@@Picklezaregood Thanks! I’m actually gonna be making an announcement regarding that 10K thing.. been thinking of giving away one of my earlier Razor builds. Or do you have any suggestions?
I did a similar thing. I own this same outboard except I used my surron battery. Its 67.2 volts full and runs this hangkai outboard motor perfect for over 4 hours. No over heating. I use it in salt water only for the dinghy on the back of my sailboat. (I just rinse after every use) Had it for 4 years now and still works great. Only had to replace prop shaf seal after first year, then I used 90wt oil. Little noise for electric but I love it
My first thought was that a motor that cheap from a Chinese producer is going to corrode rapidly in salt water...interesting to know you've had good results. I guess thorough flushing every time is critical - and long-term storage somewhere as dry as possible.
Did you remember to put gear oil in the lower unit ? All the hankai motors I have bought in the past have came with no gear oil for transport ?. Even though it's electric it still has a geared lower end unlike the little trolling motors you used at the start of the video. Hope this helps.
I built my own electric outboard, i put a 72v 3000w brushless motor on a renovated rigg from a 8hp Gasoline motor and paired it with a propeller from a 3,5hp. Worked amazing. But to expensive of a build whit batteries and all..
@@maximilianswansson1264 yeah.. This whole channel is actually based off building electric mini bikes, my Razor having 72V 17kW.. but it cost me 2 arms and 2 legs 😂. I currently have this outboard apart and retrofitting a 3000w MY1020 motor, but still fabricating the adapter plate
The "A" setting is supposed to be the regen setting to use on sailboats to recharge the battery. It's hard to know if it's active on this specific model. But you can test it by measuring the terminals that go to the battery while towing the boat in the water.
Picked up the 43.3 inch long shaft version, to try instead of using underpowered trolling motor for getting sailboat in and out of slip with more control. For some reason long shaft version was even cheaper. Taken it out 6 times and so far, blown away with performance. With your background in 48v bikes, you should def follow up with a tear down video. I feel like there would be a lot of interest, “you get what you pay for “ and “if it seems too good to true” will start catching up to owners of these. But replacement parts on the internet also look to be really affordable. But thanks for this one. It nudged me into taking the original plunge
At 6 mph you are pushing hull speed for a 12 foot boat. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_speed Slow down a 1/2 mph and you will probably cut the current draw in half! The only way you will go significantly faster is if you get a motor that is big enough to get your boat to plane. With two of you in the boat this would probably require quit a bit more power -- probably an 8 hp (gas) motor.
If I had to guess, this is just ebike stuff shoved into an outboard format. Would probably sell direct from China for like $100 or so. Really smart actually. Repurposing already highly available and cheap parts to make something new and useful.
Thanks; one thing you didnt get to was if it is really 5 HP - so an actual comparision to a fuel 5 HP would be pretty useful for people deciding on the pros and cons of going electric vs gasoline or diesel in a small boating craft. Obviously range and speed are both of big importantce - and cost.
@@litestuffllc7249 it’s not, I mentioned 1200 watts is less than 2 HP (more like 1.6-1.7.) But it is very efficient considering the power rating and price range. It’s all really about what the main use case would be. I have a cheaper 2-stroke that’s faster m, but way too loud for fishing (which is my main use)
It looked great and pushed that big heavy boat at such a fast speed. For normal use you'd only want to go at about half that speed (2mph) at the most so the battery would last much longer. I suspect that the other position on the ignition switch is for accessories.
I wouldn't worry about horse power... I'd worry about whether it works well enough, for how much it costs, and how long it lasts (as well as how easy it is to get replacement parts/repair). If it works well, is somewhat durable, and you can order parts online, then it could be an option to consider, for some situations. I'm guessing a cheap used gas outboard might be a better long term value (parts availability, longevity, etc). Of course, some places are electric only.
Sounds like you need to add oil to the lower gear case - from what I have seen they do not ship them with oil in the lower gearbox - it sounds very noisy
Nice video, look into the lithium iron phosphate batteries. I have a 48 volt cake battery 20ah 2000 watt on my DIY scooter and get 100 miles on the throttle per charge. great power and range with these new batteries.
Due to the higher efficiency and flat torque curve of an electric outboard the standard calculations do not apply. Toorqedo has a detailed explanation on their website. They assume, that a 2000W electric has the same pushing power as a 5hp gas outboard. So this 1200W would be comparable to a 3-3,5hp gas outboard. Fits with the numbers in the video....
I was thinking in my head that a electric motor could handle a steeper pitched prop because of the torque. It would be a fair bit stronger than the equilivant petrol motor in hp or kw mesurment. Rctestflight recently did a rc boat propeller efficiency test. It shows you can gain heaps from just changing the propeller on a boat.
