The FK8 is like a good vintage wine, it has gotten better and "more recognition" with age. At first many were too focused on the polarizing aesthetics of the Type R, but then it began to slowly capture the hearts and minds of many. This FK8 is reminiscent of the game changing impact the NA1 NSX had (to only a degree of course, as the original NSX was groundbreaking in so many ways). It's been 5 years since the FK8 came into the market and it has not been dethroned yet as the best overall hot hatch.
Its only those clowns who focus too much on aesthetics that find the Type R too flashy. Nothing wrong in being flashy when you can dominate everything in an above your price range.
You could argue a good case for the Hyundai. But only on a preference/budget basis. I think the Hyundai is pretty underrated because of the badge. Similar to how you see so few Type R FK8's on the road. It's a shame, but at the same time it's evidence that people don't have taste in good driving. Instead we have a crap-ton of SUV's roaming about which aren't even as practical as these hot hatches
Love how you're showing more of your emotion/excitement in these new videos, helps the reviews especially for our sake. Keep going at it Dan love your progression, since the good old Evo days👍
Dan Prosser is the best in the business for these types of comparisons in my opinion. Real nails the subtle distinctions between the two. Keep it up Dan!
I'd question that comment.... I recently went for a test drive in a 2018 Audi S1 3DR, Stunning Hot Hatch looks, and so high quality and luxurious in the cabin, almost as quick as the ugly plasticky GR Yaris, and cheaper to buy too now!! And a new 2021 VW Golf R, would bury the Civic Type R, and pretty much everything else in its price catagory!!
Mac Sixtyfive yup the true Goku is the Golf-R m.th-cam.com/video/AmUwG9_UCms/w-d-xo.html# tho the right driver (me😬) in the clubsport would deliver the crappy honda and Yaris a proper spanking 💁🏻♂️
My léon cupra 5 f has the same engine, same power, bigger brakes, Adaptative dumpers, 19' rims and Michelin ps4s form standard, and the possibility to have it manual (what I have) All of it for nearly 10 grand less.
I also have a racing blue Type R, after just seeing it in the metal I wanted it. After I drove the demonstrator, it was just ok you got me, no bartering just show me where to sign !
I drove the fk2 and loved that after owning lots of ep3 and Fn2 and can only imagine how the fk8 has progressed over the fk2 amazing engines I remember years ago selling my ep3 for a golf gti and within 2 months I was back to a type r so says it all
Honda by a mile for me. Recently bought the LE version of the Type R. Paid over sticker but still very happy with it. Unique car for sure. Best FWD For sale in the US.
It should come at least with the "option" of a 6-speed manual. For the Type R there there is no option. You only get the 6-speed manual and Honda has sold tens of thousands of them and NOBODY complains. I think the real reason there is no 6-speed manual in the Golf GTI Club Sport s because VW knows it will be compared to the best in the business as seen in the Type R and that is a battle VW is unwilling to fight. Sad because even Hyundai has a great 6-speed manual in the Veloster N.
@@StandingUpForBetter the lack of a manual option is pure cost cutting as they have to put every available option for the DSG through WLTP testing again individually for a manual
@@billx4266 Things don't get better on their own, you have to fix them. The fact that VW is unwilling to improve the manual they make or even partner with someone who makes good manuals shows how much they care about the enthusiasts. With almost all supercars including the ones in their other family of cars going flappy paddle, this hot hatch segment would have been the perfect place to keep the manual alive. Oh well. That is why I gave my money to Honda.
I'd take the GTI Club Sport for a daily over the Type R. If it was going to be my second car, id take the Type R...or the new BRZ when it comes out because its RWD.
The Type R is one of those cars I want to drive, but don't want to own. It just has this childish look to it, even the Veloster N looks more mature. That GTI Clubsport though looks amazing in my opinion, especially in that color.
@@OrionTripp I'm dead serious. They are both "odd" in their own way, but I'd rather have a Veloster N in the driveway that whatever that Type R is supposed to look like. To be fair, I think the Civic just looks bad in general this generation, so that's definitely not helping it. And no, I don't just buy cars for looks. I own a 7.5 R because it checks just about every boxes AND it doesn't try to look like a rocket.
Really thorough review, excellent! The biggest issue with Civic Type R is it’s looks, which must’ve had a severe effect on sales. For all of the people who can’t live with that, there’s now the Golf 8 Clubsport. It’s brilliant that manufacturers are still developing this type of car, let’s enjoy them while we can, this could be the last generation of ICE hot hatches..
@@diegobacchi false claim, the Type R did it in 7.48 and the CS in 7.54 - so not 10, just 6 seconds. And on other tracks performed the CS slightly better than the Type R. The CS looks also to me much better and has a far better interior.
@@diegobacchi dont know this time and if you look at the list you will notice that this time was a manufacture claim and not an official. Watch also for several battles between them on other tracks and you will find wins for the CS.
Great vid, as ever Dan. 👍🏻 Those VW touch-sensitive interior controls are a turn off with Zero practicality...why do these manufacturers keep sticking an fugly tablet on the dash? Also, VW been fitting those too-small DSG paddles for 15 years across their brands...
Dan, you Steve Sutcliffe and Chris Harris are the very best road testers, if you are real petrol heads. I HAVE A 2021 CIVIC TYPE R and agree with every comment. Let’s just be happy that the Golf and Yaris etc also existing as we will all be driving milk floats soon ❗️😜
@iamspyvspy that’s unfair dude a lot of TH-camrs are doing a great job, and they have the balls to try it, remember Chris Harris lived of TH-cam for a time and he supports a lot TH-camrs now..
