The only problem I have with the epropulsion motor is how much they cost $3k and it only goes 7 mph I've got an "8hp" hangkai electric outboard for $500 that does the same speed with my 14ft Jon boat
Great video. I’ve been comparing these two motors from Newport for use on my canoe. It’s super lightweight compared to your Jon boat so I’m thinking I go with the much cheaper 86lb, but still good to see the comparison of what’s possible !!
36v and 24v is a big difrence in power.. Try that same battery 36v on that 86lbs and you will see the same speed on the motor. If it handels the power.
I believe its all in tbe prop shape, pitch and thrust, i bougt an 86lb trolling motor, with its stock prop i got 4.2 mph, i put on a 10X8m-LH APC prop on it and it increased my speed to 5.1 - 5.2mph. Now i did perform the test on my intex mariner 4 inflatable raft, not the most hydrodynamic boat... I bet it can hit 5.5 maybe even close to 6 on a jon boat....
Just ordered one of these for my Old Town Sportsman 154 square stern... sounds like I should be cruising around 7mph for sure. Curious what kind of run-time I'll be averaging as I went with the 30ah battery (was on sale). Can't wait for this thing to ship!! Best part about these new motors vs E-Prop & Torqeedo, you are not limited to using their batteries and can always add on or upgrade...
Thanks for the comparison....I have Hobie PA 17T and I am on the fence of putting a mercury/80lb thrust troller or the Newport...This really helped me. Thanks again.
Great test! There does not seem to be a consistent way to compare pounds of thrust and hp. For my kayak, I was considering the cheaper option of getting a used perhaps 70 or 80 pound thrust motor. Realtime testing is the only solution. I am now sold on going the NK300 route (Newport's 3hp kayak model). My pedal kayak will probably approach 7mph and the pedal drive will be reserved for fishing movement once at the spot!
I'm not sure this is a fair comparison. It might have been more fair if you had compared it with the MinnKota Riptide 112, 36v, 52" shaft motor, which is cheaper than the longshaft version of the NT300. Although Newport Vessels is based in San Francisco, their motors are built in China.
The motor you're referring to is a $3,000 motor compared to this $1,000 motor. That's not a fair comparison. The 3HP would still out run the 112 pound thrust tho.
Thanks for the video, i've been curious on these new electric outboards. Looks like it pushed that 14' pretty well. How was the battery life? Do you think the single lithium battery would last a full day on the water?
I think you would notice the difference in a thru weeds test. The minn kota is made so it will go thru weeds (prop) . Which in turn will kill top end performance. Really not a good comparison. It's like comparing a dune buggy and a corvette.
You do realize that the props are different right all trolling motors are registered for 4-5 mph the props are built for torque thrust put that 3hp on a 4000lb boat that this 86 lb trolling motor is rated up too. Change the prop if you want speed over torque 👍
@@GeorgiaBassmaster must be the same pitch as the factory prop that pulls the same mph. So you basically wasted money on a prop that just says it does better from a name. Because if it had a 12:1 pitch instead of a 2:1 pitch like the factory prop it would have been 10x faster than the factory prop
@@GeorgiaBassmaster I build you a prop that will make it faster it's all about pitch on the prop and for it to be pulling only 4-5 mph it's a 2:1 prop built for torque not speed. No trolling motor out there will do over 5mph because of the prop pitch for all trolling motors. Put a 12:1 pitched prop on it redo the test. Then do the same hp because the 86 lb thrust trolling motor is only 1.8 hp vs a 3 hp comparison you're trying to prove. That's like putting a 250 hp outboard up against a 450 hp outboard on the same boat with the 450 having a 4 blade deep pitch prop and the 250 hp having a 3 blade 18:1 pitch speed prop. Same things going to happen the 250 mph will be way higher than the 450 hp torque prop.
now compare pricing. the 86lb thrust under $300 and the electric around $2500... i will take the trolling motor 24v all day...the $2500 pricing is with the battery pack
This $300 trolling motor is an off brand Chinese that will last you 1 year tops if you use it, a name brand 24 volt will run you $700-800 for a good one. Not including batteries
@@GeorgiaBassmaster ahh gotcha! i think i would prolly do the troller motor for the type of fishing i do which is jug fishing. fantastic video and ty for the response!
