Questioning Valor: The Debate Over Rob O'Neill's bin Laden Claims with Matt Cubbler
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- "Questioning Valor: The Debate Over Rob O'Neill's bin Laden Claims" delves into the controversial narrative put forward by Rob O'Neill, the former Navy SEAL who asserts he was the one to kill Osama bin Laden during the 2011 raid. This segment explores the varying accounts and perspectives within the SEAL community, and the broader implications of claiming individual credit in a highly coordinated and secretive team operation. Through interviews, expert analysis, and a review of official statements, we aim to uncover the complexities behind this historic event and the ongoing debate over the veracity of O'Neill's claim, highlighting the importance of teamwork and the shadowy nature of military operations.
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The seals and marsoc guys that killed the green beret from 3rd group in Africa really bothers me.
Same
As someone who was attached to 7th SFG one two occasions (Korea and Afghanistan) and was also attached to a small TF run by a Seal team, I can say I was impressed by them all. However, I saw the effects of the SF guys having been through training where you can be “peered out” by being an asshole. Rangers and SF can go through the training and vote other guys out based on if they treat the others like shit or generally just don’t work well with others. It doesn’t happen often but it keeps guys from becoming jerks. To this day I’m still friends with a few SF guys despite not being SF myself. I did come across quite a few Seals and more than a few Marinea who were dickheads. But I never encountered a SF guy who gave anyone a problem.
@@americandissident9062I think honestly SF requires a bit more schooling and education. Their mission set is a little more philanthropic and tends to require and attract people with better motives. SEALs just want to kick in doors and blow shit up.
I guess another thing is that SF and Rangers don’t have a “rockstar” appeal to it. It’s just another job in the military, a cooler one but still within it.
Seals look at themselves as an autonomous fraternity more so than a unit under the DOD. The marketing for recruiting is attracting the wrong personalities
@fredred5037 something about Army and Marine Corps special units is that most are drawn from the ranks of the infantry or have to undergo the training before ascending the pipeline. The infantry, especially airborne or LRSC units have some incredible guys there who aren't even in special operations, so there's a goid pool to pick from. In the SEAL community, they draw strictly from feeder MOS that usually join with the intention of becoming a SEAL. There's no appreciation for being on the bottom as a private in the 82nd or the USMC. You ascend and are now considered the most elite of warriors.
I enlisted because of Pat Tilman. I'm proud of my service and most of the people I served with. Thank you for calling bullshit when many others have forgotten their oath.
I met Pat Tillman in 1998 at The Vet before an Eagles game. I was there to collect toys for Toys For Tots with 20-25 other Marines in our blues and our Corpsman in his blues. Of course, we were very early. It was drizzling and cold so to staff at The Vet let us in.
He was a class act. Our Corpsman went to ASU when Pat and Jake Plummer were there.
Doc saw Jake warming up and called over to him and Jake saw the crowd of us and ran to the locker room. Doc then saw Pat warming up with a teammate and called over to him. Pat and his teammate ran over to us. He introduced himself and shook all of our hands, he was very interested in us, why we enlisted, and how we liked being in the service. You know how kids look when meeting a professional athlete? That's how he looked while talking to us.
He was a really nice guy. I'll never forget the time I met him.
Tillman story told by big ARMA was & is a complete lie. Killed by his own. Friendly on friendly
We’re u there. Don’t drink the cool aid bro
Jay keeps proving himself to be a man of extreme honor. Not because he’s a Green Beret, but because it’s the right thing to do. I believe he’s a Green Beret, due to his honor.
And because of the DD214
@@GreenBeretChroniclesBecause if your honor, I don’t need to see your DD-214😊
@@GreenBeretChroniclesAlso, my uncle was a career Green Beret who retired from the old 12th SF Group. John Donovan, is the demo expert for Soldier Of Fortune Magazine. He’s the one who convinced me to become a Ranger.
@@philipdru9290have you got out or your still active?
@@GreenBeretChronicleslol
Bro for a min I was like how does Seth Rogen know so much about the SEALS
😂😂😂
😑
Glad you’re continuing to press these issues. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Clout chasing on guys who passed
I am a retired Army MEDEVAC and Air Force CSAR pilot. I can't imagine ever taking solitary credit for any mission. No one person does anything. It's a team effort!
