CEO of CATL responds to Toyota's battery claims: 'unreliable, unsafe & unproven!'
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- CEO of CATL responds to Toyota's battery claims: 'unreliable, unsafe & unproven!'
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I could believe the CATL CEO because CATL is producing results that are showing up in EVs; while Toyota claims have not. Also think anything is possible when thinking outside the box. Admire the ongoing innovations I am tracking (including here). Thanks 🌠
"Also think anything is possible when thinking outside the box." Then lick your elbow, Einstein.
@@michaelnurse9089 I retired the words like "impossible" and "can't" decades ago after an informative "Creative Awareness" Class. I think words have power, and habit patterns with words like that become real self induced limits. ... just some thoughts 🤔🌠
Toyota has been on this fictional battery narrative for well over a decade now. Not enough people are publicly calling out Toyota for their blatant bald faced lies. Cheers to the head of CATL for doing so. More people in the industry should stand up and call Toyota out to produce any evidence of their fake claims. They always fall back onto “secret technology” excuse.
It’s beyond laughable after more than a decade…
The power of Ai can analyze every permutation and combination of endless methods and materials...I'm pretty sure there must be a way to make solid state feasible
@@michaelnurse9089 Thinking outside the box, that is easily done if you remove that arm from connection to your body. Solved.
But you know that CATL and BYD are quietly doing their own research, given their *MASSIVE* experience with EV batteries in general. Watch CATL and BYD show their solid-state batteries by 2026 (shocked Pikachu look).
They are not doing a lot of research quietly. They are doing research, but it is not a lot of commitment. We know this because when they do research, they release patents related to the research as it progresses. This is true even when the company has really good reasons to keep research completely secret, like Huawei/SMIC/etc not wanting the US to tighten sanctions any faster. CATL and BYD do not have large numbers of patents on solid state batteries yet, which suggests that they are doing research, but it is not a high priority.
'unreliable, unsafe & unproven ' -- That's what a jealous loser will say ..... and more .....
@@jrkr7357
Maybe when you finish chemistry 101 in your local community college you come back and comment
What CATL's actually saying is we already built the battery Toyota thinks is new, Toyota just doesn't realize all its issues yet and why we're still working on it.
@@jrkr7357 Then why do we see Toyota new Engine will end EV`s and Toyotas new hydrogen car will End EV`s now Toyotas new solid state Battery i Call BS
You are only one who is reporting this. Thank you for your diligent research. I wish my country (America) would embrace competition and have Chinese EVs.
They do not qualify for competition, they only fool consumers with cheap prices and make them buy more freuently because that crap wrecks quickly. This is how they fooled the whole world for decades now.
I'm an American as well and agree with your wish with one caveat: If the US allowed Chinese EV autos in now without the severe tax premium currently in effect, they would quickly drive all US automakers out of business sans Tesla. Like it or not, our government won't allow this. Hence the current Chinese auto import tax. This may not be unfair. There are reports from multiple sources that the Chinese government is heavily subsidizing the cost of several auto manufacturers (and the EU is investigating this at present). Regardless, you're right that GM, Ford, and Stellantis need to become competitive the BEV production ASAP or they"ll eventually go bankrupt. I do think their shift to hybrid vehicles in lieu of BEVs may buy legacy automakers some time, but the total move to pure BEVs is inevitable IMHO.
Chat GPT Sora Nvidia AMD, USA is the future
Space X future
Well, it's certainly not the first time. You guys also have ban on chinese cellphones, despite every Apple phone being made in China, similarly half of the Teslas in the market are made in China, not to mention the parts of every car in there, but yeah, well... :D
Toyota's solid state batteri coming....
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.......... Year 2077
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Right after their hydrogen cars 😂
Shortly before GM does
Some said 3077 . . .
Would love to see them work, but Toyota has been claiming for years that solid state batteries were on the way.
