Is a Supercharged V6 Firebird Quicker than an LS1?
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00:00 Intro
01:15 How To
06:15 Firing it Up!
08:00 1st Rip
12:45 A Couple of Digs
13:00 My Turn to Drive
17:00 Futures
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V6 motors are underrated IMHO. I used to have a gen 3 Camaro v6 and it really took some abuse. My brother now owns it, it has 220k miles on it and still runs great.
Good for 90 hp?
I’m get a 4th gen Camaro v6 190k miles what should I replace to make it last
@@sxggaming8518 Nothing. The only thing that has failed on mine was the ignition control module. Very easy fix but I wouldn't recommend it as preventative maintenance. If nothings wrong with it, leave it alone.
@@BlackRam17that was the 4banger
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The best thing about this is HE did most if not all R&D work, 300wheel is definitely a fun car to daily but when you build your vision with your tools & your hands that "fun" comes along with Pride & there's not much better.
Cool build.
Respect✌🏽
Finally! Someone realizes that it cost more then $700 to LS swap a car. Nothing more annoying than when people tell you how cheap it is lol.
It is cheap, motor 250 from the wreck and put a carb on top and boom ya done! Less than 500 bucks start to finish lol
More like $400 to swap an LS.
Great comment. I'm sure he can find a free transmission and K member.
Lol a msd box, and carb intake and carb will be a lot more than $500
@@IgniteLight and hopefully free front accessories a free driveshaft and wire harness 😂
You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like
In Australia we had a 3.8l Supercharged V6 called the L67 Ecotec put in RWD Commodores, so this is probably the closest thing you will get to L67 RWD in America
The l67 FWD is a common swap in fieros lol
@@civicsr2cool without a swap?
All copies of the turbo 3.8 from the original grand national set up
The 3.8l is my favorite engine ever between the dependability and options for performance parts with price considered it can't be beat
Recall on the intake oil leaking into cylinders causing hydrolock though.
im glad people are still giving these rolling legends around, i have a 94 firebird and theres not many of us left. appreciate u
95 got one. Had a 97 and picked another one up right after I sold it. Keeping this one for sure came with american racing wheels
This is one of the coolest builds ive seen honestly. It’s great to see someone unleash the power of the 3800 in a rwd platform.
Is that a 3800?
@@christopherwhitley9923yup
@@christopherwhitley9923 the 3800 is only one of the best V6s GM ever produced
I think i was just wondering since the video never explicitly said what it was. Btw i know, i got one :)@@andrewdonohue1853
Honestly I love seeing this over your basic LS swap
This brings back memories! I had a 97 Firebird with the 3.8 that I struggled to pay for coming out of high school with an entry level job. Eventually I bought a powerdyne supercharger kit for it and installed it in my father in laws garage. It made decent power but these were back in the days before tuning was at a level that it is today, so at WOT the car was having a hard time shifting (4 spd auto). I sold the kit and threw on an 85 shot of nitrous which had me hanging right with the Trans Ams of the day. I loved that car! Great job doing that custom fab work to make the grand prix supercharger fit! Very cool build!
I wish I could find one of those powerdyne kits. That would be amazing! Unfortunately a lot of that seems to be lost with time....
@@6ON6Firebird to be honest I don’t think it would be too hard to adapt a pro charger universal kit to a 3.8 fbody. The worst part would be making a mounting bracket but even that wouldnt be too bad.
I really like the exhaust note. It’s not too loud. Just smooth and different.
For the newbies listen to this guy he is right the parts to do it r everywhere if u can't find them hit me up
I've always done things to factory controls. Taking them apart and changing control knobs, backlighting. I really like how you did those. Simple details make driving the car feel so much better
Definitely different! I am not mechanically inclined so always amazed when someone does their own custom build like this.
ditto
Agreed...👍🏾
Be nice to see it run an LS1 Firebird, very intriguing. Nice build, love to see more!