To be fair. Every time Rob tells the story he speaks highly of the other rockstars on his team and says he just happened to be the “lucky” guy in the stack who shot Bin Laden.
I don't like how they speak on Chapman either yes the first part of the mission fell apart but that does not negate the fact that he earned the medal of Honor through some truly amazing selfless actions..so to me them having an issue with people recognizing Chapman for what he did somehow takes away from the mistakes made...it doesn't they are too seperate things but don't bury chapmans story under mistakes made earlier that makes no sense to try to take away from what that man did...he's a true hero
Hello brother, "Doc B" HHC 1-16 Infantry EVAC!
RIP
E.D. Case [SF] and James Lee [Rangers], your Iron Ranger medic brothers, will never forget you.
Thank you. Well f$&cking said. And these 2 idiots have nothing else better to do that to play arm chair detectives and pushing this conspiracy theory across the internet. Seal team 6 killed that bastard OBenliden. Case closed. Who cares
@@johnkarcis5142they weren’t speaking bad of chapmen. They were speaking bad of the seal that lied to command by telling them he checked Chapman and confirmed he was dead before going down the mountain and getting picked up. They later saw from the ifr feed, that he never checked Chapman, just assumed he was dead because “his laser was no longer moving” and went to exfil.
In addition, regarding John Chapman and Neil Robert's death on the mountain DEVGRU Ops Officer Syzmanski ordered the helo insertion on the X, despite daylight and despite Delta's success in their recce missions already in place after foot infiltration days prior. Pete Blaber who commanded these Delta AFOs advised Gen Trebon against the Seals joining late but he was shut down. He talks about this in "Men, Mission and Me". Slab followed orders from DEVGRU and the rest is history and the greatest heroism by Chappie. As documented, DEVGRU led the fight for Slab's MOH and stiffled Chappies process by the AFSOC.
Alone at Dawn is a great book
I am glad you suggested books to read.
From other books and interviews, it sounded like Slab did not want the Medal of Honor, and the BS came from the command. I've heard interviews that showed where Seals were told to tow the line or else by the command. And judging by the higher-up leadership and the actions and words of the joint chief I can believe that. They should be held accountable for not just the bs with the seals but more importantly, the withdrawal from Afghanistan. I can't believe that they are not all in prison along with the Biden administration. I'm not a Democrat or Republican nor a Trump or Biden fan. Frankly, they both are an embarrassment to our country.
Matt Bissonette tells his version well on his podcast with Jack Carr. Its been a while since i watched the podcast but I believe he says Red is the point man and Matt was the second guy through the door. His story of Red talking to Khalid is the best part and you can hear it in his voice when he tells the story.
Can you link me the podcast?
I was an infantry Marine for 8 years from 2001-2009. Did three combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan. We took great pride in being professionals and living up to the great history and honoring the traditions of the Marines that came before us. I really enjoy the way that you are teaching the importance of accountability. During the after action reports of every mission we talked about the positives for about a minute. The mistakes were always the longest part of the debrief even if they were just the smallest attention to detail. Only focusing on what was successful is going to give people that don’t understand the military a false impression of how things actually operate. Many situations that have ended in tragic results never address the failures that lead up to situations completely breaking down. I completely agree with what you are saying. Thank you for your service I always enjoy listening to other veterans talk about the experience they had.
The govt put O’Neill up the claims They wanted a face to go along with the story Needed a hero for the time Seal community was getting bad press and this hero story made them forget it
And you know this how? What do you have to back your claim?
“It’s Don Shipley Bro!” How he calls introduces himself to everyone lol
Matt im a fan. But rob didnt panic and switch any story. Dont embellish. It doesnt matter he never said certain things before. Hes never told the story to people calling him a liar. He told the story to reporters and shit. So sure youll get more detail from him.
Perfected lie detection simply through ques of body movements and facial expressions? Lol, ok...
Yep
Look what they did to mr ballen. The beat him up with a broom stick
Yuuuuup
What happened? Was it while he was in or out? He’s one hell of a story teller
Are you referring when they turned their backs and went in hard on him because he was initially talking about being a SEAL on his channel? He addressed that in an interview and then I also saw another interview where another SEAL stated that if they don't like a guy because he's not popular or doesn't join in socially much with the rest of the team, they tend to single him out and turn their back on him. He also suggested that it seems some don't like when someone like Mr. Ballen gets very popular and successful after leaving the teams. Instead of being supportive and having their back.