Great video! Would it be possible to know the height of your boat transom. I like to put it on a paddleski and the mesurement from the top of the transom to the water line is 20.3" and not sure if this 24.6" shaft would work. Thanks fo this video!
I was curious about the same thing, but I see people using the PaddleSki 437 with ePropulsion and the Torqeedo's that are also 24" shaft. What did you decide?
@@saksirikridakara I finally end up buying the 437 and Bixpy with transom adapter. I haven't tried it yet, but it will definitely be much slower (around 3.5 to 4 MPH) but as a paddling assist motor, it should be ok. 🙂
It's a great battery. The only thing I didn't realize what lithium batteries will give 100% maximum power until they go dead. So you won't know the battery is almost dead because it's still pushing at maximum power. that goes for all lithium batteries tho but I just wanted to make sure you were aware. I went probably 6 miles on mine tho.
Have you had the NT 300 long? And have you used it much? I ordered it, and my first one didn’t work. Sent it back. Received a replacement three months later. Took it out once, and it worked great. A few weeks later, I headed out again. And this time it didn’t work. Different issues for each one. The first one had no throttle response. The second one the LED display screen stopped working. So now I’m in the process of a second warranty claim. Using an Ionic 36v 50ah battery (new).
I've had mine for about 5-6 months.Didn't have any issues until I had some throttle issues on it a few weeks ago but have a new one coming in the mail. These are new outboards still having issues fixed along the way luckily I'll keep getting replacements under the warranty till all the bugs are fixed/./
@@GeorgiaBassmaster thanks for the feedback. Exactly like you said. It’s a new outboard product. And they’re gonna have to work out all the bugs. Good thing they are under warranty.
But the 86lb motor is about 1000 watts which is equivalent to 1.2 HP.... So no wonder it didn't stand a chance.... For me the 86 is better value for money
I tried downloading a few apps but it wouldn't give me a decimal point speed. It would say 6MPH but I couldnt tell if it was maybe 6.3 MPH or 6.7 MPH etc.
The only problem I have with the epropulsion motor is how much they cost $3k and it only goes 7 mph I've got an "8hp" hangkai electric outboard for $500 that does the same speed with my 14ft Jon boat
Does that 8hp pull a lot of power from the battery
@@dfwfishfeen8909 not really I can run full throttle for about 8 hours with my battery setup
Great video. I’ve been comparing these two motors from Newport for use on my canoe. It’s super lightweight compared to your Jon boat so I’m thinking I go with the much cheaper 86lb, but still good to see the comparison of what’s possible !!
I’m in the exact same situation. What’d you decide to use for your canoe? Are you happy with that decision
Great comparison thank you for making this video It will definitely help anyone looking at the 3hp motor
It scoots man! Feels a lot faster than it looks on the drone footage
This is the first trolling motor I have owned. It’s been great! Lots of thrust. Would recommend.
Yeah the wake from from that new 3 hp is impressive!
36v and 24v is a big difrence in power.. Try that same battery 36v on that 86lbs and you will see the same speed on the motor. If it handels the power.
I believe its all in tbe prop shape, pitch and thrust, i bougt an 86lb trolling motor, with its stock prop i got 4.2 mph, i put on a 10X8m-LH APC prop on it and it increased my speed to 5.1 - 5.2mph. Now i did perform the test on my intex mariner 4 inflatable raft, not the most hydrodynamic boat... I bet it can hit 5.5 maybe even close to 6 on a jon boat....
😮WOW😮...I realized that we are from the same area by looking at the boat ramp...Snake Creek...
The 3 horse power power sounds like the way to go man. Thank you for sharing. God bless you and your whole family...🙏❤🙏❤🙏😊🙂😀
Just ordered one of these for my Old Town Sportsman 154 square stern... sounds like I should be cruising around 7mph for sure. Curious what kind of run-time I'll be averaging as I went with the 30ah battery (was on sale). Can't wait for this thing to ship!! Best part about these new motors vs E-Prop & Torqeedo, you are not limited to using their batteries and can always add on or upgrade...