Stuff like this is great! Gotta keep pushing and keep encouraging folks who are interested in swaps or adding power to what they already have. I'm one of those guys that takes a swap head on when everyone is saying 'just buy the vehicle with the bigger engine.' I've added 4 wheel drive to a Trailblazer, swapped the 4.2 for a 5.3 while keeping all the electronics working properly. Swapped a V6 in the lady's car when the 2.4 Ecotec took a crap, etc.
This is what it means when you say "Built! Not bought!" Great job!
so dope. Its cool to see something like this that you dont see everyday
I have an L67 Buick Regal. Intercooled, Comp Cams complete set up (thank you Chris Ryan), counter-rotating shaft removed for the double-roller timing change (oiling holes plugged, very precise dynamic balance), M90 ported & polished, modular pulley set up, poly ""Doughnut," minor head work, JPL fuel rails w/ rising rate fuel pressure regulator, Triple Edge transaxle build w/LSD (did not put the lower gearing from an NA transaxle in mine), headers w/Magnaflow exhaust.
Brakes are big Caddy, suspension is half 9c1, KYB, Voegtlin progressive rate springs, and Pontiac GTP LCA. Rims are 18" running Yokohama tires.
Is it "Stupid fast?" No. Is it the "Ultimate handling machine?" No. But it is a lot quicker than you'd think. Handles really well, ride is still good. Durable? It's been together over 7 years in this configuration, no issues. Will cruise all-day at high speed very comfortably. Added bonus? Mileage didn't suffer. Cruise at a constant 75mph and it'll pull 25+ mpg.
These Buick 3.8L are great. I made mine to be a durable, all-around driver. It does that well. For more performance we have a GT350
Nice job on the build 👍 it's nice to have something unique.
Can't wait for mine to finally be finished. Yours is sounding healthy bro
My rear end blew up, factory. Was 308 s. Now has a detroit locker with 373s, big improvement getting my Lt1 rolling.. great video.!!
Put some 3.42 or 3.73 gears and watch it transform. Cool build!
Maybe a little. He said It's a low end torque car. Might help how it does cruising in the top gear, and how it moves out in 3rd but if this car shines in the lower to mid rpms more and not so much up top, it may just feel faster but not actually be faster in 1st and 2nd. Must remember when it comes to boost, the less shifting and longer gearing, usually the better for boost, especially as low to mid rpm kind of car. That's my take on it
Even still tune and CAI headers exhaust on a Ls1 your still going gap him
@@hatedonalot9080 well that maybe true but I think the comparison was just the major difference in cost in terms of the two types of cars and everything from the ground up in costs.
@@MrDerekRobinson bang for buck I can dig it
@@MrDerekRobinson he mentioned the power band “tapering off” at the top too though. If he’s feeling that he still has pull left until he gets up in the rev range a higher ratio could help with that. Depends on where it falls off. If it’s pulling well and tapers considerably before he has to shift that’s one thing, but if it pulls well and falls on its face at like 6200 that’s another though… hard to tell from the video.
For the most part, I would agree with what you said though, if you and I were there to drive the car I think we could probably colab to decide better… I think we should hit the guy up for a test drive 😂
Love it. This swap has always run through my head. Definitely has cool factor. 3.08 isn't bad, probably great on the highway. The cam made the blower more efficient so you could good smaller now still without spinning that thing too fast
He wanted stylish and sporty..He definitley got it with the 6 gen FireBird...That's why buy I bought one 2 years ago....LOVE just looking at Her!!!...And She drives GREAT!!!
It’s an actual build so props for getting in there and wrenching ,most v6 f body guys around here just buy bs eBay chips and straight pipe em
Great work , not just another LS
Nice video - Great mods. I watched GMG from the start to the end.
I’m definitely doing this on my v6 daily sounds freaking sick
Thanks for sharing your build brother i appreciate it . I wannt to do this same build to my 96 vert and your explanation and website make it pretty straight forward . Thanks again
I actually like the V6😎…and I did get a 8+6, but that V6’s gas is incredible for what they are.
+10000 for BUILT over BOUGHT. Hell...even if you threw in an old school Quad4 engine...it is the skill associated with it. Thank you sir!
