We have one next to Gatwick airport, and it’s very busy at times. There’s an unmanned Amazon shop. I use it on the way out to work to charge whilst I have breakfast and yes, work on my laptop. Interesting point about the attendants because in the first week I had my EV, I had issues charging and went through the inevitable “OMG why did I choose an EV?” stage. Those guys helped me diagnose a fault with my OEM charge cable and massively boosted my confidence.
Love the two story driver lounge. Amazing what is over the pond. Nothing like that here in my neck of the woods. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching.
I really like what Gridserve are doing and charging with the app is very straightforward. But the prices are too high. I can charge for half the price as a Tesla subscriber, so I only use Gridserve in extremis. For £8-10 per month and, say, £0.55 per kwH I might consider it.
Agreed, these prices are far too much and should be avoided except in an emergency. I understand that they have a huge initial outlay to build these places but don't rip people off when they use them. If other companies are making profit from lower prices then I'm sure they could too in the long term.
We visited the Gridserve hub in Norwich the last two years. In 2023 it was newly opened and fairly busy, but in 2024 the M&S and Costa were closed, so no coffee to help pass the time. Looked like it was not so popular.
let's not forget that the government takes 20% of the £0.79 so £0.158 per kwh. Which is a huge draw back to charging away from home. You can get a basic Ionity subscription for £5.49 a month, and you get 53p per kWh or the full passport for £10.50 and that reduces it to 43p. So at peak times cheaper than tesla, but off-peak tesla open to all are the cheapest at some sites, but not all.
We took a roadtrip in there and M5/M6 seemed well covered for charging. Gloucester services is really nice. Tebay was a mess but i will post the video.
There are dead patches in certain areas but I wouldn't say there a North/South divide. M6 past Carlisle is now really well catered for and the A1(M) past Newcastle also great. And Wetherby Moto services has loads of charge points!
Now imagine if we had this in Canada. Same scope and same number of chargers like this. But what we have (unless you are in BC or Quebec) is just amateur hour. I’m hoping that someone steps up and does it like this. If they can do it in the UK and the US we can have something similar across Canada, right?
I travel 220km to Ottawa to see family and charging in Ontario is a joke. The moment you cross into Québec its a different story. As I say Québec a de nombreux problèmes, mais parfois nous faisons les choses correctement….
@@simplygregsterev Quebec is doing EV right that is for sure! I will be in Ontario this coming weekend for a wedding (Waterloo area) and renting something electric from Avis. I don't want a Tesla I told them, give me something with CCS plus so I can experience the wonderful Ontario infrastructure for myself. We will see how it goes...
Full-service charging parks look more like the PAST of EV-charging than the future to me: people needed a bunch of things to kill time when charging took 30+ minutes. Not so much with near-future EVs (or the fastest-charging current EVs) able to charge most of the way at 200+kW, not leaving you time to walk away from your vehicle for much longer than a bathroom break before you have to run back to unplug.
30% of all EV chargers are within the M25. We really need to expand this kind of installation across the country. In fact, I would go as far as to saying that all service stations, cafes, restaurants, etc. should be forced to support EV charging. It's the only way it's going to work. Labour did say they'd implement the EV revolution
We travel to the UK once or twice a year find the charging network rather good. Yea on bank holidays it does jam up but even our trip in Scotland last year was no problem
Maybe no anymore. There are 70,000 chargers spread throughout the country. 49,000 for the rest of the UK would be spread very thinly, but in York, I have such a plethora of choice.
@@colinwiseman It's certainly getting better, but the whole charging experience fills me with dread. I visit family and friends every couple of months in Teesside. Am I supposed to just disappear for an hour or so to charge the car? I could stop at services, but we don't normally as the journey from my home is only 2hrs away. Better to have more slower chargers everywhere, like hotels, pubs, restaurants, etc. This way, I could just leave the car at the hotel overnight and not worry. The network is improving, but more EVs are being sold every day. The number of chargers just can't keep up.
@@sargfowler9603 if you are only 2 hours away, you just need a car capable of 250 mile range and that should allow a round trip without charging - unless you are heavy footed :)
Wow, 24 CCS plugs and 4 Tesla plugs. This is so not the United States. Where I find hubs with 28 Tesla plugs and 12 CCS plugs. Just shows the variety of electric vehicles in Europe. 🎉
Do you think they will bring the prices down to at least the same has petrol or diesel because they are ripping every ev owner off BIG TIME..my hybrid corolla does 620 miles for £45 how far will £45 get you in a ev chargeing from these places..
