumac and many more and with real agility with their mics on...Not studio ones
this is incorrect. mariah isn’t a flex, underneath the stars, my all. it’s for the lyrics and story. and yes mariah was pushed to do her best. but her storytelling and vocal transitions in her runs. literally underneath the stars at tokyo dome. you ppl need to do research before speaking
14:11 I know the interview you’re talking about. It was while she was promoting Rainbow and talking about how she needs days of vocal rest at a time while on tour
Blackpink stability as a vocal group is underrated, their main rapper can sing pretty cool too
YES
I think more people keep undermining them because of "pretty gg" stereotype that's built around them
Even though they're all SUPER TALENTED
@@jk_ilyu true
They are 🔥
Yeah with loud backtrack lmao
@@moonlightbae2812 not once speaking ☠️
Mariah still has better agility. It's like... Kelly is AMAZING, but Mariah is freaking CRAZY
in the whistle register alone .. i don’t think he’s seen this
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@@SunnyMidnightxX yep
It’s just not true that Mariah didn’t do justice to her songs in the 90s-early 00s. Today? Sure. But she often took her songs to new heights live in her prime years, sometimes making them more difficult. And to make a comment about het stamina just exhibits your own faulty vocal knowledge - Legase Singing speaks to why her stamina was freakishly good.
I think the person who made this is not a vocal coach because his knowledge is clearly lacking. Not fair to compare him to experts like Legase.
Lol, true.
Well said
FACTS ! And that guy is amazing
I think the difference between Twice and Itzy is that Twice was made from a survival show (i know some members are trained even before participating). Also, JYP Entertainment overwork Twice so much that there's no room for them to rest nor improving the vocals so...
All twice members trained before participating they were all jyp trainees
Perrie has always been my FAVOURITE member of Little Mix, since the very beginning.❤️ so that isn’t an insult to me. I LOVE Mariah and Tori for their vocal abilities!❤️ as for the trinity, Whitney is my FAVOURITE!❤️❤️❤️❤️ (No Beyonce again!😭😢😭😢😭) l hope she’s in the next video.😢☺️
Lately you’ve been so consistent- for instance, you found a new concept, make series of it then u sadly took a pause nevertheless you’ve found an alternative to entertain us.
Cool video. I kinda want to know your honest opinion on Faouzia being one of the best vocalists of this generation.
i still think mariah has better vocal agility …
For part 2:
-Beyoncé is not just a "performer", she is an amazing singer in every register.
-Bruno Mars is the best male vocalist in the industry
Celine Dion is the most consistent in the VT, and she is kinda underrated.
Facts 💯
Mariah it's the best singer in VT! And leigh anne it's just as good as perrie when comes to belt! Mariah still better then 90% of the musical industry currently
@@Gui-mt2wu He said consistent vocals and Mariah pretty obviously had the least consistent.
@@audreyf9092 no, it's my suggestions for the video!
Bruno Mars is the best in WHAT industry???
Oh man TWICE is 🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾. This is a great video cause I have alot of unpopular opinions. Definitely agree that Whitney in her prime was the best belter. The male singers need to get their stuff together. Its so crazy cause back in the day we had Elton John, Luther Vandross, Barry Manilow, Freddy Mercury, Stevie Wonder etc. Now most of the male singers I see that are vocally great are either broadway style or RnB. I haven't seen one in pop music that knocks me off my feet lately. Some of my unpopular opinions would be as far as technique Beyonce probably has the best out of the singers of today. As far as vocal divas; in my opinion none of the singers out here today (mainstream) are on that level of diva status. I feel like the vocal trinity set the bar high when it comes to pop vocal divas. I think the last vocal divas came out around the 2000s (example: Beyonce, Jill Scott, Christina Aguilera, Ledisi, Jennifer Hudson, Jessie J, Jazmine Sullivan). I will give props to Shelea Frazier and Morissette. They have potential. Again great video.
Twice had like 4 bad performance and yall hating them for years grow tf up
@@moonlightbae2812 don't get mad at me. I never heard of him.
@@NIJEECAPRICORN23 them* but ok
It’s weird cause Twice used to be really good live vocalists, but i think the constant degrading of their vocals, has brought confident issues which means that they’re not the best. Ive been taught that your mental state and confidence can contribute to how you sound. Can someone correct me if I’m wrong Thank you have a nice
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Its true. Ur confidence and ur mental state actually affects ur singing a lot hence why the first 3 shows of a tour are the “worst” because they are just getting used to performing in big crowds after 3-4 months of rehearsals and practicing
and the overworking from JYPE
Let me ask you,if hater says you cant sing...what would you do???? Degrading your vocal or show them that you can sing??? If you show them that you can sing,then what can hater say??? They cant say anything.... But what twice members did just show that they cant sing,its not about the confident...but its about on having a good vocal as a singer..
