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@TheStraightPipes alright guys, first of great commentary throughout the video. Great video overall. I still standby what I said. Some cars in an automatic, especially with ZF or dct transmissions are great, but some cars just need to have a manual transmission. Like the 86 lol. Horsepower and drive train really do affect whether or not a manual or an auto is the better option. Let's be honest though, a 200 hp manual car is super fun, just like a fast manual v8. I'm sure if the Lexus ISF came with a manual trans, you would have got it Jakub. At this point, the only legit reason I see people using when it comes to manual or not, is heavy city traffic, like if you live in LA, or NY. Other than that, if it comes with a manual transmission, you'll have more fun for sure in the manual.
MaRs huh?? Did you mean to type demon charger? They are meant for drag strip, not on a race track (I'm talking road course with turns. Not drag strip).
Lol same. Although i gotta say, i fuckingove my auto 86. Coming from a manual, i have NO REGRETS. The paddles are great and quick when i want to hoon around, but if im lazy or shitty traffic I just leave it in auto. People are really close minded. I think the most annoying thing is people ASSUME im not having fun because its an auto.
@@DysphoriaRL Manual BRZ owner here, I was thinking about this just this morning, I don't want to judge people for having the convenience of an automatic in city traffic, I also own an auto Audi TT and I find I can have tons of fun in that car as well, just a different experience.
just bout an auto 86 coming from a manual 350z and i love the car. since you have to pin it to get the power the paddles are nice. its just a fun car to drive
@@thdremily which is worth getting? I know nothing about driving stick and the mountains I use to go to and from work have alot of unexpected traffic jams.
@@ricardo7352 I do because an exhaust is a waste of money, especially on a car that's just going to sound like a fart can and be the laughing stock of people with real performance cars. These cars should be kept silent because they sound like crap loud!
@@LaMalice65 Yeah yhe Type R is by $10k. And now I own one after having a 2017 Civic Si. Hands down way better car, but for the money, the Si gives you a lot
I own the same car - and I will only own Si's for the rest of my life! - just taking it for a drive is worth every penny (which wasn't alot at all!) What color? Sedan or coupe?
@@mikenormandy9250 Only Si's even if you could afford the R or a GTI? There is a reason I bought the MK7 over the SI, and the Type R is a solid pick if you have to have a Civic. The SI is a good car don't get me wrong but Honda cut a few corners on the inside that steered me away. Also the GTI with the PP pulls significantly harder.
I was cross shopping a 2014 BRZ and a 2015 Civic Si Coupe. I ended up going for the Si. They are both super slow compared to what I was used to, but the Si felt faster to me. The handling was surprisingly close between them. I mainly went for the Si because the sound system was better, it would handle better in winter, and it had better space in the rear seats. In both cases, I had the long term goal of Supercharging it, and once Supercharged, the BRZ would probably be a LOT more fun. But I wasn't willing to sacrifice passenger comfort and winter drivability. Plus, something about having the last ever VTEC Si seems special. It has the k24 engine, which is just peppy enough to be fun, and once supercharged, knowing it will maintain that rev happy, VTEC characteristic just appeals to me. I could have gotten a newer Si for pretty much the exact same price, but making a new one make more power would involve a bigger turbo, which would create lag. And that is not what a Civic should be about. Both of them are super disappointing compared to my heavily modified WRX in terms of driving dynamics and power, but I couldn't justify replacing all the shit I kept breaking on that car anymore lol
@@boardin11 Mine is 2015, pre-turbo model. That's why I'm supecharging it, not turbo. Keep that VTEC characteristic. It's the last ever true VTEC Si, may as well not ruin that with a turbo
Whisky, Weed and whips Watson throw a ct kit on it , 300somthin hp and vtec ... Shiiiit , it will rip. Still like my 08 si better, k20 s SSSSQQQUUUUUUAAAAAADDDDD!!!
@@carscoffeeandcannabis-634 you dont know if its the last ever, Hondas been making civic turbos for 3 years only. I'm all for og vtec engines (owning two 23 year old hondas) but the current gen SI turbos are faster than the previous gen, and can easily be tuned via hondata to get to 230hp more hp/ lbs. of torque for only $600 without voiding warranty. It doesnt take much to get a pretty quick and comfortable daily.
Rape Society This has got to be the only time in the history of man that I agree with Rape, so to speak. Lol, but yeah, those lobster claws are bleh compared to the simplicity of the older Civics.
@@hilhil6294 Since 2016 (all of 10th Generation Civics) however they are killing of the Civic Coupe. No more Manual Transmission Accords or Honda Fits period in the North American market after this year.
I can’t help but wonder how much more fun would the 86 be with the same torque as the Civic Si (an additional 41 lb ft). I like the Civic’s blue paint better than the 86’s blue; it’s less consistently good looking, but has more potential to look good.
@@campkira Torque steer is a FWD issue, and the new SI and Type R have pretty much none. So cut the shit man it's lame to lie so transparently, if a GTI with 230-240whp and 260-270wtq doesn't torque steer neither does the little SI.
Love the Civic for it’s practicality and features plus it’s a blast to drive and is easier in daily commute thanks to the turbo you don’t have to downshift as often to speed up
The 86 automatic in Standard mode using the shifting Paddles you'll fall in love with the car. Then on the interstate put in in Auto and Drive to save fuel.
Got my Si 3 weeks ago and have been watching StraightPipes for about as long (the Type R video from a bit back pulled me in actually) and now they come out with this. Let's just say I am happy.
Aamir 1 Congratulations. I've purchased red 10th Civic Si coupe three weeks ago as well. I'm loving this car more and more each time I drive it. How much did you get yours for?
@@bennybtw5084 it's a great little car efficient practical yet fun and engaging going anywhere is fun in it yet 300 mile drives are comfortable it's a great all around car
I have a '19 Si sedan, and at 6'3" with 35" inseam I can sit behind myself. And the trunk is huge. Car is the size of a previous generation Accord, yet very sporty and light. It's definitely the way to go at this price point.
I just picked up a 10th gen Civic Si Sedan. I love it! It's great for daily. It comes fully loaded with everything. If I wanted a Sports car I would of gotten a used 370z and slapped on some bolt-ons for the price of a new (outdated) 86. The car being RWD or FWD doesn't make a difference 90% of the time you drive. Only when you push it to the limits or take it the track is where it matters. Coming from a Nissan 240SX and an Infiniti G35, the Civic Si handles corners like a champ.
