George Lucas is not some sort of immortal guy, he's 80. Overwork at that age can kilI a man, even just stress, and you know how the fans get. Also a lot of people seem to think that a person is firing with all cylinders upstairs from their prime to the end, this is farrr from the case. Even Einstein dreaded that as he got older, he'd make stupid decisions.
Remember something, re: Dave Filoni: He's only been in charge of, The Clones Wars, SW: Rebels, The Bad Batch, Tales Of The Jedi/Empire, and 2nd Commander of The Mandoverse. He was the Starter for, SW: Resistance, but wasn't very present for its 2 Season run. He had nothing to do with The Sequel Trilogy, Solo, Rogue One, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The High Republic Multimedia Initiative (which is really good, minus the inappropriate Wokeness that colors it at (too many) times), including the Animated series, Young Jedi Adventures, and (most definitely), The Acolyte. Contrary to what some have been led to believe, Filoni was NOT given the keys to the kingdom, in 2020 (as Executive Creative Director) and 2022 (as Chief Creative Officer). His role as CCO does not afford him power over every department or final say in every piece of content coming from Disney/Lucasfilm Ltd. It's very curious, to me and many others, that, when KK decided to create The Story Group, she never thought to entrust the guidance of the SW IP to George Lucas' protege. I think she knew he was too loyal to Lucas' vision of SW, for her "80% of Our Story Group is made up of WOMEN..." concept. I would say, starting with, Skeleton Crew, close judgement of Mr. Filoni's abilities as a creative head is warranted; now that Kennedy is basically out of the picture (and currently Executive Producing, JURASSIC WORLD: Rebirth, in Hawaii), with Jon Favreau secretly overseeing the reconstruction of Star Wars.
@@TrooperTalksI think all three of them (Favreau, Filoni, & Gilroy) should be the head honchos at Lucasfilm instead of the story group. Also Dave should handle only animation since it’s clear after Ahsoka that’s what he’s best at. That series could’ve brought us an interesting blend of TCW & Rebels style animation and been a true “Rebels sequel” but instead we just got a live action series with the most obvious “trying to pad out our required run-time” style pacing known the man. Either that, or it should’ve been a movie. I’ve heard there’s a fan cut that just came out which actually does this effectively though.
I do not care what disney does or who they get they have spent a decade telling me what a horrible person I am and how nothing they make is for me. As breakups go they were pretty clear that they were done with me, which is fine except that now they realize that they cannot get by without me and want to get back together. To bad for them, I do not trust them and I have no intention on wasting any more of my time and money on someone that hates me but wants to use me.
Man, the old EU was so good... imo at least. I'm not saying EVERYTHING was perfect, but altogether it was a MUCH better expansion of Star Wars than what Disney gave us overall overall.
@@TrooperTalks Lol, I just realized I accidentally put "overall" twice, but I'm gonna keep it in there cause I think it further expresses the "MUCH" in my comment. 😂
Star Wars is Episodes 1 - 6 are the only canon. And I mean this philosophically and technically. Art comes from the respective artist. Just because you own the rights to a half-painted Picasso, or a half-written Prince song, your insertion of the other half, no matter how true you think your contribution is to the original artist's intentions, does not make it a Picasso or a Prince song. Disney has the rights to Star Wars. It cannot write new Star Wars. At best, Disney can retell George's stories. Anything else from Disney is a fanfiction or "what if." We have seen what happened with Game of Thrones when the showrunners decided to shoe-horn in their own vision in to seasons 7 and 8. Game of Thrones comes from Martin, Star Wars from George, Harry Potter from JK, and Lord of the Rings from Tolkien. This is how it works. This does not mean that if George never sold Lucasfilm that his sequel trilogy would have been loved. It would mean that is would have made more fucking sense when juxtaposed with the first six movies. You are at least granted that when the story is continued by the same creative mind that started it. And don't get me started on the Clone Wars. The overwhelming majority of that garbage was Filoni. And Filoni even did things AGAINST George's advisement on some plot points. That's not to say Filoni was forbidden from doing anything, but George merely disagreed with some things.
Very well said, and I'd also add... Lucas' Star Wars is generational and has stood the test of time. I find it highly unlikely that the same will be said about Disney Star Wars in future. Disney Star Wars is nothing more than a cheap imitation. It's like comparing a strong piece of masterfully hand-crafted furniture that's passed down from generation to generation, to a piece of cheap Ikea crap that will most likely find its way to the curb within a couple of years.
Do you actually believe that, if your mentor's company were being overrun and altered by an outside force, that was diluting and twisting his vision, you would leave it, instead of trying to preserve it, and right the ship? Your definition of "care" is a lot off. How do you know that Lucas didn't ask Dave to remain, and be (along w/ Favreau, Knoll, and Chiang) his eyes, ears, and voice?
Too late. George was booted out during the production of VII. The only way you could bring him in now would be to erase the entire Disney Star Wars slate and begin again, and that ain't gonna happen.
I'd have to agree. Lucas has more than likely walked away and is enjoying retirement. I'd like to think he never would have sold Star Wars in the first place if he had ever intended to continue on with it.
To fix Star Wars they need to make everything Disney did legends and make all the books canon again and make 2008 clone wars series not canon either… make 2003 clone wars canon. After that just make books, video games, and hopefully an animated movie that looks like the old republic cinematicacs about the parts of the old republic.. more stories with dash rendar also wouldn’t hurt. The force unleashed back to canon. Make Star Wars Great again! lol. Where we knew if someone was cut in half or stabbed they were dead. Now Jedi gotta double think if sith are dead and make it that lightsabers have a delay b4 shutting off.. hence why they don’t just cut them on and off through out battle for easy kills… make games or shows about each council member journey/experiences in the clone wars. Make them powerful. Ahsoka was sorta a Mary sue character. Unnecessary if u ask me… we have shaak ti already… but I guess she helps draw out anakin fall to the dark side but I think she takes away from the other characters I always wanted to know about it grow like quin lin vos or secura or serro keto or cin drallig. Too many interesting characters we could have dived into instead or more of Kimora vosa. Show her past b4 ventress or bring her back somehow since she wasn’t stabbed. No one can do Star Wars but George and the guy who made the 2003 clone wars and the helpers that help do the dialogue and what not in the original trilogy.
I'm just pissed that The Book of Boba Fett was ruined by KK. That show had great potential and lots of enthusiasm when it was announced in the post credit scene after the astounding season 2 finale of The Mandalorian. I will never forget the way Boba Fett destroyed all those stormtroopers like an absolute boss in The Mandalorian, we even got to see him finally use the missile on his jetpack. Honestly, I never knew that was a missile before, there was a slight hint of it with the original prototype Kenner action figure that never saw the toy stores in 1979. Speaking of the season 2 finale, the fandom had finally come together and rejoiced over Luke Skywalker's triumphant return to screen, then KK fired Gina Carano for what I consider to be absolutely nothing other than differing political ideals. Evil. If they think they can just recast Cara Dune's actress and get away with that, they have another thing coming. They completely destroyed the emotional weight of The Mandalorian season 2's finale with The Book of Boba Fett by giving Grogu back to Djin Djarin. WTH were they thinking? After so much disappointment starting with Jake Skywalker in The Last Jedi and culminating with the absolute failure of The Acolyte, I have all but checked out. I actually have a hard time even watching the OT now because of how badly Disney damaged the IP.