Mr. Ballen admitted he was never really a drinker and I think maybe that had something to do with the lack of socializing with his team, which many may already be aware drinking together is just part of the culture, when they are not training or getting ready for a mission. 🤔
Unless they literally DID beat him with a broomstick? Which I would not be that surprised about. Worse things have happened within the teams (or so I've heard).
That story should have remained confidential.
I agree
100%. Should have let the rumors and mystery run wild with no one ever knowing how Bin Laden died and who did it.
@@GreenBeretChroniclesjust like no one said who shot down Yamamoto in WW2
Seals aren’t capable of confidential like that. They’d get the trident tattooed on their forehead.
@@MM-qi5mklol the person who shot down Yamamoto is known though . He was given sole credit for rhe kill after originally sharing credit with another pilot . Lieutenant Rex D Barber shot down Yamamoto in his p38 and returned to base with over 100 bullet holes in his plane lol
A couple times he mentions Marcus, is he talking about Marcus Luttrel?
YES IT LOOKS THAT WAY REWIND THE TAPE AND LISTEN AGAIN
ST6 should not tell the names of people and where they are in any op. If O’Neil did not pull the trigger who did?
You guys have my utmost respect and honor. May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ bless you always. DOL, RLTW
Thanks
AMEN AMEN AMEN
What rob O’Neil is not telling the truth now either ? What about redmen ? U guys better hope you’re right calling out all these war heroes, Shipley who’s son has been to hell and back is full of shit to ? I think u got a problem with the success they got now . There all millionaires now .
His approach to questioning Rob was genius.
Was it because he kinda didn't say anything to his face then talked a bunch after
@@fishgang2023 That's called being tough now a days
Sir, you have love all the way from Michigan. Thank you for your service and for being a good role model we can all follow after and look up to
I appreciate that
Going after these guys is how you get unalived, good luck and be safe out there my guy, keep it up but be careful the mafia are saints compared to what that community will do to protect the brand
Man not wanting to be rude , but this all "season" of videos trashing USNS vets and active guys are just starting to look like a campaign to make them look bad ! Sorry but this is trashing people just cause what ??? It looks pathetic already !
Yeah so....Im wondering where your all season integrity is!
The official government story is inconsistent. If Bin Laden was killed at Abbottabad it was likely a permissive ingress. Also disposal of Bin Laden's body was witnessed by no one on the Carl Vinson aircraft carrier who is willing to say so. The story of a hostile ingress into Pakistan, and being chased by the Pak air force on the way out is not consistent with a US aircraft flying over Pakistan the next day on the way to the Carl Vinson in the Indian Ocean.
It wasn't Bin Laden that was killed. Osama died in Operation Anaconda in the mountains from kidney malfunction. No pictures, no videos, no public proof Bin Laden was killed in Abbotabad. All done to re-elect Barry Soetoro.
The antihero podcast explains it best about the difference in stories and about how they don’t match up. Whether we know who the shooter is or not, the inconsistencies in robs story make it easy to convince me otherwise that Rob did not shoot the initial shot into UBL
Oh you’re reasons for these accusations are a body language expert ? U seem like a hater to me
Not making any new SEAL friends with these new videos.. love it! Although honorable seals are probably applauding from the sidelines
Let me get this straight… When describing his "background in human behavior," dude really just qualified himself with the basis that perfected the skill from having an artistic brother with a stutter? Hope he never tried to tell a judge that 4:25… I’m not sure homie realizes that he can only tell the "approved story" that’s scripted down to the whole "last decency to hold her dress" sap
It’s sad that being a team leader in devgru and being on the raid wasn’t enough, he had to steal the credit too.
The navy isn’t putting a stop to it because there reading the script they was given
Ding ding ding
Yep
This guy talks too much. Just my .02.
Brother. I love your channel and it has become my favorite channel to watch recently. You are bringing out all the corruption I’ve seen over the years. This whole time I felt like I was alone and yelling into the wind. Thank you.
