You are the only reliable source in the entire kibbe community from online youtube. I love how you only always use verfied celebrities and only go by exactly what kibbe means.
FINALLY someone that compared dramatic classic to soft dramatic, this is why you are one of my favorite kibbe channels. Honestly this has been an (insane) challenge for me as i have been trying to figure out my kibbe for years - I'm 1,68cm and people very often perceive me as taller than i am (and i mean OFTEN okay this is something that happened even before I knew aboht kibbe) so when i first got in touch with kibbe studies and such i figured i woukd be in the dramatic family (but couldn't be pure dramatic because i need waisy emphasis on my outfits or I look like a bizarre square/baloon), but sometimes the very flashy and more yin recommendations of SD sometimes felt off (i wasnt sure) so i ended up on dramatic classic which made sense to me in terms of style (wearing smaler and more geometric things) however it always bothered me the recommendation on DC said waist emphasis wasnt a must and well, the height/vertical issue - but i kept on DC cause i figured ..okay it's not gonna always go by the book and be perfect. And then kibbe says that anyone taller than 1,67 is wother D,SD or FN and MAN I'm back to square one LOL
Same here! I thought I'm Dramatic Classic for years until I realized I'm too tall. The reason it was hard to recognize that I am SD was because everyone is using Sophia Loren as an example, and she is so voluptuous while I am slim and slender. It took doing a test with a friend and her pointing out my curve and then looking up photos of slim SDs to realize it.
@@foreveronthemove yeah after a LONG journey I'm back to SD finally. Someone else also pointed out the vertical and the curve and there's basically no other thing I can be I figured after years of studying and searching
Thank you, Sophia. I was first "misdiagnosed" as a dramatic classic, based on my pics and answers on the test. But even that was mixed, equal amount of A answers and C answers, and some D and E (some face features and prominent body features). Thank you for all your help.
Thanks for watching!! Yes, the test doesn’t work unfortunately, I believe Kibbe has mentioned that his publisher told him to include it because quizzes were all the rage back when the book was released. But he has said himself that it doesn’t work.
@@stylebysophianicole I was typed as either a tall DC or an SD (I’m 5’8) but a lot of people are saying I have a classic essence based on my face. Does that make me more likely to be a DC if I don’t have a dramatic face?
Mar West used to wear specially made platforms to significantly increase her height, they would be added on to her own shoes to give appearance of being taller. It's unclear whether Kibbe knows this. So her height might be more of a n unintentional red herring
I think he knows, he seems knowledgeable on old Hollywood. I think her essence and casting is why she is SD, she is better inspiration to SDs than anyone yin. It wouldn’t make sense to use her as an example for SG or TR, she is so bold!
Im glad you actually give out accurate information remember that confirming I was a soft dramatic was a bit of a struggle due to all the waves of misinformation out there but when I look at my pictures I literally can’t see how I could be anything else(especially with my height of 5,9 or 176 cms)
Feature for Soft Classics, please. Thank you for sharing these videos and information and for other Kibbe Body Types and Kitchener Face Essences in the future.
@@annalynn9325 I get this but it’s a bit of a slippery slope. What if people make negative assumptions, does that form you into being a less good person? I see what you mean but it’s probably not consistent enough to put it in a system like Kibbe.
very good video i am 169 cm tall and also thought i was dramatic classic when I found out that from 167 cm you can only be D SD or FN I thought I could only be D because I have small breasts and narrow shoulders but when I tried the lines I quickly realized that there was no way I could be a D Far from it i have soft features and flesh over on my angular bones and a very pronounced hip ergo SD when i tried the SD lines everything suddenly fell into place and i looked amazing
I like this video, it's good for those starting out who don't know. What I want to know as a SD what do we wear casually? Etc? It's not feasible to wear a cocktail dress with high heels daily 😊. I would like to know about low key looks for SD. Do you think bohemian style could work as such? Thanks for the video!
I'm 5'7", no prominent shoulder line, short limbs, vertical and curve. I have delicate arms, legs, extremities. I don't know if this is the right system for me.
