Swedish Transport Admin tests Tesla's FSD: 'impressive smooth & natural'
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- Swedish Transport Admin tests Tesla's FSD: 'impressive smooth & natural'
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Doesn't surprise that Sweden is a forerunner to embrace FSD technology,. The Swedes are one of the top coountries in the world that are quick to utilise and create better technology.
They are 10,49 million. That's a village in China and India.
@@chillfluencer?
@@callmebigpapaHis point is when you have these tiny countries you can turn on a dime.
@@fractalelf7760 So can big countries look how fast China went from 0 -50% BEV adoption.....the rate of change is insane when the GOV mandates it :P
We in Sweden are often drivers that keeps to the rules of trafic, ofcourse are there driver that don´t give a crap abut the rules but most driver do in Sweden.
Give it five years, it will happen and will help save lives, make roads safer for all.
3-6 months max
Congratulations Sweden.
In theory, Tesla could come to an arrangement with any of the 5 or 6 million Tesla car owners with FSD capability to rent out their cars when not in use for a shared income. Between that, and the ability to feed back to the grid, Tesla owners might have quite a few options open to them to earn some money from their vehicles. At 65 believe it or not I remember a time as a child in the sixties in my little town here in the west of Ireland when it was all Ford Prefects (one colour only, black) and donkeys and carts. So glad to have lived to see the extraordinary changes that have happened only in the last five to ten years, and the pace of that change is increasing rapidly. These are indeed exciting times and I can only imagine the advances that just the next five years will bring. Add to that the benefits for all of us with a cleaner, quieter and more sustainable world that future generations can, and will enjoy. People like yourself are helping us all to understand that in simple and honest terms. Long may you continue. 😊😊
Great stuff Sam
I think it will happen very soon cheers mate
Morning mate
Man, that rainy windshield looks tiny compared to Cybertruck's view. Maybe I like big cars!
Sam as you know it is beyond amazing
Great news. Best channel.
Hey EV you need to do a video on the big 650 million TESLA got the NEOEN COLLIE factory going to be the biggest battery energy storage
IMO, m/l China will be a challenge. Their driving norms are quite different to other places - for example, at junctions, traffic turns in front of oncoming traffic, rather than giving way. It's very different.
So what? If humans can learn, computer can copy local behaviour.
Jeez, Tesla even learned to not roll through STOP signs.
Took a bit of effort, but it’s a NHTSA darling now.
He’s right though. China and India (even more so) will be a challenge. So those machines will either have their training fine-tuned or the emergent behavior is that the driving patterns normalize to what’s expected because a bunch more cars are going to follow the laws more closely.
@davidmaxwaterman FSD is trained using local video footage of people driving (ie there will be multiple FSD versions to suit different regions/countries) so it will pick up all their mannerisms (good and bad) automatically. As was mentioned above FSD in the US/Canada had to be adjusted because it was found 98% of people were breaking the law by not coming to a full stop at stop signs. FSD picked up their bad half-stopping habits and made it a rule. This rule had to be undone. Tesla's QA involves making sure the driving mannerisms seen by the AI are still following road rules.
@@someuser7501 you are correct, but I wonder if "wisdom of the crowd" will eventually overrule that of bureaucracy?
FSD can see everywhere at once, speed of re-calculation improving rapidly.
Many stop signs are obsequiousness to safety gods, are over-cautious.
Australia has plague of small round-abouts. The rules are religiously ignored, would now be risky to try to enforce.
Asia often uses pressure of numbers, 20 motorbikes can over-rule a car, but not a truck.
Flooding a city with robotaxis will change the dynamics, the norm. Esp if they look like a tank. ;-)
China already has lots of public buses tha use fsd. Admittedly they run on designated bus routes in major cities, but they have them and have been running for years. The main issue is for the government to have a practical regulatory system in place for allowing full fsd insurance and to cover corporate liability for deaths. Once the regulations are in place then Fsd will take off very fast, like seat belts and electric windows etc. China could have regional or city rules, where regions or cities are approved for fsd and some area of the country are not approved until those region meet certain requirements. One thing I don’t understand about Tesla fsd, is why people pay for it when it is not fsd. I would o ly pay for fsd if it was true fsd, where my insurance would cover the car driving a child by themselves, no driver.
Sam, if this does happen it will certainly change the way we live, and even the housing market since distance between your work and your home is not a big deal anymore !