Not easy to produces world class solid battery for cars. It takes many years to build the infrastructures for battery production. Toyota just started the EV.. not that Toyota can't produce battery, it takes time.@@frankdelao4067
I remember that a battery scientist once explained that it is easy to make a solid-state battery in the lab. The problem is that the coating process produces very thick layers. To make those homogenous is a challenge, so you do effectivly replace the dry step with a compress step. After all, the holy grail is to have coating process that does not need drying and it's layers are so thin and smooth that it does not need any other postprocessing. And..... that's a different thing than having metal-only anode. Just having a thick layer of metal may sound good, and as just mentioned, it works in the lab. But the ions have a hard time to get through.
If ASSB is made to the expanded state the thickness variation is not a problem. With host materials in all layers these cells can be made lithium, potassium or sodium starved. Meaning there is no way to either over charge or discharge the cell. When talking about ASSB we need to remember it is a very broad concept. Thousands of different variations. It is very version specific how safe or how cheap they are to make.
semi solid state sodium battery is the next level game changer... the future is arriving soon. Quality for a price wins every time. Another great report Sam Evens.
Have you noticed that all of the companies that are moving ahead quickly with technology are also the same companies that have engineers and doctors and really smart people as their CEO versus how a lot of these legacy auto companies have CEOs that know absolutely nothing about how to put together a car
Once a great company is taken over by management consultants, bean counters, and marketeers, then it's in the slow dying phase. Boeing, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stern, the list goes on.
Having the best person for the job drastically increases success
Yes I was going to make a similar comment! Isn't it funny how China puts people with PhD as their CEO that intellectually understands the business inside and out and the business becomes wildly successful and world leading. The 2 times the US does it we get the IPhone and Elon Musk yet Wallstreet and a lot of the general public jumping up and down screaming how this is a disaster and we need "accountable CEO's that play by the rules" aka bend over and mold to whatever special interests want them to. If we have an economic down turn in the near future I'm convinced that it is because we have politicians as CEO's that have been fluffing the system for years and fooling everyone into believing the company is doing meaningful and valuable work while in reality they are twiddling their thumbs and doing virtually nothing of true value. The way it would shake out is that these virtuistic companies would get absolutely crushed or wiped out entirely. Meanwhile the companies with PhD and scientists and engineers as CEO's that are doing truly meaningful work will finally be regonized for it and fairly rewarded. Cheers!
That theory is great, until you remember that most German auto manufacturers CEOs have PhD’s. It’s not a guarantee that they will see the writing on the wall.
@@dyneslair3158 this happens in the US because investors or owners want to make quick money. Monetize the company though stocks, options. Nobody cares about long term prospects of the company. They are good at selling dreams, attractive narratives, not real things.
It’s not that China doesn’t have this type short sighted companies and owners. But they tend to concentrate in real estate, private equity and financials. Modern finance unfortunately has evolved to become a legal make-money-quick scam. US suffers from the financialization trend where the smartest graduates are drawn into the financial sector.
Toyota has been promising SS batteries for ten years, and using this hopium as excuse to postpone EVs. The world would buy Toyota, Honda, and other Japanese EVs if they made them with today's batteries and quality tech to rival Tesla... but not if they aren't made.
More than 10 years actually. And excellent point about cells using today's tech are more than viable for evs!
Panasonic held tesla back since 2014 now when that single crazy for the time joint venture in Nevada lead the whole world in cell output for 1 factory until late 2021. Built here in the U.S. and what replaced it? Catl of course whose #1 customer as of late 2021 is? Tesla of course.
The Japanese are to conservative and stuffy Lexus and toyoduh had early ins with tesla so did merc. They all refused to change&learn from the go fact break things little cali upstart/startup. Look whose the world leader in evs NOW though. 👍🏻😀
Toyota is already selling over 11 million cars each year, I’m sure they know what they’re doing.
@@andrewharris3900 mostly politics
Battery technology is improving every day it seems, and weight, life expectancy, cost, charging speed and range all are areas giving improvements.