£45 will probably get you around 200miles at these chargers. I suspect that most people only use them occasionally when on longer journeys which when averaged out with the much cheaper home charging still makes EV cheaper to run. If you had to charge at these rates all the time EV would be much more expensive. Places like that aren't cheap to build and operate so no doubt a good chunk of that price you pay will be going towards the capex and opex costs. It would be interesting to see how much profit they actually make.
Looks like a good place to stop and charge. Interesting they have places to park your bicycle, do they have any facilities to charge an eBike or moped?
Beautiful as the forecourts are I don't see how they are going to be sustainable. You will never get the throughput for the stores to be sustainable. A few people an hour will not sustain them others like the Norwich one have been really struggling and closing all the shops now. They well need 100 spaces to charge (and regularly 50% full) for it be practical for the shops there. The site was over half full for cars but only 1 or 2 people inside. All those seats upstairs. It is just dead space. It was 50 forecourts by 2026 if I remember. They have just 4 now. They could have a much smaller shop footprint. Think BK Lounge size. A coffee place and toilets is more than enough really.
So this is what my wife was saying that is just so over the top like who’s going to go there and do actually any work while having a nice store or café and washrooms is key I feel it could be half the size and still accomplished at the same mission. I mentioned that in the film as well that they had planned to open what 50 or 100 by the end of the decade and they’re only up to 5 or six now it takes a lot of money and investment just not in building the charging site, but actually building the building as well and making it self funding. Good property off of motorways is also quite expensive. I visited the site in Braintree in May 192023 and I think I still prefer that one more. I was also told that grid service is getting away from vehicle leasing and test drives and handing it over to the manufacturers. If you make it half the size with double the amount of charging all it really is at the end of the day is a really fancy motorway services and quite a few of those already exist so maybe focus on having better charging infrastructure at existing motorway services with a couple of these flagship forecourts sprinkled in In my next film, it will be our road trip adventure in the UK, including the meltdown at Tebay services northbound !
@@simplygregsterev Yeah I started writing it and then I heard you wife say it was over the top, which it is. It is their 4th one. Braintree opening in 2020. Norwich and Gatwick. And now this one. I had to check and it was in December 2020 in the press release on their website for the opening of the Braintree one "The site is the first of over 100 Electric Forecourts® being built by GRIDSERVE over the next five years" They are way off. They might have 2 or 3 more by then. Only Stevenage and Gatwick are in decent locations that will get much throughput (on major travel routes) tbh. They have focused on getting in chargers at existing motorway services which makes much more sense. Gridserve (and many others like instavolt, etc) are too expensive. Tesla led the way over here on price (Ionity with max memberships similar price) others are about double. Once they open up even more (currently 851 of 1668 stalls) they will be a real threat to many CPOs here. It is a decent saving and with these savings you could have a nice coffee and a sandwich in a good hotel or something where they have chargers.
@@johnbaker5533 Tesla is nearly half price. Its nearly impossible to build that many locations but its an interesting concept. I still feel that improving existing locations is key. Braintree and Norwich are a bit off track… we actually used a Tesla SC at a nice hotel south of Glasgow and it was lovely. We travel to the UK once a year and the charging network is good
I think the Norwich place is poorly located, it's on the outskirts of the city and a bit confusing to get into, I prefer the chargers at motorway services, easier access and more facilities
@@simplygregsterev I don't think it's set up so that people are coming to charge & then use the business centre whilst charging. With the ultra-rapid charges and a BEV that can take very high charge rates you won't be there that long. It's more like people use the business centre for meetings and/or as an alternative from working from home. And whilst there they can also charge. Let's say you live quite close to one of these electric forecourts, don't have home charging and also sometimes work from home. You can then decide to spend a few hours at Gridserve, do some work and charge up for the week (or longer) "Charge when stopped rather than stopping to charge"
@@brendanpells912 It's actually targeted at anyone who needs to charge an EV during a longer trip. Once they return home, they'll revert to charging at their normal off-peak rate, which is less than a 10th of the Gridserve cost. As a comparison, remember that when you fill up with petrol, you will pay one of the World's highest rates of fuel duty using earnings you *already* paid tax on.....Think about that......And also the fact that fuel duty is anticipated to rise, by as much as 10p per litre in the budget very soon....