The twins are prized due to the low weight compared to most barring the 2 seat Miata. The problem with the 370Z is still the weight. 500+ lbs more for a 2 seater only is unacceptable. That is nearly Ford Mustang weight, which changes the feel drastically. Not sure the comment on used, as the twins can be had cheaply used as well.
My 2019 Brz is my dream car and I bought it for 25k US back in January. Best car purchase EVER! Drives like a dream! (It’s my daily driver and traffic with the 6speed doesn’t suck that bad for what it is plus I can just romp on it once the traffic clears and glide through the gears 👍👍👍
Pretty sure the Si doesn't turn off traction completely with just one click. You need to this sequence : 1. Turn car on 2. Parking brake off 3. Press and hold brake pedal 4. Turn traction control on and off 5. Parking brake on 6. Release brake pedal 7. Turn traction control on and off 8. Press and hold brake pedal 9. Turn traction control on and off I've tried this in a 2018 model, which will make the VSA lights turn on and the "off" light blinking. Unless they've changed this in the 2019 model
I think, unless you're going to be tracking the car often, or you just REALLY want RWD, the Civic wins hands down as a daily driver, even against the BRZ in manual. Just simply 5k cheaper, more torque, better fuel economy (probably), more cargo and rear passenger space, interior amenities etc. If you really wanted a RWD sports car for 35K I would get a Miata ND at that point lol
not probably, it does have better fuel economy and the car is amazing. i own this car and trust me, all that paper jargon like fwd, understeer blah blah wont matter when u drive it, it flicks well, very responsive front end, its an amazing car, also really fast actually
The BRZ automatic gear ratios are more for fuel efficiency than performance while the manual version is more geared for performance (The reason why the manual gets worse average fuel economy than automatic)
@@TeamGun yepp 2017 WRB brz. Can you explain why the manual gets worse gas mileage than the auto then? Usually in autos energy is lost through the torque converter which means manual should and almost always has a better fuel economy
Ethan Colaco you’re talking about things how they were in the past. More gears = better fuel savings. So in the past a 4 speed auto would get worse numbers than a 5 speed manual. Today, with 6 speed autos (or more gears) the auto is always rated higher mpg than the manual, in any car. Modern day automatics just have more gears and they can shift faster than any human can, and at precisely the right time (driving in normal situations). A human can’t replicate that, and a human can’t do it consistently so mpg suffers.
Came back to this video now that I’m 18 and have money to buy a car and a used Auto 86/BRZ is as tempting as can be for a daily, once again cheers for the video lads
I've owned my FR-S for nearly 7 years and have never - EVER - had anyone in the backseats. I just don't know any circus contortionists. My Miata has more backseat room.... *crickets*
maybe you just don't know anyone. I've fit 5 people in the car before 5'5-5'8 height range and their backpacks. 4 people it's really fucking tight for everyone but in a pinch it works.
@@edward101697 I feel like people misunderstand the coined term turbocharge nowadays, because used to be for higher velocity output, now it's gas economy.
The 86 looks so much better, but the civic is probably the most fun to drive...either way, both these cars are slow AF for today’s 4banger turbo era...
I haven’t driven either one but the 86 looks so much better than the Civic. But the radio in the 86 looks like someone went to Best Buy and bought the least expensive head unit that fit, that car really needs a refresh. But to me Miata is always the answer.
First of all, who in the world would buy an automatic 86? Those cars shouldn't even come with anything other than a manual transmission. Second, FWD Maunual for sure. #SaveTheManuals
@@TheStraightPipes alright guys, first of great commentary throughout the video. Great video overall. I still standby what I said. Some cars in an automatic, especially with ZF or dct transmissions are great, but some cars just need to have a manual transmission. Like the 86 lol. Horsepower and drive train really do affect whether or not a manual or an auto is the better option. Let's be honest though, a 200 hp manual car is super fun, just like a fast manual v8. I'm sure if the Lexus ISF came with a manual trans, you would have got it Jakub. At this point, the only legit reason I see people using when it comes to manual or not, is heavy city traffic, like if you live in LA, or NY. Other than that, if it comes with a manual transmission, you'll have more fun for sure in the manual.
@@SC87Returns Not even. Toyota supplied most of the car in the development aside from the engine (which yet uses their own fuel injection technology) and the manufacturing process in sharing costs to keep costs down. After the 86 was made and became a success, the Subaru took the 86 and made a twin out of it. The BRZ is therefore the rebadged 86.
You guys are becoming my favorite reviewers. Funny and informative. The side by side speaking is awesome. I got a 2019 Golf R dsg yesterday after watching your stinger vs golf r video
While I like the blue on the 86 I feel that's a color for a Porsche 911, like that classic bubble gum blue, the Electric Blue on the Si seems like just any ordinary blue but when you come out of the car wash with a fresh coat of wax on it and the sun hits it at just the right angle it never fails to put a smile on your face.
Johan Mikkelsen yes. An auto absolutely doesn’t go with any sports car whether a Mustang or Porsche or BMW coupe... but then I did get passed in my Civic by a Porsche Cayman with paddle shifters. It shifts fast and sounds sooooooo good but I like to get all of my limbs moving and having fun!
@@That1lowaccord If it is equipped with the automatic, you are correct. If the FRS is also manual, posted data shows it to be a touch quicker but the gap is so close that the driver is going to be the most important factor (and tires since FRS's had poor traction tires from the factory).
@@davidkeller2832The frs is slower regardless, put $400 in the civic for a ktuner which still makes it thousand less than the frs and there is absolutely no competition between the two,
What a great comparison and a great idea. For me it would be FWD manual all the way! As much as I like RWD there is just something about rowing your own gears in a car with a good manual that can't be beat and Honda makes amazing manuals AND Honda knows how to make FWD cars. To be honest, not having a manual is what I really miss from a lot of "modern" sports cars and super cars. It is no accident that I am a FK8 Honda Civic Type R owner. People just need to learn how to drive manual. IMHO I believe manuals also help save lives because when you are in a manual it forces you to focus on driving and to use both hands when you are driving. I can't tell you how many people I have seen texting or using their phones while driving automatics. You just can't do that in a manual. If Honda stops making manuals it would be a huge loss to the automotive community.
As an auto brz owner the paddle shifters offer a great experience when you want manual control and chuck it in auto while stuck in traffic. I’ve never had a more fun car to drive!