@@anpanmlbb let me tell u something, u should stop expecting everyone to do the same thing when they got bashed from haters, yeah some r brave to fight against the hate and that’s because they’re confident about themselves but some r not confident enough to fight back and that makes them even more anxious as everyone keeps on expecting them to be perfect in every single aspect when they’re just humans, Twice can sing but its a matter of whether they r confident enough to produce great vocal or not. Like confidence might not have any connection to vocal technique but without confidence, any singer out there would have felt more anxious about their vocal just like Twice. Like ur words r not making anything better and the moment u said ‘Twice cant sing’, u already proved urself how ignorant u r to expect everyone in the world to act and do the same thing that some people might do.
Ps. Im not good at english so i might misunderstood ur words so im going to apologize beforehand just in case i said something offensive in my comment
Twice do sing live, especially on their earlier years. However, after multiple fails and then them being attacked by like, every fandom ever, their confidence deteriorated. The lowest point being the I Can't Stop Me era which came after the More & More era, which had the infamous Momo and Tzuyu encores.
Just try watching these encores before the infamous incident.
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You can here everyone sing during the Fancy Era.
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You can clearly see them enjoying encore stages during DTNA era. And era's before that. They even sing live on radio shows without bacning vocals. Now the stage you showed was ICSM. That was after the period wherein they were bashed so much, they became frightened of encore stages because they know every mistake will be pinpointed (which is so unfair considering some groups don't even sing live on their encore). Momo, especially, was so bashed to the point where she hides from the camera during encore stages.
I know Twice are not the best vocalists but their concerts show that they can sing.
They are like Mariah where when on live TV, performances are not the best after years of being on the receiving end of hatred. However, when on concerts and tour, wherein they know their true fans are the ones watching, they are at their best state.
I'm not comparing Mariah's vocals to Twice's, just their confidence.
Your opinion about their encore stages is not unpopular, especially now (I mean most encore stages are meh now) but the reasons you gave to justify them are the one that are false. Research more before saying things like they didn't practice too much etc etc. I'm not saying their voices doesn't need work but it's not the main problem, it's their confidence. Watch concert videos!
Of course no one believes they are singing live on ICSM stage you've shown. We know when they are singing live and when they are not, duh.
Again, watch other, especially older videos. Ughh, this is the only time I disagreed on your opinion. And I fucking hate it. The basis on this one was really shallow and not well-read into. Smh.
Just compare.
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I mean look at Momo at the back.
I agree with all your points, specially with Twice and Katy.
0:16 THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT
SOME PEOPLE JUST NEED TO ACCEPT IT AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH IT
mariah riffs constantly. its unnoticeable because of how fast and matched with the band .
Kelly Clarkson is severely underrated. It's mind boggling to me. I would also want to mention Anastacia as an underrated singer, though she doesn't do strictly pop. But general question: Why is this entirely about women? It's so weird to me, but it feels like male pop vocalists are never under the same scrutiny as female vocalists.
Mariah has showed the most impressive and complex live vocals ever in mainstream music in her prime. Studio singer my ass haha . Litterally the best vocalist in mainstream music and I'm not even a big fan of her
Say it louder for the people in the back!😂
Tori is miles better than Mariah in terms of agility though 🤷🏻♂️
@@milesheizer698 she's not better not even in runs , and runs are only one part of the agility. Not even close
@@theshowmustgoon4287 urmm yes she is,,,, 😑
@@milesheizer698 she has never shown trills, appoggiatura , staccato, and Mariah's inhuman transitions. Not to mention that Mariah is agile even in whistle register. Not even close. She sang Vision of love except that her voice is not quite comparable but look at the difference between early 90s Mariah and her in melismatic style, not even close and she can't do the final appoggiatura not even like the studio let alone the more complex one that Mariah did live many times
yeah I agree, twice should be more professional in encores, nerves shouldn't get the best of them, no matter how much hate they get. And it's interesting with twice cuz they can do 3-4 hour concerts with hard choreos and live singing, but they can't seem to be able to sing an encore without shaking. It's sad, but they need to gain confidence. Also I don't know why they do hard choreos with hard songs if they can sing them live only once or twice, cuz they used to sing live all the time up until 2 years ago. But I also do think they practice their singing, they've definitely improved over the years, and when they sing live with backtrack they seem to do well, but then they do bad in encores. It's literally just a matter of confidence, and not giving hard parts to non vocally proficient members.
11:01 ROSÉ really said "haters my mic is on"
Mariah Runs and Riff are so unique its hard for anyone else to actually copy it, Tori Runs and Riff feels like runs and riffs. Musically i would give it to Mariah
1. I agree with Tori being in the same lane as Mariah in terms of agility coz honestly, the girl is fast af! It's just that Mariah has more dynamics in her voice than Tori coz of the different genres she made in her music.
