Oh, you are on the *good* stuff tonight. Lex is having the same dissonance as most listening - boppy music with anguished lyrics. Lead singer Ian Curtis died of suicide at just 23 - the "taste in my mouth" is a common symptom of oncoming epileptic fits, which he suffered terribly from. That, plus a mess of a love life (the subject of this song), plus pressures of sudden fame and general ongoing depression...
RIP Ian Curtis. The rest of the band went on to form New Order. Just want to mention, because I haven't seen it in the other comments, this was written as an answer song to Captain & Tennille's hit song "Love Will Keep Us Together."
@@jco207 If that's true, I genuinely never knew despite knowing that original song and listening to Joy Division for over forty years including owing this single.
@@normandavidtidiman9918 It is true considering that all the good music of the 80's was a direct backlash to the saccharin, vapid mass appeal, radio friendly songs that were being manufactured by big record labels
Love love LOVE this song! RIP Ian Curtis. On the eve of their first American tour Ian took his own life. There's no telling how big Joy Division would have gotten in the states if Ian hadn't ended his life. New Order was very popular here, so....
Absolutely, they would have been huge for sure. I don't want to even pretend to know what all could have been in Ian's head, but I'd imagine he would have been proud of that success, while also being equally terrified of it.
@@raffaojeda No, his girlfriend had the convulsions, thats where that song about "she lost control" comes from, he had anxiety and hung himself on the eve of his premiere in America.
He was in a bad place when the song was written, the band was becoming more successful but his marriage was breaking up and his epilepsy was getting worse. looking back at the lyrics of this and some of the other songs after his suicide the warning signs were there.
Love Will Tear us Apart, is one of the greatest songs ever written, the melodic bassline, the use of synths and Ian Curtis's tormented admissions about the failings of his own marriage. Written as almost a direct response to the the Captain and Tennille's "Love will keep us together, Ian Curtis was suffering from Epilepsy and was on POWERFUL seizure medications and was going through a divorce due to his affair with Belgium fan, Annik Honore, he was known for leaving alot of his soul in his lyrics and really delving into the pain and trauma he was feeling both from his condition and his own wants and desires (he was married at 19 and had a kid by 20) and was torn between his two lives, as a Rockstar and as a father/husband. This track wouldn't be released as a single until 2 months after his tragic suicide and really tells a bleak final message, a glimpse into his fragile mind and heart, its a wonderful song and a true gift to the world. Joy Division is one of the most important bands of all time and we lost them far FAR to soon. JD4E/4EJD
Singer/lyricist Ian Curtis died between the recording and release of this after struggling with depression and epilepsy. He definitely was not a happy dude. His bandmates went in to form New Order and facilitate the growth of a world renowned music scene in their hometown of Manchester, UK.
New Orders first album Movement is Joy Division unofficial third album musical wise. Their true first album was their second as New Order, Power, Corruption and Lies.
He committed suicide the day after filming the music video for Love Will Tear Us Apart. The door that opens at the start of the video has his name written on it which was filmed after his death
It always throws people when they realise that this band would become New Order when their lead singer took his life. They were such a special band, and they became another special band. One of those bands that broke the mould and made it anew in music. RIP Ian Curtis. P.S. they really need to bring back Hooky, because the band are not the same without his bass lines.
Joy Division was a little opposite of their name. Dark and a little depressive. Ian Curtis had a lot of epileptic seizures. He worked at a help line and watched a young girl having a seizure. Wrote the song She Lost Control. Pills and drinks didn't help his health. He left his wife and little daughter to be with belgian photographer Annik Honoré. Later he hung himself in his wife's kitchen and she came home and found him. Age 23. The rest of the band couldn't continue as Joy Division and started New Order with guitarist Bernard Sumner as vocalist. You should watch the movie Control made by photographer Anton Corbijn
Only opposite their name at face value, as the origin is very dark. They took their name from WWII "Joy Divisions", which was slang for the groups of women forced into sexual servitude in Nazi concentration camps.
He didn't work at a help line. He worked at an employment agency where he found job placements for people with disabilities. The woman who had the seizure was one of his clients.
@@iDEATH to make matters even more controversial for the band was the choice of 2nd name as New Order was a phrase also used by the German Nazi party to describe the 3rd Reich's vision of a European New Order under their rule. But it was just a coincidence as the name was chosen by Rob Gretton named after the Cambodian peoples uprising against the dictator Pol Pot he thought it would symbolise a new era for the band.
Their name comes from the brothel section of Auschwitz and other Nazi concentration camps. I suspect it was used ironically. Not meant to be taken literally.
Even more amazing is when you find out this was heavily influenced by the song Hero by Neu ! From years and years before, now that was a band that were light years ahead of everyone else.
Joy Division were heading into the stratosphere and are massively influential in the post punk scene. Interpol were heavily influenced by joy division and are one of the best bands from the 2000’s totally underrated.
@@IntoTheWhite04 Eh...not really my point...good or bad is moot. Also, being "reminiscent" is not the same as ripping the band off... Granted, their first LP was very similar to Interpol...but they've gone in a different direction since then. Both bands are reminiscent of JD in my opinion...and that's my point.
