Good video, but it is very obvious that you have a better handle on the power vision. Thundermax does actually auto tune air fuel while you ride, but you state that it does not. You can actually choose the % you want to allow the system to auto tune. You make it look like there is much more adjustment available on the power vision, but that is not true, they are very similar but just do it differently. Thundermax you move dots, power vision you put in numbers, Thundermax is actually easier. Power vision is based on old school systems with tables that Dyno tuners are comfortable using, so l fully understand why you would prefer that system. I always recommend customer take there bikes to a shop that is very proficient in the tuner they want.
Great explanation Johnny. There’s no replacement for a comprehensive Dyno Tune. Auto tunes do more harm than good in many cases. One power vision can be licensed for numerous bikes.
For thunder max. Map editing -> wrigt autotune -> ok done. It reads what its learned applies it and saves it unplug cable and go ride again. Repeat that a few times and your good. Changing idle rpm, go to module configuration-> base map satting-> pick your rpm and about 15 other things in there including speedometer settings. I have mine reading the same as gps now. Where before, factory stock it was 7mph faster than i was actually moving. I stopped watching there cause you didnt even attempted to learn how to tune with or use any features thundermax has.
Can you move the maps around with the thunder max or no cause at the end of the thunder max intro you’re saying you need the cord to go in and move your maps
I just did a stage 2 with a high flow air kit, S&S 551C cams, fuel moto 2-1-2 headers and S&S 4” Grand National mufflers. Had an FP3 on the bike V&H sent me a custom tune which run very good but it’s definitely running Rich. I’m torn between the power vision and the Thunder Max. Not looking to doing future engine mods for a while but would not discount a big bore kit down the road. Would power vision be able to grow with the bike / future mods
Using WinPV software, open +Airflow from the tree menu, and at the bottom of the list is VE tables for front and rear cylinder. Table allows for adjustment base on Throttle position% vs RPM
If just visiting for a bit might be okay. It will self adjust within certain parameters. But if moving you might need to get retuned. Good thing about Power Vision, you have 8 slots for tunes and can switch tunes in a matter of minutes if you have the screen.
@@Trav945 a better answer mabye,is that is was tuned so well that it didn't have that uneven thumping one day went by a traffic cop who yelled hey whats that a harley honda?.
For most people this is too technical and complicated. What we, common users want is the tuner company to give us a tune according to the specs of the bike and that’s it. Input the tune into the ECM and ride.
It would be impossible for the tuner company to have a tune for every combination, multiple years, motor size, etc. When you call or email asking for a tune based on your set up, they send you something close, but dyno tuning is the only way to get dialed in specifically for your build.
Right just like we do for diesel trucks… and yeah everyone’s truck has different cylinder specs cams custom stuff done and still can have a tuner see what’s going on with data logging and have new tunes emailed right to us and update the truck right on the side of road
After tuning as best we could with the ThunderMax, and after contacting ThunderMax for support to find out the heating issue, we changed the exhaust, injectors, intake seals, air cleaner, and still did not eliminate the rear overheating problem. It is unclear what was causing it, but ThunderMax support said according to recorded log, the motorcycle was running fine. After switching to Power Vision and tuning, the overheating issue on the rear pipe was eliminated.
We tune both, ThunderMax support is great. Anytime I need some help its not long before they respond. Dynojet lately is leave a voice mail and we'll call you back, then it turns into emailing back.
Good video, but it is very obvious that you have a better handle on the power vision.
Thundermax does actually auto tune air fuel while you ride, but you state that it does not. You can actually choose the % you want to allow the system to auto tune.
You make it look like there is much more adjustment available on the power vision, but that is not true, they are very similar but just do it differently. Thundermax you move dots, power vision you put in numbers, Thundermax is actually easier.
Power vision is based on old school systems with tables that Dyno tuners are comfortable using, so l fully understand why you would prefer that system.
I always recommend customer take there bikes to a shop that is very proficient in the tuner they want.
Amazing response .This is great information for us and our viewers. Thank you for the excellent explanation.
@@jcsperformance2778 being humble is a sign of integrity. Brovo jcsp!!
