I Bought A $400 Electric Outboard From Amazon (DOES IT WORK?)
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I found this $400 boat motor on amazon that is suppose to be equal to a 5HP gas engine.
I take it out and put it to the test!
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We have the 8HP 48V Hangkai, Been running it for 2 yrs now in electric only clubs No issues at all. The one change we made was switching to Lithium batteries. We usually make long runs and Lead acid were good for half a day before losing power, Now we can run full power all day, No worries... .. Love ours
Thank you for your comment. I want to switch to electric also. How many amo hours do your lithium batteries need to run all day in that Hangkai 8hp 48v? I was assuming that I would need a minimum of 100ah & it seems like that costs over $2k & would be about 100 pounds of batteries. Any suggestions?
@@r.williamcomm7693 it would be 100lbs of lead acid/agm/gel..
Lithuim gets quite a bit more AH....crazy more...with the weight of 2 or less....and they are well sealed, dont buy into the "lithium catches fire in water" nonsense because they are sealed well...and will be inside.anyway...the problem uou ask????
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I am New to owning a boat!! I have the same motor from Amazon. On the site it listed the battery requirements as any 120ah deep cycle. ( Or at least that is what I gathered) so I bought the motor and a battery. When I realized I was going to need 3 more batteries, I figured it would be cheaper just to buy us a smaller electric outboard motor that can run off of 1 12 volt battery. I. My point have a brand new one of those motors if you want it I live in San Francisco I'll give it to you for 50 bucks come and get it
You've obviously never thrown a battery in the water.
@@strawberryboones4780 would you ship it to me. I was just medically retired from the army and I have a small plastic boat. I have the batteries laying around.
Nice video. I have the same motor. If you notice, it is a 5 hp motor with a 1200 watts power consumption. That does not add up as 746 watts equals 1 horsepower. So this is just over 1 and a half hp. It still works well enough for my light boat and I have two 48 v 100 amp hour batteries so it can go full speed for 8 hours.
So it's shit. Like buying a car and getting 2 pistons and a door.
It’s a 5 hp “equivalent”, but not truly 5hp. It’s a weird thing about electric marine motors.
@@the_wanderful_life Doesn't sound equivalent to me if it's only a 1.2 KW motor.
It's 300% efficient! :)
I'm green to motors and batteries for. Boats. Which batteries and how many do you recommend for this little setup.
Being from Georgia myself, I had to see what you said about it. I've been looking at these things for some time now. They ain't cheap!!! But I have pondered the thought of getting one on a new boat build. No matter what you find they all seem to make noise. This one seems pretty good. That set up would be great here in the Ozarks. 4 batteries is some weight for sure but you got to have it, I agree as well. Glad I checked it out!!! That's something I'm having to consider as well. I like your channel. You're information on this one really helped me determine the true pros and cons. Thanks for sharing 👊
$400 for a new electric OB isn’t cheap?
No music needed. Great information video. No drone needed,,
I've got the same motor and everyone I've talked to that has one says you need to take the prop off and take the plate off behind the prop and add oil to the gears. I did mine and it's been running great. I can get two fishing trips before I recharge!
Did adding oil quiet the noise any?
Yes , did the oil make it quieter? I have a four stroke gas motor and it sounds quieter. I have a 10ft 6in porta boat. Made of plastic . I really like it. Light and is quiet. My 5hp gas motor seems quieter than that motor. Adding 4 batteries would make boat too heavy in back. 4 batteries weights more than boat.! Lol. About 2 times as much. Boat motor is 52 lbs.
That makes sense, the motor was over working & boat not moving because gears were starved for lubrication. I also read thar a bronze bushing wore out in another comment. Always pull plugs for lubrication. Im a millwright though, second nature for me.
seen a couple of these out there in the bayou, most noticeable was the 300 pounds of batteries needed for a four hour runtime,they also seemed really loud, and the benefit of using a decent trolling motor to sneak up on fish is lost, some might be okay with the tradeoffs
That's lead acid not lithium though 👍
Lithium is about 1/3 the weight snd twice the capacity at the same time 😎
Is the noise from the motor or the cooling fan? Next review could you include amp/hour battery specs and what this motor draws for time running so we can get an idea of range? I’m in South Florida so I’m interested to see how it does in the heat also. Thanks for putting out some info on this thing. So hard to tell if these things are junk or not.