At 7 minutes 13 you say you wish the stem was a little tighter, your hand is about 6 inches from the friction knob, on the stem. Careful if it's anything like the little merc if you leave it loose it will vibrate and fall out.
You're lucky you didn't hit that log when in reverse. That's the good thing about small motors not having reverse... one just swings the motor 180° to reverse it. Also, the motor doesn't have a 'kill lanyard', most neccessary on a small hand-operated boat. You should always hold on to the steering arm with the lanyard connected to your wrist. You would be amazed at how quickly the boat could capsize if you let go of the arm even for a second or two. Things in the boat (including occupants) will immediately shift and change the center of gravity. If you do capsize the motor may still be running (no lanyard) although the battery will be now hanging down in the water because you didn't secure it on the seat with a strap or such. And be wary of where you go... the prop may get entangled with weeds (low power) and old fishing line. Is the motor supplied with a spare prop in case the one installed breaks or falls off? Happy boating. And don't forget your life jackets.
G’day mate, any motor will under-perform with the massive drag from a flat bottom punt. Try someone’s V-nose v-bottom tinnie of the same size. It’ll GO.
I saw another video of one of these hangkai gas motors and buddy read in the instructions to fill the gears with oil behind the prop it was totally dry. not sure if yours is the same but worth a look if you haven't
I got the same motor for my 18 ft Lund. The shaft is to short for my transom, (most of the prop is above the bottom of the hull), but it still got the boat up to 4 MPH with 48v 100ah LiFePO battery. Got the long shaft version coming to replace the short shaft to see if it does any better. The prop is made of Nylon but you can get Aluminum replacement, same prop but says it's for 3.5 hp electric. How do you put oil in the gear box? Mine has the bump on the housing, but it was never drilled out to drain or fill the gear case.
It seems pretty loud for an electric motor. But not as much performance as I would have guessed over the 12v troller... I would be curious to see what a 48v trolling motor like the bass boat guys use.
Thanks. It certainly performs well. No kill switch? ….yikes. What about the temperature sensor cable to the battery? I suspect there is a lot of plain / painted steel, perhaps not useful for use on the sea, or not being stored dry. One aspect of an electric over gas is that they make high torque at low revs, so the power output is not so much linked to revs. This means if you could fit a big high thrust propeller for better low speed performance with a bigger / heavier boat
Definitely a slimmed down outboard with little safety features, hence the price point. A kill switch would have been nice. No temp sensor, though the battery I’m using now (not on this video) has a smart BMS (battery management system) that cuts off power if the temps or amp draw fall outside the safe range for the battery.
Hi pat!!! Just wanted to clarify: you got approx 3 miles on the 51v 16AH battery? I'm having a hard time finding a battery on my budget. Thanks in advance
Cool informative video my friends. Looks like good clean fun. But as Americans we should not be buying so much chinesium! I am surprised how loud it is.
Who cares if it's actually 5HP, it got your boat going 6 mph all the way across a big lake. One suggestion - either slow down to 5 mph (50 percent more range?), or bring along an extra "get home" battery about half the size of the one in your vid. Then you could gun it until batt 1 dies, then use batt 2 to limp home at 4 or 5 mph. I'd build a battery box to keep water off that stuff, too.
I don't care honestly. It's just mislabeled is all, overall I'm pretty happy with the performance. Also I just got a 100AH LiP04 Deep Cycle battery for this thing and the range is now insane.. About to post an update actually.
@@HUJUism hmm I actually ran this for a short period with a 72V lithium pack and was able to reach 8 MPH but the controller overheated. I’m looking at controller upgrade and better cooling solutions
I"m looking at the batteries for this thing. The motor may be cheap, but the batteries are very high priced. Not sure if it's worth the money to have this set up.
Seems louder and less powerful than a 2.5-5 4 stroke. I'm guessing some of that is the mic, but I've also been on plenty of gas boats where you kinda forget the motor is even running because they're so quiet. Maybe some lube in the gear case will improve that, but so far this seems like a heavier, louder, and more expensive option to low power outboards.
It maybe 5hp equivalent, They do say eletric drives are 2-2.5x a diesel or gas power equivalent So 2.5x1.6 could be considered like a 4hp gas "potentially" power wise. I dont know how much i really believed that though, just somthing iv read
I have a pair of the 2200W version (marketed as "8HP" 🙄👌) pushing my 21' pontoon. Can't get up faster than about 5mph but I have a suspicion a lot of that is the shallow-angle props that come with these. I wonder if you have thoughts about how to find more aggressively tuned propellers for these?
Well pontoons naturally have more drag, but I think they mislabel these electric motors. Because 2200 watts is more like 3 HP.. also do you know what amp rating the controllers are on yours? Just gotta make sure your battery is enough to supply enough amps to both motors
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 when I worked at a Ford dealership we had to replace the intakes and exhaust on Cobra mustangs because they didn't achieve the advertised HP cost Ford a ton of money. So I'm guessing advertised HP matters.
