As someone who has the V2 which has the same problem as this, I'm looking at moving away to another charger, the big issue is the local control/access twice now when Hypervolt's servers have been down i've been unable to control my charger whatsoever to manually initiate a charge
Great install, I have an Easse charger and I use the scheduling function to take advantage of the Octopus GO tariff of 8.5p per KWH for 5 hours per night
Really good review ill keep the Hyper volt in mind. As I had my Tesla back in 2014 finding any charge point at all back then, in fact charging anywhere here in the UK at home or road was like the wild west. I engineer in big auto with EV systems so I ended up making my own charge point back then. 10 years later Ive still got the same charge point, same 150,000 mile car (I may be one of the first to actually wear out a type 2 plug ! ) Decent solar integration is taking place with the Hyper volt, I may at last be tempted to change my charge point. Currently on EON Next Drive Fixed V3 tariff. Cheap rate 12.00 midnight to 7 am @ 6.9p/kWh, I often trickle charge off the solar at 5A (2 miles an hour but if cars sitting there and its free than 20+ miles a day) ........getting real cheap to run EVs at last.
Great video. I've just updated from the Hypervolt 2 to the 3 Pro. Had internet hard worked after WiFi hassles with the 2. I was not sure it was worth it but after setting up octopus Intelligent I'm chuffed. Can wait to have a bit of sun too check the battery safe mode, but may have to wait for Spring here in the west of Scotland!
I've got this exact set up, but with the Zappi and Alpha Battery. So less about the products, more about the thought and strategy that has gone into the install
Octopus Intelligent Go tariff provides cheap power at other times, not just 23:30 - 05:30. You might want the batteries to fill at these other times which tend to be early afternoon in the summer when there is plenty of grid solar about and when it is windy during the week ends throughout the year. With new wind farms coming on stream this autumn there could be more cheap power particularly when SSE have reconductored their Grid lines running down the east coast of Scotland from Kintore (Aberdeen) where constraints occur.
Octopus Go - the night rate applies to all your account consumption car, washing machines etc. Charging via Octopus is a favor to Octopus as you can always schedule the charge of the car to between 11:30 and 5:30!
@@Aphova yes, in germany you can buy an open source wallbox called open WB . You can decide if you want a cloud based service or not. If not no one cares. We have a Pulsar Plus from the manufacturer WALLBOX and we use EVCC as opensource software which runs manufacturer independent. We have a VW, a Seat, a Pulsar Plus, an Eastron Smartmeter, Growatt inverter and EVE battery with JK BMS and on top a french heatpump for warm water. But everything works together under Homeassistant and evcc.
Have to agree, any charger that can't be integrated into a household home automation system in this day and age is useless. Another brand that meets this requirement and pretty much has all the smarts is Indra (UK based). Additionally needs to support the OCPP standards which Indra does and the hypervolt does not!
Your wonderful "battery safe" mode is very limited in what it can actually do. The best it can manage is to detect when the battery is trying to supplement the power whilst it is doing diversion of excess solar. The EV charge point then slows down the EV's charge rate to get the battery to stop again - that's it. The real problem is when the EV is charging at full speed - 7.2 kW or so. For that the extra CT clamp is no help at all because the charge point has no way of controlling what the batteries do. The correct solution (regardless of what kind of charge point you're fitting) is to connect the charge point *outside* the area which the batteries try to power. In the case of a Powerwall that means connecting the charge point between the Powerwall gateway and the grid supply. This is part of the basic planning which should be done before any battery installation. It's amazing how many installers don't do it.
@simoncoles2463 still works the same - your EV solar CT clamp still goes on your outgoing supply, so when the charger senses you are exporting surplus it knows to start charging.
I use automations in Home Assistant to disable battery discharge when my car is charging. This obviously also means that the house is pulling from the grid rather than the battery but this usually happens during the small hours anyway when its cheap rate electricity and limited house use.
Great video, I don't see you covering Ohme but as I have an Ohme Pro EV charger and are very happy, I assume it is good as well. As I have PV, 25kW batteries, I don't want my PV to go into my car as exported I get 15p/kW. Just to make my point that I only want the car to be charger at the IOG tariff over night. (just my 2 cents)
This is partially correct. Hypervolt further allows you to distinguish between SuperEco and BatterySafe, so you can if you want use the battery, with access to fine grained control. Additionally, it's possible to automatically schedule patterns, so the chargepoint can switch between the modes seamlessly and automatically. In fact, a different schedule and mode can be setup every 15 minutes if that's what customers want.
can the hypervolt use a ct clamp to monitor the submain supply it is on? Ie: to avoid it overloading an existing supply to a garage at the end of the garden?
I’ve just got a V3 Pro for installed and it’s t only seems to be putting out a max of 6 amps, when I should be getting much more - any ideas what this could be? My M3P charges fine on 10a using the Tesla 3 pin charger and on Superchargers etc. Any ideas welcome!
Definitely something we will work on in the future! That is a completely new product that will come at a very different price point to an AC charger, but something we are keen to make part of our offering.
@@hypervoltevEnergy suppliers and DNOs should subsidise future bidirectional chargers, as everyone could benefit from having a giant virtual power station. 👍
Does anyone have an idea how much an install should be on average? I have ducting going from consumer unit box to top of driveway and a new large consumer unit. Would this be on the easier side for an install? Just not sure if I’m getting a good deal? Thanks
Do the battery stop clamps come with the pro 3 now as standard? About to have a hypervolt fitted and would be a great feature to have for my batteries so wondering if the installer would know to install this or not
do you have a recommendation for an EV home charger that just simply charges the car that is well made and works well I really don't fret about anything I just want to manually connect my car and charge it ( a renault Zoe 50 2021 ) and manually unplug when done also where about in the UK are you, thanks
Hypervolt will do that job perfectly for you. All home chargers are required to be smart these days anyway so you won’t find a big standard charger without an app or internet connection but you don’t necessarily need to use those features. We are based in Cambridge but cover most of the UK with our partners network.
