I have a very similar story with my kibbe journey. Thought I was a FN because of my shoulders and because I really didn't feel like my shape was very "dramatic" (I'm a very laid back, casual person). However, something didn't feel quite right. When discussing with some friends, they pointed out my curves and that my height (5' 10") is quite dramatic! Reviewing SD types, my body shape definitely lines up; however, as such a causal person I do not relate to many of the style recommendations. Just now embarking on my journey to try to piece together outfits that suite my taste while also respecting my lines, which is how I found your video. I'm looking forward to diving further into your videos-- thanks!
Thanks for your comment! Hope your journey is going well. It may be that you're SD but have a natural essence so that needs to be displayed in your outfits.
Definitely you are a SD. I’ve been struggling for the same reason!! Your video helped me a lot. It’s really hard to see ourselves, seeing you has just what I needed. Thank you ❤
SD really works to your advantage. Your hair is really pretty in this video, lenght and shine is great. More volume would be wow! I want to see your journey. Team without tiny belt! This skirt has enough waist definition on its own. Your waist is defined, not short, no tummy issues, so good fitting cloths do emphasize your waist already and enough to let the eyes wander smoothly. I especially like the tonal ensembles with darker trousers. Refined, confident and kind of well grounded strength.
The outfits looked great on you! I'm pretty sure you are a Soft Dramatic just from seeing how well the outfits worked for your figure. I'm also a Soft Dramatic and I feel the struggle of dressing an angular, tall, yet curvy body type. Watching videos like these help me appreciate the unique beauty of the Soft Dramatic and makes me feel more confident. Thank you for the video! ❤❤
I would vote you are flamboyant natural! You have that broad beautiful natural smile and the natural jawline as well along with the open face and vibe of the naturals. Another reason I feel you are natural is I bet your hair looks amazing with some air and movement in it. There are curvy flamboyant naturals which is really confusing when curves are the first thing you think of with soft dramatics. Just a thought for you if the soft dramatic clothing, hair, and make up feel off after some experimenting! I believe Ally Art has a video on curvy flamboyant natural. Enjoy your journey!
Yes curvy FNs really confuse things! I’ve tried FN lines in the past and I feel scruffy in them. My hair looks really unkempt if it has movement in it, like a wash and go/tousled effect. I’ve seen Aly’s video a few times and I find it confusing lol. I feel more comfortable trying out SD lines so I’m gonna keep exploring that.
@@vickilouise7764Definitely follow the path that you feel good in. I think you’re an SD, but at the end of the day, you will feel beautiful in the lines & colors recommended for your typing. I think you’re on the right track. What’s your color season?
I loved this video !! love that you are a SD, I totally agree with you on being a SD as I am also a Soft dramatic and relate to your body shape and how clothes fit to a T ! loved all the info you put out here too, i struggled between SD and FN and SD just felt me 100x more! I lovee your SD fits so much and can't wait to see more of them as i am a Soft Autumn as well so seeing your autumn fits plus SD lines is perfect inspo!! You actually remind me alot of Adele who is now a verified SD and soft autumn!! which is incredible haha, i cant remember if you were a true or soft autumn but loved this so much cant wait for more 😍🤩🥰 love from Australia!
Thank you so much for such a lovely comment! I'm really enjoying exploring SD :) Ooh love being compared to Adele haha thank you! I've always loved her makeup so perhaps I'll try to emulate that. I'm a true autumn!
I haven't had a chance to watch one of your videos for a while. I put this on on today and my very first thought was, wow, her make-up looks great. I don't know what you changed, but it really suits you. If this is soft-Dramatic, I think you must be one. Your hair, make-up and shirt are spot on.
You are definitely a soft dramatic, as I am. We have similar bodies, except my hips are wider. But also, these style of outfits fit us similarly... and also you exude the SD essence in all of them. The first outfit was enough for me to to agree to SD for you. There is a particular way in which skirts fit us....and a length that looks majestic on us, but dowdy on others. Skirts are often a telltale indicator for SDs, imo.
@@vickilouise7764 You sure do exude it. Definitely not FN...but many SDs think they are FN. But there is actually a significant difference in those bones,and overall sense of width . Once one spots the difference. BINGO!
I enjoyed watching you talk about your journey to finding your kibbe body type. You made a strong case for being a soft dramatic which shows you've researched a lot. I am a soft natural myself who does have to accommodate shoulders and I stand a bit shorter so this helped me with understanding via contrast. I watched your color analysis for autumns and the earth tones look great. The long dress was stunning with the long knit cardigan. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much! I'm still torn on my Kibbe ID but I'm starting to really learn what does and doesn't work for me, so however that aligns with Kibbe I'm not sure lol.
I see more of a blunt and wide bone structure on you than narrow and sharp. But you definitely have the long verticle line to accommodate. Try flamboyant natural?
@@betweenhisshoulders are they also not SD lines too? The separates are the same colour to avoid a mix and match, and long cardigans are suggested for SDs. I’m still trying to get my head around all this lol!
@@vickilouise7764 the reqs for FN and SD are very similar. I understand. Plus, there's so much incorrect info online. SD jackets should have broad shoulders and long lines. FN jackets should be long, unconstructed, and loose. The cardigan over the dress gives you that free, natural look. That's very flattering on you. SDs are flattered by shoulder emphasis. You carry the cardigan well on your shoulders, without emphasis.
@@betweenhisshoulders thank you for the explanation. Do you see more of a need for width accommodation in me than curve? I do feel much more at home in SD recs but I’m still not 100% sure.
I think these soft dramatic lines are beautiful for you! I’ve considered SD myself. I fit most of the romantic traits except I’m 5’6 (168) so just a tick above the height limit 😂 but I don’t have width and don’t shine in classic styles 🤷🏽♀️ I’ll be interested to see how you incorporate your natural classic clothing personality with SD!
Have you ever considered soft Gamine? Also, Soft Dramatics are dramatics with romantic undercurrents! So you could be one that's more curvy or you could have a different facial/style essence.
Your SD determination process sounds pretty identical to mine! That comment about people always telling you that you look tall is great evidence towards the dramatic family (and something I've experienced so many times as well haha). I'm a big fan of Ellie Jean too, I think she's absolutely fantastic! I'm gonna dig into your other style videos- I'm super interested to see what you've been able to determine for your style roots.
I only just discovered you Vicki, you have a Rosie HW look about you and very much a diva essence to you. I think I’m also a soft dramatic like yourself and I’ve only just fathomed that out too. Your video helped me a lot as we share a similar figure but my face throws me off. You’d look lovely with knee high boots with the dress and cardigan outfit and a big fur shawl scarf style. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! X
I’m 1m75, hourglass and textbook soft dramatic, and we do look a lot like each other in term of body shape! Also the jewelry and makeup really suit you and nothing seems too much. I definitely think you are a soft dramatic, too! I think SD’s can definitely rock a top+trousers outfit, Sofia Vergara is a great example of how to do soft dramatic in a more casual way, or with trousers, and she demonstrates accessories really help. I would look into statement belts for your trousers, and also into the right type of bags to compliment your outfits.
Thank you for confirming! I've saved a lot of Sofia Vergara's outfits on Pinterest, she really knows what works for her! Thank you for the suggestions, what type of bags do you recommend?
I also think that you are SD. It took me 5 years to figure that out. In the end, I had Merriam Style type me because I wanted to know for sure and I think she has the best eye for it. When I saw that I was SD, I was shocked because I wouldn't have guessed it in my life. I always thought of DC or D. However, it never felt right for me to dress in that style either. I also have to say that I am 1.69 m tall and have an A cup size - the main reason why I would never have thought of SD. Now I feel totally at home with statement jewelry and all the other recommendations. Retrospectively, I've always been attracted to these things too. Anyway - welcome to the SD family and best regards from Germany.
I'm a Soft Natural (5'3" with broad shoulders and upper back and a defined waist). Seeing you in the SD outfits and makeup, I thought you were really brought to life. I have always thought your jewellery looked small on you but I thought it was your choice to wear authentic gold and gemstone jewellery. Nevertheless I look forward to seeing you wearing some more dramatic earrings and necklaces. Maybe a larger long amber or tiger's eye pendant? Some larger hoops? Even a long scarf? You might only need a few pieces, as you so consistently wear your Autumn Leaf colours.🍁
Oh wow that's so lovely, thank you! Yes, my jewellery is quite small and delicate. It's interesting that you thought it looked small on me, I'm now starting to see this too! Great suggestion for a larger necklace, I definitely want to get more statement earrings too. I have a silk-like scarf that I can start wearing more regularly.