I don’t think filoni is the best thing for star wars at all….good job in clone wars but everything else has been Disney approved for sure and wasn’t he a big part of the writing of the acolyte
Disney paid 4 billions because they knew anything with the SW name will sell, but it seems clear to me, they don't like original material. It shows through most of their new projects and they often say so much in interviews. The ones they created that most respected George's SW and build on it, are actually quite good: Mando and Andor. Projects that completely changed our favorite characters, like TLJ and BF are mostly reviled. Projects where Disney openly admits they had an agenda also failed. When they decided right off the bat they wanted a female savior for the Galaxy (KK), we got trilogy where the female hero, Rey, had completely exaggerated powers, while the two male protagonists were put on the side burner. When they decided they wanted a story about LGBTQ in SW before even having a plot (LH), we got the Acolyte. Most people don't have problems with diversity in SW. It's bad writing people dislike. If they want to get back on track, Lucasfilms must be lead by people who truly love SW and create projects when they have an interesting story to tell that builds on the lore ONLY. Then while casting, you can worry about diversity.
Years before George Lucas sold Lucasfilm, he came out and said that, to him, only the movies and the TV shows were canon. Disney, basically, kept up with that. Disney destroyed nothing that was officially canon to the Star Wars universe. They kept all that George, himself, felt to be canon.
Everything Disney has done with Star Wars has been fan fiction (including Mandalorian) but the difference is agenda driven narratives were an automatic fail right out of the gate whereas projects done with respect to the canon AND the fans resonated and were highly successful. They were warned but they refused to listen (over and over) and here we are. And it ain't never coming back.
No they don’t. George can’t do anything. Nobody can do anything. Star Wars is dead. Anything important magical special or meaningful about star wars is dead. They can make *better content. But that won’t / can’t make us believe it care again. In every way that matters or manes sw what it was… is dead. They killed it. Worst… they did it Knowingly. And with a smile. That’s why it can’t be resurrected.
There is difference between how Disney and Kathleen completely destroyed the original story and George Lucas story and his fans and his truth and giving respect simply George Lucas was Jedi while Disney and Kennedy are Sith
I was getting into you guys until your wild Phony Filoni take. Dude is burning the franchise down as we speak. His wife is a wiccan and she runs star wars not him. He approved the acolyte, made Ahsoka and was all over book of boba fett.
George Lucas kept a sort of balance between merchandising and authorship. Disney killed authorship for merchandising and fan service sake. Well, you don't really know what you got until you lose it. By the way, actually I'm not very happy with Filoni's work. I've always seen his TCW TV show as a sort of fan service for those who hated the prequels.
I don't share your opinion of Filoni, but that's what's great about the true fans. We can disagree. Disney fans must love all the creators and their "products" no matter what. That's a cult, not a fanbase.
I never had an issue with Disney wanting to make the EU legend. There were some really amazing EU stories they could have drawn from. Heir to the Empire was one such great storyline, but there were also many stupid stories. Where Disney failed was hiring Kathleen Kennedy as Lucasfilm President and allowing her to put ideology over story in all Star Wars content. They could have used the EU to help shape the galaxy after Return of the Jedi. Had they focused on what was popular in the EU to complete the Skywalker era, they would have easily made their billions back. Instead, they went woke.
False. He didn't. The Acolyte was pre-written around 2019/2020. He was in no position to decide on that pet project of KK and Headland. When he was "brought on" to "okay the scripts", they had already been written, and okayed by Ms. Kennedy. That "X tweet", stating that Filoni had a hand in the overseeing of the writing of that show, quickly got deleted within 24 hours, because it wasn't true. Notice how Dave Filoni's name is nowhere to be found on the credits...but, Pablo HIdalgo's is? Headland mentions Hidalgo, when she's had interviews regarding her show. Headland has made it clear, throughout the press for the show, that is was "her show". Meanwhile, Filoni wasn't part of The Acolyte's SW Celebration panel, nor the press for it, until after the trailers were released. Plus, Filoni has had NO INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER with anything to do with The High Republic. Not the books, comics, Animated series, video games, and certainly not a series that was barely related to the actual Three Phases of storytelling that's been going on in print, since 2021...so, why would he be an authority on a story and time period he's had no hand in crafting? In fact, supposedly, it was due to the disorderly production of, The Acolyte, that led to Kennedy giving Filoni CCO status, only too late. Virtually everything had been set in stone, by the time he was given the title, and filming had already started. Plus, as he's stated, since Fall 2023: His position doesn't give him the powers akin to George Lucas. Kennedy, over the last 11 years, never intended to leave control of "her baby" in the hands of 1 person, let alone a protege of George Lucas.
I wish people would stop saying that George Lucas should come back because he's just not. Retired billionaire that changed Hollywood forever. Let him look towards the twin suns and enjoy his peace. Star Wars ceases to exist anyway
I And Many People Want Sir Papa George Lucas And His Star Wars Canon And Not fisney fake wars uncanonical suck. Long Live Sir Papa George Lucas And His Child Star Wars I Want To See Sir Papa George Lucas Sequel Trilogy In Cinema Bye Sir Papa George Lucas. ❤️⭐🌟
People can say what they want abt dave that man has banger after banger in animation. I love how yall tell the truth abt disney they need to look an a mirror and get it together but we know they won't
Nah, he has make his fan made OC Ashoka the most important character in the entire saga, the bitch is everywhere now, and George wanted her to die early in the clone wars series
George Lucas SW was not perfect. Phantom Menace had very good elements but overall was pretty bad and often cringy. However, GL loved his creation, respected the lore and had no ulterior motives when creating new material, which is a lot more than we can about Disney.
No nobody said it was BUT it’s his creation so you can’t say he doesn’t know it. And at that time Star Wars still was special and held high. Not anymore not even the OT.
