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As a BRZ owner, which is the Subaru badged version of the same car lol. I agree with the statement "It looks faster than it is." Everyone always wants to race. But I love how it drives and honestly don't want a turbo, doesn't need one.
@@OhRecklessMike the problem is the torque dip. No one says the Miata is slow even though it has the same HP and trq figures as the BRZ. However the new BRZ has more hp and torque than the Miata so it's definitely going to go as fast as it looks now.
Had a 2013 GT86 since March, 6speed manual, really fun to drive. The handling and grip is insane, sure my friends VW Golf R is faster in a straight line, no way he can keep up in the bends. I love that Toyota are continuing to develop this model even though they are not selling in huge amounts. Only 7k sold in 8yrs in UK. They have the rarity value. Keep your BMWs and Mercs folks
From what I read, Toyota wanted to make a small, affordable RWD sports car something like the old 86s', especially with their rise in popularity. Asked Subaru to help .. then abandoned the project. Subaru finished the car themselves, then Toyota wanted it back. The result was both companies now sell their own version of it.
@@joshsuelto Highly unlikely at this point in time. They better hurry or else everything will be electrified one way or the other. When full electrification takes place, I don’t think manual transmission will still exist.
@@monkeseeaction21987 no, he just go joy riding almost every night. And on his day off, he would travel to nearby states and come back immediately after. He just love the thing handled and he enjoys driving a manual every much.
@@DennisNedryisStillAlive I drive 200 miles for my favorite restaurant in my favorite car in the weekend. I believe 500 miles per day is achievable, but I don't consider it enjoyable.
Subarus hg issue was bad on NON turbo model's around from '96-'98 in 1999 they changed the design and materials from a composite to multi layer steel design. It was a big issue on the 2.5L legacy and base impreza. But all the turbo models had upgraded gaskets even during those era's so it's a very undeserved reputation that's turned more into auto lore than fact, turbo models even had a whole different head design so the cheap pos gaskets wouldn't have even fit on them. The only gasket on my daily driven 10yr old STI was a slightly damp valve cover gasket which was like $300 to replace.. Has been a good car to me but they can be a little finicky so taking one to jiffy lube for maintenance is pure stupidity lol, like any turbo or sports car smart owners ditch the Stealership do their now research and find a private reputable mechanic which specializes in your make. Any shop with corporate funding is there to make money off you private honest shop's only stay in business by providing good service.. Plus I don't care what anyone say's any turbo or super charged car should get religious 3k mile oil changes and premium oil with a higher temp rating to keep it's viscosity under high turbo temps. Factory in 5-30 we use 5-40 Motul that plus an upgraded oil pick-up I never have oil consumption issues, that's where the research comes in lotta info out there to see what common issues and when your car will have them.
But that awesome awd subi has saved our lives in a horrible rock slide incident on a windy cliff road where the whole damn road was covered in flowing dirt marble like rocks and huge boulders the size of a damn engine around a blind corner you couldn't even see the black top anymore was scary as hell lol, but that traction control went crazy 3 lights on the dash flashing and you could feel each tire gain traction moving power between then so fast it was literally jerking tbe vehicle from wheel to wheel but kept me straight AND was able to dodge those boulders like a damn video game 😂, if it wasn't a few hundred foot drop with no shoulder it would've almost been fun 😂. That roll cage rated frame saved our lives a second time when we got rear-ended at the red light by a college girl texting who hit us at freeway speeds on cruise control absolutely totaling her dads car.. Poor dad lol. But we were safe enough to be cleared by chp n drive away with a slight rattle from the munched bumper no frame damage at all and only $1k in repairs plus an alignment lol. I may me a Camaro and truck guy but I'll always own at least 1 Subaru they are fantastic cars as long as you keep up on your maintenance and research which parts tend to go out and just replace them BEFORE they give you issues.
If you think it looks faster than it is, put on some better and wider rubber and go around turns. Everyone wants it to be a stoplight drag racer, and it’s not. On the twisty stuff it’s a budget Cayman.
I have a 2004 Celica, theyre nippy. But quick in real world. Youre not going to set any record lap times but what I like is on my way home there's not many cars that can keep up on the country lanes. And frankly that's where it counts. Nurburgring times are meaningless if yours only communting to and from work and want a little fun
I think the fact that it has a small engine is a good thing. Because if it had a big powerful engine, that would affect the handling and price negatively.
Love my 2019 Toyota 86 and love my 2002 manual Lexus is300 even more. Oh and the differential in the 86 might be Toyota as it's the exact same housing as the 2002 is300 differential housing and it swaps right into the is300 also.
Scotty, I'm 31 years old, I recently started a course in Automotive Mechanics and I study on my own too (your videos teach a lot), I've already spent a lot of money on tools and I have an 89' Monza that I paid for the price of a popcorn just to disassemble and re-assemble without fear. I feel that I'm progressing but at the same time, because I don't have previous knowledge, I sometimes feel discouraged... After all the money invested, I can't go back. Some advice? I have a wife and child and they support me a lot, but because I have a family, I sometimes feel much greater pressure to learn... Can you (or anybody) say some uplifting words of wisdom?
"It looks a lot faster than it is" - lol. I had a college professor at my Flight School University, who when he was 16, had a 4 cyl mustang. It too looked "faster than it was" - as he couldn't address the actual speed of the thing, he decided he could, momentarily, make it seem like it had the power it lacked. He went to the U-pull it, grabbed an extra windshield washer reservoir, bought some tubing, wired it all up and ran those tubes to the back wheels, where it would spray "bleach", allowing him to easily create excessive wheel spin off the line and hell of a lot of white smoke :) Made for a good show for about 4 seconds, before the guy he was racing off the line at the traffic light blew him away, ha ha.
