A few months after this video was filmed, the singer, Ian Curtis hung himself, as he had epilepsy which was slowly getting worse... Joy Divisions second album '''Closer'', was essentially his last will and testament before he left us, back in 1980 aged 23 years.....
I think Joy Division were extraordinary - not always comfortable listening, but there's a real depth to them. The most incredible thing I've seen is Joy Division playing "She's Lost Control" on The Old Grey Whistle Test. Ian Curtis is like a man possessed. RIP Ian. [Edit: it's the Something Else show, not Whistle test, my bad]
He's in a failing relationship. No communication, no intimacy, no connection, no love. It parallels Ian Curtis's own relationship(s). Plus he suffered terribly with epilepsy - the "taste in my mouth" is a symptom of an oncoming fit. The lyrics were a cry for help that even his bandmates didn't get until it was too late. After his suicide, the rest of the band went on to become New Order - I forget whether you reacted to them already but please do if not.
The evolution of this band from Joy Division to New Order is one of the most fascinating in music. But even with their move to dance oriented music, they never forget their roots or Ian because so many of New Order's songs have dark themes contrasted with a dance beat ("True Faith" for example). Their early singles like "Ceremony" and "Procession", and New Order's debut album 'Movement' are the connective tissue between the post-punk/gothic rock sound and the new wave/alternative rock sound.
He was cheating on his wife during her pregnancy, and after the baby was born. When she left, is when he ended his life. His poor wife holds no blame in Ian’s decision to cheat on, and abandon his wife and kid.
Whats hilarious is that almost all songs that use drum machine sounds from 1980 onward are Stephen Morris sounds. He painstakingly recorded all those noises for the early machines and once one person had gone through that tedious process nobody else could be bothered. He joked that every month he would get absolutely tiny royalty cheques for 1 or 2 pence.
The singer, Ian Curtis wrote this song about his then failing marriage. As for the quality of the video? In his autobiography, Joy Division bassist Peter Hook stated that the band played the song live while they were being filmed because they felt it was silly to lipsync to a playback of the recorded version. This caused a nightmare for the video editor because he had trouble syncing up the recording with the footage.
Multiple times - Once when they came out. A second time when they became New Order. A third time when the bands they influenced started talking about how/why the influenced them. A fourth, when the kids who listened to the bands they influenced started picking up on it.
This band influenced almost every new wave band of the '80s. Not too many people got to see this band live but the people that did went out and started their own bands like, The Cure and The Clash and so much of the "New Wave ."
I don't know about the Clash but the cure sure they were definitely contemporaries of Joy Division. Sorry I just got on someone correcting me and adding things I didnt allude to, so....
Both The Cure (originally as the band The Easy Cure, before they reformed in 1978 as The Cure) and The Clash were founded in 1976 (the same year as Joy Division's original incarnation, Warsaw), so you can't say they had their roots in or were heavily infuenced by Joy Division (not to say there was no influence, but it would have been between peers, and not as a progenitor). The Clash were a total Punk band at the start, while both Joy Division and The Cure had differing styles (although all three had their roots in punk, and all contributed to the post-punk movement). Joy Division was a great band, but they were neither the sole influence in the New Wave movement, nor standing at the peak in the movement. Although they did have influence, it's highly exaggerated to say that "everyone" that got to see them went out and started their own band.
The Grandfather's of the Post Punk movement, modern English were also a big part of the early 80's post punk scene. Ian Curtis (singing) fought depression and epilepsy for quite sometime before taking his own life. Definitely a dark dude. Peace and love Jamel ✌️🤟
Allegedly the name "Joy Division" derives from the nickname given to the Jewish women that were forced to pleasure German soldiers in the lagers. Division should be intended in its military sense.
That's my understanding of it. I think it's a great name for a band precisely because it is so messed up, but then I'm one of those people that thinks calling attention to the horrors of the past is a good part of how we avoid repeating them.
What a band. "Ian's voice is holy"- Bono. They're an acquired taste because that's what happens when you do something that has never been done before. We have no frame of reference for things, we recoil. Then it seeps in. Then we get it. Then there's nothing that compares.
I think it is really cool that you checked out this song and Joy Division. Normally a dark band from Manchester with gloomier songs, this song was actually their take on humor. They were responding to the popularity of songs like "Love Will Keep Us Together", but they weren't being malicious. The lead singer, Ian Curtis led a troubled life (check out the movie "Control") and took his life right around the time of this song. But recording this song was a fun spot for the band, they had fun recording it. Ian was impersonating in his mind Frank Sinatra. I know you didn't like it, but they this was actually their least depressing song. I don't expect you to react to them again, however, I think it's great you at least gave them a listen.
Control was amazing! This song has sooo much history behind it. Look up the history... it is so VERY interesting. This band had such an impact on music history. Think of it as poetry
Well well... lol. interesting info here. i didn't know any of that.. I had just assumed it was about the troubles he and his wife were having. I don't expect many to love JD, but at least he gave it a try which is really all one can ask for.
@@tallykev6608 Hey Kev. Fancy seeing you here 😄. It was a story I heard a long time ago. It was a joking response to Love Will Keep Us Together. Not sure where I heard thst. I think on a local college station that did a JD/New Order hour. I loved that show!
@@susanklasinski1805 fancy indeed... song fits so well with what they do normally. btw, the college could have made that show an elective in the music and/or psychology depts. i guess they didn't do that kind of off-the-cuff stuff back in the day.
Gotta do ‘New Order - Blue Monday’. The rest of this band after the lead singer sadly committed suicide. Very different sound, new order basically began the synth era
Began the synth era? Not really. What they did do however was lead and basically finance the Madchester scene that exploded in the late 80s -- some of it synth-heavy, much of it not.
To those of us that get feeling down with the world, happy songs feel uncaring and even insulting when you're down. Hearing a song where the singer understands how you're feeling resonates and actually makes you feel you're not alone, and thus makes you feel better. Still, if this doesn't work for you, I won't be suggesting any Thom Yorke anytime soon! ;-) Thanks for listening to this great song and sharing your thoughts. Peace from SF
Massively influential band, Joy Division. I've long held that almost all music after 1980 sounds like Joy Division and Kraftwerk, at least in the sense that you can hear their influences. I love them, but I also really appreciate your honesty, Jamel! Knowing when you don't like something makes the things you do like more meaningful because it assures us of your honesty. Integrity is so important, so thank you.
AWESOME SELECTION SIR!! Check out the song, “Age of Consent” by New Order. They are the band that formed after the lead singer of Joy Division sadly committed suicide.
That's no different to the blues. As Bleeding Gums Murphy said, "The blues isn't about feeling better. It's about making other people feel worse." Same pain, different music.
I have to disagree about that definition. The Blues are about taking bad feelings and giving them a range of experiences, including humor, irony, and beauty. There can be a certain type of beauty in sadness. I will say this song does make something beautiful out of sadness.
Expressing pain (and evoking either empathy or sympathy in others) is different from making others feel worse (which implies spitefully doing so). The first is good musical ability and storytelling, while the second is just being a jerk.