...the smartest battery scientist in the world...
The Viking has a gift for the hyperbolic. Still, the CEO of CATL is very well informed about what is working and is likely to work. Interestingly, Shirley Meng (a Singaporean-American materials scientist and leading battery researcher) has regularly stated opinions quite similar to those of Robin Zeng over the years. Ms. Meng singles out Sodium solid state as particularly worthy of research interest in a recent interview on the TH-cam channel The Limiting Factor.
I watched that clip. Modest and convincing.
Need to reference QuantumScape. They have solid-state in automotive trials that hols up over 1000 cycles.
The Quantumscape battery is not solid state. It simply uses a separator. 1000 cycles isn't an improvement over current technology.
I've been trying to explain for quite some time on Sam's channel that the safety problem with solid lithium anodes cannot be eliminated, due to its reactivity with oxygen in a crash or when its seals deteriorate, particularly with the expansion and contraction with every cycle. Yet, the obvious Toyota lies have gone largely unchallenged. Thanks for picking up CATL's attempt to dispute Toyota's lies.
"Finally, he explained solid-state batteries can pose safety issues, as lithium would react with moisture in the air if a battery broke open during a car accident"
Like every other lithium-ion battery currently in service??
@@miraphycs7377 LFP is lithium-ion and is vastly safer than other Li chemistries.
3:30 I'm guessing that this is the reason why they're selling their existing technology to Tesla and Ford and GM because they're about to come out with sodium batteries at half the price and double the density
Double the existing density? OK I suppose it’s possible. I’m looking forward to that happening.
Double the Density of Litium? I don’t know how that would be possible.
CATL isn’t selling their technology, they are licensing it .
@@frenchydampier2209 Sodium batteries don't use Lithium
You don't know what you're talking about lol.
@@frenchydampier2209 Licensing IS selling... You're splitting hairs here. Companies generally don't "License" NOR SELL Technology that gives them a competitive advantage.
There is currently a Tesla model 3 with 420,000 miles, still driving, and still on the original battery. If that doesn’t sell you on the efficacy of EV’s, I don’t know what will.
The snag is many people won’t drive 42,000 miles in a decade , and need a simple car that lasts a long time. They don’t need a 2 ton luxury car either. For this sort of average motoring, EVs are too big, too expensive. The other snag is the batteries consume a lot of resources to build, and the recycling of them is not yet perfected. This could lead to a massive waste problem. EVs aren’t the ideal machine for everyone.
@@sullivanrachael ICE actually takes far more resources and those resources are not recyclable. When you get 97% of the material back from recycling in a more pure form, I would call that near perfect. The recycling also have 30% of the carbon footprint of mining the material directly. EVs are far more efficient so the fact that they weigh more than an equivalent ICE car is not a big deal. The degradation component related to time is also not a major issue. There is now a CATL bus battery that is warranted to 15 years and 1.5 millions kilometers (the warranty limit is 85% useful storage left). In fifteen years time batteries will also be a lot cheaper. LFP look like they will last more like 20 years.
EV may not be the ideal vehicle for everyone but they are for the vast majority of people. Once adequate infrastructure develops more, there really is no reason for most people to have an ICE or a PHEV. EVs are great now if you have a place to charge them. It is really a no brainer.
my corolla from 1999 has done more than that
@@yodaiam1000 - No brainer? Is that why EVs aren’t being sold in the number projected? EVs are a non-solution to a carbon dioxide problem that doesn’t exist.
@@sullivanrachael It is cheaper over the life of the car, does everything I want, and is way better for the environment. It is too bad you don't believe in the benefits of science or the predictions of science. No one is stopping you from roaming around on a flat earth in the middle of the solar system in your ICE car.
We need more info about Tailan New Energy and their Solid State Batteries!
semi-solid state only. The GB standard stated very clearly, Solid state need to have less than 1% liquid. Semi-solid 5-10%.