I don’t really think had much experience with taller women.. honestly I recently retyped myself as a Theatrical Romantic BECAUSE of how delicate and soft my curves were. Structured anything made my body look bulky and even though I’m petite numbers wise my over all body has a whole “delicate wave” going on. I looked at pictures of TR movie stars and saw that my curves looked damn near exactly like Marilyn! My hands are bigger but that’s quite literally a genetic pass from my dad. My bone are actually much smaller in terms of size and “thin” I don’t identify with SD and this video just proves it. You don’t have to believe everything Kibbe says just because he got most of it right. Remember every single body is unique and individual!
My body looks similar to Ava Gardner but I am much shorter (5'4) and I look more delicate around my shoulders, thorax and in the face. Would that still match SD or should I look more into FG/SG/TR)? Essence wise people usually say they either perceive me as gentle, graceful, a bit naive perhaps and flirtatious, even if that's not my intention usually. 🌹
It depends on what you mean when you say similar, if the proportions are the same but scaled down (so a bit shorter but still elongated), I wouldn’t exclude SD yet. It’s not uncommon at 5’4 at all!
I still don’t see Tracee Ellis Ross as a FN. I was so sure I’m a flamboyant natural as well (I have a very similar body to her, I’m also mixed and have curls) but I feel bit her and I are leaning much more SD. I’ve been wearing FN lines so much and it just doesn’t seem right. Especially now that I’m overweight. I’m so confused 😢😂
I love your videos🌹 Do you still feel like kibbe is helpful for what to actually put on in the morning? I ask this because for a while there were so many ”rules” and now, as I understood, he doesn’t use them at all anymore….? I get that it wasn’t perfect, but I need rules😂 I mean, I nead SOMETHING to guide me, otherwise it doesn’t help me to know my type (other then for a gala). I find ”rules” very helpful and never felt limited by them because it is up to me to apply them or not- no little style police controls me. I need direction on what to wear, but not for these hollywood looks, rather: what is rachel weisz wearing to walmart or when she helps her grandma. Those ORDINARY days. Because us soft dramatics imho really risk to look frumpy in the ”wrong” combination. (I use the word wrong, I have no issue with it but apologize if it bothers someone).
There are guidelines,you just have to know how to use it in more casual looks. Search sd casual looks on TH-cam, or learn what the guidelines says/your accomodation(vertical,curve). So light fabrics and avoid too many color blocks.
I agree on dramatic family but there is so little information about how this system works for men that I am not sure which of the two he is. I am leaning pure dramatic.
@@stylebysophianicole in my own experience, it works mostly similar for men. The yin in tall Romantic men like Richard Gere and Lorenzo Lamas manifest in small, rounded facial features and smaller scale everywhere despite the actual length of the body. For Colin Firth, it's also the complete lack of solid bone structure with noticeable flesh taking over. For men, visible weight gain will make it clearer to determine their types. I'm a moderate FN male with a long and narrow frame like Nicole Kidman. I gained 15kgs and my upper body becomes much more stocky/ square so the width becomes more visible in the upper chest + shoulder. I always knew I was a tall type because my head and facial features are big in scale like Lady Gaga and can carry huge geometric sunglasses and jewelry. So it's also pretty intuitive and holistic for men.
Surely some soft gamines could be mistaken for soft dramatics as soft dramatic can be medium height and even short, rarely and narrow, soft gamines are narrow and can be as tall as 5'6/5'7 ? Soft gamines are also sharp (small scale) with curve(s), soft flesh and features and can have some vertical. You don't have to have the same essence as your body i.d either so I think some people may be confused between those two. How would you differentiate the two?
SGs won’t be taller than 5’4/5’5! If they have vertical, they are going to be very petite or else the vertical will cancel petite and make them just vertical + curve, so not SGs. In Kibbe’s system the essence and the body are always connected, it’s an image system after all. There will be a noticeable difference in essence between SD and SG.
In Kibbe you have only one essence, your ID’s essence. It doesn’t translate from other systems, for example Kibbe and Kitchener gamine are completely different. So if you try to base it on the essence you have in other systems it will probably not work. It will just confuse you instead of helping you.
