@@paulleach3612 much longer, and not only British. 2005 was the year when Editors, Bloc Party, Interpol and the Bravery became succesful. I saw them all play live during the same edition of one single festival (Lowlands). They all sounded like they’re inspired by Joy Division.
RIP Ian Curtis. A truly unique singer-songwriter taken far to young. If you're reading this remember suicide is never the answer. God bless you RS Family.
Oh pleez he was officially diagnosed with the epilepsy on 23 January the his particular case being described by doctors as so severe, his "life would [be] ruled to obsolescence by his severe epilepsy"without the various strong dosages of medications he was prescribed.
It cannot be overstated how groundbreaking Joy Division was. Henry Rollins said “As far as staggering genius - you will not be able to have that conversation without including Joy Division. You'll be lost without Joy Division. They were that good." The genre is "post punk" so it doesn't sound 0s as it is more a herald of what is to come.
I like Joy Division, but I would NEVER cite Anything Henry Rollins says to assist me in evaluating something. This is a guy who rails against Junkies but Worships Iggy Pop. He has even called Iggy the "King Of Rock & Roll". Right there he has lost All credibility. Henry has No musical talent At All. He can't sing & he can't play an instrument. His lyrics are laughable in their wannabe tough guy pretense. I'll give him credit for this, when he was younger, his charismatic intensity was above average. He's a mediocre performance artist. He really doesn't excel in Any field, & his opinions are hypocritical &/Or ignorant.
@@JohnJohnson-mo4bn obviously he was shitting on addicts the same way Ian MacKaye did because they literally started an anti drug punk movement. I also think Rollins often talks pretty pretentious stuff especially in his older years but saying he is a bad musician is absolutely wrong. My War and Damaged are arguably two of the best hardcore albums of all time. Also how isn’t Iggy one of the kings? Without Iggy there wouldn’t even be Joy Divison as they got inspired by the Sex Pistols and they like most early punk bands got influenced by the Stooges
Not all songs have to be happy. Sometimes dark subjects like the disintegration of a relationship need to be covered. Songs like this can actually make you feel better when you realize other people are going through the same sort of things as you are.
NICE! you took our advice after hearing New Order!11!!!!!1 Joy Division is the band New Order was before they were New Order. Ian's death is kinda the event that eventually gave birth to New Order
For me, what made Joy Division such a powerful and emotionally impactful band was that Ian Curtis totally opened himself up in his songs, both in terms of performance and lyrically. So exposing his inner self. This, I think is what makes Joy Division so brilliant. If you think about it, singers in most bands sing a song from behind the confines of emotionally protective ‘curtain’ that the particular band has chosen to surround themselves with. A sort of emotional defence mechanism. However, Ian operated without a curtain and with his song delivery….laying himself bare, for us to see all his flaws, all his vulnerabilities, put out there for everyone to see. That is what makes Joy Division, so special and an vitally important and influential band. The Music we know from the past 40 years would not exist if Ian Curtis had not been there in 1977 to form Joy Division. RIP Ian Curtis (Died 18th May 1980). RIP also Martin Hannett. The effective ‘5th Member’ of Joy Division. Martin engineered both their album. His recording methods were ground breaking. He is so much apart of what their music sounds like!
Two things that were very important to Joy Division's dark sound. First, Ian Curtis was a baritone, not a tenor like most lead singers. Second, the band's bassist Peter Hook often played the melody with bass, instead of rhythm. They were so influential in their short time, that any subsequent band that came along with a baritone singer was immediately compared to Joy Division; bands like Interpol and the Editors.
The mission started with Bowie and Iggy Pop was caught next by Joy Division and Bauhaus and taken in different directions by many other bands along the way. They sweep you along and if you feel it, no explanation is necessary.
Joy Division is a pretty deep dive, and yes, their music is generally very dark. The genre is called Post Punk, and is very different from the "70s sound". The echoey production is typical of producer Martin Hannett, and most Joy Division recordings. Singer Ian Curtis was a deeply troubled person, and took his life soon after recording this. Try reacting to Atmosphere, She's Lost Control, or Transmission.
Great comment about Joy Division and there place in the musical world. I might also comment on the early use of the synthesizer sound in this subgenre.
This song was written as an answer to Captain and Tennille's "Love Will Keep Us Together." The singer/songwriter Ian Curtis was going through trouble in his marriage after having an affair. He's going through depression. The use of synthesizers increased as they evolved into New Order and continued on. This not only led to New Order, as others have mentioned, but influenced lots of other bands that you haven't reacted to much yet. A good example is "Pictures of You" by The Cure.
Though The Cure were pioneers in the genre in their own right, starting out at about the same time, so wouldn't say they were super influenced by Joy Division specifically.
RIP, Ian Curtis. He had severe epilepsy, depression, and his marriage was unravelling due to an affair he had recently had. He and his band, Joy Division, were about to embark on a tour in the U.S. when he made the decision to take his own life. His lyrics were very dark, but Joy Division was his outlet for airing his inner turmoil. Following his death, the band decided to continue, rebranding themselves as New Order and making guitarist Bernard Summer the lead singer as well. Their club-friendly grooves and their innovative use of electronic sounds cement them as O.G.s of alternative rock, synth pop, EDM, and a few other music genres. Long live New Order and Joy Division, and RIP Ian.
The singer died very young. He had epileptic seizures. He was unique. Love this band. You got to see the movie Control about them. Joy Division is a legendary band and very influential.
Love me some Joy Divison. RIP to Ian Curtis, of course. Peter Hook is one of my favorite rock bassists. Such an incredible band and their influence is still felt to this day. They were doing something entirely different. Unknown Pleasures and Closure are two of the most important albums in the history of modern rock. So many bands were formed because of this sound. Gotta react to Disorder.
This is my era! Loved the 80's New Wave genre. You really need to react to The Smiths - How Soon is Now, This Charming Man, Big Mouth Strikes Again, and so much more.
