FIXED vs MECHANICAL BROADHEADS | Which one is BETTER??
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- FIXED vs MECHANICAL BROADHEADS | Which one is BETTER?? We go through a run a stress test on a couple of broadheads. We're just doing a little tinkering and testing. #ABT #elkshape
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Just having some fun here shooting steel through bricks.. Although we didn't get to shoot a ton of arrows through brick it was still fun to see what happened.. One thing to keep in mind about Dan's broadhead opinion at the end: It's about ELK, mechanicals certainly can be plenty effective with lighter skinned animals like whitetail or antelope. But we still feel that a fixed broadhead up front forces you to be tuned and ready to rock.. Also it offers the most forgiveness based on something going less than ideal - TC & DS
Dan,
Wish I'd have seen this before elk season. Hit a bull in the scapula and should have blown thru and killed him, instead he was still chasing cows 5 days later. I did kill a small bull with a frontal shot at 20 feet, but the mechanical took so much energy away that I only got 18" of penetration
@@sb7508 18" is plenty, doesn't sound like anymore penetration would've killed that bull.
In conclusion...Some bricks are stronger and more dense than others, especially when you use different bricks. Good video👍
The less moving parts the better. This applies to broadheads, sights, releases, rests, you name it. I'll stick with fixed all day.
I 100% agree
wise words JC
Amen.
Broadhead integrity and blade sharpness and the ability for that blade to stay sharp after impact are one of the most important factors in a lethal shot along with arrow flight and shot placement. Only thing I’d shoot an expandable on is turkey.
word up!
I’ve bow hunted for almost 20 years and I used fixed blades for the first three years and did fine but my blood trails sucked. I switched to expandables and couldn’t believe the blood trails I was getting. At that time I was running Rage and couldn’t stand the collars that always came off walking through the woods, so after about five years, and never losing a deer, I switched back to a fixed blade. I was successful with the fixed blades again for another three years and never lost a deer but my blood trails went back to shit no matter where I hit them and the deer always went further. One year I put a G5 Montec through the liver and both lungs on a quartering shot and kept watching for the deer to drop but he didn’t, he just kept right on trucking. I gave him about four hours before I went looking for him and the blood trail was mediocre at best. I lost blood at around 100 yards so that finalized the disappoint in my broadhead. Luckily, I know the land, I know how the deer travel and I found the bastard over 260 yards from where I shot him. Between where I lost blood and found him, there was a few drops of blood at around 230 yards and then a small patch about the size of a softball where he must have laid down for a little bit. When I got to him 30+ yards later, he was still alive but couldn’t get up. I waited for about 10 minutes hoping to see his last breath naturally but it didn’t happen so I had to put another one in him. I’m glad I found him, I’m pissed off he suffered for so long, and I’m pissed off at my broadhead. Rapid blood loss is absolutely key no matter if you have good tracking skills or not. The point is a quick, clean death and that only happens with massive amounts of blood on the ground. Needless to say, I’m back to expandables and haven’t had that situation happen again. There is no doubt that a fixed blade is stronger and most of the time it’s argued that they are sharper but I haven’t found that to be the case with a quality expandable. I shoot an 83# bow and a 460gr arrow with tons of kinetic energy and momentum so penetration is a moot point for me. I will gladly buy a new set of expandables every year to get a good clean kill. The tests and arguments everyone has for fixed blades is how tough they are and how far they penetrate. I can care less how many bones or pieces of plywood my broadhead can go through and keep being used after I sharpen it. In my experience with well over 30 successful kills on multiple species, including elk, the expandables put more blood on the ground hands down. There is no debate for me.
The grim reaper heads close after the energy goes back threw them
Hey,
Thanks for all the great advice you and josh are working at getting out. I'm always trying to improve my bow set up to where I am fully confident when out in woods. Appreciate all you guys do and I'm sure it'll pay off for me when I draw my first elk tag!
Glad to help!
I run a 100gr single bevel and 100gr brass insert .
With a mass amount of time testing. These fly extremely well. Shot out to 85 yards and still groups awesome.