I’m waiting for these fans who want to blame Filoni to wonder where they’re gonna point the finger at next after Filoni won’t be enough to explain the poor quality. Some Fans gaslit themselves into seeing Dave Filoni as a savior and now they’re gonna gaslit themselves into thinking he’s the devil. If anyone wants to blame Dave Filoni for The Clone Wars I have tough news for you. GL:” I took my Padawan here and I said, "We're not doing that anymore. Now you're entering the world of live action features and we're going to treat this like a live-action feature. We're going to rely on editing rather than storyboarding." And there's a lot of techniques we used that completely shifted the paradigm. It makes a different kind of animated film that relies more on cutting and editing than it does on storyboards and longer shots and that sort of thing. And that was a challenge and we still have a challenge." Certain EU fans & Prequel haters are nauseating. They’ll complain about Dave Filoni since the run of the clone wars for things the man isn’t even that responsible for while still going up and down about how they prefer George Lucas Star Wars: You don’t like Ahsoka being alive post clone wars, blame George Lucas. (It was a Dave Filoni idea but George approved it.) You don’t like Mandalore being pacifists blame George Lucas (A George Lucas idea) You don’t like Anakin having a Padawan blame George Lucas (A George Lucas Idea) You don’t like Ahsoka blame George Lucas. (A George Lucas Character that Dave Filoni expanded on.) You don’t like the inhibitor chips in the clones blame George & Katie Lucas (George & his daughter came up with this.) You don’t like the show being more canon then your books, blame George Lucas. (George Lucas has been saying The EU is a parallel universe to his films for years, he’s also been saying The Clone Wars is in the same world as his films , telling the same story, and to him they’re one and the same, if certain Anti Clone Wars EU fans can’t accept George believes that, their idiots.) He’s the reason all of these things happened. He’s Dave Filoni’s boss. Dave Filoni was a second in command who did what George told him too. Ironically he was also an EU cheerleader always trying to put EU stuff in the show which George would only accept if he could alter it in some way. That’s all fine. You can be critical of what Filoni does pre or post Disney but to hold him solely responsible for things you don’t like pre/post Disney when it comes to The Clone Wars or anything else he’s apart of is where fact becomes fiction. Dave Filoni played important roles in the show’s development and had creative control but he didn’t have as much creative control as his boss George Lucas who was actually in charge for all of seasons 1-6 and told Filoni what to do when making the show the entire time. George was the main driving force behind the show’s stories and direction more then anyone else involved. The whole reason that Zillow Beast Episode exist for example is because George Lucas walked up in the production of Clone Wars staff and told them they’re doing a Godzilla Episode. He oversaw each and every episode from seasons 1-6 before they were released. Anything some EU fans or prequel haters don’t like about this show , George is a thousand times more responsible for then Dave Filoni. It’s just like with Disney Star Wars , George Lucas isn’t in charge anymore but Dave Filoni has multiple bosses above him who he has to answer to when doing anything , mainly Kathleen Kennedy so what they want is what he will do. The proof is in the pudding, this the reason why George even liked Dave working for him, George To Dave:“Do you know why I enjoy working with you? Well, you listen to me.” You can be critical of what Filoni does pre or post Disney but to hold him solely responsible for things you don’t like pre/post Disney when it comes to The Clone Wars or anything else he’s apart of is where fact becomes fiction. Dave Filoni played important roles in the show’s development and had creative control but he didn’t have as much creative control as his boss George Lucas who was actually in charge for all of seasons 1-6 and told Filoni what to do when making the show the entire time. George was the main driving force behind the show’s stories and direction more then anyone else involved. The whole reason that Zillow Beast Episode exist for example is because George Lucas walked up in the production of Clone Wars staff and told them they’re doing a Godzilla Episode. He oversaw each and every episode from seasons 1-6 before they were released. Anything some EU fans or prequel haters don’t like about this show , George is a thousand times more responsible for then Dave Filoni. It’s just like with Disney Star Wars , George Lucas isn’t in charge anymore but Dave Filoni has multiple bosses above him who he has to answer to when doing anything , mainly Kathleen Kennedy so what they want is what he will do. The proof is in the pudding, this the reason why George even liked Dave working for him, George To Dave:“Do you know why I enjoy working with you? Well, you listen to me.” Does Dave Filoni have his own creative ideas and plans when it comes to Star Wars content, yes but Dave Filoni at the end of the day is a team player who does what he’s instructed by whoever’s in charge. Whatever he does or makes is by the influence , supervision and approval of people he works for. Even if you don’t believe anything George or Dave have openly said about The Clone Wars, Henry Gilroy one of the head writers on this show can answer everyone’s questions. oh yeah there’s Henry Gilroy Quotes I’ve been meaning to show based on his work with George & Dave to give you a better idea of what their working relationship collaboration is like. How did The Clone Wars go from script to finished animation? The initial 15 or so story ideas were generated by myself and [director] Dave Filoni. We'd develop the stories into one- or two-page premises, then meet with George Lucas and he would input his ideas. Once George liked a Story, we'd go through the outline process to figure out the specific character and plot arcs, and then we'd turn that into a script. Once we were happy, we'd send that back to George for his input. When George liked it, the script went final and the story would go into production, which means characters, ships, and locations are designed by our terrific design team. Then the script is pre-visualized, or storyboarded, by our awesome story team. When the script goes final, it's not really 'final.' The final script would be the end of the writing process on 95 percent of animated television series. But at Lucasfilm, George uses movie-like pre-visualization and editorial stages as a big part of the writing process. The great thing about working this way is that you can really refine the story visually, adding and subtracting story elements to build drama and tension. Even though The Clone Wars started as made for television, George wanted a process where he could be involved creatively at every step. So making The Clone Wars series is morelike making an animated feature except that every single episode is done this way! As Dave and lI came from TV, George would regularly remind us, "We're not making television here. We're making cinema." And that's why it wasn't really a surprise when he decided to release The Clone Wars first as a full-fledged animated feature. So how readily did you and Dave Filoni collaborate? In the early days of the studio, somebody created the nickname "Filroy Gilroni" because we were always together. In the very beginning of development, Dave and I used to meet at this coffee shop in Burbank almost every day and talk Star Wars, and we still talk Star Wars every day. We discuss the films, novels, comics and the stories we are developing and how to execute them thematically and visually, and how the characters interact and grow. Did I mention that the coffee shop is right next door to a Toys "R" Us? After our story meetings we'd go nerd out and see what latest Star Wars goodies were available. Anyway, it's always been a lot of creative give and take, where I might pitch Dave an idea for a character or a story and the next day he'd email me this amazing concept painting for it. Or he would pitch one sentence idea for a story and l'd write it into a two page premise-Plo Koon, hint, hint. Once I get the stories onto paper as premises, outlines, and scripts, Dave reads everything and his collaboration helps me get it ready for George, as well as production. Because Dave sits in editorial so much with George, he knows better than anyone what George wants. As time went on, George gave us boundaries and then took them away. He challenged us all the time to make it better than just good. One of his favorite quotes as he would finish our meetings was, "Dare to be great!" It sounds like George Lucas was involved every step of the way. George is the Alpha and the Omega, and is involved in the story from beginning to end. On The Clone Wars, that means from the initial story idea until the final sound mix. I knew from the moment I got the job that The Clone Wars was going to be George's show. My job was to execute his vision and I have always tried my best to do that.
