I’ve had my 2023 Si for just shy of two years and highly recommend it to anyone shopping the segment. Its biggest strengths are its inputs, practicality, affordability, and overall packaging. The shifter is positive, the clutch is friendly and as non-fatiguing as could be, the steering is weighted nicely, accurate, and has a nice ratio (with minimal feel, but nothing that disappoints you on a backroad), and the brakes are intuitively calibrated if a little on the squishy side. The fixed suspension is also very wisely tuned from the factory to provide a ride that’s stiff and confidence inspiring without being uncomfortable. The fuel economy is excellent. I drive spiritedly all of the time and average 29mpg. If I drive it like a normal person, low-mid 30s are completely typical, and hypermiling would put it easily in the upper 30s. The 11th Gen Civic packaging is brilliant. Very practical, very user-friendly, and very spacious. The materials are satisfactory for the price. The sound system is satisfactory, if lacking clarity in the highs and more dynamic bass ranges. Its biggest flaws are its poor sound insulation, rev hang, and overall engine output. General NVH and tire roar are bad, even for the economy sedan segment. Aftermarket insulation won’t fix this, but changing out the stock, low rolling-resistance A/S rubber will at least significantly reduce tire roar. As far as power and rev hang, there are two common tuning devices and two common canned flash providers which are popular in the community, all of which “fix” these issues. Your tuners are Hondata and KTuner; Hondata seems to be the go-to for the Type-R crowd and the KT for the Si. I went with the KTuner. The two most popular flashes are from Phearable (the 1.5) and TSP “Stage 1.” I’ve been running a KTuner + TSP combo for 90% of my ownership and HIGHLY recommend it. Can switch between three maps on the fly (#1 stock ~17psi, #2 20psi, #3 25psi) and virtually eliminates rev hang. The power in map 3 is legitimately satisfactory with claims of ~260hp at the crank without any other supporting mods. It’s a great car for anyone wanting a reliable, practical, affordable, daily driver that can put a smile on their face at legal speeds. I’ve owned *fun* fun cars, like a GT350, and this satiates my need to row gears while grabbing groceries while still having Tardis packaging and not needing to fill up every three days.
I got mines tuned with Hondata, I recently noticed Hondata is geared more towards the Type R, it made 225hp and 245 lb-ft to the wheels at 25 psi boost. I know other people make more than that, would I be able to switch to a Ktuner from a Hondata?
@@weirdshibainu it’s the biggest reason why I could see someone wanting a GTI instead, outside of the obvious power difference and styling preferences aside. Ironically, I was looking at Golf Rs but wound up in an Si because it was the only thing on my list I could find for MSRP
Honda - The Si should definitely be offered as a hatch. The original Si was introduced as a hatch in 1986 and remained as a hatch only until 2007 when a sedan version was offered. Hatchbacks offer so much more versatility (and coolness) than a sedan. Keep it as a 4 door hatch though. Please.
I have owned a 1984 Honda CRX, 1986 Civic SI, 1989 Civic SI, and a 1992 Civic SI. They all were Hatchbacks. Bring back the Civic Hatchback SI.....Thank you very much.......
My Gladiator is a manual. My mother, at 81, still daily drives a Taco manual. I grew up driving a Dodge truck, three on the tree, and a Mazda 626 manual.
@@RelearnMathnah bro what a horrible suggestion. Type R is like 15-20k more than the Si in some cases. Si is more economical than Type R. The maintenance on Type R is more expensive, it takes premium fuel so your cost goes up significantly.
Yes to a hatch, bump in power and proper hand brake! Really like the physical climate buttons (thanks Honda!) and Honda’s offer a great ownership experience! Great review guys!
The previous gen 2-door was a coupe with a traditional trunk, not a hatch. A hatch would have been cool, but the rear headroom was already compromised as it was.
@@Mok3sp33d The Civic hatch hybrid would be the one to cannibalize integra sales. 80% of Integra buyers opt for the cvt. So right off the bat they are not in the market for a hatch si(which would obviously be manual). People go for the integra because they want a civic with more luxury.
I bought a 2024 Sport 2.0 hatch with the 6spd manual. If the Si would have come with the 2.0 I would have bought it. Honestly after driving the 2 cars the hatch was the clear winner. Linear power (yes it should have more HP but it’s more than adequate) and more space in the hatch. I can get 40mpg on the highway and 36mpg in the city, if I’m not focused on fuel economy in the city I still get 30mpg. These new civics are incredible
I had a brand new 2024 sport hatch just like yours in Platinum white pearl. Sadly the quality control was not there with the 6 speed manual that was made in India. The synchros were faulty or low quality and the transmission shifted bad like rocks pumping instead of smoothly meshing. I really wanted to keep it but I could not get past 9 months with the horrible driving experience and got rid of it. Maybe I got one from a bad batch since I did hear of some other person with the same experience.