@@lophilip Be careful! IT was a different world 40 years ago... what you could get away with then, may not be 'legal' now, or may prove to attract more attention than you desire, from law enforcement.
I own one of these and I have turbo charged it. The good thing about these being slow is, everyone expects to smoke me at the lights and then their soul leaves the cabin of their cars in my rear view mirror 😂.
I just made a down payment on a manual 2017 86. I hope the engine is reliable, because I want this car to last a very long time. Also I know it’s not the fastest car on the road, but it is so much fun to drive; and I think it has a really cool design.
LOVE the channel.. been following since 2019 and i LOVE how your only out to help the average working consumer.. thats why i respect the hell outta you man.. keep up the good work :)
@@Jason.cbr1000rr Why spend the money modifying a slow car? Just buy a faster car to begin with. For the $25-30K you'll spend on an 86, you could get plenty of fast cars... My 2017 Camaro 2SS cost me only $34K, and once prices come back down to earth, you can find plenty of fast cars for cheap
@@Clone895 i agree man/woman/other or transmission! I dont own it thank goodness. I drove my dumb friend who bought it. Im inclined with cars very well to not get that imo. Where i am, only kids who dont know cars get it cos they think its cool and follow eachother 😑😄 i actually bought something worth my money and for ppwer and drivability. 👍
I love my brz drove it stock for a few months, did a complete exhaust setup and tune on e85, it was a blast for a year. Now I'm running 12psi on 91 and it's by far my favorite configuration. The aftermarket is what makes these cars so great.
@@rodneyalacan9473 É uma mistura de combustível que tem 85%ethanol e o resto em gasolina. 12psi on 91 refere-se à pressão da bomba de combustível e outro tipo de combustível 91 octane. Um carro a e85 tem uma banda maior para melhoramento mas 91 octane é mais fácil de encontrar, provavelmente o motivo porque reverteu para um combustível mais "fraco".
2017 Toyota 86 owner here(silver as well). I'm only @ 30k miles but I've had no problems and loads of fun in this car. My back up camera comes up on the infotainment center no the rearview mirror.
That three cylinder Geo Metro had 88 horsepower. I remember driving one on the freeway at 65mph and the car shaking. Had fun keeping the car straight when big rigs drove by.
Yeah but it will be slow like everything else they make unless you want to mod it. Would it kill them to actually make a monster that can compete instead of being the reliable company not taking risk in the below 400hp range. Even the lfa was under powered and barely bought because of it which could had been the decider to everyone buying it, god knows it’s one of the nicest sounding cars made.
@@joshreynolds729 Yeh, they are still really fun to drive tho, even if nort fast fast, they are still nippy and nimble, especially the mk3, but that one was the least powerful out of all 4 main types sofar.
Love my brz had it for 4 years now and had it stock for about a year. I don’t get why people say its slow if they got in one these cars it would put a smile on them . Drove it stock for a year and never disappointed me very fun car stock and quick . Now i have it turbocharged 350 Whp and man its fast . The car actually runs like what it looks . So for those who have an 86/frs/brz go the boost route. The car is amazing with more power .
When accelerating in a straight line it is really slow and boring when stock but the feeling of accelerating out of a corner at full throttle is amazing. I have the lowest horsepower car in my car group and as long as there are corners I can keep up with even the 500hp cars.
Just bought a 2017 86 three months ago and i love it for the most part. The windshield is like an eggshell unfortunately. I traded in my 2011 scion tc in which I miss being able to throw stuff into that car and it'll fit. Both cars are very maintenance friendly though (which is why I chose am 86) and its easy to work on stuff. I still miss my Tc though and plan on getting another one in the future.
Only the engine is Subaru and is built in the Fuji Heavy Industries, the parent company of Subaru, plant in Gunma Prefecture. Everything else including the design of the FRS and GT86/86 and fuel system is Toyota or third party. It has a Torsen rear limited-slip differential.
That looks it has dual zone air control, a feature that is missing on the Corolla. That looks the Toyota infotainment system used in Toyota's that doesn't have Android Auto
Yes, Android Auto (or the apple equivalent... i-whatever) wasn't offered until I think 2020. It does have dual-zone air. The GT trim editions had that and the scrollable digital display screens on the right side of the instrument cluster.
@@MikeInMurray the problem is Toyota isn't updating the system (called Entunes 2.0) in their older models leaving customers stuck without an outdated infotainments system. Only the new models with version 3.0 get updated
@@davinp Oh, I know. I've priced head units on Crutchfield that include Android Auto and navigation and they're ridiculous. Decided to stick with my phone attached to the center/left vent for map purposes. That alone would almost tempt me to get a 2020 model... considering the way used car prices are going, I might be able to fit into a 2022 with just a little more... hah!
Im buying a new car in a few months. Im totally clueless about what i want. Single. No kids. Im torn between a nice reliable sedan or maybe something fun to drive. Im loving this channel more and more. This car looks fun without sacrificing too much. A manual is a must for me.
Yeah, I'm not really sure why he said that. As to the front scoop, on my 2018, I still cringe every time I pull up to a curb. I'd almost prefer a front scoop camera over a backup cam...
i got a 2018 86 with the 6 speed manual. fricken love it! It's not fast at all, but is an amazing daily and handles better than any other cars on the track with me! I have a friend who pumped 600hp to the wheel in his 2015 frs and it is a 5.0 killer! I love my 06 tundra and my 2018 86!
YES FINALLY scotty made a video on the 86, I’ve been waiting for a long time for this video! Glad it was just in time before I start looking for one for a first car, THANK YOU SCOTTY !!