Exactly! This resonates with the soul of those who are hurting. When I'm in a good mood, I like to listen to uplifting music. But when I feel down and nothing seems to be going my way, it can feel hypocritical to me. That's when it can actually make me feel better to listen to a song that tells me somone else can understand the pain I'm going through. In it's own way, that can be cathartic (although I stay away from the truly bad music that tells you to hurt, disrespect, or destroy the property of others).
This is what you get when white English people get the blues. It's not happy music and it's not meant to be. Still, when you feel that low it really speaks to you. Ian Curtis was a genius. R.I.P. 41 years ago.
@@arladicey It shocked me to even see this one! I was hoping he would like it a little more. I consider this a great masterpiece of theirs and love the lyrics. Brillant. writing.
@@TheOfficialRemiMoore agreed, 100%. I love "Transmission" and "She's Lost Control", especially. But every person is going to react differently to different songs and genres. Apparently, the impact of Joy Division hit him in a different way.
Joy division lead singer Ian Curtis suffered from epilepsy fits and could not cope no more so committed suicide a week before they were due to go on tour in the USA. After his death the band stayed together but changed the name to New Order
I’m so happy you’re finally discovering Joy Division. They are undoubtedly one of the most underrated bands of all time. You are feeling the lead singer, Ian‘s pain in the song. Their music means so much to so many of us who know the darkness of depression. I hope that this hasn’t turned you away from their music. They were at the forefront of a new style of music and eventually became electronic music’s forerunner, new order. New order is just as upbeat as Joy Division is dark And introspective. Sadly, New Order was only born because joy division died the night before they went on their first US tour. Sadly, at 23, Ian Curtis, their lead singer, took his own life.
I love an honest reaction rather than just playing to the crowd. This took me right back to my all black clothing, panda eyed, club going teen days. I could feel the teenage angst rising, even after all these years.
This band is probably more important for its influence on other bands that followed behind it than what it produced on its own. Legendary in its niche.
No, they're known for both things. Only thing is, some people can't appreciate their music. Especially those who gorge themselves on the "fast food" music that begins and ends within the confines of a tired radio dial...
I wouldmt suggest jamal listen to much if any joy division. Its too dark im sure. Its too cold. Too introspective perhaps. Probaboy best to move on to matchbox 2p and coldplay type bs
I respect the way you straight up said "This isn't for me". MAkes sense - the guy had epic level depression, and makes sense for you to feel uncomfortable with it.
*_FINALLY_* you have made it to the true first step into the Post Punk/Goth world. Shame that you couldn't see the genius behind the song as you were focusing on the mood it was making you experience. We as human beings are built to experience a huge gamut of emotions. Not everything has to be "positive" or "happy" *_ALL_* the time. There is beauty in melancholia and darkness too. You just have to get out of that mentality that mainstream society has told you is "accepatable" and discard all your preconceived notions about things like music. *_THAT_* is why I have suggested listening to things outside the mainstream to you in a few other videos. I mean, you like Pink Floyd and you seem to have no qualms about their depressing music so... why not try and see the beauty and artistry in this? Food for thought, my friend... The true tragedy about this song is that it was pretty much Ian Curtis's (JD's singer) "Goodbye" note to his wife, Deborah (along with his only daughter, who was just an infant at the time). Ian Curtis's life was a lot more complex than what might come across in a song like this, which was released posthumously. To truly understand the true *_GENIUS_* of Ian Curtis and Joy Division (imho), one has to delve into their *_ENTIRE_* catalog of material which isn't too much, since Joy Division only made 2 studio albums (Curtis would then take his own life while alone in his apartment after arguing with his wife who left to stay with her parents - hanging himself in his kitchen in the early hours of May 18, 1980, on the eve of what was to be Joy Division's first ever American tour). I would suggest to anyone interested to simply start from the beginning, the album _'Unknown Pleasures'_ and before listening to the music, actually reading some of Curtis's lyrics. His lyrics are some of the most descriptive, creative, unique, thought-provoking, analytical and realistic lyrics I've ever heard - and mind you, all this was written when he was in his early 20's (and maybe even before). Many talk about well-known artists and musicians like Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain etc. who all penned very popular music and died at age 27 but, it's a shame that Ian Curtis is far too often overlooked by most mainstream media in reference to famous lyricists. Curtis wrote lyrics that, to me, easily rival or even surpass what some of these other people wrote and all this again, by the time he takes his own life at the age of 23, four years before those in the so-called "27 Club". Reading his early lyrics all the way up to his final words penned for the song, _'In A Lonely Place',_ clearly show a person in declining mental health. _'In A Lonely Place'_ is basically a lyrical suicide note, which unfortunately, was never seen as that until afterwards. As a musician myself, I at 23 was not writing lyrics like that. Ian Curtis was a genius with words which not only *_told_* you a story, they made you *_SEE_* it. Rare gift for someone so young. Even now, I don't think I could ever write lyrics like that (if I could, I'd be a lot more successful at music). The world really did lose a giant in the music world. A giant the mainstream music media, in large part, has overlooked and ignored to their own shame... *_JOY DIVISION RULES... Ian Curtis - July 1956 - May 1980 - R.I.P..._* (P.S. The music seems sped up because originally, the video was shot with the band playing the original version of the song (which is a bit different) but, at the moment of release, there were problems with the sound and the final version of the video was released with the 12" single version of the song played instead of the original, hence the un-sync between the song and the band's hand movements and playing)
You have to be considerate of the type of person Jamal is. He's seen and lived through some Real Shit, and he is the positive person he is by seeking out positivity. And I say that as a Joy Division/New Order fan. Not everything is for everybody.
@@scottboswell6406 DISCLAIMER: This response is a bit long due to my wanting to give you a detailed reason for my post. Thanks for taking the time to read it, should you choose to... While I understand what you're saying and where you're coming from, I never meant any disrespect to him as a person or the type of person he is. It's a simple critique of his reaction to a song he deems as his "least favorite" song due to the emotions it conveyed, nothing more. As I stated, he's reacted to other melancholic music before (he even wept upon hearing Pink Floyd's _'Hey You'_ on his full album reaction to their _'The Wall'_ album) so, I found it odd that this song would rattle him and cause him to feel uncomfortable in a way that prevented him from enjoying the song. Not to mention, that album ('The Wall') dealt with issues of mental health and the stigma of those issues in today's society - something that Ian Curtis himself was struggling deeply with in his personal life and time as lead singer of Joy Division, to the point that it led him to take his own life, as most Joy Division fans know now. As for him (Jamel) living through and seeing negativity early on? I too grew up in a part of my city pretty much regarded as the ghetto part of town (it is basically regarded as that, even today) from a very early part of my childhood, up to my young adulthood. Thankfully, eventually I managed to get out of that environment, just as he did (though I suspect that like me, he didn't escape completely "unscathed" in some way or manner). Many others I grew up with weren't so "lucky". I was also lucky enough to avoid many of the hard pitfalls that others fell into from being arouind all of that. I'm sure *_TONS_* of other people have lived similar experiences and even worse ones than either of us. Having said that, that still didn't impede me from seeing the beauty in the darkness and despair that surrounded me and surrounds us all in everyday life. A life that realistically, is *_NEVER_* going to be "peaches & rainbows" all the time. Trying to keep things positive is good but, to try and keep negativity at bay all the time? Not so good. As most people know, that is not a realistic approach to life. My point was and is that this reaction to me simply felt out of character for him when on past videos, he's reacted to and embraced songs of a negative nature and taken their message in a positive way. I get that not everything is for everyone but for me, his reaction to this song and this band (which I am a huge fan of and suggested he react to in the past) just felt out of place and rather out of character when compared to his reactions to similar music of a melancholic and bleak nature. Hopefully, this doesn't dissuade him from enjoying other songs from Joy Division as well as other Post Punk/Goth bands that are similar in nature to Joy Division...