Hope you are still loving the boat! To this day my girlfriend is still mad I sold it!! Glad to see its still being loved
You and your wife fishing, you are living the dream brother!
Excellent video!!! Thank You 🙏 for taking your time and sharing this video
I use trolling motors to eliminate exhaust smell and noise. I bet twin 86 pound trolling motors would be quieter than this motor, and no heating issues. Also redundancy in case one fails.
I have a gas outboard, doesn't smell at all and is very quiet. Very smooth and pleasant running reliable engine.Lasts all day and I can just fill up the can and it's ready to go again. No heavy batteries to mess around with. Love it.
Perhaps my ears and nose are hypersensitive to the sound and byproducts of internal combustion of gasoline.@@fraudsarentfriends4717
Definitely not 5hp.
1200 watts is 1.6HP.
An ammeter on the battery lead would at least give you an idea of the power consumption before efficiency losses.
I'm with you
I don't think this is a option for any application other than lakes that don't allow gas boat motor !
I own a 24 volt Motor guide 70lb thrust Trolling motor and it moves my 21 ft Sundance V-hull Bay Boat 5 mph on my Garmin GPS and does it VERY QUITE and this is a waste of $$$$
Thinking about purchasing one of these for my 12 John boat. I fish mainly electric only lakes in GA, and this seems like a worthwhile buy for the price.
Looks like about 1.5hp to me. I’ve got some old air cooled outboards by cruise n carry and tanaka that only weigh 15-20lbs that put out 1.2hp and 2hp. They haul ass on a kayak.
So from what I’m seeing with these electric outboard’s it’s crucial to manage expectations. A good rule of thumb is to take with the manufacturer calls equivalent and cut it in half. For instance, if you had a 5 hp gas rig on your boat and wanted to replace it with an as powerful electric set up then you would want to get a 10 hp rated electric outboard. This seems to be true with all electric outboard manufactures as even the largest 50 hp Elco motor gives you 25 hp gas results.
So how do you like it now that you've had it for a while? Had it stood the test of time?
Thanks for making this all I could find was foreign reviews!
Some RC boats have water cooled motors just by sucking water from the inlet and looping around the motor with copper tubing and back out the boat. Just use a water pump.
I would love to open it up and see what motor and gearbox setup is in that. You could probably bolt the drone to a pole and get nice quiet thrust. Love the fishing boat, nice setup.
The 10hp electric HANGKAI model is listed as 60V 38A(rated current) = 2280w (rated as 2.2KW)
Whilst the 8hp electric HANGKAI model is listed as 48V 50A(rated current) = 2400W (again rated as 2.2KW)
What is the reason for the discrepancy? Is the 10hp model more powerful?
sounds like a cheaper brushed motor rather than brushless my minkota 30 30 pushes near 5mph so prop quality probably is a thing I'd mid mount your batteries for better weight distribution so the hull isn't trying to climb uphill the water wasting your speed with up force unless you're getting a higher HP electric to get more 🏓 paddle power ,shoot id just strap 8 to 6 regular trolling motors back there with modified props for best performance and maybe get her to plane but yeah you're gonna need more batteries more powah deh better maybe throw some cheap solar panels on the deck to float charge the batteries so when not moving or just fishing at anchor ⚓🔱 your at least getting a bit of charge or at least covering the battery drain of fish finder can always wire in paralell to charge of a 12v smart car charger overnight then swap to om series mode for the faster prop speeds but less range🤷🏻♀️😇 good luck fishing out there 👍 glad you're trying to save the environment with electromagnetic radiation pulses 😂♻️🎣
Batteries are so heavy, it pretty much cancels out any possible advantage. I don't want a pile of lead in my fishing boat and weighing the rear end down.
Thanks for the video review. Helped. Thought these would be cool for a small boat but I’ll stick with a minn kota for our John boat. I would not be able to handle the gear box noise.
I saw another video. Evidently the gears aren't lubed and you need to do this yourself. Just an FYI
Cool info. That's really helpful information.