Some people need to look up their chemistry books. Sodium is a METAL that burns when exposed to air (containing moisture) or EXPLODES when coming in contact with water (large amounts). What people are really talking about is Sodium Chloride (NaCl) which is table salt. The 2 substances are very different. I doubt you will ever see a SODIUM battery in a car, EVER !
Okay, now tell CATL how dangerous their SODIUM battery is since you know it better than them. The biggest battery company in the world that is currently manufacturing the safest battery on the market might be lacking some "chemistry books" in their research facilities.
@@MGZetta I'm glad to see that you appear to have learned something. I doubt I know better than CATL, and I wasn't referring to them anyway, just the people who obviously have no idea what sodium actually is. (as opposed to sodium chloride).
I'm leaving this chat room. 😅
Interesting to hear CATLs input on solid state batteries.
At Some point faster charging capability's run into the issues of supplying the current needed.
Size of cables and issues with insulation that sort of power in a device you can easy plug into a car .
350kw is here now I think the limit will be around 500kw.
when will they release their Sodium ion battery ?
(for Stationary storage, were Energy density doesn't matter)
I’d trust CATL and BYD above Toyota on any commentary about battery technology. Toyota has made so many baseless claims about EV’s that their views should be completely discounted. Thanks for an informative video.
Keep up the good work.
I spent 35 years selling stuff and trying to stop people buying something other than my stuff. When you are talking to a potential customer and they are tossing up whether to by your proven but outdated technology or the new better tech you have to sell them on "next time". This means buy the old proven product off me today and wait for the new tech to sort out the bugs. Then you sell the future and the future is your company will be coming out with something even better than the current new tech. Fear of loss ( unproven new tech) hope of gain (solid-state batteries).
Yep, CATL is using the same playbook as Toyota - keep dangling those future carrots (solid state batteries, hydrogen powered cars) to keep people buying their ICE vehicles.
Sometimes you gotta take the risk of loss if you want to move to the next higher level. Risk of loss depends on the position you are in at the moment. Like, when you invest in wall Street, you gotta overcome the fear of loss in order to gain. Sometimes you gain, sometimes you lose.
as a toyota fan it does make me sad to hear this that toyota wont innovate into EVs
Face facts EV's are on the way out - Toyota is just saying the quiet part out loud.
@@xraylife not really. EV are still growing and I will also get an EV. Wished it was from toyota instead of tesla
why would you want to lower your range?
wr
@@xraylife buffoon
CATL and BYD have batterys who are good, but there are other compamies to
look good were do you need them for that matters all will say they are the best
batterys have a plus point and also there min points depending on the use and cost.
Tailan New Energy, sure it's semi solid state but 720 Wh/kg is a game changer battery technology.
they have just started mass production of semi-solid state battery late 2023. The new solid state battery is not in production.
So, what about IM L6? (and can you fix the hole in the wall close to your right ear, I have scratched my screen several times because I thought my screen was dirty)
Why is the CEO of CATL even giving these solid state batteries the light of day. Toyota doesn't have solid state batteries and probably never will.
We know that but lots of investors believe them.
Because research into solid state advances battery tech on all levels, it's also a hedging strategy in case of a potential breakthrough.
Because failure to fully understand the competition is a recipe for failure
@@williamcrowley5506
Boeing needs to have engineers and aircraft designers on the board again. They used to and were a world leader.
Toyota doesn't have any batteries at all, this is their attempt to make their devotees wait and wait and wait. It's like the second coming of Toyota!
Currently the best & realistic tech for EV battery is "fast charging".
Afternoon mate
Sam, I believe Altech Cerenergy is on the right track with Sodium Chloride solid state batteries. Their plant in Saxenhoven Germany is soon starting to produce 1MW Grid storage systems. Let us know what you think please.
Sodium Chloride solid state batteries -- used on chinese cars already. Not as good as lithium. The only benefit is lower price tag.