@@Brian-om2hh I don't mind paying fuel duty because it raises money to pay for essential public services. And it is a grave injustice that EV owners, that are amongst the wealthiest people in the country, are offered the cheapest domestic electricity. Robbing from the poor to give to the rich.
But it's meant for the rare stop on a rare long journey. You wouldn't charge here every day you owned an EV. That's silly. But at 79p a kwh and an average 4 miles to the Kwh these days, you are still 20p a mile which is inline with highway fuel prices. Motorways charge up to 15% more for fuel which takes the average price per mile in a petrol car to over 20p a mile. So much of a muchness. You don't fill up your car at a motorway place every day do you?
This is part of the hypocrisy, and a small reason why am going to keep my ice car. If im gong to stop i try if i have time, use local facilities like independiente pub or cafes, its far cheaper and i know my money supports a truly unique local business and tend to be better quality and service. Minimising the amount of money that goes into these massively corporate businesses. That tend to rip you off. Plus i value my time, 5mins every 700 to 900 miles at 90pounds, over 250to300 miles 30to45mins. Also gridserve is a very southern sentric business none up hear. But my nearest chargers are over 18miles away and only 4 places then next is a tesla 30miles away 8 places. but that living in a remote area for you.
@@essexandy189 But we can buy the coffee and head off on our journey. We don’t have to watch the £ float away from the car as we stare at it for a hour whilst you all wank each other off
@RichardButler-g6h 2030 and 2035 government deadlines stoping the sale of new ice and hybrid cars respectively. Yes common sense you hop government moves or gets rid of the deadline. So yes we are being put in a position but probably will end up like Cuba, people who can’t afford or can not charge at home will just run old ice cars. And oddly the less technically advanced will become more sort after. Personally as a sole trader I’m planning on keeping and running my can and car as long as possible. Even though that’s actually the greenest thing you could do over buying a new ev every 3yr and probably on some sort of finance. As I e sad a lot I have no issue if some one wants a ev or likes spending a lot of time at services but equally there is a lot of us who don’t want or can not go electric or have the free time required.
@@essexandy189 I didn’t say that Ice drivers don’t use services. But sadly most these charging sites only benefit the corporate business. They Don’t really support local business and do corse good independent Pubs cafes and shops to go under, also over factors like extremely high electric and utility rates and taxes don’t help small business ever. As a sole trader / business owner I have some what seen and experience the issue small business face. Hens why I’m speaking out about issues that affect my business and my customers. You welcome to disagree but I have nothing loose by warning people but everything to loose if I don’t.
So, again, what do vehicles do that are towing!! I can refuel a petrol car that is towing at any petrol pump in the world. However, there are virtually no chargers that allow that in the UK. What are the ‘designers’ thinking, no brain.
@@OldTimeGamerJeff this is something I noticed there are no pull thru bays. Its a thing here in Canada as well but newer sites are starting to get them
Very few people tow with an EV at the moment, EVs just don't really cut it for that. Until we have an EV that is viable enough to tow the same as a diesel, I wouldn't worry about EVs chargers for them
Two things: 1. When this vehicle you specify turns up do you think Gridserve will update their sites to suit? They need to be built to cater for it now. 2. I tow a caravan with my EV now and it is fine!! Bar the fact, of course, no-one designs their chargers properly…
For you it maybe, for me however, I do all my charging at home at 6 pence a kwh. Last time I went to a filling station was to put air in my tires. I could have done that at home also actually, Fantastic.
Says the man who drives an ICE, which runs at just 30% efficiency at best.... The other 70% is lost as heat through friction. Imagine paying £6 per gallon for petrol, but with only £2 worth actually moving you along the road, with the other £4 being wasted..... An EV runs at 80 to 90% efficiency.... But hey, if you're ok with 30%, then crack on....
Basically we’ve had the combustion engine since 1853. That’s a lot of time to “perfect” a technology, time to mass market it (the oil and motor boom of the 50s and 60s) and time to roll out the infrastructure to support it (forecourts). Electric vehicles have had a much shorter amount of time to get to that level. We’re now at a point where the vehicles can rival the range of their petrol counterparts but the infrastructure is still playing catch-up.