I daily drive an FR-S, excellent sports car, only reason i’d want to replace it is for more power. It’s EXTREMELY fun in the curves, if you live in a curvy area.
My 1999 Impreza gc8 has 245,000 miles. And it hasn’t had a single problem unlike my brother’s 2001 Honda Civic needing a new head gasket and valve cover gasket.
The manual is made by Aisin/Toyota as well, the car is a blank canvas in stock form. It will definitely go a lot faster than it's stock 150 mph top speed with the right modifications.
Good Tuesday afternoon to you Scotty, I hope this day finds you and your family well. I guess buying a used car it's the same as buying produce at the grocery store you got to be sure you pick🤔 the right one😁🧰🙌👍🍺
Hey, Scotty! I just wanted to say THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge with us! I've been watching your videos since I've bought my first car. And if I'm going to do something with my car, my first step always is to check what you say about this or that. You are the GREAT one! Cheers from Russia and from Toyota Corsa!
I know I will get flack here on Scotty's channel, but I bought my GTI because it does have a smooth fairly quiet ride, and it is sporty too at 228 HP, and great handling.
Honestly though. I own one of these and I've never had more fun on the street than in this car. And even on the track. It's not super fast but the fun-factor is high the list even from more powerful cars I've driven! Love the boxer
It would be great if we could go to a handful of "skateboard platforms," if that's the right term for it. A small platform for an economy car, a mid-size for mid-size, and a large platform for SUVs and trucks. Pick whatever body style you want, and set it on a universal platform drivetrain.
You can have fun with the paddle shifters until the transmission don't work & if warranty is finished... get out a GOOD Credit Card... if it's under warranty ...prepare for NO coverages due to "abuse " -- let the blood pressure begin!
Great honest review Scotty couldn’t have said it better myself! I love my 2017 Toyota 86 and it’s Silver too! 👌 Your right too, they look faster then they really are and I get street race challenges at the stop lights all the time. 😂
Preaching to the choir here, but this is one of the best cars I've ever driven, especially after a few light mods. So long as you're not looking for huge power, you can't find anything better feeling than this until you start looking at Porches or something.
@@applepoop10 The lightweight rearwheel drive layout is a distant memory since then. The BMWs also became heavy luxury exotics since then. So the only way to get something like the AE86 is to be a good welder and car mechanic, and make a cheap generic frontwheel drive into rearwheel drive yourself. Either that, or pay the "Takumi" tax to buy an actual AE86.
I remember when the BRZ/FRS/GT86 barely came out. I was shocked that such a “fast looking” car lost to my friends 2006 civic SI which was basically stock.
@@iheartgs400 that and the civic loses less power to the wheels with front wheel drive. Pair that with a car that weighs in at 2600 pounds. Its lighter than a wrx by a lot and lighter than the GT86/BRZ just by a few hairs.
Owning an 86 or BRZ is a really special club. It’s an inexpensive tuner car. Thousands of mods and different variations. In Japan they even sold in the RC spec which comes with unpainted bumpers, steel wheels, no stereo system given that most tuners replace those parts
Scotty you forgot to mention that toyota developed the direct injection system for the boxer engine the 86 has. This car was a true collaboration project.
Yes, even the engine was co-developed. This is truly a collaboration. Though it is a Toyota project, and the BRZ is technically the rebadge, Subaru did contribute a lot as well!
Scotty, it is not a C45 engine. That logo on the intake manifold says D-4S. Look a little closer. It stands for Dynamic Force Superior. That’s what Toyota calls their direct inject plus port inject engines.
@@Austinomon I have not seen any for around that price. 10k maybe, but with over 120k miles on it. If you want one with like 60k miles you're going to be spending minimum 15k.
Hi Scotty, The GT86 also has Toyota heads with Toyota’s D-4S dual injection system, port and direct injection, that is 2 injectors for each cylinder. It’s pretty cool! 🤘🏻
Yeah sure Bud. Fuji Heavy Industries, parent company of Subaru has no industrial press brakes to stamp their own steel head gaskets. Subaru failures are primarily the owner neglected heater hoses that pinhole and cause the failure. I can speak on that since I owned a 1970 FF1 Star and failed to replace the $3 bucks worth of 5/8 hose on my 78,000 mile engine. But that was back in 1981. I miss that japan built, mini cooper knockoff. 1100cc of fun.
Bought it 2nd owner, off a guy from New Zealand that imported it to the USA. $450. Only complaint was in 20 degree F the car had to idle for six or seven minutes because the gear shift was so tight into 1st. So I just let the input shaft spin up and warm up the 90wt in neutral. Weird. But it gave me time to sweep the rest of the snow off. Never got stuck.
Have a 2013 FR-S and drove from Victoria to Calgary and back. I only filling up 3/4 past halfway. Super good on fuel. Might not be fast on the straight, but hell as fun going through the mountians.
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200 hp in a car that light will get you around town just fine.
I saw you bowling with your son Sunday I just wasn’t sure it was you!
...Reminds me of my 240SX. When I sold it 16yrs later, every drifter/teenager kept asking me if I wanted to sell it.
Honda engines don’t run like crap tho…
“I want to buy a car”
Scotty: Here’s 10 reasons why you shouldn’t!
Just walk.
Run!
Pretty much lol
Fundamentally a car purchase is always a bad idea, we just live in a country that is always telling you to buy, buy, buy!
Just buy Toyota 1980's models and just replace it's body with new Toyota models body, it's same as new generation Toyota car
The Dodge Ram in the background is spying on Scotty to see if he will bash Dodge again.
If i would see a Chrysler pull up behind me, i would run away as far as i can.