This is a great song. I first discovered them through reading James O'Barr's "The Crow" back in the '90s because he quotes some of their lyrics in the comics. Great sound, well worth listening. Hope you explore more of Joy Division.
Ohhh you're delving into Post Punk/ Goth territory! Yes! Try The Cure, Echo & The Bunnymen, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Ministry, Bauhaus, Sister's of Mercy to name a few
You reacted to the same band (by a different name) just a few days ago. They began as Joy Division, and became New Order... so their sound progressed post punk era and yeah, they are one and the same. Any of their music takes me back to my youth, dancing with fellow weirdos in goth night clubs... those were the days. They were kinda iconic for the alternative 80s and 90s youths.
Joy Division became New Order after Ian died. Their stuff is much more edgy and dark, and there is so little recorded that bootlegs of the live performances become an important part of the material available. I love a lot of their stuff, but it's hard to recommend much because they are so personal. "Ceremony" is a song recorded by both JD and NO, I like the New Order version better, but it's an interesting comparison. "Warsaw" and "New Dawn Fades" are my favourite tracks, the first for punk energy and cool sound and the second for eerie and hypnotic lyrics and groove.
Joy Division is like a masterclass in music appreciation. I had a friend who called it "very black licorice". Your understanding of the time and place combined with an ear for the details is required to fully appreciate them. They were influenced by The Doors, The Stooges, Kraftwerk, David Bowie, etc... They were an eclectic band that defined genres In the mid/late 1970s most music was escapist. It was meant to transport you somewhere else. With Joy Division, Ian Curtis was writing poems that dealt with his bi-polar depression, worsening epileptic seizures, and failing marriage. "Love Will Tear Us Apart" was autobiographical and was the antithesis of Captain & Tennille's "Love Will Keep Us Together". This broke open the floodgates and paved the way for introspective bands of the 1980s, like The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Smiths, NIN, etc. Going beyond the lyrics and focusing on the instruments, we see some of the first relatively mainstream use of electronic synthesizers, electronic drum pads, etc. They (and their producer, Martin Hannet) we're influenced by Kraftwerk--a German band that started inventing their own electronic instruments in the late 1960s/early 1970s. All this to say that while the song doesn't sound impressive from 45 years and thousands of miles distance, you are listening to a band that changed music, forever.
This song gets me every time - it takes me back to the early 80's post-punk era where Joy Division was a unique band which highly influenced later bands
Oh man, I needed to hear this song today, and even better that it was a reaction from my favourite pair. This is one case though, where I wish you'd known some of the background on this before listening. If you'd realized that your reaction to Blue Monday the other day, and this song today, were so closely linked, I think your amazement would have been profound.
Joy Division was the first New Wave band that mirrored punk and pop together because if you listen to it in the early 80s with Blondie and The Clash it sounded more poppers than it did punkish! One more little tidbit on Monday May 18th 1980 lead singer of Joy Division hung himself on the eve of they're American tour and also on the same day Mount Saint Helens erupted pretty coincidental right I thought so anyway! And the remaining three members of the band formed a new band called New World Order and one of their first hits was Blue Monday which was written about the death of Ian Curtis with all the band members coined it as Blue Monday! You need to watch the live version of shadowplay and transmission to get a more feel for the group!
The echo sound is thanks to the records producer, Martin Hanett. Sadly the lead singer suffered from depression and epilepsy. This, along with his wife divorcing him led to him taking his own life in 1980, just as the band was starting to become a success. A tragic loss!
OMG..... this band is just so amazing and mean so much to me. Happy to see you doing this tune, even if you're a little perplexed by their sound. It IS different than what you may be used to, and it takes time and sometimes the right frame of mind to really get it.
Def 80s. I remember this song from the early 80s maybe. I love the vibe. It reminds me of The Smiths and a few other groups I can't think of off the top fo my head. I was heavily into this type of music early 80s. More on the punk/new wave than pop 80s. I got into the hair bands to an extent towards the end of the 80s, but was mostly a rocker at that point. Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Yes, Grateful Dead, Jeff Airplane.
This particular song came out in 1980 2 months before Ian Curtis committed suicide he went through a lot of trials. Check out dead souls by joy Division.
Giants of the post-punk/new wave era! Hugely original and influential. Ian Curtis was a dark, tragic case, but a great lyricist. Try Ceremony, Dead Souls, Transmission, Isolation
Joy Division became New Order, after leaad singer Ian Curtis passed away. Band member of Joy Division Bernard Summer then took over lead vocals. The band members decided to change the name from Joy Division to New Order, who's hit Blue Monday you reacted too.
It's not a happy pop song, but an alt-rock classic nonetheless. Yes, it's all about love and hurting. If you're going to do more Joy Division, and I hope you do, please PLEASE watch the official versions, not those crappy (and often inaccurate) lyrics versions. "Transmission" is a must.
Agreed. Understanding that blocking is a risk, watching Ian Curtis live is an experience unto itself. His depression, epilepsy, and discontent with 1970s Manchester England all get played out in his painful screams and wild movements.
Released in 1980, but that's not why this isn't a "70s" sound. It's a sound pointed to the future. A music track that truly demarcates what came before from what would follow.
You actually listened to what became of Joy Division when you guys listened to New Order. I honestly don’t know which I like better; they’re such different aesthetics.
When we first heard them in the seventies it was like aliens had come down to Earth to sing and play. It was at a time we were coming out of the wild anarchy of the punk explosion. And bands were experimenting with all new kinds of approaches and sounds. There were some amazing albums at that time. Try listening to some Magazine; Shot by both sides, or Song from under the floorboards. After the singer Curtis died the rest of Joy Division went on to form New Order, a massively influential band in their own right.
Joy Division is a hard pill to swallow - and I'm so glad I did - been a fan of this band since 1978,and admittedly,Ian Curtis monotonal vocals can be jarring - but if you delve deeper into his lyrics - his voice totally makes sense. But if you want to discover Joy Division a bit more,then perhaps "Atmosphere" is your best choice (that song and "Love Will Tear Us Apart" were both no.1 singles here in New Zealand in 1981). Another ice cold beauty from Joy Division would be "New Dawn Fades" - it's a classic sound from the post punk movement of the late 70s early 80s.