Brilliant as always from Dan. The lack of individual mode in the Civic actually makes the Golf the better car to own in IMO. As Dan alluded to, the Civic either leaves you bouncing around annoyingly on B roads in Sport mode, or stuck with a dulled off throttle response in order to get decent pliancy from the suspension. The Golf's obvious ability, coupled with its configurability, may just give it the edge as something to live with everyday for 3 years..... albeit the lack of manual is a potential deal breaker
great review because at least u compared two similar cars unlike carwow who unfairly compared front wheel drive hot hatch with all wheel drive hot hatch
And now they uploaded a video about the type r asking if it's the best hot hatch, hahahaha. I guess they want to fix their mistake. I even commented on their video "why you compare an awd car with dsg transmission to a fwd with manual? If you want to be fair, compare the NSX to the golf r, both awd with dsg" 😂😂😂
If you put the practical aspects by the side, the only that can match the civic is the megane 3 rs cup 275. Having a léon cupra 5f that is in fact this golf underneath, I miss my megane every time I find a good stretch of road
Nice video photography. Great overhead shots . Pity the Golf 8 will be losing these compare tests . Inherent design flaws can’t be hidden . Viva Type R
I wonder how popular the Honda Civic Type R Sport-Line model will be with the redesigned spoiler. Great driver’s car and a smooth daily. 👍 Curious to see how the Volkswagon Golf stands up against a Hyundai i30N or Veloster N.
Touch points and steering matter sooo much more than crappy interior and dodgy styling. I'd love a Civic Type R- (200hp for wimps like me). Great review (and just found your podcasts an all!)
I own an older generation Civic Type R and wanted to stay with Honda but have ordered the GR Yaris. The new Civic Type R, although brilliant, is just too big for my needs. I wish Honda would bring out a hot successor to the CRZ or even S2000, I would be sold. Great video! 👍🏻
I have a 2019 Honda Civic Type R and LOVE it! Is it our family car. It is a family car that has made car enthusiasts out of the whole family :) I have returned to the Honda family. My first Honda was a 1986 Honda CRX. I would not object to a Honda CRX Type R. Imagine a modern, 2 door Honda CRX with the Civic Type R engine and that 6-speed manual...WOW!
Yeah it's definitely big. With the fenders it's considerably wider than my neighbours older Land Rover. It's pratical, but it's also a pain parking especially in narrow streets because you will always stick out further into the road than those in front and behind you. How about a Honda Jazz Type R? Let's go!
@@samcourt6228 No, neither are great, but the Civic is particularly challenging. I imagine they lost a fair few potential customers signing that off. The Golf just looks like every other "evolution not revolution" design, where it's just a podgier but slightly edgier revamp of the last one.
@@cornedenecker1636 You can watch people race cars in a straight line on so many channels, why must they do it as well? This is actually very reminiscent of Chris Harris on Cars, which is perfect. And if you want to be my Miss Piggy that's neither here nor there.
@@cornedenecker1636 Ooft. You got me there, buddy. I mean it's almost as if this public comment on a public comment section on a social media website is indeed asking for opinions, because otherwise you wouldn't put it here, but clearly I'm mistaken. And I prefer the canter rather than the trot in terms of a horse's gait.
When I saw VW were releasing the Clubsport fairly soon after the MK8’s launch I had a feeling that they had rushed it just to get some bigger numbers on the top trumps card and it turns out that they have. I lived with a 3 door Edition 40 manual for a week or so and it was fabulous, it felt like VW had spent some proper time on it as you explained on your review of it all them years ago at Evo. The MK8 doesn’t look like it has that same ethos at all, the slightest of chassis changes, a remap and a fancy sticker, a bit of a wasted opportunity. Yet again though Dan a mega video 👍🏼
The new Clubsport would kill the Edition 40. It may have lost to the Civic on subjective items but short of the Clubsport S the bigger picture is that this is the best driving Golf so far (I have driven both and I've got a CS Ed40 on the drive as I type).
It’s such a shame the Honda is a bit marmite with its looks! The reviews on this car have been amazing, a true drivers car. As for the VW clubsport, I’m inclined to agree that it does look like VW rushed this model. It might be the most capable GTI to date if you exclude the Clubsport S but that doesn’t make it the best Golf GTI. The anniversary editions just felt a little bit more special and the Edition 40 was the best and closest to the Clubsport S in my opinion. Ps you can have a lot of fun in the Mk5 GTI for a fraction of the money.
Reminds me of what ford done with the mustang name with the mustang mach e. Just rely on the name to boost sales, nothing more than a marketing strategy
@@volkswizard I think that’s a given considering it’s got more power and a dsg box but outright pace isn’t the be all and end all. The edition 40’s manual was a lovely gearbox and considering this car is still based on the the 7.5 I can’t see that the suspension changes to this one would leave much on the table on a twisty road if the two were to meet. The edition 40 would still appeal more special to most, 3 doors, manual box, alcantara wheel 👌🏼 it felt special and it looked it and I don’t think this one does.
Yeah the Type R may be the better drivers car in specific scenarios when you're using it in a certain way. But in the real world you want a car that's good to look at, comfortable and will respond when you need the power. The GTI is just the better everyday car in my opinion.
APR stage 1 high torque, GTI 2019, killed the civic on top end and start, but once that Type R went into corners, no chance to catch up. Type R is a true track sport vehicle, GTI is more like a daily with some track features. This is coming from a GTI owner. I wish I could couple a DSG on the Type R and see how the engine puts the power down to the wheels.
Exact same results i had with a friend back when i had just the stg 1 flash. The gti would need many more suspension mods and much stickier tires (front lcas, rear sway, and a 200 tw tire) to even think about chasing down a stock type r through some corners.
@@silentvalue I agree man, that's why clubsport changed some major suspension components, compared to GTI, even then, the club sport came short when it was one on one with type R!
@@arunmfive Yes, it is. I drove the Golf 7 for years and almost never used the knobs but in 99% of the time the controls on the steering wheel. Your hand is usually there anyway so it's just a really quick movement with your thumb. I drive a Golf 8 Diesel now (waiting for my Clubsport) and I almost never use the actual display or the sliders beneath. I either use the controls on the steering wheel or voice controls. It's actually pretty easy to use once you get away from that manual knob stuff you're just so used to. It's a very clean, modern and good looking cockpit that can easily be controlled once you get a hold of it, especially with voice control added.