In Southern California, dealers are still marking these up by $5k+ (if you can find one). Integra A-spec 6MT can be found at or below MSRP, and they are readily available. Local market economics are often making the Civic SI more expensive than the nicer Integra.
Ordered one in Urban Grey (the new Si colour). I like the new darker tails. Wish there was a manual hand brake. Maybe a little something extra to make it look different too.
Thanks for the honest review! ... I'm 68 and have a white 25 SI on order .. I picked the SI over the TYPE-R because at my age it;s more mature (less boy-racer) ... I really don't need a zillion HP and the SI is kinda a throwback to the way cars once were . also note my first new Honda purchased was a 76 Honda CVCC Civic 5-Speed way before there ever was the SI ...Honda makes a quality product that isn't "weird" ... there are plenty of faster cars but I'm ok with that ... If I wanted primarily speed I would've opted for the Mustang with 6MT but MPG??? is certainly better with the Honda ... Keith Algonquin IL
Great review!!! Don’t really care if they ever make a hatchback, but the rest of the suggestions you two want are great ones, especially needing more hp to differentiate with the hybrid.
Gotta be on the Natchez Trace. I've been pulled over at 54 (it's a 50). I'm surprised you didn't run across him pulled over eventually. I'm just a few hours down the road. Nice collab!
A hatchback Si is the only thing that would bring me back to Honda. I was a die hard Honda guy back in the day owning swapped Accords, S2000's, etc, before moving on to Toyota trucks, but I still miss having a Honda to rip around in on weekends. I just can't stomach paying $50k for a CTR just to get a hatchback with a stick. They are awesome, but way out of my range for a second vehicle. The si would be the perfect in hatchback form as it is much more practical for loading things like my bikes in the rear.
Same here man. A buddy of mine had an S2K and rolled with a S2K car group here in houston. I myself had a 06 RSX-S and a H23 a swapped 97 teg. That thing was a torque monster lol I miss those old days. I went and test drove a new type S teg a few months ago and loved it but was sick about the pricing after looking at current car trade in (2020 Ct5-V). And I thought well I'll get home and look into the CTR instead and was even more shocked it's prices were more lol
The Si in 2024 has the same horsepower as the RSX Type S in 2002. The Type R in 2024 has the less power than the Integra Type S in 2024. TLDR: Type S evolved, Si hasn't
@@TheBreakfastLover5 horsepower between type r and s barely does anything, but it is true that the si has had 200 hp for too long at least a calm 240/250 would be perfect for the chassis
but then again you can always get a flash tune and have 220 whp which is like the same as 250crank so all you need is the si + $700 and your right at the power they should’ve been from factory
Two years ago I bought the 2023 Mazda3 Premium H/B with the six speed manual and a naturally aspirated motor. Not nearly as much room but much more comfort, luxury and extras like SiriusXM power two position memory driver's seat and mirror adjustments, and a spare compact tire. And more probably. I have averaged 34.5 mpg from day one. 87 Octane fuel as well.
NEED A HATCHBACK Si! I had a 2005 Civic Si hatchback and that was one of my favorite cars I’ve ever owned! Practical, reliable, and fun! The perfect combination!
My parents shared a Second gen Prelude for years. Before that a 74 Chevy van 10 with no power steering and manual 3 speed on the tree. Been a Honda family for years. I daily an 88 CRX, my son drives a 2020 Si sedan.
3:38 If this car is ANYTHING like my 10th gen si, you shouldnt really shift these car from 2nd to 1st anyways. First of all its just sorta unecessary & second you can just feel the car really doesnt want to do it… anything above 5 kmh it kinda locks you out, so im wondering if they’ve somehow now fixed that issue altogether for smother 2-1 downshifts.
Awesome car for what it is, not what some people think it should be especially when they have no intention to buy and will be trading in after 2 yearss
Glad the heated seats are back in the USA. (Here in New England, we need them. ) I would love to see a hatchback SI (but that may take sales away from the Integra manual.)
Loving the reviews guys, but definitely wanted to shout out and give props to the outro screen, feels like it's something to note that the small attention to details go a long way for viewers👍
My ‘22 Si doesn’t have a temperature gauge. Glad they added some of the features back. Great daily driver. The FK8 sits in the garage and comes out for autocross.
GIVE US AN SI HATCH HONDA PLEASE!! I used to have a Civic Sport Touring Hatchback and it was essentially an Si hatch except more upscale. I want it the SI HATCH!!
You guys mentioned a bunch of features that are missing from this car, but keep in mind you were driving the American market car. The Canadian market car will be equipped with SXM, a wireless charging pad, heated steering wheel, heated seats, fog lights and perhaps a few other niceties that the USDM car won't get.
