BYD respond to CATL's new battery with MEGApack Blade battery boost
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- BYD respond to CATL's new battery with MEGApack Blade battery boost
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Battery improvements and reduced costs are great news for the entire world...
Waiting for storage batteries to be affordable before installing the total Solar / Electric System for my Factories 😂😂
not really when its from China. Will be global security threat.
Not great news for the oil industry.
@@Michael-yi4mc
O&G need transformation asap
Either they transform or world transform without them
The demand for grid-scale energy storage is MASSIVE!!! We need all solutions!
Exactly! These expand the total pie. Every bess sold will allow more solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, more nuclear, more tidal etc to be stored and then used when its needed reducing emission! The amount of worldwide curtailed renewable energy is fkn insane! Grid scale bess helps.👍🏻😎
@@4literv6resulting in less cancer, less lung disease, less birth defects, less habitat destruction, less global warming…ccand more energy self-suffiency….feelin’ better about my kids’ future 😊
Good news but remember these are cheap because the PRC is trying to buy the market and destroy all other makers and so control every country's power grids.
It's time to move from centralized power distribution to a distributed storage model. No matter what your generation method the demand fluctuates and that allows time to recharge storage during times of lower demand. That also gets rid of the requirement to keep upgrading lines because existing lines will be enough for distribution without the peaks we have now.
I'm hoping for a "cheap" residential version. My neighbor has a natural gas backup generator and it's noisy as heck plus is needs regular maintenance. It also has to be "exercised" once a week which I liken to a weekly fuel fee. If I could get a reasonably priced battery unit that won't degrade even 1% in five years, I'm in.
I’m in too. Waiting for a reasonably priced domestic power pack
I made my own back-up power system last summer - just got back from 3 1/2 months down south to a power failure here in Ontario - worked great!!
Even current LFP batteries will last 4000 to 10000 cycles which when you work it out is an awful long time. I have a pack and I do the equivalent of 1 cycle a week so my batteries will die from calendar aging before I run out of cycles.
@@rattusfinkus Do you have a ballpark time span for "death from calendar aging"?
@@CiaranMcHale no, it depends on the quality and the technology. CATL and byd are now selling grid storage batteries that are guaranteed not to degrade for the first five years
Cheers mate and well done BYD
Awesome news, lad !
Let hope they also make these new batteries for houses, RV Camper Van too? Off grid Solar Power living totally AWESOME!!!
😉💖🔋🌞💯🌏✌️
Well done BYD
What many people do not know is that in some places the cost of electricity is based on 'merit order' pricing.
The utility needs power for 4pm to 5pm on Thursday. Wind bids in at 4c/kWh and guarantees 30% of the supply. Solar bids in at 4c for another 30%. Combined cycle natural gas offers 30% at 5c. Now wind and solar also get 5c, what CCNG asks for. But there's a 10% shortage.
Gas peakers agree to furnish the last 10% and they demand 50c/kWh before they will deliver. With merit order pricing not only do peakers get 50c/kWh but also wind, solar, and CCNG get the same 50c/kWh. And the consumer gets it in the shorts.
It's not that batteries are replacing that very expensive peaker generation, they also lower the total cost because they don't jack up the clearing price, the price of the most expensive provider.
This is great news for renewables. The bottleneck these days seems to be with transmission lines. It takes years to get all the permits and build them, so a lot of renewable energy can't be connected to the grid quickly.
True but it was even worse years ago trying to build a coal power generator. The big turbines took years to order and deliver. The situation today is much more flexible and improved.
@@krossbolt4100 And there are moves to make it quicker in the UK.
@@ramblerandy2397 great !
Who is going to PAY for all of this nonsense? The consumer, again .
@@robertfonovic3551that's Capitalism 😮
Here I am with a year old iPhone that has a battery life already down to 91% 😮
Dump it as soon as the next model is released. That’s what I do.
You will never stop programmed obsolesion.