Oh yes!!!! Joy division, one of the most influential bands of all time. Definitively marked a scene from the 80´s. For the ones who doesnt know, NEW ORDER would not exist if there no joy division
@@MRPERFECT_79 maybe not ever but with no Joy Division there would be no U2, The Cure, Vampire Weekend, The Smiths, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails or The Killers. All those bands sited Joy Division as a major influence on their music. In 1980 Bono said Joy Division were the most influential band of the past 5 years. Maybe not quite the Beatles but not bad from a cult band from the North of England.
@@MRPERFECT_79 Joy Division is definitely the catalyst for post-punk and goth. Unknown Pleasures is a pivotal album in alternative music. I'm not crazy about Joy Division but they're a band i enjoy and appreciate for their influence and lasting impact
Joy division are dark and hard to digest but they grow on you. Unknown pleasures is one of the best albums of all time. Truly revolutionary and genius music, artistically speaking. The more you listen to them the better they sound. That’s genius.
I’m relating so much to Lex rn. I found a dog and took care of her until we found the owner. My daughter was mad at me for taking the dog in bc she knew that she would get attached to her and we would have to let her go. We had her for a month and it was sad when we took her back. Same thing with falling in love with someone and realizing it’s not working out bc you still love that person but might not like them anymore for whatever reason. I think you guys are getting new wave/alternative. Moody, dark lyrics/voice with an upbeat tempo and atmospheric keyboards
Post punk, new wave! Joy Division was a great band. RIP Ian Curtis. Lex is right on melancholy lol. Moods. Brad is kinda confused. He'll get it soon! New wave has multiple sub genres and moods. Closely related to each other.
Whether or not you know it; "I wouldn't want to feel like he sounds" is actually the perfect description of Joy Division's entire sound. For another "So sad it's beautiful" love song (albeit definitely not New Wave) try "Love Hurts" either done by Gram Parsons & Emmylou Harris from the 70's or the hit cover version by Nazareth also from the 70's. Both are great. Or the Walker Brothers "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore" from the 60's.
Damn, you guys are digging deeeeeeep into the classics. Ian Curtis was, IMHO, the greatest rock lyricist of all time. Fun fact, this song, ostensibly about his own, crumbling marriage, was intentionally written as a counterpoint to the song "Love Will Keep Us Together" by Captain and Tennille, which was a number one hit at the time.
My favourite song of all time. I was lucky, so lucky, to hear then play this live the first time I heard it. Such energy, such a fantastic melody, and such pain at the hurt you're causing someone else.
That pretty girl likes new wave, post-punk jaja. She always vibes to it on the other videos too! But, this band was under a darker subgenre its called dark wave, which is gothic new wave, its related. Like Clan of Xymox, Sisters of Mercy, Sioxsee and the Banshees, The Cure, Bauhaus, Echo and the Bunnymen, She Past Away. She would've loved the dance clubs we used to go in the '80s and '90s.
Watch the film "Control", about the formation of Joy Division and the end. This song is about his relationship with his wife. They got married young, had a kid, before the band took off. And then his life changes as Joy Division gets bigger. So he's got these 2 worlds tearing him apart. You'll understand this song when you've watched the film. Film was directed by someone who was close to Joy Division.
Joy Division are my favourite band. The juxtaposition between the happy upbeat music and the dark lyrics is what makes their music so so beautiful. Dead Souls is much more powerful and moving song you should do that.
Yeah but even at that, most of joy division isn’t even very upbeat musically, there definitely are a handful that are pretty upbeat but a lot of them are very grimy and low quality with the whole like, rundown storage unit recording feel
This song and other '80s post-punk gothic new wave rock songs were on the 2001 movie Donnie Darko ! Movie set in the late '80s. Weird, crazy cool movie. The other bands were Echo and the Bunnymen "The Killing Moon" , The Church "Under the Milky Way" , etc
At most of the dance clubs that I was legally able to enter in 1985 (18) this song always came on towards the end of the evening, and had me mesmerised, and I didn't know who the band were. A few years later I found out and have been hooked on all of Joy Division's music!
Adore Joy Division so much. Highly recommend watching the live performance of Transmission. You can really see that pain and passion come through their sound on that performance. Ian Curtis was incredible.
Thanks for finally doing this song. It almost made me cry! Can you hear the nascent sound of New Order in there? Ian Curtis the lead singer and founder of Joy Division was a complicated person. He was from a depressed mining area and got married and had kids young. He also suffered from severe epilepsy all his (short) life. He suffered from depression but back then that wasnt something that anyone had much sympathy for. So his music was angsty for lots of reasons. By the time this song started making Joy Division popular in the mainstream his marriage was strained and he'd started a relationship with a French journalist, with whom he had a child. This song is about that situation. The strain of everything eventually overwhelmed him and he committed suicide. It was his death that changed Joy Division to New Order (and why New Order's singing was always rubbish). Tragically, the French woman who he had the baby with and who was his partner in his last days also took her life later.