@@modsleix6 First of all, I respect your rational response and how passionately you feel about this. It's true we all have things to deal with; Jamal grew up mostly homeless (which is partly why he's never heard so much of this music) and had close family die from drug overdosing (it's how he can be sympathetic to grunge if not love it). He's talked about this in different videos. BUT his favorite song is one over 10 minutes long by YES. "Love. . ." is as opposite that as possible! lol! I myself am a Joy Division/New Order/Post Punk fan too. You have to know not everyone 'gets it'. I'm also a fan of A&A (Alex & Andy) and it hurts that they think The Talking Heads is mediocre at best! I do respect everyone being honest than just gushing over everything all the time!
@@Grandizer8989 I doubt he's gonna listen to this again and IF he somehow does listen to Joy Division again, I can almost guarantee he's not going to like it cause if he can't handle the lyrics to THIS song (since it seems he's all about lyrics for some reason)? He sure as hell isn't going to like the majority of the other songs they have. Those songs make this one look tame by comparison. He might as well just stay away from other bands like The Cure, The Sisters Of Mercy, Siouxsie & The Banshees and others from the same genres as Joy Division. He should just commit to reviewing mainstream pop/rock cause that's what he seems most comfortable with, unfortunately.
I was so lucky to be a teenager and in Manchester at this time (so many other brilliant bands around in those years). I think its difficult to explain how huge this song was when it came out.
I absolutely love mood downer/depressing music like this song or some Black Metal projects out there just creating an atmosphere of desperation and hopelessness. But I get why it's not something for everyone. :D Just to complete the thought, I also love movies that leave you on a down/miserable feeling, not unconcluded, just depressing endings, like life itself.
It's tough to dive into Joy Division with no preparation. This is the beginning of what today would be called goth music. Yes, it's depressing, reflecting the feelings of the artist. Less than two months after writing and recording this, singer Ian Curtis took his own life. This is actually one of their most upbeat and happy songs, check out Atmosphere or New Dawn Fades to hear when they get even darker. After Curtis' suicide, the band became New Order with the addition of keyboard player Gillian Gilbert. You would recognize their massive club hit Blue Monday
Ok. Please just do more than this song. They have so much good stuff, and this is the only song that gets covered. PLEEEEEEZE. Disorder, Interzone, Dead Souls, She's Lost Control, Shadowplay, Decades, Transmission for starters. Now CEREMONY is the bridge between Joy Division and New Order, Ian Curtis wrote the lyrics and did record it but the record itself was re-recorded as New Order. JOY DIVISION is groundbreaking. Please dive in.
Ah, Joy Division! Always have a special place in my heart for this band. If you want something more uplifting, listen to New Order. It was the band they started after the lead singer, Ian Curtis, died. I recommend "Blue Monday" or "Bizarre Love Triangle."
When I saw the movie "Control" . My heart broke for him. The despair his epilepsy put him in, along with the whole situation surrounding his marriage. To be driven to end his own life, and the absolute crushing horror of his wife finding him. The loss of a father to their little girl. New Order's ending every concert with this song as an homage to their ex bandmate is such a wonderfu and fitting tribute!
I was so honored to see joy division in concert, before the singers death and than seeing them spilt in a new band called NEW ORDER,. I also saw NEW ORDER in concert with Echo and the bunny men opening up for them..
You have to respect Joy Division for trying to do something different. They came out of the "post punk" scene and as others have noted were highly influential. They didn't sell millions of records but were important artistically.
Joy Division is one of my all time favorite bands, been listening to them for decades. Ian’s lyrics are beautiful & tragic. Peter Hook (the bassist) still keeps the band alive by touring the world & performing these wonderful songs.
This is your first video about a british new wave band, I'm glad you did it. I recommand Joy Division Transmission official video. You'll see how mersmerizing Ian Curtis was on stage, and feel the energy.
Joy Division is a tragic story on it's own...this song is on the list of top songs that influenced rock and roll- they are one of the most influential bands.
Agreed, like I love this song and the mood ot encapsulates but once I learned more about the meaning the song had for Ian Curtis and everything that followed Im much more reverent when I play it.
I have to admit I struggle with hearing people say they don't like a song because they think it's too sad or depressing. I love happy music, sad music, angry music... 🤷🏽♀️
Why woud anyone want an iconic band like Joy Division to be inducted into an organization that has nothhing to do with giving real due credit to the artists due to the fact that it's run by record company fatcats who got rich by fleecing pretty much all the artists it pretends to "honor"? Not to mention, it's full of people like this reactor who just won't and will NEVER "get" a band like Joy Division. I mean, to call it the least favorite song he reacted to was just mind-boggling and disappointing. This reactor has reacted to other mainstream rock songs of a dark and bleak nature and he gobbled them up eagerly but, somehow THIS song is TOO dark and depressing for him?? GIMME A BREAK. That's like someone saying they like a movie like Saving Private Ryan and praising it for it's brutal depictioin of the horrors of war and human tragedy AND THEN turning around and watching a movie iike ROCKY and saying they couldn't stomach it cause of the violent nature of boxing, the sad character of Rocky Balboa and it's bittersweet ending... Utterly ridiculous....
@@RiverOfBlacklights well, of course, not all songs, even if they are of a similar nature, are going to hit every person the same way. Personally, I think Jamel is pretty open to new influences, but not all sounds are going to be the same kind of miracle to his ears as others. I love Joy Division... but I also love New Order, who took a very different sonic path than they did with their late friend, Ian, and their former band with him. It's okay. There are tons of other musical styles to explore. Doesn't make Joy Division any less great or influential.
Other worthwhile Joy Division videos: (A)"Transmission" live version from BBC TV show (B) "Disorder" video swirling colors of a drive around Manchester. (C) "She's Lost Control" Remaster 2007 (audio only version). The band only put out two studio albums to go along with many notable singles. They existed for maybe 3 years. The lyrics are often dark and morose especially as the singer's depression got worse. Many people believe that the medication he was taking for epilepsy was making his depression worse. They influenced a lot bands that came after them. The music that they made has stood the test of time. However, the gloom and darkness isn't for everyone but if you focus on the interplay of the basslines, lead guitar riffs it does provide music to my ears.
When Peter Hook performs this song in his shows, it’s a joyous celebration and tribute to Ian. Totally different vibe but the emotions are still there.
