Highest energy density battery in the world enables EVs with 1250 mile range
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Please, please, please "Watt Hours per kg" is the unit-of-measurement. Watt is not an abbreviation for Watt Hours and Watt Hours is not a more formal way of saying Watts.
The concepts of energy versus power are confused by the general public, and your frequent misuse of the units is making it worse. The ENERGY density of the new batteries in this video is 720 WATT HOURS per kilogram. This is the parameter that will make electric aircraft practical.
@@DaveBeckwith Nothing wrong with his statement as he said Wh/kg to mean energy density. However, Sam misusing W/kg means *power* density, which rate of flow of energy per kg, and not the same thing.
@Sam. Please take more care with your units! They matter.
Indeed. Makes me cringe hearing commentators making such a gaff and worse because Sam should know better.
Apart from that, a 100kWh battery would still only give the same range. What these higher energy density batteries mean is that a vehicle can carry more kWh for the same weight/size. To double the range (without any huge improvement in efficiency), you would need double the kWh. However at double the energy density (Wh/kg) that greater battery capacity wouldn't weigh any more.
Semantics and terminology aside, 720 Wh/kg batteries will be a game changer.
I agree. If the EViking can't get it right, what hope has the average uninformed person? Please Sam, start using the correct units.
BTW, your arguments don't make any sense with regard to range. A 50kWh battery in a Tesla Mod3 will not suddenly deliver 800kms of range just because it is light. Even if it only weighs say 150kg rather than 480kg. For a start the battery in the current SR M3 is 57.5kWh not 50.
It has a range of 500km give or take. Having a smaller but lighter battery will never add 300kms of range. What you should be saying is that you could have say a 150kg battery with 730Wh/kg which would store around 90kWh allowing for the weight of structural and packaging materials. This battery would probably have a range of 800 to 900kms but how much would it cost? It all appears to be in the distant future anyway with many other factors involved such as charge rate, battery life, hot and cold performance, cost etc. I'll believe it when I'm driving it.
And claims a higher density 50kWh battery is going to go twice the distance of a lower density battery of the same capacity. Cringeworthy.
My grandmothers voice is ringing in my ears. "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear".
Preach!!! There’s a “new battery” every week that’s going to “change the world!”
fair argument
Your Grandmother was wise 😊
I happen to agree, but using your own logic that means I shouldn't believe you either.
@@paulrandolph8469 believe no one make your own mind up
Solving for Range Anxiety (either real or imagined) is getting closer every year....something to be happy about.
People will still bitch and complain.
no such thing as bad or solve or etc or anxietx about x, no anxiety etc, do things not anxiety x etc about things, otherx
There is no range anxiety. The anxiety is about ensuring efficient access to predictable, reliable, fast charging when you need to charge.
@vermontsownboy6957 bullshit. Range anxiety and recharge times are an issue for most people.
@@robertfonovic3551never had an issue with either of our 2 EVs. Plug them in each night and ready to go when I wake up.
High energy density is needed for commercial trucking, buses, construction equipment that needs to work all day without interruption, yet charge fully overnight. We are getting there.
No we are not. A standard 20 vehicle truck fleet needs a power supply equivalent to a small city. A small city of 500k will need to increase its electrical infrastructure 100 fold then you need to up generation by the same magnitude. Auissie burns coal and gas to drive its energy grid. What a fcked up world.
No, sorry Sam, but it doesn't work like that. 50 kWh at 720 Kwh/kg in a model 3 does not double its range. It merely reduces the weight of the battery pack by 500 lbs. This is equivalent to 2 American men in weight. Try adding or subtracting 500 lbs to a model 3 and it will make only a 10% difference in range. How this new high energy density battery effect should be calculated is if you double the kWh you double the mileage without adding any weight.
Yeah, I don't know where he pulls his numbers from sometimes. Getting 800km out of a 50kWh pack means you'd be getting 16 km per kWh (10 miles). I thought Model 3's were like 6 or 7km per kWh, maybe 8 with ideal driving. You're not getting another 8-10 km (~5-6 miles) per kWh just by cutting the battery weight by ~two thirds
Right. I hope Sam reads this, because I am sure he wants to be accurate in his information.
“Apparently nearly Production ready” 😂😂😂😂😂
Sam is clueless and believes everything he reads. He doesn't even understand the difference between energy and power. Anyone who thinks SS batteries OR >350 wh/kg batteries OR both are viable currently are clueless.
He reports on every battery 'breakthrough' and believes it but doesn't think about it 2 years later when nothing has come to production.
I watch his videos for the entertainment and because he is a really good human. He deserves the support. I just wish he would not just believe everything he reads and think a bit.
but in reality- is it a fake news? Is this company/lab created this battery for nothing? Or they will roll out it, but in longer term?@@johannel8104
China Says?
And the magic battery of the week award goes to.....
I still want 500 mile (835 km) range under ideal conditions and 400 miles (670 km) under tougher conditions (cold, rain, snow, wind). I'm personally living with 250 miles but I want more in a Model 3/Y size vehicle. At that level, and with today's pricing, and home charging, one would be a nut to buy an ICE.
How often do you drive 400 - 500 miles non stop??? 😂
@@mikafiltenborg7572 I do and I sure as hell don't need some punk trying to tell me I don't need it.