Shame I just found this video, my adopted sister just got her hands on a 2020 Civic Si, whereas I got an auto Oceanic 2019 86 GT this past Fall as my first car, in an auto, and I don't regret it one bit. It handles smooth, it turns like a dream, and the only things I've considered changing (or already changed) were the stock "nav upgrade" head unit (stupid idea to put such a slow 2005-era HU in a brand new car, jfc) for a wireless AA Pioneer unit, and a set of Tein coilovers to smooth out the road bumpiness. A great daily for an awful work commute (40-50 miles daily in DC traffic) and for shredding those curvy, hilly rural roads that I take instead of the highway. Only thing I dislike so far is that Audis and Teslas like to pick on me over my "speed" deficiency. I try to pay them no mind, though, let their asses get pulled over for trying to race me, lol. Actually considering the manual if my work commute changes, though. I understand the concept and have applied it in practice, but I didn't want to deal with that in a daily. Great car, even in an automatic, and I hope others see this.
There is no reason in my opinion to get an 86 that is auto. Si all day unless the 86 is manual then it’s 86 all day. I can’t justify having an auto 86 my friend had an auto 86 and let me drive it. It was the most boring car I have driven to date. I had more fun driving the new corolla with a manual then I did driving the auto 86. My friend then proceeded to sell his auto 86 and got a fiesta ST and he loves it so much more then the 86.
On the phone slot, I had gotten my Galaxy S3, the next day my FRS. The phone fit perfectly. The current larger phones no longer fit, so blame the phone companies for that.
@@Crlarl I understand that they wanted an "aggressive" look for the Type R, but it looks like something a kid watching old Fast and the Furious movies would think to design. It's a missed opportunity for Honda IMHO as they might have reeled in more customers (older customers) that shied/ran away due to it's mutated looks.
@El Duderino Just over 6'3" here and got the 2019 Si Sedan - definitely more head room than the 2014 Si. Your hair will probably touch the roof in the 2019 at 6'5"
Continue your great job guys this is the best Channel i saw love how you work your stuff make me 🤣 excellent content great camera angles Nice fusion together 👍👍👍👍👍
I've been driving a brz for the last 5 years, and sometimes I feel like it's time to go for some other car, but I just can't find the right replacement for it. It's such a good car, and it's really fun to drive. It would be a waste to spend money on something else because for sure I'd regret it !
Owned an automatic 86 for four years, added a Jackson supercharger after 30k. It was a great car, still miss it. The supercharger only added ~60hp, ~50tq, but that's all you really need in such a light car. Own a Stinger GT now because I need more cargo space, and I can honestly say I had the same amount of fun in my 86 that I do in the Stinger. BTW, you need to hold down the traction control button until TRAC OFF appears and stays on. You'll have a much easier time sidewaysing your 86. You really can't hold a drift for long with just the standard traction control off option, stability will kick in ~2-3 seconds into your drift and set you straight. Learned that the hard way on an exit ramp, straightened me right into a guard rail. I shed a manly tear for my baby, won't lie. Might look into getting the Stinger GT-S with AWD/RWD decoupling after it's been out for a year or two, really digging the Stinger. Would be nice if they made a Stinger coupe and kept the liftback, I'd be all over that. AWD is almost always quicker, but you do miss RWD, even with the Stinger's rear-bias, close but no cigar.
Eh I went from a 5 speed manual to a auto FRS and it’s a ton of fun. Sometimes I get auto, sometimes manual, just depends on what I’m looking at and how it feels. The auto FRS saved me $10k, I got it for so cheap, and it’s a blast I love this car by far my favourite car I’ve ever owned.
My 09 Civic SI was a great little car, with the factory "aero kit" and 6 speed Manual, car had clean simple lines. Not a bunch of plastic up front. Also not a fan of the taillights, I think the SI gets uglier every year.
@@Stexen As far as I can tell, the 2019 Toyota 86 with the "GT" trim as shown here is exactly the same as the 2017 "860 Special Edition" Toyota 86 EXCEPT the reverse camera pops up on the infotainment screen where it should. They had it right and then decided to mess it all up. I have the 860 edition and it's great, although I'll probably upgrade the infotainment system at some point since the one Toyota puts in all their vehicles is kind of lackluster.
did I see you guys filming in GTIs around Rattlesnake Point Conservation area a few weeks ago? I saw someone with that same camera set up cruising up a cool little corner by the park that could be the NEXT cliche corner!
Michael Vaca I have had both as well. I love my Si more too. More comfort and is a tad bit faster with a beautiful interior set up. My brz does win in exterior though everyone can agree with that
3:33 Wow that's actually a really hard choice! I think the Civic sounds really good for an I4, and the 86 sounds disappointing for a Boxer 4, but Boxer 4s inherently sound cooler sooooo they come out almost as a coin flip for me.
Love your vids. Owning a '17 SI now, and having owned rwd sports cars, surprisingly the SI is one of the most fun cars to drive. The chassis work is so tight. And yes, sport mode does sharpen the handling and steering noticeably. Since the basic chassis is so good, the SI handles really well in normal mode. That is why you didn't feel the difference right away. One huh? moment watching your review: how did the 86 sound better? Not from the video, where you couldn't even hear it. Not close. Maybe it sounds better live. Not that either car's sound is making Fiat Abarth owners jealous. If they can hear their exhaust over the screaming plunge of their resale values. The 86/BRZ just seems like someone said 'hey, let's build a 280 ZX again.' Which is fine. I enjoyed that car too. And it had less lag from its six cylinder NA engine than the Toybaru twins. If a sports car is ever better with an automatic, then you are looking at a design fail. Great athletes are called 'clutch' players for a reason. Mic drop.
Great video guys. I think its fairly evident that the Toyota 86 is meant to be in manual. Not that its bad in automatic, but the manual is better. This comparison is fair, but I think there are some better comparisons. In my opinion, I think an interesting comparison would be the manual Toyota 86 TRD edition vs the Honda Civic SI HFP. Although, we're still comparing apples to oranges with a rwd vs fwd car. I think the Toyota 86 TRD vs the new Mazda Miata would be a good comparison as well. RWD coupe vs RWD coupe. The Toyotas interior seems refreshingly retro to me at this point. Missing some of the gadgets we now expect in 2019 cars, but thats ok with me.
I think I need to move to Canada. I love the fact that there are so few cars on the road. Where I live in south Florida, any time of day or night we have way too many cars on the road. I'll keep the Florida weather though. . .
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Which team are you on, FWD Manual or RWD Auto? Why?
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Fwd manual over rwd auto 100%
manual rwd.... RWD auto is for everyday driving... I hated FWD HOWEVER GOOD it is... Torque steer....