Pretty much accept Annik Honoré didn't commit suicide she died in the last decade of cancer. She also ran an offshoot of Factory records in Belgium. Ian had a daughter with his wife Deborah Curtis.
A pairing I recommend is Joy Division’s “New Dawn Fades” & Moby’s cover of the song. “Transmission” is one of my favorite songs by Joy Division, but I understand they can be kind of underwhelming-I often recommend to people first getting into them, the film 24 hour party people (the first half of the film mostly follows Joy Division and their involvement in the fledgling label the film centers around.)
This is the same group (minus Ian) that went on to do happy music like Blue Monday. I nominate Shadowplay and New Dawn Fades. Very dark songs but they spoke to a lot of misfit kids in our generation.
Wow what a brilliant night tonight. I was a night club DJ in the early 80s and this went well with Bring Boiled from the human league, Pale shelter from Depeche mode and making plans for nigel from XTC
Ian Curtis’s story is a particularly hard and unhappy one. He suffered from a very severe form of epilepsy that proved hard to control with medication. That contributed to bouts of depression. Towards the end he couldn’t even hold his newborn daughter the risk of having a seizure was so constant. Incredibly talented man, and band.
I had to laugh seeing your smiling faces at the start, knowing what you were in for. :) This song was effectively a suicide note, and an enduring description of a failed relationship. It's dark, and beautiful and amazing.
Joy Division is one of my all time favorites. And yes Ian Curtis was a very sad man. RIP. Check out Transmission. It's a favorite track. Please and thank you
The song "Love Will Keep Us Together" by Captain & Tennille came out a few years earlier, this is Joy divisions response. However, Ian Curtis, at the time of recording this song, was planning to die very soon.
Lovin your reaction vids. I just found you guys and it’s been my binge all week. New fan! Btw time for some Pixies, Replacement, Harvey Danger, Hoobastank.
Joy Division was amazing. the fact that Ian Curtis died at this moment brings so much weight to the sound. then there became New Order. So you have found the first Emo music. Welcome to the heart and joy and sadness of it all. New Order Substance is the soundtrack.
Joy Division is my favourite band of all time. Ian curtis was so tortured like all the greatest artist. He was stuck in a loveless marriage but couldn’t leave his family for the woman he loved and not to mention he had epilepsy and the pills he took for it.. he didn’t like the way they made him feel. Not to mention having fits on stage. He was self conscious of it. He hung himself in his home in England after his wife went out for the day. She came home and found him hanging. He’s a true poet. Joy division only released 3 albums in the previous 70s before he killed himself and truly this band has revolutionized music and influenced some of the best bands to come. The band later became New Order using old samples of Ian’s voice for some songs but it was never the same without him.
This made no.1 in New Zealand in 1981 on our singles charts, followed up by "Atmosphere" hitting no.1 as well. "Transmission" just missed out hitting no. 2. We had some excellent music hitting our charts here back in the day
@@jamesnolan4412 yeah mate,they toured New Zealand around August or September of 1982 - a great show in Auckland (which spawned the live " bootleg" album "Fall In A Hole"),and they'd already had a mainstream chart hit here with "Totally Wired" which got into the high 20s if memory serves correct. At the arse end of 1982 New Order hit New Zealand and had a brilliant show in Wellington, "Temptation" had only been released here,and even back then,was one of the highlights of the show.
its like hearing a ghostly voice in a dream. i dont know excatly why this song resonates with so many people......it just.......DOES! i truly don't know why.
Lex, after going through a divorce, let me say, no you don’t want to find the perfect moment for this song. Just that you can put yourself in someone else’s shoes is good enough.
Yeah, been there myself and it's horrible. I don't even know how to put it into words for someone that hasn't been through it, but I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemies.
@@ninja_tony I think I’ve used those exact same words. The only kind of comfort I had was knowing I wasn’t alone and that others had gone through something similar and had survived.
Yesterday's Live New Wave stream surprised me with the choices for the ballots. Surprised at what didn't make it onto the polls; *Psychedelic Furs__Flock of Seagulls__Missing persons__Berlin__Simple Minds__A-Ha__The Fixx__Tears For Fears__Joe Jackson__INXS__Dead or Alive__English Beat__Animotion__Kajagoogoo__Midnight Oil__ABC*
Joy Division was one of the most influential post punk - new wave bands. Just when they were rising and before a US tour their lead singer committed sooicide. The band regrouped, renamed themselves New Order and changed direction becoming one of the most influential proto house - proto techno bands.
A great night down memory lane. Love this genre of music. Man the 80s were amazing. Nemesis, from Sheirkback... it will BLOW your mind... you will look up the meaning of words after that song.
one of a few different bands whose lead singers took their own lives. See also BAD FINGER. great music. see the IAN CURTIS live performances and the movie made about him. Tragic and left us with some great music while spending time here. Keanu Reeves named this tune to pack for his music to take to a desert island. Look into Bad Finger. You'll be 70s lovin' it.
She loves the song a lot , like she likes all the New Wave songs , she is a 80s girl , she doesnt admit it but thats it . Great song , don't think to much about it ... you like it , you like it ...