I love the kibbe system, and it has really helped me, but..... When I first started to look into this system years ago, I was so confused, as well as hurt. Im 5'9 and now that I know it, obviously a soft dramatic, but getting to that point took me a long time and I had to deal with some misconceptions about myself and also with the way that others may perceive me. Words like large, angular, masculine, big, undelicate, etc. where such hard things for me to get past. I dont have large feet for my height, I dont look un symmetrical, I dont have a large sharp nose, and the list goes on. Some of this denial as to what my shape was is because of those harsh words and the way that they made me feel. In my head being those things made me unattractive and unfeminine. I want to say that that is totally untrue! First off, your shape and size does not make you either attractive or unattractive. Understanding how clothes fit on your frame to help you make the most of your uniqueness has nothing to do with that. Secondly those descriptive words are relative. I dont have a large sharp nose but my nose is longer than the nose of someone who is sitting on a smaller frame. The overall size of the nose is the same proportion on both of our faces but because my face is larger in scale then my nose is as well. It would look very odd if it wasn't. The biggest thing that helped me to find my own type was to finally understand what this system was really used for. It is a system designed by a stylist who understood how clothing was made and how to tailor it to fit the many different bodies out there. A good example would be to take a taller woman, an average height woman, and a shorter woman to a jean store. If they all bought the exact same jeans, the odds would be that they wouldn't fit 2 of the 3 women. Why? Because the leg length, the crotch length, the rise of the jeans allow the jeans to fit a certain set of measurements. A taller woman might have a 32 inch inseam, an average woman a 30 inch inseam, and a shorter woman a 28 inch inseam. Each of the body types has to make adjustments to their clothing to make them fit their shape, the eaiest way to do this is to find clothing that already gets closer to fitting them. Example: soft dramatics have a long frame so they need to accommodate for that. Wearing longer clothing helps keep their frame proportional and makes clothing easier and more comfortable for them to wear. Soft Dramatics have curve, curve is interesting in the kibbe world because all woman have curve but the types of curve they have is what defines curve for the kibbe system. If you have curve that extends to the side of your frame, I call this side boob, then this is the type of curve that needs a different accommodation than normal and kibbe states this as curve accommodation. In this case when you shop for clothing you will do better with clothing that allows more room in the breast/hip area. If you dont do this your clothing will pull awkwardly and not fit you. You will constantly be adjusting your clothing on your frame. The whole kibbe system is designed to help you shop for clothing that makes you shine. It also helps you choose clothing that feels good and keeps your uniqueness at front stage. We are not cookie cutters and we shouldn't look like them. I love the freedom to embrace my height, my curve, and even my larger frame. When I figured this out, I found a way to feel truly beautiful for the first time in my life. So thank you kibbe and all the other people who have invested the time to help me get to this point. Interestingly: my mother is a FN, my daughters are FN, and R, and my daughter in law is a TR. Going shopping with all these women used to be a nightmare for me, and now I have so much fun!! Instead of trying to fit into clothes that would look great on one of them I try on clothes that look great on me and if I find an outfit that fits the lines of one of them I very happily put it in their pile for them to try on!
It’s the name of a stylist who came up with this system! He is one of the many stylists who worked with the yin-yang theory, I’d say that him and Kitchener have maintained the most popularity.
Do you think color essence ( seasons) makes any determination in style? I am most definitely a SD, and am between light and soft summer. I read somewhere one of these people said you can only be a ss if you're a SD. I don't agree with that at all. But what are your thoughts? Perhaps a leaning more into Ss hence the "mystery" factor of the muted season?@@stylebysophianicole
@@7goldglamour777color is something soo personal and is not related to your ID. Any ID can have soft/bright/medium or light/dark/medium colors as their best colors. Waiting for example, all gamines having high contrast in color is inaccurate because there is gamines with low contrast.
You are the most accurate and understanding of kibbe type channel!!
You are the only reliable source in the entire kibbe community from online youtube. I love how you only always use verfied celebrities and only go by exactly what kibbe means.
FINALLY someone that compared dramatic classic to soft dramatic, this is why you are one of my favorite kibbe channels. Honestly this has been an (insane) challenge for me as i have been trying to figure out my kibbe for years - I'm 1,68cm and people very often perceive me as taller than i am (and i mean OFTEN okay this is something that happened even before I knew aboht kibbe) so when i first got in touch with kibbe studies and such i figured i woukd be in the dramatic family (but couldn't be pure dramatic because i need waisy emphasis on my outfits or I look like a bizarre square/baloon), but sometimes the very flashy and more yin recommendations of SD sometimes felt off (i wasnt sure) so i ended up on dramatic classic which made sense to me in terms of style (wearing smaler and more geometric things) however it always bothered me the recommendation on DC said waist emphasis wasnt a must and well, the height/vertical issue - but i kept on DC cause i figured ..okay it's not gonna always go by the book and be perfect.