That's my setup for open plains in new Zealand coming spring . I'm chasing big new Zealand red deer 🤙🏻
Sick - it’s definitely on our bucket list(s) to get to NZ. Good luck!
@@TimConnor13 when borders open make it happen. End of march is the Red deer and sika and fallow deer rut . Please keep in touch. And keep up with your awesome videos.
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I like em both I've just been working more on the cut in contact heads this year just gonna be prepared for any shot I can take and I agree with your post 100 percent
Word up!
What size stabilizer do you use for front and back?
I totally agree with the fixed, and the grim reaper micro hades is amazing.
Glad they work for you
I totally agree! Fixed bladed broadheads all the way!! I love a cut-on contact fixed!!
Cut em' .. we like two holes
Cut on contact makes a clean cut and makes a wound channel that heals easy. IMO damage is what a broadhead should provide.
Thanks heaps I wish everyone can do all the test its a great help finding the right gear
Glad to help
I agree wholeheartedly about the fixed blade for elk! I shoot a fixed blade for elk and tend to use a mechanical for blacktail and other smaller critters. Great content Dan!
Mechanical on light skinned animals isn't a bad choice! Wide cutting diameters.. - TC
I've been shooting the Magnus Black Hornets ser razors. Absolutely in love with them.
Keep the awesome content coming!!
Will do!
For elk, totally agree!
we talkin' bout elk! lol - TC
Micro Hades fixed are the way to go. Agree with fixed blade and agree with broadhead brand model. We think alike. Awesome video!!!
Glad you enjoy them!
Two different kinds of bricks bro. I was brick mason and that red brick is far more dense then the lighter colored one.
Word - next time we'll devise a plan that's a little more scientistic.. This was spur of the moment and we used what was available.. Best - TC
@@ElkShape sorry. I realize I was being too critical. I'm a brick mason and I get excited when I see bricks. . my time to shine you know. . No need to be super scientific every time. Good video! Would you suggest getting a mechanical if you can get your broadheads to group with your field points (even though they group well)?
What is the advantage to having your thumb down verses up on draw and release? I’ve always shot and seen thumb to cheek I am just curious as if it’s comfort stability or other possible reasons?
I think it's preference Bryan, but neither of us coach archery.. TC - I know from my personal amateur experience the anchor point of the knuckles to the jaw line is really strong.
If I pick up archery again I will have to try it but I am currently practicing hunting with a pistol
Can’t wait till sept
I’m not joking when I say this I’m literally sitting in a tree stand while watching this no joke! But I think It made the video 10 times better.😂 I just picked up a set of Grim Reaper expandable’s gonna try them out this year thanks for the info! awesome video!
Haha awesome
What poundage and draw length is Dan pulling, and what is his arrow spine, length, and what weight does he have up front?
Checkout the how fast our bows shoot video..
Have you played with any of the hybrid From Grim Reaper? Kind of best of both worlds. John Lusk showed great results micro hades as well.
Any reason you went with 3 verses 4 blades out of curiosity?
Familiar with the model - could be fun to test in the future
The blades in the mech retract, although they wouldn't open without penetration anyway. Ironwill collars would have saved both of those arrows and Tim may have kept his head if he wasn't shooting a left helical.
Lol - my Broadhead didn’t spin off. Arrow broke and that gray brick was super stiff. But I am building a new batch of arrows to test, left helical still 😱
Both heads heads are great , it’s a personal choice what you want to shoot , if you want to shoot a great broadhead and tuff oz cut Australian made, Great video mate well done 👍👍🏹🏹
Thanks John - have heard great things about oz cut broadheads
Have you guys ever tried any of the Magnus Stinger blades?
I haven't and haven't heard Dan mention he has - TC
The stinger and black hornet are great heads. They’re all I’ll use unless I want to go magnum sized. For “magnum” heads I like tuff head, grizzly, or VPA. Bishop heads are great too if you can afford them.