Fwd manual all day new Honda Civic Type R is a beast
TheStraightPipes Love the 86 but yeah can’t do the auto. Also, more comparos!
@TheStraightPipes alright guys, first of great commentary throughout the video. Great video overall. I still standby what I said.
Some cars in an automatic, especially with ZF or dct transmissions are great, but some cars just need to have a manual transmission. Like the 86 lol.
Horsepower and drive train really do affect whether or not a manual or an auto is the better option. Let's be honest though, a 200 hp manual car is super fun, just like a fast manual v8. I'm sure if the Lexus ISF came with a manual trans, you would have got it Jakub.
At this point, the only legit reason I see people using when it comes to manual or not, is heavy city traffic, like if you live in LA, or NY. Other than that, if it comes with a manual transmission, you'll have more fun for sure in the manual.
how about you get them both in manual and then redo this entire video.
The only thing that will be added is that the toyota can drift and the civic cant
Yeah, thats what i prefer too.
@@mars9075 take both cars out for a track day or auto-x and watch the 86 smash the civic. The civic will understeer and push through every corner
@@chiropaul 86 wont do shit on a track smart guy. Civic is fwd and 86 is not. Watch videos on how the civic destroys the demob charger on track
MaRs huh?? Did you mean to type demon charger? They are meant for drag strip, not on a race track (I'm talking road course with turns. Not drag strip).
The shape of the Toyota 86's stereo unit tells me that Toyota knew the buyer of the 86 will install a aftermarket stereo.
Something tells me that the creator of the car intended it to be this way but just a guess
I just bought one and I already know which aftermarket head unit to get :)
Head Unit
Just remember it's not double din, it's the Japanese standard which is about an inch wider :D
As the owner of an Auto FRS I felt like an uninvited guest watching this video and reading the comments
Lol same. Although i gotta say, i fuckingove my auto 86. Coming from a manual, i have NO REGRETS. The paddles are great and quick when i want to hoon around, but if im lazy or shitty traffic I just leave it in auto. People are really close minded.
I think the most annoying thing is people ASSUME im not having fun because its an auto.
@@DysphoriaRL Manual BRZ owner here, I was thinking about this just this morning, I don't want to judge people for having the convenience of an automatic in city traffic, I also own an auto Audi TT and I find I can have tons of fun in that car as well, just a different experience.
@@DysphoriaRL exactly, if youre having fun with YOUR car, that is all that should matter, regardless of transmission.
just bout an auto 86 coming from a manual 350z and i love the car. since you have to pin it to get the power the paddles are nice. its just a fun car to drive
@@thdremily which is worth getting?
I know nothing about driving stick and the mountains I use to go to and from work have alot of unexpected traffic jams.
Honda Civic HDMI Exaust lol
Like your pic
Lol hahaha
I have a 17 Civic SI and LMFAO @ HDMI exhaust!!! :)
Aftermarket exhaust, who does stock nowadays?
@@ricardo7352 I do because an exhaust is a waste of money, especially on a car that's just going to sound like a fart can and be the laughing stock of people with real performance cars. These cars should be kept silent because they sound like crap loud!
This was just a comparison of automatic vs manual. Why not get the cheaper 86 with a comparable transmission? This whole video seemed pointless
Canyon Cerva cause the Si is most expensive Civic
@@LaMalice65 nope, the type r is
@@LaMalice65 civic touring, in coupe/sedan. Sport touring in the hatch
@@LaMalice65 Yeah yhe Type R is by $10k. And now I own one after having a 2017 Civic Si. Hands down way better car, but for the money, the Si gives you a lot
U seem butthurt
I have a 17 Civic Si as a daily and I absolutely love it.. I don’t live too far from work and I’ll take the long way just to enjoy the ride.
Awesome
You immediately have my envy on that. XD it's the drive that makes it matter to own a car like that
I own the same car - and I will only own Si's for the rest of my life! - just taking it for a drive is worth every penny (which wasn't alot at all!) What color? Sedan or coupe?
Me too man. I have a 2017 silver coupe and love it. It is more than adequate for an enthusiast and daily driver fun.
@@mikenormandy9250 Only Si's even if you could afford the R or a GTI? There is a reason I bought the MK7 over the SI, and the Type R is a solid pick if you have to have a Civic. The SI is a good car don't get me wrong but Honda cut a few corners on the inside that steered me away. Also the GTI with the PP pulls significantly harder.
“Bro we’ve got the HDMI cable” 😂
Your timing is impeccable as I was comparing these exact cars yesterday! Thanks boys!
I was cross shopping a 2014 BRZ and a 2015 Civic Si Coupe. I ended up going for the Si. They are both super slow compared to what I was used to, but the Si felt faster to me. The handling was surprisingly close between them. I mainly went for the Si because the sound system was better, it would handle better in winter, and it had better space in the rear seats. In both cases, I had the long term goal of Supercharging it, and once Supercharged, the BRZ would probably be a LOT more fun. But I wasn't willing to sacrifice passenger comfort and winter drivability.
Plus, something about having the last ever VTEC Si seems special. It has the k24 engine, which is just peppy enough to be fun, and once supercharged, knowing it will maintain that rev happy, VTEC characteristic just appeals to me. I could have gotten a newer Si for pretty much the exact same price, but making a new one make more power would involve a bigger turbo, which would create lag. And that is not what a Civic should be about.
Both of them are super disappointing compared to my heavily modified WRX in terms of driving dynamics and power, but I couldn't justify replacing all the shit I kept breaking on that car anymore lol
Whisky, Weed and whips Watson you just need a KTuner with the bigger turbo and it cuts out the lag. I plan on doing that with my 2019 si
@@boardin11 Mine is 2015, pre-turbo model. That's why I'm supecharging it, not turbo. Keep that VTEC characteristic. It's the last ever true VTEC Si, may as well not ruin that with a turbo
Whisky, Weed and whips Watson throw a ct kit on it , 300somthin hp and vtec ... Shiiiit , it will rip. Still like my 08 si better, k20 s
SSSSQQQUUUUUUAAAAAADDDDD!!!
@@carscoffeeandcannabis-634 you dont know if its the last ever, Hondas been making civic turbos for 3 years only. I'm all for og vtec engines (owning two 23 year old hondas) but the current gen SI turbos are faster than the previous gen, and can easily be tuned via hondata to get to 230hp more hp/ lbs. of torque for only $600 without voiding warranty. It doesnt take much to get a pretty quick and comfortable daily.