Wow! Joy Division, too? Y'all on a roll. 🙂 New wave, post punk classic. Maybe more on the dark side (darkwave, goth). You hear their songs on movies and tv shows and alternative/college radio stations. Or at underground dance clubs. Their other good songs are "Transmission" , "Shadowplay", and "Disorder". Little more upbeat. They formed as New Order after singer died so young. Health issues and depression. More upbeat dance music with New Order.
I left a comment about JD on your Blue Monday video. I'd love to see more JD reactions from you two. Particularly the "Peel Sessions" versions of some of their songs. As well as songs such as New Dawn Fades, Disorder, Shadowplay, Digital, Transmission, Heart and Soul, Interzone, Komakino, Dead Souls, From Safety to Where, Isolation, Glass, Novelty, etc.
great band. The dissonance between lyrics and rhythm is a hallmark of this and the Goth Genre. Covenent's 'Tears in Rain' can get me to tears.. while dancing. You should REALLY check out the movie 24 Hour Party People that covers the Hacienda.. where Joy Division and many other bands started off (and includes JD, with a big section on them 'in' the recording studio). Great and important movie. Story time.. Ihad a mix tape (yes) in the cars tape player but ejected. I had a crash that ripped the axle off the car.. the impact inserted the tape and over the sound of scraping metal, all I could hear was 'Love... Love will tear us apart...again.'. All in accident slow-mo. It was surreal. lol. RIp Ian Curtis
I love the way you both love music. Brad kinda deep and thoughtful and Lex always with a beautiful smile enjoying the moment but she really gets the tunes most of the time.
Ian's struggles were very apparent in his song writing and of course his awesome dance moves. Though he is truly missed, we wouldn't have the wonderful tunes of New Order if he'd survived.
Oh, you are on the *good* stuff tonight. Lex is having the same dissonance as most listening - boppy music with anguished lyrics. Lead singer Ian Curtis died of suicide at just 23 - the "taste in my mouth" is a common symptom of oncoming epileptic fits, which he suffered terribly from. That, plus a mess of a love life (the subject of this song), plus pressures of sudden fame and general ongoing depression...
RIP Ian Curtis. The rest of the band went on to form New Order. Just want to mention, because I haven't seen it in the other comments, this was written as an answer song to Captain & Tennille's hit song "Love Will Keep Us Together."
Couldn't have said it better - RIP Ian Curtis
@@jco207 If that's true, I genuinely never knew despite knowing that original song and listening to Joy Division for over forty years including owing this single.
Yes, 'mess of a love life' meaning that he tried to keep 2 relationships going at the same time, openly. Unsurprisingly it didn't work.
@@normandavidtidiman9918 It is true considering that all the good music of the 80's was a direct backlash to the saccharin, vapid mass appeal, radio friendly songs that were being manufactured by big record labels
Love love LOVE this song! RIP Ian Curtis. On the eve of their first American tour Ian took his own life. There's no telling how big Joy Division would have gotten in the states if Ian hadn't ended his life. New Order was very popular here, so....
Absolutely, they would have been huge for sure. I don't want to even pretend to know what all could have been in Ian's head, but I'd imagine he would have been proud of that success, while also being equally terrified of it.
They turned in to New Order. They were pretty big!
He had terrible convultions that at some point he could not handle It
@@raffaojeda No, his girlfriend had the convulsions, thats where that song about "she lost control" comes from, he had anxiety and hung himself on the eve of his premiere in America.
HEY LEX do "She Lost Control" by Joy Division.
He was in a bad place when the song was written, the band was becoming more successful but his marriage was breaking up and his epilepsy was getting worse. looking back at the lyrics of this and some of the other songs after his suicide the warning signs were there.
Isolation can be a tough listen. More boppy music... but those lyrics. Damn. R.I.P. Ian x
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he had a paralysing case of stage fright and the idea of touring the USA was too much him. That def. contributed to his suicidal impulses.
If memory serves, he was also sleeping with a fan who didnt accept him in the end. He wrote some songs lamenting about some of this.
@@nightwalkerj Way off the mark.
"He doesn't sound happy."
Oh fuck. For those of us that know, this was a gut punch.
Yup
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He did a Kurt Cobain before it was hip
Oh ja
"When routine bites hard and ambitions are low." Great opening line.
Joy Division ... ATMOSPHERE. Genius over and over again.
Disorder is their best song
Love Atmosphere
@@heavymetal116 Defo Disorder
Atrocity Exhibition
No no. Song ended sweet. Just expression of what hurt and solved his knowledge of Love
Love Will Tear us Apart, is one of the greatest songs ever written, the melodic bassline, the use of synths and Ian Curtis's tormented admissions about the failings of his own marriage. Written as almost a direct response to the the Captain and Tennille's "Love will keep us together, Ian Curtis was suffering from Epilepsy and was on POWERFUL seizure medications and was going through a divorce due to his affair with Belgium fan, Annik Honore, he was known for leaving alot of his soul in his lyrics and really delving into the pain and trauma he was feeling both from his condition and his own wants and desires (he was married at 19 and had a kid by 20) and was torn between his two lives, as a Rockstar and as a father/husband. This track wouldn't be released as a single until 2 months after his tragic suicide and really tells a bleak final message, a glimpse into his fragile mind and heart, its a wonderful song and a true gift to the world. Joy Division is one of the most important bands of all time and we lost them far FAR to soon.