People look at the range the wrong way. The range is only a big deal because charging takes a long time. If you could charge in 5 min 250 would be fine. To me the problem is charge times not range. If you have fast chargers everywhere on the interstate and you can charge up in 5 min who cares about the range at all. These fast charging solid state batteries would make 250 mile range better then 700 miles with a slow charge old battery.
@@alliefarid3246
Smaller battery packs make the cars more affordable and lighter for better mileage....those fast chargers will be everywhere very soon as demand warrants.
You can have that in about 3 years
Achieving 2:14 Real Range of 1000 km and 800km in cold and demanding condition will be the game changer.
800km real world winter range would be final straw to put ICE in the grave in all developed countries. Right now the best manages half that, so if that is only 2-3 years away from scale production it would be fantastic.
@@christianolsen9781 You ppl live in lala land. The price of energy to charge these pieces of junk already exceeds ICE fuel costs. Your EV clunker will be superseded by advances in liquid fuel technology like hydrogen and ammonia composite fuels. The fuels are cheaper and infrastructure a fraction of EV infrastructure.
Sorry but you obviously don’t understand physics or basic math. Please do a little research on the cost of electricity and the efficiency of electric drive trains before you spread false information.
@@nzer57 More precisely, current EVs will quickly be superseded by newer, higher density, faster charging battery tech in new models within just a few years with savage deperciation the result. No amount of energy efficiency will come close to compensating for the financial loss and who would be foolish enough to buy a used EV at this stage of the product cycle anyway.
@@nzer57 Green hydrogen is generated using electricity, with each conversion incurring an energy expense. Furthermore, hydrogen must be stored and transported to distribution hubs. Electricity => hydrogen => compression and transport => electricity. I have the capability to generate electricity from solar panels installed on my roof. Producing electricity from solar energy is cheaper than any fossile fuel.
I live in Canada. I would love a car that could go 1000 km without having to charge. There places I can't go right now because I am not sure about the charging infrastructure.
In 3 years
They already have them. Just not sure it is being sold in Canada. BYD U8 has 1000 km range. BYD leopard 5 hybrid has 1200 km range. Of course western media don't test them and don't report them. They don't exist.
Duh... you know that you can find all chagers instantly in most EV cars, phone apps, or via a simple web search.
@youngyingyang however, are they working. Are they all in use with another 10 cars waiting? What's the recharge time in those circumstances? 1 or 2 hrs ?
A modern roadhouse has 30( say) gas pumps, each pump is capable of a through put of 10 cars per hour. That's approx 300 " recharges " per hour. This figure can never be achieved by an EV charging site. If I am wrong pls let me know .
@@robertfonovic3551when was the last time you saw someone check if the chargers are working like at a petrol station? Until that happens recharging is unreliable, ask me how I know, been caught to many times and have needed towing due to unreliable charging network. Seriously thinking about an ICE car for longer trips until they get their charging act together.
Another day, another miracle battery nearly production ready...
LOL, these stories are borderline ridiculous at this point. Meanwhile early Tesla Model S owners are having to junk their cars when the battery goes bad out of warranty because the reman used batteries are almost more then the value of the cars at $15-20 grand.
Exact same thing happened in the early days of cell phones or computers....rapid improvements in operation, drastic reduction in price...making the earlier products obsolete very quickly, actually made them look like garbage by comparison to newer products.
Batteries will continue to evolve....better in all ways at reduced cost. The new batteries from CATL that are going in ev's NOW cost a tiny fraction of those that went in early Tesla models, and they are far better in every way and much safer.
@@melleblanc971 OK, sure. Hold your breath, LOL!!!
How dare they.
1000+ mile range does 3 things. It extends the useful life of the battery because batteries lose capacity over time. If 200 miles is good useful range, when a battery gets to 50% of its capacity over time, it is much less useful. It also allows the battery to be charged/discharged a minimal amount on a day to day basis, this allows it to be kept between say 40-60% charge vs 20-80% which should also extend its life. It allows towing a trailer a reasonable distance which existing capacity batteries utterly fail at.
I want 400 mile range, 8 minute charging time, 720 w/kg energy density, 1000 charge cycles with max 5% degradation, and $20/kwh.
the unit w/kg is wrong.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 oops. Wh/kg.
It's healthy to want!
You did not mention Temperature range, self-discharge rate, tolerance to total discharge, faliure rate and calendar degradation rate.
If you mean $20 per KWh in a pack in a car, they'll have to be 1 oz gold cpins with a $20 face value.
Fascinating stuff! I just got a new ICE car and it struck me that this is probably the last of its kind I'll ever own. End of an era. I'm looking forward to the next one.
Why did you not get an EV this time? Price, range, lack of chargers, something else?
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 A number of reasons. One was cost, I picked up a used Kia Sportage with 2K miles for $19K. I couldn't have gotten a comparable electric vehicle for anywhere close to that price, and in my case I actually need and use the space a vehicle that size has. Then there's the point that I spend a lot of time in and around NYC, and charging is still challenging in that dense area. Finally, yes, there's some range anxiety as well. I have aging parents who live about 350 miles from me and I don't want to worry about hunting for chargers along the way. None of these issues is insurmountable, but for me they tipped the scale to an ICE even though I've been in electric vehicles and they are amazing.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Huh. Can't tell if TH-cam took my comment or not, I refreshed my page and it's gone. Weird. Well, sorry if this appears twice. What I wrote the first time was that I need and use the space of a small SUV and was able to get a used Kia Sportage with just 2K miles for $19K. I couldn't get a comparable electric for this price. I also spend a lot of time around NYC and the charging infrastructure there is still in its infancy. I also have aging parents who live a few hundred miles away so I confess to having some range anxiety here as well. Taken together, these all nudged me to an ICE vehicle. But these were all personal choices and I don't present them as blanket reasons. Many people take this issue needlessly personally, like they do between choosing Android and Apple. I've been in EV and thought they were wonderful, and it's clear to me that by the time my Sportage runs its course -- the Honda I had before it ran through 200K miles and was working fine when I sold it -- its successor will almost certainly be electric.