I'll have to compare those to my expensive Torqeedo travel 1003. I've never heard of a place that would rent just a motor. I've flown my inflatable boat for free on Southwest airlines as luggage with the full sail rig. A trolling motor would have really helped, but I didn't think they could be rented anywhere. It's usually boats rented, and not motors only. No battery box on the rental?
@@PatOutdoors Won't work on my inflatable. There are no sides. When I used my trolling motor it was strapped at the back of the boat on the wooden motor mount. I use a Torqeedo Travel 1003s now, but I can't take that on an airplane.
Hmm just checked the ignition cylinder and there’s nothing on the back side for a second post. Someone else commented that it’s supposed to just keep your key from falling out
I wish they would give up those "hp equivalent" and simply state voltage and continuous power. (not peak!) It would be much easier to make decisions...
Given the size of the boat and the speed and the stern vawe, this seems to equal more than 2 hp, but less than 5. Maybe 3,5? (I know my math teacher wouldn`t agree, but anyway)
@@markyygamer2073 me (180), my wife (170), fishing gear (10), motor (15), lithium battery (5), cooler full of beers (20), 14 foot Jon boat (150).. so probably about 550 lbs altogether
i have seen these exact same casings used in 5hp gasoline motors from the same company. i bet the y used the same base for the motor but slapped an electric motor on it and didn't bother to remove the stickers. thats how most of chinese stuff is made anyway😅 interesting video.
how many amp hours is that battery rated for at the beginning? The only reason I could see the battery lasting only an hour, is that they don't actually recharge them. I use batteries in the range of 90 amp hours to 120 amp hours.. and I could go over 8 hours sith the 90 on a 28lbs thrust motor.... and now I typically get 10 hours of continuous use with my 55lbs thrust minn kota on my 14ft jon boat. There's no way that park is taking vare of those batteries... and they probably pnly throw them on the charger for 20 minutes. So bad!
The problem is that they are lying about the HP. That unit is only about 1.61 HP. 1 HP is 745.699872 watts. 5 HP is 3728.49936 watts and NO do not try the scam saying that electric is equivalent to 5 HP. HP is HP. The torque range is different but not HP.
Uh... 1200 watts / 746 = 1.6 HP. Still, you can do a lot with that amount of power, when you are not bucking a lot of wind or current, and also 1.6 HP worth of electric motor is actually more versatile and flexible than the same horsepower in an internal combustion engine. The power curve is flatter and wider, mainly. You have much more low end torque. And there is an almost bottomless minimum idle speed. No warmup is needed. The role of reduction gearsis not as important. You simply have to have the correct RPM range and prop diameter, blade count, and pitch, to make the prop turn efficiently at the chosen power consumption level, without cavitation. But no matter how you slice it and dice it, or massage the data, this can never give anything close to a sustained 5hp power output to the prop shaft. Ain't gonna happen. The good news is you might not need 5HP. Ratings of electric motors, especially Chinese made traction motors, are misleading, too. A motor might be rated for x watts at y duration. For instance, 5kw for 120 seconds, but if you try to run that same motor at 5kw for 5 or 10 minutes it might either overheat trip to save the motor, or simply have a big-ass meltdown. Cotrollers are rated similarly, especially Chinese made. You are more interested in SUSTAINED power. You don't want to motor your boat for a minute or two minutes and then stop to let it cool for 30 minutes. You want to go from point A to point B nonstop. So always take the ratings of Chinese made motors with a grain of salt. Remember, these ratings were assigned by the sane company making and selling them. Chinese manufacturers are also notorious for using wire that is too small, resulting in lots of line losses as the resistance of the wire causes the high current required by low voltage DC operation, to be converted to heat, reducing available power. Even the wire in the motor makes a difference, and too-small wire wll cause problems. Motor power ratings are rated by input power, naturally. If you have a kw of power going in but are losing 75w through heating of the coils, and more from cheap bearings or poor alighment or in this case a poorly optimized prop, the net effect might be much less than the HP figure found by dividing electrical input watts by 746. Plain and simple. You get what you pay for. You are paying for shoddy materials, "good enough" quality control, and unskilled, underpaid, undereducated, labor. The basic engineering can be sound and the final product still be a POS. If a POS is acceptable and the price of a Torqueedo is not, then the Chinese OB is the obvious choice. But make sure you are able to sail or paddle home. Don't forget your battery makes a difference in your range, as well as your power setting. For about $1200 you could get a 5kw Motenergy BLDC/PMAC motor and a Chinese Kelly controller, and make a fairly nice electric outboard based on the carcass of a dead gasoline outboard in the 6hp to 9.9hp range. Add eight 6v GC-2 size golf cart batteries in series with the requisite cabling, fusies, and meters, and you have a pretty nice propulsion setup that will push a small boat quite nicely.