George was the main driving force behind Clone Wars so he’s the main reason that show is popular whether anyone sees it as a masterpiece, good or decent, I only posted this for those that want to blame Dave Filoni for Star Wars content they don’t like pre Disney showing that Dave Filoni has been misunderstood pre and even post Disney Star Wars by fans who want a face to point to and blame. I will say in other replies in the comments I point out to you how your argument against Dave Filoni post Disney Star Wars have some issues or holes. One being that he recently became The CCO last year which means if you believe that is reason enough to blame him for everything Disney Star Wars over Kathleen Kennedy and others more involved then him, your argument doesn’t hold much ground. Not just was Dave Filoni barely involved in Disney Star Wars outside of the shows he directly made until recently but he’s the only person in Disney Lucasfilm who’s interacting with George Lucas regularly so if you believe Dave Filoni is to blame for everything more then his employers then you’ll also have to blame George Lucas for the advice he gives Filoni & others whenever he visits Disney Lucasfilm. It’s debatable whether they even listen to George Considering his plans are different from there own but if you can concede to that fact then what makes you think Dave Filoni is behind everything a lot of us didn’t like in Disney Star Wars? I don’t believe he’s any “savior” but he also isn’t the anti christ boogeyman some Star Wars fans claim he is, and any issues you or them have with his approach to handling any canon, you’ll have to hold George to task for because Dave Filoni’s loose canon approach was taught to him by George Lucas who had a Multiverse perspective on the different layers of Star Wars Canon pre Disney noting them as Parallel Universes. Most the issues with Dave Filoni some fans have is due to what he was taught by George Lucas and others involved. Dave Filoni was never the savior of Star Wars, nor was he it’s Devil, Dave Filoni is a company man who does what he’s told, he may get to push in his own interests when he gets the opportunity but he isn’t any mastermind behind what we love or hate about this franchise. He did what George told him too when he worked for him which is why George hired him specifically because Dave Filoni did whatever George wanted , so it’s no surprise to me that Dave Filoni is on board with what Kathleen Kennedy, Bob Iger and everyone else above him demands, he’s doing what he’s always done, follow the rules of the job he works in and if he’s good, they let him get to make a passion project. You can criticize this man but if you want to blame him for what’s been made and ignore everyone else who’s more involved then him, your blind to the actual situation. Many people who flat out despise Filoni usually ignore the facts of how Lucasfilm ran pre Disney. I’m more of a critic for Disney Star Wars and Disney Lucasfilm and there’s more stuff that I dislike then I like but blaming Dave Filoni for all the problems pre or post Disney Star Wars is pretty dumb when you actually do the research. Some people try to argue stuff without Filoni involved are great well Dave Filoni also had nothing do with The Kenobi Show, a show that was an abomination to Star Wars. He also had little to do with Book Of Boba Fett which was mostly John Favreu’s direction, he had nothing to do with The High Republic and little to do with The Sequel Trilogy, or The Acolyte which in those cases he just nodded his head at the direction other people would take it. The Mandalorian, & Tales Of The Jedi were mostly well received when they started under his direction. The Bad Batch has a decent following , Star Wars Rebels is pretty popular, are we really blaming Dave Filoni for every mediocre or bad Disney Star Wars project? These metrics aren’t that good if we are, there are many projects that had little to no involvement by Filoni that are controversial or mostly hated, so Andor not having his involvement doesn’t mean anything. People blaming Dave Filoni solely for things they don’t like is just another scape goat for a much bigger problem.
They don’t need him back. Even if they brought him back, things might be good for a minute then will go to shit again. Star Trek was good for decades without Gene Roddenberry. It can be done if you include competent people
Yeah something tells me this isnt true. I like dave filoni is literally the worst when it comes to retcons. Hes changed ahsoka, dark disciple, lords of the sith, kanan comic, dooku jedi lost, darth vader comic. Those are just the ones i can think of. Sure he understands sw but he doesnt seem to care for the extended media I dont think it was a bad idea to separate canon from legends because like it or not, the eu also contradicted a fair bit. What disney should have done is analysed every project individually to pick what they wanted to keep and not just bin everything. There are some great books and comics that have been released under them
Lucas is Yoda now with real children but I believe he’s taught us a great deal. If Disney / Lucasfilm hired me they’d have the next twenty years. I have stories to out pace The Infinity Saga! Have Hope fans!
Sadly George Lucas is old and has no heir to pass on his franchise too. He was tricked into selling to Disney. It also didn’t help that he was bashed for the prequels. I’ll admit they were not good films, but they’re still better than the bantha fodder being served to us by Disney.
He wasn't tricked. He just made a horrendous decision. Two, actually. Selling to Disney and Kennedy as head of LFL. For as much as he hated "the system", he chose to sell to the absolute worst example and epitome of said system. He should have known better. The fact that he didn't just demonstrates how far his judgement had fallen.
FIloni WAS the chosen one, until Ashoka...then he fell off a cliff...he is a hack and has no talent for live action, you can see his "work' during Mando season 3...terrible.
i see. so you want the creator of a franchise to come back to manage the franchise like a mcdonnalds employee? like he has no reason to even give a toss, he took the money and RAN. you ruined it with seeding ideology and changing ESTABLISHED LORE AND WORLD MECHANICS be like saying OK we made Santa clause black and he now dosn't deliver gifts he just drinks your dads liquire cabnet dry and leaves urin up your tree
This always make me laugh when people say "bring back Lucas". People seem to forget what a complete shit show the prequels were when released and how poorly they were received.
No, Lucas is an elderly man at this point and he has little to no interest. By the way, earlier this year he supported the Disney Execs to keep their jobs against a shareholder takeover.
How different would the discussion be if George's sequel was made and the EU was rebooted and everything before made Legends? His story had Luke very Jake Skywalker like as a celibate Jedi with no wife or son.
What evidence do you have that Luke was Jake Skywalker like, celibate, and had no kids in Lucas’ version? All I’ve heard is that Luke would be found on a remote planet by Keera, would be in a dark place spiritually, Keera would help revitalize him and cause him to have a change of heart, and Luke would train her in the ways of the force. The Luke of the last Jedi doesn’t train rey. He tells her the Jedi suck and should die and that he sucks and should die. And we’re meant to conclude that that interpretation is basically the same thing as what Lucas intended?
If I was George Lucas I will buy back my rights to do Star wars again
And make legends canon
He is a shareholder still, so he still partially owns it. For that to happen there will have to be a hostile takeover, and that will be bloody.
George Lucas is not some sort of immortal guy, he's 80.
Overwork at that age can kilI a man, even just stress, and you know how the fans get.
Also a lot of people seem to think that a person is firing with all cylinders upstairs from their prime to the end, this is farrr from the case.
Even Einstein dreaded that as he got older, he'd make stupid decisions.
Lucas is gone. Filoni is what remains. And that's disturbing.
Amen
I don't count Disney woke fan fiction. it's bullsh!t.
Not sure if Filoni is the guy I thought. Favreau seems a little more old school Lucas type.
The perfect mix would be Dave Filoni producing and Tony Gilroy directing
I would ad Favreau in the mix@@TrooperTalks
Filoni is a fraud never liked the guy from the beginning, and he green lighted the acolyte
Remember something, re: Dave Filoni: He's only been in charge of, The Clones Wars, SW: Rebels, The Bad Batch, Tales Of The Jedi/Empire, and 2nd Commander of The Mandoverse. He was the Starter for, SW: Resistance, but wasn't very present for its 2 Season run. He had nothing to do with The Sequel Trilogy, Solo, Rogue One, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The High Republic Multimedia Initiative (which is really good, minus the inappropriate Wokeness that colors it at (too many) times), including the Animated series, Young Jedi Adventures, and (most definitely), The Acolyte. Contrary to what some have been led to believe, Filoni was NOT given the keys to the kingdom, in 2020 (as Executive Creative Director) and 2022 (as Chief Creative Officer). His role as CCO does not afford him power over every department or final say in every piece of content coming from Disney/Lucasfilm Ltd. It's very curious, to me and many others, that, when KK decided to create The Story Group, she never thought to entrust the guidance of the SW IP to George Lucas' protege. I think she knew he was too loyal to Lucas' vision of SW, for her "80% of Our Story Group is made up of WOMEN..." concept. I would say, starting with, Skeleton Crew, close judgement of Mr. Filoni's abilities as a creative head is warranted; now that Kennedy is basically out of the picture (and currently Executive Producing, JURASSIC WORLD: Rebirth, in Hawaii), with Jon Favreau secretly overseeing the reconstruction of Star Wars.