There are three to four general kinds of solid state batteries. Maxell of Japan is already producing commercial quantities for the medical industry.
I don't know when Toyota first announced solid state batteries to be put in production, but the target was definitely 2022 and not any sooner.
Not sure how CATL can generalize that solid state batteries are not prime time yet when Maxell is proof it is already commercially produced.
Even if Toyota misses 2027, it will have bipolar LFPs and Li-ion batteries anyway, which are going to be more energy dense that today's battery.
Toyota is not putting all its cards on solid states. The same way it didn't put all its eggs on BEVs, which in hindsight, was always the best strategy.
Is Jello a solid or a semi sold?
Damn that’s crazy. Imagine if there was a company out there working on a SSB with a pure lithium metal anode, that also solved the expansion problem, and the extreme pressure problem, and the temperature problem, that could charge in less than 15 mins, and has actually released data on all of the above while also achieving 1000 charging cycles < 5% degradation. Surely they would be worth a mention here
20 years ago Japan released a solid state prototype. To this day it is still a prototype
Good man
Toyota has become extremely conservative compared to other car makers, but I still love the prius and feel nostalgic for it.
Viking, unfortunately I have to agree with you. I think the power grid and availability in Japan is the issue. In the interim we exam all options including solid state batteries and Hydrogen. All time buying options, looking busy going nowhere.
Finally someone calls out Toyota on their BS.
I guess we can conclude from this that CATL doesn't have a viable SS battery range as yet.
CATL surely have solid state battery. The problem is the cost.
What about using the better batteries in aircraft, harbor tugboats ect?
CATL is just way out in front of everyone else. I hate it, but it's true. At least it sounds like they will license their technology for factories in the US.
Bill gate warns America CATL is world class.
Whats about quantumscape and amprius?
it is all semi solid state bat tech , if I remenber correctly.
@@joeblack4026 Actually, Quantumscape uses lithium metal for the anode, which is where you get almost all the benefit from solid state. So, although not entirely solid state, solid state where it counts the most. I believe it was said their batteries are 95% solid state. They have also solved several of the issues brought up in the video. The real test will be if they can produce the batteries at scale.
What about IM coming out with SS batteries EV this year?
I thought Toyota was all in on hybrids. And since when is 37% a monopoly?
Any Solid State with energy density above 350Wh/kg is a sound of future , We will wait for it at least 3 years and 4-5 for real mass production .
Why is Toyota even part of this discussion? They have repeatedly shown they talk a lot, but actually have very little. I wouldn't trust anything Toyota say. Their 'opinions' are worthless.
CATL however have exemplary track record, but even so, they may themselves be working to a hidden agenda, to wrong foot the competition. So I wouldn't pay much attention to their announcements either.
Of real interest is what has been developed and is in production and if the energy density is high enough, who cares how 'solid' is their 'state'.
Based on the CEO statement we can conclude that CATL does not have a solid state battery.
Only time will tell.
Having 2024 Tesla model 3 for 2 months. Not only the car is very good, also the LFP battery from China is so good. I can charge my model 3 100%. Charge very fast, and not affected by temperature. Imaging the new CATL battery, it will be ICE killer
Time will tell, at this point in time we have solid-state super-capacitors 🤗 and sand thermal batteries which are also quite solid =]
Funny is that on the same day Sam posts a video on YT entitled "Solid state batteries are finally about to be used in EV's this year", so is there some contradiction, huh hmmm?
There is no contradiction he is merely reporting statements from competing businesses. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I don't believe the hype of solid state batteries but I also don't believe that they are completely unviable. Solid-state batteries can be made to work but their performance is nowhere near revolutionary.