Im sure it is much better than than the other electric motor just because its brushless... but 5hp equivalent at 6 miles an hour haha i think not, most gas 5HP will easily double that.
It's not 5HP because it's only 1200W. That's 1.63HP Your title is misleading. You test the against the speed equivalent of a gasoline 5HP engine. Thanks for the test though
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Great video pat! looks fun And just realised you hit 10K😁
@@Picklezaregood Thanks! I’m actually gonna be making an announcement regarding that 10K thing.. been thinking of giving away one of my earlier Razor builds. Or do you have any suggestions?
@@PatOutdoors Yea a giveaway sounds great for 10K and congrats🥳🥳Hope i can win that giveaway🤣
Yo I gotta see 2 of those motors full power at the same time on a small boat haha do it bro
I did a similar thing. I own this same outboard except I used my surron battery. Its 67.2 volts full and runs this hangkai outboard motor perfect for over 4 hours. No over heating. I use it in salt water only for the dinghy on the back of my sailboat. (I just rinse after every use) Had it for 4 years now and still works great. Only had to replace prop shaf seal after first year, then I used 90wt oil. Little noise for electric but I love it
Wait what! I what controller are you using? The original 25A 48v controller?
@@PatOutdoors yes stock controller runs 67v no issue's I want to tey 84 next
My first thought was that a motor that cheap from a Chinese producer is going to corrode rapidly in salt water...interesting to know you've had good results. I guess thorough flushing every time is critical - and long-term storage somewhere as dry as possible.
@@organicoceans4459 THAT motor wasn’t available four years ago …
The "A" setting is a power off position that locks the key in the lock so it does not fall out.
@@helicrashpro Thanks for clarifying!
That's a very nice feature.
Please do a long term test video of the motor. Interesting to know how many hours it will last
Did you remember to put gear oil in the lower unit ? All the hankai motors I have bought in the past have came with no gear oil for transport ?. Even though it's electric it still has a geared lower end unlike the little trolling motors you used at the start of the video. Hope this helps.
Exactly my thoughts.
*have COME
Not the electric one! I just pulled the prop off and opened up the lower unit and it’s fully filled with gear oil.
I built my own electric outboard, i put a 72v 3000w brushless motor on a renovated rigg from a 8hp
Gasoline motor and paired it with a propeller from a 3,5hp.
Worked amazing. But to expensive of a build whit batteries and all..
@@maximilianswansson1264 yeah.. This whole channel is actually based off building electric mini bikes, my Razor having 72V 17kW.. but it cost me 2 arms and 2 legs 😂. I currently have this outboard apart and retrofitting a 3000w MY1020 motor, but still fabricating the adapter plate
The "A" setting is supposed to be the regen setting to use on sailboats to recharge the battery.
It's hard to know if it's active on this specific model.
But you can test it by measuring the terminals that go to the battery while towing the boat in the water.
That's why I love 48v. Just so many uses for those batteries.
Picked up the 43.3 inch long shaft version, to try instead of using underpowered trolling motor for getting sailboat in and out of slip with more control. For some reason long shaft version was even cheaper. Taken it out 6 times and so far, blown away with performance. With your background in 48v bikes, you should def follow up with a tear down video. I feel like there would be a lot of interest, “you get what you pay for “ and “if it seems too good to true” will start catching up to owners of these. But replacement parts on the internet also look to be really affordable. But thanks for this one. It nudged me into taking the original plunge
@@SaltwaterChicken already started filming the tear down a few days ago. Waiting for my custom motor adapter to come in to continue
5.0 is probably the model number. I' might look into this. I have 55 lb thrust Minn Kota now.
Great video.
I used a 45 lb thrust Minn Kota on my 12 foot canoe. It moved like a torpedo.
At 6 mph you are pushing hull speed for a 12 foot boat. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_speed
Slow down a 1/2 mph and you will probably cut the current draw in half! The only way you will go significantly faster is if you get a motor that is big enough to get your boat to plane. With two of you in the boat this would probably require quit a bit more power -- probably an 8 hp (gas) motor.
If I had to guess, this is just ebike stuff shoved into an outboard format. Would probably sell direct from China for like $100 or so. Really smart actually. Repurposing already highly available and cheap parts to make something new and useful.
i have been thinking about getting two of these for my boat and doing duel outboards
Thanks; one thing you didnt get to was if it is really 5 HP - so an actual comparision to a fuel 5 HP would be pretty useful for people deciding on the pros and cons of going electric vs gasoline or diesel in a small boating craft. Obviously range and speed are both of big importantce - and cost.
@@litestuffllc7249 it’s not, I mentioned 1200 watts is less than 2 HP (more like 1.6-1.7.) But it is very efficient considering the power rating and price range. It’s all really about what the main use case would be. I have a cheaper 2-stroke that’s faster m, but way too loud for fishing (which is my main use)
Oh great! A cruise control and no frikin’ kill switch. Good thinking!