I wonder how the resale value of an ice car is when it’s time for you to sell?
@@robertstout7756close to zero.
Cost? Cycle life? Safety? If these are not good enough, it won't go into many cars.
Imagine the charging infrastructure needed for long haul flights at airports with many hundreds of airplane's a day, I don't see it happening anytime not soon
Correct. The world will never see the battery electric equivalent of like an A350 or B787. For several reasons. Not going to happen.
500 miles (best conditions) is the sweet spot because you would most likely realize 400 miles carrying multiple people, luggage, running AC/heat etc
That’s over 10 hours of driving motorway speeds, no one does that.
Higher because charging takes longer than filling up. People don't have time to stop and wait 30 minutes at the drop of a hat. They will have to plan around filling up even during regular day to day activities. Higher range will allow people more leeway to wait until they have aome time to recharge
@@Lawrence7of9????? Las Vegas is 300 miles from my home. With presentable traffic it's a four hour drive. The only way you would do only 400 miles in ten hours is if you're somehow only driving 40 miles per hour. The ENTIRE time.
On UK motorway you can never sit at 70mph (limit) with traffic & slow sections (speed limits) if you average 50mph you’re doing well. 260mile range on my Tesla is often 4-5hrs of such driving here. That’s long enough sat in the car. 300 miles in 5hrs average 60, to average you have to drive alot faster top end so 80+ for sustained periods. Drop down for traffic/junctions etc your average will still plummet overall. Try 0:03 google maps distance/times in Europe you’ll see. 400 miles that’s hours of constant driving, I’ve driven UK to Slovenia, pretty constant (by myself) through Europe it’s 2 days! Long 12 hour+ days.
OMG, just when I was starting to get worried a whole week might go past without "news" on yet another "miracle" battery...
Agreed, this guy is a clown.
@@Avalanche2Clown is an apt description. 😅😅
Another day, another battery breakthrough. Ho hum .
The major point I can see for having a huge capacity battery in an EV, is it would mean the argument that "you can't tow your boat"..or caravan or trailer or whatever, long distances, is blown away. That high of an energy density & the speed of charging would enable a long range even when towing a heavy load for work or play. And would be quick to charge on a long trip. Solving two major arguments against EV utes.
but how long will it take to charge it and how many time can it be charged?
will there be enough chargers and electricity to charge up?
this is why ice still rules
Thanks for the report. Everyone is excited. The 'carrot' is hung out in front of us...again!
Safety was briefly mentioned, but not enough information. I missed any comment on the cost and life cycle.
The issue now is "Charger anxiety," and Australia will not have enough power for many years to charge cars at medium rates, so forget a nation charging at 700kw.
Long ranges of 1,200k+ will help this.
People using EVs for day to day use or going on short holidays and weekend trips can trickle charge at home for a week or so ahead, then do the whole trip and return home without going near a commercial charger.
Just for comparison - one kg of petrol has around 12Kw of energy in it, or ~16 times the energy density of the new battery. But the petrol engine is only able to convert 20% of this to useful work, so the actual energy density realised is 2.4Kwh/kg. In effect a petrol car carries around a 1/3 of the weight in fuel compared to an EV with the same total battery power. Although this is not exactly comparing apples with apples, as the EV efficiency is around 80%, so the ratio goes to around 1/4 of the weight.
This, with the fast fuelling of petrol cars, and petrol's ready 'carry factor' (i.e. if you run out of petrol, you just get more petrol to get you to the petrol station; no need for a special charger, etc, or you just carry spare petrol if you are worried you will run out), is the challenge to overcome to get mass uptake.
I think the goal going forward is not larger battery packs but smaller packs with the same energy capacity as current packs. The resulting weight savings will increase driving range while also lowering cost. EVs are in the market stage where price will dictate EV adoption going forward. Instead of marketing huge range, concentrate on price with current energy capacity batteries in smaller and smaller packages.
Agreed. Price is the ticket. If Tesla does indeed come out with the Model 2, it will change the game. Chevy had something with the BOLT but it was still a Chevy
Range anxiety is the number one concern next to repair cost and battery replacement.
In order to convince ICE owners to convert to EV you’ll have to offer extra ordinary advantages.
1000 KM range would be a good start. The extra battery size would help compensate for extreme cold to maintain temperature, A/C, music….an EV owner can enjoy all the comforts without worrying about loose km. 500 km between changing would turn heads.
Battery failure and replacement costs. Insurance is crazy for EV because of the batteries. Three year warranty isn’t long enough. 7 year transferable warranty on the battery only would help people to consider an EV.
If you don’t have to charge your car everyday would be great
"500 km between changing would turn heads." Most long range EVs today are fully capable of 500 km range. I have to assume you mean 500 miles. Tesla batteries and powertrains are warrantied for 8 years. Charging daily (assuming you have home charging) is the easiest situation since it literally takes 5-10 seconds to plug it in. Most Next gen vehicles probably will have wireless charging convenience for home charging and you just park and the next day your car is charged. Insurance costs for EVs is about the same as ICE for the same price vehicle. So you are unduly worried about BS that the popular press is spouting.
