Supreme Court rules cities can penalize the homeless for sleeping outdoors
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- The Supreme Court ruled on Friday that cities can penalize the homeless for sleeping outdoors by upholding a law banning homeless encampments.
The 6-3 decision stemmed from the case of Grants Pass v. G. Johnson, after the Oregon town began fining people nearly $300 for sleeping outside. If not paid, that fine would increase to $537.60, and multiple citations could expose the individual to criminal trespass charges-which could lead to a heftier fine and jail time.
"The enforcement of generally applicable laws regulating camping on public property does not constitute 'cruel and unusual punishment' prohibited by the Eighth Amendment," the Supreme Court said in its decision.
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What do YOU think?
they want you to off yourself as long as it's not witha gun
I think they should bring back those buses that bussed the homeless people to New Jersey!
Huh, our government first R-ing ppl then R-ing the American ppl without Vaseline.
Ship them to Ukraine. Money is there.
A homeless person is a criminal if housing and jobs are provided and they refuse.
Homeless is a scam and that needs to end
Build affordable housing on those worthless golf courses.
Bitter that you're not wealthy sounds like
Why couldn't they have both? Golf did nothing wrong. Build affordable housing on affordable vacant lots.
Who will be paying for it ? You ? I do not want too .
@@Randy-jz9ox If you're not then you're one of them mindless sheeple that's content with getting a hot poker enema from the wealthy. Good luck living with just existing and being satisfied with it.
Open up your home to a few.
They already made this a felony in Tennessee a couple of years ago, punishable by up to 5 years in prison. Also, if you're a felon, you cannot go to a homeless shelter here. What a system.
Tennessee thrives on prison labor, ie, slavery per the 13th Amendment.
Evil.
So someone who lost everything, no where to go, just send them to prison for 5 years and forget about them.. truly disgusting.
I mean yea, but some people dont want to help themselves either, so even if they fix that, it wont fix the over all issue.
So now it cost the public even more putting homeless a prison cells and meals. GOP just don't understand they caused this situation by outsourcing jobs, raising taxes, cutting medical benefits. Also strange Trump is convicted 34 felonies and would see a day 8n prison. He embezzled and swindled enough money to feed most of the homeless. You can't make billions by bankrupting every business you touch. Never wonder why America is crack8ng at the seams.
Where are the homeless supposed to go. They're not all druggies
Not in my back yard. It's the American way.
Slab city
Prison is where SCOTUS is sending them apparently
Where is the compassion for the poor? Unbelievable.
Not all poor are the same and some simply do not want your help nor care to give it any care.
We pump millions and millions to cities for homeless and the politicians abuse it.
Wake up.
welcome to america, where it's illegal to be homeless
You’d be surprised to learn in most civilized countries you cannot sleep on park bench. The US is an exception.
True. And also legal for the same lawmakers that make laws againt homeless who accept mega-millions in gifts and vacations from the same billionaires that got trillions in tax breaks and incentives then cut jobs or outsourced jobs. Never has the division of rich and poor been of wide.
This is the country that stands against oppression in the whole world and leave their people behind... something is terribly wrong... Something has to change
Yeah, stop voting blue no matter who and things will change in the cities.
The Supreme Court
If a city can afford to incarcerate a homeless person and feed, clothe, and house him, then why can't a city just fund a way to help a homeless person. Does the city's justice system have a bigger budget than the city's parks and recreation department?
How about making housing affordable.
we dont need affordable housing-- we need more luxury housing and low income housing conversions to parks and luxury shopping! low income housing is such an eye sore! keep that stuff in New Jersey!
How do you propose "they" do that?
Depopulation Agenda
@@vintagemotorcyclerepair4052. They created the “housing projects” in big cities back in the 1960’s. Definitely not perfect, but at least the people were not sleeping in tents strewn all over downtown areas.
@@vintagemotorcyclerepair4052Build more housing, especially apartments. Not that complicated.
Maybe this administration should help our homeless out more instead of foreign invaders....
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@@MrCobalt Ignorance is bliss and I just found the source.. 😂
"Mr Cobalt".. 😂🤣
Because if Putin is successful ALL of us will suffer. Learn some history, Fox parrot.
"One of the primary responsibilities of government is to take care of its weakest citizens."
~Mario Cuomo
That we refuse to do this and instead criminalize them is itself, cruel and unusual punishment.
So then your forcing them to break into buildings for shelter ! That's not an intelligent thing to do. You're just making the problem worse.
Sleeping in the streets IS cruel and unusual punishment. Only elites would think living on the sidewalk is humane.
So, where are they going to sleep? Yes, some need to get a job but some are ill. There aren't enough shelters or mental hospittals. I don't like homeless all over the place either - used to live in Tucson, where they were everywhere, not just the poorest areas. But there need to be real solutions.