Had major issues with the last Hypervolt, what can you expect if the electronics, supply connections are open the elements, unsure how they got any BS/IEC certification for that unit. Took me a few weeks for them to agree the return after giving them 2 chances to repair over a 4-month period. Out of pocket for the installation cost and removal by the electrician and charging the car at the local supermarket. My opinion, Hypervolt should have recalled the earlier version and sent the new IP65 unit free of charge as it was not fit for purpose. Duty of care comes to mind !!!
are we aware of any other chargers on the Market that offer the 'Battery safe' function? i currently have an Ohme Home Pro charger and i am looking too add a solar array to my property with a Battery storage solution soon. I too would like to protect the batteries for home use during the day, i am not sure if my current charger provides that facility....would you recommend I consider upgrading to the Hypervolt Charger?
I’m looking in to EV chargers but I have 3 phase electrics. Is there a similar option? This model looks to be single phase only. I have 20x 400w solar panels and want to make the most of the sun and not export it if possible.
no, there is another one coming up soon , the final solution - another brand which had paid money or given them 10 wallboxes for free to make such video.
In answer to the question in the video title, no, of course not. Next week, month, year there will be another one along with more "features" that most users will not want and it will be hailed as the "Ultimate" charger
Do all customers of Octupus Inteligent Go can have this working with Hypervolt 3 Pro. I ready that thinks still in Beta version so only selected customers can use this integration.
I have two Powerwall an EV but now on my third yes third faulty myenergi Zappi chargers waiting three weeks for the forth. When Zappi works it does the same, when it’s working 😢😢
I have a Tesla Powerwall 2 with Tesla M3LR car using a EO Mini Pro 3 charger on Octopus Intelligent Go & it never takes power from the battery when charging car ?
The comment around the 2 EVs charged with Intelligent go isn't strictly correct. You need to have at least one car that's compatible if you don't have a compatible charger. Howevrer, you will always get 6 hours a night at the cheap rate, even if you don't activate the intelligent charging feature that night. So a 2nd car could be charged using the standard window. All the intelligent part does, is give Octopus the control of when it decided to turn on the cheap charging outside of those hours. In the majority of cases they will still charge your car overnight as this is when demand for electricity is at its lowest, and so cheapest. You fancy gadget may work at times but I don't believe it will automatically trigger cheap charging at anytime.
Easier to just wire up the EV CU outside the power walls… how will you tell those that OI sessions are going on (I do it via home automation, which means the hyperbole measurement doesn’t matter)
Car to home and car to grid capability: why aren't more chargers offering it? Why pay £15k for 27kWh of tesla power wall batteries when many new EVs now shipping with car to home technology and >70kWh batteries.
If using the batteries to make use of the cheap overnight prices. I cant see the point of having solar. The car and batteries will be on cheap rate over night. To use 18kwh a day in a home is unlikey without aircon/heat pumps. At the video start you mentioned not using the battery for car usage due to the over cycling. So your saying not to charge a car via battery. Home usage is low without car charging. According to this video solar and battery is useless for car charging, car charging is 90% of energy usage in a standard home with a phev/ev.
do not forget that government looks for new money sources and that changing the accounting of your cheap elelectricity is the easiest way. And then you are screwed over night. We have a 99,9% grid availablility. Power lines are mostly in the ground not like in the USA the mess with all the poles. And we pay for a kWh on the exchange about -5 to 30 Cent but have to pay on top grid fees of 20 Cent which all those parties get who are maintaining the grid. Your days are counted where you can get electricity for free through the lines cause Brexit will cost a lot more and the government will realise how to make money . UK electricity prices are cheaper than in the EU. And here everyone has to pay the grid fees per kWh. We get 8 Cent for a kWh we are feeding in regardless at what time - and for 20 years. But If I have to buy back 1 hours later I will have to pay the stock price and on top 20 cent fees. If there is a lot of offshore wind in the north sea during night or winter then the price might be -10 cent which means I get 10 cent per kWh I take from the grid but still have to pay 20 cent for the grid, so at the 10 cent per kWh during these nights.
@@briangriffiths1285 nope, still not there. I think it is by invite only atm and has to be added by Octopus as part of the Beta testing program that is still underway
Not realy a good idea to mix the data and the CT connecting cable,it's not really segregated, i know its low voltage from the CT's but it goes inside the Distribution board!
Why are these wallboxes so expensive? Apart from the PCB , else inside is normal off the shelf items available anywhere. You don't need all this stuff. I charge using a basic charger, Intelligent Go and my ID3 or Octopus switch on the power if free or low cost energy is available outside the normal off peak slot. This fella can probably make his own for £150!
It’s important to understand that modern EV charging infrastructure, especially in the UK, is subject to stringent safety and performance regulations that simply weren’t a requirement with older, "dumb" chargers. The reason wallboxes seem more expensive isn’t just due to the components you mentioned, like the PCB. While some parts may appear basic, the integration of these components, along with necessary safety features and software, adds significant value. Firstly, smart charging is now a mandatory requirement in the UK. This means chargers need to not only function effectively but also manage load balancing, avoid overloading circuits, and communicate with the grid in ways that older or basic chargers cannot. These smart capabilities prevent scenarios where the grid is stressed or where consumers incur high electricity bills by charging during peak hours. Chargers like those made by leading manufacturers are built with sophisticated algorithms for this very purpose. Additionally, modern EV chargers come equipped with essential safety features such as PEN fault protection. This protection is vital for preventing electric shocks in the event of a broken neutral in the grid, which can be life-saving. There’s also 6mA DC leakage protection to detect even small current leakages and shut down the charger before they pose any risk. Features like thermal sensors help prevent overheating, and tamper-proof mechanisms ensure the charger isn’t compromised. It's also worth mentioning that compliance with UK regulations, including active load management, adds to the overall costs of manufacturing these units. The combination of intelligent energy management, increased safety, and regulatory compliance means these chargers are far from “off the shelf” solutions. While someone might be able to cobble together something basic for a lower price, it would lack these critical features and wouldn't be legally compliant or safe for use in today's environment. Ultimately, the higher price reflects the technology, safety, and reliability built into these devices, which are designed to protect users and optimize energy use.
@@artisanelectrics so in order to save some money I need a house with offstreet parking and a large garage, 1000's of pounds, worth of solar panels, multiple tesla powerwalls, inverters, endless controllers, complex and artisan type installation, months of admin, disruption, constant maintenance .... Think I'll keep the ICE car and put £60 in the tank every week.