@@sylvaingagnon3211 valid point
im impressed by the amount of electric "stuff" you get for the price, it seems like it would cost more to make one
That’s China for you 😂
People in China only earn a few bucks per hour, so it's impossible for American companies to compete.
It looked great and pushed that big heavy boat at such a fast speed. For normal use you'd only want to go at about half that speed (2mph) at the most so the battery would last much longer. I suspect that the other position on the ignition switch is for accessories.
I wouldn't worry about horse power... I'd worry about whether it works well enough, for how much it costs, and how long it lasts (as well as how easy it is to get replacement parts/repair).
If it works well, is somewhat durable, and you can order parts online, then it could be an option to consider, for some situations.
I'm guessing a cheap used gas outboard might be a better long term value (parts availability, longevity, etc). Of course, some places are electric only.
Sounds like you need to add oil to the lower gear case - from what I have seen they do not ship them with oil in the lower gearbox - it sounds very noisy
Absolutely correct. I had to replace internals after 2 trips. Drill and tap drain and fill ports while you're there.
Not the electric one! I just pulled the prop off and opened up the lower unit and it’s fully filled with gear oil.
This type motor could be a game changer, kayak motors are so expensive
Nice video, look into the lithium iron phosphate batteries. I have a 48 volt cake battery 20ah 2000 watt on my DIY scooter and get 100 miles on the throttle per charge. great power and range with these new batteries.
I actually just got a LiP0 48V 100AH battery today! Thinking it would be 6 times the range..
I have 6 hp gas. I think they are very close.
Congratulations on 10k Patt!!!! 🎉
Thank you so much!
Due to the higher efficiency and flat torque curve of an electric outboard the standard calculations do not apply. Toorqedo has a detailed explanation on their website.
They assume, that a 2000W electric has the same pushing power as a 5hp gas outboard. So this 1200W would be comparable to a 3-3,5hp gas outboard. Fits with the numbers in the video....
I was thinking in my head that a electric motor could handle a steeper pitched prop because of the torque. It would be a fair bit stronger than the equilivant petrol motor in hp or kw mesurment.
Rctestflight recently did a rc boat propeller efficiency test. It shows you can gain heaps from just changing the propeller on a boat.
I tried different engines (ICE, electric), the speed depends only on the power and pitch of the propeller
One hp is equivalent to 746 watts, so no. I'm guessing you would be lucky to get the 1.6hp.
Correct, debunked it. I said this in the video, pushes decent speed for being less than 2 HP though
Chinese horses tho
@@tonyp9179 😂
@@PatOutdoors have you looked at the APC 10x8 or other prop upgrades? You could probably get another mph or 2 with one
Correct, 1hp is approximately 3/4 of a killowattt.
At 7 minutes 13 you say you wish the stem was a little tighter, your hand is about 6 inches from the friction knob, on the stem. Careful if it's anything like the little merc if you leave it loose it will vibrate and fall out.
informative.. thumbs up. Motor did sound real loud for electric.
You're lucky you didn't hit that log when in reverse. That's the good thing about small motors not having reverse... one just swings the motor 180° to reverse it. Also, the motor doesn't have a 'kill lanyard', most neccessary on a small hand-operated boat. You should always hold on to the steering arm with the lanyard connected to your wrist. You would be amazed at how quickly the boat could capsize if you let go of the arm even for a second or two. Things in the boat (including occupants) will immediately shift and change the center of gravity. If you do capsize the motor may still be running (no lanyard) although the battery will be now hanging down in the water because you didn't secure it on the seat with a strap or such. And be wary of where you go... the prop may get entangled with weeds (low power) and old fishing line. Is the motor supplied with a spare prop in case the one installed breaks or falls off?
Happy boating.
And don't forget your life jackets.
G’day mate, any motor will under-perform with the massive drag from a flat bottom punt. Try someone’s V-nose v-bottom tinnie of the same size. It’ll GO.
I’ll give it a go!
I saw another video of one of these hangkai gas motors and buddy read in the instructions to fill the gears with oil behind the prop it was totally dry. not sure if yours is the same but worth a look if you haven't
This one came prefilled, actually leaked out a bit during shipping. But I’ll look over it, thanks
Just confirmed! I just pulled the prop off and opened up the lower unit and it’s fully filled with gear oil.
Looks good! Thanks for posting this video.
Be curious to see the comparison with the Honda 2.3 gas outboard.
I got the same motor for my 18 ft Lund. The shaft is to short for my transom, (most of the prop is above the bottom of the hull), but it still got the boat up to 4 MPH with 48v 100ah LiFePO battery. Got the long shaft version coming to replace the short shaft to see if it does any better. The prop is made of Nylon but you can get Aluminum replacement, same prop but says it's for 3.5 hp electric. How do you put oil in the gear box? Mine has the bump on the housing, but it was never drilled out to drain or fill the gear case.