I enjoyed your review. Thanks! No manual, way more expensive, not as nice to drive (so you say), seats not as good, numb steering, but with all the faults, I would take the Golf Club Sport over the Type R every time. I just can't get past that hideous look of the type R. Too bad they don't offer it in a proper hatchback like to old Civic VTEC hatchback. That I would take. I know it's personal taste, but I am a grownup and driving what looks like a child's cartoon drawing is not for me.
honest review,unfortunately Volkswagen puts words like Sport R etc etc but gets lost on redefining the interior too much and does not think about what sportiness really is,just think that a Golf R does not run as fast as a Civic Type R at the Nurburgring 😅
For us Americans who have a slow gti and golf r, can you explain to me why you’d want to pay the same price as a golf r for a gti with the same power and no awd🤷🏻♂️
we get better options here in Ireland for some reason the same as Germany so with estoril's and black styling pack it looks a level above the TCR and that's coming from a TCR owner
As an FK8 owner, I do not agree that it's engine sounds good. Certainly more lively than that GTI, but still not good. And the exhaust is way too quiet and plain sounding.
I don't twist that the type R the best one here is. But sportcontact 6's with 245 wide tires for the type R and bridgestone potenza S001's for the Clubsport with 235 are not competition of each other. Put a set Michelin Cup 2 or at least 4S on the Clubsport wheels, and you get a whole different story (for sure with the same size of tires). I love the type R, realy in the sportline trim. But give me a kings red metallic Clubsport. Best looking hot hatch for sure.
Waiting on the new i30N. Had a FK2 and it was ridiculously fast. An N sounds more usable more of the time on paper, but an R Sportline in gray feels toned down enough to be doable.
Another good video Dan. No sold on the Mk8 Golf at all. It’s ugly outside an the interior leaves a lot to be desired especially with the very obvious cost cutting which doesn’t cu it with the asking price. The Mk 7.5 was always going to be a tough act to follow. I respect the Honda, but have zero desire to own one.
Dan is one of the most credible UK journalists and said in this video that the Golf interior has "a really good cabin" and "looks gorgeous" Having driven a number of Mk8s and owning 2 7.5s, 7.5 cabin is looking dated now, I mean I have to plug my phone in to charge it.
@@volkswizard I’d far rather have to plug my phone in to charge it and have actually buttons / knobs for stuff like the HVAC. The cost cutting is obvious too which is something that you’ve pointed out in your own videos. VW are probably relieved that the new 1 series is so hideous; the cabin in that is fantastic an the 128ti by all account is very very good to drive.
When it comes to a hot golf they are all a bit boring so you might as well get the normal GTI and if you getting the normal GTI you would be far better off saving your money and getting the Skoda Octavia VRS. There is only one reason to buy the VW and that is badge snobby.
The Clubsport costs less than 5k more than the normal GTI and you get a much better performance, steering and sound. If you are interested in a hot hatch Golf you should always go for the Clubsport and not the normal GTI. The normal GTI is usually sold to old people who don't know any better. Skoda Octavia RS is a whole different car class and offers quite less than the Clubsport in terms of performance, steering and quality and materials. People buying a Skoda Octavia RS are usually a whole different group of people that those interested in a hot hatch like the Clubsport. You buy a Skoda Octavia RS because you have to carry your family or other stuff around and because you want to combine a practical car with some good performance. That's not the case with a normal (non Variant) Gold and especially not a Clubsport or R. Just like the Civic Type R people buy these cars because they need a daily driver that is also fun. And the Clubsport really delivers on that.
@@TheLordCrash the clubsport is not enough fun to be anything other than a practical daily that is a bit of fun from time to time. The problem is they've ruined the ride comfort with the clubsport. Therefore you may as well buy the car built on the same platform that does a better job at being a daily driver. If you want a hot hot hatch then you have to look outside of the VW group!
@@DinosaurJuiceCars I don't think so. The Clubsport ist the jack of all trades of hot hatches, being both comfortable and sporty enough while offering a decent, classic exterior and a well built functional interior. It's the best hot hatch you can get right now imho if you want something for everything. If you want a sports car you should buy a sports car, you know. This is still a daily driver car that offers some fun on the road, just like you said. But you know, to each their own. There's a car out there for everyone. ;)
As someone coming from a four wheel drive Golf R Dan how do both these cars perform and handle in the wet?.. Here in the UK it rains practically every second day which is why I went four wheel drive. 👍
I’d like to know this too. I’m debating whether to replace my 7.5R with an 8R or Clubsport. Need to drive both back to back in the wet to be able to make an informed decision..
@@andrewmontague2636 Keep your 7.5 R. Looks better than the fugly MK8. You have likely the last good looking generation. By the time the MK9 should be coming about. VW will be well underway with their changeover to EV's. I drive an IS38 GTI in the PNW and there are times I wish I had the R. So the Clubsport would be the same pretty much. Trust me, keep the R.
@@Peylix It’s an option, for sure. I do want to drive CS and 8R before I do anything.. One thing that’s making me think I might get a new one is that I think it might be the last Golf. If there is a Mk9 it certainly won’t be much more than a heavily facelifted Mk8. Mk9 wouldn’t come til 2026 at the earliest and I don’t think, with all of the investment required and given VWs commitment to the electric car programme, that they’ll do it, especially with sales of new ICE cars banned in the U.K. (one of GTI/R’s biggest markets) from 2030 and in most of Europe from 2035 latest.. I may be wrong, but that’s my hunch..🤷🏻♂️
Is the E888 the same in the standard GTI, especially the internals? The diff in the Honda is torsen based, so it doesn't need plates and pressures to transfer power which requires additional maintenance.
I really REALLY don't like FWD cars (i.e FWD haldex or just FWD). Torsen/Viscous AWD cars with a rear torque bias is my thing (longitudinal Audi's and Subaru's), but these cars definitely grab my attention every every time!
The Type R is so far removed from its routes, that Honda might as well ditch the manual, and get power to the rear wheels as well, then it'll be a killer!