@@kazedcat I meant of course the contradiction in what CATL and the other Chinese company stated about solid-state-batteries 🤗 Cheers
😅And yet main Street media is all over this claiming tesla is finished because of this break through
I'd like a simple hybrid, not a plug-in, just a simple 80 mpg 2 seat hybrid that can travel 1,000 miles without refueling. Americans don't buy small cars so until gasoline costs $10 gallon it won't happen in the U.S. i never carry passengers in the back seat, so small hatchback with just storage space is fine.
Well you have to ask if CATL as the largest producer on the plot are not doing this (if it holds any water) it just does not make sense, as it odds on that they would be doing it NOW !
Toyota produced one of the most expensive powerpoint in the world: the hydrogen dream
The sequel is coming: the solid state dream
Solid state hallucination 😂😂
Yes catl to say this as to promote his company and too maybe some newer tech he not fully aware of. And Toyota SS battery as now some issues but then some changes and then to have viable battery.
I really appreciate all the work you put into your videos, but on this matter, it would be helpful if there was a bit more clarity on the general concensus of rather solid state are only hypothetical or the real thing. For example, I believe you have put out videos demonstrating that solid state batteries are already being manufactured and in use, then the expert in this video says it is Unreliable, unsafe & unproven. That is a big chasm that I find difficult to square.
"Finally, he explained solid-state batteries can pose safety issues, as lithium would react with moisture in the air if a battery broke open during a car accident"
Like every other lithium-ion battery currently in service??
LFP is very stable. Lithium in Li Ion batteries are not isolated. They are either embedded inside the graphite anodes chemically attached to lithium salts or intercalated in the metal oxide. Metal oxides are flammable but Iron phosphate which replaces metal oxides as cathodes in LFP are not flammable.
Hmm, let’s see. Companies lead by engineers vs companies lead by accountants and marketers. Which ones are thriving?
Looks like "The Solid State"
Are as in the 1950 solid state electronics, transistor
insted of tubes, but it was 15 years before the transistors were good enough. - I feel like the
"mantras" are like....🤔
Smoke, but it is better to listen to people who have knowledge. And super fast charging demands ENORMOUS chargers driving 1000Amps to the car. And at the same time 1000km will propably need a battery of 150 - 200kWh.
When most of us are driving less than
100km/day. 🤔
Thank you! I commend toyota's putting hybrid motors in most of their cars and SUVs. But, it's so frustrating how they LIE about solid state batteries and hydrogen cars being the way of the future.
Hydrogen cars: the fuel cost exceeds the monthly payment!
Toyota is way behind on BEV so they are pushing these fake solutions to convince the market to put off buying BEVs.
💀Legacy auto 💀
It's inevitable
The fact that manufacturers have been saying "Solid state batteries are only a few years away" for 20 years or more should tell us that they may not be the answer we've been hoping for. Toyota and the rest of the Japanese automotive industry are just trying to catch up to the rest of the world because they either decided that electric cars were not going to be successful at all or they backed the wrong horse: hydrogen fuel cells.
hydrogen fuel cell is long term the more realistic technology and far less polluting. It's just it didn't have grifters like Elon Musk or the CCP to push it into popularity.
Sam, ok so now semi-solid state battery tech would be "game changer" but when NIO is going to add this same kind of battery tech to their EVs, it is "just a bad tech / too expensive etc :)
the electric clown strikes again
The worlds largest Lithium Ion batteries would have some motivation for dishing other batteries. Hard to say until we see more solid state batteries with a few years of use on them.
It is a strange comment when only in February it was announced that China's battery and car makers, ie CATL, BYD etc, have united as part of a government-led drive to commercialize all solid-state batteries, challenging Japan and the West in an area of technology that could revolutionize the electric vehicle market. However the CATL CEO is consistent, when startup IM Motors with news of a new EV sporting a production-ready solid-state battery, ready to roll off the assembly line. Robert Zeng, founder and chairman of the leading Chinese EV battery firm CATL, was not convinced about their state of solid-state technology. It will be fascinating to see who is ultimately proven correct.