Petrol, Diesel, fill and go!!! EV! plug in! explore the M&S shop, sit down for Sandwich and coffee, candy crush for a bit AND still 0nly 65% charged. Back to the M&S shop and loiter for a bit, think of another coffee or more candy crush, "BINGO" 80% till the next coffee I didn't want or need or shopping spree.
@@simplygregsterev OMG! A 15 minute "trick" interval charging my arse!! Am I really hearing this!! Travel from London to Cornwall with that little "trick"
@@davidpascoe3863 shorter charge intervals with more stops is actually faster. As crazy as it sounds. I don’t charge more than 15-17 mins at a stop unless im filming. Sitting around at 70% waiting for 80% or 90% no thanks
@@PeterCc5uthey dig themselves into a hole trying to justify the initial expense on the EV, the depreciation, the fact that they now Love waiting to refuel, love all the apps they need to download, love all the various connection and kWh types and meeting fellow weirdos at the “lounge” that was once a wooded area with 100s of trees now destroyed for “green ev” stuff.
We have one next to Gatwick airport, and it’s very busy at times. There’s an unmanned Amazon shop. I use it on the way out to work to charge whilst I have breakfast and yes, work on my laptop. Interesting point about the attendants because in the first week I had my EV, I had issues charging and went through the inevitable “OMG why did I choose an EV?” stage. Those guys helped me diagnose a fault with my OEM charge cable and massively boosted my confidence.
@@Chodcam thats the one I planned on visiting but Knebworth has just opened and we were coming back from York
Love the two story driver lounge. Amazing what is over the pond. Nothing like that here in my neck of the woods. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching.
It is wild how fast infrastructure is expanding in UK and rest of europe. But also proper hubs
Great review thank. And it’s always great to know of new charging stations.
Thanks for watching
I really like what Gridserve are doing and charging with the app is very straightforward.
But the prices are too high. I can charge for half the price as a Tesla subscriber, so I only use Gridserve in extremis.
For £8-10 per month and, say, £0.55 per kwH I might consider it.
Shame the app is region locked. We are in the UK often and for long periods. I can’t access it. As for Tesla.. At Gretna recently it was 38p kwh
Agreed, these prices are far too much and should be avoided except in an emergency. I understand that they have a huge initial outlay to build these places but don't rip people off when they use them. If other companies are making profit from lower prices then I'm sure they could too in the long term.
We visited the Gridserve hub in Norwich the last two years. In 2023 it was newly opened and fairly busy, but in 2024 the M&S and Costa were closed, so no coffee to help pass the time. Looked like it was not so popular.
I heard the WH Smith or M&S had closed
let's not forget that the government takes 20% of the £0.79 so £0.158 per kwh. Which is a huge draw back to charging away from home. You can get a basic Ionity subscription for £5.49 a month, and you get 53p per kWh or the full passport for £10.50 and that reduces it to 43p. So at peak times cheaper than tesla, but off-peak tesla open to all are the cheapest at some sites, but not all.
Correct
Brilliant! We could do with some of these on the M1 and M6.
We took a roadtrip in there and M5/M6 seemed well covered for charging. Gloucester services is really nice. Tebay was a mess but i will post the video.
The point is why use at all when there are other options ( Tesla open to all at peak rate 54 p ) not too far away at
Where down south is this one? The north south divide for charger infrastructure is a big problem
@@1982craigyboy Knebworth, Stevenage
There are dead patches in certain areas but I wouldn't say there a North/South divide. M6 past Carlisle is now really well catered for and the A1(M) past Newcastle also great. And Wetherby Moto services has loads of charge points!
Now imagine if we had this in Canada. Same scope and same number of chargers like this. But what we have (unless you are in BC or Quebec) is just amateur hour. I’m hoping that someone steps up and does it like this. If they can do it in the UK and the US we can have something similar across Canada, right?
I travel 220km to Ottawa to see family and charging in Ontario is a joke. The moment you cross into Québec its a different story. As I say
Québec a de nombreux problèmes, mais parfois nous faisons les choses correctement….
@@simplygregsterev Quebec is doing EV right that is for sure! I will be in Ontario this coming weekend for a wedding (Waterloo area) and renting something electric from Avis. I don't want a Tesla I told them, give me something with CCS plus so I can experience the wonderful Ontario infrastructure for myself. We will see how it goes...
@@LeftCoastEV might have better luck at Hertz for CCS. Ontario is brave!