And then kibbe says that anyone taller than 1,67 is wother D,SD or FN and MAN I'm back to square one LOL
Same here! I thought I'm Dramatic Classic for years until I realized I'm too tall. The reason it was hard to recognize that I am SD was because everyone is using Sophia Loren as an example, and she is so voluptuous while I am slim and slender. It took doing a test with a friend and her pointing out my curve and then looking up photos of slim SDs to realize it.
@@foreveronthemove yeah after a LONG journey I'm back to SD finally. Someone else also pointed out the vertical and the curve and there's basically no other thing I can be I figured after years of studying and searching
*waist definition
Thank you, Sophia. I was first "misdiagnosed" as a dramatic classic, based on my pics and answers on the test. But even that was mixed, equal amount of A answers and C answers, and some D and E (some face features and prominent body features). Thank you for all your help.
Thanks for watching!! Yes, the test doesn’t work unfortunately, I believe Kibbe has mentioned that his publisher told him to include it because quizzes were all the rage back when the book was released. But he has said himself that it doesn’t work.
@@stylebysophianicole I was typed as either a tall DC or an SD (I’m 5’8) but a lot of people are saying I have a classic essence based on my face. Does that make me more likely to be a DC if I don’t have a dramatic face?
@@Dmerytno,your body ID do not always match with your face energie.
🌹These essence videos are really helping me more and more! Really looking forward to seeing more videos about the next kibbe type :)
Mar West used to wear specially made platforms to significantly increase her height, they would be added on to her own shoes to give appearance of being taller. It's unclear whether Kibbe knows this. So her height might be more of a n unintentional red herring
I think he knows, he seems knowledgeable on old Hollywood. I think her essence and casting is why she is SD, she is better inspiration to SDs than anyone yin. It wouldn’t make sense to use her as an example for SG or TR, she is so bold!
🌹idk how else to put it, but I trust your videos haha
Aw, thank you!!
Im glad you actually give out accurate information remember that confirming I was a soft dramatic was a bit of a struggle due to all the waves of misinformation out there but when I look at my pictures I literally can’t see how I could be anything else(especially with my height of 5,9 or 176 cms)
Really enjoyed the video! 🌹
Feature for Soft Classics, please. Thank you for sharing these videos and information and for other Kibbe Body Types and Kitchener Face Essences in the future.
🌹🌹 What do you think of the theory that essence is actually supposed to reflect your personality and not just how others see you?
I don’t like it 😂 The idea that the way you look determines who you are as a person doesn’t sit right with me
@@stylebysophianicole Thank you!! I kept seeing this on reddit lately and it never made sense to me.
It makes sense to me to some extent, because how people see you, they may treat you, and your personality may accommodate to that
@@annalynn9325 I get this but it’s a bit of a slippery slope. What if people make negative assumptions, does that form you into being a less good person? I see what you mean but it’s probably not consistent enough to put it in a system like Kibbe.
🌹 I longed so much for this video❤
very good video
i am 169 cm tall and also thought i was dramatic classic
when I found out that from 167 cm you can only be D SD or FN I thought I could only be D because I have small breasts and narrow shoulders
but when I tried the lines I quickly realized that there was no way I could be a D
Far from it
i have soft features and flesh over on my angular bones and a very pronounced hip
ergo SD
when i tried the SD lines everything suddenly fell into place and i looked amazing
I like this video, it's good for those starting out who don't know. What I want to know as a SD what do we wear casually? Etc? It's not feasible to wear a cocktail dress with high heels daily 😊. I would like to know about low key looks for SD. Do you think bohemian style could work as such? Thanks for the video!
Thank you for this video 🌹
🌹uh-huh, mysterious and reserved, not a diva
Thank you for this clear explanation ❤🌹
I'm 5'7", no prominent shoulder line, short limbs, vertical and curve. I have delicate arms, legs, extremities. I don't know if this is the right system for me.