The fk8 civic type r is a modern version of the old ch1 accord type r both drive very similar other than the civic's extra power but lack of vtec intake noise
Since the Clubsport S, which is the best golf ever built and it was manual i wonder why 🤔. This new versions don't live up to the name, getting too much electronic configurations, the first was a pure hothatch with lots of feel. Indeed very similar to actual Type R that's why it never gets old, everything looks like the first time. Like you said it's the transparency and communication that really makes a good performance car and this one is brilliant.
Great review. I agree if VW badge the car Club Sport some more purity would be welcomed. Civic is joy to drive. Could sound better anyway. In Sportline form is closer to GTI look.
Nice review however the Golf gti cs has already beaten the Civic in a track test. So I"m not sure I agree with the conclusion. I think its just seat of the pants feel he's experiencing, not real actual results.
@@ervin7178 Ok you go with that. Thats what they said about the little brz when it came out too, you guys should team up, and in the mean time the rest of us will smile as we pass you by.
What will the next generation Type R be like?.. they will have to test it against a Porsche or Ferrari cause no car in its class can touch it and it’s old now in comparison to other manufacturers hot hatches
Both cars are great in their own ways. Although you are correct in a straight line the Type R will lose. Put them both on a track for hot laps and sadly the Golf R will get smoked. Both great cars but are great in their ways. For context I own a mk7.5 Golf R and love it but respect is due where respect is due and the Type R although hideous is a great car!
@@Fiam865 Couldn't agree more i own a FK8 the handling is sublime, yes on a launch the Golf R would win, but would embarrass a Golf R on a twisty road.
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The FK8 is like a good vintage wine, it has gotten better and "more recognition" with age. At first many were too focused on the polarizing aesthetics of the Type R, but then it began to slowly capture the hearts and minds of many. This FK8 is reminiscent of the game changing impact the NA1 NSX had (to only a degree of course, as the original NSX was groundbreaking in so many ways). It's been 5 years since the FK8 came into the market and it has not been dethroned yet as the best overall hot hatch.
Agreed and well said!
Its only those clowns who focus too much on aesthetics that find the Type R too flashy. Nothing wrong in being flashy when you can dominate everything in an above your price range.
Can’t agree more...
@@arunmfive On point!
You could argue a good case for the Hyundai. But only on a preference/budget basis. I think the Hyundai is pretty underrated because of the badge. Similar to how you see so few Type R FK8's on the road. It's a shame, but at the same time it's evidence that people don't have taste in good driving. Instead we have a crap-ton of SUV's roaming about which aren't even as practical as these hot hatches
Love how you're showing more of your emotion/excitement in these new videos, helps the reviews especially for our sake. Keep going at it Dan love your progression, since the good old Evo days👍
never heard a bloke say he wants a rotating knob but... now I think about it, not a bad idea
He’s clearly modelled himself after chris Harris as a freelancer, and who can blame him! More power to him.
These vw touch buttons are absolutely horrific.
Obviously a round knob is easy and satisfying than touch buttons
Made me laugh out loud that did.
The FK8 remains on top, what a machine. I can only imagine a version of that engine in a new S2000...
Dan Prosser is the best in the business for these types of comparisons in my opinion. Real nails the subtle distinctions between the two. Keep it up Dan!
Sounds like the Type R and the GR Yaris are still the Goku and Vegeta of this arena.
Well said!
we need to see them both on that 70-80 miles per hour corner, where the Clubsport lost its composture! 🙊
I'd question that comment....
I recently went for a test drive in a 2018 Audi S1 3DR, Stunning Hot Hatch looks, and so high quality and luxurious in the cabin, almost as quick as the ugly plasticky GR Yaris, and cheaper to buy too now!!
And a new 2021 VW Golf R, would bury the Civic Type R, and pretty much everything else in its price catagory!!
Nuh not even close lol...type r and yaris gr are mediocre at best.
Mac Sixtyfive yup the true Goku is the Golf-R
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tho the right driver (me😬) in the clubsport would deliver the crappy honda and Yaris a proper spanking 💁🏻♂️
He sounds much happier driving the type R.
How to state the obvious when he eluded to that pretty much from his review
Dan is a bit selfish having all that fun inside yet forcing everyone else to see that exterior
@@volkswizard did not want to see the speeding meeting
My léon cupra 5 f has the same engine, same power, bigger brakes, Adaptative dumpers, 19' rims and Michelin ps4s form standard, and the possibility to have it manual (what I have)
All of it for nearly 10 grand less.
I drive also a Cupra 300 with KW Clubsport 2way and 255 30 R19 PS4s :-) That drives really HotHatchig with Remus sound 😁
Yeah seat is killing it if you dont care for the "GTI" cult.
Can you send me one please? 😂
@@NomadPoker1???
Really Fucking hell 10k 😲
I own I type R same color. The car has a presence. After test driving the car, I know I had to have it.
I also have a racing blue Type R, after just seeing it in the metal I wanted it. After I drove the demonstrator, it was just ok you got me, no bartering just show me where to sign !
I drove the fk2 and loved that after owning lots of ep3 and Fn2 and can only imagine how the fk8 has progressed over the fk2 amazing engines I remember years ago selling my ep3 for a golf gti and within 2 months I was back to a type r so says it all
Honda by a mile for me. Recently bought the LE version of the Type R. Paid over sticker but still very happy with it. Unique car for sure. Best FWD For sale in the US.
The Clubsport should come with DCC, the bigger DSG paddles from the new R and the 19’s as standard (because the 18” Richmonds are hideous).
It should come at least with the "option" of a 6-speed manual. For the Type R there there is no option. You only get the 6-speed manual and Honda has sold tens of thousands of them and NOBODY complains. I think the real reason there is no 6-speed manual in the Golf GTI Club Sport s because VW knows it will be compared to the best in the business as seen in the Type R and that is a battle VW is unwilling to fight. Sad because even Hyundai has a great 6-speed manual in the Veloster N.
@@StandingUpForBetter the lack of a manual option is pure cost cutting as they have to put every available option for the DSG through WLTP testing again individually for a manual
To be fair the the manual gearbox on the standard GTI isn’t great.