@@TrooperTalksI think all three of them (Favreau, Filoni, & Gilroy) should be the head honchos at Lucasfilm instead of the story group. Also Dave should handle only animation since it’s clear after Ahsoka that’s what he’s best at. That series could’ve brought us an interesting blend of TCW & Rebels style animation and been a true “Rebels sequel” but instead we just got a live action series with the most obvious “trying to pad out our required run-time” style pacing known the man. Either that, or it should’ve been a movie. I’ve heard there’s a fan cut that just came out which actually does this effectively though.
Star Wars films 1-6 are the real movies.
Disney destroyed it all.
Kathleen Kennedy should resign and give back all her salary.
I do not care what disney does or who they get they have spent a decade telling me what a horrible person I am and how nothing they make is for me. As breakups go they were pretty clear that they were done with me, which is fine except that now they realize that they cannot get by without me and want to get back together. To bad for them, I do not trust them and I have no intention on wasting any more of my time and money on someone that hates me but wants to use me.
Man, the old EU was so good... imo at least. I'm not saying EVERYTHING was perfect, but altogether it was a MUCH better expansion of Star Wars than what Disney gave us overall overall.
Completely agree, Disney would have been much better off is they simply adapted the EU stories instead
@@TrooperTalks Lol, I just realized I accidentally put "overall" twice, but I'm gonna keep it in there cause I think it further expresses the "MUCH" in my comment. 😂
Star Wars is Episodes 1 - 6 are the only canon. And I mean this philosophically and technically.
Art comes from the respective artist. Just because you own the rights to a half-painted Picasso, or a half-written Prince song, your insertion of the other half, no matter how true you think your contribution is to the original artist's intentions, does not make it a Picasso or a Prince song. Disney has the rights to Star Wars. It cannot write new Star Wars. At best, Disney can retell George's stories. Anything else from Disney is a fanfiction or "what if."
We have seen what happened with Game of Thrones when the showrunners decided to shoe-horn in their own vision in to seasons 7 and 8. Game of Thrones comes from Martin, Star Wars from George, Harry Potter from JK, and Lord of the Rings from Tolkien. This is how it works.
This does not mean that if George never sold Lucasfilm that his sequel trilogy would have been loved. It would mean that is would have made more fucking sense when juxtaposed with the first six movies. You are at least granted that when the story is continued by the same creative mind that started it.
And don't get me started on the Clone Wars. The overwhelming majority of that garbage was Filoni. And Filoni even did things AGAINST George's advisement on some plot points. That's not to say Filoni was forbidden from doing anything, but George merely disagreed with some things.
Very well said, and I'd also add... Lucas' Star Wars is generational and has stood the test of time. I find it highly unlikely that the same will be said about Disney Star Wars in future. Disney Star Wars is nothing more than a cheap imitation. It's like comparing a strong piece of masterfully hand-crafted furniture that's passed down from generation to generation, to a piece of cheap Ikea crap that will most likely find its way to the curb within a couple of years.
George Lucas is 80. He's done with it.
This.
Filoni is a fake. They need to clean house and get George back.
Filoni sucks, he's a KK disciple. If the series is ever to be saved you need to have Favreau in charge...
The man who made book of boba fett and mando s3
Tony Gilroy > Filoni
None of what they've done is canon on my book anyway
We the fans determine canon and the books are canon and only Rogue One is canon.
The original 3 movies were the good ones and Lucas didn't do it alone.
Lucas didn't do anything alone.
@@claudioforjan1743 He had almost total control of the prequels and they weren't nearly as good as the original 3.
Filoni is a hack & over rated. If Filoni cared he should have walked away.
Exactly how I feel, but many people are apologists for him and others like him. Look at how he handled Ahsoka, the mini-series.
Precisely
Do you actually believe that, if your mentor's company were being overrun and altered by an outside force, that was diluting and twisting his vision, you would leave it, instead of trying to preserve it, and right the ship? Your definition of "care" is a lot off. How do you know that Lucas didn't ask Dave to remain, and be (along w/ Favreau, Knoll, and Chiang) his eyes, ears, and voice?
It's gotten out of hand. For me, KOTOR 1 & 2 are canon, Dawn of the Jedi, Nomi Sunrider. I'm good with the Mandoverse. We'll see what happens
Filoni only cares about witches and Asoka. Even if it breaks whatever version of canon one subscribes to
Yep, the guy has to put Ashoka (which is a mid and canon breaking character) in everything he fucking touches I bet the guy has a body pillow of her
Too late. George was booted out during the production of VII. The only way you could bring him in now would be to erase the entire Disney Star Wars slate and begin again, and that ain't gonna happen.
I'd have to agree. Lucas has more than likely walked away and is enjoying retirement. I'd like to think he never would have sold Star Wars in the first place if he had ever intended to continue on with it.
Filoni doesnt undestand anything but animation. hes good if supervised and kept in check. but otherwise all he wants to do is asoka. badly
FAV IS BETTER THAN FAIL-ONI .... LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MANDA SEASON S's 1&2 ( FAV )...... and season 3 ( FAL )....BIG DIFFERNCE
The damage is done. The franchise is dead. If you dont mind im off to bed!
To fix Star Wars they need to make everything Disney did legends and make all the books canon again and make 2008 clone wars series not canon either… make 2003 clone wars canon. After that just make books, video games, and hopefully an animated movie that looks like the old republic cinematicacs about the parts of the old republic.. more stories with dash rendar also wouldn’t hurt. The force unleashed back to canon. Make Star Wars Great again! lol. Where we knew if someone was cut in half or stabbed they were dead. Now Jedi gotta double think if sith are dead and make it that lightsabers have a delay b4 shutting off.. hence why they don’t just cut them on and off through out battle for easy kills… make games or shows about each council member journey/experiences in the clone wars. Make them powerful. Ahsoka was sorta a Mary sue character. Unnecessary if u ask me… we have shaak ti already… but I guess she helps draw out anakin fall to the dark side but I think she takes away from the other characters I always wanted to know about it grow like quin lin vos or secura or serro keto or cin drallig. Too many interesting characters we could have dived into instead or more of Kimora vosa. Show her past b4 ventress or bring her back somehow since she wasn’t stabbed. No one can do Star Wars but George and the guy who made the 2003 clone wars and the helpers that help do the dialogue and what not in the original trilogy.
This! And I want my MSGA hat!
I'm just pissed that The Book of Boba Fett was ruined by KK. That show had great potential and lots of enthusiasm when it was announced in the post credit scene after the astounding season 2 finale of The Mandalorian. I will never forget the way Boba Fett destroyed all those stormtroopers like an absolute boss in The Mandalorian, we even got to see him finally use the missile on his jetpack. Honestly, I never knew that was a missile before, there was a slight hint of it with the original prototype Kenner action figure that never saw the toy stores in 1979. Speaking of the season 2 finale, the fandom had finally come together and rejoiced over Luke Skywalker's triumphant return to screen, then KK fired Gina Carano for what I consider to be absolutely nothing other than differing political ideals. Evil. If they think they can just recast Cara Dune's actress and get away with that, they have another thing coming. They completely destroyed the emotional weight of The Mandalorian season 2's finale with The Book of Boba Fett by giving Grogu back to Djin Djarin. WTH were they thinking? After so much disappointment starting with Jake Skywalker in The Last Jedi and culminating with the absolute failure of The Acolyte, I have all but checked out. I actually have a hard time even watching the OT now because of how badly Disney damaged the IP.