You're venturing into Manchester land. Joy Division and New Order, Stone Roses, Oasis, Happy Mondays, Elbow... and plenty from earlier eras, too. But the era of Madchester is my time and my city.
it’s like the fusing of the sort of angular, jarring 70’s rock with disco, which imo gives you new wave (both by influence and literally as the remaining band members went on to form the seminal new wave band new order). As such joy division is definitely a fulcrum band.
You must try Cocteau Twins Blood Bitch or 5ten50fold for early 80s gothic. The lead singer vocals and lead guitar are haunting for 1982 3. Something of the kind you with have never heard.
I was first introduced to Joy Division through my parents, they are by far and away my favourite band. The fact they were only in existence for 3 years yet still have a far reaching influence speaks volumes. Ian remains one of the darkest but greatest lyricists of all time. I recommend the film Control, its a biopic of him based on his wife's book and shows how his Epilepsy affected his concerts. Iconic band
This post punk bank is considered the godfather of the 1980's indie scene with its dark commentaries. Even the origin of the bands name comes from a dark place (basically Jewish female prisoners kept by Nazi's as enforced prostitutes). Ian Curtis who suffered from seizures (including on stage) was considered an absolute genius before he hung himself the day before embarking on their debut US tour.
It's goth rock / techo punk. It was a transitional stage where the sound / style of the genre was developing. Another similar group from this phase is Bauhaus. Not the best sounding music (acoustically, not artistically) from those groups, but without them we wouldn't have New Order, Love & Rockets (plus Peter Murphy & Daniel Ash solo works), The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and many other 80's goth / rock / techno bands.
I don't like to get bogged down in pigeon holing music into genres but Joy Divison has been considered post punk for a long time I've never ever heard them labelled as goth rock or techno punk before I dont think that really gives an accurate description of what they were. New Order definitely delved more into that techno side though I guess
I remember when Joy Division came out , I had spent years as an undiagnosed person who struggled with bipolar disorder. Ian's struggle and eventual suicide helped me to look into that whole world of depression. He and the band will always be in my heart. When they came back together as New Order it cemented the idea of not giving in but to keep going. It didn't hurt that one of my roommates loved Blue Monday and played it constantly, ha. I love music because it can take me on trips. It can stir my emotions. It can lift or drag me down. It can take me back to a time and place. It is the sound track of my life.
Reading a great book on Joy Division and the history of Manchester/Factory and it's amazing to hear in their own words. When you called it alien retro I think they would have liked that! The drummer played 1 electronic drum (syndrum) when they were first invented and that added some. Plus the bass plays most leads and the guitar plays rhythm. And Ian's dancing was real and scary and turns out he had epilepsy and that just made his moves more mesmerizing. And great lyrics. Dark, but universal. Fucker killed himself literally a day or so b4 their first US tour. Watch the Julian Schnable movie CONTROL which is a biopic. Dark, sad but amazing.
Joy Division is one of the most beautiful & powerful bands in music history 🖤 MANY great songs. Like the Velvet Underground before them, their influence and (again) beauty and pure artistic expression they placed into rock music has boundless influence. Peter Hook & the Light is touring RIGHT NOW. You will NOT be disappointed!
Tragic, dark, revolutionary and recorded in a basement sound is what's to love about Joy Division. After the lead singer committed suicide on the eve of them starting a US tour... Joy Division becomes New Order, which you just did a reaction to of "Blue Monday." This is the first song I ever danced to at a real club! Grew up with New Order but saw them live for the first time ever a few years ago. The last 30 minutes of the concert was dedicated solely to Joy Division, with massive projections all over the hall of black and white images of Ian Curtis. Lots of tears, lots of goosebumps, lots of quiet dancing and singing along like we were in a temple... Afterwards, the men's bathroom--a 100 grown men in line, washing hands, at the urinals, all singing "love, love will tear us apart, again..."
Interesting shout out in the song "Let's dance to joy division" by 'the Wombats'! Should check that song out after listening to this one! Very different but an interesting counter song to this counter song!
This was a completely new sound for the 80s -- very influential for the early 90s. Another great, similar song is "I Wanna Be Adored," by the Stone Roses.
I remember seeing Joy Division as support band to The Buzzcocks at the Liverpool Polytechnic, everyone went to see Joy Division and treated them as the main act.
Funny yall bring up Rush. A prog rock band with overproduced songs that were normally long with too many long guitar solos. 🎸. Bands like them (Kansas, KISS, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, etc) were hogging up ( good music too btw) commercial rock radio airplay back in the days. While post-punk, punk, new wave, alternative groups were scrapping it in the underground scene and college radio until they finally hit mainstream during the '80s. Shorter, faster, energetic, stripped down rock, danceable music. It's like techno- punk. They were pushing back against commercial stuff like commercial rock and prog rock. Point is that Joy Division and others in that genre were pretty influential on future post-punk bands in the future like Interpol, The Killers, Bloc Party, etc. Alternative music in general. A little on the gothic rock, darkwave side though like Sioxsee and the Banshees, The Cure, Clan of Xymox, Killing Joke, Sisters of Mercy, Echo and the Bunnymen, etc. I say look at more of their songs like "Transmission", "Disorder", "Shadowplay", etc songs with more upbeat sound . Group stayed intact after their singer committed suicide. As New Order, more upbeat new wave, synth pop group. Similar to Talking Heads, Soft Cell, Duran Duran, Talk Talk, Naked Eyes, etc
Joy Division delved into the deeper mental struggles in life in their songs. The lead singer, Ian Curtis, committed suicide. The band New Order was created out of the remnants of the former band. If you check out the song, SHE'S LOST CONTROL, and read the lyrics you will see a good example of Joy Division's work.