He is so right about the plugged injector comment lol. Had that happen on a real cold dry day in my GTP and it took an ice cream scoop out of my #1 piston
Very cool build
Nice build brother I'm a aluminum welder myself and plan on doing this mod to my wife's 2000 firebird that already runs 15.6 NA the blower would be like the cherry on top of the SUNDAY GOOD JOB 👍
I squeezed a 15.4 out of mine at the drag strip, abused the clutch doing so but I am hoping to get it back to the strip for some times soon. Look forward to seeing yours in the groups!
The wife's car is auto but that y87 package actually comes with a 2700 stall converter that they gm doesn't list in the package but it's for the most part why it leaves the line good 2.1 60ft times not bad on radials
@@6ON6Firebird I wish the wife's car was stick but my 02 ss is but still have respect for the v6 cars they are cool in there own way and if you turbo it you have a MONSTER ON YOUR HANDS 😊
Nice work man. One big advantage the 3.8 had was how quick revved. The blower should compliment well on the fbody platform… looks like it def does.
I’d go 3.42s. Would be a noticeable “seat of your pants” change and when you drive normal you probably will see little if any gas mileage drop. 👍
What's 3.42s? Is that a rear end? Will it limit my top speed?
Stylish and Sporty...He definitely picked the right Car.
Great video 🤙🏻
nice build my boy
So refreshing to see something different, imagine that motor in a 5-6 speed one off chassis kit car @1800lbs
Wow excellent sound.
If you can talk a company like Mace into sending one, they had rwd versions of the L67 that had the correct intake for this setup too. I've read about people having them sent over from Australia for cheap. Not as cheap as making your own but if you don't have the tools/skills/confidence to do it then that would be your best option.
If you don’t want to cut on the supercharger, or want something a little more bolt on friendly, there are some m90 superchargers with the same manifold bolt pattern but the intake comes out the driver side right next to the screws.
It came in various Australian market L36s
I drove my 96 3.8 v6 auto Camaro for a long time and then I had my 97 3.8 t5 for 8 years driven daily so I know these well. Thought about doing this as well just never got around to it. Very cool.
That’s awesome to hear. I just discovered these cars now. I got a 1997 Firebird 3.8 literally just hours ago lol. I also had a 99 Z28 for four years but wanted something different this time around. So glad to hear the 3800 are bullet proof engines!
Damn that thing pulls! 😮
All engine are cool I just wish most of them sounded better! But sweet build!
Fantastic build! Id love to see more pictures of the supercharger modifications, I saw a few on the website but im curious to see it at other angles too. Im looking to do the same swap myself, and would also like to know what brand the 4" aluminum 180 pipe was
Man this is exactly what I would think a v6 owner would act with a supercharger
the gas monkey shirt too. if he had a 1320 shirt his car would have a junkyard 5.3 and a on 3 kit on Holley lol
Far more respectful and not to mention knowledgeable, than the V8 owners I meet.
(coming from a V8 owner)
@@howieewalt1322 well said
explain how hes acting...
He’s acting fine, he’s proud of what he’s achieved and he should be, leave the guy alone, I’d like to see the ability & more importantly the patience of you and the 50 people who liked ur comment.
I’m currently doing this exact setup on my 97 Camaro bc it had alil injectior fire so was the best time
I probably did the slider thing with my t-56 and it locked in 3rd gear position but on the limiter but I could jerk it out. Now it does it every time I powershift but doesn’t if I don’t and shift as fast as I can. Pisses me off. I thought it was a shift fork but this is another idea. Cool car good power bro!!
awesome build man. Good job
Great video
No secret here. V6 muscles will always rev faster than a V8, so boosting them will definitely unlock some serious power.
Those modern ecoboost 4cyl are quick too.
But its all aboutthe SOUND bro.. lol
only had my 07 Grand Prix GT for a few months and I still cannot stop smiling. That little thing is torquey af. A little slow from the dig because of the looooong first gear and 2.96 final drive ratio but still smiles per mile
I owned a '97 Trans Am WS6 M6, the LT1 was fun. I'd own another one, the OptiSpark isn't that bad to replace, but it's not a cheap item.