Well, Jamel, don't kid yourself thinking that life is only sunshine and clear skies, there are going to be a lot of rainy days too, whether you like it or not.
If you've watched many Jamel videos, you already know that he has experienced some very "rainy days" in life. He grew up in one of the toughest areas of Los Angeles, an area from which many people don't make it out alive. The fact that he doesn't like Joy Division doesn't mean that he doesn't understand life. I'm a Joy Division fan, and your comment was disrespectful.
all of joy division's music is heavy/ dark mood. people who love their music are people who have that disposition themselves (ie depression/ mental health problems) these are some powerful songs by them: disorder th-cam.com/video/5BIElTtN6Fs/w-d-xo.html dead souls th-cam.com/video/MhEm4S-4v_U/w-d-xo.html shadowplay th-cam.com/video/6mpZUPPTyjo/w-d-xo.html
Raw, honest, influential... and brief. This was a drastic departure from popular musical styles at the time. This was the edge of punk and the beginning of the New Wave. Also the beginning of Syth-pop. Give them another shot, Jamel. Check out Transmission.
You’re absolutely right about it not being uplifting. It’s anything but uplifting. But sadly, it was written from a very real place in the life of Ian Curtis, whose own life ended very tragically. And I can’t overstate how influential this song was to much of the music released in the 80s and 90s and even later. The Cure and Interpol have a similar sound. And of course the creative outlet of Joy Division carried on after the death of Curtis when the group New Order was founded by members of the former. I appreciate you playing this and giving your honest reaction to it. And I especially appreciate your dedication to all things positive! 🙌🏻☺️
Ian Curtis committed suicide by hanging, 41 years and 16 days ago (18 May 1980). He was only 23. I was in 8th grade and my older brother had introduced me to Joy Division a year before. I developed a fascination for the band, and Ian in particular, that was (and still is) hard to describe. I was devastated by his death. A month after that there was a Languages' Week in my school, so I decided to pay homage to him by singing and playing A Means To An End on my electric guitar and reciting the lyrics to Love Will Tears Us Apart, all by myself on stage, in front of an audience of students and teachers. I was only 15.
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That’s just joy division’s way of doing things
You should listen to Joy Division's Disorder!
I love your reactions.
A few months after this video was filmed, the singer, Ian Curtis hung himself, as he had epilepsy which was slowly getting worse... Joy Divisions second album '''Closer'', was essentially his last will and testament before he left us, back in 1980 aged 23 years.....
I think Joy Division were extraordinary - not always comfortable listening, but there's a real depth to them. The most incredible thing I've seen is Joy Division playing "She's Lost Control" on The Old Grey Whistle Test. Ian Curtis is like a man possessed. RIP Ian.
[Edit: it's the Something Else show, not Whistle test, my bad]
Not every song is about butterflies and flowers 🇬🇧👨🏻🎤
Yaa no shit. Jamal been listening to too much bubblegum music
I prefer the bubblegum music. 😁
@@rediscoveryrecords1348 Yep, Asian Dub Foundation - Radio Bubblegum would make an interesting reaction. I'd like to see his take on that.
@DizJakeOG i don't 😊
He's in a failing relationship. No communication, no intimacy, no connection, no love. It parallels Ian Curtis's own relationship(s). Plus he suffered terribly with epilepsy - the "taste in my mouth" is a symptom of an oncoming fit. The lyrics were a cry for help that even his bandmates didn't get until it was too late. After his suicide, the rest of the band went on to become New Order - I forget whether you reacted to them already but please do if not.
The evolution of this band from Joy Division to New Order is one of the most fascinating in music. But even with their move to dance oriented music, they never forget their roots or Ian because so many of New Order's songs have dark themes contrasted with a dance beat ("True Faith" for example).
Their early singles like "Ceremony" and "Procession", and New Order's debut album 'Movement' are the connective tissue between the post-punk/gothic rock sound and the new wave/alternative rock sound.
Both bands are bad asf and I'm a ex cholo who came from rap , funk , and oldies
The female reporter didn't help matters 2
The fact he cheated on his wife didnt help his cause. It led to his suicide.
He was cheating on his wife during her pregnancy, and after the baby was born. When she left, is when he ended his life. His poor wife holds no blame in Ian’s decision to cheat on, and abandon his wife and kid.
It is a song that embodies absolute despair. Explaining what led him to his early demise. ☹️
cheers
True but Atmosphere more so is his audio goodbye and explinations :)
I understand people finding this depressing, but I find it quite uplifting, one of my all time favourite songs.
It sounds good but the lyrics are depressing
It gives me hope
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@@aimehetharie251
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_"Is this sped up? He's going so fast!"_ That's Stephen Morris on drums, brother - 100% natural - a machine.
For real, tho. 🔥
And this isnt even the fastest he had to do for a song.
I believe this particular version is sped up slightly compared to the original recording? Only by 10-15% or so, but enough to notice.
@@FightingTorque411 On the live _Les Baines Douches 1979_ album, Morris is going so fast on the song, you can hear Ian struggling to keep up.
Whats hilarious is that almost all songs that use drum machine sounds from 1980 onward are Stephen Morris sounds. He painstakingly recorded all those noises for the early machines and once one person had gone through that tedious process nobody else could be bothered. He joked that every month he would get absolutely tiny royalty cheques for 1 or 2 pence.
The singer, Ian Curtis wrote this song about his then failing marriage. As for the quality of the video? In his autobiography, Joy Division bassist Peter Hook stated that the band played the song live while they were being filmed because they felt it was silly to lipsync to a playback of the recorded version. This caused a nightmare for the video editor because he had trouble syncing up the recording with the footage.
Ian was beautiful & artistic. This is his soul crying.
I can’t agree with you more 🙏🏼
Too true.
Art isn't always happy...that's why I love it all.
Couldn't have put it any better. RIP Ian Curtis.
His soul crying lmao get a grip
wow you are doing joy division. A band that 100% changed the world.
Multiple times - Once when they came out. A second time when they became New Order. A third time when the bands they influenced started talking about how/why the influenced them. A fourth, when the kids who listened to the bands they influenced started picking up on it.
Yes yes yes
@@jamessullenriot True
Um YES!!!!!
Not only the World, the whole Music Industry!!!! When the Book of the Bands with the most Influences is written, Joy Division will be in the Top 5
This band influenced almost every new wave band of the '80s. Not too many people got to see this band live but the people that did went out and started their own bands like, The Cure and The Clash and so much of the "New Wave ."
I don't know about the Clash but the cure sure they were definitely contemporaries of Joy Division. Sorry I just got on someone correcting me and adding things I didnt allude to, so....
Both The Cure (originally as the band The Easy Cure, before they reformed in 1978 as The Cure) and The Clash were founded in 1976 (the same year as Joy Division's original incarnation, Warsaw), so you can't say they had their roots in or were heavily infuenced by Joy Division (not to say there was no influence, but it would have been between peers, and not as a progenitor). The Clash were a total Punk band at the start, while both Joy Division and The Cure had differing styles (although all three had their roots in punk, and all contributed to the post-punk movement).