Full-service charging parks look more like the PAST of EV-charging than the future to me: people needed a bunch of things to kill time when charging took 30+ minutes. Not so much with near-future EVs (or the fastest-charging current EVs) able to charge most of the way at 200+kW, not leaving you time to walk away from your vehicle for much longer than a bathroom break before you have to run back to unplug.
Turn over is key but there are still lots of sub 150kw EVs still being produced and around.
30% of all EV chargers are within the M25. We really need to expand this kind of installation across the country.
In fact, I would go as far as to saying that all service stations, cafes, restaurants, etc. should be forced to support EV charging.
It's the only way it's going to work.
Labour did say they'd implement the EV revolution
We travel to the UK once or twice a year find the charging network rather good. Yea on bank holidays it does jam up but even our trip in Scotland last year was no problem
Maybe no anymore. There are 70,000 chargers spread throughout the country. 49,000 for the rest of the UK would be spread very thinly, but in York, I have such a plethora of choice.
@@colinwiseman It's certainly getting better, but the whole charging experience fills me with dread.
I visit family and friends every couple of months in Teesside. Am I supposed to just disappear for an hour or so to charge the car?
I could stop at services, but we don't normally as the journey from my home is only 2hrs away.
Better to have more slower chargers everywhere, like hotels, pubs, restaurants, etc. This way, I could just leave the car at the hotel overnight and not worry.
The network is improving, but more EVs are being sold every day. The number of chargers just can't keep up.
@@sargfowler9603 if you are only 2 hours away, you just need a car capable of 250 mile range and that should allow a round trip without charging - unless you are heavy footed :)
@@rtfazeberdee3519 I may be able to do that in summer, but definitely not in winter. Most of the journey is motorway or A roads.
Wow, 24 CCS plugs and 4 Tesla plugs.
This is so not the United States. Where I find hubs with 28 Tesla plugs and 12 CCS plugs. Just shows the variety of electric vehicles in Europe. 🎉
@@ronb4633 Tesla is CCS2 in Europe unless an older Model S or X. A good chunk of the supercharger network is open to non tesla
Do you think they will bring the prices down to at least the same has petrol or diesel because they are ripping every ev owner off BIG TIME..my hybrid corolla does 620 miles for £45 how far will £45 get you in a ev chargeing from these places..
I am not sure. I guess its a wait and see situation
£45 will probably get you around 200miles at these chargers. I suspect that most people only use them occasionally when on longer journeys which when averaged out with the much cheaper home charging still makes EV cheaper to run. If you had to charge at these rates all the time EV would be much more expensive.
Places like that aren't cheap to build and operate so no doubt a good chunk of that price you pay will be going towards the capex and opex costs. It would be interesting to see how much profit they actually make.
Is it the new day out for the 21st century.
Double chargers means slower rates, still same price
That is true
Looks like a good place to stop and charge. Interesting they have places to park your bicycle, do they have any facilities to charge an eBike or moped?
I am not sure of this but excellent question
Beautiful as the forecourts are I don't see how they are going to be sustainable. You will never get the throughput for the stores to be sustainable. A few people an hour will not sustain them others like the Norwich one have been really struggling and closing all the shops now.
They well need 100 spaces to charge (and regularly 50% full) for it be practical for the shops there.
The site was over half full for cars but only 1 or 2 people inside. All those seats upstairs. It is just dead space.
It was 50 forecourts by 2026 if I remember. They have just 4 now.
They could have a much smaller shop footprint. Think BK Lounge size. A coffee place and toilets is more than enough really.
So this is what my wife was saying that is just so over the top like who’s going to go there and do actually any work while having a nice store or café and washrooms is key I feel it could be half the size and still accomplished at the same mission. I mentioned that in the film as well that they had planned to open what 50 or 100 by the end of the decade and they’re only up to 5 or six now it takes a lot of money and investment just not in building the charging site, but actually building the building as well and making it self funding. Good property off of motorways is also quite expensive. I visited the site in Braintree in May 192023 and I think I still prefer that one more. I was also told that grid service is getting away from vehicle leasing and test drives and handing it over to the manufacturers.
If you make it half the size with double the amount of charging all it really is at the end of the day is a really fancy motorway services and quite a few of those already exist so maybe focus on having better charging infrastructure at existing motorway services with a couple of these flagship forecourts sprinkled in
In my next film, it will be our road trip adventure in the UK, including the meltdown at Tebay services northbound !
