The Worst Fuel map EVER!!! Tuning link and Autotune Issues explained

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  • @mrnine295
    @mrnine295 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you!! Exactly the kind of thing I wanted to find out about auto tuning - especially the great insight at the end about how one needs to make sure the values are averaged out in an area and how the autotune doesn’t understand going into a decel.

  • @northwash
    @northwash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't comment often but this vid has been very helpful in me tuning my turbo snowmobile. This and few other vids have helped this novice learn a lot. Many thanks.

  • @noahloveridge3313
    @noahloveridge3313 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video, that's why it's important to get your dyno done at a reputable shop with an experienced operator. Thanks for the info Daniel.

  • @David10-4
    @David10-4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Learnt more off this vid than in various searches and most tuning "specific" vids. Thanks!

  • @ATVRIDER676
    @ATVRIDER676 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love your videos Mr Cuervo, always great information! Love the builds too! Great work keep it up!

  • @alexesposito4347
    @alexesposito4347 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this video,was really helpful for me and my friend to understand fundamentals and basics.

  • @Ta-sn6vc
    @Ta-sn6vc 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    As usual , great video , great share of experience, GOD BLESS U

  • @ianm432
    @ianm432 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is hilarious. I've been playing with automotive standalones for the last few years. A friend of mine has an iron 883 that I've convinced him to do a big bore and I've been trying to research what sort of afr's those "sophisticated" combustion chambers like. I think this "tuners" tune shows why there isn't a lot of information readily available hahaha. I appreciate your insight in this video on other's mistakes.

  • @manny1470
    @manny1470 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome info. I'm just getting into tuning a little with my pcv. I noticed some of the canned maps for my dyna had those weird + - jumps cell to cell that didn't look right to me and I know very little about tuning. I "smoothed" those out like you said.
    More videos on the PCV adjusting would be great.

  • @MB-tr5sz
    @MB-tr5sz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, really helpful information for where I’m at.

  • @gdubbsmotolife9713
    @gdubbsmotolife9713 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks 4 the video brother. I've been curious about how the Dynojet software works, thinking about going with a powervision for my Harley. This helps me a bunch. See you around - I'm in Eugene too.

  • @PacAnimal
    @PacAnimal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Getting a PowerCommander 5 and AutoTune for my bike right now. Can't get shit tuned during COVID Thanks for the tips on what to look out for.

  • @redlee3391
    @redlee3391 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. Thank you for all the ground you covered in a short time. Little bits of meat to snack on to get my mind stirring before I crack open my laptop

  • @notone4029
    @notone4029 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for Explaining and making this video.

  • @cwinsor3085
    @cwinsor3085 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always.

  • @JB_Fury
    @JB_Fury 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for explaining averaging !!! , changed my rich lean percentage to 5% to see why my 17 R6 was jumping from -20 to +20 at 3500 rpm at the 5% to 10 %. I know at 5% its going to tape like 20 commit changes. The issue i was having even before i got my ecu flashed was that the bike would start to jerking like a drop in loss of power feeling. Also i now disable auto tunes when i have a passage on the back, that really throws things off. also would too much downshifting cause auto tunes to act funny ?

  • @mikekosar6135
    @mikekosar6135 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info...thank you

  • @JayM84
    @JayM84 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's really helped, thanks a lot!

  • @robmason7433
    @robmason7433 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this!

  • @trailblogger
    @trailblogger 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video

  • @deon7743
    @deon7743 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this, I'm going to take use this on my Bike now 🙏I'm running Auto Tune so will average the cells

  • @lionman6110
    @lionman6110 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video especially for a novice like myself. What do you think of the ThunderMax ECM replacement module? Doing my homework to ready myself down the road on upgrading and tuning my 2018 Fat Bob....Cheers

  • @kanehoward7050
    @kanehoward7050 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "The bike is worthless if it's flooding at idle..." 😆 Unbelievable. Thanks for showing us this. That person was all over the place.

  • @rigourmortis
    @rigourmortis 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome...cheers 4 th info. Sure glad mine doesnt look like that 🖒

  • @TechAndMotorcycles
    @TechAndMotorcycles 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thx I really learned alot i know its just an over view but was helpful. You ever get that shop because you mentioned oregon/Washington and im in oregon

  • @freshconnekt
    @freshconnekt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In the lower cells (RPM and TP) ecu is running closed loop so the values in those cells do not matter as the ecu ignores the tables provided by the PCV.

    •  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you have an O2 sensor.....