Wow, you really did an amazing job with that visual info graphic hourglass references. It's such a simple example but one that REALLY works imho. I recently found a video of a stylist measuring around the shoulders, the bust, the waist and the low hips, I've never seen anyone incorporating the shoulders into the measurements. With the simple "bust - waist - hips" measurements taken, I always got told I was a lower heavy hourglass (for pear my upper back flares out too much, for an actual hourglass my bust lacks volume). Adding in the shoulder measurement changed a lot for me, because my shoulders actually are my very widest body part (and I do not work out at the moment, so no muscle has been built on my delts to widen that area). That completely changes the way the proportions are viewed. And that actually matches up way better with me being FN. I am very sure that I am one because these clothing lines are the ones that look best on me. When I thought I might be SN, I constantly felt weird in the recommended lines. And I had to wear padded bras to be able to fill in the blouses and dresses I found in the SN lines. For FN I can just throw something on and it will automatically fit and look good. So I would say, if one feels like they have to make a lot of alterations to kinda fit the clothes in the lines they think match their Kibbe ID, it might not be the right Kibbe ID. Give me a simple oversized shirt with a boat neck and a pair of flared jeans and I will look put together. Or the current trending oversized and super long trench coat shape with the dropped shoulder: Amazing for me. That's one trend I do appreciate because I finally found a trench coat I really love wearing. And I do think you are right. You look better in more fitted clothes to an extent that would probably not work that well for a FN. I am looking forward to your video on style roots, especially since it took me so long to actually figure mine out. (Just because I was in a transitional phase and kinda wasn't too sure what I really liked on myself.) Once I did figure it out, I felt it was easy to find a way to put all the elements together. The style roots really were like a missing link for me.
Thank you! That hourglass visual really helped solidify it for me. It's so interesting that shoulder measurements aren't usually taken into consideration! Sounds like FN is a great fit for you :) That's so important what you say about if you're trying too hard for something to work on you then it's probably not your ID. That's why Kibbe is good in a way because you're not fighting against your body, you're honouring it. Style roots is such an interesting concept, and I'm enjoying trying to balance that with Kibbe and HoC.
I like the SD idea on you and understand why the FN could feel off. I have the same battle as you and also think I’m best in SD. One thing I’ve found that works for me do I don’t feel like I’m trying to go to prom ever day I’d to wear a lot of one color outfits with a crisp tailored shirt over. This helps me feel pulled together, strong and also professional for work.
Is there any reason we can’t treat Kibbe types like Kitchener essences, in that we could combine them if it makes sense? Like, you could be 50% FN and 50% SD? Because surely no one fits perfectly into one type, and I find the height restrictions really limiting. For example, I’m pretty sure I’m a soft dramatic (yang bone structure - 5’7, very long arms and legs and long, thin, hands and feet, large bust, mixed facial features, but yin flesh - very round and fleshy, soft cheeks etc). The only part that doesn’t fit is that my shoulders and rib cage are very narrow. My girlfriend is the same height as me. She is definitely not a natural because she has a very round hourglass shape, and not dramatic because other than her height she is entirely yin. And yet there is no way she is the same type as me - she has much more yin everywhere, shorter, rounded arms, legs, hands and feet, rounder face etc. If it wasn’t for her height I would say she was a pure romantic. To me it would just make more sense to combine them but idk if there’s some point that I’m missing
I quite like that idea but Strictly Kibbe and Kibbe enthusiasts would say that you are only one ID. I think I'm an FN but as I'm a curvy FN I actually take on board more of the advice for SD as I feel it fits my body better. And as for essences I don't think I have much natural, I have more classic and romantic. I guess it's just choosing to follow whatever you feel fits better with who you are :)
Just clicked the thumbs down arrow by accident!! Please disregard, in fact I LOVED this video & I can say I had the EXACT same progression you described from FN to realizing I was SD! You really inspired me about what to do next! Makeup looks gorgeous :)
Fallen down the Kibbe rabbit hole this past month. I’m stuck between dramatic class and soft dramatic. I’m also 5’7” but I don’t appear tall! Apparently when I lose weight (currently UK 14) I appear taller and more willowy 🤷♀️ I love the outfit selections and explanations. I agree with some others to try a cowl necklines for the more drapey look to see how it feels. The bit that put me off SD was the romantic twist, I don’t see curve on myself or a sensual appearance - but I think that’s the essence part confusing things (I think I lean more classic in my essence?). I can see why there is confusion with the FN for you with your shoulders being ever so slightly wider than hips?? but I would say embrace the SD and own it as it’s really suits you!
I think you're slightly too tall to be dramatic classic - but then there's always exceptions like Audrey Hepburn who's tall to be a gamine, so who knows lol! Yes I think the essence part of Kibbe can be an issue for some people as they don't often relate to the essence, and in Kibbe they're the same as the ID. I'm like you, more classic in essence. Thanks for your help :)
Which brands and shops are best for the modern soft dramatic!? It’s so interesting to find yourself p, the cut colour and fabric types. It makes life easier and more confident!
I thought I was FN for a while until I tried on dresses that were loose around my waist and they did nothing for me. I look amazing with Monica Bellucci style dresses/D&G style etc. It’s definitely tricky when you are tall and have broad shoulders. I think the key difference is needing to cinch the waistline for the SD and accentuate the curves. Also SDs have a horrible time finding comfy casual outfits.
I agree about the dresses. I also think I need waist emphasis/definition with dresses which is more SD than FN, but it may be that as a curvy FN that is just what suits me? Ah it's so confusing lol, I'm not sure where I fit.
Outfit number 3 is gorgeous on you! I have been on a style journey this last year and am starting to think l am a short SD. I am 5 ft 2 but Kibbe verified SD Mae West was only 5 ft!!!
I also thought FN was me and have gravitated to SD. Because FN are too square, too big and while people tell you to ignore the face, Kibbe doesn't actually; and It turns out my face is more sharp and romantic looking, at the same time, which is baically how SD is described. Plus, well, I kept wondering why they said FN never actually look gooid in Dramatic clothing when, in fact, I do. I have passed for Dramatic many times as long as I wasn't standing next to a real one.
I agree you're an SD! Have you looked into Kitchener essences btw? I think there might be some FN essence influence in your facial features that most likely threw you off. The outfits looked great on you but i noticed that you can somewhat carry a slightly undone hairdo if done correctly 😁
You have exactly the same body shape as me! I'm 5ft 8 and was thinking that I was a Soft Dramatic but you've confirmed it for me. Are those Zara trousers still available in outfit 3? They're lovely!
4:47 yes definitely you are right. Btw I somewhere found that Bella Hadid is SD, even though she lost lots of weight she is, and she definitely doesn't have big boobs. To me you are pretty much SD, I don't know why people in the comments keep mentioning FN. It's so obvious you are SD.
So... looking at the clothes, I haven't really seen kibbe curve accommodating pieces. So far, you've just accomodated vertical. So you have dressed for a Dramatic. The pieces do not go around the curve or have a romantic essence. Think ruching, surplice neckline, corset style top with stiffness, wrap top etc. These pieces are made to work around the curve. Curve accommodating isn't just hugging or skimming the curves. I think including that would make it SD as it would include curve accommodation to the vertical you've already done so well. And they all look lovely on you in this video especially the black (if that's the color) dress. I encourage people to fully commit when testing lines as that's the only way to fully rule out something. Depending on the stretch in the fabric D, FN and SD can wear all these pieces you've shown. It rules out nothing. But only an SD can wear the curve focused pieces. Essence wise, I think you have some drama in you, but perhaps personality wise you prefer the natural laid back style. When you wore the turtle neck and put your hair in a ponytail... jeez the drama was 1000%. Serving hot boss lady. You are so beautiful.
This is a really helpful comment, thank you. It's tricky cos I'm working with the clothes I have, I don't really wanna buy anything new unless it's something I've put a lot of thought into. I know clothes don't have IDs but perhaps the ones I chose in this video, like you say, aren't curve accomodating so aren't the best SD-friendly choice. But now it means I can do another similar video haaha! Thank you much for your last comment, love that! So kind of you :)
@@vickilouise7764 I understand. Please you don't have to spend unnecessarily on our account. Perhaps you could try on in store and bring us with you. It's hard to spend on things you are just trying out, especially if returns are a hassle. I know this economy has definitely made me cautious. Love your content. 💕
I'm 5'11" and decidedly a Soft Dramatic! I'm trying to move back towards that currently in my attire...but I've always felt that dressing as a SD when you are a regular person and not a movie star can be a bit hard, like you are trying to be something you're not. However, I'm ready to give it another "go". I've lost a good bit of weight over the years...put some beta-blocker weight on because COVID made my heart go into A-Fib and I had to take them until I had a cardiac ablation...but finally took the weight off again this summer. I was at the doctor again yesterday for a "wellness check" and surprisingly, I hadn't gained any weight back...the surprise was the way I was eating Halloween candy the week before! I'd dearly love to take off another 25-35 pounds before spring...which would get me close to my high school/college weight, and then I would feel better about investing in some appropriate SD clothes.