I have to say this take down effort of another soldier is really low. It just reeks of weakness and spite. Dissecting everything Rob O’Neill said as literal and infallible. At 18:19 Rob didn’t mean he said “okay I’m back.” What he was saying (and I’ve seen many of his interviews) was- he was thinking to himself “okay I’m back.” No place did he say he literally said it out loud. This one example is a microcosm of many digs at a guy who should be respected but isn’t. You both should recognize that your talk is shameful.
Need proof that Cubbler heard that debrief. Total bullfeces. His desire for retribution by “exposing lies” has a tainted goal.
Thank you
I personally can’t stand Matt for many different reasons. No way he heard the debrief.
Of course he didn’t hear the debrief of Neptune’s Spear. I agree with this man about almost all he is saying. The Job Price situation I can see that being a murder. But on one hand he’s talking about how he’s getting nowhere with the Navy, and in the next sentence he mentions that he heard the debrief of the most important mission in JSOC history. Yeahhhh sure you did…
He got some many facts wrong about Robert's Ridge, that he is either challenged as a researcher, or has ulterior motives
He’s full of it. He was part of the most corrupt organization in history Law Enforcement and how he can question anyone puzzles me
As a former Scout and have multiple tours and knows how it all works, I've never believed anything Rob has said..And as for Red Win 32:22 g I've always thought there is a lot of cover up in that operation. The seal community has gone total off the deep end in cover ups and more. I have no faith in todays leadership in the new woke military. Just look who is running the military. Look at Milley and Loyd Austin those 2 and others have single handedly destroyed the military. My LT in Iraq was SF and in 22 he died after getting his 2nd mandatory booster. Im so glad I was medically retired after multiple tours in 14.
I worked with a lot of the guys from 10th group at YTC and FTLewis training up the DEA. And all those guys were great to work with.
But I've never particularly cared for the seals I've meet. They always thought they were above everyone and could do what ever they wanted with no repercussions.
Your basically Infantry bro
@@jasonkav You're*
Damn you really just leaned into the cav scout meme.
Scouts out.
@@BigEdd420 Scouts Out.
The first thing I learned in the military was teamwork. It was pounded into our heads every day. Any vet that steps out from his unit to take credit, is a vet I’d never have on my team
The SEAL community definitely eats their own! I wonder how Red feels about Rob?
Yep,
Seals, all respect to them, are generally not “quiet” professionals.
@@americandissident9062not quiet, recruiting tool to get people on ships.
@@jrodgers211 That’s not what’s happening.
Maybe it peeved him at first. I would say he probably could care less. His team knows the truth and that's all that probably matters. The solid work continues.
I Understand That Out Of Respect And Honor O’Neal Should Not Claim Some He Didn’t Do Jay … I Also Feel As Though This Man Has His Own Motive And Will Destroy Anything That Gets In Way To Get It And Doesn’t Care Or Respect Any Channel He’s On He Use Them As Stepping Stools And I Can’t Respect That !!
#facts
What you said, I hear it at full volume. There way too much emotion in his voice fir it to ever be a case of “ I don't care” or I don't have a vested interest.
While I don't believe Rib O’Neal for a hot second, this man is very emotionally vested.
I'm surprised to hear him call out Jocko and Lutrell - he never did say why he was calling out Jocko.
I think that the answer lies with who ever was in the command and higher up. O’Neal strickes me as some one too egotistical and well a gold digger to say no to the command and stand up for what is right.
Wouldn’t likely be talking about this if the 2001 administration let Delta go across the border and come back down the mountain in Tora Bora.
You mean Operation Anaconda? Which included 82nd Airborne, Delta, CIA and Northern Alliance. My son served on that mission and were told to stand down when they had Bin Laden in their sights close to the Pakistan border!
I remember the first time I heard Rob O’Neil’s account of the events on the OBL raid on the Adam Carolla podcast. He said some things that didn’t add up to me especially when Rob was saying when they were breaching the door he was worried that would blow their cover, AFTER the helicopter had crashed in the yard. I would have thought a crashed helicopter would make a lot of noise no matter how stealthy it was. Something about the story didn’t sit right me especially how the rest of the team, that didn’t retire and write a book, were stuck on a helicopter that got shot down.