The numbers aren't all I'm questioning about that label... they completely forgot to add the "Rrofuction Date" and the "Seriad No."
😂
Excellent review!
Wow top of the line plastic prop good luck with that 5hp motor..😂
That would be perfect for a sailboat.
Wow! 16Ah got you further than 3 miles......that's really impressive
Sometimes they arrive with no gear oil in the gearbox. It may be worth checking and would quieten it down a bit
It seems pretty loud for an electric motor. But not as much performance as I would have guessed over the 12v troller... I would be curious to see what a 48v trolling motor like the bass boat guys use.
Not much performance? You would never get a wake like that on 12v trolling motor set up on a jon boat w/ 2 ppl. Lol
Thanks.
It certainly performs well.
No kill switch? ….yikes.
What about the temperature sensor cable to the battery?
I suspect there is a lot of plain / painted steel, perhaps not useful for use on the sea, or not being stored dry.
One aspect of an electric over gas is that they make high torque at low revs, so the power output is not so much linked to revs. This means if you could fit a big high thrust propeller for better low speed performance with a bigger / heavier boat
Definitely a slimmed down outboard with little safety features, hence the price point. A kill switch would have been nice. No temp sensor, though the battery I’m using now (not on this video) has a smart BMS (battery management system) that cuts off power if the temps or amp draw fall outside the safe range for the battery.
Hi pat!!! Just wanted to clarify: you got approx 3 miles on the 51v 16AH battery? I'm having a hard time finding a battery on my budget. Thanks in advance
Cool informative video my friends. Looks like good clean fun. But as Americans we should not be buying so much chinesium! I am surprised how loud it is.
You forget to put gear oil in as they come without it
Not the electric one! I just pulled the prop off and opened up the lower unit and it’s fully filled with gear oil.
Would be cool to use on my Nucanoe Frontier 12. Would be good to know what kind of run time I'd get on that kayak.
Probably a lot more than a Jon boat with two people.. now you got me tempted to mount this on my 10’ angler kayak..
5hp is about 3700W , if its 1200W, its not 5hp. Its the same with other chinese stuff, they just put random numbers on it.
Hey I had a question. Sorry if I missed this in the video but how much voltage was in ur current battery? And was that included?
Who cares if it's actually 5HP, it got your boat going 6 mph all the way across a big lake. One suggestion - either slow down to 5 mph (50 percent more range?), or bring along an extra "get home" battery about half the size of the one in your vid. Then you could gun it until batt 1 dies, then use batt 2 to limp home at 4 or 5 mph. I'd build a battery box to keep water off that stuff, too.
I don't care honestly. It's just mislabeled is all, overall I'm pretty happy with the performance. Also I just got a 100AH LiP04 Deep Cycle battery for this thing and the range is now insane.. About to post an update actually.
You should try a DC to DC booster if you want faster speeds. They have 1500 and 1800 watt booster cheap.
@@HUJUism hmm I actually ran this for a short period with a 72V lithium pack and was able to reach 8 MPH but the controller overheated. I’m looking at controller upgrade and better cooling solutions
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1200 Watts is about 1.5 horsepower. The thumbnail tells us the answer to the video title.
@@RWBHere yes, this point was made in the video.. Manufacturer mislabeled the product.
Where can I buy the battery thanks?
Very Good Job. Life is very short, enjoy while you can. God Blessed.
I"m looking at the batteries for this thing. The motor may be cheap, but the batteries are very high priced. Not sure if it's worth the money to have this set up.
Seems louder and less powerful than a 2.5-5 4 stroke. I'm guessing some of that is the mic, but I've also been on plenty of gas boats where you kinda forget the motor is even running because they're so quiet. Maybe some lube in the gear case will improve that, but so far this seems like a heavier, louder, and more expensive option to low power outboards.
definitely less heavy and WAY less expensive then the quiet (honda/tohatsu (mercury)) outboards, like 1/10th the price!!!
I think the discrepancy in rating is due to effective or comparative useful output. My guess.
It maybe 5hp equivalent,
They do say eletric drives are 2-2.5x a diesel or gas power equivalent
So 2.5x1.6 could be considered like a 4hp gas "potentially" power wise.
I dont know how much i really believed that though, just somthing iv read
5hp = 3730Watt.
12v 311 amperes.
my 12v 42lb trolling motor is rated at 500Watt.
Yes.. debunked in the video. I said it wasn’t even 2 HP.
So interesting and fun video
I have a pair of the 2200W version (marketed as "8HP" 🙄👌) pushing my 21' pontoon. Can't get up faster than about 5mph but I have a suspicion a lot of that is the shallow-angle props that come with these. I wonder if you have thoughts about how to find more aggressively tuned propellers for these?