Yes, SD has that 'diva chic' essence which doesn't easily translate itself to everyday outfits. We'll figure out a way though! Good luck with your weight loss! :)
Your beauty shines through everything obv, but the drama doesn't appear sincere or organic on you but rather put on and exaggerated. FN all the way. The face, the talk, the movements, the vibe...also many FNs do have curves, but they are still frame dominated and will look best in relaxed and structured materials and lines. Even without the knowledge of the kibbe system, I would describe my first impression of you "natural", "joyful" and "open"; quite a textbook fn imo. 🍂
Aw thank you so much! It’s so interesting to hear how I’m being perceived by others, especially your use of the word ‘open’ as I wouldn’t describe myself as open 😅
I just don’t agree - she’s not frame dominant enough to be FN. I had a look at her IG capsule wardrobe pics & her upper torso doesn’t have the FN width. FNs can have curves, but those curves won’t need accommodation. Aly Art has a great video comparing SDs to FNs that helps a lot to know how to distinguish the two.
Early in the video, As a soft dramatic, your face Screams the same. Your nose, cheeks and large eyes soften the oblong face shape and give it some romance. And after seeing the fully body, yeeeeaaah. Exact same body type as me. And I’m 5’11” but looking you I swear you could be my height lol
i only really relate to soft gamine but with my height the only thing i can techinically be is soft dramatic but it just doesnt feel like it fits me so im so stumped
I'm in a different quandry. I am a normal hourglass shape with my hips, shoulders and waist all equal in measurement and a waist thats 30% smaller. I'm 5'9. That means I should be SD or curvy FN but I dont look as tall as I am. I don't think I'm frame dominant or curve dominant. I look best in classic lines but I'm too tall. So I wear classic lines 😂
What's most important is to wear what you feel comfortable in! That'll shine through in classic lines :) Getting too caught up in style systems can be restrictive.
I gave up on figuring out what my type was too. But now I think I am a soft dramatic too. It was what I thought I was originally but…. Kept going down the rabbit hole
Your bust pass the arms shoulder lines; I am struggling with it, finding if I am SD or FN, since I have wide hips, someone said I could be a wider FN. Very helpful video, thanks you ❤
Aly Art has a great video about “Curvy FNs” and compares them to SDs. The Natural family isn’t necessarily about shoulder width alone. It’s about that upper rib cage/torso area. Are your ribs/bones wider than the hip bones? Because it’s about bone structure, not flesh. Like, are your hips’ width there because of the fleshiness or because your hip bones are that wide? You know what I mean?
You look amazing in soft dramatic outfits! I have been so lost with kibbe because I feel it's bit limitng for taller people. I'm 170 cm so technically I can only fall under one of those few body types. I don't have any curves so can't be SD and I'm not narrow and sharp like dramatics. But even though I have wider bone structure, flamboyant natural outfits look so sloppy on me. If I wear something oversized, chunky and layers, I get lost in the outfit and look . I actually think I look my absolute best in Dramatic Classic, but I don't know if a professional would put me under that body type.
It is limiting for taller people but I found that quite helpful cos I could only be one of three types. If you feel your best in DC lines then I'd say keep going for that :)
Love this for you. I still see a very natural/classic toned down makeup look on you in this video. For tr winged eyeliner is very pronounced and brows and lips are defined. Despite their features being delicate, the glam is effortless. You being an SD can definitely up the ante for sure and I'd like to see you play with that even if only for the video and not real life. Increase the coats of mascara or try falsies. Define the brows. Try a winged smokey rich sultry eye. More volume in hair curls. You are right about the bold or statement jewelry on SD. Have fun experimenting and exploring.
My go to makeup look is quite toned down so I'll definitely try a bolder makeup look then! I love how Adele does her makeup so will try to emulate some of that. I'll also either buy a tinted brow product or get mine tinted to add in a bit more definition. Trying to get volume in my hair is such an uphill battle though! That's why I wanna try some SD updoes that are easy cos then it's not as volume-dependant. Thank you for a helpful comment :)
I just had an analysis done by Ellie-Jean, and she told me I was a Soft Dramatic. Now I'm trying to absorb as much information as possible. I was really surprised because I'm not very tall, and I thought the Dramatics category would be the last on the list for me. Clearly, I'm a complete novice. 😫
SDs are moderate in height so you don't need to be very tall, it's about vertical lines in your body and sharpness in your frame. How is it going now? Any more used to it?
I think after really reading the booklet I got and thinking about it more. It does makes sense it was just really because I always thought I was quite short and had stumpy legs but apparently not. 😂 I am now really just trying to think before buying anything and trying to figure out what my style is it’s so difficult as it doesn’t really come natural to me.
You look great in that long ivory cardigan! I did a fairly deep dive into Kibbe, and couldn't decide between Gamine and Dramatic Classic, which are supposedly near opposites, yet some debate which one Audrey Hepburn should be (I think she was typed Gamine, but I've read she was 5'7"). Anyway, as with most systems, not everyone fits in the "buckets". I decided I'm some eclectic mix (which defines Gamine, but I don't like the staccato, color blocking, etc). I *think* maybe horizontal and vertical measuring systems might be more helpful, ie hip/shoulders, and vertical proportions (Fashion Fit Formula).
Thank you! I love to throw on this cardigan this time of year when things got cold, but it still looks good :) I've not come across Fashion Fit Formula but I'll take a look!
@@vickilouise7764 the Fashion Fit Formula is a proprietary measuring system, available for $100 from Nada Manley on TH-cam (for example, that's where I heard about it), but there are many similar if different systems published that can be used. You measure yourself and then see where you are shorter than average. This can be a big nothing burger or life-changing, depending 😆. I've done a few myself and gained significant insight into why certain things were always a problem, for example I'm average height, 5'5", 115 lbs, but average jeans never fit my body, I need "tall, curvy, 12" highrise" (in Madewell brand, but not Everlane! 😆). And petite tops(unless they are long sleeve, because I have long arms) fit best because my shortest segment is top of head to waist! Who woulda guessed, as looking at me I appear fairly average...
What about a SD with small bust? I'm 6 ft tall, quite sharp facial features, my shoulders are quite narrow. My hips are curved but I'm not overly feminine (round) shaped in general. I have no diva chique vibes nor feel attracted to old Hollywood style. Confusing 😂 for a long time I thought I'm DC but I'm too tall. I'm dedinitely not a D.
Oh it's so confusing lol, I feel you! SDs can definitely have a small bust, that's what originally made me think I'm not SD as I'm not busty like Sophia Loren, for eg. The clothing suggestions are out dated so you can be SD and still dress modern, although it is more tricky!
Are you a little overweight or gained weight even? Look at Taylor Swift (She’s not overweight, but has gained) she looks more curvaceous now in the hips , narrow shoulders, smaller bust but is a verified D.
I mean, this style work for you for sure. You have the curves to pull outfits like this off. Tricky to know is, if those clothes really represent you. And if so, how you make this style your own. I'm actually quite the opposite. Very petite and no visible curves at all despite having a big bust. I lean towards, classic and natural styles. I'm quite sure I am some type of a gamin, but I am not a hundert percent sure.
@@vickilouise7764 Yes, true, I wouldn't be surprised if anyone classified me as any type of gamine. Yes, finding one's style is so hard, because most of the time, more than one style type might speak to you. I think, this part is way more complicated than finding one's colours. Like you, I don't like to be too casual. Took me a while to find out, that I don't really like jeans (well who doesn't like jeans) and what do do so get a bit of a sporty look (but still nice and put together when going for a walk or hike). Things like that
Please try Soft Natutal. Thats all I kept thinking the whole video. I know 'the height' and 'the shoulders', but it isn't the exact science. I am willing to bet you are SN. ❤
2nd message, could you be another case like Dakota Johnson 5'7 where nobody agrees on her Kibbe identity and goes from being in the Natural , Classic and Dramatic family 🙂 Though myself I don't see her in the Natural element I think Dakota J. has too much sharpness to be in the N family . I think she is somewhere between DC and SD but she really leans towards needing some Classic structure in my opinion , Eva
Haha I would love to be like Dakota Johnson! She's actually one of my style inspirations :) Yes I see a lot of sharpness in her too. Thanks again for your great comments!
@@vickilouise7764 There’s also the case of Olivia Munn which is pretty curvaceous and feminine , 5'7 and Kibbe typed Dramatic Classic and you can see how well Classic structure define her . I see you closer to these women , I don't see you sharing the same vibes of Sofia Vergara and I don't see that drama in you , I really see you in the Classic family with a bit of natural and romantic drama mix , basically Natural Classic talks better imho and even merges with your essences , but anyway what matters is the style picture we have in our mind 🙂
Just gonna mention a cheat on the vertical; a long cardigan, coat or scarf and you can wear more contrast in the rest of the outfit, cause you have an intact vertikal line ☺️
I agree with SD. My understanding is Kibbe at basic level is a fit system, and where does fit need to accommodate the body? If one is tall and hourglass, and one does NOT have issues that the shoulders in garments tend to be too small for their body, but instead their fit issue is to accommodate the bust, that’s not FN, that’s SD.