  • @craiglasley4410
    @craiglasley4410 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Daniel could you please do a video solely for auto tune. What you suggest and how you would run it if it were your bike. Great video thanks for all the uploads and go fast parts

    • @MrCuervoRacing
      @MrCuervoRacing  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i will try and get that done
      '

    • @lillnemo1
      @lillnemo1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi! I m not a tuner, but getting my head around all them tech stuff and I believe first thing to do with PAIR equipped bikes is disable PAIR when using a dyno, especially if you re using autotune...

  • @robertholsopple9451
    @robertholsopple9451 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's a crazy map!

  • @swingdaddy2126
    @swingdaddy2126 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i have the power commander FC with a wideband O2 sensor and guage on my R6. it was a big learning cure but i just logged and adjusted cells based on A/F ratio when i would do runs with a netbook strapped to my back seat. took me about a year to figure it out. with that said i just about crapped myself when i saw this map. who ever made this map has a lot to learn.

    •  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How do you datalog the wideband?

    • @swingdaddy2126
      @swingdaddy2126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Are you asking how I physically wired it up? in the comment I left I did state I strapped a Netbook to the back seat.
      I used a serial to USB adapter and ran the signal wire to the adapter. then use what ever software you want to log you A/F ratio

    •  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@swingdaddy2126 ahh, ok, serial tu USB adapter.. Prolific? Wich software did you use? I am between Dinojet Auto tune or Wideband and datalog..

    • @swingdaddy2126
      @swingdaddy2126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ well if you have dynojet autotune then you should be able to log with that. pretty sure If I recall properly you can set a A/F target and it will tune each cell to hit that A/F but also log the changes.

  • @alexquadstunt
    @alexquadstunt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Mr Cuervo
    Would you be kind enough to make a video on the ignition timing values ​​for the PC5?
    Thank you very much your videos are great.

  • @NikkFlo
    @NikkFlo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am interested in learn how to tune my bike properly and am curious if you have any other vids for doing so? I have a build LTR450 with heavy head work(port/deck) high comp piston and web cam. I have the pc3 with auto and it runs super lean from idle to about 5k. The map was way off so i let her drink on the top rpms and it got rid of the sputter but i still need to raise the it 5k and under

  • @turbotyoma
    @turbotyoma 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tell me please how did you add or subtract fuel by one?

  • @cornelioesvanburen7311
    @cornelioesvanburen7311 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi. My Triumph Rlll got PCV and Autotune. Into each header I did fix a bun in order tuning each cylinder apart. Now the PCV mainscreen outlay doesn't allow me to trim separately each cylinder. Issue for me is now how to get the main PCV screen outlay installed for the individual fuel targeting and trims ! Tnx for any advice.

  • @sparkthego
    @sparkthego ปีที่แล้ว

    I knew there was something wrong with my tune, you coined it with "lotto numbers" and the abruptness problem I have with the bike. I will go ahead at try the "averaging" method that you suggested, and it was not autotune it was a dyno tune that the previous owner paid $600 for.

  • @mariotrujillo4695
    @mariotrujillo4695 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Heyman. Cuervo! Thanks for all your info and videos. I'm wondering if you can lead me to a good map for my 05 road king that has a screaming eagle 96 big bore kit with se 203 cams and se air cleaner.

  • @Renaissance_cycles
    @Renaissance_cycles 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey there! Thank you so much for this video. I have a 02 Gsxr 600 with Race air filter, full Yoshimura and Power Commander 3, which is running a map from dynojet for a full Yoshimura that kinda looks like that, I’ll over the place. You don’t happen to have a map that you could share or some values I’d be looking for would you ? TIA!

  • @tomsarlija2526
    @tomsarlija2526 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi I noticed that you highlighted table sections and were able to higher and lower number percentage all at once. How did you do that I've been trying to work that out and can't. Could you please tell me

  • @K0nst4nt1n96
    @K0nst4nt1n96 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any advice for ignition timing on a sv 1000 k4?

  • @mrgrouchyguy
    @mrgrouchyguy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why would a guy have "divice errors" flashing any idea and is there a way to fix this in you're opinion?

  • @boostedsaleen6146
    @boostedsaleen6146 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need a fuel map for my 09 raptor , its been bored and is now a 732 , uni air filter , no lid on stock air box with a HMF slip on pipe.

  • @K0nst4nt1n96
    @K0nst4nt1n96 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Generally the Map Pointer will jump between two or four cells and if there are huge differences the fueling will jump slower than the fuelling of the ecu so it will run like shit.
    The Autotune will correct when you shut the throttle as it laggs a bit so find out where you climb through the table in neutral and zero out the afr values or it will autocorrect down. The bike will shoot out some fuel in this dump zone which tells the autotune that its too rich and it will lean out the mixture. 23:40 onward

  • @matt3122
    @matt3122 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You mentioned getting bad trims when you decelerating. I want to autotune a 2014 CBR600RR. Should I pull the clutch while decelerating to so I do not have engine braking? Plus while autotuning should I drive the bike normally and just try to hit all throttle positions in all gears?