When you ran this test, how heavy was/is your arrow/broadhead setup? And how much poundage out of your bow? I was very impressed with the brute strength of the fixed head
75# bow, 26" arrow, 454 grains, 350 spine, 75 grain brass hidden insert up front with a 100 grain 3 blade fixed broadhead from Grip Reaper. -DS
I found an old video of you using Iron Will broadheads. What made you switch? I always shot fixed blade. Shot Magnus for.a long time. Thinking of making a switch.
Thanks - yes, that's a GREAT broadhead. I think GRB made in AMERICA is a lot more affordable compared to Ironwill, but everyone's budget is different. -DS
@@ElkShape That's the only thing keeping me away from it. I try to justify the blade thickness of .65 compared to others from .30-.40 or whatever. Things do go wrong out in the woods, broadheads do get lost at times. I cant imagine losing 1 broadhead that cost $35.
@@ElkShape keep grinding out killer content too. I appreciate y'all.
I think you are correct in saying on saying use what works for you. I would be interested in seeing the results between a poorly tuned fixed vs. a properly tuned mech... I wonder how important broadhead entry is too broadhead performance. Oh yeah, Fixed.. Original Silver Flames, I have a shorter draw length so I don't have a ton of energy to burn.
Always trying to be as well tuned as possible - TC
@@ElkShape agreed but I think people use mechanicals thinking they don't need to tune as much
I agree, good video man. I just listened to the episode with the purgatory bros and i loved it! I live in Oregon and i just did my first spring bear hunt in that exact same area below hat point in hells canyon. They aren't lying, it is super brutal but awesome country. I spent 3 weeks total in there and a couple other areas and i did kill the only rattlesnake i saw, it was on my way out near the trailhead at the bottom, the locals encourage killing them. As long as its not crazy hot the snakes arent really around. I think you would enjoy a spring bear hunt there, there are creeks everywhere from the snow melt so finding waer isnt an issue and a good amount of bears, getting on them is another story. Mostly color phase but i did see 4 jet black. Saw rams, mtn goats, mulies and plenty of elk. Oh and there is 100% wolves in there, i saw several tracks and i met some people on mules that saw a couple black wolves
Awesome story - glad you had fun!
Check out some footers for your arrows from Elk River archery or Iron Will outfitters.
Footer testing - in the hopper for the future 🤘
The grim reaper won't open if it don't pass thro anything it's spring loaded
Mhmm
LOL
fun video my experience has always been arrow Vs anything hard, usually hard target wins. I love my Carbon Injexion arrows and 4mm FMJ's but yup I've killed them both Even with field points I over-penetrated my target at 50 yrds this weekend & killed an arrow. It hit a metal shelf bracket on my backstop. Base of the field point broke off inside the shaft. and I can't get it out.
damn metal shelfs
Ive always shot fixed.
#1 thing western outfitters wish their clients did was shot a fixed blade.
They would know, since they help guys shoot elk all season long.
Good point!! Listen to the pro's
What lighted noc do you guys like to shoot
I personally like the nockturnals -DS
Fixed can’t trust mechanics to open. You used to shoot 4 blade micro fixed now your shooting 3 blade micro . Any reason/ advantage for switching?
I think Dan just settled on the 3 blade.. lots of positive experience with them - TC
I switched to fixed a few years ago and preach fixed to everyone who’s bow I work on. Good friend of mine shot a whitetail doe at 10 yards with a mechanical and didn’t have it sticking in the ground on the other side, recovered the doe but proof was in the pudding for him and ever since he’s been shooting fixed like I told him he should have been. 70 lb bow 450gr arrow there is ZERO reason at 10 yards it’s not sticking in the ground on the other side of the animal... animals bleed faster through 2 holes vs 1 that’s my thoughts.
Had an elk guy in NM hit an elk double lung shot area with a shwacker at 25 yards.. arrow went two inches in and fell out after the elk ran some.. did not recover that elk - TC
If you can get any high quality fixed head to shoot accurate then that is the way to go
🤘
Do you like the Valkyrie heads ?