@@jryalls No it sucks i know because i have the prev gti clubsport now
@@billx4266 Things don't get better on their own, you have to fix them. The fact that VW is unwilling to improve the manual they make or even partner with someone who makes good manuals shows how much they care about the enthusiasts. With almost all supercars including the ones in their other family of cars going flappy paddle, this hot hatch segment would have been the perfect place to keep the manual alive. Oh well. That is why I gave my money to Honda.
Great content, Dan. I have a 2021 Type R and love it. Very practical and a proper track day toy too.
I'd take the GTI Club Sport for a daily over the Type R. If it was going to be my second car, id take the Type R...or the new BRZ when it comes out because its RWD.
The Type R is one of those cars I want to drive, but don't want to own. It just has this childish look to it, even the Veloster N looks more mature. That GTI Clubsport though looks amazing in my opinion, especially in that color.
maybe VW and Honda can build a car together next time lol Drive like the civic looks like the golf
The veloster N looks more what? You can't possibly be serious lol also you simply buy cars for looks?
@@OrionTripp I'm dead serious. They are both "odd" in their own way, but I'd rather have a Veloster N in the driveway that whatever that Type R is supposed to look like. To be fair, I think the Civic just looks bad in general this generation, so that's definitely not helping it. And no, I don't just buy cars for looks. I own a 7.5 R because it checks just about every boxes AND it doesn't try to look like a rocket.
Commitment in the GTI at the start took me by surprise!
Golf GTI Clubsport S is the Ultimate that can compare with Type R
Really thorough review, excellent! The biggest issue with Civic Type R is it’s looks, which must’ve had a severe effect on sales. For all of the people who can’t live with that, there’s now the Golf 8 Clubsport.
It’s brilliant that manufacturers are still developing this type of car, let’s enjoy them while we can, this could be the last generation of ICE hot hatches..
Doubt it. They're still selling with mark ups over here in the states. I have a strong feeling Honda sells each one they make.
The Type R sport line definitely has a slightly more mature look to it to cater for those sales
The ‘looks’ issue is only a problem for people who watch videos of the vehicle on TH-cam. Once you see the car in the flesh, it’s a different story.
@@samanson2001as much as my 67 yoa self loves the boy racer look, the sport line would have been my choice if available in USA
@@Highlander1518 so true!
I'm on to my 2nd Golf Mk7. i never use the radio button, i use the button on the steering wheel.
Except front headlights I like the look of that GTI. I can't imagine myself in a car looking like TypeR no matter how good it drives.
Did I miss Dan saying that bit because even the Pistonheads audience surely judge a car on looks to some degree?
@@volkswizard idk, that is my opinion tho.
agree with this
agree, looks and interior.
Exactly, CTR is for boys, GTI is for guys.
Love them both. Glad they exist.
Styling always subjective but the Golf’s rear end looks poorly proportioned and detailed compared to the Mk7.
It looks like the t roc from behind. Generic VW styling.
Looks like the new golf was done on the cheap ...exterior wise styling is like a kia or some of the cheaper brands...
The GTI Clubsport is according to a Test of a magazine faster than the Type R despite the HP. I would definitely pick the CS here
unfortunately dispite having the nurburgring mod it's more than 10 seconds slower on the ring. poor clubsport
@@diegobacchi false claim, the Type R did it in 7.48 and the CS in 7.54 - so not 10, just 6 seconds. And on other tracks performed the CS slightly better than the Type R. The CS looks also to me much better and has a far better interior.
@@mattleistner313 tipe r 7:43.8, again poor golf, the 7.5 was much better this is just a piece of crap
@@diegobacchi dont know this time and if you look at the list you will notice that this time was a manufacture claim and not an official. Watch also for several battles between them on other tracks and you will find wins for the CS.
Great vid, as ever Dan. 👍🏻 Those VW touch-sensitive interior controls are a turn off with Zero practicality...why do these manufacturers keep sticking an fugly tablet on the dash? Also, VW been fitting those too-small DSG paddles for 15 years across their brands...
Dan, you Steve Sutcliffe and Chris Harris are the very best road testers, if you are real petrol heads. I HAVE A 2021 CIVIC TYPE R and agree with every comment. Let’s just be happy that the Golf and Yaris etc also existing as we will all be driving milk floats soon ❗️😜
@iamspyvspy that’s unfair dude a lot of TH-camrs are doing a great job, and they have the balls to try it, remember Chris Harris lived of TH-cam for a time and he supports a lot TH-camrs now..
Brilliant as always from Dan.
The lack of individual mode in the Civic actually makes the Golf the better car to own in IMO. As Dan alluded to, the Civic either leaves you bouncing around annoyingly on B roads in Sport mode, or stuck with a dulled off throttle response in order to get decent pliancy from the suspension.
The Golf's obvious ability, coupled with its configurability, may just give it the edge as something to live with everyday for 3 years..... albeit the lack of manual is a potential deal breaker
I hope there's an IT wizard out there hacking the ECU to bring us comfort suspension and sport throttle response. 🙏
@@fishmanmtb has ours for 2 years
How much do the R owners have to sell out to get 450bhp plus
Stage 2 and it came to just under 2k
I knew that golf was going to get dispatched as soon as I read Type R in the title
Great vid! Really falling for the Civic Type R recently. Love that stretch of road, too.
great review because at least u compared two similar cars unlike carwow who unfairly compared front wheel drive hot hatch with all wheel drive hot hatch
And now they uploaded a video about the type r asking if it's the best hot hatch, hahahaha. I guess they want to fix their mistake. I even commented on their video "why you compare an awd car with dsg transmission to a fwd with manual? If you want to be fair, compare the NSX to the golf r, both awd with dsg" 😂😂😂
Agreed. They also had a video racing an RS3 against a bunch of hot hatches. Like a 15-20 grand difference between them. Made no sense.
Love both cars but the Clubsport takes it all for me. Incredible car
The Honda has more unique built character, whereas the Golf feels like just a mass product
Talk about driving the wheels off a car. Good going Dan!
If you put the practical aspects by the side, the only that can match the civic is the megane 3 rs cup 275.