    • @kevinnoneya9095
      @kevinnoneya9095 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      this would be a fantastic question to answer where are you OP!!!?

  • @josephknapp24
    @josephknapp24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mabe the guy who set this up was trying to buy the bike so he was fucking with this guy who owned the bike ! That's how people are ! What a friend ! Tring to screw him out of the bike !

  • @Michael-vc6qc
    @Michael-vc6qc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your video is grist to my mill. I manually slightly change the results even of a dynamometer. A harmonic wave-like alignment of the values ​​in the matrix of gas position and speed ensures a harmonious and controllable power delivery. It may be true then that the absolute single peak value is not reached anymore, but due to the better driveability there are better lap times.

  • @moreclips805
    @moreclips805 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    “I call them lottery numbers” 😂

  • @matthewjames7394
    @matthewjames7394 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have any tunes for 2015 YFZ450r for a Barkers exhaust and and FCI intake?

  • @dariodipaola8445
    @dariodipaola8445 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude probably had the worlds largest fans blasting while the bike was idling... 60mph winds at 0mph. No wonder you need 250% more fuel at 0%0rpm

  • @xjinxix76
    @xjinxix76 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm buying a pc5 in a couple of days for my 2006 raptor 700r, is there any help you could give me about installing it and the mapping process? I'm a female and still learning. 🙂 I am running dmc force 4s dual exhaust. Everything else is stock. I do want to get a aftermarket air filter too.

  • @kylewilliamson6228
    @kylewilliamson6228 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is the quick key you were hitting to increase multiple cells at once?

  • @yogeshe7913
    @yogeshe7913 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey. Very informative video. Could you please help me with a good map for Ninja 1000sx 2020 with PC6

  • @filipprucnal
    @filipprucnal 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd love to see this fuel map in 3D. Absolutely ridiculous

  • @6gatornation
    @6gatornation 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had silber bench Flash mine in 2016 Road like crap when I got it back
    They wanted me to send it back to them I was thinking hell no sent it to Evo got their stage three and ran great
    Fixing to upgrade to the newer cam and injectors And go with the ws190

  • @farhangilani5323
    @farhangilani5323 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what is the best Map for some one who want best performance with voodoo slip on?

  • @michaelknox4799
    @michaelknox4799 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do I contact you for a tune ? I've tried auto tune on pc5 and haven't had any luck I actually fouled out my plug on a 2020 raptor 700

  • @rkstuntz5278
    @rkstuntz5278 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    how did you change al that fuel coloms in one time? (6:38 - 7:08 in the video)

  • @ruindzx6r
    @ruindzx6r 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the name of the lottery number map😂

  • @thomasmarchese2808
    @thomasmarchese2808 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So why do things like the power vision “auto tune” work well for some and stuff like this happens to others?

    • @MrCuervoRacing
      @MrCuervoRacing  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Programming and parameters. Every year and as new systems come out they get better, always bestbto have Human input

  • @Eastern_SA
    @Eastern_SA 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are percentages of change. So, what does the actual table value look like? What are the values of ignition at certain RPM & throttle %?

    • @MrCuervoRacing
      @MrCuervoRacing  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      that info is not displayed or available on this platform. you can watch injector duty cycle.

    • @tonydanzl
      @tonydanzl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what i liked about HDprotuner. You could program actual a/f ratio numbers.
      Thanks EPA for killing that tuner !

  • @FatimaHassan-fn1vk
    @FatimaHassan-fn1vk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why are there negative values at times of full throttle?Shouldnt we increase fuel rather than decreasing it?

    • @MrCuervoRacing
      @MrCuervoRacing  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sometimes at low rpm and the use of bigger injectors the maps will require negative numbers. Fuel delivery would be greater then stock due to injector sizing.

  • @ArmandoPerez-fb7jf
    @ArmandoPerez-fb7jf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello i would like to know if the msd blaster fi 2006 raptor 700 can be played with in a dyno to get more power out of it or i need another one that can be. thank you

  • @audiogarden21
    @audiogarden21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This scenario is kinda true of most aftermarket mods people make. Most have little to no clue what they're doing and should leave it to the professionals.

  • @dntBdum81
    @dntBdum81 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need a map for my bike its 2018 Raptor 700 i have the Barkers big 3 kit

  • @cadman9615
    @cadman9615 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid…very helpful. You can zero out 0% throttle past like 2k. Same for 80-100% under 5k…it’s not possible to actually b in that condition.
    I had a 2012 KAW Ninja 1000, that I had set up with a PC5, & O2 sensor, so instead of trying to adjust %fuel, you set the air/fuel ratio & let the ECU make the adjustments while you ride. Ideal air/fuel is like 12.7. I leaned it in the cruising range, & enriched it above 50% throttle & 5k RPM. Bike ran great. Was smooth. Fun bike to tune on.