I think to make miles per year in a cheap tariff, in a long term is cheap. If you can’t afford the investment….. just make the maths how much you spend in diesel/petrol in a year.
Why not put the EV charger before the gateway it has a curtail CT to save the DNO’s fuse not really a problem I use an Indra smart lux and my batteries can’t see it but integrated with HA I can see everything just need some more smart plugs, wish Indra would actually move there butts and integrate with octopus! Very poor show on Indra’s part for an expensive charger, I agree getting charger integration is safer than getting the car that integrates.
outdated cause you can get such modes for free using evcc .evcc runs on any tiny pc or raspi and is manufacturer independent. It does not care about your wallbox, smartmeter and inverter cause it works with all of them . Customer decides to buy the best inverter like our Growatt SPH with EVE LFP batteries and a Pulsar Plus wallbox made by WALLBOX the inventor and owner of the term wallbox. And evcc manages how to use your surplus energy, when to start charging home battery and at what power level , when to charge the car and heat the warm water with the heatpump. And on top we will use EOS, the energy OS also made in germany soon funded by a kickstarter campaign. And of cause charging the home battery during of peak hours or when the price on the stock is even negative is supported too. Most or all our devices are running modbus and that is what you need: 2 wires
Unfortunately this new CT is going to be completely useless when octopus takes control of the charging. It's only function is to reduce the EVSE output to limit the charging to match the surplus generation and avoid discharging the batteries. When octopus takes control and override the charge to use grid power, the batteries have no way of distinguishing what's evse load and what's house load, so will discharge into the car regardless. No amount of CTs or software on an EVSE can prevent the batteries being discharged while simultaneously allowing charging from the grid. Either the EVSE load needs to be wired so it's outside the metered zone for the batteries, or the batteries need to control their discharge
@@hypervoltev so how does that work? Because the way I see it, and the way every other EV charger works is they prevent the battery export by reducing the charging output. As a result, the "boost"/"intelligent" charge command that comes from octopus will result in zero charge unless there's surplus generation as any grid demand will be matched by the battery (and therefore reduce the charging output down to zero) or, the way every other EV charger on the market works, is it ignores the "don't discharge the battery" logic and charges from the grid as planned, with the inevitable side effects that the battery will try and offset this load. Appreciate you can't give technical details, but what is the behaviour of the charger when octopus schedules a charge in battery safe mode?
450mm of the finished floor minimum for any electronics, 350mm in from any corner. The TSLA powerwalls look terrible so close to the floor let alone the code isnt met. I would get you to raise them up to 550mm minimum or forever be un happy with that.
Incorrect. Electrical sockets, switches and other electrical control devices should be a minimum of 350mm from corners of a room and 450mm from the floor. This does not cover batteries.
if people woulld have clue what they are talking about ! The wallbox available are 2000€ pllus and the cars have a limited amount of V2H charging capabilities. All the VW ID Skoda Seat Audi cars are limited to 10.000 kWh discharging to the grid only. Why `? Due to wear and tear of the cars electronic. Discharging means heat and heat makes electronic car parts aging sooner. VW does not want to pay the bill. Do you know the price of an eGOLF inverter exchange ? A danish owner out of warranty had to pay 5000€ and I bet your thoughts will stop once you do the math: 2000€ for the charger and maybe a repair bill of 5000€ for a car that can not discharge more than 10000 kWh in its lifetime. Check the new lease contracts. You are leasing a car for x years and maybe 60000 km but then you will get only 1/3 of the 10.000 kWh for discharging too in the contract. You do not get that for free and unlimited. The charger will not last forever so maybe 2 x 5 years a lease car would run in your garage. But that would mean maybe 10.000 kWh in 10 years for 2000€ charger so 20 Cent per kWh just for the discharging function ... and if you had to pay for the kWh saved in the cars battery for example in the noon from the PV system, then you would have to calculate the money you would have made from feedin like here 8 Cent. On top for the round trip maybe 20% losses (home to car - car to home). Then the price for the kWh would be 9,8 cent pllus 20 Cent for the wallbox which then has to last 10 year or more. You can only win in extraordinary situations . Here we are buying LFP batteries for such case and connect them to the PV system. 15 kWh costs about 1500€ right now in germany as a kit out of 16 EVE MB31 cells with 15,8 kWh and a metal case incl. 200 A BMS which means a discharge capacity of 10 kW for a single battery or in parallel. But V2H is dead before it has been born. Everyone needs a new charger ... and I can do it on my own, but the avaerage will have to hire an electrician and pay a fortune on top. 2000€ for the charger and 400€ or more for replacing the old one, maybe 200€ for the software configuraiton on top. Do not buy a car has been selected by a filter like "supports V2H"
@@typxxilps Long comment for sure but very little accuracy in it. As to what role a vehicle's inverter plays in a DC to DC VtG system is beyond a mere mystery. The physics of the 'discharge overheating' in the rather pedestrian flow of power in VtG mode when compared to that used say, whilst being used as a car, is another unusual take on reality.
Hej jeg er en gut fra Danmark Jeg håber du kan oversætte via Google Translate. Jeg ser meget interessant på det engelske elsystem og den måde du arbejder på det ser skide godt ud. Du snakker meget om disse micro inverter Hvordan får man det til at fungere når vi her i Europa og Danmark har altid tre faser i hver husstand så er det ikke nemt at fange den fase der bruger mest strøm. Erik 👍👍
Blimey. Hate to think how much this lot would cost to install. £16,000 for the Powerwalls?, £6,000 for the solar? plus probably another £2,000 for the other stuff? Return on investment - a lifetime 😂 Not being bias as I have a Powerwall with 3 panels (saved paying 20% VAT at the time) which I use to charge at night (current 9.5p kWh) and use during the day. 5 years on my saving is about £3,600 so maybe 30 years or so to payback the system in this video?