I drove manuals for all my cars since I started driving in 1993 up to 2021 when I got a CRV with a CVT. (Had 3 Fits in a row that were manual). Well after 3.5 years of driving an auto I really miss rowing my own gears. Took one of these for a test drive yesterday and damn.....such a fun car. Yeah when my lease on my CRV is up next summer I'm going to get one of these.
The Si should always be a hatchback. I had an 89 CRX Si, a 2003 EP3 Si....been waiting for a new hatchback Si ever since and will buy it as soon as it comes out.
I have a 2018 Hatchback Sport. The only reason I didn't buy an Si was that they didn't come in a hatchback. The hatchback is waaay too handy. One Christmas, I actually fit both a 65" tv as well as a 50" tv at the same time and they were still in the boxes. The crew at the will call dock were amazed they fit in there so easily. They thought there was no way they would fit. There is a ton of room in there with the back seats down. If Honda builds an Si hatcback. I will buy one.
I really like the Honda Civis Si review, and I appreciate the comment in reference to the lack of the hatchback for the Si model. Being a hatchback/wagon enthusiast is quite difficult these days in the USDM. I own 2 GD chassis hatchback Saabaru's(WRX hatch) and previously owned 4 Volvo V70XC's and XC70's. Presently I'm considering the new Honda Civic Si but I really want a hatchback, the Civic sport model is offered as a hatch but the Si is a little bit nicer. I'm considering the Toyota Corolla XSE hatchback, the Corolla XSE is a great looking hatchback. What do you guys think about the2025 Honda Civic hybrid hatchback?
Honda give us the hatchback SI please. The new body hatchback is so much more practical for daily use. Also no more dual mass flywheel and stronger clutch from factory.
You guys are close to my neck of the woods here in Georgia! Are you driving the Si on The Dragon? One of the BEST roads ANYWHERE! 💯 8:24 6'11/2" CLUB 😎 ...and, make some Lexus shirts Yuri! LOVE your concept!
Great review as alway. I totally agree with all of your suggestions for the next refresh, especially it needing more hp. C’mon Honda get rid of that rev hang!
My '07 i-vtech coupe still runs like a dream. When and IF I actually valet it (and I avoid it simply based on $$$) the valet always returns the car with a smile saying, "Dude. This f'n car is awesome." And that's usually after they've been parking Lambos and Maseratis all night.
Really dig the new facelift. Great review! Sad to see Jack didn’t want to get Uber-ed around by you guys 😂 Also! Come over to western NC for some great roads too!
@Honda really needs to crank up the horsepower and torque on this car. It's been far too long that the MK8 Golf GTI with the last manual transmission for its 2024MY at 243hp, the Jetta GLI with its secondary refresh now still at 228hp and the out going Forte GT with 201hp and 195lb-ft of tq with its manual transmission have been tearing Honda up. Yes, the Civic Si was never about horsepower wars like the S550/S650 gen Mustangs, Alpha platform 5th/6th gen Camaros and the LX platform Challenger and Charger brothers, but in all honesty, the Civic Si really needs to be pushing 230-240hp like the AP1 and AP2 S2000s used to be and give it at least 215-225lb-ft of tq to be the true second most powerful Civic in the lineup over the Civic Hybrid and over its competition now that the MK8.5 Golf GTI is only DCT for the 2025MY (and the 2026MY) as this will be the final gen Golf cars ever built including the MK8.5 Golf R too, the secondary refresh Jetta GLI, and the new Kia K4. Staying stagnant at 200hp and 192lb-ft of tq is not a good look for Honda themselves and the Civic Si community. I get it. You can modify it if you want more power, but why ruin the warranty when it should come heavily performed out of the assembly plant line with the warranty?
For anyone considering the Si, but can wrap their head around why it only has 200hp still: -The LSD is what makes an Si special. You can floor it in 3rd gear on a curvy road and it rips you through that curve no problem. -You can use every ounce of power that engine has on every commute, take it to redline every single day and not have to worry about any issues at all. -If there are actual issues, Honda always comes out with recalls and TSBs to take care of their customers. -Winter tires make it great in light snow, and just upgrading to a gripper all-season or summer tire makes a huge difference. -Gets over 35 mpg with ease (91+ is pricey, but you should never put 87 in it) -Consumable prices and parts are all comparable to the regular models. The Type R consumables are way more expensive performance parts. -Si is so easy to drive and learn manual on. Just get it. Don’t pay over msrp… -The 200 hp and 192 lb-ft of torque is faster than 90% of regular traffic, but slow enough to keep you out of trouble.