  • @hot_top_1686
    @hot_top_1686 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just bought a 06 raptor it idle fine but when I hit the throttle it wants to die I put a new spark plug in and it was black would this video help me out

    • @plageran
      @plageran 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      black spark plugs, i think you're running rich.

  • @dustintowsend9302
    @dustintowsend9302 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I jus put a msd box on my 2011 700 raptor I put it on 2 its runnin fine to me is there anything i should check ??? 0 is stock has 1-3 power settings

    • @MrCuervoRacing
      @MrCuervoRacing  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the maps they come with are very limited, not even enough to support a single exhaust system and air lid off.

  • @KCadbyRacing
    @KCadbyRacing 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just because something says it's "automatic", that doesn't mean it's idiot proof (or lack of knowledge/experience proof). In the right hands automation can be great but in the wrong hands???
    I learned Dynojet Tuning Link over twelve years ago (on motorcycles) and I quickly figured out that the settings Dynojet recommended for each/every bike wasn't always right (and can be way off on modified engines)... Since I have also tuned many Stand Alone ECUs on bikes (which includes seeing hundreds of Data Logs) I can actually visualize what the "Fuel Flow" (and or 3-D view of that table) looks like = UGLY!!!

  • @BLRTUNING
    @BLRTUNING 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Each cell is making milliseconds of change not percentage...

  • @spdermnky
    @spdermnky 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's your thought on power commandor 5 auto afr. Example if I sent my Harley sportster at 13.4 then select auto tune. So it should maintain the computer should continuely adjust automatically.

  • @itemps
    @itemps 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can someone explain rich vs lean? And why richer when higher rpm? Thank you

    • @tomdickharryjane
      @tomdickharryjane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Easy: Rich, more fuel than needed. Lean less fuel than needed. Put another way rich too much fuel. Lean too little fuel.
      HARD: Too much and too little is based on the chemistry of fuel burning. What is burning? Exothermic reaction where oxygen is used to create a different chemical and heat gets released. The heat creates the pressure in the combustion chamber. The pressure does the work to make horsepower that moves the vehicle forward. How to release the most heat? Get just enough oxygen molecules combined with the vaporized gas molecules so in the end no oxygen or gas is left. Complete combustion. This is the stoichiometric ratio, 14.7. 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel. Higher than 14.7, too lean. Lower than 14.7 too rich. Hope this helps.

    • @itemps
      @itemps 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tomdickharryjane very informative! Thanks!

    • @tomdickharryjane
      @tomdickharryjane 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@itemps YW.
      Lots more information if you do some research. Good luck.

  • @marknato5569
    @marknato5569 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just ordered a monster shorty, I’m too far from anywhere to get a dyno tune. Can I buy a map off of you ?

    • @MrCuervoRacing
      @MrCuervoRacing  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      email all the info to sales@cuervo-racing.com

  • @5spd5thgen
    @5spd5thgen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im just here to say the name of the map is hilarious

  • @giovanniecolon9632
    @giovanniecolon9632 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do a vid on auto tune

  • @StreetCarCartel
    @StreetCarCartel 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    ? How can u say this is bad or good tune .if u not on the dyno running.? Seeing power gain or lack of power?

  • @meanstreak2549
    @meanstreak2549 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    17:42 Matt fucked map hahaha

  • @tomdickharryjane
    @tomdickharryjane 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    @9:29, you say this is fine at full throttle. IMHO, you cannot be sure. With as bad as the mapping is, you really don't know. It is plausible, based on the numbers. But as bad as much of the other mapping is, the full throttle may not be any good, either.

  • @mikefoster4105
    @mikefoster4105 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not familiar with this software but he could've hit the smooth button!!!... I've never tuned a bike but would have done a way way better job. Whoever tuned the bike should just give me his dyno lolololol

  • @trannguyenhuunghi7278
    @trannguyenhuunghi7278 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chưa biết gì hết là bị nắm tay chạy 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

  • @jesseburton400
    @jesseburton400 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    holy christ Windows XP. lol

    • @MrCuervoRacing
      @MrCuervoRacing  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cant even use internet anymore on it. It works great for the dyno and other softwares.

    • @KCadbyRacing
      @KCadbyRacing 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrCuervoRacing It won't work well with the newer Dynojet Power Core software(s).
      The computer I had that worked 100% fine with Win PEP 7 choked when I upgraded to Power Core 😜