Joy Division was a great band, but they were neither the sole influence in the New Wave movement, nor standing at the peak in the movement. Although they did have influence, it's highly exaggerated to say that "everyone" that got to see them went out and started their own band.
Very true. Don't forget the big influence JD had on Bono...
This is what emptiness and desolation sounds like. 😔 Knowing what we know now, this song hits different. RIP, IC.
Ian Curtis' story is a tragic one.
The Grandfather's of the Post Punk movement, modern English were also a big part of the early 80's post punk scene.
Ian Curtis (singing) fought depression and epilepsy for quite sometime before taking his own life. Definitely a dark dude.
Peace and love Jamel ✌️🤟
This was just before he took his own life.
Very tragic. Take care of your friends.
Allegedly the name "Joy Division" derives from the nickname given to the Jewish women that were forced to pleasure German soldiers in the lagers. Division should be intended in its military sense.
Yes I hope Jamel looks this up. Its a totally fucked name choice but its real.
That's my understanding of it. I think it's a great name for a band precisely because it is so messed up, but then I'm one of those people that thinks calling attention to the horrors of the past is a good part of how we avoid repeating them.
@@iDEATH I agree it was perfect.
Ahh. Those civilised Germans again.
@@frankgarcia1 ...and the follow-up "New Order" Moniker, had come from the same Bad Seed.
What a band. "Ian's voice is holy"- Bono.
They're an acquired taste because that's what happens when you do something that has never been done before. We have no frame of reference for things, we recoil. Then it seeps in. Then we get it. Then there's nothing that compares.
I've been trying to like this song for over 20 years! I recognise the significance, but I still don't like it.
I think it is really cool that you checked out this song and Joy Division. Normally a dark band from Manchester with gloomier songs, this song was actually their take on humor. They were responding to the popularity of songs like "Love Will Keep Us Together", but they weren't being malicious. The lead singer, Ian Curtis led a troubled life (check out the movie "Control") and took his life right around the time of this song. But recording this song was a fun spot for the band, they had fun recording it. Ian was impersonating in his mind Frank Sinatra. I know you didn't like it, but they this was actually their least depressing song. I don't expect you to react to them again, however, I think it's great you at least gave them a listen.
I never thought of the "Love Will Keep Us Together" parallel -- interesting!
Control was amazing! This song has sooo much history behind it. Look up the history... it is so VERY interesting. This band had such an impact on music history. Think of it as poetry
Well well... lol. interesting info here. i didn't know any of that.. I had just assumed it was about the troubles he and his wife were having. I don't expect many to love JD, but at least he gave it a try which is really all one can ask for.
@@tallykev6608 Hey Kev. Fancy seeing you here 😄. It was a story I heard a long time ago. It was a joking response to Love Will Keep Us Together. Not sure where I heard thst. I think on a local college station that did a JD/New Order hour. I loved that show!
@@susanklasinski1805 fancy indeed... song fits so well with what they do normally. btw, the college could have made that show an elective in the music and/or psychology depts. i guess they didn't do that kind of off-the-cuff stuff back in the day.
I live in the little northern town where Ian lived, loved, died and has a memorial stone in West Park Cemetery...
Gotta do ‘New Order - Blue Monday’. The rest of this band after the lead singer sadly committed suicide. Very different sound, new order basically began the synth era
Yes, but which version? There are many!
Began the synth era? Not sure about that.
@@andysibley1 I realised it just after I typed it lol it was a defining song of that era and genre is what I meant really
Began the synth era? Not really. What they did do however was lead and basically finance the Madchester scene that exploded in the late 80s -- some of it synth-heavy, much of it not.
@@Guy_de_Loimbard I know read my other comment lol
Ian Curtis was an amazing lyricist, but a very troubled man
To those of us that get feeling down with the world, happy songs feel uncaring and even insulting when you're down. Hearing a song where the singer understands how you're feeling resonates and actually makes you feel you're not alone, and thus makes you feel better.
Still, if this doesn't work for you, I won't be suggesting any Thom Yorke anytime soon! ;-) Thanks for listening to this great song and sharing your thoughts.
Peace from SF
Massively influential band, Joy Division. I've long held that almost all music after 1980 sounds like Joy Division and Kraftwerk, at least in the sense that you can hear their influences.
I love them, but I also really appreciate your honesty, Jamel! Knowing when you don't like something makes the things you do like more meaningful because it assures us of your honesty. Integrity is so important, so thank you.
Loved the honesty. This song is definitely not for everyone...it allows you to go to places that you'd never thought you can goto.
Back in the day: We ran out on the floor and danced to it, and then ran back to the bar because we were depressed by it...😵
AWESOME SELECTION SIR!! Check out the song, “Age of Consent” by New Order. They are the band that formed after the lead singer of Joy Division sadly committed suicide.
Wish I could circle and underline this comment
That is so sad what happened to him.
Yes please.
Theres a movie about them. Remember this was recorded in the late 70’s
@@mikeleslie4364 Control. Two, if you count 24 Hour Party People as that has the Factory Records and Tony Wilson at its core..
That's no different to the blues. As Bleeding Gums Murphy said, "The blues isn't about feeling better. It's about making other people feel worse."
Same pain, different music.
I have to disagree about that definition. The Blues are about taking bad feelings and giving them a range of experiences, including humor, irony, and beauty. There can be a certain type of beauty in sadness. I will say this song does make something beautiful out of sadness.
@@scottboswell6406 Exactly! I 100% agree this your statement!
Expressing pain (and evoking either empathy or sympathy in others) is different from making others feel worse (which implies spitefully doing so). The first is good musical ability and storytelling, while the second is just being a jerk.
Nobody on your comments has watched the Simpsons
Appreciate the honesty. This song is really "depressant".
But for depressed people it can surely have the opposite effect. 😉
Nailed it!
Exactly! This resonates with the soul of those who are hurting. When I'm in a good mood, I like to listen to uplifting music. But when I feel down and nothing seems to be going my way, it can feel hypocritical to me. That's when it can actually make me feel better to listen to a song that tells me somone else can understand the pain I'm going through. In it's own way, that can be cathartic (although I stay away from the truly bad music that tells you to hurt, disrespect, or destroy the property of others).
This is what you get when white English people get the blues. It's not happy music and it's not meant to be. Still, when you feel that low it really speaks to you.
Ian Curtis was a genius. R.I.P. 41 years ago.
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100% on the money!
This song will always be the best example of music being so much more than a catchy tune. He really poured himself into this one
Check out the docu-drama Control if you want the backstory of Ian and Joy Division.
Perfect reference. It explains what can't be explained by watching a video.
One of the most influential bands of all-time. You need to react to their full album Unknown Pleasures!! It's an absolute masterpiece.
Yes!
He's a very open-minded reactor, which I love about him; and although he might, I wouldn't expect it.
@@arladicey It shocked me to even see this one! I was hoping he would like it a little more. I consider this a great masterpiece of theirs and love the lyrics. Brillant. writing.