@robertbidochon7949 this has been a topic of discussion. The US was able to go from urbanization to suburbanization in the 1950s due to far cheaper gasoline prices compared to other countries. Other countries high gasoline prices led to their increased urbanization. Now with EVs possibly leveling the playing field will other countries suddenly do the same reverse the US did and see the same rise of suburbanization.
@@someuser7501 Sweet !
needs more cow bell
How does FSD do in snow when you can't see the paint on the road?
Still does very well. It has been tested in many different environments.
Maybe shut down IF Metal!
My ùnderstand is if FSD Supervised gets approval by an a European regulator it will apply in all countries that use the EEC regulations.
it wont be.
Is the human the biggest cost for didi/uber? I'd be surprised if the insurance isn't as big or bigger. How does insurance work without a driver?
If there's an accident the insurance company pays - it's not complicated,. It's amazing how people love asking this question, given that it has such a simple answer.
We won't need insurance thievery just like rip orf dealer networks......
@@danielstapler4315 If the accident rates for FSD prove to be lower than human drivers, premiums could theoretically drop (yes, I'm sure insurance companies would come up with some excuse not to)
@@regisgilben8488 The difference is that with a company owning the taxis, if negligence is shown, then punitive damages could be awarded. So an accident where someone is seriously injured and that might cost $1m for an insurance company of an individual could cost $100m for the insurance company of a robotaxi. This is why robotaxi insurance at the moment is many time higher than normal insurance. But over time, it should come down
Our media in Austria is claiming, Mercedes and others are ahead🤦♂️
Mercedes is well ahead, this channel is here to pump up Tesla stock .
Who the f+@k wants FSD anyway?
@@interman7715 One perfect use case was hinted at the video. Coming from a RHD country and renting a car in a LHD country or vice versa. Years of ingrained driving habits are hard to shake. Over here we get plenty of stories of tourists getting into head on accidents and wiping out innocent people because they've crossed over the centre line and/or driving on the wrong side of the road.
@@interman7715 I hope for fast rollout. Streets are not safe with himans driving. Also it makes life easier. I'm not one of those beliving, driving a car adds meaning to life
@interman7715 Mercedes has cars that drive on side streets and handle stop signs/rotaries/street lights??? Since when???
@@interman7715 You have been Gaslighted by the media. Mercedes and DMW are using Lidar.. Their system cannot navigate city streets. The best they can do is highway driving. If they where ahead of Tesla it would be all over the news ...nonstop!
Does the system require decent infrastructure and road markings?
Still large parts of the world has dirt roads, does the Tesla handle a dirt road in the woods?
Yes and has done for many versions. There is a major FSD TH-camr who makes it his first test when he takes out a new version.
Phillip.
If it needs any laws to be changed and approved it’s still a long way to go. At its absolute earliest it could be approved from January. But that’s highly unlikely. Laws are uselessly approved after long bureaucratic process, then voted on and then it gets implemented. Implementation uselessly happens in January and Juli in Sweden.
The official from Transportstyrelsen don’t have the power to approve anything if it needs to change any laws.
I could be wrong, but if the government are going to approve it it’s highly unlikely to see it applied before July 2025 or January 2026. That’s about how fast it moves at best in Sweden. And that’s pretty much only if it’s a priority.
Of no charge in any laws are needed it can move faster.
Not everyone supports the unions in Sweden.
I think the number one cost of Uber is the vehicle. If you are using an EV charged at home on solar the next cost will be the insurance. The driver is zero cost but will keep the profits. Public transport is the future. Take vehicles off the roads which will be safer.
No, the number one cost is the driver. A driverless Uber would make about 25,000 per year driving 30 hours a week. That would be enough to pay the cost of the car, electricity and insurance in less than two years. With a human driver it’s amounts to minimum wage a a payback time for the car is more than five years.
@neildolan7177 What? Are you expecting Uber drivers to be making only $1 a day or something?
IF Metall can GFY
This advisor was commenting on it's abilities as an ADAS system, not fully-autonomous self driving. The most interesting snippet I read this week is that Musk is claiming that California's efforts to stop Tesla describing their ADAS as full-self-driving violates his right to free speech. In other words, the right to free-speech means you can lie to customers.
Do you have a source for what you read about Musk claiming?