Breach his position inside the house
And how O'Neil was pulled off that helicopter just before it left. Strange how that happened
Seems this new breed of SEALs not only glorify failure..?? But they FALSELY glorify some team member KNOWING it's to cover up a wrong??!! To brush it under the carpet!!!! Shocking & sad!!!! From UK!!!!
Take all of this with a real pinch of salt. A lot of this is total bullshit and factually incorrect. They’re doing it for profit and to make money and bang the drum.
Just goes to show ya even macho military dudes engage in childish internet drama
“These are guys he’s worked with and lived with and killed with for years.” One Exception: Air Force Combat Controllers or PJ’s or certain other enablers (EOD, translator/cultural specialist, etc). Even then, this enabler would have been with them for a few months and Rob would have been aware of who he was and what he was doing.
Great show guys, keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Cop who probably never fired his weapon always wants to talk about someone else’s service 😂😂
Takes about a 5 sec search to see this guy is a veteran.
I love when people that weren’t there think they know what actually happened hopefully this guy is a retired cop could you imagine him pulling you over
@@raphmaster23 so was I what does that mean ?
@@babber2257 you sound like a clown. Go find something productive to do.
Good job on your 12 likes. Another ignorant you tube jagoff
Great content Brother's 👍
Long retired as an Aidman and, am always interested in the facts of any matter.
The person nickname is Red, the Real Deal. The other teammates who were there really knows who the lead was and I'm pretty sure the point man would shoot first, before any other seal that entered.
YOUR VERY RIGHT
@@bobwaldman9996 But the past is the past and nothing can be done about it, unless you can travel through time. lol. it's possible?
Great work Matt. Wish you all the best w the CDR. Price coverup. Based on his body language Robbie would've blown up a lie detector psshh. Red is the man as Matt B. is quick to acknowledge.
Whats wrong is that not many people give credit to the special operations helicopter pilots that flew at tree top levels and dropped the operators at the compound!
Night stalkers! Those guys rule! They will take off in any weather for any situation! Best in the world!
I DO THOSE PILOTS WERE SUPER HEROES AND THEY DONT WANT FAME BECAUSE THE TERROR CREEPS WOULD WANT TO KILL THEM
It just sounds like you don't like special operators angry red head
Marcus can't tell the same story twice. He says he had a broken back and couldn't walk . But he walks 5 miles or wat ever in his story . Either u can walk or can't walk wat is it .
FYI, A chiropractor broke my back, I’ve had several surgeries. The last one was a global fusion on 3 levels. Once I was past the first stage of healing my therapy was to walk. Started very slowly but walking was my therapy. Eventually I was walking 4 miles a day. So both things can be true, you can have a broken back & you can walk.
But I don’t know about Marcus or the rest of his story.
Something happened that they have collectively agreed not to talk about. I can’t say I’m upset about it but I’ve done a lot of CQB, Entries, etc. stories are stories. They exist to motivate the people who think they can obtain this super hero like aura. Recruiting tool. I met Chris Kyle. His story was just a story. 🤷🏿♂️
Jay, you have my respect for covering this subject. It's a touchy subject with most Americans. I remember the messed up photoshop image of dead Bin Laden on the news when this was happening. In the book, they said Bin Ladens head was cracked in half and they had to mush it back together to take conformation pictures. It didn't make sense. The whole burial at sea to keep him from being a martyr? my Muslim friends said that's the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard. Just lots of weird shit
It’s because Osama bin Laden had been dead for years and the Corrupt Barry Sotoro aka Barack Obama administration needed a win so they faked bin Ladens death. There was a Pakistani parliament member, who was a woman that gave an interview for the news saying bin Laden had died a few years earlier from complications from diabetes. She was found deceased a week later. The Whole World Is A Stage…
lol 5000 people on a boat no ones ever said a word about it and i just dont believe they had a imam in the ship
@@GATOR_MCLUSKY Rob just canoed ol' Bin's dead head in half, meaning not only he didn't kill him but made it much more difficult to positively identify who it was.
A Chaplain is somewhat of an expert in all religions. The chaplain could have served as the imam. Highly unlikely, but not zero percent.