@@brianbeasley7270the media does have a lot to do with EV opinions. EV’s are great metro cars not long distance or pulling anything, right now. Charging at home is definitely an advantage.
The cons out weigh the pros for EV’s unless you live in the city and you don’t require a heavy truck to pull your trade around or your RV.
The EV battery carries all the operating weight. Heating the cab, heating the battery, A/C, lights…..the creature comforts kills distance. If an EV battery allowed to drive 500 miles and run all the creature comforts without hesitation EV’s would be a real option over ICE.
I believe freight and heavy duty equipment will run on hydrogen. Hybrid vehicles will dominate using hydrogen. Both electric and hybrid will have its place for what they’re needed to do for the end user.
What ever you choose, it’s okay. Just don’t tell me what I need and when you’re on the side of the road, out of gas or need a charge, I’ll stop and help.🤷♂️
@@markwiegard8384 I've owned Teslas for over 5 years and I don't live in the city. Charging at home is a huge advantage for urban, rural, or suburban environments. The only place you charge outside the home is on trips if you have home charging. The Cybertruck and the Semi are about to change the pickup and large truck situation in the next 3 years. Most ICE cars can't get 500 miles (especially for city driving) running air conditioning, etc. The range change due to air conditioning is negligible for Teslas. Heating does take more.
Hydrogen will not happen due to economics. The car companies with brains are abandoning it. H2 cost 3X to 4X the cost of diesel so there is no way trucking is going to buy that fuel for a business.
No need to tell you what to drive. Eventually, most will figure it out for themselves when they realize the convenience of BEVs vs ICE or hybrids, the lowered maintenance, and the fuel expenses, as well as the power, instant torque, quietness. There is no way I would ever go back to ICE after my 7 years of BEV driving. My only caveat is that if you can't charge at home or work, and don't have a nearby supercharger, you might want to stick to ICE for a while.
Viking! Like your stuff. But it's 720 watt-hours per kilogram energy density. Not watts per kilogram, which would be power density. Keep your watt-hours (energy) straight from your watts (power). Frequent mix up. Pls don't contribute to the confusion. Keep up the great work.
Watts/kg is power density. Watt-hr/kg is energy density. Batteries are compared on energy density, not on power density.
1) where does the energy come from to load them? 2) Its cold in a lot of places.... You are just a mouthpiece
I'm glad the US is incentivizing companies to at least make batteries in the US. So many times we let all the technology go "somewhere else". For example there are no LCD panel factories in the US. Even services like IT work is mainly done in India now.
You are clearly unaware of the US Governments backing of loans offered to Solyndra. Loan guarantees amounted to Circe 545 million US. That happened in 2009.
Solyndra filed for bankruptcy in 2012. The company was set up to complete with Chinese panel manufacturers. They failed miserably and took 540 million in taxpayer dollars with them. Google it for your own edification. The US are no longer capable of competing with the Chinese in the manufacturing sector.
Long haul flights??? ...A Boeing 787 uses about 500,000 kwh of energy for a 7hr flight (about 4000 miles, 6500km).
So even with crazy dense batteries of 800wh per kg, that's a battery weight of 600 tonnes! From LA to Sydney, this battery would weigh 1200 tonnes! Good luck trying to take off with that!!! (not to mention the huge reduction in efficiency keeping that weight in the air. And of course landing would be impossible.). This bloke makes utterances way above his pay grade. Absolute madness.
One has to be careful with the comparison because ICE engines (even turbines on airliners) aren't nearly as efficient as electric propulsion. It will be a while before a 787 class aircraft uses batteries exclusively. But they aren't quite as far fetched as your post implies. A 4X energy density over today's batteries would probably be adequate for all but the longest range aircraft.
@@brianbeasley7270 Yes it would be interesting to know the efficiency of an electric turbine engine. But surely the battery weight would be a huge problem for landing? ... and to recharge a 100MWh battery for a 2-hour turnaround, boggles the mind!
@@tomlewitt Tom, Electric motors are around 96% to 98% efficient in converting the stored energy to motive power of the turbofan compared to typically 50% to 55% thermodynamic efficiency of the gas turbine. The propulsor itself is in the range of 70% efficiency. So one sees that the electric motor version is almost twice the energy efficiency. The battery weight is clearly an issue and the plane will have to be designed to handle the landing loads--like landing with a full load of fuel. Also, a downside is that the plane doesn't get any lighter as it uses up its stored energy.
On the charging front, one would guess that there will be large storage battery systems (like Tesla Megapacks) that can charge between flights and also multiple plugs can be used to charge the battery banks on the plane. Clearly there will need to be large feeds to make this work.
@@brianbeasley7270 Good info thanks.😀
a 30kw batt would be nice and light in a small car and go a long way with this tech...
its only getting better and lighter.
Do you mean a 30kw-hour battery? There is no such thing as a 30kw battery.
@@danmoyer4650Stop nitpicking. It's makes you seem stupid.
A 30 kWh battery would only give about 100 miles of range in a typical EV.
That sounds amazing.
Has this new battery technology been confirmed by third party industry competitors?
It's one thing to make a performance claim but can we believe it?
I hope so, the environment would be massively improved if all cars, lorries, jet planes, etc, stopped polluting the atmosphere with fossil fuels.