2. Mariah is built for studio and she already said that in the past. She loves the process of making and writing songs more than actually performing them live.
3. Xtina should use more of her agility coz she never lost it, she just tends to oversing in her belts but honestly if she just pull her vocals back to just use short but intricate riffs or runs, she would sound better.
4. Xtina's natural tone in her belting sounds beautiful and healthier but she would lose her sound and identity if she pulled back to her natural sound without straining (coz I do think she just does it coz ppl recognize it as hers.) Say Something is a great example of her natural sweet and pleasant tone and she should've used that tone more the moment she showcased that in the whole song to reinvent her sound.
Blackpink is so talented!!!
You need to read up on melismatic singing because being quick is just a small part of it. Mariah was a virtuoso because she was quick, accurate, complex, and has unmatched musicality and technical prowess. She implemented tonal quality changes in milliseconds to match the melodies. Tori has great precision, but her musicality and skill do not compare to Carey’s.
i agree .tori is great but mariah is still considerably better
I agree that she just as good if not better at runs than Mariah. The things that you mentioned are subjective.
@@Roguenight863 Tori hasn’t displayed Mariah’s insane ability for transitions during melismatic runs so in all reality the only logical debate is that Tori’s voice can move just as fast as Mariah’s
Those are not subjective - they’re based in technique, which is able to be measured and assessed
@@Roguenight863 they are nowhere near subjective..vocal agility encompasses them all
30 + years later, and yet not a single video where Mariah or Celine or Whitney don’t appear -and yet people hate on them. Also notice how almost everyone in this video took inspiration from Mariah/ Celine or Whitney so y’all better respect this 3 legends (of course there are many more from the 70-90s btw) . -often imitated, never duplicated
I agree, Whitney Houston is the BEST belter! EVER! EVER!
8:25 TWICE is a very busy group, they probably take the encore stage less seriously as you can see they don't have much rest, Nayeon revealed in a video that she only has 2-5 hours to sleep. That day she had 3 hours to sleep which was 1am-4am. Can you imagine that?
In the next video you do can you mention abit about RED VELVET because right now people are confused between if they lip-sync or not. I also want to know abit about SOMI.
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I'm glad you mention Kelly Clarkson & Leona Lewis, especially KC whose techniques shouldn't be ranked inferior to Christina Aguilera's.
I may not agree with the Celine Dion part (of her lacking skills in the upper belts). I think her resonance & support in the upper register is great (her Diva Night show with Aretha Franklin is iconic). Nasal replacement is different from nasality. She's underrated a lot as well, with her piercing resonance, power (as a lyric soprano), agility (speed & complexity) & fluidity in head voice. Listen to more of her ballads & you will know how she's often underrated in those rankings.
I may not agree with Mariah Carey's one either. Listen to some of her mid-90s to 2000s runs & riffs, especially _Lead the Way_ if studios versions count (as you play Tori Kelly's MV here). That's another level.
(P.S. Please listen to her singing _We aren't making love anymore_ with Michael Bolton live in her 20; _Vanishing_ MSG 1993 live show as well, not the more popular SNL rehearsal one)
TK's clarity here actually reminds me of CD's runs. Fast, precise & crystal clear. MC's melismas are always in between her transition which could be airy. That's why her runs are often not "straight" with higher complexity. You have to slow down the clip to catch them up. If we only talk about clean, chesty inflection, Whitney Houston comes to my mind.
Beyoncé is also an expert in this department. I wanna know your thoughts on her.
Can we all come together and hold male singers at a higher standard when singing? I never see any videos about male singers vocal technique or anything of the sort and it’s sooo sad😭
@AJB3 Honestly same, for both parts. Like I am in LOVE with Ariana Grande, but I can’t sing her songs all the time. Male singers though, they don’t ever do anything that shows vocal skill, so how am I supposed to show off whatI can do with my voice???
BlackPink have always had good live vocals since debut 💓✨
i do think they were a little unprepared during the d4 era and that kinda gave them a bad rep, especially with those mr removed videos, but blackpink has always been under-valued in terms of vocals
Bc they always use loud backtrack lmao
@@moonlightbae2812 most of their encore was sang live. .... what? They do use pre record but what we're talking about here was their encore.
@@crazy.autumn yes sang live with loud backtrack lol
So glad someone finally said something about twice’s lipsyncing. been saying it for years, but everyone always attacks me despite the fact that i’m right
Twice had a strong vocal line, but sadly jyp dont really care about it. Twice had been given songs that are quite out of their range, so its hard for them to perform, especially while dancing. And also k-nets and basically all the people on the internet really just... yk break their confidence in singing. I do hope they will regain their confidence back and sing happily
im a big twice fan and i agree, but they are so much better in concerts with their fans and they clearly sing live