Most ev and battery startups are just scams for investor money. Every US ev maker except tesla went bankrupt or just a scam like fisker 1.0 and 2.0. Nikola, lucid, rivian are all in this category too.
We are improving batteries at a fast rate - the prediction for power density was way off.
They will have to stop and refresh their chemistries based on the recent chemistry advances in more conventional lithium batteries.
Eventually, lithium-ion will top out and SS batteries will surpass them. But that may not happen this decade.
Happening a lot:
Power from solar panels vs nuclear. We may not need fusion or small modular reactors because PV/battery technology is advancing so fast.
He, as well as Toyota, has vested interest in the issue. So everything should be taken with a significant grain of sodium. I don't expect to see large improvements in batteries suddenly. But they will keep improving and will get both better and cheaper every year for a long while yet.
We lion semi solid state cell pack in the already out nio et7 150kwhs useable gained just 44# vs the existing catl same size 100kwh nmc pack.
You don't call that a big jump forward in cell technology? That cell tech could lower existing packs by 250-750# depending on the vehicle.
Actual solid state cells will nearly double that energy density again, 720wh/kg just claimed last week by another Chinese company whose cells are alegedly already being used in customer prototypes.
And didn't a bunch of Chinese major battery oems all band together under state funding. In order to develop mass production methods for solid state cells earlier this year? Don't forget catl condensed matter cells from last year at 500wh/kg supposed to enter production this year! 😀
Everyone who comment need to know, the GB standard (chinese national standard) has clear definition of solid state battery, which is less than 1% of volume / weight is liquid. No chinese manufactorer dear to claim solid state battery. What they can is to claim semi-solid, which is 5-10% is liquid, which is on sale already. Solid state battery has multiple tech pathways, and there are more than a handful chinese companies are investing it heavily.
These next generation batteries will definitely come. Sure not this or next year but by 2028, I am confident there will more robust batteries and I will be ready to get a BEV or longer distance PHEV, if only because the warranty will cover 15 years, 240,000 km.
Company claims competitor's tech unviable! Wow!
Who knows.. right now its all about secret.. Quantum scape also working on solid state in USA.. and who knows when are they coming out.
The Solid State batterie seems to a Kind of Fata Morgana like the fusion reactor. since so many years we have heard about this dry cells, millions of cycles, seconds to full Charge, kWh per gramm 😂
But many Chinese EV manufacturing claim to using Sold State Battery already like IM L6 so nonsense.
I think Toyota lost the plot a long time ago..and failed to learn from what was going on outside Japan . Just like British companies did with bikes and cars in the 60s and 70s by the 80s the Japanese had innovated and produced the working products that they had introduced to the world by then. Hubris and over management from the top down, do not help you to rapidly switch between the wide angle storm watch of global needs and the pinpoint focus of developing the
right model, motor, control system and battery chemistry ... especially when there may well be no single magic bullet.
A used 23 Model 3 cost less than a 23 Prius with more miles.
Should just call it 'All My Batteries' and sell the story to daytime TV . . . 😅
Few weeks ago, I watched a clip saying a Taiwan company is about to mass produce solid state battery.
In addition, they are going to build another factory in France.
Thank God, not a new battery that would never make it to production
Toyodak 😅
A CEO defending his lunch. Shock surprise.
How would he know what Toyota done? It’s like Microsoft trashing Apple back before the iPhone saying they are working on a phone that will never work….his comments are in the interest of CATL, regardless of the truth
Battery tech whiplash. You reported previously on some rather fantastical claims regarding SS batteries. It seemed in that video they were to be the next thing. Now the guy who owns the company that holds a monopoly on the market for current battery tech craps all over SS batteries. Hence it would now seem they are batteries-non grata.
The legacy automakers spread uncertainty about batteries. Wiating for a better battery is stupid when current batteries are good enough. Waiting for 600 mile batteries is stupid. Next they will say wait for 1000 mile batteries. All the while, ICE cars are damaging our environment. Current batteries are good enough and last for around 200,000 miles. Only shortcoming for current batteries is for a pickup truck that tows occasionally.