They look nice, and have heard good things.. haven't shot them personally - TC
Should have tried a tuffhead
Will keep in mind for future
Fixed ramcats are my choice but grim reapers are great too
word!
Idk if the head failed as much as the arrow failed if you had a sleeve on both I bet the results would differ...this seems to be a good test for durability but I'd love to see penetration and accuracy they have a few other channels that test heads out of a shooting machine out at crazy distance just some feed back
Would be fun to test sleeves - TC
Hey guys the vpa broke the arrow because you didn’t tighten the broadhead enough and it created a weak point. Hence the deflection.
I have always shot magnus buzzcuts fixed blades. Last night I tried the Grim reaper whitetail special. Shot a buck at 31 yards, the arrow hit liver. If I was using my small fixed blade head, probably would have been liver shot and who knows if I'd been able to recover. The Grim reaper hit liver, back of lungs but also the front of guts but he died 40 yards from where I shot him with a real good blood trail.
Also full pass through
Try some ethics FOOTERS!!!! The arrows seem to Penetrate way better and the carbon doesn’t seem to break in front of the hit insert
Will look into them - thanks
I think any broadhead will work..with good shoot placement.
thats right they will - we're trying to get as much forgiveness as possible on a misplaced shot.. - TC
Dan, I love your content and your message, but I have to take issue with you on this experiment. What does shooting through a brick prove? Would a beef side not prove to be a more accurate representation? Also, mechanical broad heads require the same common sense as fixed blades: chose the appropriate blade size and angle based on your poundage and arrow weight. I think there is far more involved in this decision than is portrayed here. That being said, love your videos! ABT!
ABT - check our top comment.. This was just a fun quick and dirty demonstration.. Nothing more
Walter - wasn't an experiment, we weren't in the LAB, there was no hypothesis or scientific method, this was us just tinkering around. We also stated these are just my opinions and that everyone is writing their own archery story! Thanks! -DS
The mechanical didn’t fail, the shaft did. That mechanical actually looked very good for bouncing off a brick. Foot that arrow and then let’s see what the mech does!
Foooter test would be $$
It’s not a test. Those axis arrows are weak at the hit insert. They loved to break. A footer, in my opinion, is almost a must with them. I finally gave up and went to a more durable arrow.
Seems like you used a different type of brick for each broadhead. Why? Taints the findings for me. Not all brick density is the same.
We just used what was available nearby.. this was just for fun 🤘
I used fixed heads for 42yrs and 100s of whitetails and used expandables with poor results lost a few deer and they are high maintenance compared to all different fixed heads but they need to be sold again in a 6pack that them garbage expandables started 3pack deal
We like the forgiveness of fixed for sure 🤘
if you ever get a chance check out annihilator broadheads i promise you won’t be disappointed
those were on the demo list at one point.. maybe for the future 👍
Just paper tuned my bow and my wife’s so we can fling some Montec’s this year!
right on!
No matter what you pick it is all about shot placement. That’s why I pick a mechanical. I have yet to see a fixed blade that will shoot as accurately as my mechanical heads. If you hit a bull in the shoulder with a fixed blade or a mechanical the results are the same. I’d rather shoot the head that is going to hit behind my pin no matter what.
Fixed tend to penetrate better.. Results would not be the same. If you hit a bull perfect with any broadhead results should be fine.. We are looking for maximum forgiveness on a less than perfect shot, and have found that a solid fixed broadhead does the job best.. With that being said you should shoot whatever works best for you and you have the most confidence in - TC
Better shot placement vs better penetration... I’ll take the better shot placement.
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Thanks for the sacrificed bow equipment
lol yeah - it was hard to watch arrows being sacrificed.. all for the greater good though hopefully! - TC or Tim 3 letters.. Maybe you could be Sea?
Go watch the ranch fairy channel, he might give you better insight as to what a difference broadheads and arrow weight and foc play when it comes to ethical kills and performance
just giving our opinion on what's best for elk - TC
Oh I know!! Love your content and I wasn’t bashing, just making a suggestion. Keep doing what your doing!!