@@JohnR31415 Yes I agree that there are savings to be made. I have a airsource heatpump which can average about 500 watts on tickover. In the Winter it can use about 8kwh a day outside of my nighttime reduced rate. My single Powerwall will cover some of that but this will vary day by day depending on what else I am doing. So in my case adding an additional Powerwall and/or solar panels etc is a rather expensive way of covering thought full-rate hours.
10:25 surely if you trick the system into an EV being attached and use the Cheap 7p tariff octopus will eventually do you on the “fair use” policy after a while… and you’ll end up ruining the system for everyone in the long run 🙈🤔
Exactly this. There's already rumours that octopus will be changing the terms that its only the EV that will get the cheap rate outside the off-peak window, not the whole house as it is now
@@007silverwings all energy will be billed at normal rate and then a credit applied for the energy reported as delivered by the EVSE or the car. That's how suppliers like OVO do it
@@artisanelectrics Poor build quality, the black plug holsters go grey/white after a few years, the white covers go yellow. If they go wrong they take ages to sort it out. Support staff don't know what they are doing. No 3 phase unit, no remote ct.... That's why....Zappi or Easee all the way...
Mate you do chat a lot shitttt you tell us which charger is the best on market more times I’ve had hot dinners make your mind up how much they paying you for this add 😂😂😂😂
This sounds great, but is very complicated for the average person to understand. A lot of expensive kit to install and purchase. What would the payback period actually be for an average family?
@@artisanelectrics you use the term far too often and I simply watched that after you had done a review of five of the besst which are now what ? And the worst: these are not even the best solutions cause you ignore the software based solutions which are manufacturer independent like evcc. We do not care about the eco systems of the inverter sales guy or the wallboy guys or the battery brand. We buy what we think is the best and evcc and modbus will do the trick under the "mothership" homeassistant. Growatt Inverter, Eastron Smartmeter, JK BMS with EVE MB31 cells (16 kWh), Pulsar Plus from WALLBOX as wallbox - quite a lot of brands but each for the purpose one of the best like the Growatt SPH 4600 as low volt hybrids. 3 of them in a cascade and you get a fully 15 kW setup which I can scale up and down from 9 to 18 kW by software configuration. Each of those with a 15 kWh battery for how much ? 1600€ each and if you buy 48 kWh or 3 of them then 1500€. 3 packs with inverter for 2500€ incl. battery. At the end a far cheaper solution than what all the electrician had to offer. Those can sell 1 brand only solutions but not the best of the best cause they simply do not have the knowledge nor the experience to deal with multiple brands, They usually have just 1 main brand and second as alternative they do not like to sell except they can make more profit. Our market has evolved quite fast during lock down and people do the things on their own with the help of good electricians they do know well.
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The Hypervolt Home 3 Pro - www.hypervolt.co.uk/products/home-3-pro/overview
As someone who has the V2 which has the same problem as this, I'm looking at moving away to another charger, the big issue is the local control/access twice now when Hypervolt's servers have been down i've been unable to control my charger whatsoever to manually initiate a charge
Great install, I have an Easse charger and I use the scheduling function to take advantage of the Octopus GO tariff of 8.5p per KWH for 5 hours per night
It no doubt will be this week until you do a follow up on another manufacturer next week … make your mind up
I like it when they tickle the boxes.😯
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Really good review ill keep the Hyper volt in mind. As I had my Tesla back in 2014 finding any charge point at all back then, in fact charging anywhere here in the UK at home or road was like the wild west. I engineer in big auto with EV systems so I ended up making my own charge point back then. 10 years later Ive still got the same charge point, same 150,000 mile car (I may be one of the first to actually wear out a type 2 plug ! ) Decent solar integration is taking place with the Hyper volt, I may at last be tempted to change my charge point. Currently on EON Next Drive Fixed V3 tariff. Cheap rate 12.00 midnight to 7 am @ 6.9p/kWh, I often trickle charge off the solar at 5A (2 miles an hour but if cars sitting there and its free than 20+ miles a day) ........getting real cheap to run EVs at last.
love fitting a hypervolt. great bits of kit
Great video. I've just updated from the Hypervolt 2 to the 3 Pro. Had internet hard worked after WiFi hassles with the 2. I was not sure it was worth it but after setting up octopus Intelligent I'm chuffed. Can wait to have a bit of sun too check the battery safe mode, but may have to wait for Spring here in the west of Scotland!
I've got this exact set up, but with the Zappi and Alpha Battery. So less about the products, more about the thought and strategy that has gone into the install
What would be useful is a super budget install video, that includes PV panels, battery and EV charger point.
This looks great, big up for Hypervolt 🎉
high-quality installs all round, Neat!!
Octopus Intelligent Go tariff provides cheap power at other times, not just 23:30 - 05:30. You might want the batteries to fill at these other times which tend to be early afternoon in the summer when there is plenty of grid solar about and when it is windy during the week ends throughout the year. With new wind farms coming on stream this autumn there could be more cheap power particularly when SSE have reconductored their Grid lines running down the east coast of Scotland from Kintore (Aberdeen) where constraints occur.
How do you setup the battery safe mode with a hybrid inverter? Where do you place the second CT clamp?Particularly the Givenergy kit.
Great video, I enjoyed this
The 'ultimate' charger would have a retractable cable reel. Unreal we have to deal with unweildy cables flopping everywhere.
Just don't buy the Ultra white version because it turns yellow after 9 months which Hypervolt said isn't covered under the warranty.
Can you guys get your hands on the Sigenergy products? Love to see you do a video on that system. Thanks.
Octopus Go - the night rate applies to all your account consumption car, washing machines etc. Charging via Octopus is a favor to Octopus as you can always schedule the charge of the car to between 11:30 and 5:30!
It's missing the most important thing, local access with a documented API. This is just another cloud connected piece of e-waste.
Are there any chargers that actually have a documented local API?
@@Aphova yes, in germany you can buy an open source wallbox called open WB .
You can decide if you want a cloud based service or not. If not no one cares.
We have a Pulsar Plus from the manufacturer WALLBOX and we use EVCC as opensource software which runs manufacturer independent.
We have a VW, a Seat, a Pulsar Plus, an Eastron Smartmeter, Growatt inverter and EVE battery with JK BMS and on top a french heatpump for warm water.
But everything works together under Homeassistant and evcc.