@@CiaranMcHale Yes. Just put 'musk California freedom speech fsd' into Google search
@@brendanpells912 Thanks. I found a relevant article on The Register. This issue seems to date back to December 2023. I am not a lawyer, but my understanding (from what I read the on the always reliable Internet:-) is that before a case goes to trial, each side will claim "we deserve to win because [list of arguments]" and they may only need one of the listed arguments to be convincing to win, but they cannot introduce new arguments part-way through the case. This then sometimes results in each side stating numerous arguments before the trial starts, not all of which are equally likely to be valid and some of which might be grasping at straws. The article I read suggests that Tesla is taking this approach, and the free-speech argument was only one of several used. A careful reading of the article indicates that Tesla was claiming it was an infringement of free speech to be forbidden from stating truthful claims (as opposed to lies) in an advertisement. As such, the "In other words..." sentence in your original comment is misrepresenting what Tesla is claiming. (I'm not saying that Tesla's claim is valid; merely that you are misrepresenting Tesla's claim.)
No headlights on a moose!
needs more cow bell
Doesn't matter how Tesla names it and how "astonished" people are. Autonomous driving level 3 is autonomous driving level 3.
I thought Sweden was bound by UNECE regulation.
Canada also! 🤔
As far as Uber vs Tesla, you do know Uber doesn’t own any of their vehicles or manufacturing
You are mixing up IG metal with IF metall. IG Metal is German. IF Metall is Swedish, a small Swedish union. Check your information.
First, it should learn rules and pass a driving exam
Sweden started the Vision Zero road safety program. So getting it approved there is a big win.
I just want to confirm. That’s FSD beta, with a driver watching? Or full autonomous driving?
just the usual. Tesla does not have any system that can drive safely hands off.
. @@Withnail1969 fsd supervised is very safe and the hands on the wheel is just tesla being ultra cautious. Fsd is safe enough to be driven hands free now but safety is teslas no 1 priority in everything they do. I guess we will see hands free in some states in the usa within the next 9 months.
@@mallamal5578 Hands on the wheel is because it would be illegal not to.
@@Withnail1969 agree. Making the point that the car could go hands free but tesla won't let it ----- yet - and it will be legal in the next year , maybe less.
Its full self driving ,you drive it yourself!
_ABBA DABBA DOO!_
It's gonna be _S.O.S_ or _MONEY MONEY MONEY_
Where do you stand! I'm the later outcome!
I don't get why people talk like Tesla FSD is some sort of breakthrough. It still requires somebody at the driver seat. Meanwhile fully automated taxis are already a reality in China. I have a video of somebody riding on a fully automated taxi there if you're interested.
By fully automated, I mean nobody at the driver seat. Meanwhile, Tesla RoboTaxi is still just talk.
I think China approved Tesla FSD because automated driving is already a proven technology in their own country.
China already has fully automated taxis running. It's a proven technology there. That's why they approved Tesla FSD.
@@tomtube1012 Watch this space. Once FSD is released to the market as a fully developed product with out the need for a driver, Tesla will have the potential for millions of cars to go at scale to FSD in months for a mere fraction of the cost of any of the other competetors. Now the question is do you believe whether Tesla can pull this off....good time for a bet on the markets if you think they can!
Oooh! You mean cars with the ridar thing at the top cabin😅
I'm sure you wouldn't want that on your autonomous cars.
And how how many are they on roads? Tesla has roughly 1.7m robots on the roads and FSD software is getting better quickly, you should ride in one if you haven't.
more AI will progress, less it will rely on data and more on one shot learning like humans do
I am completely sure that in Europe, cars without drivers will not be allowed in the next 5-10 years. Europe wants to be sure, not fast
It's about protection the economy from AI.🤔
And the car will not drive on the wrong side of the road
I know you are against a fair pay.
But, the Swedish can do two things at the same time.
Tesla will be a part of the union, it's just a question of time.
Tesla is paying significantly better compensation packages than any comparable employer… and certainly better than the IF Metall mafia’s deal! That whole thing is a shame for Sweden!
AGI / automation will soon reduce need for much work.
Car industry in particular will see 90% reduction over next few years.
FSD / robotaxis / BEVs big part of that.
Imagine a turnip "chipping" union (ie weeding).
@@iandavies4853 I know that an EV has 3 times less parts, and that you can automate more. But, then you will need the unions even more.
If we can't employ more people, we need to cut the workdays.