But..... I was gonna invade Canada to get those cool features. I had everything planned out for 8 months. Now what? Screw it! I'm coming for your trees! 🌳
Glad y’all are enjoying my home state. You’re right we do have some of the best back roads in the country. Y’all need to check out Tom’s Refurb on here. I think y’all would like him as well.
A big yes to making the Si as a hatchback or as both a sedan and hatchback again. What I don't like about the Integra, besides the leather and faux luxury bits, is the added height to the the rear of the car. Kinda kills the point of having a hatch and removes the Integra from being a Si hatchback replacement for me. That and there is no need to argue that it would cannibalize Type-R sales. If you can afford a CTR and get one from a dealer with out being robbed, you will. If you can't afford that then you can happily buy an Si.
The "eyelid" panels on the underside of the headlights are black for the Si, but they're body-colored for all other models which I hate because black looks so much better. It makes the upper grill look larger and more continuous as it wraps around the headlights. It also makes the giant, gaping lower mouth/grill not look so giant and gaping. I wonder if these panels can be swapped easily.
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I would definitely have to turn off the beep. It would be beeping constantly
Tell Honda, Large Civic Si SEDANS are Lame. That's literally the Accord.
A Reboot of the Small EG or EK TWO door hatch would be 🔥. Also No moonroofs 👎
@@lamesamelame Much better gas mileage in a Civic Si, 4 cyl. for starters.
I’ve had my 2023 Si for just shy of two years and highly recommend it to anyone shopping the segment. Its biggest strengths are its inputs, practicality, affordability, and overall packaging. The shifter is positive, the clutch is friendly and as non-fatiguing as could be, the steering is weighted nicely, accurate, and has a nice ratio (with minimal feel, but nothing that disappoints you on a backroad), and the brakes are intuitively calibrated if a little on the squishy side. The fixed suspension is also very wisely tuned from the factory to provide a ride that’s stiff and confidence inspiring without being uncomfortable.
The fuel economy is excellent. I drive spiritedly all of the time and average 29mpg. If I drive it like a normal person, low-mid 30s are completely typical, and hypermiling would put it easily in the upper 30s.
The 11th Gen Civic packaging is brilliant. Very practical, very user-friendly, and very spacious. The materials are satisfactory for the price. The sound system is satisfactory, if lacking clarity in the highs and more dynamic bass ranges.
Its biggest flaws are its poor sound insulation, rev hang, and overall engine output. General NVH and tire roar are bad, even for the economy sedan segment. Aftermarket insulation won’t fix this, but changing out the stock, low rolling-resistance A/S rubber will at least significantly reduce tire roar.
As far as power and rev hang, there are two common tuning devices and two common canned flash providers which are popular in the community, all of which “fix” these issues. Your tuners are Hondata and KTuner; Hondata seems to be the go-to for the Type-R crowd and the KT for the Si. I went with the KTuner. The two most popular flashes are from Phearable (the 1.5) and TSP “Stage 1.”
I’ve been running a KTuner + TSP combo for 90% of my ownership and HIGHLY recommend it. Can switch between three maps on the fly (#1 stock ~17psi, #2 20psi, #3 25psi) and virtually eliminates rev hang. The power in map 3 is legitimately satisfactory with claims of ~260hp at the crank without any other supporting mods.
It’s a great car for anyone wanting a reliable, practical, affordable, daily driver that can put a smile on their face at legal speeds.
I’ve owned *fun* fun cars, like a GT350, and this satiates my need to row gears while grabbing groceries while still having Tardis packaging and not needing to fill up every three days.
Chatgpt summaries this in points
@@AshikJonathan that’s great for people with TikTok attention spans 🤓
Poor sound insulation is a no go for me
I got mines tuned with Hondata, I recently noticed Hondata is geared more towards the Type R, it made 225hp and 245 lb-ft to the wheels at 25 psi boost.
I know other people make more than that, would I be able to switch to a Ktuner from a Hondata?
@@weirdshibainu it’s the biggest reason why I could see someone wanting a GTI instead, outside of the obvious power difference and styling preferences aside. Ironically, I was looking at Golf Rs but wound up in an Si because it was the only thing on my list I could find for MSRP
2 door Hatchback SI is definitely needed. Would settle for 4 door hatch... as long as it's still manual
Integra exists, for the 4 door compromise.
A Reboot of the EG/ EK TWO door hatch would be 🔥
Honda - The Si should definitely be offered as a hatch. The original Si was introduced as a hatch in 1986 and remained as a hatch only until 2007 when a sedan version was offered. Hatchbacks offer so much more versatility (and coolness) than a sedan. Keep it as a 4 door hatch though. Please.
