How To : 2016 2017 2018 + Camaro V6 RS 2.77 to 3.27 LSD Differential and SS Axle Swap
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- In this video I am swapping my V6 2.77 open diff for a 3.27 LSD diff from the I4 and V6 manual while changing the flanges to V8 axle flanges and installing V8 manual axles.
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Where did you buy the diff? Also I’ve been looking for this exact video and you’re the only one who made it I really appreciate it!
I got my Diff off eBay. And thanks for watching!
Nice vid man! :)
Thanks!
I am looking into doing the same upgrade to my 2017 Camaro v6 Auto but I am having a hard time finding a differential for a 2016 - 2018 Camaro 2.0 Turbo auto to look into the upgrade. I was also going to look into a shop to perform the swap for me as well. I am curious to know how much can be expected from gains.
So far I only have a cat-back exhaust, x-pipe, a hi-flow air filter by K&N and a Trifecta tune. I am looking into upgrading my intake manifold to a ported intake manifold, the 80mm big throttle body, a CAI Cold Air Intake since it has just come out a few months ago, and the last mod would be the differential if I can't find one soon.
I am interested in Forced Air Induction but I am being told that I shouldn't do it because I will run into poor gas if it is a daily driver and that is the reason why I got rid of my 2012 Camaro SS. I had to fill it up every 2 - 3 days and the only mods I had was a cold air intake and a custom exhaust.
right on !!!
Again thanks for the video. You have answered a couple questions for me in the past on this subject. The only thing holding me back at this point is - The tune after everything is complete. I want the Overkill tune but am concerned about turn around time and driving the car in the meantime. The HP Tuner you reference, is that only to correct gear ratios or that's the tune your running? What is affected until the tune is in? Once I'm straight on all of this I'll definitely make it happen.
Thank you kindly
You can drive with the paddles until the shift points are fixed.
Nice Video! ... I am guessing this messed up the speedometer given the change in drive ratios ... Did you get it to work fine again?
Oh yeah just load up hp tuners and change the ratio in the tune. Click apply also have to change the shift point MPH for each gear since that changes as well
Do you need to have a tune to be able to drive the car after this? Because I have the 2018 V6 A8 and tuning the trans is apparently more difficult
Yes you would need one you can always just paddle shift but your WOT shift points would be off.
I'm wanting to do the exact swap. Where did you get the 3:27 diff. ? Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
I got my diff off eBay. Make sure you are also searching for "Carrier" as thats what GM calls it.
Does anybody know if you can swap 1LE rear into an SS? (6th gen)
Think I may have messed up trying to go from stock 2:77 to 3:73 and bought a 1LE rear when maybe I need the M6 rear. From a forum I read it’s possible the 1LE had an electronic diff and it isn’t compatible.
for the 2023 v6’s that have the a10 transmission, you’re better off doing the 2.77 LSD in the automatic SS and change to the SS axels. this also doesn’t require a tune bc it’s the same gearing and on top of it this 3.27 is to high gearing for the 10 speeds (from what i’ve heard)
Yes Nice update point! the A10 didnt even exist when I made this video 5 years ago. the 3.27 gearing is short enough for the A8 if you put this in a A10 you might as well say goodbye to first and maybe second gear. If you do the SS axles and Diff dont forget to swap over the driveshaft flange. I am going to pin your comment
@@HyperHawkCamaro will keep you updated💯
what about the 5th gens
As far as I know the V6 comes with a 3.27 and it's the 6.2L A8 models that come with the 2.77. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Do you know if me swapping over to the 3.27 would be beneficial? I'm stock as far as transmission/diff goes.
V8 and V6 autos come with 2.77 the difference is the V6 is non LSD. The V6 and I4 manuals come to the 3.27 lSD and the i4 auto comes with 3.27 non LSD. Manual V8 has 3.73 LSD which also can be swapped in but creates for really short gears
There are a couple V8 guys running the 3.27 LSD with good results. But it's real beneficial for the V6 because the lack of low end torque
@@HyperHawkCamaro yeah i read that on the forums as well but it seems like the difference isn't as drastic with the v8, i don't know if i want to sacrifice the top end to potentially introduce traction issues down low.