@@TheOfficialRemiMoore agreed, 100%. I love "Transmission" and "She's Lost Control", especially. But every person is going to react differently to different songs and genres. Apparently, the impact of Joy Division hit him in a different way.
Joy division lead singer Ian Curtis suffered from epilepsy fits and could not cope no more so committed suicide a week before they were due to go on tour in the USA. After his death the band stayed together but changed the name to New Order
Joy Division/New Order are 2 of my all-time favorites
Same. I see Peter hook every time he comes to town. He sounds the closest to Ian you're ever going to get. Irs pretty emotional.
@@faithb8343 Same here. I've seen him the past few times he came around. Fun hearing songs from the albums that were either rarely or never performed.
I’m so happy you’re finally discovering Joy Division. They are undoubtedly one of the most underrated bands of all time. You are feeling the lead singer, Ian‘s pain in the song. Their music means so much to so many of us who know the darkness of depression. I hope that this hasn’t turned you away from their music. They were at the forefront of a new style of music and eventually became electronic music’s forerunner, new order. New order is just as upbeat as Joy Division is dark And introspective. Sadly, New Order was only born because joy division died the night before they went on their first US tour. Sadly, at 23, Ian Curtis, their lead singer, took his own life.
Amazing song! You should try Echo & The Bunnymen Killing Moon!!!
Oh man, absolutely - one of the greatest song of the 80s for me, just fantastic!
Gee its been a long time since ive heard them ... will be adding them to my weekend playlist thanks for the flashback
Rescue from the Crocodiles LP (both that song and its LP were great)! Also, check out Silver, Seven Seas, Never Stop, Ocean Rain, etc.
@@AdrianDeVore anything on Crocodiles. My favorite Echo album. Their first 4 were brilliant.
I. Was. About. To. Type. This.
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Ureal LOL
I love an honest reaction rather than just playing to the crowd. This took me right back to my all black clothing, panda eyed, club going teen days. I could feel the teenage angst rising, even after all these years.
This band is probably more important for its influence on other bands that followed behind it than what it produced on its own. Legendary in its niche.
No, they're known for both things. Only thing is, some people can't appreciate their music. Especially those who gorge themselves on the "fast food" music that begins and ends within the confines of a tired radio dial...
@@RiverOfBlacklights Your comment doesn't disagree with anything I wrote. I appreciate you jumping in.
And if the sex pistols didn't do that gig in Manchester new order would still be Warsaw
This one’s simple, just listen to all of Joy Division haha. They are a special band. Look into New Order and the crazy history of those two bands.
I wouldmt suggest jamal listen to much if any joy division. Its too dark im sure. Its too cold. Too introspective perhaps. Probaboy best to move on to matchbox 2p and coldplay type bs
I respect the way you straight up said "This isn't for me". MAkes sense - the guy had epic level depression, and makes sense for you to feel uncomfortable with it.
Ian Curtis Sadly passed away, he took his own life at age of 23. (1980)
Request: XTC- Making plans for Nigel
100%!
Yes!!
One of my very favourite 80's bands. The lyrics are as important as the melody. Love Senses working overtime , Snowman and Yacht Dance
Great song, EEEE OOWWW!
King for a Day and Life begins at the hop.
Incredible song!
*_FINALLY_* you have made it to the true first step into the Post Punk/Goth world. Shame that you couldn't see the genius behind the song as you were focusing on the mood it was making you experience. We as human beings are built to experience a huge gamut of emotions. Not everything has to be "positive" or "happy" *_ALL_* the time. There is beauty in melancholia and darkness too. You just have to get out of that mentality that mainstream society has told you is "accepatable" and discard all your preconceived notions about things like music. *_THAT_* is why I have suggested listening to things outside the mainstream to you in a few other videos. I mean, you like Pink Floyd and you seem to have no qualms about their depressing music so... why not try and see the beauty and artistry in this? Food for thought, my friend...
The true tragedy about this song is that it was pretty much Ian Curtis's (JD's singer) "Goodbye" note to his wife, Deborah (along with his only daughter, who was just an infant at the time). Ian Curtis's life was a lot more complex than what might come across in a song like this, which was released posthumously. To truly understand the true *_GENIUS_* of Ian Curtis and Joy Division (imho), one has to delve into their *_ENTIRE_* catalog of material which isn't too much, since Joy Division only made 2 studio albums (Curtis would then take his own life while alone in his apartment after arguing with his wife who left to stay with her parents - hanging himself in his kitchen in the early hours of May 18, 1980, on the eve of what was to be Joy Division's first ever American tour).
I would suggest to anyone interested to simply start from the beginning, the album _'Unknown Pleasures'_ and before listening to the music, actually reading some of Curtis's lyrics. His lyrics are some of the most descriptive, creative, unique, thought-provoking, analytical and realistic lyrics I've ever heard - and mind you, all this was written when he was in his early 20's (and maybe even before).
Many talk about well-known artists and musicians like Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain etc. who all penned very popular music and died at age 27 but, it's a shame that Ian Curtis is far too often overlooked by most mainstream media in reference to famous lyricists. Curtis wrote lyrics that, to me, easily rival or even surpass what some of these other people wrote and all this again, by the time he takes his own life at the age of 23, four years before those in the so-called "27 Club".
Reading his early lyrics all the way up to his final words penned for the song, _'In A Lonely Place',_ clearly show a person in declining mental health. _'In A Lonely Place'_ is basically a lyrical suicide note, which unfortunately, was never seen as that until afterwards. As a musician myself, I at 23 was not writing lyrics like that. Ian Curtis was a genius with words which not only *_told_* you a story, they made you *_SEE_* it. Rare gift for someone so young. Even now, I don't think I could ever write lyrics like that (if I could, I'd be a lot more successful at music). The world really did lose a giant in the music world. A giant the mainstream music media, in large part, has overlooked and ignored to their own shame... *_JOY DIVISION RULES... Ian Curtis - July 1956 - May 1980 - R.I.P..._*
(P.S. The music seems sped up because originally, the video was shot with the band playing the original version of the song (which is a bit different) but, at the moment of release, there were problems with the sound and the final version of the video was released with the 12" single version of the song played instead of the original, hence the un-sync between the song and the band's hand movements and playing)
You have to be considerate of the type of person Jamal is. He's seen and lived through some Real Shit, and he is the positive person he is by seeking out positivity. And I say that as a Joy Division/New Order fan. Not everything is for everybody.
@@scottboswell6406 DISCLAIMER: This response is a bit long due to my wanting to give you a detailed reason for my post. Thanks for taking the time to read it, should you choose to...
While I understand what you're saying and where you're coming from, I never meant any disrespect to him as a person or the type of person he is. It's a simple critique of his reaction to a song he deems as his "least favorite" song due to the emotions it conveyed, nothing more. As I stated, he's reacted to other melancholic music before (he even wept upon hearing Pink Floyd's _'Hey You'_ on his full album reaction to their _'The Wall'_ album) so, I found it odd that this song would rattle him and cause him to feel uncomfortable in a way that prevented him from enjoying the song. Not to mention, that album ('The Wall') dealt with issues of mental health and the stigma of those issues in today's society - something that Ian Curtis himself was struggling deeply with in his personal life and time as lead singer of Joy Division, to the point that it led him to take his own life, as most Joy Division fans know now.