I don’t really think had much experience with taller women.. honestly I recently retyped myself as a Theatrical Romantic BECAUSE of how delicate and soft my curves were. Structured anything made my body look bulky and even though I’m petite numbers wise my over all body has a whole “delicate wave” going on. I looked at pictures of TR movie stars and saw that my curves looked damn near exactly like Marilyn!
My hands are bigger but that’s quite literally a genetic pass from my dad. My bone are actually much smaller in terms of size and “thin” I don’t identify with SD and this video just proves it. You don’t have to believe everything Kibbe says just because he got most of it right. Remember every single body is unique and individual!
My body looks similar to Ava Gardner but I am much shorter (5'4) and I look more delicate around my shoulders, thorax and in the face. Would that still match SD or should I look more into FG/SG/TR)? Essence wise people usually say they either perceive me as gentle, graceful, a bit naive perhaps and flirtatious, even if that's not my intention usually. 🌹
It depends on what you mean when you say similar, if the proportions are the same but scaled down (so a bit shorter but still elongated), I wouldn’t exclude SD yet. It’s not uncommon at 5’4 at all!
I still don’t see Tracee Ellis Ross as a FN. I was so sure I’m a flamboyant natural as well (I have a very similar body to her, I’m also mixed and have curls) but I feel bit her and I are leaning much more SD. I’ve been wearing FN lines so much and it just doesn’t seem right. Especially now that I’m overweight. I’m so confused 😢😂
Thank you!
Love the video! ♡🥀
🌹 thank you!
I love your videos🌹 Do you still feel like kibbe is helpful for what to actually put on in the morning? I ask this because for a while there were so many ”rules” and now, as I understood, he doesn’t use them at all anymore….?
I get that it wasn’t perfect, but I need rules😂
I mean, I nead SOMETHING to guide me, otherwise it doesn’t help me to know my type (other then for a gala).
I find ”rules” very helpful and never felt limited by them because it is up to me to apply them or not- no little style police controls me.
I need direction on what to wear, but not for these hollywood looks, rather: what is rachel weisz wearing to walmart or when she helps her grandma. Those ORDINARY days.
Because us soft dramatics imho really risk to look frumpy in the ”wrong” combination. (I use the word wrong, I have no issue with it but apologize if it bothers someone).
There are guidelines,you just have to know how to use it in more casual looks. Search sd casual looks on TH-cam, or learn what the guidelines says/your accomodation(vertical,curve). So light fabrics and avoid too many color blocks.
🌹Love your videos!
Do you think Cody Fern is Soft Dramatic or pure Dramatic? There's a lot of intensity there but I feel like he looks not as good with short hair
I agree on dramatic family but there is so little information about how this system works for men that I am not sure which of the two he is. I am leaning pure dramatic.
@@stylebysophianicole in my own experience, it works mostly similar for men. The yin in tall Romantic men like Richard Gere and Lorenzo Lamas manifest in small, rounded facial features and smaller scale everywhere despite the actual length of the body. For Colin Firth, it's also the complete lack of solid bone structure with noticeable flesh taking over. For men, visible weight gain will make it clearer to determine their types. I'm a moderate FN male with a long and narrow frame like Nicole Kidman. I gained 15kgs and my upper body becomes much more stocky/ square so the width becomes more visible in the upper chest + shoulder. I always knew I was a tall type because my head and facial features are big in scale like Lady Gaga and can carry huge geometric sunglasses and jewelry. So it's also pretty intuitive and holistic for men.
Surely some soft gamines could be mistaken for soft dramatics as soft dramatic can be medium height and even short, rarely and narrow, soft gamines are narrow and can be as tall as 5'6/5'7 ? Soft gamines are also sharp (small scale) with curve(s), soft flesh and features and can have some vertical. You don't have to have the same essence as your body i.d either so I think some people may be confused between those two. How would you differentiate the two?
SGs won’t be taller than 5’4/5’5! If they have vertical, they are going to be very petite or else the vertical will cancel petite and make them just vertical + curve, so not SGs. In Kibbe’s system the essence and the body are always connected, it’s an image system after all. There will be a noticeable difference in essence between SD and SG.
@@stylebysophianicole are you saying your main essence will be your kibbie i.d or one of your main two ?, or three ?