Not a very good test shooting thru a brick unless you are testing strength only. You also used different type bricks for the different broadheads. I only use expandable broadheads and have never lost an animal hunting whitetail here and many animals in Africa. I also shoot fixed so I’m not against them. They do seem to be stronger if you want to re-use them. I have had several expandable break after passing thru the animals and pledging into the dirt.
You do you.. just speaking to Dan's experience with Elk here - TC
I just can’t understand why people are always trying to pushed their opinions in others. People should used what they believe work for them. I don’t know of any animal that is build of bricks!!!!
Why would you come on youtube if you don't want to hear our opinions? That's all we can give. - TC
Elk Shape I don’t have a problem with opinions, but is different to pushed and say something is better, is better to say this work for me!!!! I enjoyed your channel is one of the best I just don’t agree with you in this one!!! Don’t take personally!!! Is ok to agree or disagree I thought!!!! 😉
Atleast use the same kind of bricks
Just used what we had available - the goal was not a scientistic experiment.. Just for fun and spur of the moment - TC
That first brick you shot is pretty much the softest brick there is. Cool idea for a test get some 1/2 MDF board and put a cheap ham behind it then measure penetration. 1/2 mdf would kind of simulate a whitetail shoulder blade
Some snug britches
snug a dug dug
“It didn’t expand...” well no duh. You’re hitting a brick.....a brick....they’re not design to cut hard, dried clay blocks. That being said, I was very impressed by the damaged brick the fixed split in half. Not ruining an expensive arrow is always a plus. But come on, make a better test. For example, hang a couple layers of tissue machine felt, in front of a sheet of plywood or something like that.
Eric Lind your comment makes sense but why wouldn’t you want a broadhead that performs against a brick vs one that doesn’t. Also plywood is very inconsistent, there are other methods to this test but when spending your hard earned money on a broadhead I personally would rather have one that performs well on a brick than one that doesn’t.
RC Hunting, if you’re using crappy big box store plywood, then I guess you could be right about plywood layers being inconsistent. But, being a cabinetmaker by trade, if you got a sheet of 11 ply Baltic Birch or some comparable cabinet grade plywood with no voids between the layers, you find a very consistent test model. To be fair, I totally agree with your sentiments that it’s better to be sure your equipment will not fail, given how much time/effort/money it costs to elk hunt. Where’s all this going? I guess with all this typing I don’t even know. What I do know is I enjoy your channel, I’m anxiously awaiting the 2022 season as that’s the soonest I can return to the Colorado forests. I guess “ABT” in my case means “Always Be Talking” about archery and elk. Good luck this season & how about doing a review/comparison on back quivers?!? I personally don’t know how you guys can stand shooting with bow mounted quivers...cheers!!
Oops, sorry....I thought it was elk shape responding!! Hahahahaha my bad, RC Hunting.
This was not a test or an experiment - we were just tinkering - no hypothesis or controlled environment. Regardless, thanks for watching. -DS
I like your guys channel great info but abt always be tinkering is not a good moto people need to tinker less and just shoot there bow more alot of times people tinker to try and get there groups tighter when its not the bow or there equipment its the shooter so LST ...lets stop tinkering
ABT in the pursuit of better.. Shooting more reps won't always make you better, practicing bad form and processes isn't productive.. Tinkering isn't referring to only gear, it means don't settle, keep working 🤘 - TC
I see what you're trying to point out Joe - we can all agree to keep the dust off and stay consistent.
The reason the mechanical blades did not deploy is because they are opened by the hide of your prey. A brick wil not allow this.
Yes - a just for fun experiment
HIT inserts are terrible !!!!!!!!!!!
I’m sorry but this is a very stupid test For one we are not hunting bricks Each Brodhead has their own job
Ahh bummer, we both drew brick tags for September - TC
Translation:
a) Mechanical if "all circumstances beyond your control are perfect" (aka "never"😉).
b) Fixed if you are a good shooter who's patient and that can wait for an ethical shot.