JD4E/4EJD
Singer/lyricist Ian Curtis died between the recording and release of this after struggling with depression and epilepsy. He definitely was not a happy dude. His bandmates went in to form New Order and facilitate the growth of a world renowned music scene in their hometown of Manchester, UK.
New Order was/is a great, brilliant band. Probably the most overlooked of the last 30 years…in America at least.
New Orders first album Movement is Joy Division unofficial third album musical wise. Their true first album was their second as New Order, Power, Corruption and Lies.
Ian Curtis lives!
He committed suicide the day after filming the music video for Love Will Tear Us Apart. The door that opens at the start of the video has his name written on it which was filmed after his death
RIP Ian Curtis. ❤ Joy Division: predecessor to New Order. New Order: my favorite. Still producing fantastic music that speaks to my insides.
It always throws people when they realise that this band would become New Order when their lead singer took his life. They were such a special band, and they became another special band. One of those bands that broke the mould and made it anew in music. RIP Ian Curtis. P.S. they really need to bring back Hooky, because the band are not the same without his bass lines.
Peter Hook has said many times that his idol is JJ Burnel! Man, does he have a long way to go.
Joy Division was a little opposite of their name. Dark and a little depressive. Ian Curtis had a lot of epileptic seizures. He worked at a help line and watched a young girl having a seizure. Wrote the song She Lost Control. Pills and drinks didn't help his health. He left his wife and little daughter to be with belgian photographer Annik Honoré. Later he hung himself in his wife's kitchen and she came home and found him. Age 23. The rest of the band couldn't continue as Joy Division and started New Order with guitarist Bernard Sumner as vocalist. You should watch the movie Control made by photographer Anton Corbijn
Only opposite their name at face value, as the origin is very dark. They took their name from WWII "Joy Divisions", which was slang for the groups of women forced into sexual servitude in Nazi concentration camps.
He didn't work at a help line. He worked at an employment agency where he found job placements for people with disabilities. The woman who had the seizure was one of his clients.
@@iDEATH to make matters even more controversial for the band was the choice of 2nd name as New Order was a phrase also used by the German Nazi party to describe the 3rd Reich's vision of a European New Order under their rule. But it was just a coincidence as the name was chosen by Rob Gretton named after the Cambodian peoples uprising against the dictator Pol Pot he thought it would symbolise a new era for the band.
Their name comes from the brothel section of Auschwitz and other Nazi concentration camps. I suspect it was used ironically. Not meant to be taken literally.
@@kimn9802 It's not a brothel. Women at brothels are employed. It was a rape camp.
You have to appreciate that this came out in 1980. It sounded totally different to the mainstream.
I remember this got to No1 in my country and all the other songs were Disco. People were so confused and a few of us were so so excited.
@TheDevilsJoint Nope.
Even more amazing is when you find out this was heavily influenced by the song Hero by Neu ! From years and years before, now that was a band that were light years ahead of everyone else.
Atmosphere by Joy Division will blow your socks off!
Love that song
Joy Division forever.
The most depressing song in the history of depressing songs.
Disorder is the best song of Joy Division
Very sad music.
Brad: "I don't wanna feel like he sounds"
😂😂 LMFAO! Classic Brad!!
Joy Division were heading into the stratosphere and are massively influential in the post punk scene. Interpol were heavily influenced by joy division and are one of the best bands from the 2000’s totally underrated.
Interpol was also and maybe moreso by The Chameleons
I think the Editors are also reminiscent of JD.
Joy Division's influence is felt all over the place.
@@ticosandoval editors ripped off Interpol. They aren't good enough to have ripped off JD
@@IntoTheWhite04 Eh...not really my point...good or bad is moot. Also, being "reminiscent" is not the same as ripping the band off... Granted, their first LP was very similar to Interpol...but they've gone in a different direction since then. Both bands are reminiscent of JD in my opinion...and that's my point.
Oh yes!!!! Joy division, one of the most influential bands of all time. Definitively marked a scene from the 80´s. For the ones who doesnt know, NEW ORDER would not exist if there no joy division
Never heard of them.
I like joy division but they are not even close to being one of the most influential bands ever lol
@@MRPERFECT_79 maybe not ever but with no Joy Division there would be no U2, The Cure, Vampire Weekend, The Smiths, Depeche Mode, Nine Inch Nails or The Killers. All those bands sited Joy Division as a major influence on their music. In 1980 Bono said Joy Division were the most influential band of the past 5 years. Maybe not quite the Beatles but not bad from a cult band from the North of England.
3 members of new order were also in joy Division, so this is literally the case
@@MRPERFECT_79 Joy Division is definitely the catalyst for post-punk and goth. Unknown Pleasures is a pivotal album in alternative music. I'm not crazy about Joy Division but they're a band i enjoy and appreciate for their influence and lasting impact
You guys should react to…
Joy Division - Transmission
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Joy division are dark and hard to digest but they grow on you. Unknown pleasures is one of the best albums of all time. Truly revolutionary and genius music, artistically speaking. The more you listen to them the better they sound. That’s genius.