I have this exact same motor. I got mine off ebay over 2 years ago it was a open box special I paid $250 for it. I use it in salt water for its whole life, I just rinse with fresh water after each use. I have replaced the shaft seal and gear oil once. I also stepped it up to a 67.2 volt battery over the 48 volt it works perfectly. Plus gave some slightly higher rpm, no overheating issues ever even over 90 degrees out in the direct sun. It is a little noisy for electric but full of torque. I think the motor is a great deal. I run a 32 ah 67.2v lithium battery from my surron e bike
Thanks for sharing your experience mate! I was just about to search for any longevity info I could fine. Cheers!
I was thinking the same thing. It’s a little loud for electric but for the price and durability sounds like a great buy
How long can u run on the 32ah? I have a lifep04 48v 20AH from an E-mini bike project was going to utilize. Will be running 14 ft John.
3-4 hours running mostly wide open
@@organicoceans4459 thank you for the reply
Have you thought about changing the prop and seeing what the impact would be?
the motor sounds stressed
compared to name brands, they are probably running it at max rpm so i doubt it will last as long
The first thing I thought about when I saw it was the heat generated from the oil less electric motor like on an oil less air compressor. I'd definitely take the top off and cut a hole take a fan from a computer install it so it pulls the hot air out and put a louvre over the fan too protect it from the elements
That’s definitely something I need to do!
@@GeorgiaBassmaster it would be easy to wire in since voltage display is right there
Great idea!
Watch the video before you comment, he said there is a fan and you can see the vent slots. A computer fan would never keep that engine cool enough.
@@bruceringrose7539 I did watch it that's why I said what I said. Why you so tense ?
I get 6.2mph on my 12ft semi with a 5hp suzuki gas motor. So the power comparison seems fair
May be I missed something, but you didn't mentioned your battery capacity, power consumption and autonomy range. Without it, your review losing 80% of value.
But speed for 700lb is interesting number
Thank you anyway.
Extremely loud for an electric and seems very underpowered for 5hp
I was thinking the same thing. I'd probably take it apart and find out why it's so loud...that noise sounds like the loss of mechanical energy
It’s a 5hp motor on a loaded down 16ft boat it’s not gonna be a powerhouse
The gears in it is probably just cheap straight cut gears (also probably rough and tight) and would be the cause of all the noise.
Even the high dollar Pete Jackson timing gear drives are loud,because they're straight cut gears.
I'd just stick with a cheaper Minnkota high thrust trolling motor.There you'll have a resource for spare parts if needed...and not to mention a good warranty.
Probably no lube in the gears and other parts. Chinese expect the owners to lube them because they are too cheap to do it themselves.
@@ede7208 Yeah it probably that too,the no oil I think it has more to do with shipping as to the reason they often don't add oil to engines an etc.
Just say each motor uses 1 qt in the shaft.What's a ship carrying 1000 of these engines with a total of a1000 qts of oil weigh if each qt weighs between 1.5-1.7lb? A lot of extra weight they have to pay shipping on,plus the EPA regs if there is any on them coming into the US.
I’m thinking of trying the 60v 10hp version of this. I’m not sure if these emotors are the equivalent of their gas counterparts.
They aren't at all.
@@GeorgiaBassmasterfrom what I’m seeing and talking to the manufacturers it’s best to manage expectations. A good rule of thumb is to take rated hp and half it. Even the Elco 50hp gives 25hp results when factoring power, weight and ability to plane.
5hp is probably over rated, it's probably closer to 2 or maybe 3...the reason it could move that size boat at a decent clip is because electric motors make more torque than a gas engine of higher hp. So the torque gets it moving, HP is what gets it moving at a higher speed. As with anything EV powered, the problem is the batteries. A 5hp gas engine is easily $1500, so a $400 electric sounds good...until you add the price of 4 deep cycle batteries (or even more so, a 48v lithium pack) and then you are back near the cost of a gas engine, but with more weight. Still, it is a bit quieter and when fishing, it can be nice to stop...fish, twist to move to the next spot, fish, twist ect without having to stop/start an engine every time.
Cool. Thanks for sharing. The energy density of gas (and diesel) is crazy high. I'm sure battery technology will improve and there will be some new motor and even boat designs, but gas can't be beat right now.
Not even close unfortunately. And what's more is about 91% (I think) of the energy is actually wasted in a combustion engine. So there's 9 times more power we aren't even using in gas and diesel fuels.