Yeah the trans gearing in the V8 is diff it's all about what your goals are.. you won't have traction issues with the right tire. But if your shredding around town in street tires yeah you probably will.. It's a pretty huge diff for me.
@@@graphite718Sacrifice top end? Traction issues down low? How much horsepower do you think you're making exactly? If you're worried about traction issues down low, go with a larger/better tire setup to eliminate traction issues. If you're worried about sacrificing top end due to the increased RPM at a specific speed, then install a taller tire to compensate. The ratios can all be balanced, the idea is to find what works.
Can you swap out an 8speed diff to the 10speed differential???
Flange for SS is called Axle Shaft , gm part #84080683 , rock auto has them for $95 each
i have a 2023 v6 3LT RS with the 10 speed auto, i want to find a lsd for it, with these shafts i could get the SS LSD for the auto, would you happen to know the part number for that? and what would i need to do about the new shift points? thanks!
a tad bit confused. looking at a 2017 camaro rs 2.0t automatic and the description of the vehicle says it has the 3.27 ratio diff, is that the limited slip one even though it’s the automatic 2.0? very confused and just trying to do some slides, thanks!
So here is the list.
2.0t A8 = 3.27 non lsd
3.6 and 2.0t manual = 3.27 LSD
3.6 A8 = 2.77 non LSD
V8 A8 = 2.77 LSD
V8 manual = 3.73 LSD
@@HyperHawkCamaro thank you very very much but i’m still a tad confused. i see multiple videos here on youtube of stock v6 automatic camaros lighting up both tires indicating its lsd. how is that possible?
@@jordannn392 just because it's not LSD doesn't mean it cant spin both wheels LSD limits the amount of power one wheel received over the other allowing equalization of torque and power. With non LSD you have a drive wheel and the other follows but when slipping or hard cornering your drive wheel is always the definer. Yes this can cause one wheel peels but not always depending on surface grip etc..
@@HyperHawkCamaro i understand that completely, im still learning about differentials myself im only 19 and still a kid who’s trying to get into drifting so like i said still learning and thanks for answering all my questions thus far. now a final question i have would be i currently drive a e46 bmw coupe. sadly it has an open differential, i’m still trying to find a place to get it welded, but until then i usually wait til it rains or something for me to go outside and try and get it sideways. now my question is, how much damage, if any is done to my rear diff when i try and get sideways on slippery road conditions. i’m not beating the hell out of it just tweaking the wheel enough to try & get it sideways. thanks again man in advance!
I have a 2016 camaro v6 3.6 auto 2.77
I want to swap to a 3.73 and someone told me I only need ring and pinion. What do you know about that? Or how can a do a direct swap and have a noticeable difference? I have a hptuners tune
Get a diff out of a manual SS you will need the axles as well. You can't just do the ring and pinion I guess you could but you wouldn't have LSD you would have a open 3.73. I dunno it's just easier to find a used diff and swap it out then tear down a diff and change the ring and pinion.
I want to change my 2017 SS 2.77 diff for a LSD 3.27
Which model camaro has this? I want to do the swap and it’s been a big puzzle
hey i have a question about my camaro ss when i put my axle back in, is there any way i can message you besides this app ?
do you have any information about how to get a lsd for a v6 automatic?
Just have to look LKQ, eBay etc.. look for manual 2.0t or Manual V6 ones
Are any of the 2.77's LSD? I found one near me but they don't know what ratio it is. It came from a Manual Camaro so it should be the 3.27 right?
Yes a manual V6 or 2.0t will be 3.27 LSD the 3.27 non lsd comes from the 2.0t auto and the 2.77 non lsd is V6 auto the 2.77 LSD is from SS
@@HyperHawkCamaro Hey man thanks for the reply. I picked up the diff on Friday, fun little 3 hour drive. I did confirm that it was from a 2018 2.0 mt that had the front wrecked with only 4400 miles (poor thing) but hey better for me I suppose. This thing must have sat around for a while; I can see some surface rust, and hopefully nothing else, on it. That being said I've never done this before, so what do you recommend I check before doing the swap? I was probably gonna go with the 2.0 axles for now unless I find some SS ones for a killer price.