Hey Vicki! Just so you know waist emphasis is not recommended for SDs as it cuts vertical. It was on the SK page :) Waist definition is ok, but belts or ties that cut the vertical would not be recommended as far as my understanding.
If you can wear marks and Spencer’s trousers probably you are flamboyant natural. They don’t cater to soft dramatics in their advertising. Best wishes on your journey and more content please.
We have the same body type. I am 172 cm tall. And I feel the most me in sofr dramatic clothes. I also don't have big boobs, but a very curvy lines (hourglass shape), almost indenticall to you. I look great with quite dramatic makeup, and I have curly hair. Big blouaut hair also looks great on me. The moast important style rule for me is defining waist line.
I’m not totally sold on SD because even though you have curve you have width in your shoulders. And width overrides curves. Your shoulder seams seem to go beyond your hips. I agree with the FN comments. I also was confused between the two for myself so I understand why you’re asking. I also see the FN structure in your facial features.
It does make sense though Kibbe changed on height and Diana Rigg 5'9 was typed a Dramatic Classic and Heidi Klum 5'91/2 a Natural . I see what you mean but don't totally see you at ease with it unlike when you are closer to classic , but then again I never saw too much of the natural element for you so it's confusing .But maybe of course your style will evolve towards the hyper feminine and voluptuous once you embrace it .... Exciting to follow what you decide next ! I'm still confused about myself , I'm 5'9 , inverted triangle , but still questioning FN or DC , I think FN with some classic essence 🙂 Eva
Yes I definitely need to further refine this and see what truly works for me. I think my natural is only present in terms of fabric/materials, my main essence is classic for sure. But like you say I may go full feminine and voluptuous! We will see :) At 5'9 and inverted triangle FN seems most likely for you. Essence is so important though!
I think I’m the opposite. I’m 5ft 9 and test as a soft dramatic but I feel so much more comfortable in flamboyant natural clothing even though I don’t have broad shoulders. I don’t like emphasizing my waist and curves or looking “sexy”. I like long flowing modest clothing. I have a problem with both though because I have a very long torso. The recommendations for a long torso conflict with the recommendations for soft dramatics and flamboyant naturals ie don’t try to shorten the look of your torso. I would feel really uncomfortable in the clingy clothes you tried on. You look like a soft dramatic from the waist down and a flamboyant natural above the waist so I get your confusion. I get confused too in that I am neither hourglass nor broad shouldered so I don’t entirely fit either category. I think the Kebbe system in general can be confusing and doesn’t have a category for everyone.
Soft dramatics and flamboyant naturals are quite similar and their clothing recommendations are often similar too, so it's really difficult to know which one you are! And I agree with you, Kibbe in general is confusing! I guess if you know what works for you and what doesn't then embrace that and try not to get too hung up on fitting into a Kibbe category (I should take this advice but I want to know!! haha!).
I don't think you're SD. You're very FN. You're vibe, body shape, the way your body moves. You're too wide to be SD. SD have high hips whereas you have low hips which is sign of width. ie, Figure 8(SD) vs hourglass shape(FN). SD have thin/dainty and long bones whereas FN have heavy/thick bones, which is what you have. SD also look softer than FN. SD look almost doll-like. You're not soft looking. You look more muscular/stronger. Also basic clothes makes SDs look frumpy and dirty. The outfits you've worn aren't SD but more SC. SD is DRAMATIC GLAMOUR. The outfits you've worn are really conservative and simple.
Altho you are definitely curvy, I do still believe you are a FN. When I look at you I see frame over curves. In my opinion you are frame dominant and not curve dominant. And your beautiful broad jawline and facial features also perfectly fit into the FN description. However the outfits still look amazing on you!
SD is frame dominant too, every D is frame dominant. They just have flash on top of that bones. Her bones aren't blunt at all and she is too soft for FN, but not SN either. She looks exactly like those SD celebrities from decades ago
I hope my comment genuinely helps. I don’t think you are soft dramatic and here’s why. When looking at body types start with the basics. It’s a combination of bone structure and flesh. Bone structure will be sharp, blunt, or soft. Flesh will be dry, athletic, or soft. You have to fit the combination of these things to be a certain body type.The bone structure of a dramatic is undeniably sharp. Think sharpness in the bones of the cheeks, nose, collarbone, wrists, hands, etc. So a SD has sharp bones with soft flesh on top. This is the first test and that’s where it doesn’t quite fit for you. You have very blunt bones. Not only in your face but also in your body. It lacks sharpness. And yes you can slightly fit into hours glass and long vertical but these are very long vertical and very hourglass women. Yours is more on the moderate side. So with blunt bones, soft flesh, moderate to tall vertical, and slight hourglass you don’t fit SD. That being said you look beautiful and I find that we can borrow concepts from body types that are close even if they aren’t fully us.
I have a very similar story with my kibbe journey. Thought I was a FN because of my shoulders and because I really didn't feel like my shape was very "dramatic" (I'm a very laid back, casual person). However, something didn't feel quite right. When discussing with some friends, they pointed out my curves and that my height (5' 10") is quite dramatic! Reviewing SD types, my body shape definitely lines up; however, as such a causal person I do not relate to many of the style recommendations. Just now embarking on my journey to try to piece together outfits that suite my taste while also respecting my lines, which is how I found your video. I'm looking forward to diving further into your videos-- thanks!
Thanks for your comment! Hope your journey is going well. It may be that you're SD but have a natural essence so that needs to be displayed in your outfits.
@@vickilouise7764 yes, this is what i think too, but according to some people that’s impossible 😂😂
@@raegannnnnn in Kibbe your essence is the same as your ID, but you could have a natural essence if you go by the Kitchener system
Definitely you are a SD. I’ve been struggling for the same reason!! Your video helped me a lot. It’s really hard to see ourselves, seeing you has just what I needed. Thank you ❤
Glad it was helpful! Thank you so much :)
You remind me of Adele, I think you're definitely a Soft Dramatic, that turtle neck outfit especially is soo good on you.
Aw thanks! I've had a few people say I look similar to Adele, I'm flattered lol.
SD really works to your advantage. Your hair is really pretty in this video, lenght and shine is great. More volume would be wow! I want to see your journey. Team without tiny belt! This skirt has enough waist definition on its own. Your waist is defined, not short, no tummy issues, so good fitting cloths do emphasize your waist already and enough to let the eyes wander smoothly. I especially like the tonal ensembles with darker trousers. Refined, confident and kind of well grounded strength.
Thank you so much!! Getting volume in my hair is an everyday battle lol.
This is such a lovely comment, thank you for watching :)
The outfits looked great on you! I'm pretty sure you are a Soft Dramatic just from seeing how well the outfits worked for your figure. I'm also a Soft Dramatic and I feel the struggle of dressing an angular, tall, yet curvy body type. Watching videos like these help me appreciate the unique beauty of the Soft Dramatic and makes me feel more confident. Thank you for the video! ❤❤
Oh thank you so much! I'm glad it was helpful :)
THE CREW NECKLINE GETS ME every time !!! I love love love a nice fitted crew, but they don’t love me 😩😩
And crew neck lines are everywhere! Can't escape them!
I would vote you are flamboyant natural! You have that broad beautiful natural smile and the natural jawline as well along with the open face and vibe of the naturals. Another reason I feel you are natural is I bet your hair looks amazing with some air and movement in it. There are curvy flamboyant naturals which is really confusing when curves are the first thing you think of with soft dramatics. Just a thought for you if the soft dramatic clothing, hair, and make up feel off after some experimenting! I believe Ally Art has a video on curvy flamboyant natural. Enjoy your journey!
Yes curvy FNs really confuse things! I’ve tried FN lines in the past and I feel scruffy in them. My hair looks really unkempt if it has movement in it, like a wash and go/tousled effect. I’ve seen Aly’s video a few times and I find it confusing lol. I feel more comfortable trying out SD lines so I’m gonna keep exploring that.
@@vickilouise7764Definitely follow the path that you feel good in. I think you’re an SD, but at the end of the day, you will feel beautiful in the lines & colors recommended for your typing. I think you’re on the right track. What’s your color season?
@@KaytchC1790 thank you! Your comments are helpful 😊 I’m a true autumn.
@@vickilouise7764okay, so I know you’ve been typed by house of color, but hear me out… have you tried Soft Autumn colors? 👀
Facial essence plays into style, not pieces to accommodate your body.