Not true. Price of 12v 100ah lipo4 is 300$. Get 8 and never fill up again.
I would like to know how long it can run on batteries? Obviously it depends on the size of batteries, but let's go with your typical set up. PS. You should add that when you put batteries in series, they should all be the same size capacity batteries and definitely use deep cycle batteries.
Running time is less than half. Remember wherever you go you must return with a little saved for emergencies
Tripled the value of that outfit
5hp input = 3725 watts. 3725 watts / 48 volts = 77 amps draw at full power. Get a shunt and measure it out of curiosity
LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU!!!! Pocahontas jumped on board!!!
Seems pretty noisy for an electric outboard, but at that cost pretty damn cool! Finally the future is here. Nice vidwo. Thanks
It's the only electric (anything) that is louder than gas! For the life of me, I can't imagine how an electric motor can make all that noise.
@@Bob_Adkins I really don't understand the noise. Maybe someone can enlighten us.
I can’t believe it’s the electric motor making that noise. Doesn’t sound like motor noise, but unlubricated gears. Fill the foot with gear oil as it probably shipped empty.
specs of your batteries and the time you can run your set up would be good to know in your follow up review
You will love the longevity of an electric motor and the lack of messy fuels and oils . When you find the right motor for your needs , combine it with a nice lipo battery bank and enjoy the extra range for weight and maybe include a couple hundred watts of solar top up panels and you end up with a pretty functional rig .
Go eat some meatless meat. Tweener
&400 for motor and at least $400 for batteries . I’ll keep my 9.9 2 stroke but cool video.
So I’ve done a bit of research on these. Yes, for the money they will outperform a 24v trolling motor. Is it 5hp equivalent? No, not even close. They are loud, considering it’s electric, and not as efficient as they should be. The market is there for a better option than this, and it won’t be long, considering the dip in price on lipo batteries… there will be substantially better options at a similar price point soon. Wait, and get a better unit. Be patient, electric will catch up.
Mine also eventually crapped out. Idk if this makes sense but it seems like the motor went out of phase with the speed controller. Like when I apply throttle it would move half an inch and lock up.
It was fun while it lasted. Definitely not 5hp. Otherwise it would have been able to just barely plane out my inflatable dinghy. But it wasn't even close.
I can see that for a trolling motor but not a main motor. I get that some lakes dont allow gas motors but you’ll be spending all day getting to your spot instead of fishing.
My electric lake it takes me an hour to get from one side to the other. No gas motors allowed and it’s a $1,500 ticket.
Prop needs to match a boat weight and shape. this thing is louder than my 140hp 4 stroke.
I think that trolling motor would move that boat faster than that 48 volt motor
any updates on how the motor and battery is holding out now that it is 2024?
Yup that motor sounded loud even in the video. You didn't mention those batteries weigh over 200lbs. That's like having Bubba sitting on your transom.
Also, one deep cycle battery is $200. That's $800 on top of the cost of the motor.
Funny how the cost of batteries is never brought up.
@@jonboatmorava9115 Yup, not to mention $800 worth of fuel would run a 5hp motor for 20 average seasons. You would be lucky to get 10 seasons out of the batteries,
then you'd be out buying batteries again.
I use 4 12v 35 amp hour Gel batteries. $45 each and I went 6 hours fishing the Ithaca day with a quarter of the charge used.
How much money in batteries?
Another vid I saw with a similar looking motor (maybe the same) was also loud. He later found out there’s a sealed oil chamber at the bottom by the propeller. They’re not supposed to ship from China (or anywhere) with it filled. This guy didn’t get a manual or directions that mentioned it. You should check and post if you find the chamber & unscrew it.
loved the drone footage
So, when you kill those batteries, can your buddy motor to the gas station for a can of electrons?
did it come with a title or a MCO manufacture certificate of origin? or MSO manufacture statement of origin? In texas we need it for titling purposes.
This next generation of boat motors is going to be a game changer.
The issue with these will be the cheap nylon gears- (hence the noise), and cheap mosfets, you can get lucky and they will last years; however if you try to never run them at full power for long periods you will avoid the mosfets overheating and burning out the controllers. Or you can add cooling of some kind to also extend their lifespan. Having had a decade of learning the shortcomings and strengths of cheap chinese E-technology, I am definitely investing in 2 of these bad boys.