What extra features does that allow?
Have to agree, any charger that can't be integrated into a household home automation system in this day and age is useless. Another brand that meets this requirement and pretty much has all the smarts is Indra (UK based). Additionally needs to support the OCPP standards which Indra does and the hypervolt does not!
At least go-e chargers. The documentation is even freely available on the website.
Your wonderful "battery safe" mode is very limited in what it can actually do. The best it can manage is to detect when the battery is trying to supplement the power whilst it is doing diversion of excess solar. The EV charge point then slows down the EV's charge rate to get the battery to stop again - that's it.
The real problem is when the EV is charging at full speed - 7.2 kW or so. For that the extra CT clamp is no help at all because the charge point has no way of controlling what the batteries do. The correct solution (regardless of what kind of charge point you're fitting) is to connect the charge point *outside* the area which the batteries try to power. In the case of a Powerwall that means connecting the charge point between the Powerwall gateway and the grid supply.
This is part of the basic planning which should be done before any battery installation. It's amazing how many installers don't do it.
get evcc for free and then it is part of your daily decision . search for evcc and you will find the details for an independent soultion.
How do you charge from solar in that set-up?
@simoncoles2463 still works the same - your EV solar CT clamp still goes on your outgoing supply, so when the charger senses you are exporting surplus it knows to start charging.
OR - have an automation system that detects EV charge power and reconfigures the batteries.
I use automations in Home Assistant to disable battery discharge when my car is charging. This obviously also means that the house is pulling from the grid rather than the battery but this usually happens during the small hours anyway when its cheap rate electricity and limited house use.
Your solution is fine but not optimal
@@thabo5799 Its not. But it’s cheaper than paying the money to ditch a perfectly good HyperVolt 2 to upgrade to the v3.
Great video, I don't see you covering Ohme but as I have an Ohme Pro EV charger and are very happy, I assume it is good as well. As I have PV, 25kW batteries, I don't want my PV to go into my car as exported I get 15p/kW. Just to make my point that I only want the car to be charger at the IOG tariff over night. (just my 2 cents)
Zappi has had an avoid discharge mode since day dot.
Exactly - finally Hypervolt does everything Zappi can do plus way more and is better quality and looks better!
This is partially correct. Hypervolt further allows you to distinguish between SuperEco and BatterySafe, so you can if you want use the battery, with access to fine grained control. Additionally, it's possible to automatically schedule patterns, so the chargepoint can switch between the modes seamlessly and automatically. In fact, a different schedule and mode can be setup every 15 minutes if that's what customers want.
Great sharing
How can you buy the 2nd clamp? I'm getting one installed, was about to buy it tomorrow (sourcing it myself) so perfect timing. Thanks
Can a hyoervolt be retrofitted to an existing ac coupled battery solar system ? Using the additional CT to avoid battery draining into the EV
Yes!
can the hypervolt use a ct clamp to monitor the submain supply it is on? Ie: to avoid it overloading an existing supply to a garage at the end of the garden?
I’ve just got a V3 Pro for installed and it’s t only seems to be putting out a max of 6 amps, when I should be getting much more - any ideas what this could be? My M3P charges fine on 10a using the Tesla 3 pin charger and on Superchargers etc. Any ideas welcome!
How about a bi directional charger ?
Definitely something we will work on in the future! That is a completely new product that will come at a very different price point to an AC charger, but something we are keen to make part of our offering.
@@hypervoltevEnergy suppliers and DNOs should subsidise future bidirectional chargers, as everyone could benefit from having a giant virtual power station. 👍
Do all EV chargers fit all cars? Is it a case of picking the price you want to pay. Thinking about getting a charger before getting a car.
Just needs Vehicle > Home and Vehicle > Grid now please XD
Does anyone have an idea how much an install should be on average? I have ducting going from consumer unit box to top of driveway and a new large consumer unit. Would this be on the easier side for an install? Just not sure if I’m getting a good deal? Thanks
Do the battery stop clamps come with the pro 3 now as standard? About to have a hypervolt fitted and would be a great feature to have for my batteries so wondering if the installer would know to install this or not
You have to separate order a 2nd CT clamp simply ask your installer to do so.
@@hypervoltev thanks do you have a link to any information about it on your site as I want to read more about it
do you have a recommendation for an EV home charger that just simply charges the car that is well made and works well I really don't fret about anything I just want to manually connect my car and charge it ( a renault Zoe 50 2021 ) and manually unplug when done also where about in the UK are you, thanks
Hypervolt will do that job perfectly for you. All home chargers are required to be smart these days anyway so you won’t find a big standard charger without an app or internet connection but you don’t necessarily need to use those features. We are based in Cambridge but cover most of the UK with our partners network.
That's great as I'm in Manchester and need an installer. Thanks.
Is battery safe mode only an option with the newest hypervolt? I've got the V2 along with a AC coupled givenergy battery
Still not 3 phase though? I was interested in them when they came out but was told 3 phase would be coming! Other than that it seems great
No dual charger like the Evec unit, what are your thoughts on that?
Had major issues with the last Hypervolt, what can you expect if the electronics, supply connections are open the elements, unsure how they got any BS/IEC certification for that unit. Took me a few weeks for them to agree the return after giving them 2 chances to repair over a 4-month period. Out of pocket for the installation cost and removal by the electrician and charging the car at the local supermarket. My opinion, Hypervolt should have recalled the earlier version and sent the new IP65 unit free of charge as it was not fit for purpose.
Duty of care comes to mind !!!
are we aware of any other chargers on the Market that offer the 'Battery safe' function? i currently have an Ohme Home Pro charger and i am looking too add a solar array to my property with a Battery storage solution soon. I too would like to protect the batteries for home use during the day, i am not sure if my current charger provides that facility....would you recommend I consider upgrading to the Hypervolt Charger?
I've got a zappi, as you said in the round up. They build quality isnt the best shame as software very good.
I do agree with this
But it has a screen and can be controlled without internet
When can we expect the Anker X1 installation and review?