I loved this video !! love that you are a SD, I totally agree with you on being a SD as I am also a Soft dramatic and relate to your body shape and how clothes fit to a T ! loved all the info you put out here too, i struggled between SD and FN and SD just felt me 100x more! I lovee your SD fits so much and can't wait to see more of them as i am a Soft Autumn as well so seeing your autumn fits plus SD lines is perfect inspo!! You actually remind me alot of Adele who is now a verified SD and soft autumn!! which is incredible haha, i cant remember if you were a true or soft autumn but loved this so much cant wait for more 😍🤩🥰 love from Australia!
Thank you so much for such a lovely comment! I'm really enjoying exploring SD :) Ooh love being compared to Adele haha thank you! I've always loved her makeup so perhaps I'll try to emulate that. I'm a true autumn!
Yes she has beautiful makeup! maybe the swap to a medium brown eye liner might make it perfect for you being a true autumn! :) @@vickilouise7764
Love this video!!! And I think this style suits you! You look lovely. Thank you for your content. I really like it
Thank you so much, this is such a kind comment :)
I haven't had a chance to watch one of your videos for a while. I put this on on today and my very first thought was, wow, her make-up looks great. I don't know what you changed, but it really suits you. If this is soft-Dramatic, I think you must be one. Your hair, make-up and shirt are spot on.
Aw thank you so much, that's very kind of you! :)
You are definitely a soft dramatic, as I am. We have similar bodies, except my hips are wider. But also, these style of outfits fit us similarly... and also you exude the SD essence in all of them.
The first outfit was enough for me to to agree to SD for you.
There is a particular way in which skirts fit us....and a length that looks majestic on us, but dowdy on others. Skirts are often a telltale indicator for SDs, imo.
Thank you! I wasn't sure if I emote the SD essence, I wondered if I may be more FN in essence.
@@vickilouise7764 You sure do exude it. Definitely not FN...but many SDs think they are FN. But there is actually a significant difference in those bones,and overall sense of width . Once one spots the difference. BINGO!
@@Cekatu thanks! Feels like the comments are split 50:50 though on FN or SD haha
I enjoyed watching you talk about your journey to finding your kibbe body type. You made a strong case for being a soft dramatic which shows you've researched a lot. I am a soft natural myself who does have to accommodate shoulders and I stand a bit shorter so this helped me with understanding via contrast. I watched your color analysis for autumns and the earth tones look great. The long dress was stunning with the long knit cardigan. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much! I'm still torn on my Kibbe ID but I'm starting to really learn what does and doesn't work for me, so however that aligns with Kibbe I'm not sure lol.
I see more of a blunt and wide bone structure on you than narrow and sharp. But you definitely have the long verticle line to accommodate. Try flamboyant natural?
I’ve tried FN lines in the past and I don’t like it on me, I feel scruffy and frumpy.
@@vickilouise7764 I think you look great in the separates, the wide leg pants, and the open long cardigan, which are all FN lines. Not frumpy at all.
@@betweenhisshoulders are they also not SD lines too? The separates are the same colour to avoid a mix and match, and long cardigans are suggested for SDs. I’m still trying to get my head around all this lol!
@@vickilouise7764 the reqs for FN and SD are very similar. I understand. Plus, there's so much incorrect info online.
SD jackets should have broad shoulders and long lines. FN jackets should be long, unconstructed, and loose. The cardigan over the dress gives you that free, natural look. That's very flattering on you. SDs are flattered by shoulder emphasis. You carry the cardigan well on your shoulders, without emphasis.
@@betweenhisshoulders thank you for the explanation. Do you see more of a need for width accommodation in me than curve? I do feel much more at home in SD recs but I’m still not 100% sure.
10:14 Speaking of hairstyles, I remember watching one of your videos, and you had this sleek low bun there
This hairstyle looked STUNNING on you😍
Oh thank you! I do want to learn a few SD friendly hairstyles, a sleek low bun is one of them, also a French twist as well.
For me your face and your vibe rather an FN. You started to being more relaxed in the long FN cardigan and the looser pants.
Thanks for your comment! I think I'm used to dressing more relaxed so it's something I feel more confident in.
I think these soft dramatic lines are beautiful for you! I’ve considered SD myself. I fit most of the romantic traits except I’m 5’6 (168) so just a tick above the height limit 😂 but I don’t have width and don’t shine in classic styles 🤷🏽♀️ I’ll be interested to see how you incorporate your natural classic clothing personality with SD!
Thank you so much! I'm really enjoying this new aspect to my style evolution, it's definitely a work in progress lol
Right, its the height and the proportions.
Have you ever considered soft Gamine? Also, Soft Dramatics are dramatics with romantic undercurrents! So you could be one that's more curvy or you could have a different facial/style essence.
Your SD determination process sounds pretty identical to mine! That comment about people always telling you that you look tall is great evidence towards the dramatic family (and something I've experienced so many times as well haha). I'm a big fan of Ellie Jean too, I think she's absolutely fantastic! I'm gonna dig into your other style videos- I'm super interested to see what you've been able to determine for your style roots.
Yes I never thought of it that way, it's a good way of pointing me to the dramatic family! Oh thank you, hope you enjoy the other videos :)
I only just discovered you Vicki, you have a Rosie HW look about you and very much a diva essence to you. I think I’m also a soft dramatic like yourself and I’ve only just fathomed that out too. Your video helped me a lot as we share a similar figure but my face throws me off. You’d look lovely with knee high boots with the dress and cardigan outfit and a big fur shawl scarf style. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! X
Ps:those brown trousers look so good!
Oh my goodness thank you so much! RHW is stunning and I love her style! Thanks for the outfit tips and I'm glad the video was helpful :)
I’m 1m75, hourglass and textbook soft dramatic, and we do look a lot like each other in term of body shape! Also the jewelry and makeup really suit you and nothing seems too much. I definitely think you are a soft dramatic, too! I think SD’s can definitely rock a top+trousers outfit, Sofia Vergara is a great example of how to do soft dramatic in a more casual way, or with trousers, and she demonstrates accessories really help. I would look into statement belts for your trousers, and also into the right type of bags to compliment your outfits.
Thank you for confirming! I've saved a lot of Sofia Vergara's outfits on Pinterest, she really knows what works for her! Thank you for the suggestions, what type of bags do you recommend?
I also think that you are SD. It took me 5 years to figure that out. In the end, I had Merriam Style type me because I wanted to know for sure and I think she has the best eye for it. When I saw that I was SD, I was shocked because I wouldn't have guessed it in my life. I always thought of DC or D. However, it never felt right for me to dress in that style either. I also have to say that I am 1.69 m tall and have an A cup size - the main reason why I would never have thought of SD. Now I feel totally at home with statement jewelry and all the other recommendations. Retrospectively, I've always been attracted to these things too. Anyway - welcome to the SD family and best regards from Germany.
I'm a Soft Natural (5'3" with broad shoulders and upper back and a defined waist). Seeing you in the SD outfits and makeup, I thought you were really brought to life. I have always thought your jewellery looked small on you but I thought it was your choice to wear authentic gold and gemstone jewellery. Nevertheless I look forward to seeing you wearing some more dramatic earrings and necklaces. Maybe a larger long amber or tiger's eye pendant? Some larger hoops? Even a long scarf? You might only need a few pieces, as you so consistently wear your Autumn Leaf colours.🍁
Oh wow that's so lovely, thank you!
Yes, my jewellery is quite small and delicate. It's interesting that you thought it looked small on me, I'm now starting to see this too!
Great suggestion for a larger necklace, I definitely want to get more statement earrings too. I have a silk-like scarf that I can start wearing more regularly.
I look forward to seeing some TH-cam videos of you wearing your new looks head to toe.
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Wow, you really did an amazing job with that visual info graphic hourglass references. It's such a simple example but one that REALLY works imho. I recently found a video of a stylist measuring around the shoulders, the bust, the waist and the low hips, I've never seen anyone incorporating the shoulders into the measurements. With the simple "bust - waist - hips" measurements taken, I always got told I was a lower heavy hourglass (for pear my upper back flares out too much, for an actual hourglass my bust lacks volume). Adding in the shoulder measurement changed a lot for me, because my shoulders actually are my very widest body part (and I do not work out at the moment, so no muscle has been built on my delts to widen that area). That completely changes the way the proportions are viewed. And that actually matches up way better with me being FN. I am very sure that I am one because these clothing lines are the ones that look best on me. When I thought I might be SN, I constantly felt weird in the recommended lines. And I had to wear padded bras to be able to fill in the blouses and dresses I found in the SN lines. For FN I can just throw something on and it will automatically fit and look good. So I would say, if one feels like they have to make a lot of alterations to kinda fit the clothes in the lines they think match their Kibbe ID, it might not be the right Kibbe ID. Give me a simple oversized shirt with a boat neck and a pair of flared jeans and I will look put together. Or the current trending oversized and super long trench coat shape with the dropped shoulder: Amazing for me. That's one trend I do appreciate because I finally found a trench coat I really love wearing.