If scientists can also realise workable nuclear fusion to power the new batteries we could all enjoy non polluting energy!
Apartment or Town Home residents - with no garage to put in an EV charger - 1200 miles range means that you may only have to take your EV to a public charging station once a month or so...
Reason i want 1200 mile range i could basically charge at home for almost all trips
I don 't know. 1200 miles is about 300 kw your have to put in to your car. Home charging with 20 kwh for 12 hours is rare.
A lot of pickup trucks have 1,200 km of range in North America. Where I live, we travel vast distances in our vehicles from farms to cities. a 300 km drive here takes less than 3 hours because our population is smaller. Further to that, charging stations are few and far between here, so having massive battery range is important. If you live/work in the bush up North, it's usually going to be 12+ hours of driving on logging trails to get somewhere with fuel, so most trucks have dual tanks, massive 150L tanks, or slip tanks for in the truck bed. If the weather turns bad and you get stranded, you'll need it. That's why EVs as they are are mostly rejected here. That massive range matters to a farmer and his family if they get stuck in the ditch on the dirt road to their farm, because they need to keep that vehicle warm for days in -20 to -40°C weather sometimes until someone shows up to rescue them.
I would love to purchase an EV but in the uk their is not enough charging stations especially when i live in a flat 😢.
Does your building have a car park? Perhaps the building owner could install chargers?
If not there is at least one EV I've seen that has removable batteries intended for people who live in flats. You park your car wherever then take the batteries out. The have wheels and a handle that fold out like a suitcase when you take them out of the car. You roll them along to the lift and up to your flat then charge them plugged into a normal socket. The range and speed and size are more modest than an average EV of course. But it could be enough for many people.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 I own a space but to fit one would cost a mint,never herd of a car that you could take a battery out if this was the case it would be a heavier car as is the same with e-bikes as I’ve a full fat one and gravel,the full fat you can take out and with the gravel you cannot.
I have seen with motorcycles where they can take them out and charge them.
@@markwebster243 I'm in a similar situation as a leaseholder. My landlord will run a cable off a street lamp in the car park for £1200.
@@markwebster243 it's called the Silence S04. 92 miles range, 54mph. 2 seats. £16K new.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Sure but a car is a back up to my van,unfortunately that would never be acceptable.
Many thanks for the reply and advice 👍🏻.
Any vehicle that will be towing long distances would definitely benefit from a these batteries. It would be a game changer.
Good news Sam
I don’t know where you get your range numbers from they seem way off. If a 70kWh battery is half the weight then you’ll get an improvement but it will depend of the weight of the rest of the car. It won’t just double the range
There is a significant weight savings by putting up 50 kWh battery into a car instead of 100 kWh but it’s still 50 kW and the extended range will come from the lighter weight not from the energy density.
If you replace a 100kWh battery with a 50 kWh battery you get about half the range. It’s like filling your gas tank half full.
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It would be fantastic if you are right. The range and the price are the most importance for EV success.
High energy density has been possible for quite a while.
Problem, the higher the energy density the lower the safety margin. Proponents of these batteries have to demonstrate they are safe under all circumstances of ambient temperatures, accidents etc. It's not easily done.
To get the power out efficiently they need to be much higher voltage, 800 or 1200V presenting further safety issues.
They also have to demonstrate how they can be safely and efficiently charged. The reality is we can get 100KW fast charging with relatively minor up grades to the network. Widespread uptake of 200 KW and above will need major network upgrades.
Some of your facts need correcting. 800 to 1000V charging presents no new safety issues and many chargers already can charge at those voltages. Safety is important so your point is not lost. Today's fastest chargers easily can do 250 kW charging and 350 kW for some. Tesla continues to deploy hundreds of units at these levels per month worldwide. The overall grid does not need upgrades since it is fully capable of supporting those rates today. However, depending upon location, grid feeds will need to be beefed up locally, and often augmented by battery systems for remote locations and potentially solar panels (not necessarily mounted at the station).
Fantastic. This speedy transition to clean energy is one of the few highlights in this depressing world at the moment.
keep dreaming
@@billybobbob3003 No dreaming sunshine, it is well and truly happening.
@@Flickerbrain they cant even make long lasting cellphone batteries muchless giant ones battery powered vehicles is more suited for crap like ebikes not passenger vehicles.
It really is!
This is the real reason why all auto manufacturers are committing to EV's, not for the batteries of today, but for the solid-state batteries of the near-future that will deliver 500+ miles of range, 10-min. recharge time, and 10,000+ cycles, that have a tiny BMS and cost less then today's batteries. When we start seeing solid-state batteries with these specs, we'll see the rapid end of ICE and full on adoption of EV's. Low density LFP batteries are perfect for stationary storage as they're cheap, heavy and have a LONG life, however for EV's and consumer electronics, we really need these super high density batts.
Finally someone with brain n talking sense 👍
Watt-hours Sam!! Energy density and Power are very different. You keep doing this and I don't think one can blame the accent 😅
Thank you so much!!
Everyone in the north would switch if those are well priced. My neighbour just switched his 2019 model 3 for a hybrid alpha romeo, My father like electric. He bought a new one.
I live in an isolated location. (Yukon Canada). 1000km + would be great. Also even in cities etc. for the convenience.