Well pontoons naturally have more drag, but I think they mislabel these electric motors. Because 2200 watts is more like 3 HP.. also do you know what amp rating the controllers are on yours? Just gotta make sure your battery is enough to supply enough amps to both motors
@@PatOutdoors yeah, 45A max draw. I have 4 24V batteries (2S 2P) so that's not an issue.
You are closing in on what might be the hull speed, so a more agressive prop might not do anything for you, and can potentially even slow you down.
My Bafang 52v 1000 W ebike is on 2000 miles,I can imagine the dependability coming..
Did you put gear oil in the transmision just after the propeller ?
Normaly they dont come with lube in it
It came prefilled, actually seeped out a bit from shipping
Not the electric one! I just pulled the prop off and opened up the lower unit and it’s fully filled with gear oil.
Have you encountered water weeds with this motor? If so, how well did it “chew” through them, or get readily fouled?
Cut right through the weeds. I swapped to an aluminum prop recently though, just for peace of mind
@@PatOutdoors Thanks for responding to my question! Where did you find the right sized prop for this particular motor? Another Amazon item?
@@PatOutdoors Where did you get the alu prop from? size please?
The Ole' British Seagull made for the D-day invasion craft's. Later they where labeled anywhere 2 hp.to 10hp. All had 2hp.
If you could ever start the damned things !
My electric Torqueedo outboard motor is silent underway
How much did it cost?
To calculate electric HP it's volts divided by 0.105 times amps divided by 0.0035 divided by 700
HP is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is how well it works, how long it lasts, and how easy it is to repair. Maybe safety issues, as well.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 when I worked at a Ford dealership we had to replace the intakes and exhaust on Cobra mustangs because they didn't achieve the advertised HP cost Ford a ton of money. So I'm guessing advertised HP matters.
How is noise compared to a quality 2 stroke gas? seems kind of noisy
Why it so loud?
I'll have to compare those to my expensive Torqeedo travel 1003.
I've never heard of a place that would rent just a motor. I've flown my inflatable boat for free on Southwest airlines as luggage with the full sail rig. A trolling motor would have really helped, but I didn't think they could be rented anywhere. It's usually boats rented, and not motors only.
No battery box on the rental?
@@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 no battery box!
@@PatOutdoors Won't work on my inflatable. There are no sides. When I used my trolling motor it was strapped at the back of the boat on the wooden motor mount. I use a Torqeedo Travel 1003s now, but I can't take that on an airplane.
How expensive is a battery that would give you decent range, say 10 miles?
Imma put that Motor on my kayak and make it a speed demon 😈
@@Isaiah-r6b do it!
Does the back of the key have an extra post? Maybe an auxiliary battey?
Hmm just checked the ignition cylinder and there’s nothing on the back side for a second post. Someone else commented that it’s supposed to just keep your key from falling out
I think the 52v is just a 48v, just fullg charged, so not overvolting
@@MisterPikol it’s 58 volts fully charged. 48V battery fully charged is usually 53-54 volts.
All you need to do now. Is get 2 more batteries for backup
if it is 1200W it is not 5HP. A standard horsepower (if memory serves) is 760W
I wish they would give up those "hp equivalent" and simply state voltage and continuous power. (not peak!) It would be much easier to make decisions...
Given the size of the boat and the speed and the stern vawe, this seems to equal more than 2 hp, but less than 5. Maybe 3,5? (I know my math teacher wouldn`t agree, but anyway)
does it need to be cooled?
no deadman switch I don't think it would be legal in florida
It seemed too noisy to me. I have a homemade one, 600 V, on a self-designed catamaran, it reaches 10 km/h. There is a video on the channel.
Even if it only survives 5 fishing trips. You already got your moneys worth compared to renting a motor
How much total weight do you think was on the boat? And whats the boat weigh?
@@markyygamer2073 me (180), my wife (170), fishing gear (10), motor (15), lithium battery (5), cooler full of beers (20), 14 foot Jon boat (150).. so probably about 550 lbs altogether
Thank you for the quick response. As I'm researching for a new outboard for the Jon
Good cheap, fun. 😊
i have seen these exact same casings used in 5hp gasoline motors from the same company. i bet the y used the same base for the motor but slapped an electric motor on it and didn't bother to remove the stickers. thats how most of chinese stuff is made anyway😅
interesting video.
I bet you are absolutely right..
What are the amps?
Change the propeller to higher angle
TTBOMK a trolling motor is named for what its purpose is not getting to and from the spot(s)
@@DontCryAboutIt this is very true.
how many amp hours is that battery rated for at the beginning? The only reason I could see the battery lasting only an hour, is that they don't actually recharge them. I use batteries in the range of 90 amp hours to 120 amp hours.. and I could go over 8 hours sith the 90 on a 28lbs thrust motor.... and now I typically get 10 hours of continuous use with my 55lbs thrust minn kota on my 14ft jon boat. There's no way that park is taking vare of those batteries... and they probably pnly throw them on the charger for 20 minutes. So bad!