Very cool and interesting. Ty Mr.Viking
I heard on otheryt channel that new BYD blade battery has 27% more energy. quite insane.
Why are there still peaker plants operating? Because the fuel cost is way lower than the replacement cost. For comparison, It’s way cheaper to keep driving your existing newer gas powered car that you’ve already bought, than it is to buy a new EV and then power it with cheaper electricity. Smart money says use up your existing equipment until it needs to be replaced.
With the rising price of fuels, and the falling prices of EVs, that break even point is coming sooner, and sooner.
Because why would you ever want a new car?
Great stuff nothing like competition and companies wanting to one up the other guy. Just have to look at the CPU market with AMD and Intel slugging it out, AMD had a huge wobble and Intel just went into crosse control. AMD came back with a bang and Intel had to start getting their act together again.
Let them slug it out, it’s brilliant.
I was just thinking that CATL and BYD will be like the Intel and AMD of the battery world myself! This can only benefit consumers as they push each other to new heights.
Amen great news. Fun and games from them is a positive 😂😊
great vids ...
Big coal and big oil 's control on the world is still strong and the transition they will fight ..
already convincing US to ban this type of technology imports or tariffing it incredibly high ..
these are truly great solutions for the planet and poorer countries .. and imagine if fifty years ago the world had this technology and how cleaner the world would be from coal etc
lets hope these become a global trend and success 🙏
High energy density battery are designed for cars because cars has to to carry the heavy battery. But Energy storage batteries it is sitting on ground, usually in remote places where the land is cheap. It can be stacked up if land is limited. Why CATL and BYD not advertise the new battery in a car.?
Because, except for China, Southeast Asia & Israel, no one is buying Chinese-brand cars, at least in volumes that matter.
@@magnuslarsson337 I have a BYD car here in Australia. It's great. They are as good as a Mercedes. I had a AMG Merc and sold it because it is obsolete compared to electric vehicles.
the actual question is: why catl and byd don't post these batteries in their website so companies and people can order like tesla does on their website
@@krossbolt4100My brother in NZ has a BYD and likes it.
@magnuslarsson337
Wrong. Brazil, Australia, NZ,Central Asia,Russia( since western sanction) Gulf countries as well. It seems Even Ireland has now started taking a liking for Chinese evs. These are early days yet.
good news indeed
I wouldn't go as far as to say all peaker plants, or coal plants, will disappear. The Mega packs will definitely take a bite of those markets. But is it a solution for seasonal storage, e.g. during the Winter? In the case of China, I'll be convinced when they start shutting down their coal plants, and able to run solely on renewables + storage. This is given their energy intensive manufacturing economy.
Until the fusion nuclear system are in will China shut down their coal fired power plant but it will definitely happen in the next 20 years, within my lifetime.
More and more renewables will be supplementing the fossil fuel power plant every year and it will be just a matter of time when they will become redundant.
China won’t do it soon because they have s lot of coal miners to keep happy.
Duopoly, not monopoly. Maybe just two leaders in a field of many others
oof, that oneupmanship
D measuring exercise.😂
that is If what they're claiming is true, they've lied about other things before.
I don’t see any wind farm to charge the batteries? Isn’t that the theory of having a battery pack?
Not necessarily. Supplementing renewable energy is one of the use cases, but the other use case is to replace peaker plants.
And I'm not sure what you mean by no wind turbines. Both wind turbines and solar panels are being installed at an accelerating rate
This is why competition is good
What will happen to all gigantic battery factories that rely on current tecnology? Will they survive?
Good for daily intermittency but weekly, monthly and seasonal variability will be difficult problem for batterie to solve.. Gas Turbine Peaker plants will be able to be run on hydrogen, methanol or other synthesized fuels.. These synthesized fuels are the most economical solution for seasonal energy storage as well as transporting energy between continents they will also be needed for making fertilizer and plastics etc.....