Is Matt going to investigate dan Crenshaw
Nah.. not enough clout and social currency talking about him. Rob’s name is the only thing getting him on podcast so he can continue this “look at me look at me” tour. Dude is doing the same thing, probably more so then what he claims Rob is doing
I believe Mark Owen’s story on 60 minutes the most 👍👍👍
If O'Neal didn't get him why hasn't anyone that was that was on the mission actually gone on recorded and say no he didn't do and this person did plus this guy even says the only reason he's going after O'Neal is to get the attention of the seal brass to open up his friends murder case so this is just some grandstanding for attention so how am I supposed to believe someone calling someone a liar just for the attention to bring your friends death up
For the same reason no one called out that Marcus Lutrell ran away from the firefight, and Chris Kyle's stories about killing 1 million insurgents are bulls#1t. Navy doesnt want to stain the brand
SMH so why keep saying he doesn’t care but then he cares about the story not adding up? . It sounds like he wants to be argumentative lol.
It said he was Law Enforcement, like doesn’t he go this hard at investigating these bad Law enforcement stories???
Thin let red .. come out . His family has the channel .. let him of his family you tube come out .. I get it .. rob . But 100% I was there in a building. And she ask who did it . Only 1 said I did .. no one at that time said anything . I was there on contract with DOD … halo crash info.. so let C. L. E or D.. j clean it up . Till thin …all hear say
Will you guys ever talk about william lavigne?Delta guy kills a GB then gets murdered with someone else on base??how does that happen?to me a bigger story then who killed a sheetbag we all wanted gone anyway....
The delta guy clear murdered his GB friend.. him and his warrant officer partner in crime were murdered by a 23 year old drug dealer. The guy was just arrested
I really want to hear more about Lavigne.
Thanks Matt, I am though troubled by why there are versions, plural, as to who made the actual kill shot on OBL, add to that why supposedly the Navy nominated O’Neill to play the role of the hero who shot OBL, consider this fact, all of the MOH awards and the facts designating who actually took part in recognizing these brave men who became Medal of Honor recipients, since Audie Murphy, leading up to present day, the facts here as to what EXACTLY happened in getting OBL, is amazing as to the versions and confusion in the reporting of this great US Military tactic, and the annoying part that O’Neill took such great satisfaction in taking the credit for being the guy, apparently he has an ego that overrides his conscience! I am a Vietnam veteran and I find this explanation of the take down of OBL to be very disturbing!!!
I was a LRS guy, and I have questioned most of the youtube seals especially luttrell story, it has a lot of holes.
Jay and Matt,, please keep up the good work i respect you both 🇺🇸
I am all about band of Brothers. I completely understand however, I also know that you never leave someone behind. It’s damaging to unit morale and also has the effect I’m not making people want to fight. The same thing with saving someone from a very bad, sucking chest wound, helping them within the golden hour. If marines, sailors, airman, or soldiers know that their brothers will be there regardless then they will all fight with happy hearts. But now it seems that the military is nothing more than crabs in a bucket, and that’s because the genie of the sign of professional was led out of the bottle. There’s so much that I would like to say
You’re sullying your reputation! Another one to add to Stolen Valor and Valor Embellishment, is petulant professional jealousy! It should be beneath you bro… you’re sullying the green Beanie!
So much Navy Seal meat riding
I admit I'm loopy from lack of sleep but this comment had me absolutely cracking up! Yes, the unit has tons of fanboys.
Yo bro do Marcus literal next! Many look holes and inconsistencies in his story. From how many enemies were there to the ranger QRF saying Marcus haven’t fired a single shot and had all his ammo and gear when they found him
Anti-hero podcast covered it, not long ago, goes into detail exposing the truth
@@stucan8451 yeah I saw. It’s crazy bro 🤦🏾♂️
@c.b.2838 yea, I always thought the story was a bit off, certainly a bit too 'Hollywood' but never thought it would have been off to that extent
Dude if that whole story was a lie and Marcus ran explain all his injuries documented facts explain why he wasn’t forced to medically retire no seal would work with him again if he left his team to die fact they would have pulled his trident fact he was in fact promoted to CPO 1st class and made team leader at seal team 5 Charlie platoon and led men into the most dangerous place on earth in 2006 in Iraq doesn’t sound like he ran away to me also the enemy numbers the video that showed 10-12 men if you understood the language they were coordinating with several other teams of probably 10-12 men maybe 5-6 teams it was a well planned well executed ambush in their back yard the seals never stood a chance once discovered
Again to all y’all that are complaining no one is above criticism including special operations
conspiracy theorists.