Love the videos Sam. Good work. The currently shipping high energy density cells for E VTOL Taxi projects are the Aprius cells @ 500wh/kg. Still running off of their pilot lines, but showing some impressive performance in real world apps. Several of the prototypes from the east have demonstrated some impressive volume and energy densities but still years away from verification trials in real world configurations. Coming for certain, but not soon.
Sam, LONG HAUL FLIGHTS are not even close with 720Wh/kg, easily proovable with one simple equation, the battery electric Breguet range equation. With the most extremely optimistic inputs to the equation, likely sacrificing useful passenger payload, 2800 km range is the limit with 720 Wh/kg. Without 2000 to 3000 Wh/kg batteries, long haul flights will need hydrogen or ammonia fuel for zero carbon emissions.
Flying wing or blended wing body design and slowing down 12-15% to Mach 0.7 to enable open fan or unducted fan propulsion and less transonic drag will also be required. Currently we are already wasting a lot of fuel without carbon taxes to force greater efficiency instead of maximum profits.
Natilus, JetZero and maybe also Airbus and Boeing will build BWB aircraft which will be a huge advancement in aviation a long time in coming.
As I predicted, it's happening. By the time we're ready for EV, the technology will be far better. Was on the road yesterday. Heading towards Cardiff in Wales. I noticed no EV cars to be seen. It's all Ice still. Obviously are done around, but just shows No confidence in EVs by the general public.. Also hardly any charging stations around. Certainly well behind in the UK. Thanks for the info.
As you are saying this. All I can think about are large 18-wheeler trucks and industrial machines.... With such an energy density will this technology finally allow an 18-wheeler or any truck for that matter to finally tow long distance without having to keep stopping to charge. Because I feel that no matter what. If EV technology cant be adopted industrially normal consumers will never accept it for themselves. We love love love having piece of mind that we can tow a whale across country even though we know we may never need to. Or only need to about once a year. lol
The prospective electric vehicle consumer needs a simple straightforward example of the economy and convenience of owning a BEV. Mine is: 1) I paid about the same for a tesla model y as a top trim Honda cr-v hybrid, 2)I charge at home 99% of the time and my operating cost is less than a third of my previous Honda cr-v hybrid, 3) The only maintenance I have needed in the first 3 months was a tire rotation where Tesla service came to my rural home and charged me 70$, 4)No more oil changes, brake jobs, high pressure coolant leaks, and annoying and fume-filled trips the the gas station. Battery range has never been an issue even though I drive an average of 50 miles a day.
Now we would need a hd pickup truck and vans with 1500-2000mile range and under $60000 ish. This should certainly be possible there is no reason for standard truck from 150(0) to 350(0) or 650(0) to ever cost more than $70k
I hope these new comPOSite materials make it to the mass production phase soon. Even if the battery gets improved this one would be plenty good for cars over the next few years.
The petrol engine can't be improved. The battery technology is improving RAPIDLY.
ICE has peaked and is a dinosaur tech
It's clear where this is headed. I have said for a long time that the future is electric, powered by solar. Solar power can provide way more than enough energy to run the world, we just need better batteries. In the future we will look back at when we used to burn things to provide power and it will seem so primitive.
@@sdickinson5234 In England solar isn't enough. But as you say batteries are the crucial component. Without batteries it means all the fossil fuel power stations must be on standby - which is paying double. There's a new battery system being developed which shows promise in the UK with its vast coal mines.
This is the GRAVITY BATTERY. Huge chunks of concrete are attached to chains and lowered up and down mine shafts. When electricity is needed the concrete is lowered to power the dynamo and when there's surplus electricity the concrete is pulled up. SIMPLES
What is also very exciting for travelers, campers and those people who want to go off grid, is that these new battery technologies will gradually filter down to portable battery power stations or home power walls.
The latest battery 3000wh portable power stations can now be fully recharged in one hour or less using some of the latest batteries.
As time goes on even better batteries will be introduced to these power stations which will reduce their weight, increase their power storage and output and shorten their recharging times even further!
Corrections. 1:09 should be 360 watt hours Wh, 1:18 should be 720 WATT HOURS PER KG, not watts, 1:31 iF YOU PUT A 100kW BATTERY IN A MODEL 3 YOU WOULD NOT GET 1000 miles of range. Even if you put a 100 KWh battery you might get 400 miles of range, as it uses 1Kwh every ~4 miles. At this point it got so bad I could not watch anymore. THUMBS DOWN!!!
This should come as no surprise but it won't stop the fanboys.
he always gets it wrong. it is the pinnacle of incompetence.
Sam pumps the videos out so fact there’s no fact-checking
I do believe he is talking size, not capacity. He says 100 kWh size and 50 kWh size when compared to the current size. But you are correct, capacity and weight are different, and at 100 kWh it would still only be 400 miles at 4.0 mi per kW.
If the kWh per kg doubles then the weight of the batteries halves for the same power, that weight reduction increases range
Or have l got the maths wrong too?
This 720Wh / kg is likely raw cell though. In a pack with BMS and container, it would be more like 500Wh / kg. That is still a huge improvement though. Let's wait and see if it ever hits the streets.
I second petert4393. Please use the right units. using watts for energy capacity is like responding to the question "How far did you drive today", with "I drove 50 miles per hour". Watts is like mph. watt-hours is like miles.
I'm still waiting for the solar panel that charges at night.
Been almost 3 years since it was reported.