The drums in this song are incredible. Stephen Morris is a machine
I’m relating so much to Lex rn. I found a dog and took care of her until we found the owner. My daughter was mad at me for taking the dog in bc she knew that she would get attached to her and we would have to let her go. We had her for a month and it was sad when we took her back. Same thing with falling in love with someone and realizing it’s not working out bc you still love that person but might not like them anymore for whatever reason. I think you guys are getting new wave/alternative. Moody, dark lyrics/voice with an upbeat tempo and atmospheric keyboards
Post punk, new wave! Joy Division was a great band. RIP Ian Curtis. Lex is right on melancholy lol. Moods. Brad is kinda confused. He'll get it soon! New wave has multiple sub genres and moods. Closely related to each other.
How I miss those days. Watching 120 Minutes and going out to buy tapes. Painting my nails black. 🤣
Whether or not you know it; "I wouldn't want to feel like he sounds" is actually the perfect description of Joy Division's entire sound. For another "So sad it's beautiful" love song (albeit definitely not New Wave) try "Love Hurts" either done by Gram Parsons & Emmylou Harris from the 70's or the hit cover version by Nazareth also from the 70's. Both are great. Or the Walker Brothers "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore" from the 60's.
One of my all time favorites
"I wouldn't want to feel like he sounds" Fucking amazing off-handed remark by Brad there.
Damn, you guys are digging deeeeeeep into the classics. Ian Curtis was, IMHO, the greatest rock lyricist of all time. Fun fact, this song, ostensibly about his own, crumbling marriage, was intentionally written as a counterpoint to the song "Love Will Keep Us Together" by Captain and Tennille, which was a number one hit at the time.
This song was cutting-edge at the time, and played a role in changing the sound of rock music going into the '80s.
My favourite song of all time. I was lucky, so lucky, to hear then play this live the first time I heard it. Such energy, such a fantastic melody, and such pain at the hurt you're causing someone else.
All time favorite song. This song (and the bass player) are the reason I learned to play bass.
That pretty girl likes new wave, post-punk jaja. She always vibes to it on the other videos too! But, this band was under a darker subgenre its called dark wave, which is gothic new wave, its related. Like Clan of Xymox, Sisters of Mercy, Sioxsee and the Banshees, The Cure, Bauhaus, Echo and the Bunnymen, She Past Away. She would've loved the dance clubs we used to go in the '80s and '90s.
Wow, you two are on a deep alternative dive!! And it is great!!
Watch the film "Control", about the formation of Joy Division and the end. This song is about his relationship with his wife. They got married young, had a kid, before the band took off. And then his life changes as Joy Division gets bigger. So he's got these 2 worlds tearing him apart. You'll understand this song when you've watched the film. Film was directed by someone who was close to Joy Division.
Also, have a listen to Joy Division's "Atmosphere".
Joy Division are my favourite band. The juxtaposition between the happy upbeat music and the dark lyrics is what makes their music so so beautiful.
Dead Souls is much more powerful and moving song you should do that.
Yeah but even at that, most of joy division isn’t even very upbeat musically, there definitely are a handful that are pretty upbeat but a lot of them are very grimy and low quality with the whole like, rundown storage unit recording feel
It's dark, but you can dance in your depression is Joy Division
Ya. Darkwave. 🕺
RIP Ian Curtis......such a great talent who is gone waaaay too soon.
"I wouldn't wanna feel how he sounds."
Nailed it.
This song and other '80s post-punk gothic new wave rock songs were on the 2001 movie Donnie Darko ! Movie set in the late '80s. Weird, crazy cool movie.
The other bands were Echo and the Bunnymen "The Killing Moon" , The Church "Under the Milky Way" , etc
At most of the dance clubs that I was legally able to enter in 1985 (18) this song always came on towards the end of the evening, and had me mesmerised, and I didn't know who the band were.
A few years later I found out and have been hooked on all of Joy Division's music!
Adore Joy Division so much. Highly recommend watching the live performance of Transmission. You can really see that pain and passion come through their sound on that performance. Ian Curtis was incredible.
Thanks for finally doing this song. It almost made me cry! Can you hear the nascent sound of New Order in there?
Ian Curtis the lead singer and founder of Joy Division was a complicated person. He was from a depressed mining area and got married and had kids young. He also suffered from severe epilepsy all his (short) life. He suffered from depression but back then that wasnt something that anyone had much sympathy for.
So his music was angsty for lots of reasons.
By the time this song started making Joy Division popular in the mainstream his marriage was strained and he'd started a relationship with a French journalist, with whom he had a child. This song is about that situation.
The strain of everything eventually overwhelmed him and he committed suicide. It was his death that changed Joy Division to New Order (and why New Order's singing was always rubbish). Tragically, the French woman who he had the baby with and who was his partner in his last days also took her life later.
Pretty much accept Annik Honoré didn't commit suicide she died in the last decade of cancer. She also ran an offshoot of Factory records in Belgium.