Well, technically before the refresh you could’ve gotten a hatch with a 1.5 and manual. Not anymore
@@antmarquis87the 10th gen didn’t have an si in a hatchback model. Only coupe and sedan
I had an 05 hatch and it was fantastic!
Had an 83 1500S. Hatch. The SI before the SI. Excellent 1st car in 1994.
@@wcr2015I was talking about the current generation pre facelift. It wasn’t an si but it’s basically the same motor and you can get it manual.
I have owned a 1984 Honda CRX, 1986 Civic SI, 1989 Civic SI, and a 1992 Civic SI. They all were Hatchbacks. Bring back the Civic Hatchback SI.....Thank you very much.......
My wife and I only drive manual cars. Currently bmw 340xi and a r53mini copper. Save the manuals!!!
Can I have an "amen" please?
Save E manuel
My Gladiator is a manual. My mother, at 81, still daily drives a Taco manual. I grew up driving a Dodge truck, three on the tree, and a Mazda 626 manual.
Mini and bmw are know as garbage car! Sad to say but it’s true!..
Bring the Si hatch back.
It is puzzling that it is not already offered
Just get a Type R…
It exist as Integra A spec
Actually, the Type R should be available as a sedan.
@@RelearnMathnah bro what a horrible suggestion. Type R is like 15-20k more than the Si in some cases. Si is more economical than Type R. The maintenance on Type R is more expensive, it takes premium fuel so your cost goes up significantly.
I wish this came with a 2.0L naturally aspirated VTEC instead of a 1.5L turbo
Then the type R would be even dumber to buy
Yes to a hatch, bump in power and proper hand brake! Really like the physical climate buttons (thanks Honda!) and Honda’s offer a great ownership experience! Great review guys!
My Dad just got a job at a Honda dealer and at the first sales meeting they played this video.
Civic Si Hatch would be really nice. Cheers on keeping the manual!
Si 2-door manual. You get the hatch for free, and it looks great!.
The previous gen 2-door was a coupe with a traditional trunk, not a hatch. A hatch would have been cool, but the rear headroom was already compromised as it was.
We need the coupes back
I have a civic si hatchback. Its called the integra aspec with a stick.
It's called overpriced for what you get.
True they are very sharp looking and see them quite often in my area
That doesn’t even have a back windshield wiper lmao
@@robertk1049 You can get Integras under MSRP, vs Si's which always have markups.
Yaaaaa you’re right!!!
Man that front bumper looks soooo good with the refresh.
Perfect amount of aggressive and sporty without being over styled.
FR
Yes on the civic Si hatch. No clue why they moved away from it. I had an 89 and 91 and loved those cars.
They never moved away from it
Because it would cannibalize Integra sales
@@Mok3sp33d The Civic hatch hybrid would be the one to cannibalize integra sales. 80% of Integra buyers opt for the cvt. So right off the bat they are not in the market for a hatch si(which would obviously be manual). People go for the integra because they want a civic with more luxury.
I bought a 2024 Sport 2.0 hatch with the 6spd manual. If the Si would have come with the 2.0 I would have bought it. Honestly after driving the 2 cars the hatch was the clear winner. Linear power (yes it should have more HP but it’s more than adequate) and more space in the hatch. I can get 40mpg on the highway and 36mpg in the city, if I’m not focused on fuel economy in the city I still get 30mpg. These new civics are incredible
I had a brand new 2024 sport hatch just like yours in Platinum white pearl. Sadly the quality control was not there with the 6 speed manual that was made in India. The synchros were faulty or low quality and the transmission shifted bad like rocks pumping instead of smoothly meshing. I really wanted to keep it but I could not get past 9 months with the horrible driving experience and got rid of it. Maybe I got one from a bad batch since I did hear of some other person with the same experience.
In Southern California, dealers are still marking these up by $5k+ (if you can find one). Integra A-spec 6MT can be found at or below MSRP, and they are readily available. Local market economics are often making the Civic SI more expensive than the nicer Integra.
Each video is better than the last. You’re unstoppable!
Ordered one in Urban Grey (the new Si colour). I like the new darker tails. Wish there was a manual hand brake. Maybe a little something extra to make it look different too.
You had me with the manual transmission. Everything else is just icing.
Thanks for the honest review! ... I'm 68 and have a white 25 SI on order .. I picked the SI over the TYPE-R because at my age it;s more mature (less boy-racer) ... I really don't need a zillion HP and the SI is kinda a throwback to the way cars once were . also note my first new Honda purchased was a 76 Honda CVCC Civic 5-Speed way before there ever was the SI ...Honda makes a quality product that isn't "weird" ... there are plenty of faster cars but I'm ok with that ... If I wanted primarily speed I would've opted for the Mustang with 6MT but MPG??? is certainly better with the Honda ... Keith Algonquin IL
As goofy as this sounds ... if you can find and buy a better 2025 performance car for ... not $32K not $35K but $30k (USD) run don't walk to buy it!!!