@@lindiharris-axon8167
"Some" are ill?!!! Dude I've lived in SD, Seattle, and in Vancouver (close to portland)..
MOST are mentally disturbed and agitated! They aren't trying to do anything with their life
@@lindiharris-axon8167TH-cam and Google are great resources to answer your question.
"You have the right to exist. . .but not right here."
not if you're homeless... get a job.... get your life together.... if I have to be a model citizen. so should you.... get a job get a shower!
Just go around using the name "Israel". Nobody would question your right to exist then! 😐
If this passed where i lived. Homeless would break in constantly and attempt to secretly squat.
You got to be kidding.
don't close your eyes when you're outside
Is that a threat?
How to you punish people who have already lost everything? We have to be better than this as a country.
Absolutely disgusting! Perhaps they take those justices salaries to help these people get housing!
We are not going to legislate the homeless out of existence! Where is your humanity?
Yes it violates the 8th because this “societal norm” was established for years now where it’s ok to sleep on the streets. If they can’t afford a roof, how can they afford a ticket?
Obviously they would have to have options in place for them. Mental health institutions, halfway houses, etc. It won't work without realistic opportunities for these folks. If they still don't conform then jail them. Sorry.
This is punishing the poor for the cost of living crisis and corporate greed, while taking bribes from billionaires.
penalize? what kind of mindless dribble is that? Exactly how do you penalize someone with no money, no home, no food and no dignity left?
Jail
How a country treats the poor demonstrates the quality of its people.
WHERE are the HOMELESS supposed to sleep.....they don't have ANY other choice !!!
They need to start working , get a job and apartment
@@sunnyisland6709. Most homeless people are not mentally fit and able to maintain employment.
@@sunnyisland6709 It's VERY apparent that YOU have never been homeless.
How can you get a job when you have no address for mail, no phone for call backs and no clean cloths because you don't have money or access to wash and dry any cloths.
Sure, it's easy to say " get a job" from YOUR perspective, but TRY it from a homeless persons perspective and you'd change your views real quick.
@@sunnyisland6709 Working people sleep, too. Where should people who don't have a roof over their head sleep?
They can become institutionalized in funny farms,jails and prisons
Only in america would we give billions away to another country instead of using that money to build shelters and create more housing programs 😂
This puts the impetus on the tender mercies of the city and state, what could possibly go wrong!
Because being homeless isn't "cruel and unusual punishment" enough.
There are programs to help - "homeless" is by choice.
@@EliChristman This is an irresponsible trope that you are repeating to gratify some shriveled part of your own soul that likes to see people suffer. Some people choose not to live in a house. Most in that position do not. You are not a good person, and you'll be better off later if you face that now.
@@EliChristman Untrue. All the “programs” DON’T help the homeless… because the blighted homeless are still right here where they started. Many homeless people HAVE JOBS but are simply priced out of a pointless “luxury” market!
Meanwhile, selfishness and greed have created empty business complexes and empty homes owned by wealthy business profiteers.
That church that she’s talking about was forcing people to go to Bible study and sunday services or they wouldn’t help them. This is the government telling people “if you’re homeless you either choose religious indoctrination or go to jail.”
The great irony is that the people judging are the ones who need to listen to Jesus...
@@TwisterTornadoThe point was, why should either side need or be forced to "listen to Jesus"?
Repurpose failing malls into low income housing units.
They would be destroyed in a week
@@shackyshabazz5922 You could screen people before they come in, just help as many as possible. Yes, maybe the worst cases would not get help. That doesn't mean you just don't even try. Who are you people, who always chime in like that?
Or free as the homeless pretty much have nothing.
They already have section 8 housing - and they keep it across town to keep them out of civilized neighborhoods.
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of unused old military barracks sitting empty across the country with all the facilties readily available (canteens/medical/sewage/water etc etc). All inside gated/fenced installations. Get the bums sober. Get them working or conscript them. Their choice. America has had enough.
BE Hospitable to strangers, in doing this many have entertained angels unaware....
A quote I remember from a college political science course: "The Law, in its Majestic Equality, forbids equally the rich and the poor from sleeping under bridges and begging for bread."
I know people living in the woods in our small town
Pennsylvania USA 🇺🇸
They are making the poor person suffer even more keeping them down
Are you offering shelters for them to live in like the government is doing for the millions of illegals?? Why do they get hotels, food, and money when we already have a homeless crisis in this country. Illegals are given more resources than Americans. SOMETHING IS WRONG IN THIS COUNTRY! COME NOVEMBER I HOPE THIS ALL CHANGES FOR THE BETTER OF THIS COUNTRY.
I was thinking the same thing!! Our own people should be taken care of!!!