And I do think you are right. You look better in more fitted clothes to an extent that would probably not work that well for a FN.
I am looking forward to your video on style roots, especially since it took me so long to actually figure mine out. (Just because I was in a transitional phase and kinda wasn't too sure what I really liked on myself.) Once I did figure it out, I felt it was easy to find a way to put all the elements together. The style roots really were like a missing link for me.
Thank you! That hourglass visual really helped solidify it for me. It's so interesting that shoulder measurements aren't usually taken into consideration!
Sounds like FN is a great fit for you :) That's so important what you say about if you're trying too hard for something to work on you then it's probably not your ID. That's why Kibbe is good in a way because you're not fighting against your body, you're honouring it.
Style roots is such an interesting concept, and I'm enjoying trying to balance that with Kibbe and HoC.
I like the SD idea on you and understand why the FN could feel off. I have the same battle as you and also think I’m best in SD. One thing I’ve found that works for me do I don’t feel like I’m trying to go to prom ever day I’d to wear a lot of one color outfits with a crisp tailored shirt over. This helps me feel pulled together, strong and also professional for work.
Ah that's a good idea! A lot of the SD advice can feel a bit glam but that's a good idea to 'tone it down' I guess :)
Is there any reason we can’t treat Kibbe types like Kitchener essences, in that we could combine them if it makes sense? Like, you could be 50% FN and 50% SD? Because surely no one fits perfectly into one type, and I find the height restrictions really limiting. For example, I’m pretty sure I’m a soft dramatic (yang bone structure - 5’7, very long arms and legs and long, thin, hands and feet, large bust, mixed facial features, but yin flesh - very round and fleshy, soft cheeks etc). The only part that doesn’t fit is that my shoulders and rib cage are very narrow. My girlfriend is the same height as me. She is definitely not a natural because she has a very round hourglass shape, and not dramatic because other than her height she is entirely yin. And yet there is no way she is the same type as me - she has much more yin everywhere, shorter, rounded arms, legs, hands and feet, rounder face etc. If it wasn’t for her height I would say she was a pure romantic. To me it would just make more sense to combine them but idk if there’s some point that I’m missing
I quite like that idea but Strictly Kibbe and Kibbe enthusiasts would say that you are only one ID. I think I'm an FN but as I'm a curvy FN I actually take on board more of the advice for SD as I feel it fits my body better. And as for essences I don't think I have much natural, I have more classic and romantic. I guess it's just choosing to follow whatever you feel fits better with who you are :)
Just clicked the thumbs down arrow by accident!! Please disregard, in fact I LOVED this video & I can say I had the EXACT same progression you described from FN to realizing I was SD! You really inspired me about what to do next! Makeup looks gorgeous :)
Haha not to worry, I will disregard! Aw thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Fallen down the Kibbe rabbit hole this past month. I’m stuck between dramatic class and soft dramatic. I’m also 5’7” but I don’t appear tall! Apparently when I lose weight (currently UK 14) I appear taller and more willowy 🤷♀️ I love the outfit selections and explanations. I agree with some others to try a cowl necklines for the more drapey look to see how it feels. The bit that put me off SD was the romantic twist, I don’t see curve on myself or a sensual appearance - but I think that’s the essence part confusing things (I think I lean more classic in my essence?). I can see why there is confusion with the FN for you with your shoulders being ever so slightly wider than hips?? but I would say embrace the SD and own it as it’s really suits you!
I think you're slightly too tall to be dramatic classic - but then there's always exceptions like Audrey Hepburn who's tall to be a gamine, so who knows lol!
Yes I think the essence part of Kibbe can be an issue for some people as they don't often relate to the essence, and in Kibbe they're the same as the ID. I'm like you, more classic in essence.
Thanks for your help :)
Which brands and shops are best for the modern soft dramatic!? It’s so interesting to find yourself p, the cut colour and fabric types. It makes life easier and more confident!
House of CB would be a good place. Reformation as well. The Reddit subgroup probably has some more suggestions :)
I thought I was FN for a while until I tried on dresses that were loose around my waist and they did nothing for me. I look amazing with Monica Bellucci style dresses/D&G style etc. It’s definitely tricky when you are tall and have broad shoulders. I think the key difference is needing to cinch the waistline for the SD and accentuate the curves. Also SDs have a horrible time finding comfy casual outfits.
I agree about the dresses. I also think I need waist emphasis/definition with dresses which is more SD than FN, but it may be that as a curvy FN that is just what suits me? Ah it's so confusing lol, I'm not sure where I fit.
Outfit number 3 is gorgeous on you! I have been on a style journey this last year and am starting to think l am a short SD. I am 5 ft 2 but Kibbe verified SD Mae West was only 5 ft!!!
Thank you so much! Yes Mae West was small so every chance you can be SD too! :)
I also thought FN was me and have gravitated to SD. Because FN are too square, too big and while people tell you to ignore the face, Kibbe doesn't actually; and It turns out my face is more sharp and romantic looking, at the same time, which is baically how SD is described. Plus, well, I kept wondering why they said FN never actually look gooid in Dramatic clothing when, in fact, I do. I have passed for Dramatic many times as long as I wasn't standing next to a real one.
So good to know your Kibbe ID! I also think the interpretation of FN can be offputting to some people.
I agree you're an SD! Have you looked into Kitchener essences btw? I think there might be some FN essence influence in your facial features that most likely threw you off. The outfits looked great on you but i noticed that you can somewhat carry a slightly undone hairdo if done correctly 😁
Thanks! I have but not for sometime so I can't recall what I decided on. I think generally I have some classic and romantic, with a bit of natural.
You have exactly the same body shape as me! I'm 5ft 8 and was thinking that I was a Soft Dramatic but you've confirmed it for me. Are those Zara trousers still available in outfit 3? They're lovely!
They’re from Abercrombie, they’re the Sloane trousers 😊
The dark brown dress is divine!
Thank you! 😊
4:47 yes definitely you are right. Btw I somewhere found that Bella Hadid is SD, even though she lost lots of weight she is, and she definitely doesn't have big boobs. To me you are pretty much SD, I don't know why people in the comments keep mentioning FN. It's so obvious you are SD.
Theres awesome breakdowns of Bella as an SD on Tumblr surprisingly! She absolutely is.
Ah it's so confusing haha, I'm so back and forth between SD and FN. I guess with curvy FN I have the best of both worlds.
I think you a SD (which I think I am too)… I could immediately picture all your outfits on me (and how they would look very similar)!
Thank you! Good to know 😊
So... looking at the clothes, I haven't really seen kibbe curve accommodating pieces. So far, you've just accomodated vertical. So you have dressed for a Dramatic. The pieces do not go around the curve or have a romantic essence. Think ruching, surplice neckline, corset style top with stiffness, wrap top etc. These pieces are made to work around the curve. Curve accommodating isn't just hugging or skimming the curves. I think including that would make it SD as it would include curve accommodation to the vertical you've already done so well. And they all look lovely on you in this video especially the black (if that's the color) dress. I encourage people to fully commit when testing lines as that's the only way to fully rule out something. Depending on the stretch in the fabric D, FN and SD can wear all these pieces you've shown. It rules out nothing. But only an SD can wear the curve focused pieces.
Essence wise, I think you have some drama in you, but perhaps personality wise you prefer the natural laid back style. When you wore the turtle neck and put your hair in a ponytail... jeez the drama was 1000%. Serving hot boss lady. You are so beautiful.
This is a really helpful comment, thank you. It's tricky cos I'm working with the clothes I have, I don't really wanna buy anything new unless it's something I've put a lot of thought into. I know clothes don't have IDs but perhaps the ones I chose in this video, like you say, aren't curve accomodating so aren't the best SD-friendly choice. But now it means I can do another similar video haaha!
Thank you much for your last comment, love that! So kind of you :)
@@vickilouise7764 I understand. Please you don't have to spend unnecessarily on our account. Perhaps you could try on in store and bring us with you. It's hard to spend on things you are just trying out, especially if returns are a hassle. I know this economy has definitely made me cautious. Love your content. 💕
I would agree you're soft dramatic. You might have natural essence though 😊👍
Yes I think I’ve got some natural essence, so the next thing is to figure out how that works with soft dramatic guidelines 😅
I'm 5'11" and decidedly a Soft Dramatic! I'm trying to move back towards that currently in my attire...but I've always felt that dressing as a SD when you are a regular person and not a movie star can be a bit hard, like you are trying to be something you're not. However, I'm ready to give it another "go".