Having a léon cupra 5f that is in fact this golf underneath, I miss my megane every time I find a good stretch of road
Exactly!!!
The FK8 Civic Type R is just immense. Wonderful, wonderful to drive.
Nice video photography. Great overhead shots . Pity the Golf 8 will be losing these compare tests . Inherent design flaws can’t be hidden . Viva Type R
I wonder how popular the Honda Civic Type R Sport-Line model will be with the redesigned spoiler. Great driver’s car and a smooth daily. 👍
Curious to see how the Volkswagon Golf stands up against a Hyundai i30N or Veloster N.
Touch points and steering matter sooo much more than crappy interior and dodgy styling. I'd love a Civic Type R- (200hp for wimps like me). Great review (and just found your podcasts an all!)
Buy an Si
I own an older generation Civic Type R and wanted to stay with Honda but have ordered the GR Yaris. The new Civic Type R, although brilliant, is just too big for my needs. I wish Honda would bring out a hot successor to the CRZ or even S2000, I would be sold. Great video! 👍🏻
I have a 2019 Honda Civic Type R and LOVE it! Is it our family car. It is a family car that has made car enthusiasts out of the whole family :) I have returned to the Honda family. My first Honda was a 1986 Honda CRX. I would not object to a Honda CRX Type R. Imagine a modern, 2 door Honda CRX with the Civic Type R engine and that 6-speed manual...WOW!
@@StandingUpForBetter Exactly, I would buy an updated CRX, absolutely. The gearbox in the FK8 is sublime, you made a good choice!
Yeah it's definitely big. With the fenders it's considerably wider than my neighbours older Land Rover. It's pratical, but it's also a pain parking especially in narrow streets because you will always stick out further into the road than those in front and behind you. How about a Honda Jazz Type R? Let's go!
Lucky guy
@@EliteGi A Jazz Type R would be serious fun!
As amazing as the Civic sounds dynamically I don't think I'd ever have one because of those looks...
Me neither.
Neither cars are particularly good looking.
@@samcourt6228 No, neither are great, but the Civic is particularly challenging. I imagine they lost a fair few potential customers signing that off. The Golf just looks like every other "evolution not revolution" design, where it's just a podgier but slightly edgier revamp of the last one.
@@TrojanHamster challenging is a polite way to describe the Honda! 😂
@iamspyvspy it’s just when you walk up to it 🤢
"Could you do it to yourself? Could you turn up to the people you love looking like that?" Chris Harris
Aren’t there volume controls on the steering wheel?
Just another annoying touch sensitive slider...
More touch buttons, for whatever reason
Honda all day long, they perfected the formula of the Hot hatch, fast mechanical feel and focused around the driver. Still the best. 🇯🇵
Thanks for the comparison. Type R all the way! That car is a modern day legend!
Would it hurt to use 15 seconds to do a drag race?
Yes, cause it would be rather pointless. The Golf would monster it and neither of them is about straight line performance.
@@TheStigHCE09 I'm talking about all your reviews. Good cars. But a lot of people want to see a drag race. So no, it wouldn't hurt. Muppet
@@cornedenecker1636 You can watch people race cars in a straight line on so many channels, why must they do it as well? This is actually very reminiscent of Chris Harris on Cars, which is perfect. And if you want to be my Miss Piggy that's neither here nor there.
@@TheStigHCE09 I wasn't really asking your opinion. Because you don't matter. Trot on
@@cornedenecker1636 Ooft. You got me there, buddy. I mean it's almost as if this public comment on a public comment section on a social media website is indeed asking for opinions, because otherwise you wouldn't put it here, but clearly I'm mistaken. And I prefer the canter rather than the trot in terms of a horse's gait.
When I saw VW were releasing the Clubsport fairly soon after the MK8’s launch I had a feeling that they had rushed it just to get some bigger numbers on the top trumps card and it turns out that they have. I lived with a 3 door Edition 40 manual for a week or so and it was fabulous, it felt like VW had spent some proper time on it as you explained on your review of it all them years ago at Evo. The MK8 doesn’t look like it has that same ethos at all, the slightest of chassis changes, a remap and a fancy sticker, a bit of a wasted opportunity. Yet again though Dan a mega video 👍🏼
The new Clubsport would kill the Edition 40. It may have lost to the Civic on subjective items but short of the Clubsport S the bigger picture is that this is the best driving Golf so far (I have driven both and I've got a CS Ed40 on the drive as I type).
It’s such a shame the Honda is a bit marmite with its looks! The reviews on this car have been amazing, a true drivers car. As for the VW clubsport, I’m inclined to agree that it does look like VW rushed this model. It might be the most capable GTI to date if you exclude the Clubsport S but that doesn’t make it the best Golf GTI. The anniversary editions just felt a little bit more special and the Edition 40 was the best and closest to the Clubsport S in my opinion.
Ps you can have a lot of fun in the Mk5 GTI for a fraction of the money.
Reminds me of what ford done with the mustang name with the mustang mach e. Just rely on the name to boost sales, nothing more than a marketing strategy
@@volkswizard I think that’s a given considering it’s got more power and a dsg box but outright pace isn’t the be all and end all. The edition 40’s manual was a lovely gearbox and considering this car is still based on the the 7.5 I can’t see that the suspension changes to this one would leave much on the table on a twisty road if the two were to meet. The edition 40 would still appeal more special to most, 3 doors, manual box, alcantara wheel 👌🏼 it felt special and it looked it and I don’t think this one does.
Of course people bashing the Honda for the looks like its a multipla. But if there is nothing else to hate on it for....
Yeah the Type R may be the better drivers car in specific scenarios when you're using it in a certain way. But in the real world you want a car that's good to look at, comfortable and will respond when you need the power. The GTI is just the better everyday car in my opinion.
Definitely. No matter how good the Type R is, I couldn’t live with the awful looks when shelling out a lot of money. GTi for me.
They both look crappy, I would go for a focus st or an old 7.5 gti
See the looks of the Type R need to be seen before judgement is passed. It looks incredible in the flesh.