When work is cut to meaningless levels, I must reluctantly support guaranteed incomes. We can't have humans treated worse than slave robots. We have to make people the beneficiaries of dignified wages even as hired servants. Having a human butler must carry more prestige than owning any robot!
Mr Musk needs to give me a Tesla to drive and I will go all over England
No one should pay for Tesla fsd before it is regulated so as to have insurance cover the car without a driver driving it in all situations. When a person without a drivers license can get into a Tesla and have it drive them to their destination, while legal and covered by insurance, then that is the time to buy Tesla FSD. Until such time, it’s a total waste of money.
FSD is only valuable if it can safely drive your vehicle with no involvement from the passenger/driver. If the driver still has to monitor what is going on and be ready to jump in and take over, FSD is worthless.
@user-jy8ew2xc9g that's like saying Cruise Control is useless. It's been widespread in cars for like 30 years now.
Already very worthwhile, as it makes a drive much safer. Use facts, not feelings to judge this. It's several times safer than any ordinary autopilot.
@user-gv4cx7vz8t No it doesn't make it safer at all. When Cruise Control first came out it was only keeping the speed at a certain setting. That is not helping things be safer by one bit. You get distracted or fall asleep you go sailing off the side of the road at full speed. THAT is the facts.
@@someuser7501 Not true. For accident avoidance, FSD is very nearly five times safer than the American national industry average of drivers, in miles driven per crash (FSD @ 0.31/1M miles, vs industry @ 1.53/1M miles). Tesla Autopilot has been even safer than that @ 0.18/1M miles driven. That was as of April, 2023, but FSD is much improved since then. Perhaps we shouldn't continue debating until you have some data to argue with.
@user-gv4cx7vz8t sorry got your reply confused with @user-jy8ew2xc9g
He has not got FSD approved in China. He has applied for a licence.
Real autonomous fsd is still years away. How would fsd that requires a driver be ANY threat to uber? Somebody is supposed to purchase a tesla, pay for fsd pay a driver or supervise fsd himself, and do that cheaper than uber pays a driver to use their own car? I don’t think so. Please people, use your brains. Tesla will not be a threat to uber until full unsupervised fsd is a reality, and possibly not even then do to the high cost of the tesla and fsd.
@SlackJones1 yeah but Uber has no innovations on the horizon to make it better. FSD will just get better and better until it takes over. It's just an inevitable waiting game. Saying FSD is not a threat is just being naive.
Sweden gov is right wing now - so this can be a finger to the unions....
You conveniently left out the reason why Swedish workers went on strike.over Tesla ,it was because of how bad Tesla treats workers in the US. Tesla workers are paid less than other auto workers and have less benefits.
Doesn’t this sound strange to you, that a union not used by Tesla in Sweden, calls a strike due to working conditions in a far away country which also doesn’t have a unionized workforce? Does this union go on strike when unionized companies at other companies also have poor working conditions?
If that doesn’t sound strange to you, please fill me in. I know nothing about unions in Sweden. Do you think it’s possible that this union is overstepping? Do you believe that all jobs should be unionized?
@@scifithoughts3611 I am relaying what I heard on the news that Sammy boy conveniently forgot to mention.
Maybe the Swedish unions have a semblance of brotherhood to other workers? Seeing how Elmo treats his workers like shit and fires 14000 by text the other day while still pushing for his 56 billion handshake, makes you wonder why Tesla bans unions hey ?
The goal of IF Metall's strike is not to stop Tesla, or throw it out of Sweden. The goal is better and fairer deals for Tesla workers. So that Tesla is gearing more towards regular Scandinavian fair pay and contracts. In a strike, the goal is not to destroy the employer. Just find something that hurts and then after some time they find a compromise. This is how it is usually done in Scandinavia. One agrees. Some American companies are trying to do what they do in the US, leaving workers with their cap in hand. Tesla just has to put up with and conform to the labor practices of the countries in which it operates. Australia and many other countries also has unions fighting for its members.
Tesla is a scam and the cars a pure crap tbh
Why do you say that.i have a tesla and it costs me 20 bucks to charge instead of 100 for a full tank.you are being ignorant until you try.
@@ala-hc4rx you can't change a haters mind... he will forever hate tesla and elon becuase he hate them.... 😂😂😂
Please go Short TSLA 😂
Ev is pure crap
Tesla is the SAFEST car on the road