Those Civic Coupe Tailights looks amazing at night.
Rape Society This has got to be the only time in the history of man that I agree with Rape, so to speak. Lol, but yeah, those lobster claws are bleh compared to the simplicity of the older Civics.
Definitely!! I love looking at them too! Love my ‘19 Si!
@@hilhil6294 & now with the demise of the coupe it'll be a collector's car one day.
Liam JP Richardson but isn’t it a Honda thing, like going on 2 years now..?
The design of the tail lights?
@@hilhil6294 Since 2016 (all of 10th Generation Civics) however they are killing of the Civic Coupe. No more Manual Transmission Accords or Honda Fits period in the North American market after this year.
I have a manual Toyota 86 don't even know why I'm watching this LOL
Yeah I drive a 2016 Manual brz LOL
My brother has an automatic 17' brz and I hate it lol. The automatic in it actually blows.
same lol
@@EakEmk I'm curious about why your brother decided to go with an automatic, is he older than 40 or something?
@@raulferro3998 No just an idiot
I can’t help but wonder how much more fun would the 86 be with the same torque as the Civic Si (an additional 41 lb ft). I like the Civic’s blue paint better than the 86’s blue; it’s less consistently good looking, but has more potential to look good.
I have both don't matter... Torque steer....
198whp 212wtq yeah that would be great in the GT-86.
@@campkira Torque steer is a FWD issue, and the new SI and Type R have pretty much none. So cut the shit man it's lame to lie so transparently, if a GTI with 230-240whp and 260-270wtq doesn't torque steer neither does the little SI.
Matthew Callaway imagine how much more character the 86 would be if it had a proper inline 4 motor on it.
@@iheartgs400 I would 3rz swap it and rotrex it or turbo
I went from an 8th gen Si to two VWs and now an M2. The Si will always hold a special place in my heart for how fun it is for the cost.
I prefer the front of the Civic, but the rear of the 86.... Overall I'd buy the Civic Si
Love the Civic for it’s practicality and features plus it’s a blast to drive and is easier in daily commute thanks to the turbo you don’t have to downshift as often to speed up
The 86 automatic in Standard mode using the shifting Paddles you'll fall in love with the car. Then on the interstate put in in Auto and Drive to save fuel.
Too bad it yuo have to put premium fuel in it. 👎
Got my Si 3 weeks ago and have been watching StraightPipes for about as long (the Type R video from a bit back pulled me in actually) and now they come out with this. Let's just say I am happy.
Aamir 1 Congratulations. I've purchased red 10th Civic Si coupe three weeks ago as well. I'm loving this car more and more each time I drive it. How much did you get yours for?
I was cross-shopping these two cars up until a few weeks ago. Ultimately went with the Civic Si and I've been more than happy with it.
Me too brooo. Was Subaru all the way until my engine .. bullet proof gang
It's so much more practical, fun to drive I got a blue sedan last week for being the most enjoyable option in my price range
@@davidpistek6241 how have you liked it so far
It's fun and perfect for everyday use ,37mpg on trips 35 mpg commute
@@bennybtw5084 it's a great little car efficient practical yet fun and engaging going anywhere is fun in it yet 300 mile drives are comfortable it's a great all around car
I have a '19 Si sedan, and at 6'3" with 35" inseam I can sit behind myself. And the trunk is huge. Car is the size of a previous generation Accord, yet very sporty and light. It's definitely the way to go at this price point.
How’s the rear visibility? Does the spoiler impede it?
Kevin Norris the rears visibility in the coupe is scarce. I mainly use the backup camera
I just picked up a 10th gen Civic Si Sedan. I love it! It's great for daily. It comes fully loaded with everything. If I wanted a Sports car I would of gotten a used 370z and slapped on some bolt-ons for the price of a new (outdated) 86.
The car being RWD or FWD doesn't make a difference 90% of the time you drive. Only when you push it to the limits or take it the track is where it matters. Coming from a Nissan 240SX and an Infiniti G35, the Civic Si handles corners like a champ.
The twins are prized due to the low weight compared to most barring the 2 seat Miata. The problem with the 370Z is still the weight. 500+ lbs more for a 2 seater only is unacceptable. That is nearly Ford Mustang weight, which changes the feel drastically. Not sure the comment on used, as the twins can be had cheaply used as well.
That says alot coming from you because g35 and g37 have excellent handling
@Lucas Cruz what would be your car of choice compared to the cars they said? just curious
My 2019 Brz is my dream car and I bought it for 25k US back in January. Best car purchase EVER! Drives like a dream! (It’s my daily driver and traffic with the 6speed doesn’t suck that bad for what it is plus I can just romp on it once the traffic clears and glide through the gears 👍👍👍
Sorry to hear you bought a subbie
Sorry to hear you bought a subbie
Slow underpowered but I guess reliable
@@issavibez394
LOL
This is the comparison I didn't know I needed.
Same but glad I watched it
Si all the way
OMG finally a Comparison Car Review after sooo long!
Bring them back?
@@TheStraightPipes Make more of these content please
I just got the Civic Si a week ago and am really enjoying it. It is really forgiving to people new at driving manual as well.
I love that yall consider more than just stats and that you give multiple perspectives on each car.
Pretty sure the Si doesn't turn off traction completely with just one click. You need to this sequence :
1. Turn car on
2. Parking brake off
3. Press and hold brake pedal
4. Turn traction control on and off
5. Parking brake on
6. Release brake pedal
7. Turn traction control on and off
8. Press and hold brake pedal
9. Turn traction control on and off
I've tried this in a 2018 model, which will make the VSA lights turn on and the "off" light blinking. Unless they've changed this in the 2019 model
CZ Studio that’s only if you want to fully turn it off I don’t think much people do that
That’s ridiculously complicated.