Glad you opened this door. Joy Division, sadly, only released two albums in the late 70s, disbanding when lead singer committed suicide. Two of the other members, vocalist Bernard Sumner and bassist Peter Hook, then formed New Order, the band behind "Blue Monday". Joy Division only had a handful of singles - this one being the biggest - but if you want to check more out, listen to "Transmission", "Atmosphere", and "She's Lost Control".
The drummer, Stephen Morris, also transitioned to New Order. In fact, the female keyboard player that was added was Stephen's girlfriend, Gillian Gilbert.
I'll always have a soft spot for Joy Division. You definitely need to react to a few songs on their debut masterpiece album 'Unknown Pleasures'. Songs like "Disorder" and "Shadowplay" are perfect to begin with. The entire album itself is fantastic; it truly is a one of a kind album.
Yes this was the future of music being recorded in the 70’s, literally legends ahead of their time. Changed music history. After Ian Curtis died the remaining members formed New Order.
Hi guys, still loving the reactions. Ya'll are finding artists that I never heard of. I love listening to new music and finding an artist or band that you just fall in love with. Ok, since it is now Friday I think you should finally show Tatiana some love and react to another Jinjer song. It's been a reeeeally long time since you did "Pisces" which doesn't even scratch the surface of how fantastic this band is. I would love for you to see "Teacher Teacher" but while it is my favorite Jinjer song, it's kind of heavy. For Female Friday I would suggest "Wallflower". I predict that Amber will love it and it is all about Tatiana !
Hey guys, never watched your channel before, the algorithm just put you in there because I've watched other review channels. I like you both and I get your initial take, but I'm compelled to flesh it out a little bit in the hope that you might appreciate (what is to me a genius). I'm sure you're busy guys, but go back and listen to the lyrics once more and you will appreciate the raw emotion of loss and rejection therein. Ian Curtis was already a troubled soul when he wrote this and sadly there after, he took his own life. The band could not pursue the same direction after this tragic loss and reformed as one of the biggest bands of the late 80's as New Order. All love to you.
Shout out to the girls playing! Didn't you guys cover Blue Monday by New Order recently? Or am I thinking of someone else. At any rate, as others have said, this is late 70s British post-punk, and there was an emphasis on getting away from showcasing technical virtuosity and just capturing the ethos, pathos and Zeitgeist if you will of that emerging scene, to pull out a few fancy words. And then their enigmatic and charismatic frontman Ian Curtis killed himself. Shortly thereafter, they added another keyboard player and carried on as New Order and it almost sounds like a completely different band in some ways, it was so early 80's techno! And they blew up. They influenced so many acts to follow But Joy Division is beloved by many. To get the feeling for the jarring change, listen to Joy Division She's Lost Control Again and then listen to New Order Blue Monday. Wow.
Dead Souls covered by Nine inch Nails. Shadowplay covered by the killers. That’s the width of joy division’s appeal. Atmosphere the funeral pyre to the band. New order rose from the ashes after Ian committed suicide. They invented EDM check their technique album
Hi guys, you mentioned Talking Heads, you really need to react to Joy Division's 'Transmission' and get the video of that performance. Ian Curtis's performance is just as enthralling as David Byrne in full flow.
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Atmosphere. Simply amazing.
CANNOT Overstate how Influential and Groundbreaking Joy Division was AND is to SO many bands. It is immeasurable
Yup, the British music scene cited it for almost 2 decades.
@@paulleach3612 much longer, and not only British.
2005 was the year when Editors, Bloc Party, Interpol and the Bravery became succesful. I saw them all play live during the same edition of one single festival (Lowlands). They all sounded like they’re inspired by Joy Division.
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After the lead singer Ian Curtis died Joy Division went on to become New Order who you just reacted to
oh I didn't know that great info
@@captjeter2 Their debut single Blue Monday was just a huge song.
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it is Ian Curtis singing !
this is my first time hearing Joy division. 1 there is a lack of joy in joy division 2 if i sang like that i would kill myself too
RIP Ian Curtis. A truly unique singer-songwriter taken far to young. If you're reading this remember suicide is never the answer. God bless you RS Family.
Very well said ,god bless you right back ✝️
True story. Thanx
Oh pleez he was officially diagnosed with the epilepsy on 23 January the his particular case being described by doctors as so severe, his "life would [be] ruled to obsolescence by his severe epilepsy"without the various strong dosages of medications he was prescribed.
@@hays9008 So because he had epilepsy his suicide doesn't count ,is that what you are saying? Im not being rude i just want to understand your comment
@@hays9008 What does that have got to do with what the OP said?
It cannot be overstated how groundbreaking Joy Division was. Henry Rollins said “As far as staggering genius - you will not be able to have that conversation without including Joy Division. You'll be lost without Joy Division. They were that good." The genre is "post punk" so it doesn't sound 0s as it is more a herald of what is to come.
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I like Joy Division, but I would NEVER cite Anything Henry Rollins says to assist me in evaluating something. This is a guy who rails against Junkies but Worships Iggy Pop. He has even called Iggy the "King Of Rock & Roll". Right there he has lost All credibility. Henry has No musical talent At All. He can't sing & he can't play an instrument. His lyrics are laughable in their wannabe tough guy pretense. I'll give him credit for this, when he was younger, his charismatic intensity was above average. He's a mediocre performance artist. He really doesn't excel in Any field, & his opinions are hypocritical &/Or ignorant.
@@JohnJohnson-mo4bn obviously he was shitting on addicts the same way Ian MacKaye did because they literally started an anti drug punk movement. I also think Rollins often talks pretty pretentious stuff especially in his older years but saying he is a bad musician is absolutely wrong. My War and Damaged are arguably two of the best hardcore albums of all time. Also how isn’t Iggy one of the kings? Without Iggy there wouldn’t even be Joy Divison as they got inspired by the Sex Pistols and they like most early punk bands got influenced by the Stooges
Rollins also said he trusted Fauci was looking out for him. He's an idiot.
Not all songs have to be happy. Sometimes dark subjects like the disintegration of a relationship need to be covered. Songs like this can actually make you feel better when you realize other people are going through the same sort of things as you are.