The holden commodores where offered with a l67 and supercharger. Interestingly enough the monaro came with one in cv6 trim. The rear tb portion is mostly identical to your setup just cast.
I have noticed that. Only issue is shipping one over from down under costs an arm and half a leg anymore...
bro u can tell just from seeing the back of the steering wheel that the interior is perfect
It's something to enjoy whenever you can do things differently from the rest,now all it needs is a 75hp shot of nitrous !!!
Would love to see a dyno chart. My guess is that the LS would still prevail in total HP but the supercharged V6 should be a good contender for low-end torque, where most of your daily driving happens. Add the lighter rotating assembly and for a daily driver that would be a very snappy combo.
Price difference is huge too
This is so cool. I heard you guys talking about the T-5 but I was wondering if he had that stock with his firebird? I've got a 3.8L '02 Camaro automatic and I was wondering how difficult it would be to swap in a T-5 if I ever come across one at the junk yard?
Doing a similar build like this, putting the supercharged Buick v6 in an 1982 Malibu classic. Going for the full sleeper.
That sounds cool
@@xmo552 I would honestly would love to fully build the engine. ZZP performance has some really good parts for the 3.8 sc setup. H beam forged rods, beefy cams, a bunch of valvetrain parts and pistons. It possible to make close to 1000 horse with these engines. But realistically I wouldn't mind 600ish horse under my right foot.
@@adamh.8608 yeah keep it liveable.
I don't know if I would day you CANT not have wind noise. There are definitely ways to make it much quieter. You could always pull the carpet and trim panels and install boom mats or some kind of sound deadening throughout the whole car, get some beefy seals all around. You mentioned you had some sound deadener but for best effect you have to get some custom fit deadened inserts in you wheel and fender wells to keep air from getting between the fender and doors. Not sure what kind of deadened you have either but it performance can vary massively between brands and types. You can even get crazy and line the firewall if you are feeling groggy and feel like pulling the dash out. I've been in a ws6 with straight headers and the guy did all of the things I mentioned plus had tired that were supposedly designed to reduce noise a lot. It was actually a lot quieter than my stock 3.8L without the cat. Like significantly quieter than mine. It was an experience
GM should have offered a SC with the V6 Camaro/Firebird.
This is cool
Definitely a significant build for a fbody. I have a 95 z28 lt1 and yes ls swap is not cheap after engine and transmission parts. Definitely like the build.
No need to ls swap an lt1. You can make some damn good horsepower with an lt1
wondering if i was to find a 5 speed 3800 comaro like a year 2000 with bad motor cheap and i have a 2000 3800 grad prix and i have a 2000 buck regal and do this swap with no super charger may 3800 arnt super charged so would wireing harness be the same or would i have to use wireing from one of my cars and will the ecm also work from the camro basicly wondering if plug and play if none of the cars arnt super charged
So what car specifically did you pull the supercharger and other parts off of?
What is the exhaust set up on this it sounds great
love im workin on the same rn just looking for a tune
The look on his face like see if this answers any of ur questions as he blasts the throttle and shifts for another answer session lol
Hey man I loved the build. I have a quick question I just picked up over the weekend 96 Camaro GEN 4 over 3.8. Wouldn’t need any different parts to do it.
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So I just got a 1995 firebird drop top with 77k “ original” miles. So they kids I got it from I think lowered. I was drive when I hit a bump at 35 and my mileage jumped to 188,888 I haven’t look in the dash yet but the car it in great condition so I think they got the car from a older person and they rolled it back is that something I should be concerned about? I’m very worried about it but I don’t know what to do besides look at the gauge cluster, what do you recommend?
What header do you have? Do you have aftermarket heads? Which valve springs did u say again? And whats a really really snappy rear end that i can still get decent mgp with?