I think, unless you're going to be tracking the car often, or you just REALLY want RWD, the Civic wins hands down as a daily driver, even against the BRZ in manual. Just simply 5k cheaper, more torque, better fuel economy (probably), more cargo and rear passenger space, interior amenities etc. If you really wanted a RWD sports car for 35K I would get a Miata ND at that point lol
not probably, it does have better fuel economy and the car is amazing. i own this car and trust me, all that paper jargon like fwd, understeer blah blah wont matter when u drive it, it flicks well, very responsive front end, its an amazing car, also really fast actually
The BRZ automatic gear ratios are more for fuel efficiency than performance while the manual version is more geared for performance (The reason why the manual gets worse average fuel economy than automatic)
Ethan Colaco wrong, do you even own a brz,86,frs? Doubt it
@@TeamGun yepp 2017 WRB brz. Can you explain why the manual gets worse gas mileage than the auto then? Usually in autos energy is lost through the torque converter which means manual should and almost always has a better fuel economy
Ethan Colaco you’re talking about things how they were in the past. More gears = better fuel savings. So in the past a 4 speed auto would get worse numbers than a 5 speed manual. Today, with 6 speed autos (or more gears) the auto is always rated higher mpg than the manual, in any car. Modern day automatics just have more gears and they can shift faster than any human can, and at precisely the right time (driving in normal situations). A human can’t replicate that, and a human can’t do it consistently so mpg suffers.
Cars nowadays always get better mpg with auto.There is no logical reason to get stick but it’s all I drive.
The manuals are actually faster than the automatics, its all in the gear ratios
No matter the drivetrain, manual will be my choice
Meow
Came back to this video now that I’m 18 and have money to buy a car and a used Auto 86/BRZ is as tempting as can be for a daily, once again cheers for the video lads
I always prefer RWD, but manual FWD over automatic RWD any day
Especially if it's an automatic looks like a mannual
@@jasondavis1453 it comes in manual i dont know why they got the auto
Dumb
Nicholas Patino save the sticks!
agree, unless it's a big luxury sedan like a jag or lexus
I've owned my FR-S for nearly 7 years and have never - EVER - had anyone in the backseats. I just don't know any circus contortionists. My Miata has more backseat room.... *crickets*
For a second I thought you were trying to spell circumstances.
maybe you just don't know anyone. I've fit 5 people in the car before 5'5-5'8 height range and their backpacks. 4 people it's really fucking tight for everyone but in a pinch it works.
Undr Grnd lol yea right
I had sex in the back of mine
I have a turbo charged 2017 Civic sedan, and I love it. Having SI would be even better!
Denis Klyuzov hows it turbo charged ?
@@MrSlidthunder stock L15 1.5 turbo engines that come in most civics in North America, including the SI.
@@edward101697 I feel like people misunderstand the coined term turbocharge nowadays, because used to be for higher velocity output, now it's gas economy.
The 86 looks so much better, but the civic is probably the most fun to drive...either way, both these cars are slow AF for today’s 4banger turbo era...
What I like about you guys is that you are having so much fun
I haven’t driven either one but the 86 looks so much better than the Civic. But the radio in the 86 looks like someone went to Best Buy and bought the least expensive head unit that fit, that car really needs a refresh. But to me Miata is always the answer.
harrismi7 All true. At least the 86 head unit is standard double DIN so easily swapped for something from the 2000s.
First of all, who in the world would buy an automatic 86? Those cars shouldn't even come with anything other than a manual transmission.
Second, FWD Maunual for sure. #SaveTheManuals
Some people daily's an 86. And commuting in a manual car is hell
But it’s only been 5 mins since the video went live. You haven’t watched it all yet 🙁
@@TheStraightPipes still watching through brotha. I still stand by my point tho ;]
MaxSpeed Personally for me Toyota makes better automatics and Honda better manuals.
@@TheStraightPipes alright guys, first of great commentary throughout the video. Great video overall. I still standby what I said.
Some cars in an automatic, especially with ZF or dct transmissions are great, but some cars just need to have a manual transmission. Like the 86 lol.
Horsepower and drive train really do affect whether or not a manual or an auto is the better option. Let's be honest though, a 200 hp manual car is super fun, just like a fast manual v8. I'm sure if the Lexus ISF came with a manual trans, you would have got it Jakub.
At this point, the only legit reason I see people using when it comes to manual or not, is heavy city traffic, like if you live in LA, or NY. Other than that, if it comes with a manual transmission, you'll have more fun for sure in the manual.
Not only a a Straight Popes video on my day off but including my Si! Nice!
Straight Popes - more rare than the Toyota 86.
@@mbrunnme hahaha I just noticed that typo - damn A/c - thanks bro!
The price difference 😬. You get wayyyyy more out of the civic.
Yep.. no matter how much I love Toyota, this one is won by Civic.. There's no arguing that..
@@triparadox.c I want Toyota to be an exciting car company again ;_;
Filmed in Milton! Good to see some local reviews. Great work guys, love the channel!
Speed racers on Tremaine --------- what a surprise!
Love when you do these comparison videos!! Civic Si
I would love to se GT86/BRZ vs MX-5 (and maybe vs Civic SI or other small fun cars in that price range)
Maybe Vs Honda S2000
@@skywalker2852 S2000 is better than any of those in terms of driving
savagegeese has a showdown with gt86 vs s2000 vs miata
I always peak to see if 86/brz are automatics. I didn’t know they looked almost the same...
That because the 86 is really a Subaru with a Toyota badge.
@@SC87Returns no, the automatic mode selector looks like a shifter
Yeah I had my 86 in for oil and walked the Toyota dealer lot to pass time. I peaked at an auto and did a double take. I laughed
Same, I always check for paddles
@@SC87Returns Not even. Toyota supplied most of the car in the development aside from the engine (which yet uses their own fuel injection technology) and the manufacturing process in sharing costs to keep costs down.
After the 86 was made and became a success, the Subaru took the 86 and made a twin out of it. The BRZ is therefore the rebadged 86.
You guys are becoming my favorite reviewers. Funny and informative. The side by side speaking is awesome. I got a 2019 Golf R dsg yesterday after watching your stinger vs golf r video
If a vehicle is going to made as a sports car, it better be manual. And if you bought it as an automatic, you better not tell anyone.
I enjoyed the reverse speed camera editing when picking a winner. Nice reviews!
I love these videos where you're each in a different car 😄
Daaayyyum the 86's bright aqua blue looks so freaking good. If I could get that blue on the Si I'd be completely sold.
While I like the blue on the 86 I feel that's a color for a Porsche 911, like that classic bubble gum blue, the Electric Blue on the Si seems like just any ordinary blue but when you come out of the car wash with a fresh coat of wax on it and the sun hits it at just the right angle it never fails to put a smile on your face.
The 86 had no chance. They didnt drive them hard so the wheels dont make enough of a difference. This is a really poor comparison
Driving the cars backwards at 17:07 lol.......you guys are so much fun to watch. Dork out!