Nah, probably waiting on another newly rebuilt junker tranmission to be installed.
@@bikerrider4845 Won't he usually give Chrysler products build before Fiat a pass
No extended cab or 4 door cab. very simple.
@@lukespack Just your average pickup truck
I still believe if a car had a Honda engine and a Toyota transmission it would be the best car ever made, and would never break down.
Idk man I broke the trans in my tacoma at 68kmiles
Even whistlin diesel wouldn't find a way to destroy it, atleast until he brings out his forklift
Honda engines aren’t as good now. Hyundai is the new Honda.
@@andrewmeehan6151 hell no🤣🤣😂
@@andrewmeehan6151 also definitely not with all their genesis coupes grenading the mottors
94 Celica: **sweats nervously**
Also
Me: *sweats nervously*
Sean B 😂😂😂
WAAAHAAAHAAA
As soon as Scotty figures out he fits in the 86 trunk, the celica is done 🤣
🤣🤣🤣
Scotty could power a small city with all the arm flailing.
Arm turbines 😄
Omg this got me so good couldn't stop laughing
😂
This comment should be pinned. 😅
As a BRZ owner, which is the Subaru badged version of the same car lol. I agree with the statement "It looks faster than it is." Everyone always wants to race.
But I love how it drives and honestly don't want a turbo, doesn't need one.
It’s the car you can floor it on the interstate and not going to jail. 🤣🤣🤣
@@nicolathonathan770 It really is LOL
@@OhRecklessMike the problem is the torque dip. No one says the Miata is slow even though it has the same HP and trq figures as the BRZ.
However the new BRZ has more hp and torque than the Miata so it's definitely going to go as fast as it looks now.
You don’t own it. Your parents and/or bank owns it
Had an FRS, it was a blast to drive. Fast enough for me
“You can’t see the front end on the Scion FR-S” literally the exact same body shape aside from the bumper design.
Yeah, I own one and have no idea what he’s talking about. Solid car though, blessed by Scotty.
Yeah as far as I knew it was basically just different badges and small interior details.
Prob slightly different hood shape on the 86 that's about it
Weird stuff hahaha
Yeah I really confused with this driven all 3 versions never had that problem ever in any of them
Toyota to Scotty "We are not selling enough 86"
Scotty "hold my beer"
Never heard of Toyota, bought a Corolla because of Scotty, not disappointed so far :)
@@androidgameplays4every13 I'm quite surprised you never heard of them. The Corolla is the number one selling car in the world.
@@blx7860 true. I grew up with toyotas and i'm very old!!!!!😃😃
You mean "hold my wrench"
1000...lol should've kept the TC
Had a 2013 GT86 since March, 6speed manual, really fun to drive. The handling and grip is insane, sure my friends VW Golf R is faster in a straight line, no way he can keep up in the bends. I love that Toyota are continuing to develop this model even though they are not selling in huge amounts. Only 7k sold in 8yrs in UK. They have the rarity value. Keep your BMWs and Mercs folks
From what I read, Toyota wanted to make a small, affordable RWD sports car something like the old 86s', especially with their rise in popularity. Asked Subaru to help .. then abandoned the project. Subaru finished the car themselves, then Toyota wanted it back. The result was both companies now sell their own version of it.
Can you do a video on the RTV issue with the new GR86 and possible fixes?
2nd this
Fredo ur a car guy
Toyota: Scotty says we should bring back the Celica.
Subaru: We can do that for you.
But will they, I want the Scion Tc to come back
What about the MR2?
@@aeronYTco they could use the same transmission and engine on celica and mr2
@@joshsuelto Highly unlikely at this point in time. They better hurry or else everything will be electrified one way or the other. When full electrification takes place, I don’t think manual transmission will still exist.
@@aeronYTco hybrid can exist and there's a manual hybrid like crz
My roommate got a 2020 86 with manual trans. He loves to drive it so much, he drove 15k miles in a month. 3 oil change in a month.
Wow did he just decide to drive across the country 2 times or something
@@monkeseeaction21987 no, he just go joy riding almost every night. And on his day off, he would travel to nearby states and come back immediately after. He just love the thing handled and he enjoys driving a manual every much.
He must’ve been driving cross country or something to drive 15k a month!
@@yanghu3592 That’s like a tank of gas every night and then some
@@DennisNedryisStillAlive I drive 200 miles for my favorite restaurant in my favorite car in the weekend. I believe 500 miles per day is achievable, but I don't consider it enjoyable.
everyone that rides in my 2014 Camaro SS talks about how smooth the ride is and i must say it is really good. you should try it
In stock form with good tires, it's a pretty smooth ride...
Nah
My 86 from 2014; 85k miles on it and still running amazing 💕 I love driving manual
I just bought one of these. It’s a Scion FR-S with a stick. I’m loving it so far
ayye welcome to the team!
Take me for a ride in it ??
How much dit it set you back Suzanne?
Same picked mine up in December. Love love love it. 16 frs Oceanic blue
you''ll love it forever.
Finally Scotty acknowledges the head gasket fix..
Bout time lol
How many years did that take...?