His build is over at fbodyfutures.com
WoW very nice car 😁😁
I like it super charge cool look in to S10 they got 4.11 gear it will light it up
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When I had my 96 Camaro I wanted to L67 swap my 3800 Camaro. I liked the idea of a Supercharged V6 camaro far more than the run of the mill LS or LT car. But then I drove a C4 ZR1 and well that changed for me. But if I get another 4th gen I'm def going this route. Many times before I was on the fence of trading towards a Z28 or Trans Am. the cost I felt wasn't worth it.
I Picked up a 08 LS3Corvette years ago and with headers and a stall they go 10's at the track. I use mine on weekends only so it's been holding up great. It gets 30mpg on the highway.. It weighs 3175Lbs
@@aphil4581 I may pick up another 3800 fbody someday. But not right now
c4 zr1 is definitely one of the dream cars. To be fair though thats a DOHC v8 compared to a pushrod v6. Can't really compare the two...
Leak tops!
Come try it I’ll race you 😂 putting a brand new performance air intake on mine in a couple of days
watching this i was like i know this area then i saw the walgreens on saxon im like i literally live on that road lmao how have i not seen this car
I need to organize a local meet up for everyone then!
Maybe get ahold of me off the website or something and we can sort it out to get us locals together!
I raced him on the track when it was n/a with my n/a and I wanna do this so badly
Good to see you here man! Was a great run when we ran them at the track!
@@6ON6Firebird for real! Have you been out since you did the swap? I haven’t been able to go because I need a new cat:(
Harrop makes a 1900 tvs supercharger for the 3800s. Might be something to look into.
Edit: it flows about twice as much as a good gen5 m90.
I will have to look into that. I went with the genV for now because it was a bit easier to get ahold of and the m90 had been done before. That is very well a possibility though!
Link?
Paint that pulley and intake tube semi-gloss black and it would look like it was a factory optiin
Is it possible to super harge and turbo the 3.8? I have a lot to learn and would really like to know
You’d have to do work to motor and transmission to make it be able to hold that much but yes it’s possible to twincharge your engine
I really need that extra belt wrap pulley. I wish you could buy them instead of machining them. I know it's late, but do you have any details on it?
I think he has some on fbodyfutures.com
Good video, I have a 2002 V6 Camaro with a 5-speed and 3.23 rear gear. Only has
60,000 miles on it, and would LOVE to do this kind of improvement. If Jacob can
provide better info on the parts that he located, the installation, tuning, etc.,
that would be great.
Check out the video discription. It is linked.
Zzp has a turbo kit for 2500$-3500$ that adds 100-200hp
wish we could have the ls1 race now ive got an lt4 corvette is that close enough?
If you're ever in Michigan and want to know how far you can take a supercharged v6, I have a 89 t-bird SC 5 speed you can review. It has a 4.2 crank from an f150, 60lbs. Injectors, ported heads, bigger valves, headers, bigger cam, 3.73 diff gears, and a twin screw supercharger. It dyno'd at 430 whp and 500 wheel torque.
Doing the same build with my 02 mustang V6, 4.2 crank atroked forged rods and Pistons, block bored 20over, 310lph fuel pump, roller rockers and stiffer springs, turbo cam. Just alot of stuff, also custom widebody and cowl hood. One video in channel going to add more.
What's ur info I have a camaro that I would luv to upgrade if your interested. I'm in Romulus, mi
in addition to being a very cool mod, people who want to have a supercharged v6 fbody, will find the used v6 cars are often in much better condition because they dont get beat on as hard as the LS1s
I thought about doing this before
Twin turbocharged they can be fast. I worked on a 3.8 that dipped into the low tens. It still may even be on TH-cam
That's cool. Link it.
I’ve seen them fast N/A actually. It takes a lot of cash and work, but there was an 02 W68 car (the one with the factory body kit and 3.08’s) run high 12s on pump gas. No boost, no spray. Never see the guy anymore so I guess he sold it or whatever.
Think it was punched out to like 4.1 or 4.2 L. Cam, headers, tune, etc, etc. high 12s low 13’s is exactly on par with a 6spd fbody with a factory LS1.
