I envy You that You could experience it. I have been promising myself to go to Le Mans for a good 18-20 years, my grandpa lived in France (before 2WW), I thought I would take Him there, but it cant happen anymore. But maybe I can still make it.
It's certainly up there among the best. But have you heard the Corvette C6R GT1? It's the death metal of engine noise. th-cam.com/video/r6sh6Gon6t8/w-d-xo.html
its so crazy that that is what most cars sound like today like a a good car show or ls fest. even looking at the engine looks so 2022 youtube twin turbo v8. its like technology for this level racecar then is standard now for any proper build. and yes, still the best sound there is. no question.
Very fond memories of seeing C9 and C11 racing at Le Mans, Brands, Donington and Silverstone. Met Jochen Mass, Mauro Baldi, Kenny Acheson and Jean Louis Schlesser at DP in 1990 as a guest of AEG. Lovely guys.
@@siniyden I think we are talking at cross purposes. The team was formally known as Mercedes from the beginning of 1989, despite the chassis still being built by Sauber.
Because they are alone on the track . It's a V8 sound but struggled by the turbos on the exhaust line . Try the Aston Martin GroupC sound , it was really more groundshaking !
Thanks for the Entertainment 🎉 Sounds awesome ... I can imagine how the car would feel like to drive ... putting you back into the seat 😊 with the performance.
I never saw this car in person but there was a BMW powered Sauber one year at the Daytona 24-hour race it was a beautiful car Peter Sauber built beautiful cars
@@gaza19661310 No it wasn’t. The C9 had a low drag configuration designed especially for Le Mans. The C11 did not have it. Any claims for the C11 are entirely speculative.
@@thethirdman225 what you say there is not relative as the c11 didn’t race at Le Mans in 1990 plus teams have a different setup for each track especially for Le Mans where teams would always bring a low drag setup. And yes the C11 was capable of 400
That is correct. The original Sauber C9 had an M117 SOHC V8 in it but that changed to the M119 in 1988. The new engine didn't make much more power than the original one but made it in a more useful way. Mercedes used the 5 litre engine with two small turbos because the overall package provided the best combination of power and fuel economy for Group C. Small turbos also spin up faster and suffer from less lag. Martin Brundle, who was driving for Jaguar at the time, was of the opinion that the Mercedes was a more optimal design for Group C than either the V12 or the turbo V6 he was using at the time. By the time Sauber won the 1989 Le Mans, they were known as Mercedes and all the engine work was being performed at the Mercedes development factory in Germany. I'm unsure whether the DOHC heads were actually in production for road cars at the time or whether this was subject to racing development but I assume they were standard road car heads. A common misconception is that the Merc was so powerful the other teams never stood a chance. In fact, this is quite wrong. Most teams produced about the same total power. The Group C regulations basically dictated a maximum fuel flow and each engine (other than the Mazda rotary) probably got about the same level of fuel efficiency. What the Mercedes had was an excellet spread of torque that enabled the drivers to be both fast and economical, especially when Schlesser and Baldi were driving.
@@thethirdman225 the sauber really just catches the v12s in the many footage of it i have seen, also sounds like the engine is a cross plane crank rather than flat
It was part of BE's master plan to lure manufacturers into F!, he figured the expense of the 3.5 formula would eventually force Sports Car back to a production base series and they would bring their engines over to the sport he was making his money off of. He was only mildly successful.
@@shaadydog1 I don't think they were allowed more fuel. They were allowed to do things other race teams couldn't and I think the variable intake trumpets were one example and running at a much reduced weight was another. The 787B was basically an overgrown C2 car. In its original form, it consumed far too much fuel and far too much oil. Personally, while I welcome as much design variety as possible, I had to agree with the decision to ban it.
@@thethirdman225 they were allowed more fuel from before that specific race or season. What’s funny is they were caought in the previous years of development of carrying too much fuel. The Rotary was complete fail and had more DNF than podiums.. If you consider it being “banned”, then everything that wasn’t an F1 based V10 was banned as well. Agree, Diversity does make racing interesting, lately everything endurance racing seems to be “Porche Cup…”
I understand taking these vintage cars out and letting them stretch their legs but doing so in the wet seems like a big risk with something so valuable.
Dude, a SB2C-powered Group C car with an X-pipe would sound incredible tearing down the Mulsanne. That engine with that exhaust setup is an absolute banshee in terms of exhaust note, and makes a hilarious amount of power.
Yes M119-960 5ltr (quad cam) twin turbo. Same engine in the early R129 coupes from 1989-1991. For racing mods - custom intake manifold & twin plenum chambers. They were good for a lazy 1,000hp with a ton of torque, but boost was lowered to produce around 800-900hp so engines were not stressed at all. Revs were also limited to around 7,000rpm as torque came on so strong so no need to stress the engine chasing any higher revs as was not needed. Probably the best sounding engine of them all and that still stands today
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I was 7y old and living in Le Mans at that time... Listening to the engine full revs sends me back to this time! Goosebumps!
I envy You that You could experience it.
I have been promising myself to go to Le Mans for a good 18-20 years, my grandpa lived in France (before 2WW), I thought I would take Him there, but it cant happen anymore.
But maybe I can still make it.
You lucky duck...
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If I were a bot, then I would try harder to get real.
It makes me cry, it's so beautiful. I miss that time period.
Such a menacing yet soothing sound I love it. I never miss a C9/11 video one of the best race cars made.