Great explanation Johnny. There’s no replacement for a comprehensive Dyno Tune. Auto tunes do more harm than good in many cases. One power vision can be licensed for numerous bikes.
How does auto tune do more harm than good?
For thunder max. Map editing -> wrigt autotune -> ok done. It reads what its learned applies it and saves it unplug cable and go ride again. Repeat that a few times and your good.
Changing idle rpm, go to module configuration-> base map satting-> pick your rpm and about 15 other things in there including speedometer settings. I have mine reading the same as gps now. Where before, factory stock it was 7mph faster than i was actually moving. I stopped watching there cause you didnt even attempted to learn how to tune with or use any features thundermax has.
Can you move the maps around with the thunder max or no cause at the end of the thunder max intro you’re saying you need the cord to go in and move your maps
I just did a stage 2 with a high flow air kit, S&S 551C cams, fuel moto 2-1-2 headers and S&S 4” Grand National mufflers. Had an FP3 on the bike V&H sent me a custom tune which run very good but it’s definitely running Rich.
I’m torn between the power vision and the Thunder Max. Not looking to doing future engine mods for a while but would not discount a big bore kit down the road. Would power vision be able to grow with the bike / future mods
Thanks for sharing this.
Love seeing the difference and the pros and cons
Cheers
Hello. Where can I set up my BREAKOUT 2018 at Vancouver WA. Thank you.
Did you use the narrow band o2 sensors on the powervision?
While dyno tuning we are monitoring AFRs with Wideband O2 sensors
How do you use the PV to dial in VE values?
Using WinPV software, open +Airflow from the tree menu, and at the bottom of the list is VE tables for front and rear cylinder. Table allows for adjustment base on Throttle position% vs RPM
This is not a fair comparison..
How does the Power Vision handle a 7500' elevation change? I live in New Mexico, but family is all in Kansas, so it's a factor I must consider.
If just visiting for a bit might be okay. It will self adjust within certain parameters. But if moving you might need to get retuned. Good thing about Power Vision, you have 8 slots for tunes and can switch tunes in a matter of minutes if you have the screen.
Did you guys tune the thundermax too or that was the auto tune only?
We never use auto tune
@@jcsperformance2778 A real comparison would be dyno tune both otherwise it’s not comparing apples to apples….
Great information
Thank you
my own experience with thundermax wasi felt im no longer riding a harley.but a thundermax cycle.
What do you mean by this?
@@Trav945 a better answer mabye,is that is was tuned so well that it didn't have that uneven thumping one day went by a traffic cop who yelled hey whats that a harley honda?.
GREAT info. ty
thanks for watching
For most people this is too technical and complicated. What we, common users want is the tuner company to give us a tune according to the specs of the bike and that’s it. Input the tune into the ECM and ride.
It would be impossible for the tuner company to have a tune for every combination, multiple years, motor size, etc. When you call or email asking for a tune based on your set up, they send you something close, but dyno tuning is the only way to get dialed in specifically for your build.
Right just like we do for diesel trucks… and yeah everyone’s truck has different cylinder specs cams custom stuff done and still can have a tuner see what’s going on with data logging and have new tunes emailed right to us and update the truck right on the side of road
What was the cause of the rear getting so hot
After tuning as best we could with the ThunderMax, and after contacting ThunderMax for support to find out the heating issue, we changed the exhaust, injectors, intake seals, air cleaner, and still did not eliminate the rear overheating problem. It is unclear what was causing it, but ThunderMax support said according to recorded log, the motorcycle was running fine. After switching to Power Vision and tuning, the overheating issue on the rear pipe was eliminated.
Damn good explanation, Thank you sir
We tune both, ThunderMax support is great. Anytime I need some help its not long before they respond. Dynojet lately is leave a voice mail and we'll call you back, then it turns into emailing back.
also the thunder max you need a old computer you can not use your apple or other new computer.
Thanks for sharing. I wasn't aware of the apple compatibility.
Thundermax runs on windows
Old computer?? A new computer is fine, as long as it has Windows
Auto tune no bueno