You know your brothers just by the way they walk and carry themselves.
Don Shipley is a renowned ST6 DEVGRU "Green Team" operator at that time but it's confirmed he was not on that mission by dozens. He is not "Red" the point man, who pretty much killed everyone in that three story from floor 1 to 3. The true RED will probably never come to light. That dude doesn't want to be known to anyone so the few people from ST6 who know, will never give him up because he was the best of them. Red was probably Rob O'Neil. He had red hair. The plot thickens
It's always struck me that everyone says Red killed him and it's logical to me that Red is O'Neill since he's a ginger lol
I kinda feel for the followers of Rob, but social media is the same in every other way. You can literally post a video of a person eating shit and the next day there will be 1537 new videos of people eating shit.
When I learned cqb if you fire shots you follow those shots so you can confirm what you hit. I just find it weird that if the point man fired rounds through the "olive drab curtain " he would have been the 1st through.....
I don't think I've ever seen a Taliban, AQ or ISIS podcast with guys arguing with each other about who killed who and who's making money of what. This is ridiculous. Makes the SOF community look like a bunch of 12 year old girls. Its pathetic. In my humble opinion...
No. It’s bigger than that. People died for this stuff ,& monopolizing off lies is a slap to their faces.
@@GasBrakeSim that's beside the point!! The point is You don't air all this dirty laundry in public! We're supposed to be better than that. WTF is going on? This is crazy. Never in the history of SOF which goes back to the days of the OSS if not further have we seen this kind of bullshit. Again this is my opinion. I you disagree, that is definitely your right.
After every mission that includes raids, ambushes, reconnaissance, hostage rescue etc the Team conducts an immediate Hotwash/debrief. Each member openly contributes to it and discusses their part and even tells if they failed or that they need improvement on their TTPs. Killing or capturing UBL was the main target and the singular focus/decisive action of this mission. The DEVGRU Squadron/Team would have confirmed this during the hotwash and O'Neill would have claimed then that he killed UBL, period.
Great podcast and keep up this important investigation!!
Are you current or former SpecOps?
Ok? Yea everyone in the military does after action reports. Cool. What’s your point lol
He plays a lot of COD
Red Is The Real deal
Honestly were you there? Who cares
I’m watching this 6 months later. Who is the seal who was supposed to come out on antihero podcast in 3 weeks?
Matt, something you said on here really pisses me off, but it is 100% true. You are completely correct about Lt Cmdr Price’s situation receiving zero exposure or past interest.
i don't get how someone can blatantly lie knowing that some people know they are lying and they still rock it?
Joe Rogan " Everyone needs a friend to call them on their stupid shit"
I DONT GET IT ALSO IT HURTS ME THAT ROB WOULD LIE LIE AND LIE
I’m convinced that the bad guys know Rob O’Squeel didn’t kill OBL, otherwise, he’d be dead by now…IMHO.
Give the people what they want and haven't heard before - the scoop on Jocko.
Do elaborate. This sounds juicy
Huh?
A guy who talks tough but would never dare say anything controversial at the risk of losing his endorsements/products
Thank you for bringing a different opinion/perspective on some of these SEAL stories...and I don't mean paperbacks.
Keep in mind fellas, how do you think the basic level infantry feels when they get NJPed for the slightest transgression? Infantry carries out plenty of difficult missions. Every operator or officer that takes a bullet for their country gets at least a bronze star. I’ve seen infantrymen take a bullet in a combat related friendly fire incident and not be given a purple heart. I’ve known POGs in such fierce fire fight that by the time it was over they were pulling enemy shell casings out of their gear, and the highest award handed out was a single NAM with a V. Special operations get special privileges I get it but What do you think the effect on military enlistment across-the-board is when this kind of bullshit is found out and/or observed?
I laugh when I come across these shitty podcast 🤣😂🤣
I'm almost willing to bet that JSOC SOCOM SOCCENT CENTSOM and obviously way higher all got together and said "hmm..no one really wants to say much about this but there is ALWAYS ONE! SO who has a mouth and too much hubris on this team that can be our poster boy 🤔....O'NEAL IT IS! give him his script! Watch the enlistment/retention rates soar!" I bet it is something along those lines and I've thought that for years.