NICE! you took our advice after hearing New Order!11!!!!!1 Joy Division is the band New Order was before they were New Order. Ian's death is kinda the event that eventually gave birth to New Order
For me, what made Joy Division such a powerful and emotionally impactful band was that Ian Curtis totally opened himself up in his songs, both in terms of performance and lyrically. So exposing his inner self. This, I think is what makes Joy Division so brilliant. If you think about it, singers in most bands sing a song from behind the confines of emotionally protective ‘curtain’ that the particular band has chosen to surround themselves with. A sort of emotional defence mechanism. However, Ian operated without a curtain and with his song delivery….laying himself bare, for us to see all his flaws, all his vulnerabilities, put out there for everyone to see. That is what makes Joy Division, so special and an vitally important and influential band. The Music we know from the past 40 years would not exist if Ian Curtis had not been there in 1977 to form Joy Division. RIP Ian Curtis (Died 18th May 1980). RIP also Martin Hannett. The effective ‘5th Member’ of Joy Division. Martin engineered both their album. His recording methods were ground breaking. He is so much apart of what their music sounds like!
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Two things that were very important to Joy Division's dark sound. First, Ian Curtis was a baritone, not a tenor like most lead singers. Second, the band's bassist Peter Hook often played the melody with bass, instead of rhythm. They were so influential in their short time, that any subsequent band that came along with a baritone singer was immediately compared to Joy Division; bands like Interpol and the Editors.
Welcome to the early '80s world of post-punk. This song is an iconic example of that genre.
This song did not come out in the 1980s…
@@terrybueneman9269 it was released as a non-album single in 1980, according to Wikipedia.
@@BradReddekopp Spot on,peaking at 13 i think here in Britian ,after Ian had died.
@@terrybueneman9269 No, but it heavily influenced that coming decade's music scene (and 90's Britpop to a lesser degree.)
The mission started with Bowie and Iggy Pop was caught next by Joy Division and Bauhaus and taken in different directions by many other bands along the way. They sweep you along and if you feel it, no explanation is necessary.
It's a beautiful melancholy
Joy Division is a pretty deep dive, and yes, their music is generally very dark. The genre is called Post Punk, and is very different from the "70s sound". The echoey production is typical of producer Martin Hannett, and most Joy Division recordings. Singer Ian Curtis was a deeply troubled person, and took his life soon after recording this. Try reacting to Atmosphere, She's Lost Control, or Transmission.
Couldn't have put it better! Well done. :)
@x What?
@x Well, they recorded 53 songs, so a little bit more than two records.
Beautifully said gotham61! Atmosphere is my favorite Joy Division song. Cool to get New Order and Joy Division on this channel in the same week.
Great comment about Joy Division and there place in the musical world. I might also comment on the early use of the synthesizer sound in this subgenre.
This song was written as an answer to Captain and Tennille's "Love Will Keep Us Together." The singer/songwriter Ian Curtis was going through trouble in his marriage after having an affair. He's going through depression. The use of synthesizers increased as they evolved into New Order and continued on. This not only led to New Order, as others have mentioned, but influenced lots of other bands that you haven't reacted to much yet. A good example is "Pictures of You" by The Cure.
One of my favorite Cure songs. ❤
The Cure's entire Disintegration album for that matter. I also like The Cure's live performances of Joy Division songs like Shadowplay.
Though The Cure were pioneers in the genre in their own right, starting out at about the same time, so wouldn't say they were super influenced by Joy Division specifically.
The Clash 77-79 Rudie can't fail, garageland, Julie's been working for the drug squad, I fought the law, London calling...there's a worthy deep dive
RIP, Ian Curtis. He had severe epilepsy, depression, and his marriage was unravelling due to an affair he had recently had. He and his band, Joy Division, were about to embark on a tour in the U.S. when he made the decision to take his own life. His lyrics were very dark, but Joy Division was his outlet for airing his inner turmoil. Following his death, the band decided to continue, rebranding themselves as New Order and making guitarist Bernard Summer the lead singer as well. Their club-friendly grooves and their innovative use of electronic sounds cement them as O.G.s of alternative rock, synth pop, EDM, and a few other music genres. Long live New Order and Joy Division, and RIP Ian.
They became new order after Ian Curtis’s death. One of the most influential bands of the 80s.
Joy Division formed in 1970s but had a huge influence on 80s music. Pioneers.
Understand, this sound is extremely significant, this was in the 70’s, way ahead of it’s time
Joy Division/New Order are some of my favorite bands of all time. RIP Ian Curtis
Don't forget Warsaw
The singer died very young. He had epileptic seizures. He was unique. Love this band. You got to see the movie Control about them. Joy Division is a legendary band and very influential.
I didn't know that. Did he die of SUDEP?
@@jasmirrisno, he committed suicide
Such a good film.
Guys you do know that this is one of the greatest songs written ever probably the most covered song of all time
Love me some Joy Divison. RIP to Ian Curtis, of course. Peter Hook is one of my favorite rock bassists. Such an incredible band and their influence is still felt to this day. They were doing something entirely different. Unknown Pleasures and Closure are two of the most important albums in the history of modern rock. So many bands were formed because of this sound.
Gotta react to Disorder.
Joy Division were among pioneers of post punk gothic, they renamed to New Order after singer Ian Curtis passed,
There’s an adorable Joy Division “Disorder” appropriation in an Addams Family TH-cam daughter dance. The music pairs perfectly with her gyrations.
One of my all time hits
quintessential 80s song.. back ground music in any 80s themed movie.. my high school memories..I still have the cassette
Had the pleasure of seeing Joy Division on numerous occasions, happy times.
So grateful that I get so see, hear, and feel this stuff anew because of you. Keep it going!
This is my era! Loved the 80's New Wave genre. You really need to react to The Smiths - How Soon is Now, This Charming Man, Big Mouth Strikes Again, and so much more.
Oh yes, how soon is now!!!
Never watched a Smiths reaction, but definitely going to search it now.