Same sh*t ev haters have claimed since the pathetic Nissan leaf debuted. We need 150 miles of range in order to switch.
But average global commute is 30 miles a day. 😀
Then tesla came out with 200+across all it's model's, so it switched to we need 200+miles of range and cheaper than ice with many chargers in order to switch to evs man!
Then it switched to 250+miles of range around 2020, cheaper than ice and lots of cheap reliable chargers everywhere to switch.
Now it's 300+miles of range, reliable cheap widespread public charging in 15mins or less, while cheaper than ice to switch to evs.
And the daily average us commute is? 37 miles and 85% of ALL new car buyers were homeowners with six figure household incomes and financed the majority of the principle amount for their vehicle purchase of choice.
So they do have a driveway to park it&reliable electricity to charge it with. But ev concern trolls blather on about public charging, poor poor apt and condo dwellers, low income areas etc. 😏
Modern EV batteries are not just for energy storage, they are structural. They have to carry some of the vehicle's structural load. The issue for solid state batteries is not just electrical performance it is structural performance. In this regard any tendency to develop cracks would be very important.
Solid state electrolytes have no structural property. The metal foils that serve as current collectors are the most structural part of a cell.
It's all a big business high stakes poker game of lying and bluffing.
Go with the proven expert.
Corporations compete for investors. Expect aspirational and misleading claims from Corporations to attract investors AND to discourage investors from investing in their competitors. Losers tend to lie more.
Some sodium batteries, and some semi-solid batteries have already made it to market. Spoiler, not very impressive.
Still, if it comes from him then we should at least keep an eye out for them. But I'm guessing it's stil a few years away until we see a good prototype of what he's talking about.
I just forwarded this vid to my friend who is totally pro Toyota cuz they have such a huge market cap....I told him they're a stupid behemoth trying to placate their regulators by lying about their progress.
Self learning AI now is speeding up research by at least 1,000 times. What would take us 1,000 years now takes us 1 year to achieve. Funny thing about it - we won't notice that but it will seem as if R&D going on at the same pace as before...because we won't have the timeline without AI to really compare those two timelines.
CEO of CATL said “We fully support solid state”….. just not someone else’s solid state. 😏
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the competition bad mouthing they must be worried.
After a member of our extended family bought an EV for the first time and experienced all its positive attributes, its is now goodbye ICE cars forever for our entire family, with no turning back , no regrets.
I believe in toyota, they are the masters if they take seriously then it will be a great.
Toyotas solid state is obviously pure fiction.
Soon Toyotas will be powered by unicorns…😂😂
...As if CATL (A chinese Company) has any insight whatsoever into Japanese development at Toyota
Time for Solid State Batteries will come when current batteries manufacture investments will return all funds . It is at least 4-5 years .
If all the Japanese car makers are also betting solid state battery for their EVs they will also "miss the bus".
That could theoretically be a catastrophe for the Japanese auto industry because with diminished sales they will lose the benefits of economies of scale.
CEO's of legacy companies never talk-down the prospects of new competing disruptive alternatives do they? I mean, it just wouldnt be appropriate to try to stifle innovation, even if it threatened existing technologies
Oh wait, legacy auto has been doing it for years. And big oil has been doing it for even longer. The list is long, the path is well worn
So why on earth would anyone think that somehow, traditional lithium battery manufacturers would be any less inclined to follow this established path of protecting their own business???
Wasn't Toyota meant to be bankrupt by now viking? it turns out hybrids are out growing EV'S in USA...WHOOPS
OK. I am impressed. How do you pop out all these videos so quickly. It sure can't be Adobe software?
Because of CEO's bad mouth, CATL will lost a high potential customer called Toyota.
CATL CEO's bad mouth is also not stopping Toyota from create batteries. Instead, it pressures Toyota to improving batteries and fight CATL.