Not sure if I believe that though
The volkwagen boxer engines seemed to have the same problem
Subarus hg issue was bad on NON turbo model's around from '96-'98 in 1999 they changed the design and materials from a composite to multi layer steel design. It was a big issue on the 2.5L legacy and base impreza. But all the turbo models had upgraded gaskets even during those era's so it's a very undeserved reputation that's turned more into auto lore than fact, turbo models even had a whole different head design so the cheap pos gaskets wouldn't have even fit on them. The only gasket on my daily driven 10yr old STI was a slightly damp valve cover gasket which was like $300 to replace.. Has been a good car to me but they can be a little finicky so taking one to jiffy lube for maintenance is pure stupidity lol, like any turbo or sports car smart owners ditch the Stealership do their now research and find a private reputable mechanic which specializes in your make. Any shop with corporate funding is there to make money off you private honest shop's only stay in business by providing good service.. Plus I don't care what anyone say's any turbo or super charged car should get religious 3k mile oil changes and premium oil with a higher temp rating to keep it's viscosity under high turbo temps. Factory in 5-30 we use 5-40 Motul that plus an upgraded oil pick-up I never have oil consumption issues, that's where the research comes in lotta info out there to see what common issues and when your car will have them.
But that awesome awd subi has saved our lives in a horrible rock slide incident on a windy cliff road where the whole damn road was covered in flowing dirt marble like rocks and huge boulders the size of a damn engine around a blind corner you couldn't even see the black top anymore was scary as hell lol, but that traction control went crazy 3 lights on the dash flashing and you could feel each tire gain traction moving power between then so fast it was literally jerking tbe vehicle from wheel to wheel but kept me straight AND was able to dodge those boulders like a damn video game 😂, if it wasn't a few hundred foot drop with no shoulder it would've almost been fun 😂. That roll cage rated frame saved our lives a second time when we got rear-ended at the red light by a college girl texting who hit us at freeway speeds on cruise control absolutely totaling her dads car.. Poor dad lol. But we were safe enough to be cleared by chp n drive away with a slight rattle from the munched bumper no frame damage at all and only $1k in repairs plus an alignment lol. I may me a Camaro and truck guy but I'll always own at least 1 Subaru they are fantastic cars as long as you keep up on your maintenance and research which parts tend to go out and just replace them BEFORE they give you issues.
@@Jordan-ql6tm Sounds like a hell of a moment lol
If you think it looks faster than it is, put on some better and wider rubber and go around turns. Everyone wants it to be a stoplight drag racer, and it’s not. On the twisty stuff it’s a budget Cayman.
It also has a Toyota D4-S fuel injection system.
Good to know!
What ever happened to that guy and his Tundra that had the frame issue??
I had a 2002 Toyota celica gts - so when Scotty said it looks fast but it’s not fast haha it hit home
Eh they are faster than an civic si stock
Lower rev limit year. Rip
I have a 2004 Celica, theyre nippy.
But quick in real world. Youre not going to set any record lap times but what I like is on my way home there's not many cars that can keep up on the country lanes. And frankly that's where it counts.
Nurburgring times are meaningless if yours only communting to and from work and want a little fun
Manual is more fun.
@@captinbeyond not to gen z. they want looks. they dont care about the rest. me personally. i switched to manual this past week.
If people knew how awesome this car is, many more would be sold. Need more marketing.
Less marketing... it's a secret 🙊
I really liked this review and agreed with most of his points, I've owned mine for about a month and I've loved it.
My guy!
Hell yeah dude
Glad I got my 2017 Camry SE in January right before the prices went haywire, paid $15800 for it and now it's worth over $20k 😂
when he said, “it doesn’t have a turbo, you know what that means?” i said you could put one on it
Unfortunately Still isn’t fast
@@Tayd0g we all know it isn’t fast, but it’s fast enough to go pick up the speed and catch up. It’s not made for speed. They are still fun to drive.
@@toyotabrony I didnt say it wasn’t
@@toyotabrony boringest car and slowest car. I cannot believe how slow it is when i drove it the powercurve is just.. 1 straight flat line.... 😰
@@Tayd0g I make 300 to the wheels and put bus lengths on 5.0 Mustangs and scat pack challengers, not bad for a 4 cylinder daily my man
Love the 86. One of the best looking modern sports cars, tiny engine which sucks but great handling.
I think the fact that it has a small engine is a good thing. Because if it had a big powerful engine, that would affect the handling and price negatively.
@@aos32 well just could be better if it was fast lol
@@jamesbarrick3403 true I guess
i got same image as you ...cool
my toyota 86 has 75k on the odo, the only issue i've ever had is the windshield fluid running out
Love my 2019 Toyota 86 and love my 2002 manual Lexus is300 even more. Oh and the differential in the 86 might be Toyota as it's the exact same housing as the 2002 is300 differential housing and it swaps right into the is300 also.
Love my BMW E90 with the N52 engine. The last of the ultimate driving machine
@@duncanidaho7494 bmw? 😳🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You’re sitting on a pile of gold with that manual IS300 lol. Its harder to find than a MK4 Supra haha
Never sell that is300 standard. They're either impossible to find or people want too much for them.
Scotty, I'm 31 years old, I recently started a course in Automotive Mechanics and I study on my own too (your videos teach a lot), I've already spent a lot of money on tools and I have an 89' Monza that I paid for the price of a popcorn just to disassemble and re-assemble without fear.
I feel that I'm progressing but at the same time, because I don't have previous knowledge, I sometimes feel discouraged... After all the money invested, I can't go back. Some advice? I have a wife and child and they support me a lot, but because I have a family, I sometimes feel much greater pressure to learn... Can you (or anybody) say some uplifting words of wisdom?
I have a 16 brz, and i was amazed at how good the fuel economy was on it. Very happy with it
I love the Toyota 86 for what it is and how it drives, especially in manual transmission. ❤️
"It looks a lot faster than it is" - lol. I had a college professor at my Flight School University, who when he was 16, had a 4 cyl mustang. It too looked "faster than it was" - as he couldn't address the actual speed of the thing, he decided he could, momentarily, make it seem like it had the power it lacked. He went to the U-pull it, grabbed an extra windshield washer reservoir, bought some tubing, wired it all up and ran those tubes to the back wheels, where it would spray "bleach", allowing him to easily create excessive wheel spin off the line and hell of a lot of white smoke :) Made for a good show for about 4 seconds, before the guy he was racing off the line at the traffic light blew him away, ha ha.