It's so hard to find any good content for the 3.6 man, your videos are a godsend for the V6 community- KEEP IT UP!
@@VirtuousStar1 Thanks man! Glad my videos are helping some definitely gives me some drive to make more. I would drain whatever fluid is in there out. Make sure everything spins smoothly. These diffs are damn tough so as long as everything spins good you should be fine.
HyperHawk Motorsports hey man I’ve had the parts to do the swap for some time now but I can’t seem to get a hold of Will over at Overkill. Is paying someone else to handle the tuning my only option here?
Did the ss axle just slide in or did you have to beat them in?
Do you mean the flange ? We had no issues with either the flange or axles the flange required some minor tapping and the axles just went in no problem
I think I have a 2.77 diff I want to see will this work for my vehicle 2015 chevy camaro v6 automatic ince it's a automatic?
Negative this is for 16 and up
Its the same process you just have to get a rear doff from a 2010-2015 v6 manual or SS v8 manual and swap it. Just have to swap out the flanges, and everything. Dont buy parts, see if you can find the whole thing dropped out of a SS itll save you time and money
Does it matter what year the 3.27 diff comes off of?
I have a 2016 a8 and I found a 2020 diff. Would it fit?
Nope just make sure it's the LSD version.
Do you need different axles to put the 3.27 LSD diff into an A8 V6?
Yes you need the manual axles from a 2.0 or 3.6
How much would labor be if I decided not to do it myself but took it to a performance shop
Just Labor probably billed at 3-5 hours would be my guess if your just swapping diffs and not doing the V8 axles etc.. probably billed at 2 hours just guessing though. It's really not difficult on a lift wish I had mine back then lol.
Ok I am wanting to change my rearend....I have a 2017 RS 3.6L with the A8. What would I need to put the SS rearend in my car?
From what I am gathering, I just need to find a manual V6 and grab the diff out of it or the axle shafts too? Then install and tune it?
Don't need the SS axles but you will need the manual V6 axles then. I just figured since had to change axles might as well go with the stronger SS axles. You will need the axle flanges that go to the SS axles as well. If you go with the manual V6 axles you won't need that part as they will just bolt up to the manual diff.
I’m doing this swap now, do you happen to know the part number for the bolts that connect the axels to the diff, since I cannot reuse them I will need new ones but I cannot find the part number on gm parts. Thank you
Are you doing the axles as well like I did or just the diff ?
@@HyperHawkCamaro I’m doing just the diff I’m keeping the original v6 axel so I need the oem bolts
@@rickyrestituyo8940 sorry I do not know the V6 part # I swapped to V8 axles and flanges and the bolt is doff
Do you got the part # for the v8 bolts for the axle , mine broke off the differential
If you were to do it over again do you think it’s worth it from your opinion. I know it cost like 2 grand to swap it over to shave off maybe 1.5 tenth in the 1/4mile.
2 grand ? Got the axles for 50 bucks the diff for 350 and the flanges for 100. It's well worth and oh boy did it shave off more then a tenth! Gained almost 4 mph. Haven't released the video yet but it's impressive!
Hyper Hawk oh okay yea I’m asking because Jim ran a 10.4 with this diff setup and Troy ran a 10.6 with the stock 2.77 diff. He said it’s not worth, jim said it is. I don’t who to believe haha. These are the lt1 record holders by the way. I’m sure you heard about them both. And you got a good deal on those diff pieces. I guess over here in Cali prices are much more expensive.
@@josepulido4176 you know the V8 trans is geared slightly different then the V6.. but let's say my results were more significant then .2 for me it's a night and day difference.. I put the diff in changed the ratios in the tune and we'll was amazing!