Loving the comments, everyone’s an EV expert 😂
If I just wanted a home Charger is the hyper volt still a good choice for a Tesla
Tesla owners make up the largest proportion of our customer base, so it's a pretty good choice, and works well with a Powerwall as well
I’m looking in to EV chargers but I have 3 phase electrics. Is there a similar option? This model looks to be single phase only. I have 20x 400w solar panels and want to make the most of the sun and not export it if possible.
Do any of the chargers integrate with Octopus Agile via their API?
Wo wo wo, another "ultimate" video. I think you need another editor and script writer
no, there is another one coming up soon , the final solution - another brand which had paid money or given them 10 wallboxes for free to make such video.
In answer to the question in the video title, no, of course not. Next week, month, year there will be another one along with more "features" that most users will not want and it will be hailed as the "Ultimate" charger
Whichever company next pays him a fiver to plug their product.
There are better tariffs out there now like Eon Next Drive. Longer cheaper off peak and better solar export.
Why does no one talk about the Eonnext EV tariff? 12 till 7 at 6.9p per kWh
Maybe they need to advertise better 😂
Do all customers of Octupus Inteligent Go can have this working with Hypervolt 3
Pro. I ready that thinks still in Beta version so only selected customers can use this integration.
I can’t find this version 6 anywhere what you on about?
I have two Powerwall an EV but now on my third yes third faulty myenergi Zappi chargers waiting three weeks for the forth. When Zappi works it does the same, when it’s working 😢😢
Does the Hypervolt allow you to set an export margin?
Yeah 👍 hence why it works with DC coupled batteries as well
I have a Tesla Powerwall 2 with Tesla M3LR car using a EO Mini Pro 3 charger on Octopus Intelligent Go & it never takes power from the battery when charging car ?
I don't know if you are aware that by using just 2 of the 4 pairs you limit the Ethernet speed to 10/100Mbps. Do the charger(s) support 1Gbps?
What's the charger going to need that much bandwidth for?
The comment around the 2 EVs charged with Intelligent go isn't strictly correct. You need to have at least one car that's compatible if you don't have a compatible charger. Howevrer, you will always get 6 hours a night at the cheap rate, even if you don't activate the intelligent charging feature that night. So a 2nd car could be charged using the standard window.
All the intelligent part does, is give Octopus the control of when it decided to turn on the cheap charging outside of those hours. In the majority of cases they will still charge your car overnight as this is when demand for electricity is at its lowest, and so cheapest. You fancy gadget may work at times but I don't believe it will automatically trigger cheap charging at anytime.
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Easier to just wire up the EV CU outside the power walls… how will you tell those that OI sessions are going on (I do it via home automation, which means the hyperbole measurement doesn’t matter)
Hypervolt still not do a 22kw model?
Car to home and car to grid capability: why aren't more chargers offering it? Why pay £15k for 27kWh of tesla power wall batteries when many new EVs now shipping with car to home technology and >70kWh batteries.
Zappi V2 does it all and their customer service is superb!
Na crap mate.
If using the batteries to make use of the cheap overnight prices. I cant see the point of having solar. The car and batteries will be on cheap rate over night. To use 18kwh a day in a home is unlikey without aircon/heat pumps.
At the video start you mentioned not using the battery for car usage due to the over cycling. So your saying not to charge a car via battery. Home usage is low without car charging. According to this video solar and battery is useless for car charging, car charging is 90% of energy usage in a standard home with a phev/ev.
do not forget that government looks for new money sources and that changing the accounting of your cheap elelectricity is the easiest way. And then you are screwed over night.
We have a 99,9% grid availablility. Power lines are mostly in the ground not like in the USA the mess with all the poles. And we pay for a kWh on the exchange about -5 to 30 Cent but have to pay on top grid fees of 20 Cent which all those parties get who are maintaining the grid.
Your days are counted where you can get electricity for free through the lines cause Brexit will cost a lot more and the government will realise how to make money . UK electricity prices are cheaper than in the EU. And here everyone has to pay the grid fees per kWh.
We get 8 Cent for a kWh we are feeding in regardless at what time - and for 20 years. But If I have to buy back 1 hours later I will have to pay the stock price and on top 20 cent fees.
If there is a lot of offshore wind in the north sea during night or winter then the price might be -10 cent which means I get 10 cent per kWh I take from the grid but still have to pay 20 cent for the grid, so at the 10 cent per kWh during these nights.
What is a "CT" ??
For a second I thought you were going to say that this charger is bidirectional...😕
Hey Myenergi, wake up and take notice!
Hypervolt is not visible in my Octopus app…
Update your app.. that seems to be an issue!
@@briangriffiths1285 nope, still not there. I think it is by invite only atm and has to be added by Octopus as part of the Beta testing program that is still underway
It will be in everyone's app very shortly, it's being progressively rolled out at the moment.
Not realy a good idea to mix the data and the CT connecting cable,it's not really segregated, i know its low voltage from the CT's but it goes inside the Distribution board!
Why are these wallboxes so expensive? Apart from the PCB , else inside is normal off the shelf items available anywhere. You don't need all this stuff.
I charge using a basic charger, Intelligent Go and my ID3 or Octopus switch on the power if free or low cost energy is available outside the normal off peak slot.
This fella can probably make his own for £150!
It’s important to understand that modern EV charging infrastructure, especially in the UK, is subject to stringent safety and performance regulations that simply weren’t a requirement with older, "dumb" chargers. The reason wallboxes seem more expensive isn’t just due to the components you mentioned, like the PCB. While some parts may appear basic, the integration of these components, along with necessary safety features and software, adds significant value.
Firstly, smart charging is now a mandatory requirement in the UK. This means chargers need to not only function effectively but also manage load balancing, avoid overloading circuits, and communicate with the grid in ways that older or basic chargers cannot. These smart capabilities prevent scenarios where the grid is stressed or where consumers incur high electricity bills by charging during peak hours. Chargers like those made by leading manufacturers are built with sophisticated algorithms for this very purpose.
Additionally, modern EV chargers come equipped with essential safety features such as PEN fault protection. This protection is vital for preventing electric shocks in the event of a broken neutral in the grid, which can be life-saving. There’s also 6mA DC leakage protection to detect even small current leakages and shut down the charger before they pose any risk. Features like thermal sensors help prevent overheating, and tamper-proof mechanisms ensure the charger isn’t compromised.