They both sold us, both parties.
Not sure how far back it was, that we last had real president options. They are actors. Puppets, whatever. It was probably before Reagan.
That’s real crazy. Why treating homeless like that?
Get a job and don’t be homeless
@@sunnyisland6709
Most employers won't hire you if they find out you don't have a place of residence. Most employers in general won't hire homeless people. If it really was as easy as "getting a job" we would have no homeless.
I love this! if you feel sorry for them you go take care of them! they are NOT my problem..... and I don't want to see them in my neighborhood! they can go to yours!
Just think if they are put them in jail they can't steal overdose get showers fed and have a bed. Win win
@@sunnyisland6709 Not a fan of common sense?
America has more than 600 Billionaire's, they could or can solve this minor issue
They're occupied constructing corporate America's subterranean world
Someone help me understand how this solves the problem and what are the preventive measures to help people from becoming homeless? Even if they are put in jail for x amount of time and then released that puts them back in the same situation that got them arrested originally
That is beyond insane, the city is not fined for not providing shelter????
you can pay for it... im not paying for it....
What's next, penalize them for consuming oxygen?????
Make being poor ILLEGAL!
If you can't sleep in the park then you break into unoccupied buildings.
Then you get arrested
@@Nick-vw1lm You're getting arrested in the park anyway, where are you less likely to get caught?
@@Nick-vw1lm Either way you are going to jail.
This is so cruel
Disgusting. It's the state that should be penalized for people being homeless.
I think the supreme court justicees did not do a thorough job on this one. They had months
1:32 / 2:39
"Supreme Court rules cities can penalize the homeless for sleeping outdoors"
Let them sleep outside for awhile and I guarantee you they would change their minds.
I live in Grants Pass & it's a hot mess. Obviously they don't know how awesome it is to be homeless in CA
I was homeless and on the street for a couple weeks many years ago. The most surprising aspect of that experience was that there was no place where it was okay for me to simply be.
I think there have been laws against vagrants skeeping in public parks for well over half a century--in fact, pretty much against anyone sleeping in public parks. Those didn't target the homeless. They targeted anyone. I can't see a big difference legally.
But the good Christian members of the court voted to fine the homeless…nice.
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Homeless people will get arrested on purpose when its freezing outside.
They are going to be spending a lot of money to house all the homeless in jail! If they are fined, they won't be able to pay. So instead of spending All this money on housing them in jail, have a heart and help house them before this happens.
It's not curel and inhumane unless your homeless.
The problem is their law is too broad. Establishing a permanent or semi-permanent encampment, i agree!
Rolling out a blanket and eating lunch? NO! That should be fine.
Even taking a nap after lunch? NO! That should also be fine.
What is the purpose of the public park? It's not only to grow grass so some city employee can have a job cutting it!
I hear a lot about people who want them taken care of. I wonder if they've all taken in people to help them or they want "someone else" to do it from their moral high ground.
Who’s going to pay for the incarceration and healthcare city’s won’t pay welfare but ? Another failure to understand why . The war on drugs is lost now fix this 😮😢😱
But you can still legally die of exhaustion and exposure, right?
The logic was not in the room when the Supreme Court came up with this one...
So it's not illegal to Rob cvs, driver reckless, steal in general but you are willing to pick on the must vulnerable whether simply sleeping?
Disgusting
This scotus needs to be dealt with unlike and prior court.
Eh? Sounds incoherent.
Penalize? With what? They don’t have money, houses, nothing.
Sleeping in public how is that illegal it's public property
Belongs to the city. There is no longer land that protects the FREE. Those laws were written when the pioneers roamed the earth.
@@jogordon1530 it belongs to the city which belongs to the people
@@emulaglenn4358 Are the people holding the deed to the property they are occupying? Nothing belongs to the public.
Im homeless thanks a lot for not caring for us a Holes
Land of the FREE??
3 years that how long it takes to get housing
And how Exactly is the Supreme Ignorance going to get anything from the Homeless.
Really? If people are homeless, THEY HAVE NOTHING…how much are they going to penalize them…Nothing from nothing, means Nothing🤪🤪🤪
I know this certainly sounds like unfortunate news. Sounds like they were ruling on a specific narrow argument. Also, this really means that there's a big opportunity here, to innovate in ultra-short-term dwelling design. The people need it real bad right now.
On another perspective, I would have rather seen them fine the homeless person up to a max annual amount, without the criminal trespass label.
I think there are answers to homelessness but this isnt it!
Good these people need to get themselves off the ground and go to work and better themselves. The street is not meant to live in it better your society by doing something with your lives and improving the quality of your lives. Go out there and work. Don't let anybody tell you that you can't wear that there's no work out there. There is if you look, you will find if you knock it will be opened.