@@josepulido4176 I think I have troy convinced to do the swap. Now to find out how to swap this into a V8 car. will the axles, driveshaft bolt up? Also since the V8 cars have diff coolers do we need to buy a specific one that has the cooler fittings or did the all 3.27 diffs come with cooler?
Jesse Murray you should hit up rpm and pray. They will assist you bro. But it all depends on your setup and goals for your car
is it possible to use the SS diff with the ss axles? or would it not work with the v6 driveshaft?
Yes but I wouldn't from the SS you have a choice of 2.77 which we already have or 3.73 from the manual which makes your gears 2 short. If you just want to upgrade to a LSD you can use the SS 2.77 axles and flanges everything.
@@HyperHawkCamaro yeah i just want the LSD. the SS 2.77 is LSD then? and i was under the impression that the SS diff came in 3.27 as well but i guess i was wrong.
@@HyperHawkCamaro can’t find a 3.27 out of a v6 manual is the only issue or id just choose that. best of both worlds, higher gear ratio and lsd
Is camaro from 2018 with auto transmission have LSD ?
No Neither the 2.0 or 3.6 have a LSD diff in the automatic for any of the years. The V8 AUTO diff is lsd though
@@HyperHawkCamaro cool thx for answer 😀
How’d you tune the ecu?
With hp tuners and the help of William From Overkill Superchargers
Can you use a 5th gen 3.27 LSD on a 2018 rs?
Negative you can't use anything from a 5th gen on a 6th gen
The 3.27 lsd is from a v6 manual?
Yes So the 3.27 LSD from the 2.0t and v6 manual ( Same diff ) is not a direct swap into the auto you will need V6 or i4 manual axles , Or v8 axles and v8 flanges I did the V8 swap since the v8 flanges are direct swap and beefier as shown in the video.
so to swap this into my SS do I need to just swap the flanges? how about the driveshaft flange or cooler lines?
You will need your axle flanges and your pinion flange(driveshaft) off your old diff to install onto the 3.27 there are no cooler lines on the V6 diff.
HyperHawk Motorsports ok that’s pretty simple. I’m not certain but didn’t the 1LE have cooler lines? No matter I could probably just block them off?
@@jessemurray1757 The 1LE diff does yes. But your not going to find a 1LE diff what you are looking for is a diff from manual V6 or 2.0t it's the same as the 1LE V6 diff strength wise they are the same diff the V6 1LE just has the cooler for it.
@@HyperHawkCamaro thanks bud!! if the diff is from a 2.0 does it have to be manual?
@@jessemurray1757 If you want LSD yes. The 2.0 auto is 3.27 gearing but with a open diff.
Why not buy 2.77 ss auto diff? I mean what the different
3.27 gearing helps with acceleration. You lose absolute top end but I'm not anywhere close to that in the 1/4
Can you put the Differential of a Camaro ZL1??
Yes but you would need the cooler cooling lines etc.. that go to the ZL1 diff
Hey man can you message me personally I got some questions about this swap.
You can hit me up on IG @hyperhawkcamaro probably the easiest thing to do
How much was the differential ?
Got mine from LKQ for $500 got the SS axles off eBay for $100 and the Shafts for $70 each new from GM then you need the retaining bolts about $60
Do you have then part number for the smaller flanges on the axle shafts?
Smaller ? What do you need the smaller ones for just curious I can look it up for you in a bit.
@@HyperHawkCamaro so i have the 2.77 in my V6 camaro. Bought a used 3.27 out of a V6 ATS. The input shafts on the rear end are smaller than what is on my car.
@@HyperHawkCamaro do you know if the input shafts on the rear ends are swap able?
@@coreyberbas1556 yes everything is interchageable just move yours over
@@coreyberbas1556 what year ATS because the flanges should be the same size or bigger the 2.77 on the V6 camaro has the smallest flanges of the grouping of diffs so hope you got the right diff.. does yours have a part number.. I guess its also possible the ATS uses different axles
And where dis you buy the 3.27 lsd ?
I found mine on eBay as well as the V8 axles however I purchased the v8 flanges directly from GM
HyperHawk Motorsports do you have a part number for the flanges ?