@@Highlander1518 no, it really doesn’t
@@bield7 Yes it really does. It’s subjective anyway. Deal with it.
Just watched this , you guys do the best best BEST reviews on cars . I buy on your reviews your that good . Brilliant as usual
APR stage 1 high torque, GTI 2019, killed the civic on top end and start, but once that Type R went into corners, no chance to catch up. Type R is a true track sport vehicle, GTI is more like a daily with some track features. This is coming from a GTI owner.
I wish I could couple a DSG on the Type R and see how the engine puts the power down to the wheels.
Exact same results i had with a friend back when i had just the stg 1 flash. The gti would need many more suspension mods and much stickier tires (front lcas, rear sway, and a 200 tw tire) to even think about chasing down a stock type r through some corners.
@@silentvalue I agree man, that's why clubsport changed some major suspension components, compared to GTI, even then, the club sport came short when it was one on one with type R!
Buttons on steering wheel also do volume.
its not as functional as a knob.
@@arunmfive Yes, it is. I drove the Golf 7 for years and almost never used the knobs but in 99% of the time the controls on the steering wheel. Your hand is usually there anyway so it's just a really quick movement with your thumb. I drive a Golf 8 Diesel now (waiting for my Clubsport) and I almost never use the actual display or the sliders beneath. I either use the controls on the steering wheel or voice controls. It's actually pretty easy to use once you get away from that manual knob stuff you're just so used to. It's a very clean, modern and good looking cockpit that can easily be controlled once you get a hold of it, especially with voice control added.
I enjoyed your review. Thanks! No manual, way more expensive, not as nice to drive (so you say), seats not as good, numb steering, but with all the faults, I would take the Golf Club Sport over the Type R every time. I just can't get past that hideous look of the type R. Too bad they don't offer it in a proper hatchback like to old Civic VTEC hatchback. That I would take. I know it's personal taste, but I am a grownup and driving what looks like a child's cartoon drawing is not for me.
Great vid mate excellent review!!! I’m a type r Fan but I do love that club sport !!!
So now your Chris Honda Volkswagen...😀😀😀
@@Shane-zx4ps lol 😂 I would love to have a club sport gti and be chris vee dub for awhile
really enjoyed watching this video, well done Dan & PH Team
honest review,unfortunately Volkswagen puts words like Sport R etc etc but gets lost on redefining the interior too much and does not think about what sportiness really is,just think that a Golf R does not run as fast as a Civic Type R at the Nurburgring 😅
For us Americans who have a slow gti and golf r, can you explain to me why you’d want to pay the same price as a golf r for a gti with the same power and no awd🤷🏻♂️
Drive them and you'll see. They feel very different even though they share 90% of parts
@@hellotube3 I can’t clubsport dont exist in America, just the 220 hp gti And the golf r
Same colour as my FK8, just a joy to drive.
Missed a trick with the clubsport
Far to conservative
TCR looks way nicer
we get better options here in Ireland for some reason the same as Germany so with estoril's and black styling pack it looks a level above the TCR and that's coming from a TCR owner
As an FK8 owner, I do not agree that it's engine sounds good. Certainly more lively than that GTI, but still not good. And the exhaust is way too quiet and plain sounding.
So the civic type R is still the best drivers hot hatch since the FK2?
I don't twist that the type R the best one here is. But sportcontact 6's with 245 wide tires for the type R and bridgestone potenza S001's for the Clubsport with 235 are not competition of each other. Put a set Michelin Cup 2 or at least 4S on the Clubsport wheels, and you get a whole different story (for sure with the same size of tires).
I love the type R, realy in the sportline trim. But give me a kings red metallic Clubsport. Best looking hot hatch for sure.
i30n VS Type R Dan? Do you think that would be a more balanced comparison?
Honda should release a Clubsport version and just put the Hothatch market to bed.......
They do its called the limited and only comes in yellow.
Waiting on the new i30N. Had a FK2 and it was ridiculously fast. An N sounds more usable more of the time on paper, but an R Sportline in gray feels toned down enough to be doable.
FK8 better in all ways than the FK2 though, much better ride than the earlier car,
This channel needs more subscribers.. Great content!!
Another good video Dan.
No sold on the Mk8 Golf at all. It’s ugly outside an the interior leaves a lot to be desired especially with the very obvious cost cutting which doesn’t cu it with the asking price. The Mk 7.5 was always going to be a tough act to follow.
I respect the Honda, but have zero desire to own one.
Dan is one of the most credible UK journalists and said in this video that the Golf interior has "a really good cabin" and "looks gorgeous" Having driven a number of Mk8s and owning 2 7.5s, 7.5 cabin is looking dated now, I mean I have to plug my phone in to charge it.
@@volkswizard I’d far rather have to plug my phone in to charge it and have actually buttons / knobs for stuff like the HVAC. The cost cutting is obvious too which is something that you’ve pointed out in your own videos. VW are probably relieved that the new 1 series is so hideous; the cabin in that is fantastic an the 128ti by all account is very very good to drive.
Great video production work, thanks!
37,000 pounds is pretty heavy though. Wouldn’t that decrease performance?
Perfect review as usual ! Thanks Dan !
How would you compare the clubsport to the focus ST? Focus takes the edge in fun to drive yes?
Nice review mate as always ! well done
would love to see a comparison video of the clubsport and the new R but for some reason vw aren't giving the car to anyone to review
automann did a test, the R and clubsport are just as fast 100-200km/h
Golf needs a 6 speed manual pointless otherwise as you'd get the R.
Manuals are pointless. When you want to drive a fast car get an automatic.
id like to see this type R vs the golf8 r
When it comes to a hot golf they are all a bit boring so you might as well get the normal GTI and if you getting the normal GTI you would be far better off saving your money and getting the Skoda Octavia VRS. There is only one reason to buy the VW and that is badge snobby.