ICE will keep going up on price to run the things
Viking to answer your question "Why would you want a car with 1300mile range?" Not about driving long distance it about not charging too often :-) High range solves the charging station issue by charging say 1 every month or so at a high end station say 150KW that might be using a modular nuclear reactor next door LOL It also make truck and heavier vehicles more possible and as you said aircraft using plasm jet technology. I would also warn though it makes certain weapons possible as well. :-o The total electric aircraft carrier ie even the fighter/bombers are electric charge from nuclear reactor!! Pulse laser weapons possible.
Did you see Tesla’s experiment recreated? (Not the car company) Dr. Travis Taylor used two Tesla coils to power a RC boat on a pond. The RC boat had no battery in it. Some day in the future this technology will electrify roads and shipping lanes and even sky routes. Batteries not required.
A large battery doesn’t need to be charged as often, thus increasing cycle life. Also easier to keep it in the 20-80% range. Put a 3000km battery in I say.
What matters is the battery Pack. It is worth checking the technology in a motorcycle, where the weight is really critical and the battery density needs to be high
I like the long length of miles, would only have to charge once per week/month, especially handy if no garage for charger. Just a thought. Would be also cool for long cross country trips, no need to look for chargers!
It is an interesting breakthrough. Fuel energy density is about 1200Wh/kg, but ICE engine efficiency is closer to 40-45%, while for battery and electric engine it is closer to 80-85%. So even the 720Wh/kg battery is lighter per energy spent on movement than petrol.
HOWEVER 😉
If we are thinking of electric airplanes, there are some things to consider:
- when airplane is going to fly on short distance, it will load just appropriate amount of fuel. EV plane would need a modular, easily detachable battery in order to match that. Same for the car, but probably easier since you don't have to perfectly balance everything and losing power is not as catastrophic as for EV plane
- airplane takes off with full tanks, but lands with almost empty tanks. This makes average fuel mass to be about half of takeoff mass. EV plane will weigh the same through the whole flight - and especially during landing, what will put extra stress on fuselage and undercarriage (currently planes FOR REASON either drop some fuel or do long flight-arounds in order to get lighter). This might effect in urge to strengthen the body of the plane, making it heavier and reducing range even more.
Neverhteless, it would be really interesting! Looking forward to seeing this in real world!
2000km range makes plenty of sense to us yobo 4x4 ute drivers. It means there's a chance a decent towing range is in sight to tow a 3t boat on a round trip of 350 - 450kms.
So as long as you own your own home (and preferably live in a warm environment) you're in good shape. In reality, of course, it won't make that much difference in EV car sales volume, but it will help with trucks, work vans, delivery vehicles and medium haul flights as well as air taxies.
EVs market penetration for cars will be limited to home owners until apartments install charging stations for every apartment parking spot.
I live in a mid rise apartment block with no home charging ability and a Model 3. I use the supercharger about 10 miles away once or twice a week - no issues there, but would be a bit cheaper if I could use home electricity and especially solar panels - but they will come in time. Until then, I'm OK with the situation.
@@ahaveland And how long do you have to wait for your car to be fully charged, and how much does it cost per/kwh compared to your price at home?
@@mikeearussi Don't need to keep it fully charged unless it's an LFP battery! Charged enough is good enough, but I keep it between 20-80%, and it usually hovers around 50% during the week where I don't use it much because I work mainly from home. At weekends I can't wait to stick a pin in a map and just navigate there to explore.
In that case, the nav does the planning on where and how much to charge - it becomes easy and routine.
As for cost, supercharger here is 43 c/kWh.
Domestic electricity is about 12c/kWh, so it's quite a difference.
I'm not concerned though - I have good job and no mortgage/rent so can afford to treat myself and enjoy the experience.
Charging time is also a non-issue. If I need to charge, then I allow time for it, just plug in and do some shopping, or just sit in the car and work, surf or watch youtube using the free mobile connection.
Unlike gasoline, I don't have to stand outside in the rain for half an hour with a nozzle!
All in all, I'll never go back to ICE.
So far since December 21st, I've done over 12,000 km, and the app gives usage stats of 2,961 kWh for £1,261.
Not too bad, but if I had a house in the suburbs then electricity could be less, but most of my usage has been on longer trips requiring superchargers, such as when I did 5700km driving back to England and back in December, when range is lower because of the need to preheat the battery. Still, it was no problem at all.
@@ahaveland For your particular situation is works fine. But your situation is also unique and won't apply to the 99.9% of the rest of apartment dwellers. So basically you've made my point for me, EVs are impractical for the vast majority of apartment dwellers.
@@mikeearussi I don't understand how you infer 99.9% from what I said at all! I'm not unique or the only person around here (Hungary) that have EVs and city apartments. May not suit half of people, but 99.9% is just irrational.
One good use of high mileage car is, you could sleep while your car drives you for a long trip.
Not everyone lives in southern california with moderate temperatures. Cold, towing and lack of charging infrastructure make these batteries interesting
Live in MI, no problem finding a place to charge.
I get a chuckle over the Electric
Viking. I’m the descendant of Vikings. My mother is a Norman from Southwest England. Her ancestors came with William the Conqueror who descended from Norse warriors from Scandinavia. Blond hair blue eyes.
Great stuff Thank you
This would be good for motorhomes that have electric generators.