Could use parts from the l67 commodore/ statesman from aus
The old anniversary trans am was very fast with a 3.8 turbo just like the grand national engine I’m sure you port polish the heads and do cam and roller everything you can make that thing sick fast grand nationals use to pull willies on a vs6 done up the 4.3 typhoon ve and cyclone where also perfect example of fast v6
What ecu is it on? No tuning? Can you use factory f-body with hp tuners? Or factory supercharged car?
Stock fbody ecu tuned with HP tuners.
@@6ON6Firebird thanks! I was wondering what support there is for those. I can mess with that! I’ve been wanting to do a v6 turbo car since I drive a Gn, that being said, I love gbody cars and want to put a new Camaro 3.6/6mt in a regal, but I’ll bet a 4th gen Camaro 3.8 5 spd would be cheaper/simpler. The regal has a 3.8 in it now.
Do you have to tune the car if you just put the supercharger and heads on it ?
Yes, that would require a tune.
Vv cool
I have a 2002 camaro v6 that only has 50k on it. I have a lm7 5.3l that I was building for the car but after seeing this I’m starting to realize that this might be better. Yes building the v8 would be cool and sound great but it’s around 1-2k (with a cam and and supporting mods) just for the engine. In f body’s you need a ls k member which people want like 500 for and various other things and this is just an overall cheaper and pretty unique. I honestly am seriously thinking about just selling the v8 and buying a series 3 3.8l with the 5th gen m90 blower and just rebuild that motor.
Just do what makes you happy...but in all seriousness the LS powerplant is leaps and bounds better in every way. So much easier to make power just N/A. But if you're on a budget and you're a diy guy and just want to be different, then go for it man. I've always went against the grain as well...currently building a destroker, well technically it's just a big bore 4.8, I know it'll be gutless down low, but 4.8 crank, Manley 6.3" rods, -6cc domed pistons, ported 799 heads with ferrea oversized hollow stem light weight race valves, custom spec'd cam, 1.8 aluminum rockers, full on solid roller race lifters...plan was originally to twin turbo it, mate it to a close ratio t56 in a little Colorado or s10, and run some 4.10, maybe 4.56 gears target fuel cut redline 9,000rpm, target shift point 8,500 rpms. It gets sketchy at those rpms, the exponential amount of stress put on the stock crank for every 1000rpms really adds up at the top. Rotating assembly will be balance and lightened but still...lots can go wrong at those rpms, but just imagine the noise it would make with an 180° 8-into-1 turbo header. Of course it won't make the biggest horsepower but it would definitely be different and fun in the upper rpms and still 1000hp+, not a drag racer but would be an awesome road course setup imo. 315c.i. of pure fury 😆
@@just_another_gearhead i was actually thinking about a destroked ls, I have a ls1 in my garage with a chewed up crank. The block is good and you can get LR4's for cheap, slap in the crank and rods with ls1 pistons and you have a 5.1 liter LS1.
@@martinez1701a I have a set of ls1 1.305 compression height pistons, they're the ones that you use for 6.125 rods. If you use those pistons, with a 6.3" rod, like the rod for an RHS tall deck, and the stock 4.8 crank...you come out to 9.238, so just under 9.240 factory deck height. I have a set of Manley 6.3 rods too. I'd sell rods and pistons w/rings for $1500 right now, still in box, $1800 value, plus no wait time because they are custom ordered, took me 3 months to get them..before the pandemic. Also have a set of ferrea hollow stem race valves .050 larger...but thinking about keeping those, they cost like $1300 by themselves lol
Nicely done. It only 6 lb of boost he shouldn't be hurting longevity with that motor at all.
I was quoted $19,000-$25,000+ dollars to put a Ls engine in my 86” Grand National and I already bought a new engine and transmission
I would love to have this done on my firebird but I am not that mechanically inclined 😢
I did a turbo 94 camaro with the 3.4l was easily making over 400whp had fun smoking the stock v8 car’s but I wanted to make some real power so I ditched it!
bro are you located in Dallas TX? I have a green 3.8 firebird y87 package. Help Me supercharge mine please 🥺