Just start over with Thrawn trilogy and do EU movies. I mean there's like 100 years of movies there, and its all better then anything Disney has done.
Whoa, whoa, whoa,... Filoni sucks.
I don’t think filoni is the best thing for star wars at all….good job in clone wars but everything else has been Disney approved for sure and wasn’t he a big part of the writing of the acolyte
Filoni is an overrated hack. He’s not the guy.
Disney paid 4 billions because they knew anything with the SW name will sell, but it seems clear to me, they don't like original material. It shows through most of their new projects and they often say so much in interviews. The ones they created that most respected George's SW and build on it, are actually quite good: Mando and Andor. Projects that completely changed our favorite characters, like TLJ and BF are mostly reviled. Projects where Disney openly admits they had an agenda also failed. When they decided right off the bat they wanted a female savior for the Galaxy (KK), we got trilogy where the female hero, Rey, had completely exaggerated powers, while the two male protagonists were put on the side burner. When they decided they wanted a story about LGBTQ in SW before even having a plot (LH), we got the Acolyte.
Most people don't have problems with diversity in SW. It's bad writing people dislike.
If they want to get back on track, Lucasfilms must be lead by people who truly love SW and create projects when they have an interesting story to tell that builds on the lore ONLY. Then while casting, you can worry about diversity.
Years before George Lucas sold Lucasfilm, he came out and said that, to him, only the movies and the TV shows were canon. Disney, basically, kept up with that. Disney destroyed nothing that was officially canon to the Star Wars universe. They kept all that George, himself, felt to be canon.
Everything Disney has done with Star Wars has been fan fiction (including Mandalorian) but the difference is agenda driven narratives were an automatic fail right out of the gate whereas projects done with respect to the canon AND the fans resonated and were highly successful. They were warned but they refused to listen (over and over) and here we are. And it ain't never coming back.
Disney wants to make money but George wanted to make people happy
No they don’t. George can’t do anything. Nobody can do anything. Star Wars is dead. Anything important magical special or meaningful about star wars is dead. They can make *better content. But that won’t / can’t make us believe it care again. In every way that matters or manes sw what it was… is dead. They killed it. Worst… they did it Knowingly. And with a smile. That’s why it can’t be resurrected.
Disney de-canonizing the Expanded Universe was the best thing they ever did. Now all the Disney shit is clearly separate from the true canon.
they have so many books to choose from the dont need trash writers
There is difference between how Disney and Kathleen completely destroyed the original story and George Lucas story and his fans and his truth and giving respect simply George Lucas was Jedi while Disney and Kennedy are Sith
I think you guys are wrong about Filoni. You need to look deeper
I was getting into you guys until your wild Phony Filoni take. Dude is burning the franchise down as we speak. His wife is a wiccan and she runs star wars not him. He approved the acolyte, made Ahsoka and was all over book of boba fett.
Can you please make a “Anakin apologizes to Padme” video?
So did Filoni think The Acolyte was good?
Im not sure even George can save Star Wars at this point. Its folly to save a sinking ship.
All they need to do to succeed is to make movies of the existing EU books. (Heir to the Empire - New Jedi Order - Revan Novels - KOTOR)
George Lucas kept a sort of balance between merchandising and authorship. Disney killed authorship for merchandising and fan service sake. Well, you don't really know what you got until you lose it.
By the way, actually I'm not very happy with Filoni's work. I've always seen his TCW TV show as a sort of fan service for those who hated the prequels.
I don't share your opinion of Filoni, but that's what's great about the true fans. We can disagree. Disney fans must love all the creators and their "products" no matter what. That's a cult, not a fanbase.
I’m pretty sure George’s already been part of it, but you know when the bigger TH-cam channels get everybody to think their way.
Naaa Lucas just needs to keep spending more time with his family for the time he has left.
I never had an issue with Disney wanting to make the EU legend. There were some really amazing EU stories they could have drawn from. Heir to the Empire was one such great storyline, but there were also many stupid stories. Where Disney failed was hiring Kathleen Kennedy as Lucasfilm President and allowing her to put ideology over story in all Star Wars content. They could have used the EU to help shape the galaxy after Return of the Jedi. Had they focused on what was popular in the EU to complete the Skywalker era, they would have easily made their billions back. Instead, they went woke.
George Lucas has to do something.
even inside their own canon, they mess up big time lol, for example, obi and vader having meet between episode 3 and 4, and for nothing lol
I wouldn’t say Filoni cared about the content. He okayed The Acolyte.
False. He didn't. The Acolyte was pre-written around 2019/2020. He was in no position to decide on that pet project of KK and Headland. When he was "brought on" to "okay the scripts", they had already been written, and okayed by Ms. Kennedy. That "X tweet", stating that Filoni had a hand in the overseeing of the writing of that show, quickly got deleted within 24 hours, because it wasn't true. Notice how Dave Filoni's name is nowhere to be found on the credits...but, Pablo HIdalgo's is? Headland mentions Hidalgo, when she's had interviews regarding her show. Headland has made it clear, throughout the press for the show, that is was "her show". Meanwhile, Filoni wasn't part of The Acolyte's SW Celebration panel, nor the press for it, until after the trailers were released. Plus, Filoni has had NO INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER with anything to do with The High Republic. Not the books, comics, Animated series, video games, and certainly not a series that was barely related to the actual Three Phases of storytelling that's been going on in print, since 2021...so, why would he be an authority on a story and time period he's had no hand in crafting? In fact, supposedly, it was due to the disorderly production of, The Acolyte, that led to Kennedy giving Filoni CCO status, only too late. Virtually everything had been set in stone, by the time he was given the title, and filming had already started. Plus, as he's stated, since Fall 2023: His position doesn't give him the powers akin to George Lucas. Kennedy, over the last 11 years, never intended to leave control of "her baby" in the hands of 1 person, let alone a protege of George Lucas.
Wont help at this point the wound is mortal
I wish people would stop saying that George Lucas should come back because he's just not. Retired billionaire that changed Hollywood forever. Let him look towards the twin suns and enjoy his peace. Star Wars ceases to exist anyway
Timothy zahns trilogy with Thrawn are brilliant. Rogue Planet was awesome.
I doubt Lucas would return. After the constant harassment for the PT, and the fact he’s in hie 80’s.
Let the man rest.
I And Many People Want Sir Papa George Lucas And His Star Wars Canon And Not fisney fake wars uncanonical suck. Long Live Sir Papa George Lucas And His Child Star Wars I Want To See Sir Papa George Lucas Sequel Trilogy In Cinema Bye Sir Papa George Lucas. ❤️⭐🌟
George Lucas coming back won't fix Star Wars, it is just dead, the damage has been done.
People can say what they want abt dave that man has banger after banger in animation. I love how yall tell the truth abt disney they need to look an a mirror and get it together but we know they won't
Nah, he has make his fan made OC Ashoka the most important character in the entire saga, the bitch is everywhere now, and George wanted her to die early in the clone wars series
He could come back and I don't think it would really change much
Almost all the retcons are caused by dave filoni. Interesting
Stop acting like everything he made is gold because it absolutely isnt..
George Lucas SW was not perfect. Phantom Menace had very good elements but overall was pretty bad and often cringy. However, GL loved his creation, respected the lore and had no ulterior motives when creating new material, which is a lot more than we can about Disney.