My solution is:
No one shall own more than 2 abodes and net worth of said abodes shall not exceed $??? Based on location and normal local wages.
A one-time wealth tax to fund affordable housing. Any non-profit providing housing for staff (mega churches, etc) must have limits and must use % of funds to provide housing.
My theory is that the problem could be fixed. It is not humane for people not to be allowed to sit or sleep or to be safe because they have no housing. I have met people who are homeless because insurance companies took their premiums and did not pay their medical bills. A person who lived in a tent because he could not pay rent and child support. Big tech gave housing bonuses to interns and landlords evicted tenants to get higher rents. Landlords got higher rents from Air bnb. Rx pain meds turned into addictions and drug profiteering families are still rich. Have concerts like Farm Aid for housing aid. How many houses, bedrooms, yachts does one person or family need?
Thank you for the opportunity to vent and to offer some suggestions.
This is horrible 🤬
This Nation will split.
ma;ybe c.thomas can let some stay in his luxury motor homes
Saw the headline and was like, "This has got to be about Oregon." 😂
Great, now they'll get three hots and a cot.
this is crazy
this is fabulous!
If your homeless just buy a house
This is probably the only good decision they made
Fines just mean less drugs they can buy. And fewer drug needles on the ground.
I hope this is sarcasm. Lol. You think they're going to pay fines instead of using that money for drugs? I'm sure that's where their priorities lie.
This place sucks
red states luv this..... missouri threw hats in air....
Make sense!
The homeless here are mean.
We need a Supreme Court House Cleaning. These are horrid times. It is a cruel & undue punishment!!! Why doesn't our government at all levels give them housing.??? WTH... I'm so disgusted!
For the same reason they don't give YOU housing.
Being disgusted is not a substitute for being rational.
@@vintagemotorcyclerepair4052 Meaning???
This reporter's voice sounds like Briahna Joy Gray.
Good!
The Fascists on the Supreme Court now say it's a crime to be homeless. They also say, elect Trump so he can appoint more Fascists.
Homeless people must get a job and rent apartment like we all are . Lazy people
Where did they says this FACT CHECKED YOU LIE
B.S.!
They're fake
IKR, if you look closely you can see the wires.
A homeless person is a criminal if housing and jobs are provided and they refuse.
Homeless is a scam and that needs to end
This entire case had to be brought because of the 9th circuit court of appeals had a ruling that was completely moronic. They ruled that homeless people had the right to sleep and live wherever they wanted. They could camp out on your tree lawn and take a dump on your driveway and you couldn't do anything about it. They ruled completely on the best interests of the homeless people without any consideration to the wants or needs of the municipalities of the citizens thereof. The Grant's Pass case basically said that no, they can't sleep just anywhere. It should be up to the municipality to come up with what is in the best interest of the people in their zone.
I mean the answer is build more affordable homes, follow by programs that help give a person a hand up (not a hand out), follow by splitting the people that can help themselves vs the people that can't or unwilling to. The people that cant help themselves are going to be hardest/the ones that will cost us more than then unwilling or the people that need a hand up as they will require care that will cost people long term - and normally, they are the ones that are the hardest to help. The willing will more than likely get back on their feet. The unwilling though are the ones that could, but are stuck doing drugs, dont want help, or rather be on their own. Next to the unable to help themselves, are the ones that I have no idea what you do with other than try and put them out of your cities and towns. Back in the day, they wouldnt have any real choices, but today, they can live pretty much anywhere is the problem.
It's the hegalian dialectic
If I were about to be homeless and I knew I had to sleep on the streets in a big city, I think I’d prefer to just take a one way ticket to the wilderness, build a shack there with my own hands, and then live off the land! some of the homeless just want to be doing drugs and their dealer is in the city.
Let see how much supplies you would need and major skills before your shelter is even built, do you have the skills needed to gather food?,, How many homeless could do that?
A lot of people are out there because they don't have healthcare, or mental help.
And hardly anyone becomes an add!ct, without having emotional issues, first
@@user-yh5xm8rw6k survival of the fittest/smartest
@@TwisterTornado
Or injury and pain resulting in Rx for pain pills. 80% I saw in drug, alcohol & mental rehab hospital started with medical Rx
Good. You can't sleep at out parks and streets or in front of businesses!!! Go in a dirt field or hill. Don't work, that's your problem.
Giving illegal immigrants everything and poor/homeless Americans nuthn.
Keep hearing that dumb talking point, but can you point to a single concrete instance of illegals being given everything? That is not real.
Facts!
We must make these homeless work hard they are very lazy. They are plent of job, they don’t want to work. Some are criminals..their license been revoked.
some have full time jobs and still can't get an apartment. The rich have acres and they don't have enough housing in the cities.