Great review!!! Don’t really care if they ever make a hatchback, but the rest of the suggestions you two want are great ones, especially needing more hp to differentiate with the hybrid.
I wanted the Si in a hatchback but settled for the 2024 sedan (tbh it's the type r I really want)
Gotta be on the Natchez Trace. I've been pulled over at 54 (it's a 50). I'm surprised you didn't run across him pulled over eventually. I'm just a few hours down the road. Nice collab!
A hatchback Si is the only thing that would bring me back to Honda.
I was a die hard Honda guy back in the day owning swapped Accords, S2000's, etc, before moving on to Toyota trucks, but I still miss having a Honda to rip around in on weekends.
I just can't stomach paying $50k for a CTR just to get a hatchback with a stick. They are awesome, but way out of my range for a second vehicle.
The si would be the perfect in hatchback form as it is much more practical for loading things like my bikes in the rear.
Yeah CTR brand new isa lot. I rather save up more for a (RWD) Caddy CT4 manual. Or try to find something used.
Same here man. A buddy of mine had an S2K and rolled with a S2K car group here in houston. I myself had a 06 RSX-S and a H23 a swapped 97 teg. That thing was a torque monster lol I miss those old days. I went and test drove a new type S teg a few months ago and loved it but was sick about the pricing after looking at current car trade in (2020 Ct5-V). And I thought well I'll get home and look into the CTR instead and was even more shocked it's prices were more lol
Pretty handsome looking car for honda!
200hp in 2024 is wild!!! Might as well get a 02 RSX
The Si in 2024 has the same horsepower as the RSX Type S in 2002. The Type R in 2024 has the less power than the Integra Type S in 2024. TLDR: Type S evolved, Si hasn't
Meanwhile, all this power floating around and traffic is slower in 2024 than 2002.
@@TheBreakfastLover5 horsepower between type r and s barely does anything, but it is true that the si has had 200 hp for too long at least a calm 240/250 would be perfect for the chassis
but then again you can always get a flash tune and have 220 whp which is like the same as 250crank so all you need is the si + $700 and your right at the power they should’ve been from factory
Emissions..... my 05 RSX Type S would likely be too polluting for 2025 standards ...
While manual is good, it is not complete unless you have a manual handbrake.
At least the Nissan gets it and still gives you a manual handbrake in the 2024/2025 Nissan Sentra with the 6MT.
Two years ago I bought the 2023 Mazda3 Premium H/B with the six speed manual and a naturally aspirated motor. Not nearly as much room but much more comfort, luxury and extras like SiriusXM power two position memory driver's seat and mirror adjustments, and a spare compact tire. And more probably. I have averaged 34.5 mpg from day one. 87 Octane fuel as well.
We need a Civic SI hatchback, please Honda!
A new video from Yuri and Jakub is always a mood booster
2025 GLI is available with a manual and more horsepower. Seems like a logical direct competitor. Not sure why you ignored it.
came to say exactly that...
Because GLI is German. I only trust Japanese.
My sister has the civic sport hatchback with the 1.5 turbo and it's a very fun car even with a few less horsepower.
NEED A HATCHBACK Si! I had a 2005 Civic Si hatchback and that was one of my favorite cars I’ve ever owned! Practical, reliable, and fun! The perfect combination!
To see if this had heated seats was the primary reason I watched this. Glad to see Honda is bringing them back in the US
I had the 2024 si and loved it. It’s a charming car but could use more power. Instead of modding it, I changed it up to the type s.
My parents shared a Second gen Prelude for years. Before that a 74 Chevy van 10 with no power steering and manual 3 speed on the tree. Been a Honda family for years. I daily an 88 CRX, my son drives a 2020 Si sedan.
That synchronized visor close was on point at 10:37
3:38 If this car is ANYTHING like my 10th gen si, you shouldnt really shift these car from 2nd to 1st anyways. First of all its just sorta unecessary & second you can just feel the car really doesnt want to do it… anything above 5 kmh it kinda locks you out, so im wondering if they’ve somehow now fixed that issue altogether for smother 2-1 downshifts.
If they make it any easier to get into 1st then say hello to more money shifts.
@@michaelnguyen2975good point… lol.
“..hearing the shift lights…” I couldn’t believe my eyes! Liked.
I was waiting for "The Box Test"!
Greetings from Greece Yuri and Jacob!
when you said “hey google” my google speaker started to listen and tried giving me directions to mexico😂
Awesome car for what it is, not what some people think it should be especially when they have no intention to buy and will be trading in after 2 yearss
Glad the heated seats are back in the USA. (Here in New England, we need them. ) I would love to see a hatchback SI (but that may take sales away from the Integra manual.)