17:10 reverse was kinda trippy lol...it's like when you're parked and the car beside you reverses and it feels like your car is moving forward
Its funny because here in Denmark almost every car is manual, and whenever you get into an auto youre like “wooow, luxury”
Johan Mikkelsen yes. An auto absolutely doesn’t go with any sports car whether a Mustang or Porsche or BMW coupe... but then I did get passed in my Civic by a Porsche Cayman with paddle shifters. It shifts fast and sounds sooooooo good but I like to get all of my limbs moving and having fun!
James Medina If I were lucky enough to afford a 911, I'm pretty sure I would go with an auto tbh
Manual Si or automatic 86? The answer is - manual BRZ! happy BRZ owner here lol
I hear one in my apt. garage every day. Damn, I am so jealous of you BRZ owner! They fricking rock.
Nick O same haha! Crystal pearl white tS. :-)
@@That1lowaccord If it is equipped with the automatic, you are correct. If the FRS is also manual, posted data shows it to be a touch quicker but the gap is so close that the driver is going to be the most important factor (and tires since FRS's had poor traction tires from the factory).
@@That1lowaccord shingo spotted
@@davidkeller2832The frs is slower regardless, put $400 in the civic for a ktuner which still makes it thousand less than the frs and there is absolutely no competition between the two,
the drone work at 15:12 Bravo!!! You guys nailed this video
down for up, up for down shifting for the win. love my SMT.
Size 13 feet!? You know what they say about big feet... Different pedal preferences
Greg Shovlin ;)
That 86 infotainment tho
What a great comparison and a great idea. For me it would be FWD manual all the way! As much as I like RWD there is just something about rowing your own gears in a car with a good manual that can't be beat and Honda makes amazing manuals AND Honda knows how to make FWD cars. To be honest, not having a manual is what I really miss from a lot of "modern" sports cars and super cars. It is no accident that I am a FK8 Honda Civic Type R owner. People just need to learn how to drive manual. IMHO I believe manuals also help save lives because when you are in a manual it forces you to focus on driving and to use both hands when you are driving. I can't tell you how many people I have seen texting or using their phones while driving automatics. You just can't do that in a manual. If Honda stops making manuals it would be a huge loss to the automotive community.
As an auto brz owner the paddle shifters offer a great experience when you want manual control and chuck it in auto while stuck in traffic. I’ve never had a more fun car to drive!
Shame I just found this video, my adopted sister just got her hands on a 2020 Civic Si, whereas I got an auto Oceanic 2019 86 GT this past Fall as my first car, in an auto, and I don't regret it one bit. It handles smooth, it turns like a dream, and the only things I've considered changing (or already changed) were the stock "nav upgrade" head unit (stupid idea to put such a slow 2005-era HU in a brand new car, jfc) for a wireless AA Pioneer unit, and a set of Tein coilovers to smooth out the road bumpiness. A great daily for an awful work commute (40-50 miles daily in DC traffic) and for shredding those curvy, hilly rural roads that I take instead of the highway. Only thing I dislike so far is that Audis and Teslas like to pick on me over my "speed" deficiency. I try to pay them no mind, though, let their asses get pulled over for trying to race me, lol.
Actually considering the manual if my work commute changes, though. I understand the concept and have applied it in practice, but I didn't want to deal with that in a daily. Great car, even in an automatic, and I hope others see this.
Hopefully I get an auto gt86 for university. For commuting with fun.
There is no reason in my opinion to get an 86 that is auto. Si all day unless the 86 is manual then it’s 86 all day. I can’t justify having an auto 86 my friend had an auto 86 and let me drive it. It was the most boring car I have driven to date. I had more fun driving the new corolla with a manual then I did driving the auto 86. My friend then proceeded to sell his auto 86 and got a fiesta ST and he loves it so much more then the 86.
I had a manual Toyota 86 a couple of years ago and I loved it.
Btw! Civic "Si" has to stand for "Send it", right?
Sport injected
It was obviously a joke. Have you actually seen an episode of The Straight Pipes? Do it! Send it!
@@staffanstuff yeah I know your life is a joke
You dont have to remind me
Uuh, what?... Oh, you're an asshole! *bye*
I'm not sure if it's "sport injection" or "sport induction",and omg how rude Nova is...
On the phone slot, I had gotten my Galaxy S3, the next day my FRS. The phone fit perfectly. The current larger phones no longer fit, so blame the phone companies for that.
DanteEightSix blame the car company for not adapting to the modern phones and not a phone made 10 years ago like yours
Meme Master well said
The Civic Si isn't as disgusting to look at as the Civic Type R so I guess that's a notch on it's belt...
Type r looking amazing men
@@Mertusa yea nah
Mert Ozbahcivanoglu it’s pretty ugly. Looks like a hot wheel some 9 yr old designed
The 10th generation of Civics (and most of Honda's current styling) just looks awful to me. Mugen's body kit for the Civic Type R improves the look.
@@Crlarl I understand that they wanted an "aggressive" look for the Type R, but it looks like something a kid watching old Fast and the Furious movies would think to design. It's a missed opportunity for Honda IMHO as they might have reeled in more customers (older customers) that shied/ran away due to it's mutated looks.
I was hoping for a little drag race 🤷🏽♂️
I was soo happy to see this 86. i've ordered one in the same trim and color but manual. two more weeks till it arrives
I thought I was the only one thinking of this comparison. Thanks guys!
I'm kinda a fan of the gt86/frs/brz just cause they are the sports car we noticed most people use for drifts
@@That1lowaccord that's not true I have a friend with a E85 tune brz making a good 300+ horsepower and gaps sti on daily
Look up the AE86
Forgot to mention that the Si's seat goes up and down, for height adjustment. I have the first 10th gen Si (2017) and I'm 6'3"
@El Duderino Just over 6'3" here and got the 2019 Si Sedan - definitely more head room than the 2014 Si. Your hair will probably touch the roof in the 2019 at 6'5"
Ive got an automatic 86 as a daily and an S2000 as a fun car, it fits perfectly this way imo.
They're lowkey beefin with automatic transmissions😂
Civic Si for me. Great video! As much as I love Si’s I think the 86 is a better looking car.
There is nothing like changing gears by your own way. #SAVETHEMANUALS
This!
Fahim Z hell yeah!!!
#americanproblems
kwame20101 thier problems lol
not us real men
Continue your great job guys this is the best Channel i saw love how you work your stuff make me 🤣 excellent content great camera angles Nice fusion together 👍👍👍👍👍
I've been driving a brz for the last 5 years, and sometimes I feel like it's time to go for some other car, but I just can't find the right replacement for it. It's such a good car, and it's really fun to drive. It would be a waste to spend money on something else because for sure I'd regret it !