Ha!
Genius. I'm so going to do this.
@@lophilip Be careful! IT was a different world 40 years ago... what you could get away with then, may not be 'legal' now, or may prove to attract more attention than you desire, from law enforcement.
I own one of these and I have turbo charged it. The good thing about these being slow is, everyone expects to smoke me at the lights and then their soul leaves the cabin of their cars in my rear view mirror 😂.
SWEET!
How many miles on it?
😂
@@rahundsigma about 50K
Have turbo'd mine can confirm 😮💨😂
The back up camera display on the rearview mirror is the same as my 2012 Tacoma.
I just made a down payment on a manual 2017 86. I hope the engine is reliable, because I want this car to last a very long time. Also I know it’s not the fastest car on the road, but it is so much fun to drive; and I think it has a really cool design.
2013 owner here currently at 85,000 miles. Just do your regular maintenance, dont redline it everyday and you'll be fine.
@@RobiticDuck 133k here redlined everytime
2016 owner 130k miles no issues besides my clutch at 60k miles but I do maintenance way before it’s due
LOVE the channel.. been following since 2019 and i LOVE how your only out to help the average working consumer.. thats why i respect the hell outta you man.. keep up the good work :)
"I want a car that looks really nice but it doesn't have to be fast" *sees Toyota 86* "shut up and take my money"
Unless you turbo it like I did.
I like the Subaru logo better I'd get the Subaru
@@vytalas4685 how much gains did you get?? Is it faster? I drove it as it is and its literally the slowest sports car in mankind lol
@@Jason.cbr1000rr Why spend the money modifying a slow car? Just buy a faster car to begin with. For the $25-30K you'll spend on an 86, you could get plenty of fast cars... My 2017 Camaro 2SS cost me only $34K, and once prices come back down to earth, you can find plenty of fast cars for cheap
@@Clone895 i agree man/woman/other or transmission!
I dont own it thank goodness. I drove my dumb friend who bought it. Im inclined with cars very well to not get that imo. Where i am, only kids who dont know cars get it cos they think its cool and follow eachother 😑😄 i actually bought something worth my money and for ppwer and drivability. 👍
I love my brz drove it stock for a few months, did a complete exhaust setup and tune on e85, it was a blast for a year. Now I'm running 12psi on 91 and it's by far my favorite configuration. The aftermarket is what makes these cars so great.
@@TonyCrispruby way better than a civic if you ask me
Que significa e85?
@@rodneyalacan9473 es un grado de gasolina hecho de maiz, que contiene un nivel de ethanol Mas alto.
@@rodneyalacan9473 É uma mistura de combustível que tem 85%ethanol e o resto em gasolina. 12psi on 91 refere-se à pressão da bomba de combustível e outro tipo de combustível 91 octane. Um carro a e85 tem uma banda maior para melhoramento mas 91 octane é mais fácil de encontrar, provavelmente o motivo porque reverteu para um combustível mais "fraco".
@@oSoultaker gracias 🙏
2017 Toyota 86 owner here(silver as well). I'm only @ 30k miles but I've had no problems and loads of fun in this car. My back up camera comes up on the infotainment center no the rearview mirror.
My neighbor just bought a Toyota 86, he said it was a supercar compared to his 3 cly Geo Metro!
That three cylinder Geo Metro had 88 horsepower. I remember driving one on the freeway at 65mph and the car shaking. Had fun keeping the car straight when big rigs drove by.
So, what you're telling me is. Toyota ordered 80% lowers from Subaru & completed them.
I got the manual, 2018. I love mine.
Im ordering one also from 2018 gt86 , can you tell me If its true that the car slip very easy in the curves? what tyres ur using? r17 michelin sport4?
I have a 2013 FRS manual with 140,000 miles. I had to replace the clutch twice but thats all. Still runs great!!
Toyota needs to "86" Subaru and bring back the 94' Celica.
I see what you did there 🥸
I'm waiting for the new yamaha MR2 to be announced. :)
86 Celica Supra
Yeah but it will be slow like everything else they make unless you want to mod it. Would it kill them to actually make a monster that can compete instead of being the reliable company not taking risk in the below 400hp range. Even the lfa was under powered and barely bought because of it which could had been the decider to everyone buying it, god knows it’s one of the nicest sounding cars made.
@@joshreynolds729 Yeh, they are still really fun to drive tho, even if nort fast fast, they are still nippy and nimble, especially the mk3, but that one was the least powerful out of all 4 main types sofar.
Regardless of who manufactures the 86, both Toyota and Subaru had a major part in designing the car and the general concept was mostly Toyota-driven.
I have a Toyota 86 too! I love it!
Love my brz had it for 4 years now and had it stock for about a year. I don’t get why people say its slow if they got in one these cars it would put a smile on them . Drove it stock for a year and never disappointed me very fun car stock and quick . Now i have it turbocharged 350 Whp and man its fast . The car actually runs like what it looks . So for those who have an 86/frs/brz go the boost route. The car is amazing with more power .
I’m very late. But did you upgrade internals? If not has the engine lasted?
When accelerating in a straight line it is really slow and boring when stock but the feeling of accelerating out of a corner at full throttle is amazing. I have the lowest horsepower car in my car group and as long as there are corners I can keep up with even the 500hp cars.