That's what I'm saying you can always run some cheap 12 volts on a circuit or get whatever lithium battery you want.
Thanks for the comparison....I have Hobie PA 17T and I am on the fence of putting a mercury/80lb thrust troller or the Newport...This really helped me. Thanks again.
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wouldnt it be easier to run both at 100%, 50% and 25% power outputs using a GPS speed app for more accuracy?
Great test! There does not seem to be a consistent way to compare pounds of thrust and hp. For my kayak, I was considering the cheaper option of getting a used perhaps 70 or 80 pound thrust motor. Realtime testing is the only solution. I am now sold on going the NK300 route (Newport's 3hp kayak model). My pedal kayak will probably approach 7mph and the pedal drive will be reserved for fishing movement once at the spot!
So, is the 800 dollar difference worth that 3 1/2 minute shorter ride? That's the question, really..
Great comparison - thank you
How fast did you get on your Dad's boat? I have a 100lb kayak boat with a transom and I'm hoping I can hit 8mph.
I have the 86 24v . Trying to justyify the upgrade to epropulsion. This Video was very helpful. Thanks.
This Newport is half the price of the epropulsion! But all good motors
@@GeorgiaBassmaster I'm from Australia and looks like Newport doesn't ship to here😞
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Make a boat with 3 trolling motors. If one dies, you still have the other 2.
Man that motor is killing it
How long in comparison will the batteries last on the water that to me is more important than speed
Man that 3 horse big motor was Scooting but that trolling motor did not do bad thou for being a trolling motor.
It is one of the faster ones you can buy! It’s a 24 volt trolling motor. Most people use a 12 volt 55 pound thrust or less.
The props on trolling motors are designed for thrust not speed. Every trolling motor I've seen says its maximum speed is 5mph.
Great point.
With Increasing the voltage it is possible to Go faster.
What's the range and power consumption difference
I'm not sure this is a fair comparison. It might have been more fair if you had compared it with the MinnKota Riptide 112, 36v, 52" shaft motor, which is cheaper than the longshaft version of the NT300. Although Newport Vessels is based in San Francisco, their motors are built in China.
The motor you're referring to is a $3,000 motor compared to this $1,000 motor. That's not a fair comparison. The 3HP would still out run the 112 pound thrust tho.
see you got that ktb combo
Thanks for the video, i've been curious on these new electric outboards. Looks like it pushed that 14' pretty well. How was the battery life? Do you think the single lithium battery would last a full day on the water?
I think you would notice the difference in a thru weeds test. The minn kota is made so it will go thru weeds (prop) . Which in turn will kill top end performance.
Really not a good comparison. It's like comparing a dune buggy and a corvette.
My NT300 shops the weeds right up. Haven't had any issues.
Only thing I can point out from this video is that how old is that 86 pound trolling motor? Technology back then was different than it is now.
Bought it a year ago
You do realize that the props are different right all trolling motors are registered for 4-5 mph the props are built for torque thrust put that 3hp on a 4000lb boat that this 86 lb trolling motor is rated up too. Change the prop if you want speed over torque 👍
I have a speed prop on the trolling motor. I actually do realize that.
@@GeorgiaBassmaster must be the same pitch as the factory prop that pulls the same mph. So you basically wasted money on a prop that just says it does better from a name. Because if it had a 12:1 pitch instead of a 2:1 pitch like the factory prop it would have been 10x faster than the factory prop
@@GeorgiaBassmaster I build you a prop that will make it faster it's all about pitch on the prop and for it to be pulling only 4-5 mph it's a 2:1 prop built for torque not speed. No trolling motor out there will do over 5mph because of the prop pitch for all trolling motors. Put a 12:1 pitched prop on it redo the test. Then do the same hp because the 86 lb thrust trolling motor is only 1.8 hp vs a 3 hp comparison you're trying to prove. That's like putting a 250 hp outboard up against a 450 hp outboard on the same boat with the 450 having a 4 blade deep pitch prop and the 250 hp having a 3 blade 18:1 pitch speed prop. Same things going to happen the 250 mph will be way higher than the 450 hp torque prop.