In Kibbe you have only one essence, your ID’s essence. It doesn’t translate from other systems, for example Kibbe and Kitchener gamine are completely different. So if you try to base it on the essence you have in other systems it will probably not work. It will just confuse you instead of helping you.
Would Tyra Banks be an good example too? My body resembles Tyra and Sofia Vergara type of body.
Yes.
🌹 I’m just gonna say it! I don’t think Kibbe met many tall women in his life 😅
Great video though 😊
I love the kibbe system, and it has really helped me, but..... When I first started to look into this system years ago, I was so confused, as well as hurt. Im 5'9 and now that I know it, obviously a soft dramatic, but getting to that point took me a long time and I had to deal with some misconceptions about myself and also with the way that others may perceive me. Words like large, angular, masculine, big, undelicate, etc. where such hard things for me to get past. I dont have large feet for my height, I dont look un symmetrical, I dont have a large sharp nose, and the list goes on. Some of this denial as to what my shape was is because of those harsh words and the way that they made me feel. In my head being those things made me unattractive and unfeminine. I want to say that that is totally untrue! First off, your shape and size does not make you either attractive or unattractive. Understanding how clothes fit on your frame to help you make the most of your uniqueness has nothing to do with that. Secondly those descriptive words are relative. I dont have a large sharp nose but my nose is longer than the nose of someone who is sitting on a smaller frame. The overall size of the nose is the same proportion on both of our faces but because my face is larger in scale then my nose is as well. It would look very odd if it wasn't. The biggest thing that helped me to find my own type was to finally understand what this system was really used for. It is a system designed by a stylist who understood how clothing was made and how to tailor it to fit the many different bodies out there. A good example would be to take a taller woman, an average height woman, and a shorter woman to a jean store. If they all bought the exact same jeans, the odds would be that they wouldn't fit 2 of the 3 women. Why? Because the leg length, the crotch length, the rise of the jeans allow the jeans to fit a certain set of measurements. A taller woman might have a 32 inch inseam, an average woman a 30 inch inseam, and a shorter woman a 28 inch inseam.
Each of the body types has to make adjustments to their clothing to make them fit their shape, the eaiest way to do this is to find clothing that already gets closer to fitting them. Example: soft dramatics have a long frame so they need to accommodate for that. Wearing longer clothing helps keep their frame proportional and makes clothing easier and more comfortable for them to wear. Soft Dramatics have curve, curve is interesting in the kibbe world because all woman have curve but the types of curve they have is what defines curve for the kibbe system. If you have curve that extends to the side of your frame, I call this side boob, then this is the type of curve that needs a different accommodation than normal and kibbe states this as curve accommodation. In this case when you shop for clothing you will do better with clothing that allows more room in the breast/hip area. If you dont do this your clothing will pull awkwardly and not fit you. You will constantly be adjusting your clothing on your frame. The whole kibbe system is designed to help you shop for clothing that makes you shine. It also helps you choose clothing that feels good and keeps your uniqueness at front stage. We are not cookie cutters and we shouldn't look like them. I love the freedom to embrace my height, my curve, and even my larger frame. When I figured this out, I found a way to feel truly beautiful for the first time in my life. So thank you kibbe and all the other people who have invested the time to help me get to this point.
Interestingly: my mother is a FN, my daughters are FN, and R, and my daughter in law is a TR. Going shopping with all these women used to be a nightmare for me, and now I have so much fun!! Instead of trying to fit into clothes that would look great on one of them I try on clothes that look great on me and if I find an outfit that fits the lines of one of them I very happily put it in their pile for them to try on!
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Ya, ok. I am a soft dramatic :D
Can you tell me what kibbe means?
It’s the name of a stylist who came up with this system! He is one of the many stylists who worked with the yin-yang theory, I’d say that him and Kitchener have maintained the most popularity.
Do you think color essence ( seasons) makes any determination in style? I am most definitely a SD, and am between light and soft summer. I read somewhere one of these people said you can only be a ss if you're a SD. I don't agree with that at all. But what are your thoughts? Perhaps a leaning more into Ss hence the "mystery" factor of the muted season?@@stylebysophianicole
@@7goldglamour777color is something soo personal and is not related to your ID. Any ID can have soft/bright/medium or light/dark/medium colors as their best colors. Waiting for example, all gamines having high contrast in color is inaccurate because there is gamines with low contrast.
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