Just bought a 2017 86 three months ago and i love it for the most part. The windshield is like an eggshell unfortunately. I traded in my 2011 scion tc in which I miss being able to throw stuff into that car and it'll fit. Both cars are very maintenance friendly though (which is why I chose am 86) and its easy to work on stuff. I still miss my Tc though and plan on getting another one in the future.
Only the engine is Subaru and is built in the Fuji Heavy Industries, the parent company of Subaru, plant in Gunma Prefecture. Everything else including the design of the FRS and GT86/86 and fuel system is Toyota or third party. It has a Torsen rear limited-slip differential.
That looks it has dual zone air control, a feature that is missing on the Corolla. That looks the Toyota infotainment system used in Toyota's that doesn't have Android Auto
Own a 2017 86 here in the UK, does have dual climate control. No Android auto on the Toyota touch 2 go system.
Yes, Android Auto (or the apple equivalent... i-whatever) wasn't offered until I think 2020. It does have dual-zone air. The GT trim editions had that and the scrollable digital display screens on the right side of the instrument cluster.
@@MikeInMurray the problem is Toyota isn't updating the system (called Entunes 2.0) in their older models leaving customers stuck without an outdated infotainments system. Only the new models with version 3.0 get updated
@@davinp Oh, I know. I've priced head units on Crutchfield that include Android Auto and navigation and they're ridiculous. Decided to stick with my phone attached to the center/left vent for map purposes. That alone would almost tempt me to get a 2020 model... considering the way used car prices are going, I might be able to fit into a 2022 with just a little more... hah!
Corolla XSE hatchback does have dual zone automatic climate control.
There are so many things wrong with what he is saying I am not sure where to start.
Woohoo! Scotty finally talking about my car the FRS/BRZ
Yea I own a frs, fun cars for ehat they are. As well as reliable.
Perfect poser cars haha the opposite of a sleeper
They're very good cars. Haven't had any issues
@@kevinblack7125 sadly yes they are all looks
Like Scotty said “it looks a lot faster than it is” I still love my frs though
Im buying a new car in a few months. Im totally clueless about what i want. Single. No kids. Im torn between a nice reliable sedan or maybe something fun to drive. Im loving this channel more and more.
This car looks fun without sacrificing too much. A manual is a must for me.
I have an frs and never once complained I couldn't see the front. Scotty's customers were smoking crack
The bump in each of the front fenders is there so you can see it! I can see mine.
Yeah, I'm not really sure why he said that. As to the front scoop, on my 2018, I still cringe every time I pull up to a curb. I'd almost prefer a front scoop camera over a backup cam...
@@MikeInMurray so you're not parking in reverse is what you're saying?
i got a 2018 86 with the 6 speed manual. fricken love it! It's not fast at all, but is an amazing daily and handles better than any other cars on the track with me! I have a friend who pumped 600hp to the wheel in his 2015 frs and it is a 5.0 killer! I love my 06 tundra and my 2018 86!
YES FINALLY scotty made a video on the 86, I’ve been waiting for a long time for this video! Glad it was just in time before I start looking for one for a first car, THANK YOU SCOTTY !!
I'm so glad I bought mine a couple of years back. Base model (manual). I'm never selling it. It's mine for life.
They have also stopped making bulletproof vans. They have sold out out to the French PSA group.
I daily drive an FR-S, excellent sports car, only reason i’d want to replace it is for more power. It’s EXTREMELY fun in the curves, if you live in a curvy area.
The 2000 Honda prelude was the perfect two seater 5 speed 200hp
Wish I could go back to the year 2000 and slap myself in the head and say to my 2000 self: “buy that Prelude!!!”
Eh should’ve been rear wheel drive
@@buhketz only the S2000
Or the 05 s2000 I recall sitting in them new as a kid
@@krassimirpetrov7131 Too expensive then & especially now
My 1999 Impreza gc8 has 245,000 miles. And it hasn’t had a single problem unlike my brother’s 2001 Honda Civic needing a new head gasket and valve cover gasket.
The manual is made by Aisin/Toyota as well, the car is a blank canvas in stock form. It will definitely go a lot faster than it's stock 150 mph top speed with the right modifications.
0-150mph 2 hours
I have the 2024 BRZ (same as GR86 mainly). I absolutely love this car.
Good Tuesday afternoon to you Scotty, I hope this day finds you and your family well. I guess buying a used car it's the same as buying produce at the grocery store you got to be sure you pick🤔 the right one😁🧰🙌👍🍺
i recently switched to manual. having a good time.
I stick to bike if I want to go fast as for my daily I love ac and all the nice amenities
The car ive always wanted to get in my life, yet never have had the chance to lease one. I love this lil coupe. Drove it hope to have it one day
Hey, Scotty!
I just wanted to say THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge with us!
I've been watching your videos since I've bought my first car.
And if I'm going to do something with my car, my first step always is to check what you say about this or that.
You are the GREAT one!
Cheers from Russia and from Toyota Corsa!
I know I will get flack here on Scotty's channel, but I bought my GTI because it does have a smooth fairly quiet ride, and it is sporty too at 228 HP, and great handling.
I’ve got a 2010 Jetta 138k love it
Does your gti have oil consumption problems like some audis🧐
Honestly though. I own one of these and I've never had more fun on the street than in this car. And even on the track. It's not super fast but the fun-factor is high the list even from more powerful cars I've driven! Love the boxer
It would be great if we could go to a handful of "skateboard platforms," if that's the right term for it. A small platform for an economy car, a mid-size for mid-size, and a large platform for SUVs and trucks. Pick whatever body style you want, and set it on a universal platform drivetrain.