Ian had a daughter with his wife Deborah Curtis.
If somebody asked me what music sound dominated and defined alternative rock in the 80’s, this is the song I’d play. Legendary.
A pairing I recommend is Joy Division’s “New Dawn Fades” & Moby’s cover of the song.
“Transmission” is one of my favorite songs by Joy Division, but I understand they can be kind of underwhelming-I often recommend to people first getting into them, the film 24 hour party people (the first half of the film mostly follows Joy Division and their involvement in the fledgling label the film centers around.)
"New Dawn Fades" is my second-favorite JD, after "Decades."
"24 Hour Party People" is a masterpiece film. My introduction to Steve Coogan.
This is what you needed to hear before any New Order song. This is where they came from.
Ian Curtis had a cool crooning vocal style.
legend is Tony Wilson (head of Factory Records) encouraged him to listen to Frank Sinatra’s Songs for Swingin’ Lovers for this
"Disorder" and "Warsaw" are my favorite Joy Division tracks! I think you'd enjoy them too. Especially Disorder
This is the same group (minus Ian) that went on to do happy music like Blue Monday. I nominate Shadowplay and New Dawn Fades. Very dark songs but they spoke to a lot of misfit kids in our generation.
mad respect for doing joy division. the story of Ian curtis (singer) is a sad one. they made a movie about him called closer
Wow what a brilliant night tonight. I was a night club DJ in the early 80s and this went well with Bring Boiled from the human league, Pale shelter from Depeche mode and making plans for nigel from XTC
I saw them on a cold wet october Sunday night in Manchester in 1979 at the Apollo supporting Buzzcocks ,loved them since then 😍
"Help" by The Beatles is a good example of a song with sad lyrics but upbeat music.
Ian Curtis’s story is a particularly hard and unhappy one. He suffered from a very severe form of epilepsy that proved hard to control with medication. That contributed to bouts of depression. Towards the end he couldn’t even hold his newborn daughter the risk of having a seizure was so constant. Incredibly talented man, and band.
I had to laugh seeing your smiling faces at the start, knowing what you were in for. :) This song was effectively a suicide note, and an enduring description of a failed relationship. It's dark, and beautiful and amazing.
This is from last years 1st new wave stream ( Around Jan/Feb 2022)
Joy Division is one of my all time favorites. And yes Ian Curtis was a very sad man. RIP. Check out Transmission. It's a favorite track. Please and thank you
The song "Love Will Keep Us Together" by Captain & Tennille came out a few years earlier, this is Joy divisions response. However, Ian Curtis, at the time of recording this song, was planning to die very soon.
You listened! You listened! Next, listen to "She's Lost Control".
Love watching people experiencing new wave
Massive song on so many levels. Suicide, a New Order funding the Madchester scene and it's influence on Rave culture. Happy days 😊.
Lovin your reaction vids. I just found you guys and it’s been my binge all week. New fan! Btw time for some Pixies, Replacement, Harvey Danger, Hoobastank.
Joy Division was amazing. the fact that Ian Curtis died at this moment brings so much weight to the sound. then there became New Order. So you have found the first Emo music. Welcome to the heart and joy and sadness of it all. New Order Substance is the soundtrack.
Joy Division is my favourite band of all time. Ian curtis was so tortured like all the greatest artist. He was stuck in a loveless marriage but couldn’t leave his family for the woman he loved and not to mention he had epilepsy and the pills he took for it.. he didn’t like the way they made him feel. Not to mention having fits on stage. He was self conscious of it. He hung himself in his home in England after his wife went out for the day. She came home and found him hanging. He’s a true poet. Joy division only released 3 albums in the previous 70s before he killed himself and truly this band has revolutionized music and influenced some of the best bands to come. The band later became New Order using old samples of Ian’s voice for some songs but it was never the same without him.
This made no.1 in New Zealand in 1981 on our singles charts, followed up by "Atmosphere" hitting no.1 as well. "Transmission" just missed out hitting no. 2. We had some excellent music hitting our charts here back in the day
I recall we had another great Manchester band The Fall with Mark E Smith tour N.Z in the early 80's .
@@jamesnolan4412 yeah mate,they toured New Zealand around August or September of 1982 - a great show in Auckland (which spawned the live " bootleg" album "Fall In A Hole"),and they'd already had a mainstream chart hit here with "Totally Wired" which got into the high 20s if memory serves correct. At the arse end of 1982 New Order hit New Zealand and had a brilliant show in Wellington, "Temptation" had only been released here,and even back then,was one of the highlights of the show.
RIP Ian Curtis. After he died. Joy Division became New Order.
its like hearing a ghostly voice in a dream. i dont know excatly why this song resonates with so many people......it just.......DOES! i truly don't know why.
Lex, after going through a divorce, let me say, no you don’t want to find the perfect moment for this song. Just that you can put yourself in someone else’s shoes is good enough.
Yeah, been there myself and it's horrible. I don't even know how to put it into words for someone that hasn't been through it, but I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemies.
@@ninja_tony I think I’ve used those exact same words. The only kind of comfort I had was knowing I wasn’t alone and that others had gone through something similar and had survived.