"Disorder" and "transmission" are great songs for getting into Joy Division. 🎶 🔥
One of the most innovative and influential tracks and bands of all time. There was nothing that sounded like it at the time.
This is a great song. I first discovered them through reading James O'Barr's "The Crow" back in the '90s because he quotes some of their lyrics in the comics. Great sound, well worth listening. Hope you explore more of Joy Division.
The movie also has a great cover of their song Dead Souls by Nine Inch Nails.
@@radicaladz Yep. I still have the CD I got when the movie came out. Though my favorite song on that album is "Burn" by The Cure.
Transmission
She’s Lost Control Again.
Two of their best.
Ohhh you're delving into Post Punk/ Goth territory! Yes! Try The Cure, Echo & The Bunnymen, Siouxsie & The Banshees, Ministry, Bauhaus, Sister's of Mercy to name a few
You reacted to the same band (by a different name) just a few days ago. They began as Joy Division, and became New Order... so their sound progressed post punk era and yeah, they are one and the same.
Any of their music takes me back to my youth, dancing with fellow weirdos in goth night clubs... those were the days. They were kinda iconic for the alternative 80s and 90s youths.
Joy Division became New Order after Ian died. Their stuff is much more edgy and dark, and there is so little recorded that bootlegs of the live performances become an important part of the material available. I love a lot of their stuff, but it's hard to recommend much because they are so personal.
"Ceremony" is a song recorded by both JD and NO, I like the New Order version better, but it's an interesting comparison.
"Warsaw" and "New Dawn Fades" are my favourite tracks, the first for punk energy and cool sound and the second for eerie and hypnotic lyrics and groove.
I live in the town where Ian lived, died and is laid to rest...I often go for a walk in West Side cemetery and see his memorial stone...
Niiice…you can’t go wrong with Joy Division/New Order!!! Thank you!
Joy Division is like a masterclass in music appreciation. I had a friend who called it "very black licorice". Your understanding of the time and place combined with an ear for the details is required to fully appreciate them.
They were influenced by The Doors, The Stooges, Kraftwerk, David Bowie, etc... They were an eclectic band that defined genres
In the mid/late 1970s most music was escapist. It was meant to transport you somewhere else. With Joy Division, Ian Curtis was writing poems that dealt with his bi-polar depression, worsening epileptic seizures, and failing marriage. "Love Will Tear Us Apart" was autobiographical and was the antithesis of Captain & Tennille's "Love Will Keep Us Together". This broke open the floodgates and paved the way for introspective bands of the 1980s, like The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Smiths, NIN, etc.
Going beyond the lyrics and focusing on the instruments, we see some of the first relatively mainstream use of electronic synthesizers, electronic drum pads, etc. They (and their producer, Martin Hannet) we're influenced by Kraftwerk--a German band that started inventing their own electronic instruments in the late 1960s/early 1970s.
All this to say that while the song doesn't sound impressive from 45 years and thousands of miles distance, you are listening to a band that changed music, forever.
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Kraftwerk was like THE Band for electronic music... they arevstill performing in Germany quite often
This song gets me every time - it takes me back to the early 80's post-punk era where Joy Division was a unique band which highly influenced later bands
A beautiful melancholy 😢 ♥️
After Ian Curtis passed away, the group later went on to be the band "New Order"
Oh man, I needed to hear this song today, and even better that it was a reaction from my favourite pair. This is one case though, where I wish you'd known some of the background on this before listening. If you'd realized that your reaction to Blue Monday the other day, and this song today, were so closely linked, I think your amazement would have been profound.
Wow! Never thought I would hear you guys react to this, but happy you did. RIP Mr. Ian Curtis.
Joy Division was the first New Wave band that mirrored punk and pop together because if you listen to it in the early 80s with Blondie and The Clash it sounded more poppers than it did punkish! One more little tidbit on Monday May 18th 1980 lead singer of Joy Division hung himself on the eve of they're American tour and also on the same day Mount Saint Helens erupted pretty coincidental right I thought so anyway! And the remaining three members of the band formed a new band called New World Order and one of their first hits was Blue Monday which was written about the death of Ian Curtis with all the band members coined it as Blue Monday! You need to watch the live version of shadowplay and transmission to get a more feel for the group!
The echo sound is thanks to the records producer, Martin Hanett.
Sadly the lead singer suffered from depression and epilepsy. This, along with his wife divorcing him led to him taking his own life in 1980, just as the band was starting to become a success. A tragic loss!
Joy Division - Atmosphere
OMG..... this band is just so amazing and mean so much to me. Happy to see you doing this tune, even if you're a little perplexed by their sound. It IS different than what you may be used to, and it takes time and sometimes the right frame of mind to really get it.
Def 80s. I remember this song from the early 80s maybe. I love the vibe. It reminds me of The Smiths and a few other groups I can't think of off the top fo my head. I was heavily into this type of music early 80s. More on the punk/new wave than pop 80s. I got into the hair bands to an extent towards the end of the 80s, but was mostly a rocker at that point. Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Yes, Grateful Dead, Jeff Airplane.
This particular song came out in 1980 2 months before Ian Curtis committed suicide he went through a lot of trials. Check out dead souls by joy Division.
Oh man I can't believe you're listening to this. You listened to Blue Monday and now this. Thank you.
Giants of the post-punk/new wave era! Hugely original and influential. Ian Curtis was a dark, tragic case, but a great lyricist. Try Ceremony, Dead Souls, Transmission, Isolation
Joy Division became New Order, after leaad singer Ian Curtis passed away. Band member of Joy Division Bernard Summer then took over lead vocals. The band members decided to change the name from Joy Division to New Order, who's hit Blue Monday you reacted too.
It's not a happy pop song, but an alt-rock classic nonetheless. Yes, it's all about love and hurting. If you're going to do more Joy Division, and I hope you do, please PLEASE watch the official versions, not those crappy (and often inaccurate) lyrics versions. "Transmission" is a must.
I think they have to worry about getting blocked, so the non-official versions work better for that.