How much run time would each one last?
now compare pricing. the 86lb thrust under $300 and the electric around $2500... i will take the trolling motor 24v all day...the $2500 pricing is with the battery pack
This $300 trolling motor is an off brand Chinese that will last you 1 year tops if you use it, a name brand 24 volt will run you $700-800 for a good one. Not including batteries
@@GeorgiaBassmaster ahh gotcha! i think i would prolly do the troller motor for the type of fishing i do which is jug fishing. fantastic video and ty for the response!
Great video! Would it be possible to know the height of your boat transom. I like to put it on a paddleski and the mesurement from the top of the transom to the water line is 20.3" and not sure if this 24.6" shaft would work. Thanks fo this video!
I was curious about the same thing, but I see people using the PaddleSki 437 with ePropulsion and the Torqeedo's that are also 24" shaft. What did you decide?
@@saksirikridakara I finally end up buying the 437 and Bixpy with transom adapter. I haven't tried it yet, but it will definitely be much slower (around 3.5 to 4 MPH) but as a paddling assist motor, it should be ok. 🙂
which motor is the 86??
Thank you for the reply. Another question for you. I just purchased that motor because of your review, what do you think about the 30 AH battery?
It's a great battery. The only thing I didn't realize what lithium batteries will give 100% maximum power until they go dead. So you won't know the battery is almost dead because it's still pushing at maximum power. that goes for all lithium batteries tho but I just wanted to make sure you were aware. I went probably 6 miles on mine tho.
You went 6 miles on 30 ah hour ?
Georgia
@@rippin_lipps_doe.8006 Not 100% sure but I know atleast 3-4 miles.
Have you had the NT 300 long? And have you used it much? I ordered it, and my first one didn’t work. Sent it back. Received a replacement three months later. Took it out once, and it worked great. A few weeks later, I headed out again. And this time it didn’t work. Different issues for each one. The first one had no throttle response. The second one the LED display screen stopped working. So now I’m in the process of a second warranty claim. Using an Ionic 36v 50ah battery (new).
I've had mine for about 5-6 months.Didn't have any issues until I had some throttle issues on it a few weeks ago but have a new one coming in the mail. These are new outboards still having issues fixed along the way luckily I'll keep getting replacements under the warranty till all the bugs are fixed/./
@@GeorgiaBassmaster thanks for the feedback. Exactly like you said. It’s a new outboard product. And they’re gonna have to work out all the bugs. Good thing they are under warranty.
You could run two 50 lb. Trolling motors. Save money and move just as fast if not faster.
One 86 pound thrust would move faster than three 50 pound thrust….
what if you used 2 86 trust trolling motors with Amazon lithium batteries
i do that on a 16ft boat... it does great with just 1 of them but i keep 2 in case one stops working... about a 2mph difference...
Wasn't your dad sitting up front for the second trial ? Thar definitely slowed you down a bit.
He had to sit in the middle on the second because the motor was so fast it was splashing him getting him wet in the front.
But the 86lb motor is about 1000 watts which is equivalent to 1.2 HP.... So no wonder it didn't stand a chance.... For me the 86 is better value for money
86 pound usually around $800 VS THE nt300 FOR $1,000...
The 86lb from Newport is like $300 now. Way cheaper. Just wondering if the Newport 86lb is truly that strong or if they are over hyping it
Do you have GPS on your phone you could get an actual speed
I tried downloading a few apps but it wouldn't give me a decimal point speed. It would say 6MPH but I couldnt tell if it was maybe 6.3 MPH or 6.7 MPH etc.
9ft dingy with 86lb. 5.5 mph.
Is variable speed ?
Minkota is 1-2-3-4-5 click speed settings
it has no pre set speed setting its just however far you turn it.
💪🏽 Georgia B assmaster
Correct.
Nt300 is trash. It doesn't last a season. Warranty is garbage like the company that sells them. Waste of $1000
Price per mph is way more ill stick with my trolling motor.