Yesterday's Live New Wave stream surprised me with the choices for the ballots. Surprised at what didn't make it onto the polls; *Psychedelic Furs__Flock of Seagulls__Missing persons__Berlin__Simple Minds__A-Ha__The Fixx__Tears For Fears__Joe Jackson__INXS__Dead or Alive__English Beat__Animotion__Kajagoogoo__Midnight Oil__ABC*
A truly monumental song inspired so much UK music rip Ian Curtis a true icon 😎😎😎😎😎
Was written in a response to Captain and Tannille’s hit “Love Will Keep Us Together”. Ian decided to try singing in a crooner style.
I had heard, on the Podcast "No Dogs in Space' that this song was somewhat a parody to "Love will keep us together", by Captain and Tanil.
brilliant... in the history of music this is a very important track
Joy Division was one of the most influential post punk - new wave bands. Just when they were rising and before a US tour their lead singer committed sooicide.
The band regrouped, renamed themselves New Order and changed direction becoming one of the most influential proto house - proto techno bands.
A great night down memory lane. Love this genre of music. Man the 80s were amazing. Nemesis, from Sheirkback... it will BLOW your mind... you will look up the meaning of words after that song.
Glad you guys are watching 1980's alternative rock, sounds different than you are use to I bet.
one of a few different bands whose lead singers took their own lives. See also BAD FINGER. great music. see the IAN CURTIS live performances and the movie made about him. Tragic and left us with some great music while spending time here. Keanu Reeves named this tune to pack for his music to take to a desert island. Look into Bad Finger. You'll be 70s lovin' it.
"I don't want to feel like he sounds."
No. No, you don't. Good call, Brad.
one of the greatest songs of all.
80s New "Dark" Wave is some of my favorite music of alltime especially around Halloween 🎃 Echo and Bunnymen Killing 🌚
Suicide “Cheree”..
This band was hugely influential in the proto punk and electronics scene.
She loves the song a lot , like she likes all the New Wave songs , she is a 80s girl , she doesnt admit it but thats it . Great song , don't think to much about it ... you like it , you like it ...
Lex is great. I love her explanation of songs. Most of the time she's bang on.
Love will ultimately tear you apart.
What is life without love?
This song started the 80"s sound. Band members moving on to create "New order"
Wow! Joy Division, too? Y'all on a roll. 🙂
New wave, post punk classic. Maybe more on the dark side (darkwave, goth). You hear their songs on movies and tv shows and alternative/college radio stations. Or at underground dance clubs.
Their other good songs are "Transmission" , "Shadowplay", and "Disorder". Little more upbeat.
They formed as New Order after singer died so young. Health issues and depression. More upbeat dance music with New Order.
Joy Division we’re amazing, one of my all time favorite bands. This son has been played to death though.
they still are
Dude is feeling it
Joy Division was the most influential band of the early 80's.
I was a very young & moody little rebel when this song came out. It was perfect 🧡
Brings me back to the best club days.
Keanu Reeves was asked what one song could he listen to for the rest of his life if he had to choose just one. He chose this one.
Joy Division had a massive influence on The Cure.
"I wouldn't want to feel how he sounds" is maybe the best description of Ian Curtis's vocals ever.
She gets it. Its dark wave post-punk. Goth. Happy sounding but sad music.
I left a comment about JD on your Blue Monday video. I'd love to see more JD reactions from you two. Particularly the "Peel Sessions" versions of some of their songs. As well as songs such as New Dawn Fades, Disorder, Shadowplay, Digital, Transmission, Heart and Soul, Interzone, Komakino, Dead Souls, From Safety to Where, Isolation, Glass, Novelty, etc.
great band. The dissonance between lyrics and rhythm is a hallmark of this and the Goth Genre. Covenent's 'Tears in Rain' can get me to tears.. while dancing. You should REALLY check out the movie 24 Hour Party People that covers the Hacienda.. where Joy Division and many other bands started off (and includes JD, with a big section on them 'in' the recording studio). Great and important movie. Story time.. Ihad a mix tape (yes) in the cars tape player but ejected. I had a crash that ripped the axle off the car.. the impact inserted the tape and over the sound of scraping metal, all I could hear was 'Love... Love will tear us apart...again.'. All in accident slow-mo. It was surreal. lol. RIp Ian Curtis
The cure and now joy division? Man your going through the new wave bands that inspired the crow comics.
As a bassist, I love Joy Division. Always so fun to play.
I love the way you both love music. Brad kinda deep and thoughtful and Lex always with a beautiful smile enjoying the moment but she really gets the tunes most of the time.
great song, Exploding Boy by The Cure always felt like it was like a part of this song's life to me too hahah
You two choose a lot of great songs and bands to react to, always positive vibes. Lex, best smile while bopping on TH-cam.. 😀👍🏻✌🏻
Ian Curtis tortured soul. What an anthem!
Ian Curtis r.i.p forever loved
Ian's struggles were very apparent in his song writing and of course his awesome dance moves. Though he is truly missed, we wouldn't have the wonderful tunes of New Order if he'd survived.