Agreed. Understanding that blocking is a risk, watching Ian Curtis live is an experience unto itself. His depression, epilepsy, and discontent with 1970s Manchester England all get played out in his painful screams and wild movements.
Right I've just watched you do joy Division then new order but a massive hit early 80s was visage fade to grey it was just as epic
Released in 1980, but that's not why this isn't a "70s" sound. It's a sound pointed to the future. A music track that truly demarcates what came before from what would follow.
You actually listened to what became of Joy Division when you guys listened to New Order. I honestly don’t know which I like better; they’re such different aesthetics.
“Ceremony”. Best of both.
When we first heard them in the seventies it was like aliens had come down to Earth to sing and play. It was at a time we were coming out of the wild anarchy of the punk explosion. And bands were experimenting with all new kinds of approaches and sounds. There were some amazing albums at that time. Try listening to some Magazine; Shot by both sides, or Song from under the floorboards. After the singer Curtis died the rest of Joy Division went on to form New Order, a massively influential band in their own right.
Joy Division is a hard pill to swallow - and I'm so glad I did - been a fan of this band since 1978,and admittedly,Ian Curtis monotonal vocals can be jarring - but if you delve deeper into his lyrics - his voice totally makes sense. But if you want to discover Joy Division a bit more,then perhaps "Atmosphere" is your best choice (that song and "Love Will Tear Us Apart" were both no.1 singles here in New Zealand in 1981). Another ice cold beauty from Joy Division would be "New Dawn Fades" - it's a classic sound from the post punk movement of the late 70s early 80s.
You're venturing into Manchester land. Joy Division and New Order, Stone Roses, Oasis, Happy Mondays, Elbow... and plenty from earlier eras, too. But the era of Madchester is my time and my city.
it’s like the fusing of the sort of angular, jarring 70’s rock with disco, which imo gives you new wave (both by influence and literally as the remaining band members went on to form the seminal new wave band new order). As such joy division is definitely a fulcrum band.
You must try Cocteau Twins Blood Bitch or 5ten50fold for early 80s gothic. The lead singer vocals and lead guitar are haunting for 1982 3. Something of the kind you with have never heard.
I was first introduced to Joy Division through my parents, they are by far and away my favourite band. The fact they were only in existence for 3 years yet still have a far reaching influence speaks volumes. Ian remains one of the darkest but greatest lyricists of all time.
I recommend the film Control, its a biopic of him based on his wife's book and shows how his Epilepsy affected his concerts. Iconic band
This post punk bank is considered the godfather of the 1980's indie scene with its dark commentaries. Even the origin of the bands name comes from a dark place (basically Jewish female prisoners kept by Nazi's as enforced prostitutes). Ian Curtis who suffered from seizures (including on stage) was considered an absolute genius before he hung himself the day before embarking on their debut US tour.
I adore this song.
It's goth rock / techo punk. It was a transitional stage where the sound / style of the genre was developing. Another similar group from this phase is Bauhaus.
Not the best sounding music (acoustically, not artistically) from those groups, but without them we wouldn't have New Order, Love & Rockets (plus Peter Murphy & Daniel Ash solo works), The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and many other 80's goth / rock / techno bands.
I don't like to get bogged down in pigeon holing music into genres but Joy Divison has been considered post punk for a long time I've never ever heard them labelled as goth rock or techno punk before I dont think that really gives an accurate description of what they were. New Order definitely delved more into that techno side though I guess
Bauhaus is a much better example. And a better band.
I remember when Joy Division came out , I had spent years as an undiagnosed person who struggled with bipolar disorder. Ian's struggle and eventual suicide helped me to look into that whole world of depression. He and the band will always be in my heart. When they came back together as New Order it cemented the idea of not giving in but to keep going. It didn't hurt that one of my roommates loved Blue Monday and played it constantly, ha. I love music because it can take me on trips. It can stir my emotions. It can lift or drag me down. It can take me back to a time and place. It is the sound track of my life.
Thank you for covering, a fantastic British band of the 70's-80's deep lyrics that resonate today
Reading a great book on Joy Division and the history of Manchester/Factory and it's amazing to hear in their own words. When you called it alien retro I think they would have liked that! The drummer played 1 electronic drum (syndrum) when they were first invented and that added some. Plus the bass plays most leads and the guitar plays rhythm. And Ian's dancing was real and scary and turns out he had epilepsy and that just made his moves more mesmerizing. And great lyrics. Dark, but universal. Fucker killed himself literally a day or so b4 their first US tour. Watch the Julian Schnable movie CONTROL which is a biopic. Dark, sad but amazing.
OMG! I listened to his so much growing up! Dark but oh so beautiful! #lottalove Thanks for listening to this!!
joy division master of distorsion a master piece
And three years later, 3 members of this band created the iconic Blue Monday by New Order.
My first reaction when I saw this was "Whoa! They are doing Joy Division!" Such and influential band. I hope you keep digging in this garden for more.
Joy Division is one of the most beautiful & powerful bands in music history 🖤
MANY great songs. Like the Velvet Underground before them, their influence and (again) beauty and pure artistic expression they placed into rock music has boundless influence. Peter Hook & the Light is touring RIGHT NOW. You will NOT be disappointed!
This is post punk alternative working class lads from the north of England .
Tragic, dark, revolutionary and recorded in a basement sound is what's to love about Joy Division. After the lead singer committed suicide on the eve of them starting a US tour... Joy Division becomes New Order, which you just did a reaction to of "Blue Monday."
This is the first song I ever danced to at a real club! Grew up with New Order but saw them live for the first time ever a few years ago. The last 30 minutes of the concert was dedicated solely to Joy Division, with massive projections all over the hall of black and white images of Ian Curtis. Lots of tears, lots of goosebumps, lots of quiet dancing and singing along like we were in a temple...
Afterwards, the men's bathroom--a 100 grown men in line, washing hands, at the urinals, all singing "love, love will tear us apart, again..."