I've lost a good bit of weight over the years...put some beta-blocker weight on because COVID made my heart go into A-Fib and I had to take them until I had a cardiac ablation...but finally took the weight off again this summer. I was at the doctor again yesterday for a "wellness check" and surprisingly, I hadn't gained any weight back...the surprise was the way I was eating Halloween candy the week before!
I'd dearly love to take off another 25-35 pounds before spring...which would get me close to my high school/college weight, and then I would feel better about investing in some appropriate SD clothes.
Yes, SD has that 'diva chic' essence which doesn't easily translate itself to everyday outfits. We'll figure out a way though!
Good luck with your weight loss! :)
Your beauty shines through everything obv, but the drama doesn't appear sincere or organic on you but rather put on and exaggerated. FN all the way. The face, the talk, the movements, the vibe...also many FNs do have curves, but they are still frame dominated and will look best in relaxed and structured materials and lines. Even without the knowledge of the kibbe system, I would describe my first impression of you "natural", "joyful" and "open"; quite a textbook fn imo. 🍂
Aw thank you so much! It’s so interesting to hear how I’m being perceived by others, especially your use of the word ‘open’ as I wouldn’t describe myself as open 😅
I just don’t agree - she’s not frame dominant enough to be FN. I had a look at her IG capsule wardrobe pics & her upper torso doesn’t have the FN width. FNs can have curves, but those curves won’t need accommodation. Aly Art has a great video comparing SDs to FNs that helps a lot to know how to distinguish the two.
Early in the video, As a soft dramatic, your face Screams the same. Your nose, cheeks and large eyes soften the oblong face shape and give it some romance.
And after seeing the fully body, yeeeeaaah. Exact same body type as me. And I’m 5’11” but looking you I swear you could be my height lol
Yeh people always think I'm taller than I am! And thank you for your description :)
I watched a video from somebody who said it looks really great if your shoes match your hair.
Oh interesting! I would need to get light camel shoes then.
i only really relate to soft gamine but with my height the only thing i can techinically be is soft dramatic but it just doesnt feel like it fits me so im so stumped
I guess the most important thing is to dress however you feel most comfortable. If that's in SD lines then that's what it is :)
Outfit number three is my fave and pretty much my style as an SD.
Thank you :) Good to know!
I'm in a different quandry. I am a normal hourglass shape with my hips, shoulders and waist all equal in measurement and a waist thats 30% smaller. I'm 5'9. That means I should be SD or curvy FN but I dont look as tall as I am. I don't think I'm frame dominant or curve dominant. I look best in classic lines but I'm too tall. So I wear classic lines 😂
What's most important is to wear what you feel comfortable in! That'll shine through in classic lines :) Getting too caught up in style systems can be restrictive.
I think you are a soft dramatic. All of those outfits look really great on you.
Thank you 😊
I gave up on figuring out what my type was too. But now I think I am a soft dramatic too. It was what I thought I was originally but…. Kept going down the rabbit hole
I think there comes a time where we just need to settle on which image ID we think suits us best, otherwise the rabbit hole never ends lol!
Your bust pass the arms shoulder lines; I am struggling with it, finding if I am SD or FN, since I have wide hips, someone said I could be a wider FN. Very helpful video, thanks you ❤
I'm glad it's helpful! It confuses things when curvy FN comes into play. Maybe try out some of the clothing suggestions and see which you prefer :)
Aly Art has a great video about “Curvy FNs” and compares them to SDs. The Natural family isn’t necessarily about shoulder width alone. It’s about that upper rib cage/torso area. Are your ribs/bones wider than the hip bones?
Because it’s about bone structure, not flesh. Like, are your hips’ width there because of the fleshiness or because your hip bones are that wide? You know what I mean?
You look amazing in soft dramatic outfits! I have been so lost with kibbe because I feel it's bit limitng for taller people. I'm 170 cm so technically I can only fall under one of those few body types. I don't have any curves so can't be SD and I'm not narrow and sharp like dramatics. But even though I have wider bone structure, flamboyant natural outfits look so sloppy on me. If I wear something oversized, chunky and layers, I get lost in the outfit and look . I actually think I look my absolute best in Dramatic Classic, but I don't know if a professional would put me under that body type.
It is limiting for taller people but I found that quite helpful cos I could only be one of three types. If you feel your best in DC lines then I'd say keep going for that :)
Love this for you. I still see a very natural/classic toned down makeup look on you in this video. For tr winged eyeliner is very pronounced and brows and lips are defined. Despite their features being delicate, the glam is effortless. You being an SD can definitely up the ante for sure and I'd like to see you play with that even if only for the video and not real life. Increase the coats of mascara or try falsies. Define the brows. Try a winged smokey rich sultry eye. More volume in hair curls. You are right about the bold or statement jewelry on SD. Have fun experimenting and exploring.
My go to makeup look is quite toned down so I'll definitely try a bolder makeup look then! I love how Adele does her makeup so will try to emulate some of that. I'll also either buy a tinted brow product or get mine tinted to add in a bit more definition. Trying to get volume in my hair is such an uphill battle though! That's why I wanna try some SD updoes that are easy cos then it's not as volume-dependant.
Thank you for a helpful comment :)
I just had an analysis done by Ellie-Jean, and she told me I was a Soft Dramatic. Now I'm trying to absorb as much information as possible. I was really surprised because I'm not very tall, and I thought the Dramatics category would be the last on the list for me. Clearly, I'm a complete novice. 😫
SDs are moderate in height so you don't need to be very tall, it's about vertical lines in your body and sharpness in your frame. How is it going now? Any more used to it?
I think after really reading the booklet I got and thinking about it more. It does makes sense it was just really because I always thought I was quite short and had stumpy legs but apparently not. 😂 I am now really just trying to think before buying anything and trying to figure out what my style is it’s so difficult as it doesn’t really come natural to me.
You look great in that long ivory cardigan!
I did a fairly deep dive into Kibbe, and couldn't decide between Gamine and Dramatic Classic, which are supposedly near opposites, yet some debate which one Audrey Hepburn should be (I think she was typed Gamine, but I've read she was 5'7"). Anyway, as with most systems, not everyone fits in the "buckets". I decided I'm some eclectic mix (which defines Gamine, but I don't like the staccato, color blocking, etc).
I *think* maybe horizontal and vertical measuring systems might be more helpful, ie hip/shoulders, and vertical proportions (Fashion Fit Formula).
Thank you! I love to throw on this cardigan this time of year when things got cold, but it still looks good :)
I've not come across Fashion Fit Formula but I'll take a look!
@@vickilouise7764 the Fashion Fit Formula is a proprietary measuring system, available for $100 from Nada Manley on TH-cam (for example, that's where I heard about it), but there are many similar if different systems published that can be used. You measure yourself and then see where you are shorter than average. This can be a big nothing burger or life-changing, depending 😆. I've done a few myself and gained significant insight into why certain things were always a problem, for example I'm average height, 5'5", 115 lbs, but average jeans never fit my body, I need "tall, curvy, 12" highrise" (in Madewell brand, but not Everlane! 😆). And petite tops(unless they are long sleeve, because I have long arms) fit best because my shortest segment is top of head to waist! Who woulda guessed, as looking at me I appear fairly average...
What about a SD with small bust? I'm 6 ft tall, quite sharp facial features, my shoulders are quite narrow. My hips are curved but I'm not overly feminine (round) shaped in general.
I have no diva chique vibes nor feel attracted to old Hollywood style. Confusing 😂 for a long time I thought I'm DC but I'm too tall. I'm dedinitely not a D.
Oh it's so confusing lol, I feel you! SDs can definitely have a small bust, that's what originally made me think I'm not SD as I'm not busty like Sophia Loren, for eg. The clothing suggestions are out dated so you can be SD and still dress modern, although it is more tricky!
Are you a little overweight or gained weight even? Look at Taylor Swift (She’s not overweight, but has gained) she looks more curvaceous now in the hips , narrow shoulders, smaller bust but is a verified D.
I mean, this style work for you for sure. You have the curves to pull outfits like this off. Tricky to know is, if those clothes really represent you. And if so, how you make this style your own. I'm actually quite the opposite. Very petite and no visible curves at all despite having a big bust. I lean towards, classic and natural styles. I'm quite sure I am some type of a gamin, but I am not a hundert percent sure.
This is what I need to figure out, how to make this style my own. Gamine sounds likely, especially if you're very petite.