Matt, does the 27 year Seal vet you mentioned have the initals E.D.?
Sure is alot of tough guys in these comments that say what they would do in battle from the comfort of their couch! I promise you have no fkn idea what you would do when your pinned down and out gunned in real life! Its a whole different ball game when the leads flying!
It’s just opinions no proof from your side as always where are the proof dude?
Exactly
They literally just make shit up this guy trying to trying to act like he's a human lie detector
And here I thought serving in a mechanized scout u it and getting my regular forces tab was ehhh. I’m glad i got out and kept pushing to become a valuable asset in the civilian sector to the point where my senior leadership during my time in, reaches out to me to either ask for advice or just shoot the $hit and talk about post military life. It’s bad enough we have people in pop culture getting exposed and now we got special operation communities going at it. I am just glad the people I personally know (seal classmates and former platoon leader that was a green beret, whatever group that is based out of ft. Lewis) in that community staying far away from social media that deals with the military. They are more focused on wanting to transition into a successful civilian.
I’ll just stick with Mr Ballen! 😊
I wanna know the truth behind Pat Tillman. I'm sure his family does also. It sucks that instead of being honest to a point and sharing what they can about the other side of all these incidents. I never would've thought that behind every story was 2 sides regarding the GWOT
Is it possible the government told all involved this is the story, o Neil you’re it and this is exactly how you tell the story?
I watched Rob tell his story on the Shawn Ryan show and could tell he was lying by the way he was trying to make himself look cool like he some kind of badass.
How come Marc Bissonette does not come out and debate Rob? Or at least get his story out besides the 60 mins interview
What about the Pat Tillman cover up???
Please do one on marcus luttrel. That story has driven me nuts forever. I think that man ran from the beginning. He couldnt even tell the rangwrs where his team died at.
There is also more than meets the eye to the EDDIE GALLEGHER story. No one ever gives the other guys a chance to speak about it on all the major podcasts. Gallagher screwed over a bunch of new guys and ruined their reputation to protect his own a$$... Those guys that have been demonized by NSW need a platform and need to defend themselves.
There is more than meets the eye. Eddie G is completely innocent of everything he was accused of, despite NCIS and the NAVY itself doing the most shady illegal shit I ever heard of. Including trying to bug his lawyers email! Just watch The Shawn Ryan Shown episode with Eddie G and everything is explained in there.
They had a chance to speak in court.
@@jessolson-p2w Awesome. SO now content creators who claim to want to hear both sides of the story can start inviting them on so that their side of the story can actually beheard, You have to be stupid to think that anyone s going to go out of their way to hear what they said "in court" after the aggressive smear campaign that has taken place against them. People have made their decision on what they think of those guys before ever even hearing them and you know it.
@@deenixon3225 And you know exactly what happened? How tf do you know any more than me or anyone else? You must watch to many movies. Smear Champaign my ass.
He screwed over a bunch of new guys 😂😂😂 watch the documentary called the Line they were proven to have created a false story to get him kicked off the team there’s actual proof they were upset because they wanted the seal title but didn’t wanna do seal shit Eddie was out on patrol 7 days a week he let them do a week on week off rotation to give them time to train as a few of them were screening for green team after their tour watch the documentary dude it will answer all your questions
You guys act like you've never seen Commander McBragg -- Khyber Pass. I encourage you to watch this podcast on youtube before proceeding. It will assist the perspective. Great vids and interviews, Jay. Keep up the great work!
I have to say I never served in the military and I even had reservations about his story the first time I heard it. He just seems fake.
P.S. I love what yall are saying at the end. It is 100% true! However it needs to be across all branches regardless of the MOS. I understand fully that the communities are small as hell and can see what is wrong and is what's right a bit easier than lets say just the 11B/11C communities. People pleaae shed light on what ever is TRULY fucked up in your community or command etc. If you are a young buck do it the right way as you know or should know! And no I'm not talking about snitching on someone who smokes a little weed or damn skips formation without anyone knowing lol. I'm talking about real life shit that is going to get someone hurt or killed or even not being recognized for something amazing you did conus or oconus like saving a little girls life *cough cough* my situation. All due to blatant favoritism tied in with laziness and or the good old I didn't see it when you know people did!