Interesting shout out in the song "Let's dance to joy division" by 'the Wombats'! Should check that song out after listening to this one! Very different but an interesting counter song to this counter song!
Such a classic, I hope you have found peace Ian.
You did New Order a few days ago... Joy Division became New Order after lead singer Ian Curtis died. They replaced him with Gillian Gilbert.
This was a completely new sound for the 80s -- very influential for the early 90s. Another great, similar song is "I Wanna Be Adored," by the Stone Roses.
I second the Stone Roses “I Wanna Be Adored” …gives me feels that I cannot put into words
I remember seeing Joy Division as support band to The Buzzcocks at the Liverpool Polytechnic, everyone went to see Joy Division and treated them as the main act.
Funny yall bring up Rush. A prog rock band with overproduced songs that were normally long with too many long guitar solos. 🎸. Bands like them (Kansas, KISS, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, etc) were hogging up ( good music too btw) commercial rock radio airplay back in the days. While post-punk, punk, new wave, alternative groups were scrapping it in the underground scene and college radio until they finally hit mainstream during the '80s. Shorter, faster, energetic, stripped down rock, danceable music. It's like techno- punk. They were pushing back against commercial stuff like commercial rock and prog rock. Point is that Joy Division and others in that genre were pretty influential on future post-punk bands in the future like Interpol, The Killers, Bloc Party, etc. Alternative music in general. A little on the gothic rock, darkwave side though like Sioxsee and the Banshees, The Cure, Clan of Xymox, Killing Joke, Sisters of Mercy, Echo and the Bunnymen, etc. I say look at more of their songs like "Transmission", "Disorder", "Shadowplay", etc songs with more upbeat sound . Group stayed intact after their singer committed suicide. As New Order, more upbeat new wave, synth pop group. Similar to Talking Heads, Soft Cell, Duran Duran, Talk Talk, Naked Eyes, etc
Joy Division delved into the deeper mental struggles in life in their songs. The lead singer, Ian Curtis, committed suicide. The band New Order was created out of the remnants of the former band. If you check out the song, SHE'S LOST CONTROL, and read the lyrics you will see a good example of Joy Division's work.
Joy Division influence countless bands and brought about the new sounds of the 80's and beyond
Glad you opened this door. Joy Division, sadly, only released two albums in the late 70s, disbanding when lead singer committed suicide. Two of the other members, vocalist Bernard Sumner and bassist Peter Hook, then formed New Order, the band behind "Blue Monday". Joy Division only had a handful of singles - this one being the biggest - but if you want to check more out, listen to "Transmission", "Atmosphere", and "She's Lost Control".
The drummer, Stephen Morris, also transitioned to New Order. In fact, the female keyboard player that was added was Stephen's girlfriend, Gillian Gilbert.
@@comicreviews And then, later on, Stephen and Gillian formed The Other Two.
Joy Division is the beginning of all new wave and alternative music
I'll always have a soft spot for Joy Division. You definitely need to react to a few songs on their debut masterpiece album 'Unknown Pleasures'. Songs like "Disorder" and "Shadowplay" are perfect to begin with. The entire album itself is fantastic; it truly is a one of a kind album.
Loving someone ,but not being able to communicate with them - here’s the heartbreaking soundtrack to that situation
Unique . Such amount of instrospection hurts and rip the heart of every human soul !!!! My favourite song .... My life
There’s no overstating the influence of the Joy Division had on future bands!
Yes this was the future of music being recorded in the 70’s, literally legends ahead of their time. Changed music history. After Ian Curtis died the remaining members formed New Order.
Hi guys, still loving the reactions. Ya'll are finding artists that I never heard of. I love listening to new music and finding an artist or band that you just fall in love with. Ok, since it is now Friday I think you should finally show Tatiana some love and react to another Jinjer song. It's been a reeeeally long time since you did "Pisces" which doesn't even scratch the surface of how fantastic this band is. I would love for you to see "Teacher Teacher" but while it is my favorite Jinjer song, it's kind of heavy. For Female Friday I would suggest "Wallflower". I predict that Amber will love it and it is all about Tatiana !
One of the best opening riffs in rock history...Ian Curtis, rip mate
Hey guys, never watched your channel before, the algorithm just put you in there because I've watched other review channels. I like you both and I get your initial take, but I'm compelled to flesh it out a little bit in the hope that you might appreciate (what is to me a genius). I'm sure you're busy guys, but go back and listen to the lyrics once more and you will appreciate the raw emotion of loss and rejection therein. Ian Curtis was already a troubled soul when he wrote this and sadly there after, he took his own life. The band could not pursue the same direction after this tragic loss and reformed as one of the biggest bands of the late 80's as New Order. All love to you.
Shout out to the girls playing! Didn't you guys cover Blue Monday by New Order recently? Or am I thinking of someone else. At any rate, as others have said, this is late 70s British post-punk, and there was an emphasis on getting away from showcasing technical virtuosity and just capturing the ethos, pathos and Zeitgeist if you will of that emerging scene, to pull out a few fancy words. And then their enigmatic and charismatic frontman Ian Curtis killed himself. Shortly thereafter, they added another keyboard player and carried on as New Order and it almost sounds like a completely different band in some ways, it was so early 80's techno! And they blew up. They influenced so many acts to follow But Joy Division is beloved by many. To get the feeling for the jarring change, listen to Joy Division She's Lost Control Again and then listen to New Order Blue Monday. Wow.
Pressed "Like" just on principle alone.
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Dead Souls covered by Nine inch Nails. Shadowplay covered by the killers. That’s the width of joy division’s appeal. Atmosphere the funeral pyre to the band. New order rose from the ashes after Ian committed suicide. They invented EDM check their technique album
Hi guys, you mentioned Talking Heads, you really need to react to Joy Division's 'Transmission' and get the video of that performance. Ian Curtis's performance is just as enthralling as David Byrne in full flow.
Great band. They were in the post-punk and new wave from the time the late 70s up to the mid-80s.
The echoeyness is the beautiful sound of Post Punk music. Definitely one of my favorite songs 🎶