@@vickilouise7764 Yes, true, I wouldn't be surprised if anyone classified me as any type of gamine. Yes, finding one's style is so hard, because most of the time, more than one style type might speak to you. I think, this part is way more complicated than finding one's colours. Like you, I don't like to be too casual. Took me a while to find out, that I don't really like jeans (well who doesn't like jeans) and what do do so get a bit of a sporty look (but still nice and put together when going for a walk or hike). Things like that
Please try Soft Natutal. Thats all I kept thinking the whole video. I know 'the height' and 'the shoulders', but it isn't the exact science. I am willing to bet you are SN. ❤
I will give it a go, even though i'm technically too tall for it. Thank you :)
2nd message, could you be another case like Dakota Johnson 5'7 where nobody agrees on her Kibbe identity and goes from being in the Natural , Classic and Dramatic family 🙂
Though myself I don't see her in the Natural element I think Dakota J. has too much sharpness to be in the N family . I think she is somewhere between DC and SD but she really leans towards needing some Classic structure in my opinion ,
Eva
Haha I would love to be like Dakota Johnson! She's actually one of my style inspirations :) Yes I see a lot of sharpness in her too. Thanks again for your great comments!
@@vickilouise7764 There’s also the case of Olivia Munn which is pretty curvaceous and feminine , 5'7 and Kibbe typed Dramatic Classic and you can see how well Classic structure define her .
I see you closer to these women , I don't see you sharing the same vibes of Sofia Vergara and I don't see that drama in you , I really see you in the Classic family with a bit of natural and romantic drama mix , basically Natural Classic talks better imho and even merges with your essences , but anyway what matters is the style picture we have in our mind 🙂
Also I see your yin/yang very balanced like in the Classic family while if you meet S.Vergara she's strangely very masculine yang with yin curves .
I'm a soft dramatic too ☺ and I definitely think you are as well!
Oh! And I really like the new background 🥰🍂
@@pizzakrydder2515 thank you! It’s an interim background as I couldn’t film in my usual spot 😅
Just gonna mention a cheat on the vertical; a long cardigan, coat or scarf and you can wear more contrast in the rest of the outfit, cause you have an intact vertikal line ☺️
Ah great tip, thank you! :)
I agree with SD. My understanding is Kibbe at basic level is a fit system, and where does fit need to accommodate the body? If one is tall and hourglass, and one does NOT have issues that the shoulders in garments tend to be too small for their body, but instead their fit issue is to accommodate the bust, that’s not FN, that’s SD.
That makes sense to me! My accommodation is usually for bust and not shoulders.
Hey Vicki! Just so you know waist emphasis is not recommended for SDs as it cuts vertical. It was on the SK page :) Waist definition is ok, but belts or ties that cut the vertical would not be recommended as far as my understanding.
Thanks! I get waist definition and emphasis mixed up sometimes!
If you can wear marks and Spencer’s trousers probably you are flamboyant natural. They don’t cater to soft dramatics in their advertising. Best wishes on your journey and more content please.
That’s a good point, I’d not noticed that before in their advertising! Of course, more content is coming 😊
We have the same body type. I am 172 cm tall. And I feel the most me in sofr dramatic clothes. I also don't have big boobs, but a very curvy lines (hourglass shape), almost indenticall to you. I look great with quite dramatic makeup, and I have curly hair. Big blouaut hair also looks great on me. The moast important style rule for me is defining waist line.
I agree, I definitely need waist emphasis in my outfits too. If only I could get volume in my hair and that would help!
I’m not totally sold on SD because even though you have curve you have width in your shoulders. And width overrides curves. Your shoulder seams seem to go beyond your hips. I agree with the FN comments. I also was confused between the two for myself so I understand why you’re asking.
I also see the FN structure in your facial features.
I got typed recently and I'm a curvy FN, which explains a lot about why I was so torn between FN and SD!
I would say you’re a Flamboyant Natural. Facial structure and overall body structure leans more FN.
Thanks for your input! I do now see FN and not SD
It does make sense though Kibbe changed on height and Diana Rigg 5'9 was typed a Dramatic Classic and Heidi Klum 5'91/2 a Natural .
I see what you mean but don't totally see you at ease with it unlike when you are closer to classic , but then again I never saw too much of the natural element for you so it's confusing .But maybe of course your style will evolve towards the hyper feminine and voluptuous once you embrace it .... Exciting to follow what you decide next !
I'm still confused about myself , I'm 5'9 , inverted triangle , but still questioning FN or DC , I think FN with some classic essence 🙂
Eva
Yes I definitely need to further refine this and see what truly works for me. I think my natural is only present in terms of fabric/materials, my main essence is classic for sure. But like you say I may go full feminine and voluptuous! We will see :)
At 5'9 and inverted triangle FN seems most likely for you. Essence is so important though!
Where did you get the knitted cardigan ? :)
The long one is from River Island but is a few years old.
u look so good in outfit 4
Thank you ☺️
Your makeup looks great.
Thank you 😊
I think I’m the opposite. I’m 5ft 9 and test as a soft dramatic but I feel so much more comfortable in flamboyant natural clothing even though I don’t have broad shoulders. I don’t like emphasizing my waist and curves or looking “sexy”. I like long flowing modest clothing. I have a problem with both though because I have a very long torso. The recommendations for a long torso conflict with the recommendations for soft dramatics and flamboyant naturals ie don’t try to shorten the look of your torso. I would feel really uncomfortable in the clingy clothes you tried on. You look like a soft dramatic from the waist down and a flamboyant natural above the waist so I get your confusion. I get confused too in that I am neither hourglass nor broad shouldered so I don’t entirely fit either category. I think the Kebbe system in general can be confusing and doesn’t have a category for everyone.
Soft dramatics and flamboyant naturals are quite similar and their clothing recommendations are often similar too, so it's really difficult to know which one you are! And I agree with you, Kibbe in general is confusing! I guess if you know what works for you and what doesn't then embrace that and try not to get too hung up on fitting into a Kibbe category (I should take this advice but I want to know!! haha!).
I am a soft dramatic and for me you look more like a flamboyant natural . I would like to see you in flamboyant natural outfits to compare
This is interesting! I’m getting such a mixture of responses lol.
No idea why you thought you had broad shoulders.
Cos I kinda do.
@@vickilouise7764 Theyre super balanced with your hips
I would say dramatic or flambyant natural.
I agree with FN, thanks for your suggestion!
I love outfit no 3
Thanks! 😊
I don't think you're SD. You're very FN. You're vibe, body shape, the way your body moves. You're too wide to be SD.
SD have high hips whereas you have low hips which is sign of width. ie, Figure 8(SD) vs hourglass shape(FN).
SD have thin/dainty and long bones whereas FN have heavy/thick bones, which is what you have.
SD also look softer than FN. SD look almost doll-like. You're not soft looking. You look more muscular/stronger.
Also basic clothes makes SDs look frumpy and dirty. The outfits you've worn aren't SD but more SC. SD is DRAMATIC GLAMOUR. The outfits you've worn are really conservative and simple.
I agree. She is a FN and not a SD.
I agree with you both, FN and not SD. I think because I'm kinda curvy it threw me but you can be curvy in any Kibbe ID apparently. Thanks 😊
Altho you are definitely curvy, I do still believe you are a FN. When I look at you I see frame over curves. In my opinion you are frame dominant and not curve dominant. And your beautiful broad jawline and facial features also perfectly fit into the FN description. However the outfits still look amazing on you!
Thank you ☺️ I do agree with FN for myself, a curvy FN to be more precise.
SD is frame dominant too, every D is frame dominant. They just have flash on top of that bones. Her bones aren't blunt at all and she is too soft for FN, but not SN either. She looks exactly like those SD celebrities from decades ago
Most SDs dont have the exaggerated curves that celebrities do. This is SD ❤
I hope my comment genuinely helps. I don’t think you are soft dramatic and here’s why. When looking at body types start with the basics. It’s a combination of bone structure and flesh. Bone structure will be sharp, blunt, or soft. Flesh will be dry, athletic, or soft. You have to fit the combination of these things to be a certain body type.The bone structure of a dramatic is undeniably sharp. Think sharpness in the bones of the cheeks, nose, collarbone, wrists, hands, etc. So a SD has sharp bones with soft flesh on top. This is the first test and that’s where it doesn’t quite fit for you. You have very blunt bones. Not only in your face but also in your body. It lacks sharpness. And yes you can slightly fit into hours glass and long vertical but these are very long vertical and very hourglass women. Yours is more on the moderate side. So with blunt bones, soft flesh, moderate to tall vertical, and slight hourglass you don’t fit SD. That being said you look beautiful and I find that we can borrow concepts from body types that are close even if they aren’t fully us.
Yes, that does help, thank you :) I do think I'm a FN but I like to borrow more advice from SD because of being a curvy FN
I think soft natural
Close, I have too much vertical for SN so I'm a FN :)
I think, you are SD. I'd go for bigger hair and a bit more dramatic eye and lip.
Thanks! Getting volume in my hair is so hard though lol
1m71? I thought you're WAY taller, like 1m80 and more😅
Haha thanks! This is one of the reasons why I think I’m SD as people think I’m taller than I am!