No. Batteries, getting cheaper every year, will permeate throughout the grid system and become the main reservoirs of solar and renewable power (hydro, wind). Hydrogen will be used for niche applications.
@@krossbolt4100the energy required to convert water to hydrogen, compress, store and transport and oxygen, is more than the stored hydrogen releases on use. Niche is right. 👍
@@andrewsaint6581 Peak energy production produce surpluses that will make electricity cost free or near to it, such is the case already in some places in spring.. With super cheap electricity it doesn't matter is its only 30% efficient as if the power that being generated is not used its just being thrown away..
You are never going to store electricity efficiently in a batteries from power excess April and may to power hungry August and September.. Solar will produce a similar differential between summer and winter so a long term way to store energy is needed..
@@krossbolt4100True.
Couple of days iof storage is needed.
Again today who's the best CEO Wang BYD you keep winning.
you dont believe it well it is china, but this is the point to look for if we say batterys
are close the same in quality to see the different look to the weight per watt or kwh
The BYD MC Cube-T has significantly more than twice the volumetric energy density of the Tesla "Megapack." And please stop using Tesla jargon for other brands.
Again you keep assuming that peaker plants are only on for a few hours here and a few hours there.
In the UK back on the 26th of December 1962 it started to snow. And it did not stop snowing until early March 1963. And because it was a blocking high over the uk , there was very little wind.
Yes that is s once or twice in a life time event, but you have to allow for it.
You can not just say "... Ok it's the 5th Jan 1963 you have had your ten days of backup battery power , sorry you are now 'screwed' and will freeze to death for the next 2 months, because we shut down all the gas and coal plants" 😊
This is why Nuclear, Hydropower and geothermal also has to be developed more in the UK which will give constant clean energy. Countries like Sweden, Canada and Brazil already generate over 90% of their electricity from hydro power and have done for a long time.
@@rtmclean484 hydropower and geothermal are good but the uk is already using most of the hydro we have. And we would need to dig very deep to find any good geothermal, we are not iceland or Italy.
We are building more nuclear , but again, it is so costly to build that to make it cost effective it really needs to run all the time. Remember that is why we built our pumped storage stations. To store our excess overnight nuclear power. Long before bulk wind and solar came on the scene.
@@patdbean UK has plenty of untapped Hydro potential, take a look on google for info on this, to quote one study by a strategic institute:
"With a feasible hydropower production potential of 130,000 GWh/year, it has been estimated that only 25% of its capabilities have been currently capitalised on."
As for Geothermal the reason I mentioned it is due to new advanced drilling techniques that have only been developed in the last few years. Soon we should be able to drill wholes 10km deep which means geothermal will be an option in the UK. As you said Nuclear is expensive and takes a long time to build out so tapping these other sources of constant, reliable green energy will be vital in the UK's energy mix going forward.
But yeah take a look on youtube here for an English guy called "Just have a think" talking about the new drilling techniques for geothermal energy.
i wonder if there power management system is close to as good as tesla's ones are. but great news and we knew they were coming
I’m all for cheaper battery prices, but give thanks to Indonesia’s environmental destruction for giving us cheaper nickel.
Made possible by new coal plants for power and refining.
When EVs are cheaper, I will buy, but don’t be blind of how it’s made possible
The LFP batteries in these megapacks contains no nickel, so I hope Indonesia has a backup plan. Destroying their environment is not a good idea.
@@gpsfinancial6988That’s great news! Wasn’t aware of that.
The Indonesian Nickel mining/refining was a big deal with China.
Aus has been closing Nickel mines as they can’t complete with the toxic/cheap refining.
Indonesian people and environment will be very happy if it’s shut down
🙂
0:01 No surprise. You are getting 'shocked' a lot lately 😆
I’m all for replacing peaker plants with renewable energy and battery storage. I’m wondering if indeed the demise of peaker plants might be delayed, however, due to Elon Musk’s prediction that as AI development explodes in size, along with its corresponding increase in power-hungry chips, and the rise of electric vehicles (EVs) supplanting internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, there will be a huge electrical energy shortage in the near future. But I hope you are right. I wish all of our energy production were green!