The Clubsport costs less than 5k more than the normal GTI and you get a much better performance, steering and sound. If you are interested in a hot hatch Golf you should always go for the Clubsport and not the normal GTI. The normal GTI is usually sold to old people who don't know any better. Skoda Octavia RS is a whole different car class and offers quite less than the Clubsport in terms of performance, steering and quality and materials. People buying a Skoda Octavia RS are usually a whole different group of people that those interested in a hot hatch like the Clubsport. You buy a Skoda Octavia RS because you have to carry your family or other stuff around and because you want to combine a practical car with some good performance. That's not the case with a normal (non Variant) Gold and especially not a Clubsport or R. Just like the Civic Type R people buy these cars because they need a daily driver that is also fun. And the Clubsport really delivers on that.
@@TheLordCrash the clubsport is not enough fun to be anything other than a practical daily that is a bit of fun from time to time. The problem is they've ruined the ride comfort with the clubsport. Therefore you may as well buy the car built on the same platform that does a better job at being a daily driver. If you want a hot hot hatch then you have to look outside of the VW group!
@@DinosaurJuiceCars I don't think so. The Clubsport ist the jack of all trades of hot hatches, being both comfortable and sporty enough while offering a decent, classic exterior and a well built functional interior. It's the best hot hatch you can get right now imho if you want something for everything. If you want a sports car you should buy a sports car, you know. This is still a daily driver car that offers some fun on the road, just like you said. But you know, to each their own. There's a car out there for everyone. ;)
As someone coming from a four wheel drive Golf R Dan how do both these cars perform and handle in the wet?.. Here in the UK it rains practically every second day which is why I went four wheel drive. 👍
I’d like to know this too. I’m debating whether to replace my 7.5R with an 8R or Clubsport. Need to drive both back to back in the wet to be able to make an informed decision..
@@andrewmontague2636 Keep your 7.5 R. Looks better than the fugly MK8. You have likely the last good looking generation. By the time the MK9 should be coming about. VW will be well underway with their changeover to EV's.
I drive an IS38 GTI in the PNW and there are times I wish I had the R. So the Clubsport would be the same pretty much.
Trust me, keep the R.
@@Peylix It’s an option, for sure. I do want to drive CS and 8R before I do anything.. One thing that’s making me think I might get a new one is that I think it might be the last Golf. If there is a Mk9 it certainly won’t be much more than a heavily facelifted Mk8. Mk9 wouldn’t come til 2026 at the earliest and I don’t think, with all of the investment required and given VWs commitment to the electric car programme, that they’ll do it, especially with sales of new ICE cars banned in the U.K. (one of GTI/R’s biggest markets) from 2030 and in most of Europe from 2035 latest.. I may be wrong, but that’s my hunch..🤷🏻♂️
The civic would be a nice buy if it was more “coupe” looking. Sloping body a bit like a TTRS or RCZ R. But still accommodating 4 doors.
Is the E888 the same in the standard GTI, especially the internals? The diff in the Honda is torsen based, so it doesn't need plates and pressures to transfer power which requires additional maintenance.
Just use your steering wheel controls for volume ✌️
Great review Dan. Well done 👍
“Hey guys we need to do a shoot, has anybody got anything to wash the cars with?”
“Erm.....milk?”
“Get on with it.”
I really REALLY don't like FWD cars (i.e FWD haldex or just FWD). Torsen/Viscous AWD cars with a rear torque bias is my thing (longitudinal Audi's and Subaru's), but these cars definitely grab my attention every every time!
I want the honda because it drives really good, but the looks, thats why i will not choose this car. I hope the next generation will look better....
what do you mean the best?what about the A45 amg 2 liter engine?
The Type R is so far removed from its routes, that Honda might as well ditch the manual, and get power to the rear wheels as well, then it'll be a killer!
As much I love GTI , but they simple Civic I prefer 💖
You know there’s volume controls on the steering wheel right? Also the civic sounds terrible!
The fk8 civic type r is a modern version of the old ch1 accord type r both drive very similar other than the civic's extra power but lack of vtec intake noise
Since the Clubsport S, which is the best golf ever built and it was manual i wonder why 🤔. This new versions don't live up to the name, getting too much electronic configurations, the first was a pure hothatch with lots of feel. Indeed very similar to actual Type R that's why it never gets old, everything looks like the first time. Like you said it's the transparency and communication that really makes a good performance car and this one is brilliant.
Golf r is better than any clubsport.
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Great review. I agree if VW badge the car Club Sport some more purity would be welcomed. Civic is joy to drive. Could sound better anyway. In Sportline form is closer to GTI look.
Wonder how the golf r wound have faired against the type R
Nice review however the Golf gti cs has already beaten the Civic in a track test. So I"m not sure I agree with the conclusion. I think its just seat of the pants feel he's experiencing, not real actual results.
Seat of the pants feel is what matters
@@ervin7178 Ok you go with that. Thats what they said about the little brz when it came out too, you guys should team up, and in the mean time the rest of us will smile as we pass you by.
How about Renault Mégane RS ? It's faster than the civic on the track.
What will the next generation Type R be like?.. they will have to test it against a Porsche or Ferrari cause no car in its class can touch it and it’s old now in comparison to other manufacturers hot hatches
How long before you drive a Sportline Type R?
love the FK8, keep the Golf it still looks like any other Golf!
Great Reviews,keep it up
I have that berghaus jacket its a wonder there wasn't feathers flying all over on the video
Sorry, but the Honda looks as if six year old has drawn a car for the first time.
Can we compare the Club Sport to the refreshed Megane RS 2021 plzzzzz
Good job my man🎉
Why did you not race them side to side? Redo the video to include! New Golf R model with 315hp and awd does 0-60 in 4 seconds and smoked the type R!
Both cars are great in their own ways. Although you are correct in a straight line the Type R will lose. Put them both on a track for hot laps and sadly the Golf R will get smoked.
Both great cars but are great in their ways. For context I own a mk7.5 Golf R and love it but respect is due where respect is due and the Type R although hideous is a great car!
@@Fiam865 Couldn't agree more i own a FK8 the handling is sublime, yes on a launch the Golf R would win, but would embarrass a Golf R on a twisty road.
@@greymark420golf r can keep up with fk8.