Cost cost cost. Economics rules reality. If it's not affordable, Sam might as well talk about paving streets with gold
Thanks, many are lost and cost is the only anchor. Stupid environmentalists, engineers and activists. Only you brought up cost. 😢
my Xpeng G6 gets 650KM real range. charge every 7-10days 45-60minutes each time(includes driving there parking) and cost $7-9
For starters Jeff dahn. The guy that does the research for Tesla has been working on the lithium metal battery for about 4 years now. They aren't happy with the cycle life. #2 you for some reason thinking that a 50 kwh battery pack is going to go as far as a 75 . That won't happen . However the 75 kwh battery pack won't take up as much room .
I drive EVs since 5 years now.
The battery which would be needed is the following (considering a consumption of approximately 20-25kwh/100km:
85-100 kwh of capacity
Charges ALWAYS without battery conditioning up to 95-100% in max.10 min if needed.
Degradation less than 5%
Cycles 1000 which is enough.
Then better to concentrate on low weight and costs
Great videos, well presented, thanks. But please get your units right. Energy density is measured in Watt-hours per kilogram, not Watts per kilogram. Power density is measured in Watts per kilogram.
Then why don't we hear about this wonderful battery on any news reports are they hiding it because it's so good
This sounds good but we have heard this before with solid state batteries. I will believe it when it’s manufactured in large scale and in cars. There are other companies in Europe and North America working the same approach.
The first Nissan Leaf struggled to go 100 Km on a charge. The new Xiaomi SU7 Max can go 800 Km and costs about the same as the old Nissan Leaf. Have faith in technological development.
1:40 I wouldn’t say “no one needs” much higher capacity batteries. Lots of people would like to haul plenty of camping gear into the wilderness. There’s no chargers out there, so it’s not good enough to just make it there, you also have to make it back out.
Great videos Sam. How you get them out so quickly? Full time on TH-cam now? Takes me 20 to 30 mins per min of video produced including closed captions. I am doing alone.
Any advice, Sam.
Keep up the good work on your channel and speedy recovery .
1250 mile range battery available starting in the year 2345 and they will be able to mine enough material to make 3 batteries per year,,,,range problem solved. Thanks for the update static girl.
You’re right, we don’t need a large range,. What we do need is a charging time comparable to ICE vehicles!
No mention of how many cycles they can be charged...why not?
Thank you.
Sam instead of kw charging speed, 1C, 2C,... 5C is or minutes is a better indicator and more accurate way to explain that does not matter how big the battery is
Batteries are advancing faster than PCs and TVs did. I think there will be 3 new ones per year for the next decade. Not all of them will be for cars but 3 per year.
A high density battery is needed for commercial equipment but a battery that can hold a high kw charge to 90% over and over is a game changer for passengers vehicles.
I would be happy with 600 mile range and 500 in winter conditions. I want the flexibility to drive from Los Angeles to Mammoth Lakes to snowboard and have worry free range to be in the mountains a few days with minimal charging and I can return all in one trip or a 30 min pit stop.
but a 1k plus range would be a quick seller for me. I'd sell my ICE to fund the purchase of one. at a decent price. under 60k
Of course, it is an advantage if I charge only once or twice a month, without constantly thinking about where I will charge again. To go somewhere and stand without calculating, just drink coffee or eat a sandwich or go to the toilet. It's called the feeling of freedom without constantly dealing with the car and electricity.
no word on number of cycles, and holding time, eh? And will it fit in a 4680 form factor? Color me skeptical. Excited, too, but skeptical.
I can see that some people would like 1200 miles, 1. Selfdrive car, 2. use as backup energy for your home.
I am confused. First we have the Qilin battery, which is made by CATL and used in Li Auto Mega and as I understand it in the Zeekr 001 version in China. It has a fast charge time at about 12 minutes, if you have a charger that can deliver so much. Li Auto has their own charge network with this power. Then there is something called the Shenxing battery. Also CATL I believe. One of these will be used by Tesla as I understand it. And Huawei use one of these in their new car as I understand it. And then we have IM Motors who have a Solid State battery in a car (LS6?) which will be presented April 8th, and the car will start selling in China in May. Now this battery from Talent is presented as the first Solid State battery.
I would like a video clarifying all these different batteries, where they are in use and in what, when they are planned to be in use, what the prices are or will be if known.
Trucks and other heavy vehicles would make use of a super large battery of this density, but for everyone else a smaller and lighter battery would be the smarter choice, as lighter battery helps range and a smaller battery helps costs.
Think there might have been a mistake if you put a 50kwh battery in a model 3 of this battery, it would not make the model 3 do 10 miles per kilowatts.
Although if you took the weight of a normal 50 kwh battery and swap the weight giving 100kwh then 500 miles would be achievable, now put it in an apterra and you would nearly never have to charge
Yeah, not sure if he was on a few too many pain killers or something when he made up those numbers 😅
At this stage even a long time supporter like myself is starting to doubt if Sam is using AI to pump out videos at this pace 🤔
So inaccurate as well.
We might be at that point but until the problem of mass production is solved I am not counting on it! Eventually sure! Got to see it to believe it at this point! Wish they would hurry up and do it! Hopefully the materials for that high density battery are not expensive!
I will stay with may 2.0 Lt diesel Allroad 1100 Klm range, 5 minute recharge (Refill) and go another 1100 Klms.. and just keep going .. .. Like to see can you achieve that in your EV
Can you charge your car from Solar Panels on the roof ? Can you then use the cars battery as a house battery ? If you don't need huge range then EV's with Solar are unbeatable and the good news they keep getting cheaper each year.
@@TimMountjoy-zy2fd - yeah, those solar panels work really well every night, just like albosleazy said....