No nobody said it was BUT it’s his creation so you can’t say he doesn’t know it. And at that time Star Wars still was special and held high. Not anymore not even the OT.
Feloni doesnt get anything. He has been making garbage Star Wars. He is just as WOKE is the rest of them!
I’m waiting for these fans who want to blame Filoni to wonder where they’re gonna point the finger at next after Filoni won’t be enough to explain the poor quality. Some Fans gaslit themselves into seeing Dave Filoni as a savior and now they’re gonna gaslit themselves into thinking he’s the devil. If anyone wants to blame Dave Filoni for The Clone Wars I have tough news for you. GL:” I took my Padawan here and I said, "We're not doing that anymore. Now you're entering the world of live action features and we're going to treat this like a live-action feature. We're going to rely on editing rather than storyboarding." And there's a lot of techniques we used that completely shifted the paradigm. It makes a different kind of animated film that relies more on cutting and editing than it does on storyboards and longer shots and that sort of thing. And that was a challenge and we still have a challenge."
Certain EU fans & Prequel haters are nauseating. They’ll complain about Dave Filoni since the run of the clone wars for things the man isn’t even that responsible for while still going up and down about how they prefer George Lucas Star Wars:
You don’t like Ahsoka being alive post clone wars, blame George Lucas. (It was a Dave Filoni idea but George approved it.)
You don’t like Mandalore being pacifists blame George Lucas (A George Lucas idea)
You don’t like Anakin having a Padawan blame George Lucas
(A George Lucas Idea)
You don’t like Ahsoka blame George Lucas. (A George Lucas Character that Dave Filoni expanded on.)
You don’t like the inhibitor chips in the clones blame George & Katie Lucas (George & his daughter came up with this.)
You don’t like the show being more canon then your books, blame George Lucas. (George Lucas has been saying The EU is a parallel universe to his films for years, he’s also been saying The Clone Wars is in the same world as his films , telling the same story, and to him they’re one and the same, if certain Anti Clone Wars EU fans can’t accept George believes that, their idiots.)
He’s the reason all of these things happened. He’s Dave Filoni’s boss.
Dave Filoni was a second in command who did what George told him too. Ironically he was also an EU cheerleader always trying to put EU stuff in the show which George would only accept if he could alter it in some way. That’s all fine. You can be critical of what Filoni does pre or post Disney but to hold him solely responsible for things you don’t like pre/post Disney when it comes to The Clone Wars or anything else he’s apart of is where fact becomes fiction. Dave Filoni played important roles in the show’s development and had creative control but he didn’t have as much creative control as his boss George Lucas who was actually in charge for all of seasons 1-6 and told Filoni what to do when making the show the entire time. George was the main driving force behind the show’s stories and direction more then anyone else involved. The whole reason that Zillow Beast Episode exist for example is because George Lucas walked up in the production of Clone Wars staff and told them they’re doing a Godzilla Episode. He oversaw each and every episode from seasons 1-6 before they were released. Anything some EU fans or prequel haters don’t like about this show , George is a thousand times more responsible for then Dave Filoni. It’s just like with Disney Star Wars , George Lucas isn’t in charge anymore but Dave Filoni has multiple bosses above him who he has to answer to when doing anything , mainly Kathleen Kennedy so what they want is what he will do. The proof is in the pudding, this the reason why George even liked Dave working for him, George To Dave:“Do you know why I enjoy working with you? Well, you listen to me.”
You can be critical of what Filoni does pre or post Disney but to hold him solely responsible for things you don’t like pre/post Disney when it comes to The Clone Wars or anything else he’s apart of is where fact becomes fiction. Dave Filoni played important roles in the show’s development and had creative control but he didn’t have as much creative control as his boss George Lucas who was actually in charge for all of seasons 1-6 and told Filoni what to do when making the show the entire time. George was the main driving force behind the show’s stories and direction more then anyone else involved. The whole reason that Zillow Beast Episode exist for example is because George Lucas walked up in the production of Clone Wars staff and told them they’re doing a Godzilla Episode. He oversaw each and every episode from seasons 1-6 before they were released. Anything some EU fans or prequel haters don’t like about this show , George is a thousand times more responsible for then Dave Filoni. It’s just like with Disney Star Wars , George Lucas isn’t in charge anymore but Dave Filoni has multiple bosses above him who he has to answer to when doing anything , mainly Kathleen Kennedy so what they want is what he will do. The proof is in the pudding, this the reason why George even liked Dave working for him, George To Dave:“Do you know why I enjoy working with you? Well, you listen to me.”
Does Dave Filoni have his own creative ideas and plans when it comes to Star Wars content, yes but Dave Filoni at the end of the day is a team player who does what he’s instructed by whoever’s in charge. Whatever he does or makes is by the influence , supervision and approval of people he works for.
Even if you don’t believe anything George or Dave have openly said about The Clone Wars, Henry Gilroy one of the head writers on this show can answer everyone’s questions.
oh yeah there’s Henry Gilroy Quotes I’ve been meaning to show based on his work with George & Dave to give you a better idea of what their working relationship collaboration is like.
How did The Clone Wars go from script to finished
animation?
The initial 15 or so story ideas were generated by myself and [director] Dave Filoni. We'd develop the stories into one- or two-page premises, then meet with George Lucas and he would input his ideas. Once George liked a Story, we'd go through the outline process to figure out the specific character and plot arcs, and then we'd turn that into a script. Once we were happy, we'd send that back to George for his input. When George liked it, the script went final and the story would go into production, which means characters, ships, and locations are designed by our terrific design team. Then the script is pre-visualized, or storyboarded, by our awesome story team. When the script goes final, it's not really 'final.' The final script would be the end of the writing process on 95 percent of animated television series. But at Lucasfilm, George uses movie-like pre-visualization and editorial stages as a big part of the writing process. The great thing about working this way is that you can really refine the story visually, adding and subtracting story elements to build drama and tension. Even though The Clone Wars started as made for television, George wanted a process where he could be involved creatively at every step. So making The Clone Wars series is morelike making an animated feature except that every single episode is done this way! As Dave and lI came from TV, George would regularly remind us, "We're not making television here. We're making cinema." And that's why it wasn't really a surprise when he decided to release The Clone Wars first as a full-fledged animated feature.
So how readily did you and Dave Filoni collaborate?
In the early days of the studio, somebody created the nickname "Filroy Gilroni" because we were always together. In the very beginning of development, Dave and I used to meet at this coffee shop in Burbank almost every day and talk Star Wars, and we still talk Star Wars every day. We discuss the films, novels, comics and the stories we are developing and how to execute them thematically and visually, and how the characters interact and grow. Did I mention that the coffee shop is right next
door to a Toys "R" Us? After our story meetings we'd go nerd out and see what latest Star Wars goodies were available. Anyway, it's always been a lot of creative give and take, where I might pitch Dave an idea for a character or a story and the next day he'd email me this amazing concept painting for it. Or he would pitch one sentence idea for a story and l'd write it into a two page premise-Plo Koon, hint, hint. Once I get the stories onto paper as premises, outlines, and scripts, Dave reads everything and his collaboration helps me get it ready for George, as well as production. Because Dave sits in editorial so much with George, he knows better than anyone what George wants. As time went on, George gave us boundaries and then took them away. He challenged us all the time to make it better than just good. One of his favorite quotes as he would finish our meetings was, "Dare to be great!"