It's also worth mentioning that compliance with UK regulations, including active load management, adds to the overall costs of manufacturing these units. The combination of intelligent energy management, increased safety, and regulatory compliance means these chargers are far from “off the shelf” solutions.
While someone might be able to cobble together something basic for a lower price, it would lack these critical features and wouldn't be legally compliant or safe for use in today's environment. Ultimately, the higher price reflects the technology, safety, and reliability built into these devices, which are designed to protect users and optimize energy use.
@@artisanelectrics so in order to save some money I need a house with offstreet parking and a large garage, 1000's of pounds, worth of solar panels, multiple tesla powerwalls, inverters, endless controllers, complex and artisan type installation, months of admin, disruption, constant maintenance .... Think I'll keep the ICE car and put £60 in the tank every week.
I think to make miles per year in a cheap tariff, in a long term is cheap. If you can’t afford the investment….. just make the maths how much you spend in diesel/petrol in a year.
@@FirstLast-rh9jwthat's how we got in to this environmental mess. 😕
@@latinovk19it's not about the money, burning fossil fuels is destroying everything.
The dont sell in Denmark, is the re a similar product for the EU?
Why not put the EV charger before the gateway it has a curtail CT to save the DNO’s fuse not really a problem I use an Indra smart lux and my batteries can’t see it but integrated with HA I can see everything just need some more smart plugs, wish Indra would actually move there butts and integrate with octopus! Very poor show on Indra’s part for an expensive charger, I agree getting charger integration is safer than getting the car that integrates.
outdated cause you can get such modes for free using evcc .evcc runs on any tiny pc or raspi and is manufacturer independent.
It does not care about your wallbox, smartmeter and inverter cause it works with all of them . Customer decides to buy the best inverter like our Growatt SPH with EVE LFP batteries and a Pulsar Plus wallbox made by WALLBOX the inventor and owner of the term wallbox. And evcc manages how to use your surplus energy, when to start charging home battery and at what power level , when to charge the car and heat the warm water with the heatpump.
And on top we will use EOS, the energy OS also made in germany soon funded by a kickstarter campaign. And of cause charging the home battery during of peak hours or when the price on the stock is even negative is supported too. Most or all our devices are running modbus and that is what you need: 2 wires
Who cares?
I had a Polar charger fitted free 9 years ago it still works fine.
People care but that is great to hear that it is still working after such a long time!
Unfortunately this new CT is going to be completely useless when octopus takes control of the charging.
It's only function is to reduce the EVSE output to limit the charging to match the surplus generation and avoid discharging the batteries.
When octopus takes control and override the charge to use grid power, the batteries have no way of distinguishing what's evse load and what's house load, so will discharge into the car regardless.
No amount of CTs or software on an EVSE can prevent the batteries being discharged while simultaneously allowing charging from the grid.
Either the EVSE load needs to be wired so it's outside the metered zone for the batteries, or the batteries need to control their discharge
Fortunately not accurate, Octopus can schedule charging to work in BatterySafe mode if needed, we make this functionality available to them as well.
@@hypervoltev so how does that work? Because the way I see it, and the way every other EV charger works is they prevent the battery export by reducing the charging output.
As a result, the "boost"/"intelligent" charge command that comes from octopus will result in zero charge unless there's surplus generation as any grid demand will be matched by the battery (and therefore reduce the charging output down to zero) or, the way every other EV charger on the market works, is it ignores the "don't discharge the battery" logic and charges from the grid as planned, with the inevitable side effects that the battery will try and offset this load.
Appreciate you can't give technical details, but what is the behaviour of the charger when octopus schedules a charge in battery safe mode?
450mm of the finished floor minimum for any electronics, 350mm in from any corner. The TSLA powerwalls look terrible so close to the floor let alone the code isnt met. I would get you to raise them up to 550mm minimum or forever be un happy with that.
Incorrect. Electrical sockets, switches and other electrical control devices should be a minimum of 350mm from corners of a room and 450mm from the floor. This does not cover batteries.
Went to my Octopus App not showing the option to add my Hypervolt Pro 3 and neither my EV ionic 5…..anyone have the same issue?
We are rolling out to everyone throughout September, so not long now!
@@hypervoltevwill this appear in the Octopus App, or is there some other method for triggering the Intelligent Go wizard?
How much do Hypervolt pay you for constantly plugging their charger??
Still waiting for V2H
if people woulld have clue what they are talking about !
The wallbox available are 2000€ pllus and the cars have a limited amount of V2H charging capabilities. All the VW ID Skoda Seat Audi cars are limited to 10.000 kWh discharging to the grid only.
Why `? Due to wear and tear of the cars electronic. Discharging means heat and heat makes electronic car parts aging sooner.
VW does not want to pay the bill. Do you know the price of an eGOLF inverter exchange ?
A danish owner out of warranty had to pay 5000€ and I bet your thoughts will stop once you do the math:
2000€ for the charger and maybe a repair bill of 5000€ for a car that can not discharge more than 10000 kWh in its lifetime.
Check the new lease contracts. You are leasing a car for x years and maybe 60000 km but then you will get only 1/3 of the 10.000 kWh for discharging too in the contract. You do not get that for free and unlimited.
The charger will not last forever so maybe 2 x 5 years a lease car would run in your garage. But that would mean maybe 10.000 kWh in 10 years for 2000€ charger so 20 Cent per kWh just for the discharging function ... and if you had to pay for the kWh saved in the cars battery for example in the noon from the PV system, then you would have to calculate the money you would have made from feedin like here 8 Cent. On top for the round trip maybe 20% losses (home to car - car to home). Then the price for the kWh would be 9,8 cent pllus 20 Cent for the wallbox which then has to last 10 year or more.
You can only win in extraordinary situations . Here we are buying LFP batteries for such case and connect them to the PV system. 15 kWh costs about 1500€ right now in germany as a kit out of 16 EVE MB31 cells with 15,8 kWh and a metal case incl. 200 A BMS which means a discharge capacity of 10 kW for a single battery or in parallel.