As for him (Jamel) living through and seeing negativity early on? I too grew up in a part of my city pretty much regarded as the ghetto part of town (it is basically regarded as that, even today) from a very early part of my childhood, up to my young adulthood. Thankfully, eventually I managed to get out of that environment, just as he did (though I suspect that like me, he didn't escape completely "unscathed" in some way or manner). Many others I grew up with weren't so "lucky". I was also lucky enough to avoid many of the hard pitfalls that others fell into from being arouind all of that. I'm sure *_TONS_* of other people have lived similar experiences and even worse ones than either of us.
Having said that, that still didn't impede me from seeing the beauty in the darkness and despair that surrounded me and surrounds us all in everyday life. A life that realistically, is *_NEVER_* going to be "peaches & rainbows" all the time. Trying to keep things positive is good but, to try and keep negativity at bay all the time? Not so good. As most people know, that is not a realistic approach to life.
My point was and is that this reaction to me simply felt out of character for him when on past videos, he's reacted to and embraced songs of a negative nature and taken their message in a positive way. I get that not everything is for everyone but for me, his reaction to this song and this band (which I am a huge fan of and suggested he react to in the past) just felt out of place and rather out of character when compared to his reactions to similar music of a melancholic and bleak nature. Hopefully, this doesn't dissuade him from enjoying other songs from Joy Division as well as other Post Punk/Goth bands that are similar in nature to Joy Division...
@@modsleix6 First of all, I respect your rational response and how passionately you feel about this. It's true we all have things to deal with; Jamal grew up mostly homeless (which is partly why he's never heard so much of this music) and had close family die from drug overdosing (it's how he can be sympathetic to grunge if not love it). He's talked about this in different videos. BUT his favorite song is one over 10 minutes long by YES. "Love. . ." is as opposite that as possible! lol!
I myself am a Joy Division/New Order/Post Punk fan too. You have to know not everyone 'gets it'. I'm also a fan of A&A (Alex & Andy) and it hurts that they think The Talking Heads is mediocre at best! I do respect everyone being honest than just gushing over everything all the time!
It might take a few listens for this song to sink in
@@Grandizer8989 I doubt he's gonna listen to this again and IF he somehow does listen to Joy Division again, I can almost guarantee he's not going to like it cause if he can't handle the lyrics to THIS song (since it seems he's all about lyrics for some reason)? He sure as hell isn't going to like the majority of the other songs they have. Those songs make this one look tame by comparison. He might as well just stay away from other bands like The Cure, The Sisters Of Mercy, Siouxsie & The Banshees and others from the same genres as Joy Division. He should just commit to reviewing mainstream pop/rock cause that's what he seems most comfortable with, unfortunately.
Try Big Country 'In a Big Country' to get your mood up.
Good pick!
I love a 'Big Country 'In a Big Country'' recommendation whenever I see one!!
Great song, cheerful and uplifting, then he'll find out that singer hung himself in a hotel wardrobe sadly.
Not "Chance" ??
Ah be still my little goth heart
Oh, I love this! Classic 80's alternative rock.
Rip Ian Curtis
A classic is a classic.
Yes, it is the right version ❤️
Ah! A band that is very important to me. Check out more Joy Division.
If it's not your thing then that's no problem, but to many people Joy Division were very special, and their music really touched them
I was so lucky to be a teenager and in Manchester at this time (so many other brilliant bands around in those years).
I think its difficult to explain how huge this song was when it came out.
Ok now do "never tear us apart - INXS" lol
SO FANTASTIC YOU ARE DOING JOY DIVISON!!!! PLEASE ALL OF IT!!!!
I absolutely love mood downer/depressing music like this song or some Black Metal projects out there just creating an atmosphere of desperation and hopelessness. But I get why it's not something for everyone. :D
Just to complete the thought, I also love movies that leave you on a down/miserable feeling, not unconcluded, just depressing endings, like life itself.
After probably hundreds of reactions, someone finally broke Jamel. I never thought I would see it!
Btw amazing song
It's tough to dive into Joy Division with no preparation. This is the beginning of what today would be called goth music. Yes, it's depressing, reflecting the feelings of the artist. Less than two months after writing and recording this, singer Ian Curtis took his own life. This is actually one of their most upbeat and happy songs, check out Atmosphere or New Dawn Fades to hear when they get even darker.
After Curtis' suicide, the band became New Order with the addition of keyboard player Gillian Gilbert. You would recognize their massive club hit Blue Monday
Ok. Please just do more than this song. They have so much good stuff, and this is the only song that gets covered. PLEEEEEEZE. Disorder, Interzone, Dead Souls, She's Lost Control, Shadowplay, Decades, Transmission for starters. Now CEREMONY is the bridge between Joy Division and New Order, Ian Curtis wrote the lyrics and did record it but the record itself was re-recorded as New Order. JOY DIVISION is groundbreaking. Please dive in.
If he doesn't like what is probably their most accessible song then I don't think he'll like anything you mentioned lol
As an American I cannot deny the HUGE impact Britain has has on music 🎶 🎶🎶🏴🇬🇧 .Joy Division is by far one of my favorite bands of all time!!!
I really like Disorder, another great song by them.
My favorite by them
So good
Transmission? Shadowplay?
She's lost Control?
@@bywodensbeard9841 all great, but Disorder's still my favorite.
Sorry you didnt like it..this is one of the classic alternative songs of all time..this band influenced so many others. RIP Ian..
Ah, Joy Division! Always have a special place in my heart for this band. If you want something more uplifting, listen to New Order. It was the band they started after the lead singer, Ian Curtis, died. I recommend "Blue Monday" or "Bizarre Love Triangle."
Thank you for this old underground favorite. If you knew Joy Division back then, you were a non compliant alternative kid
When I saw the movie "Control" . My heart broke for him. The despair his epilepsy put him in, along with the whole situation surrounding his marriage. To be driven to end his own life, and the absolute crushing horror of his wife finding him. The loss of a father to their little girl. New Order's ending every concert with this song as an homage to their ex bandmate is such a wonderfu and fitting tribute!
Peter Hook when he didn't have his bass hanging around his knees.
Why would anyone give this a thumbs down???
Because it's what they were after, negativity.
Yes, your're doing Joy Division! I dropped what I was doing to see this!
Ahh yes, a classic!!
Joy Division/New Order. All time favorite!!!!
I was so honored to see joy division in concert, before the singers death and than seeing them spilt in a new band called NEW ORDER,. I also saw NEW ORDER in concert with Echo and the bunny men opening up for them..
You have to respect Joy Division for trying to do something different. They came out of the "post punk" scene and as others have noted were highly influential. They didn't sell millions of records but were important artistically.
“Hope y’all enjoyed...I don’t know how.” 😂😂😂🙌
@@Eva_la_Diva he’s too funny. 🤣
Sympathies to those already in the mood this song puts you in.