I'm not digging that premium gas requirement, but then again I couldn't afford one anyway.
Otherwise, a great sports car!
I almost missed the hdmi cable joke hahaha 😂
Hey YURI... the PROWLER SHOULDA HAD A 5.7L HEMI AND A 6 SPEED! I do love the PROWLER.
Why not a 6.4l?
Theres a dude who made a prowler with a 6.1 hemi.
8.3 v10👀
Owned an automatic 86 for four years, added a Jackson supercharger after 30k. It was a great car, still miss it. The supercharger only added ~60hp, ~50tq, but that's all you really need in such a light car. Own a Stinger GT now because I need more cargo space, and I can honestly say I had the same amount of fun in my 86 that I do in the Stinger. BTW, you need to hold down the traction control button until TRAC OFF appears and stays on. You'll have a much easier time sidewaysing your 86. You really can't hold a drift for long with just the standard traction control off option, stability will kick in ~2-3 seconds into your drift and set you straight. Learned that the hard way on an exit ramp, straightened me right into a guard rail. I shed a manly tear for my baby, won't lie. Might look into getting the Stinger GT-S with AWD/RWD decoupling after it's been out for a year or two, really digging the Stinger. Would be nice if they made a Stinger coupe and kept the liftback, I'd be all over that. AWD is almost always quicker, but you do miss RWD, even with the Stinger's rear-bias, close but no cigar.
I love my Si , Team Honda !
Eh I went from a 5 speed manual to a auto FRS and it’s a ton of fun. Sometimes I get auto, sometimes manual, just depends on what I’m looking at and how it feels. The auto FRS saved me $10k, I got it for so cheap, and it’s a blast I love this car by far my favourite car I’ve ever owned.
My 09 Civic SI was a great little car, with the factory "aero kit" and 6 speed Manual, car had clean simple lines. Not a bunch of plastic up front.
Also not a fan of the taillights, I think the SI gets uglier every year.
Such a fun video to start off Friday! I would absolutely love to see more comparison videos like this! (E63 vs M5? 🤔)
Weirdly enough, the 2019 BRZ has Apple Carplay/Android Auto even on the base car. 🤔
Does it have a better reverse camera?
its a subaru toyota thing. not an 86 brz thing.
@@Stexen yes, it uses the infotainment screen, not the screen in the rear view mirror
Its still slow
@@Stexen As far as I can tell, the 2019 Toyota 86 with the "GT" trim as shown here is exactly the same as the 2017 "860 Special Edition" Toyota 86 EXCEPT the reverse camera pops up on the infotainment screen where it should. They had it right and then decided to mess it all up.
I have the 860 edition and it's great, although I'll probably upgrade the infotainment system at some point since the one Toyota puts in all their vehicles is kind of lackluster.
isn't it always more expensive to get an automatic gearbox??
Not in the dodge hellcat
40,000 miles on my 2017 si and can confirm that it will bust a BRZ’s ass stock for stock
did I see you guys filming in GTIs around Rattlesnake Point Conservation area a few weeks ago? I saw someone with that same camera set up cruising up a cool little corner by the park that could be the NEXT cliche corner!
I’ve owned both cars (brz) and si and by far si is my fav
You should expand a lil more about that. What makes you like it more ?
Michael Vaca I have had both as well. I love my Si more too. More comfort and is a tad bit faster with a beautiful interior set up. My brz does win in exterior though everyone can agree with that
FBI You are supposed to catch the pedos!
Alan Golden I am reviewing which car is faster to chase them 😎😎
Jose M. Leon interior is much better the tech on the si.. I do agree the si is a bit faster but the space is much more practical..
I would take the 86 anyday.. I don't like plastic cars
3:33 Wow that's actually a really hard choice! I think the Civic sounds really good for an I4, and the 86 sounds disappointing for a Boxer 4, but Boxer 4s inherently sound cooler sooooo they come out almost as a coin flip for me.
Not only that the si you can hear the turbo wine and the crackles and pops at low rpms its awesome
My first thought in cliché corner was
COOL VIBRATIONS
This is a really good video. Good job guys.
The Si is quicked and a better all round performer.
Covert Cam yes
Civic Si for actual price, practicality, performance. RWD is only good when really pushing it on dry pavement.
In this case , RWD does nothing for the 86 . It does nothing better than the SI.
i love how he breezed through “theres one button... and then a lot of blank switches” 13:00
10th Gen Civic SI Coupe is a fun, beautiful car. Have had mine for a year now and would buy it again.
I absolutely love the blue on the 86, i wish i had gotten mine a few months later ):
Love your vids. Owning a '17 SI now, and having owned rwd sports cars, surprisingly the SI is one of the most fun cars to drive. The chassis work is so tight. And yes, sport mode does sharpen the handling and steering noticeably. Since the basic chassis is so good, the SI handles really well in normal mode. That is why you didn't feel the difference right away.
One huh? moment watching your review: how did the 86 sound better? Not from the video, where you couldn't even hear it. Not close. Maybe it sounds better live. Not that either car's sound is making Fiat Abarth owners jealous. If they can hear their exhaust over the screaming plunge of their resale values.
The 86/BRZ just seems like someone said 'hey, let's build a 280 ZX again.' Which is fine. I enjoyed that car too. And it had less lag from its six cylinder NA engine than the Toybaru twins.
If a sports car is ever better with an automatic, then you are looking at a design fail. Great athletes are called 'clutch' players for a reason. Mic drop.
Great video guys. I think its fairly evident that the Toyota 86 is meant to be in manual. Not that its bad in automatic, but the manual is better. This comparison is fair, but I think there are some better comparisons. In my opinion, I think an interesting comparison would be the manual Toyota 86 TRD edition vs the Honda Civic SI HFP. Although, we're still comparing apples to oranges with a rwd vs fwd car. I think the Toyota 86 TRD vs the new Mazda Miata would be a good comparison as well. RWD coupe vs RWD coupe. The Toyotas interior seems refreshingly retro to me at this point. Missing some of the gadgets we now expect in 2019 cars, but thats ok with me.
I think I need to move to Canada. I love the fact that there are so few cars on the road. Where I live in south Florida, any time of day or night we have way too many cars on the road. I'll keep the Florida weather though. . .
We close down the roads
I've been driving a 2013 BRZ 6-speed manual since new. Still love it.
Tell us about those overhead drone shots. Pretty fancy flying!