Loving the reviews guys, but definitely wanted to shout out and give props to the outro screen, feels like it's something to note that the small attention to details go a long way for viewers👍
I have a 2020 Civiv Si coupe and love the look. Will keep it until a new hatch Si is made by Honda, if ever.
Yes, Si Hatchback please. With a manual e-brake for winter festivities.
hold until a 2 door or hatch becomes available. great review
My ‘22 Si doesn’t have a temperature gauge. Glad they added some of the features back. Great daily driver. The FK8 sits in the garage and comes out for autocross.
GIVE US AN SI HATCH HONDA PLEASE!! I used to have a Civic Sport Touring Hatchback and it was essentially an Si hatch except more upscale. I want it the SI HATCH!!
You guys mentioned a bunch of features that are missing from this car, but keep in mind you were driving the American market car. The Canadian market car will be equipped with SXM, a wireless charging pad, heated steering wheel, heated seats, fog lights and perhaps a few other niceties that the USDM car won't get.
Of course we want an Si hatch!
Civic si coupe is what I want to see again
i just love this car so much 🥰a car maker that listen to their customers instead of telling me what is fun or not and what i need to like or not 😍
Current FE1 Civic Si driver. 10/10 would buy a civic si hatchback
Yes please SI hatchback and take my money now.
Yes! Si Hatch PLEASE!!!
The USA updates are welcomed! Glad Honda decided to make one car for all markets.
I drove manuals for all my cars since I started driving in 1993 up to 2021 when I got a CRV with a CVT. (Had 3 Fits in a row that were manual). Well after 3.5 years of driving an auto I really miss rowing my own gears. Took one of these for a test drive yesterday and damn.....such a fun car. Yeah when my lease on my CRV is up next summer I'm going to get one of these.
I daily an m2 comp and after test driving one of these I’m really tempted to get one as my new daily… it is SO good
I did the same but have a C5 Z06 & this. I was considering a GTi, Elantra N, f30 335i (N55), and the Toyobaru twins. Did glance at the Gli.
Yes, Civic Si hatch!
Civic Si hatchback would be the best value manual car for sure!!!!!!
10:16 I can afford the oil changes on the manual GTI. Still love the boxy hatchback utility of GTI and Civic Sport.
GTI is dead easy to just change it yourself. Especially if you get a mityvac you wouldn't even need to lift it.
HATCHBACK! What I’d love is a two door hatch. That would be the best.
Damn, they got rid of the blue color. I always liked that.
The Si should always be a hatchback. I had an 89 CRX Si, a 2003 EP3 Si....been waiting for a new hatchback Si ever since and will buy it as soon as it comes out.
I’m actually sad they don’t make the 2.0 na hatch a manual. Just the si and the type r:(
I have a 2018 Hatchback Sport. The only reason I didn't buy an Si was that they didn't come in a hatchback. The hatchback is waaay too handy. One Christmas, I actually fit both a 65" tv as well as a 50" tv at the same time and they were still in the boxes. The crew at the will call dock were amazed they fit in there so easily. They thought there was no way they would fit. There is a ton of room in there with the back seats down. If Honda builds an Si hatcback. I will buy one.
I really like the Honda Civis Si review, and I appreciate the comment in reference to the lack of the hatchback for the Si model. Being a hatchback/wagon enthusiast is quite difficult these days in the USDM. I own 2 GD chassis hatchback Saabaru's(WRX hatch) and previously owned 4 Volvo V70XC's and XC70's. Presently I'm considering the new Honda Civic Si but I really want a hatchback, the Civic sport model is offered as a hatch but the Si is a little bit nicer. I'm considering the Toyota Corolla XSE hatchback, the Corolla XSE is a great looking hatchback. What do you guys think about the2025 Honda Civic hybrid hatchback?
i literally never comment on videos… but a 4 door civic si hatch is something i WILL buy if it happens
2:25 Nardo Concrete is my favourite colour.
I want a civic Si hatchback
the base Integra is the quasi Si hatch.
Si in hatch mode...I would buy
Honda give us the hatchback
SI please. The new body hatchback is so much more practical for daily use. Also no more dual mass flywheel and stronger clutch from factory.
You guys are close to my neck of the woods here in Georgia! Are you driving the Si on The Dragon? One of the BEST roads ANYWHERE! 💯 8:24
6'11/2" CLUB 😎
...and, make some Lexus shirts Yuri! LOVE your concept!
This is Honda Civic day! About 10-20 car videos review about this car
Great review as alway. I totally agree with all of your suggestions for the next refresh, especially it needing more hp. C’mon Honda get rid of that rev hang!