Whats the cost of this batteries ?
(Per kWh)
Circa 700kUS per megawatt.
@@robertfonovic3551 $0,70 per KWH ?
Installed with transformers, $190/KWH
They're going to ban it in US. "National security."😂
Alf is that you?
What makes these claims more insane is that battery degradation is predominantly a function of usage. Rather than healthy competition, it sounds like desperate lies. One of these companies are in trouble & the most likely company is BYD.
lies? westerners do more
Cope bruh. BYD ev taxis have been running in the city of Shenzhen for past 7 years without having to change their batteries. These taxis have clocked up hundreds of thousands of km in mileage.
What’s a peeker plant ?
There is so much demand for batteries every manufacturer will sellout as long as they make a good product at a decent price. I remember Tesla advertised that they figured out why lithium batteries degraded. Actually I thought it was a proprietary secret but maybe I’m wrong?
Tesla is relatively insignificant in terms of battery cell production and does not make LFP cells. LFP cells are far more stable and longer lasting than the NMC cells Tesla makes.
@@larryevans6739insignificant at the moment.
They were an insignificant car maker 20 years ago.
Energy density is not that important. Price per kWh is the key metric, and smart software to operate it is also important.
Remember it’s mostly about the software. We will see…
...says the companies that do not make their own LFP cells for ESS.
I don't think the price of electricity changes here. The meters only measure the amount of energy used. You can't sell energy back into the grid either.
Meters are bi-directional as are batteries.
Let’s hope this happens in China and they stop building coal plants. US is still building natural gas plants. Hopefully you are right and all of this will switchover to batteries and other forms of clean electricity.
There is no chance of that happening . Most of the SE Asian countries are also building new coal-fired plants. Like it or not.
They don't care about the environment.
AMERICA OVER CAPACITY OF USD 35 TRILLION INDEBTNESS
the question is does the BYDs still catch on fire?
can you bring your dollars? no ropees pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee
Thd question is can you afford one in the first place.
Two best 🔋 CEOs fighting to be top dog, we all benefit. Where is EV leader Mary, whiney Carlos? 😅
YOU are clearly so far uninformed. BYD has been talking about Blade 2 for so long. BYD Blade 2.0 is nothing to do with PV.
Have BYD said Blade 2 is solely mechanical thing or does it also combine to the mechanics of one specific electrode design? Meaning EV and BESS have their own chemical designs while the cell format is the same?
If you cannot work out why there are still peaker plants then you are not an electric Viking.
Hello mate
Peaker plants may go. But 75% of total energy in the UK comes from fossil fuels. This means non-fossil fuelled power - nuclear, solar, wind and hydroelectric only produces 25%
Chinese claims are suspect. Let's some outside testing results.
I wonder what kind of foolish tariff Biden or Trump will put on these battery packs. Or will they ban them altogether for security reasons?
BYD and CATL should focus on the markets with the worst air quality and most pollution first.
that's nothing when toyotas soild state comes out it will crush their batteries
The big question is when. Much hyped up like their hydrogen car will crush ev claim.
Let's hope you are right. Toyota has been promising these longer than Elon Musk has been saying autonomous cars are just around the corner.
As a said previously we need to wait until China has finished developing its cars so we don't buy a car that will be obsolete in 6 months time.
It's ongoing progression. There is no end date.
Developing?
@@justinr9753 yes, BYD has a large number of warranty claims in China & they are changing models every few months, which means they are not fully tested. Changes on the run are not good. Also, claims about battery life & capacity can only be determined in real world scenarios. Adhoc pricing affects resale values & and there is an investment risk. Not much sugn of aftersales service from many of the brands. It is better to wait to see who survives because many of the Chinese auto makers are not making a profit. It's another Evergrande scenario if you ask me.