I think the teenagers that operate the rental equipment simply don’t care enough to make sure they’re properly charged.
@@PatOutdoors I bet... I'm sure they look at the charger... see 60 percent, and are like.... "yeah, it's fine"
Will it pull a water skier?🙄😬😳👍
@@rickbullock4331 LMAO no
supe it up!!!!
The problem is that they are lying about the HP. That unit is only about 1.61 HP. 1 HP is 745.699872 watts. 5 HP is 3728.49936 watts and NO do not try the scam saying that electric is equivalent to 5 HP. HP is HP. The torque range is different but not HP.
Uh... 1200 watts / 746 = 1.6 HP. Still, you can do a lot with that amount of power, when you are not bucking a lot of wind or current, and also 1.6 HP worth of electric motor is actually more versatile and flexible than the same horsepower in an internal combustion engine. The power curve is flatter and wider, mainly. You have much more low end torque. And there is an almost bottomless minimum idle speed. No warmup is needed. The role of reduction gearsis not as important. You simply have to have the correct RPM range and prop diameter, blade count, and pitch, to make the prop turn efficiently at the chosen power consumption level, without cavitation. But no matter how you slice it and dice it, or massage the data, this can never give anything close to a sustained 5hp power output to the prop shaft. Ain't gonna happen. The good news is you might not need 5HP.
Ratings of electric motors, especially Chinese made traction motors, are misleading, too. A motor might be rated for x watts at y duration. For instance, 5kw for 120 seconds, but if you try to run that same motor at 5kw for 5 or 10 minutes it might either overheat trip to save the motor, or simply have a big-ass meltdown. Cotrollers are rated similarly, especially Chinese made. You are more interested in SUSTAINED power. You don't want to motor your boat for a minute or two minutes and then stop to let it cool for 30 minutes. You want to go from point A to point B nonstop. So always take the ratings of Chinese made motors with a grain of salt. Remember, these ratings were assigned by the sane company making and selling them. Chinese manufacturers are also notorious for using wire that is too small, resulting in lots of line losses as the resistance of the wire causes the high current required by low voltage DC operation, to be converted to heat, reducing available power. Even the wire in the motor makes a difference, and too-small wire wll cause problems. Motor power ratings are rated by input power, naturally. If you have a kw of power going in but are losing 75w through heating of the coils, and more from cheap bearings or poor alighment or in this case a poorly optimized prop, the net effect might be much less than the HP figure found by dividing electrical input watts by 746.
Plain and simple. You get what you pay for. You are paying for shoddy materials, "good enough" quality control, and unskilled, underpaid, undereducated, labor. The basic engineering can be sound and the final product still be a POS. If a POS is acceptable and the price of a Torqueedo is not, then the Chinese OB is the obvious choice. But make sure you are able to sail or paddle home. Don't forget your battery makes a difference in your range, as well as your power setting.
For about $1200 you could get a 5kw Motenergy BLDC/PMAC motor and a Chinese Kelly controller, and make a fairly nice electric outboard based on the carcass of a dead gasoline outboard in the 6hp to 9.9hp range. Add eight 6v GC-2 size golf cart batteries in series with the requisite cabling, fusies, and meters, and you have a pretty nice propulsion setup that will push a small boat quite nicely.
Im sure it is much better than than the other electric motor just because its brushless... but 5hp equivalent at 6 miles an hour haha i think not, most gas 5HP will easily double that.
At 750 watts per horsepower, 1200 watts is 1.6 horsepower.
Yes, mentioned in the video. It's more like 1.6 HP, but it is fairly efficient for the power.
You need some lube on those parts bro. They always ship as dry as possible.
Not the electric one! I just pulled the prop off and opened up the lower unit and it’s fully filled with gear oil.
The 5.0 might be MPH.
Needs “the one” a fardriver and 72v. Might be able to water ski 😂
@@junkybuilt8990 I’m honestly about to jam an Electro & Co kit on this this 😂
5 hp would be 3730 w. 1200 w is about 1.6 hp.
750 watt battery for 3 miles about 4miles/kWh. That's tesla car equivalent.
Skip ahead to 6:55 for actual content.
Now get a 72v setup 😂😂😂
You read my mind for a future video lmao!
It's not 5HP because it's only 1200W. That's 1.63HP Your title is misleading. You test the against the speed equivalent of a gasoline 5HP engine. Thanks for the test though
Did you wach the video? He literally explains it is under 2hp.
@@hornantuutti5157 Did you even read my response? I said title, not whole video. Learn to read.