My '07 i-vtech coupe still runs like a dream. When and IF I actually valet it (and I avoid it simply based on $$$) the valet always returns the car with a smile saying, "Dude. This f'n car is awesome."
And that's usually after they've been parking Lambos and Maseratis all night.
You guys forgot it now comes with new black side skirts. Before it was all paint matched.
I love this car but just like you said, I would love a hatchback! Would be so awesome to have the fun SI with the practicality !❤🙏🏼
bring the Si HATCH back!
It looks like you were driving on my home road here where I get all of my best therapy in my Acura Integra Type S, the Natchez Trace Parkway!
Really dig the new facelift. Great review! Sad to see Jack didn’t want to get Uber-ed around by you guys 😂 Also! Come over to western NC for some great roads too!
Si hatchback should be a no-brainer.
@Honda really needs to crank up the horsepower and torque on this car.
It's been far too long that the MK8 Golf GTI with the last manual transmission for its 2024MY at 243hp, the Jetta GLI with its secondary refresh now still at 228hp and the out going Forte GT with 201hp and 195lb-ft of tq with its manual transmission have been tearing Honda up.
Yes, the Civic Si was never about horsepower wars like the S550/S650 gen Mustangs, Alpha platform 5th/6th gen Camaros and the LX platform Challenger and Charger brothers, but in all honesty, the Civic Si really needs to be pushing 230-240hp like the AP1 and AP2 S2000s used to be and give it at least 215-225lb-ft of tq to be the true second most powerful Civic in the lineup over the Civic Hybrid and over its competition now that the MK8.5 Golf GTI is only DCT for the 2025MY (and the 2026MY) as this will be the final gen Golf cars ever built including the MK8.5 Golf R too, the secondary refresh Jetta GLI, and the new Kia K4.
Staying stagnant at 200hp and 192lb-ft of tq is not a good look for Honda themselves and the Civic Si community. I get it. You can modify it if you want more power, but why ruin the warranty when it should come heavily performed out of the assembly plant line with the warranty?
HATCHBACK YES!!!!
Im a full time uber driver and i use a 2023 honda civic si:)!!!!
Canada early flex, love you guys 😂
Hatchback with 4 doors and a handbrake but no turbo please. Thanks for keeping the manual alive!!
Not a hatch fan. Like the four doors. Heated seats help in the Midwest snow belt. Good review. Thanks.
For anyone considering the Si, but can wrap their head around why it only has 200hp still:
-The LSD is what makes an Si special. You can floor it in 3rd gear on a curvy road and it rips you through that curve no problem.
-You can use every ounce of power that engine has on every commute, take it to redline every single day and not have to worry about any issues at all.
-If there are actual issues, Honda always comes out with recalls and TSBs to take care of their customers.
-Winter tires make it great in light snow, and just upgrading to a gripper all-season or summer tire makes a huge difference.
-Gets over 35 mpg with ease (91+ is pricey, but you should never put 87 in it)
-Consumable prices and parts are all comparable to the regular models. The Type R consumables are way more expensive performance parts.
-Si is so easy to drive and learn manual on. Just get it. Don’t pay over msrp…
-The 200 hp and 192 lb-ft of torque is faster than 90% of regular traffic, but slow enough to keep you out of trouble.
Did Honda not put heated seats in the early 11gen si? I have a 2018 si with heated seats
Correct, they did not!
Honda made the early 11th gen Si worse. I also have a 10th gen and the 11th is still down on features to it.
But..... I was gonna invade Canada to get those cool features. I had everything planned out for 8 months. Now what? Screw it! I'm coming for your trees! 🌳
Glad y’all are enjoying my home state. You’re right we do have some of the best back roads in the country. Y’all need to check out Tom’s Refurb on here. I think y’all would like him as well.
Bro, you activated my google. You almost sent me on a trip to Mexico, lol 😂
A big yes to making the Si as a hatchback or as both a sedan and hatchback again. What I don't like about the Integra, besides the leather and faux luxury bits, is the added height to the the rear of the car. Kinda kills the point of having a hatch and removes the Integra from being a Si hatchback replacement for me.
That and there is no need to argue that it would cannibalize Type-R sales. If you can afford a CTR and get one from a dealer with out being robbed, you will. If you can't afford that then you can happily buy an Si.
The "eyelid" panels on the underside of the headlights are black for the Si, but they're body-colored for all other models which I hate because black looks so much better. It makes the upper grill look larger and more continuous as it wraps around the headlights. It also makes the giant, gaping lower mouth/grill not look so giant and gaping. I wonder if these panels can be swapped easily.
love your work ❤❤❤
If you want to buy one in Seattle dealers have a $10K market adjustment for the black color, $2.5K to $5K for the other colors.