Love my 2013 FRS, they're super fun to drive. 3:34 I added a turbocharger to mine
I love mine too❤
You can have fun with the paddle shifters until the transmission don't work & if warranty is finished... get out a GOOD Credit Card... if it's under warranty ...prepare for NO coverages due to "abuse " -- let the blood pressure begin!
Great honest review Scotty couldn’t have said it better myself! I love my 2017 Toyota 86 and it’s Silver too! 👌
Your right too, they look faster then they really are and I get street race challenges at the stop lights all the time. 😂
I love my 86 glad to know Scotty kilmer approves
Preaching to the choir here, but this is one of the best cars I've ever driven, especially after a few light mods. So long as you're not looking for huge power, you can't find anything better feeling than this until you start looking at Porches or something.
but the porsche price tag tho
Yeah they’re like Porches except actually reliable and aren’t money pits
I have a 2014 Scion FR-S (auto) and I must say that the car is fantastic!
Scotty should find an original old Toyota Corolla AE86 GTS to review. I bet hes really gonna like that one.
The only correct wheel drive Corolla, before Toyota switched over to FWD.....
@@applepoop10 The lightweight rearwheel drive layout is a distant memory since then. The BMWs also became heavy luxury exotics since then. So the only way to get something like the AE86 is to be a good welder and car mechanic, and make a cheap generic frontwheel drive into rearwheel drive yourself. Either that, or pay the "Takumi" tax to buy an actual AE86.
I REALLY want one of these. Older ones are like $13,000 to $15,000 and man that seems like a steal.
Cheapest ones are 20k now. Great car market
Hi Scotty,
Have you thought about spending few months a year in the Pacific Northwest?
@1:52 "a boxer with two on one side, and two on the other side" - and virtually no HP between them...
Really want one of these, glad it has your approval.
I remember when the BRZ/FRS/GT86 barely came out. I was shocked that such a “fast looking” car lost to my friends 2006 civic SI which was basically stock.
The K20Z3 inline 4 absolutely destroys the FA20
And the si civic probably has an engine with less displacement than the sube.....
The K20 was probably in bad shape.
@@fil1329 it’s same 2.0L but the K20Z3 has way smoother power curve than the FA20 all the way to redline
@@iheartgs400 that and the civic loses less power to the wheels with front wheel drive. Pair that with a car that weighs in at 2600 pounds. Its lighter than a wrx by a lot and lighter than the GT86/BRZ just by a few hairs.
Owning an 86 or BRZ is a really special club. It’s an inexpensive tuner car. Thousands of mods and different variations. In Japan they even sold in the RC spec which comes with unpainted bumpers, steel wheels, no stereo system given that most tuners replace those parts
Toyota hasn’t made a sports car in many years. The ones they sell now are made by Subaru and BMW.
I have this exact car in "Neptune Blue" and it is so fun to drive! I may be sticking with 86s for life.
old schoolers are used to it. remember when they stopped making celicas and supras back in the day.
I had the manual. Loved that car
Scotty you forgot to mention that toyota developed the direct injection system for the boxer engine the 86 has. This car was a true collaboration project.
Yes, even the engine was co-developed. This is truly a collaboration. Though it is a Toyota project, and the BRZ is technically the rebadge, Subaru did contribute a lot as well!
Scotty, it is not a C45 engine. That logo on the intake manifold says D-4S. Look a little closer. It stands for Dynamic Force Superior. That’s what Toyota calls their direct inject plus port inject engines.
I’ve been wanting an 86 or BRZ with a manual transmission. I’m going to wait until prices get reasonable.
That’s the only way I would want this car, manual only
Prices are reasonable, you can get an frs or brz from 2013-15 for around 8-10k not bad at all
@@Austinomon I have not seen any for around that price. 10k maybe, but with over 120k miles on it. If you want one with like 60k miles you're going to be spending minimum 15k.
@@RejectedGalaxy gotta look in the small dealers that don't post online they exist
Have the same year but in Manual. Most fun car I've ever had.
03 outback with 296xxx and still going.........
Hi Scotty,
The GT86 also has Toyota heads with Toyota’s D-4S dual injection system, port and direct injection, that is 2 injectors for each cylinder.
It’s pretty cool! 🤘🏻
The Subaru head gaskets that were known to blow were made by.....wait for it.....GM! Once they changed that, not so many issues
WHAT?!
Yeah sure Bud. Fuji Heavy Industries, parent company of Subaru has no industrial press brakes to stamp their own steel head gaskets. Subaru failures are primarily the owner neglected heater hoses that pinhole and cause the failure. I can speak on that since I owned a 1970 FF1 Star and failed to replace the $3 bucks worth of 5/8 hose on my 78,000 mile engine. But that was back in
1981. I miss that japan built, mini cooper knockoff. 1100cc of fun.
What year did they stop
Bought it 2nd owner, off a guy from New Zealand that imported it to the USA. $450.
Only complaint was in 20 degree F the car had to idle for six or seven minutes because the gear shift was so tight into 1st. So I just let the input shaft spin up and warm up the 90wt in neutral. Weird. But it gave me time to sweep the rest of the snow off.
Never got stuck.
I'm not %100 sure. 2006-2008 maybe ? The turbo models didn't suffer the HG issue as often either
I've had a 2002 wrx since 2007
Ive got a 2015 86 and I love it. Never selling.
95% of the cars on the road where i live don't have 205 horsepower, so i consider it being a fast car that looks fast 😂 (i'm from Europe)
I'm in ireland and insurance and tax prices are so ridiculous that 200bhp makes me one of the fastest cars on the road too 😂
Have a 2013 FR-S and drove from Victoria to Calgary and back. I only filling up 3/4 past halfway. Super good on fuel. Might not be fast on the straight, but hell as fun going through the mountians.