Nylon gears; like Moms 1955 sewing machine?!?
Well to get our SJ 23 down the ally and into the wind I'll take my chances. But I'll look for brass gears in the meantime.
Stop talking about how your boat is “so big”. Some of us have regular sized boats. Some only have dinghy’s. Keep your boat size to yourself. 😆
Hahaha
My gas engine has been running great for 30 years so I don't know what you mean by gas engines always mess up?
You know your sounds like it needs a lower unit oil. Do they use lower unit oil. I haven't watched the whole show yet. You're having the commercial
Ya. They usually ship them dry .
I've never had a problem with a gas powered outboard. Been running one for 25 years.
You might want to check if the noise is related to needing to add some oil.
Thanks for the video..
isnt it just a regular trolling motor tho?
The noise is prolly from the gear fit and finish. Can't expect super well fitting gears for that price ....
EPropulsion Is the Best so Far....You might like to field test one of their units, eh????
How easy is it to find a Prop replacement?
I don't know anything about these motors so if this sounds stupid... Did it ship with or does it use lube in the foot? Could that be the source of the noise? Is the range good enough to run another motor in the same 4 batteries. Twin engines would be cool in a nerdy type way. While you're at it build a jack plate for em. lol
I recognized that ramp immediately.
Looks like they used the exact same leg and lower unit as on a gas outboard (note the exhaust outlet above the prop). I'd wager a fair chunk of the noise comes from the lower unit gears. You don't notice so much with a gas engine because all small gas outboards are really loud, but they do tend to make a bit of gear whine.
That's part of it. I've been messing with these Motors for months now, and did a complete teardown, gear and gasket replacement (after I destroyed my lower unit gears). The main issue with noise is the tolerances with the gears. The standard gaskets are not thick enough between the motor mount and lower unit, and also where the shaft connects right above the bottom gearbox, so when the bolts are torqued down the gears can bind up a bit. Put thicker gaskets and it'll be happier.
Still louder than I want, but runs well with 4-5kw with a 20s lithium battery. Does 11mph in a 15' inflatable kaboat, being quite limited by the prop... Can't find good alternatives with more bite that fit.
@@AdamBrusselback ahh, insufficient gear clearance would do it! I bet it varies a fair bit from motor to motor too.
Re: your propeller issue, I've recently been experimenting with 3D printing outboard props. My Mercury 3.3 has a nylon propeller from factory, so I thought I might be able to print something that is up to the challenge using carbon fibre nylon filament. I printed off a prototype in PLA to test the fit on the shaft last week, and decided to give it a run in a bucket of water to see how well the blades withstood the stress. Didn't go far above idle (water just started sloshing out of the bucket) but up to that point the PLA prop handled it beautifully. CF Nylon is quite a bit more robust than PLA, so I'm hoping that the final product will be good all the way up to full throttle.
I'm designing my props using the Javafoil and Javaprop programs that are free on the web. They're fairly user friendly, Javaprop can take your use case and a list of foil sections and design an 'optimal' propeller blade automatically. Its built in foil options aren't the best for a plastic marine prop, but you can simulate others (I like NACA 16 series foils) in Javafoil and import them.
@@nerd1000ify Well, I typed out a longer reply, but it was eaten in the tubes before it made it to TH-cam I guess. I appreciate the info on the prop software, and I have an mk3s sitting around, so I should really give it a shot. Would be fun to try some different profiles and materials out.
These motors really are pretty terribly made, the metal is cheap and can be bent by hand pretty easily, and the tolerances between the three motors I have are all way different. They all have slightly different motor/controller combos too. If I could get my hands on a good supply of outboard parts, I'd love to design a mount for a nice powerful electric drivetrain on an existing, well tested lower unit....I just cannot seem to find a supply of those types of parts, and not for lack of searching. So that idea is on hold for now.
Great stuff thanks for sharing
Excellent that your biscuit fishes with you.
i bet you have to put gear oil in the bottom end
Funny, top speed 4.6MPH. Meanwhile, I'm fighting to run my Mercury V8 less than 4MPH.
Great motor. $1000 for motor, battery's, wiring to 4.5 mph! I'm sold
So am I, lots of small elec only waters here.