@@simplygregsterev Yeah I started writing it and then I heard you wife say it was over the top, which it is.
It is their 4th one. Braintree opening in 2020. Norwich and Gatwick. And now this one.
I had to check and it was in December 2020 in the press release on their website for the opening of the Braintree one "The site is the first of over 100 Electric Forecourts® being built by GRIDSERVE over the next five years" They are way off. They might have 2 or 3 more by then.
Only Stevenage and Gatwick are in decent locations that will get much throughput (on major travel routes) tbh.
They have focused on getting in chargers at existing motorway services which makes much more sense.
Gridserve (and many others like instavolt, etc) are too expensive. Tesla led the way over here on price (Ionity with max memberships similar price) others are about double. Once they open up even more (currently 851 of 1668 stalls) they will be a real threat to many CPOs here.
It is a decent saving and with these savings you could have a nice coffee and a sandwich in a good hotel or something where they have chargers.
@@johnbaker5533 Tesla is nearly half price. Its nearly impossible to build that many locations but its an interesting concept. I still feel that improving existing locations is key. Braintree and Norwich are a bit off track… we actually used a Tesla SC at a nice hotel south of Glasgow and it was lovely. We travel to the UK once a year and the charging network is good
I think the Norwich place is poorly located, it's on the outskirts of the city and a bit confusing to get into, I prefer the chargers at motorway services, easier access and more facilities
@@simplygregsterev I don't think it's set up so that people are coming to charge & then use the business centre whilst charging. With the ultra-rapid charges and a BEV that can take very high charge rates you won't be there that long. It's more like people use the business centre for meetings and/or as an alternative from working from home. And whilst there they can also charge.
Let's say you live quite close to one of these electric forecourts, don't have home charging and also sometimes work from home. You can then decide to spend a few hours at Gridserve, do some work and charge up for the week (or longer)
"Charge when stopped rather than stopping to charge"
At 79p a kw it’s evidently for people with more money than sense
It is targeted at wealthy EV drivers, they probably wouldn't care if it was 79p or £7-90/kWh, their company will probably pay for it anyway.
@@brendanpells912 It's actually targeted at anyone who needs to charge an EV during a longer trip. Once they return home, they'll revert to charging at their normal off-peak rate, which is less than a 10th of the Gridserve cost. As a comparison, remember that when you fill up with petrol, you will pay one of the World's highest rates of fuel duty using earnings you *already* paid tax on.....Think about that......And also the fact that fuel duty is anticipated to rise, by as much as 10p per litre in the budget very soon....
@@Brian-om2hh I don't mind paying fuel duty because it raises money to pay for essential public services. And it is a grave injustice that EV owners, that are amongst the wealthiest people in the country, are offered the cheapest domestic electricity. Robbing from the poor to give to the rich.
I highly doubt someone driving an MG4 is highly wealthy
But it's meant for the rare stop on a rare long journey. You wouldn't charge here every day you owned an EV. That's silly. But at 79p a kwh and an average 4 miles to the Kwh these days, you are still 20p a mile which is inline with highway fuel prices. Motorways charge up to 15% more for fuel which takes the average price per mile in a petrol car to over 20p a mile. So much of a muchness. You don't fill up your car at a motorway place every day do you?
Ooooo look at me I’ve saved £4 on fuel but spent £15 in Starbucks
This is part of the hypocrisy, and a small reason why am going to keep my ice car. If im gong to stop i try if i have time, use local facilities like independiente pub or cafes, its far cheaper and i know my money supports a truly unique local business and tend to be better quality and service. Minimising the amount of money that goes into these massively corporate businesses. That tend to rip you off. Plus i value my time, 5mins every 700 to 900 miles at 90pounds, over 250to300 miles 30to45mins. Also gridserve is a very southern sentric business none up hear. But my nearest chargers are over 18miles away and only 4 places then next is a tesla 30miles away 8 places. but that living in a remote area for you.