But V2H is dead before it has been born. Everyone needs a new charger ... and I can do it on my own, but the avaerage will have to hire an electrician and pay a fortune on top. 2000€ for the charger and 400€ or more for replacing the old one, maybe 200€ for the software configuraiton on top.
Do not buy a car has been selected by a filter like "supports V2H"
@@typxxilps Long comment for sure but very little accuracy in it. As to what role a vehicle's inverter plays in a DC to DC VtG system is beyond a mere mystery. The physics of the 'discharge overheating' in the rather pedestrian flow of power in VtG mode when compared to that used say, whilst being used as a car, is another unusual take on reality.
No, this is not the ultimate charger. It doesn't have 3-phase charging. 🙂 Perhaps "ultimate" in the UK?
We personally believe it is the best one in the UK but what do you think is the best EV charging point?
Watch this space!
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It's NOT an EV charger, it's an EVSE, a glorified contactor with some protections and metering.
The actual charger is onboard the car.
You’re exactly right but most people know it as an EV charger which is what people search for on Google…
@@artisanelectrics and a relay costs £1000?
People need to know that they’re just a relay and a comma module that could be done on a Pi Pico…
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Hej jeg er en gut fra Danmark Jeg håber du kan oversætte via Google Translate. Jeg ser meget interessant på det engelske elsystem og den måde du arbejder på det ser skide godt ud. Du snakker meget om disse micro inverter Hvordan får man det til at fungere når vi her i Europa og Danmark har altid tre faser i hver husstand så er det ikke nemt at fange den fase der bruger mest strøm. Erik 👍👍
Interesting thanks. I had to laugh when with all the fancy wire strippers, you just take a pair of dikes and pull the insulation off like us DYI'ers.
Glad you had a laugh at our videos
I’d be amazed if your hack doesn’t violate IOG terms of service.
Yeah probably 😂
Ohme for software I believe is the pack leader in software but design 😢
Is this sponsored video?
Blimey. Hate to think how much this lot would cost to install. £16,000 for the Powerwalls?, £6,000 for the solar? plus probably another £2,000 for the other stuff? Return on investment - a lifetime 😂 Not being bias as I have a Powerwall with 3 panels (saved paying 20% VAT at the time) which I use to charge at night (current 9.5p kWh) and use during the day. 5 years on my saving is about £3,600 so maybe 30 years or so to payback the system in this video?
For many of our customers it’s not about the payback it’s about having a quality system that does what they want it to
Depends on your usage - if they’ve got a heat pump coming they’ll be saving an absolute fortune…
@@JohnR31415 Yes I agree that there are savings to be made. I have a airsource heatpump which can average about 500 watts on tickover. In the Winter it can use about 8kwh a day outside of my nighttime reduced rate. My single Powerwall will cover some of that but this will vary day by day depending on what else I am doing. So in my case adding an additional Powerwall and/or solar panels etc is a rather expensive way of covering thought full-rate hours.
10:25 surely if you trick the system into an EV being attached and use the Cheap 7p tariff octopus will eventually do you on the “fair use” policy after a while… and you’ll end up ruining the system for everyone in the long run 🙈🤔
Exactly this. There's already rumours that octopus will be changing the terms that its only the EV that will get the cheap rate outside the off-peak window, not the whole house as it is now
@@mattbeddw I wonder how they would do this. Just charge for anything over the 7kwh which the charger would pull?
@@007silverwings all energy will be billed at normal rate and then a credit applied for the energy reported as delivered by the EVSE or the car. That's how suppliers like OVO do it
I Do not agree with Elon Musk thoughts and comments, so I will never buy anything that his companies produce.
He's Jordan's hero.
There are many way better arguments for not buying Tesla than their CEO's opinions. Lack of QA, repairability, privacy, control over your own HW,...
Is it irony that Elon musk advocates free speech etc. that same freedom that you are using not to buy his products.
@@IDann1well like most free speech absolutists, his definition of free speech runs out once you disagree with him 😉
😂😂oh naw, I'm sure Mr Musk will now have a long, hard look at himself and change his ways.
I'm curious 🤔. What's he said you don't like?
Hypervolt are a joke
Why?
@@artisanelectrics Poor build quality, the black plug holsters go grey/white after a few years, the white covers go yellow. If they go wrong they take ages to sort it out. Support staff don't know what they are doing. No 3 phase unit, no remote ct.... That's why....Zappi or Easee all the way...
For a split second I thought you'd seen sense and packed EV nonsense in. Alas it's not to be.
@artisanelectrics nice screwdriver 😉
Mate you do chat a lot shitttt you tell us which charger is the best on market more times I’ve had hot dinners make your mind up how much they paying you for this add 😂😂😂😂
When was the last time I said a different charger was the best on the market?
Chill out fella, it's just a car charger😅
This sounds great, but is very complicated for the average person to understand. A lot of expensive kit to install and purchase. What would the payback period actually be for an average family?
@@artisanelectrics you use the term far too often and I simply watched that after you had done a review of five of the besst which are now what ?
And the worst: these are not even the best solutions cause you ignore the software based solutions which are manufacturer independent like evcc.
We do not care about the eco systems of the inverter sales guy or the wallboy guys or the battery brand. We buy what we think is the best and evcc and modbus will do the trick under the "mothership" homeassistant.
Growatt Inverter, Eastron Smartmeter, JK BMS with EVE MB31 cells (16 kWh), Pulsar Plus from WALLBOX as wallbox - quite a lot of brands but each for the purpose one of the best like the Growatt SPH 4600 as low volt hybrids. 3 of them in a cascade and you get a fully 15 kW setup which I can scale up and down from 9 to 18 kW by software configuration. Each of those with a 15 kWh battery for how much ? 1600€ each and if you buy 48 kWh or 3 of them then 1500€. 3 packs with inverter for 2500€ incl. battery.
At the end a far cheaper solution than what all the electrician had to offer. Those can sell 1 brand only solutions but not the best of the best cause they simply do not have the knowledge nor the experience to deal with multiple brands, They usually have just 1 main brand and second as alternative they do not like to sell except they can make more profit.
Our market has evolved quite fast during lock down and people do the things on their own with the help of good electricians they do know well.
There are better tariffs out there now like Eon Next Drive. Longer cheaper off peak and better solar export.