So how long does a charge last? I'd be worried about not having enough juice to get back to the dock!
I wonder if they could make this with duel props for quicker take offs . I seen pontoon boats with a electric trolling motor up front with two props for steering. One on each side of the pontoons.
I did see a YT video of DUAL e-outboards on a cruising sail boat (35-40 foot). It may be a few years before counter rotating matched motors ard available.
Dope little motor bro curious to see how it hold up if it does good I may purchase one for my little boat
I took the risk two years ago. Same thing no reviews in English, however I don’t regret buying the motor. Faster then my minn Kota and great for electric lakes
Better be careful she is taking advantage of you filming lol best of luck to yall! Great video
Does it have reverse?
less amperage draw with 48 volts then 24 volts, so you could get by with a little smaller wire in theory
What y'all doing what like 4 miles an hour that actually would be the perfect trolling speed so that'd be a ideal trolling motor it's cool ass little motor
0ne horsepower = 735 watt，this outboard 1200 watt？！😓
They have 48 volt lithium batteries on eBay that would definitely make that boat go faster and they keep getting cheaper.
Hate to say it but with all that noise I have to wonder how long it will last.
Thanks for the review. That noise would drive me crazy. Someone else commented that it might be from a gearbox, and it sounds to me like it might be gearbox noise. Expensive direct-drive motors like the epropulsion spirit 1.0 are much quieter. However, the epropulsion motor costs like $1500.
I'm looking for a motor that's in a fixed position for my 22-foot sailboat. I'll steer with my rudder. I am looking for a motor that's quiet with a removable battery. I considered these Hangkai models, but after your review, I think I'll keep looking to find a quieter motor.
Thanks for the video, learned a lot, order mine soon.
That is quite neat how it’s a gas outboard converted to electric. The leg/lower unit at least. Probably the cowling/engine compartment too. I’m thinking the volt meter on top is replacing the OEM hole for the fuel tank stopper on the gas version of this. Anyone else notice the exhaust ports above the prop within the cavitation plate? I have a 2hp 2-stroke with similar exhaust location.
$400 worth of batteries as well
That noise would drive me absolutely insane.
A little more motor and a little less selfie would be helpful.
Gotta get that screen time😂😂
Time to order some Ebike battery for this.
Any way to check rpm vs max rpm? Prop sounds like it could use some adjustments.
Do those motors have a lube in lower unit? Also is there clearance under the cowling to put some sound-deadening material still remain clear of the fan and vents?
F* speculative temps tests, they dont mean shit. take your laser thermo, go max @ 48v, measure batt, drive, yadda. also measure duration at full throttle, this is the only position you should be interested in measuring temps from. change to 24v. measure duration vs speed. plz have your MaxHullVelocity computation quotable and stated. do you Hump speed calc. then youll understand the speed ranges you are working with. then, but a performance prop, and blow everyone else out of the water! but you cannot get there, without doing those calcs, then buying the appropriate new Propeller. FYI
I have 5 Hp Hangkai on an 18’ Jon boat with front and read decks and aluminum floor carrying 5 batteries and a Foot control on the front and it will fun 4.6mph consistently
My 19 foot square stern canoe can take up to 6.5 horse motors. This thing would be unbelievable. Only issue is too many batteries.
Everyone comparing to gas CLEARLY missed where you said "electric only lakes". And clearly have never been a member. Just moved back to the SouthEast from Colorado and you got me fired up to join another club. Great video, ignore the haters, and 99% of us cant wait for the update. Have a great day!
That’s what I’m saying I would of bought a 5-10 horse gas any day over this but that’s not an option 😂
Carroll county! We’re neighbors. Is that Fairfield? Probably not, looks too muddy, possibly lake buckhorn? Just curious where that is.
Some simple math, power in watts equals volts times amps, and 746 watts is equal to 1 hp. So if you plug in the specs and do the math you have about a 1.5 hp motor, which is why it will get blown away by a genuine 5 hp motor. And from the sound of that motor it either lacks lubricant in the drive-train gears, or it's going to burn out in short order. It sounds real bad for an electric trolling motor, coarse, out of spec, metal on metal chewing bad. Best of luck, but you might want to take all the covers off and see what that noise is before it seizes up.
Small gage wires for 48 volts