It sounds like George Lucas was involved every step of the way.
George is the Alpha and the Omega, and is involved in the story from beginning to end. On The Clone Wars, that means from the initial story idea until the final sound mix.
I knew from the moment I got the job that The Clone Wars was going to be George's show. My job was to execute his vision and I have always tried my best to do that.
George was the main driving force behind Clone Wars so he’s the main reason that show is popular whether anyone sees it as a masterpiece, good or decent, I only posted this for those that want to blame Dave Filoni for Star Wars content they don’t like pre Disney showing that Dave Filoni has been misunderstood pre and even post Disney Star Wars by fans who want a face to point to and blame. I will say in other replies in the comments I point out to you how your argument against Dave Filoni post Disney Star Wars have some issues or holes. One being that he recently became The CCO last year which means if you believe that is reason enough to blame him for everything Disney Star Wars over Kathleen Kennedy and others more involved then him, your argument doesn’t hold much ground. Not just was Dave Filoni barely involved in Disney Star Wars outside of the shows he directly made until recently but he’s the only person in Disney Lucasfilm who’s interacting with George Lucas regularly so if you believe Dave Filoni is to blame for everything more then his employers then you’ll also have to blame George Lucas for the advice he gives Filoni & others whenever he visits Disney Lucasfilm. It’s debatable whether they even listen to George Considering his plans are different from there own but if you can concede to that fact then what makes you think Dave Filoni is behind everything a lot of us didn’t like in Disney Star Wars? I don’t believe he’s any “savior” but he also isn’t the anti christ boogeyman some Star Wars fans claim he is, and any issues you or them have with his approach to handling any canon, you’ll have to hold George to task for because Dave Filoni’s loose canon approach was taught to him by George Lucas who had a Multiverse perspective on the different layers of Star Wars Canon pre Disney noting them as Parallel Universes.
Most the issues with Dave Filoni some fans have is due to what he was taught by George Lucas and others involved. Dave Filoni was never the savior of Star Wars, nor was he it’s Devil, Dave Filoni is a company man who does what he’s told, he may get to push in his own interests when he gets the opportunity but he isn’t any mastermind behind what we love or hate about this franchise. He did what George told him too when he worked for him which is why George hired him specifically because Dave Filoni did whatever George wanted , so it’s no surprise to me that Dave Filoni is on board with what Kathleen Kennedy, Bob Iger and everyone else above him demands, he’s doing what he’s always done, follow the rules of the job he works in and if he’s good, they let him get to make a passion project. You can criticize this man but if you want to blame him for what’s been made and ignore everyone else who’s more involved then him, your blind to the actual situation.
Many people who flat out despise Filoni usually ignore the facts of how Lucasfilm ran pre Disney. I’m more of a critic for Disney Star Wars and Disney Lucasfilm and there’s more stuff that I dislike then I like but blaming Dave Filoni for all the problems pre or post Disney Star Wars is pretty dumb when you actually do the research.
Some people try to argue stuff without Filoni involved are great well Dave Filoni also had nothing do with The Kenobi Show, a show that was an abomination to Star Wars. He also had little to do with Book Of Boba Fett which was mostly John Favreu’s direction, he had nothing to do with The High Republic and little to do with The Sequel Trilogy, or The Acolyte which in those cases he just nodded his head at the direction other people would take it. The Mandalorian, & Tales Of The Jedi were mostly well received when they started under his direction. The Bad Batch has a decent following , Star Wars Rebels is pretty popular, are we really blaming Dave Filoni for every mediocre or bad Disney Star Wars project? These metrics aren’t that good if we are, there are many projects that had little to no involvement by Filoni that are controversial or mostly hated, so Andor not having his involvement doesn’t mean anything.
People blaming Dave Filoni solely for things they don’t like is just another scape goat for a much bigger problem.
They don’t need him back. Even if they brought him back, things might be good for a minute then will go to shit again. Star Trek was good for decades without Gene Roddenberry. It can be done if you include competent people
Yeah something tells me this isnt true. I like dave filoni is literally the worst when it comes to retcons. Hes changed ahsoka, dark disciple, lords of the sith, kanan comic, dooku jedi lost, darth vader comic. Those are just the ones i can think of. Sure he understands sw but he doesnt seem to care for the extended media
I dont think it was a bad idea to separate canon from legends because like it or not, the eu also contradicted a fair bit. What disney should have done is analysed every project individually to pick what they wanted to keep and not just bin everything. There are some great books and comics that have been released under them
Lucas is Yoda now with real children but I believe he’s taught us a great deal. If Disney / Lucasfilm hired me they’d have the next twenty years. I have stories to out pace The Infinity Saga! Have Hope fans!
Did you think that disney would reset they Star wars canon’s
Down the Crapper 🚽⬇️
Sadly George Lucas is old and has no heir to pass on his franchise too. He was tricked into selling to Disney. It also didn’t help that he was bashed for the prequels. I’ll admit they were not good films, but they’re still better than the bantha fodder being served to us by Disney.
The prequels are not good films in the sense of filmmaking itself, but as Starwars world building, they’re great.
He wasn't tricked. He just made a horrendous decision. Two, actually. Selling to Disney and Kennedy as head of LFL. For as much as he hated "the system", he chose to sell to the absolute worst example and epitome of said system. He should have known better. The fact that he didn't just demonstrates how far his judgement had fallen.
@@e.l.norton that is true, he had thought better about it, he would have chosen a better company or something. But he chose the greediest of them all
FIloni WAS the chosen one, until Ashoka...then he fell off a cliff...he is a hack and has no talent for live action, you can see his "work' during Mando season 3...terrible.
i see.
so you want the creator of a franchise to come back to manage the franchise like a mcdonnalds employee?
like he has no reason to even give a toss, he took the money and RAN.
you ruined it with seeding ideology and changing ESTABLISHED LORE AND WORLD MECHANICS
be like saying OK we made Santa clause black and he now dosn't deliver gifts he just drinks your dads liquire cabnet dry and leaves urin up your tree
This always make me laugh when people say "bring back Lucas". People seem to forget what a complete shit show the prequels were when released and how poorly they were received.
No, Lucas is an elderly man at this point and he has little to no interest.
By the way, earlier this year he supported the Disney Execs to keep their jobs against a shareholder takeover.
To say George Lucas has "little to no interest" is incorrect. He has been on set for numerous occasions when he doesn't have to even be there.
@@TrooperTalks 'visiting a set and sightseeung'' doesn't mean much in comparison to being an Executive Producer on a SW project.
You people forget that "Fans" drove him away because of the prequels and the hate they had for them. He got out a rich man .
How different would the discussion be if George's sequel was made and the EU was rebooted and everything before made Legends?
His story had Luke very Jake Skywalker like as a celibate Jedi with no wife or son.
What evidence do you have that Luke was Jake Skywalker like, celibate, and had no kids in Lucas’ version? All I’ve heard is that Luke would be found on a remote planet by Keera, would be in a dark place spiritually, Keera would help revitalize him and cause him to have a change of heart, and Luke would train her in the ways of the force. The Luke of the last Jedi doesn’t train rey. He tells her the Jedi suck and should die and that he sucks and should die. And we’re meant to conclude that that interpretation is basically the same thing as what Lucas intended?