Yeah petrol & Diesel drivers never buy Starbucks maybe that’s why there at loads off service stations on the motorway
@@essexandy189 But we can buy the coffee and head off on our journey. We don’t have to watch the £ float away from the car as we stare at it for a hour whilst you all wank each other off
@RichardButler-g6h 2030 and 2035 government deadlines stoping the sale of new ice and hybrid cars respectively. Yes common sense you hop government moves or gets rid of the deadline. So yes we are being put in a position but probably will end up like Cuba, people who can’t afford or can not charge at home will just run old ice cars. And oddly the less technically advanced will become more sort after. Personally as a sole trader I’m planning on keeping and running my can and car as long as possible. Even though that’s actually the greenest thing you could do over buying a new ev every 3yr and probably on some sort of finance. As I e sad a lot I have no issue if some one wants a ev or likes spending a lot of time at services but equally there is a lot of us who don’t want or can not go electric or have the free time required.
@@essexandy189 I didn’t say that Ice drivers don’t use services. But sadly most these charging sites only benefit the corporate business. They Don’t really support local business and do corse good independent Pubs cafes and shops to go under, also over factors like extremely high electric and utility rates and taxes don’t help small business ever. As a sole trader / business owner I have some what seen and experience the issue small business face. Hens why I’m speaking out about issues that affect my business and my customers. You welcome to disagree but I have nothing loose by warning people but everything to loose if I don’t.
Extortionate prices!
If you take Tesla pricing out of the mix this is unfortunately a fairly typical price.
So, again, what do vehicles do that are towing!! I can refuel a petrol car that is towing at any petrol pump in the world. However, there are virtually no chargers that allow that in the UK. What are the ‘designers’ thinking, no brain.
@@OldTimeGamerJeff this is something I noticed there are no pull thru bays. Its a thing here in Canada as well but newer sites are starting to get them
Very few people tow with an EV at the moment, EVs just don't really cut it for that. Until we have an EV that is viable enough to tow the same as a diesel, I wouldn't worry about EVs chargers for them
Two things:
1. When this vehicle you specify turns up do you think Gridserve will update their sites to suit? They need to be built to cater for it now.
2. I tow a caravan with my EV now and it is fine!! Bar the fact, of course, no-one designs their chargers properly…
Why is it so small only 24 chargers and 4 Tesla 😂 will
90p / kWh ev charging ? 3 times more than petrol
Plus most charging is at home, making average cost much less than petrol.
Here in Canada 99% of my charging is done at home
Half the charging price and I may visit one day. RIP off Britain 🇬🇧
EV's are like going back in time to a less efficient world.
For you it maybe, for me however, I do all my charging at home at 6 pence a kwh. Last time I went to a filling station was to put air in my tires. I could have done that at home also actually, Fantastic.
Says the man who drives an ICE, which runs at just 30% efficiency at best.... The other 70% is lost as heat through friction. Imagine paying £6 per gallon for petrol, but with only £2 worth actually moving you along the road, with the other £4 being wasted..... An EV runs at 80 to 90% efficiency.... But hey, if you're ok with 30%, then crack on....
Basically we’ve had the combustion engine since 1853. That’s a lot of time to “perfect” a technology, time to mass market it (the oil and motor boom of the 50s and 60s) and time to roll out the infrastructure to support it (forecourts). Electric vehicles have had a much shorter amount of time to get to that level. We’re now at a point where the vehicles can rival the range of their petrol counterparts but the infrastructure is still playing catch-up.
ROFL... burning fossil fuels for driving is the least efficient way to do it.
Petrol, Diesel, fill and go!!! EV! plug in! explore the M&S shop, sit down for Sandwich and coffee, candy crush for a bit AND still 0nly 65% charged. Back to the M&S shop and loiter for a bit, think of another coffee or more candy crush, "BINGO" 80% till the next coffee I didn't want or need or shopping spree.
The trick is 15 minute sessions and hit the next stop. Arrival at low state of charge , plug in 15 mins and leave
@@simplygregsterev OMG! A 15 minute "trick" interval charging my arse!! Am I really hearing this!!
Travel from London to Cornwall with that little "trick"
@@davidpascoe3863 shorter charge intervals with more stops is actually faster. As crazy as it sounds. I don’t charge more than 15-17 mins at a stop unless im filming. Sitting around at 70% waiting for 80% or 90% no thanks
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@@PeterCc5uthey dig themselves into a hole trying to justify the initial expense on the EV, the depreciation, the fact that they now Love waiting to refuel, love all the apps they need to download, love all the various connection and kWh types and meeting fellow weirdos at the “lounge” that was once a wooded area with 100s of trees now destroyed for “green ev” stuff.
You're so far behind the times.