Joy Division is one of my all time favorite bands, been listening to them for decades. Ian’s lyrics are beautiful & tragic. Peter Hook (the bassist) still keeps the band alive by touring the world & performing these wonderful songs.
Joy Division definitely isn't for everyone..
First time I heard them in 82 they took me back a bit..
But they grew on me
This is your first video about a british new wave band, I'm glad you did it. I recommand Joy Division Transmission official video. You'll see how mersmerizing Ian Curtis was on stage, and feel the energy.
His elbow thrashing dance was mesmerizing I remember trying to imitate it but wasn't drunk or seizuratic enough. Loved Ian's mannerisms and style.
Look up my post TRAMSMISSION! AH YEAH I THINK THEIR BEST SONG!
Joy Division is a tragic story on it's own...this song is on the list of top songs that influenced rock and roll- they are one of the most influential bands.
First! And yay! Joy division rules!!!
Edit: oh no. I’m devastated that you hate this song.
He didn't hate it - he said he appreciated what it did. It's just not the vibe he likes to go for, and I respect that.
Agreed, like I love this song and the mood ot encapsulates but once I learned more about the meaning the song had for Ian Curtis and everything that followed Im much more reverent when I play it.
I have to admit I struggle with hearing people say they don't like a song because they think it's too sad or depressing. I love happy music, sad music, angry music... 🤷🏽♀️
I love this song and band and surprised you're reacting to this.
Follow this up with "Let's Dance to Joy Division" by The Wombats.
Aye, Ian Curtis and Joy Division were not particularly uplifting, no gonny lie. Absolutey amazing though, and an inspiration to so many bands.
Joy Division was what The Cure would have been had Robert Smith taken downers....
He wasn't planning on writing Hallmark Cards...
Best comment I’ve ever read about Joy Division!
It's due time that they enter the rock n roll hall of fame, one of the most influential bands of all time.
Why woud anyone want an iconic band like Joy Division to be inducted into an organization that has nothhing to do with giving real due credit to the artists due to the fact that it's run by record company fatcats who got rich by fleecing pretty much all the artists it pretends to "honor"?
Not to mention, it's full of people like this reactor who just won't and will NEVER "get" a band like Joy Division. I mean, to call it the least favorite song he reacted to was just mind-boggling and disappointing.
This reactor has reacted to other mainstream rock songs of a dark and bleak nature and he gobbled them up eagerly but, somehow THIS song is TOO dark and depressing for him?? GIMME A BREAK.
That's like someone saying they like a movie like Saving Private Ryan and praising it for it's brutal depictioin of the horrors of war and human tragedy AND THEN turning around and watching a movie iike ROCKY and saying they couldn't stomach it cause of the violent nature of boxing, the sad character of Rocky Balboa and it's bittersweet ending... Utterly ridiculous....
@@RiverOfBlacklights well, of course, not all songs, even if they are of a similar nature, are going to hit every person the same way. Personally, I think Jamel is pretty open to new influences, but not all sounds are going to be the same kind of miracle to his ears as others. I love Joy Division... but I also love New Order, who took a very different sonic path than they did with their late friend, Ian, and their former band with him. It's okay. There are tons of other musical styles to explore. Doesn't make Joy Division any less great or influential.
Other worthwhile Joy Division videos: (A)"Transmission" live version from BBC TV show (B) "Disorder" video swirling colors of a drive around Manchester. (C) "She's Lost Control" Remaster 2007 (audio only version). The band only put out two studio albums to go along with many notable singles. They existed for maybe 3 years. The lyrics are often dark and morose especially as the singer's depression got worse. Many people believe that the medication he was taking for epilepsy was making his depression worse. They influenced a lot bands that came after them. The music that they made has stood the test of time. However, the gloom and darkness isn't for everyone but if you focus on the interplay of the basslines, lead guitar riffs it does provide music to my ears.
When Peter Hook performs this song in his shows, it’s a joyous celebration and tribute to Ian. Totally different vibe but the emotions are still there.
They went on to become New Order, a great band listen to their single True Faith.
That song was my introduction to them! The rest is history and opened up a world of music for me that I had no idea existed.
Well, Jamel, don't kid yourself thinking that life is only sunshine and clear skies, there are going to be a lot of rainy days too, whether you like it or not.
If you've watched many Jamel videos, you already know that he has experienced some very "rainy days" in life. He grew up in one of the toughest areas of Los Angeles, an area from which many people don't make it out alive. The fact that he doesn't like Joy Division doesn't mean that he doesn't understand life. I'm a Joy Division fan, and your comment was disrespectful.
all of joy division's music is heavy/ dark mood. people who love their music are people who have that disposition themselves (ie depression/ mental health problems)
these are some powerful songs by them:
disorder
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dead souls
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shadowplay
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Perfect timing! Just came out for my break. Let’s do this! Wearing my blue Good Human tee as we speak. 😃
Thank You Sista🙏🏾
@@jamelakajamal Thank you J! 🖤 Yeah this definitely isn’t an uplifting song. I am with you on the mood.
This song by Joy Division exemplifies the glorious sound of raw garage bands ... Majestic!
Raw, honest, influential... and brief.
This was a drastic departure from popular musical styles at the time.
This was the edge of punk and the beginning of the New Wave.
Also the beginning of Syth-pop.
Give them another shot, Jamel.
Check out Transmission.
HUGE FAN! Angst at its finest lol
New Order is great as well!♥️
This is one top tune I love this song
Finally !!! Joy Divison is life !
If you cant relate to the "mood" of Joy Division, then you will never "get" their music
You’re absolutely right about it not being uplifting. It’s anything but uplifting. But sadly, it was written from a very real place in the life of Ian Curtis, whose own life ended very tragically. And I can’t overstate how influential this song was to much of the music released in the 80s and 90s and even later. The Cure and Interpol have a similar sound. And of course the creative outlet of Joy Division carried on after the death of Curtis when the group New Order was founded by members of the former. I appreciate you playing this and giving your honest reaction to it. And I especially appreciate your dedication to all things positive! 🙌🏻☺️
Great song! One of the leaders for 80’s “New Wave” scene...Enjoy! ✌🏻🇨🇦
...aaaand here we go - the New Wave crashes on J_AKA_J Beach. Fantabulous!! Thnx for all you do. Keep on keepin' on, bruh!
Awe, my first joy division experience had me listening to any and all joy division I could get my hands on , repeatedly.
From my part of the world,what a band but such a sad end to a troubled but talented soul
Heaven 17 - Temptation 🔥
Penthouse and Pavement. We Don't Need this Fascist Groove Thing, and Let Me Go.
Ian Curtis committed suicide by hanging, 41 years and 16 days ago (18 May 1980). He was only 23. I was in 8th grade and my older brother had introduced me to Joy Division a year before. I developed a fascination for the band, and Ian in particular, that was (and still is) hard to describe. I was devastated by his death. A month after that there was a Languages' Week in my school, so I decided to pay homage to him by singing and playing A Means To An End on my electric guitar and reciting the lyrics to Love Will Tears Us Apart, all by myself on stage, in front of an audience of students and teachers. I was only 15.
Had great times listening to this back in 80s. Loved it. Very kewel.