Easily one of my top 3 race cars of all time. Thank you for sharing this
I have seen them at the Nurburgring in the early 90s , with Schumacher at the wheel , unforgetable experience !
That's exactly the memory I associate with this car, too. And how different they sounded compared to the other cars. I think it was in 1991.
I can't get over the vapor coming off the mirror at 4:37! Nice work!
Yeah, that is really interesting to me too!
huge amount of torque/thrust of turbos 2:27 - 3:40. Impressive
Its a big torquey engine in it!!! Merceds have the tendency in all its story to use high torque engines
Der AEG Sauber C8 und C9-für mich die schönsten Rennwagen ever.
I love watching these... the way the boost kicks the car around is so astounding.
Nothing like the sound of a big V8. A beautiful creation. Must be an exhilarating experience to drive.
I think it's one of the meanest, most badass sounding car ever ^^
Fits with the look as well.
Iconic car to me!
It's certainly up there among the best. But have you heard the Corvette C6R GT1? It's the death metal of engine noise. th-cam.com/video/r6sh6Gon6t8/w-d-xo.html
@@Vorgaloth yeah i love it too! Love the sound when i'm playing assetto corsa too ^^
@@Vorgaloth yep that sounds like death. But have you heard of the VK56 swapped S14 which sounds similar to the Sauber C9?
Is this heaven ? I already miss cars like that.
This thing will still look like a futuristic alien spacecraft 200 years from now... amazing
unmistakable Mercedes sound.
its so crazy that that is what most cars sound like today like a a good car show or ls fest. even looking at the engine looks so 2022 youtube twin turbo v8. its like technology for this level racecar then is standard now for any proper build. and yes, still the best sound there is. no question.
Very fond memories of seeing C9 and C11 racing at Le Mans, Brands, Donington and Silverstone. Met Jochen Mass, Mauro Baldi, Kenny Acheson and Jean Louis Schlesser at DP in 1990 as a guest of AEG. Lovely guys.
Totally agree saw them at the same events as you but as a silk cut jag fan lol
Oh I was supporting the Jaguars mate ! I was buying electrical from AEG so we were guests of Sauber Marc at Brands and DP. @@Freebird67
What sound!! Amazing and tough! Beuatiful design also! My favorite Mercedes race car.
but this is sauber
@@siniyden By the time of the C11 it was Mercedes. Mercedes announced their factory backing for Peter Sauber during the C9 era.
@@thethirdman225 you wanted to say it was called mercedes. Though there was only engine in that car from mercedes.
C291 was clearly mercedes
@@siniyden I think we are talking at cross purposes. The team was formally known as Mercedes from the beginning of 1989, despite the chassis still being built by Sauber.
Anything Sauber C9/C11 I hit that Like button. Thanks NM2255!
What a great machine.........epic.
The sound of this two babys C9 and C11 are brutal
Because they are alone on the track . It's a V8 sound but struggled by the turbos on the exhaust line . Try the Aston Martin GroupC sound , it was really more groundshaking !
@@sportscarsmovies Yes but this two cars sounds so good
Il mezzo più iconico e bello di questa categoria. Complimenti per il video.
Many miles in that car in gran turismo 4
The M. Schumacher - Logo.... *tears*
So undeniably raw
Thanks for the Entertainment 🎉
Sounds awesome ... I can imagine how the car would feel like to drive ... putting you back into the seat 😊 with the performance.
And to see M Schumacher as a driver - super cool
Sounds violent.
Das geilste Mercedes Race-Car ever. ❤
Amazing racing car , awesome sound. And oh surprise, rain in Spa ;)
Car looks timeless
This car is the king of sound and tourque! Sure the 787 left it behind in lemans but still! The sauber is pretty special
LEGENDARY AS ALWAYS
That car sounded, well..... Teutonic!!!!!
PURE RAW Power of the C9/C11..🤗🤗
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Looks like something out a monster movie.
I never saw this car in person but there was a BMW powered Sauber one year at the Daytona 24-hour race it was a beautiful car Peter Sauber built beautiful cars
It was the Sauber C7 entered by Fomfor Racing ( 1984 - 1985 and perhaps more). This car was at Le Mans 1983 and finished in the top ten .
That was probably the C7. You can see the design inflences in the C9.
Swiss Made! 🇨🇭👍
Geil.... Meine Jugend 🥳🥳gänsehaut pur
Remember the deep sound of the V8 engine - good times when discovery channel showed the group c championship on the television
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Always great videos, thankyou.
It’s how a real race car should sound. Amazing
M119 engine as found in the 500E and 400E
Best carsound ever👍👍💪💪
one of my favorite cars 🤩
a Legend Car from us Mikel
This thing doesn’t just start up it wakes up. Just imagine someone 50 years from now in a world full of only EVs hears this thing 😮
Forza motorsport 4 memory’s, the good old days!
Oh yes !
Eargasmic!!! Thanks for this video.
Track day? This is just how we dry off the track.
4:35 aero pressure condensation
C9/11Never forget
Just to think that this beast of a machine top speed was 400 km/h back in the day!
No, that was the C9.
@@thethirdman225the c11 was capable of 400 to. It didn’t race at Le Mans in 1990 though.
@@gaza19661310 No it wasn’t. The C9 had a low drag configuration designed especially for Le Mans. The C11 did not have it. Any claims for the C11 are entirely speculative.
@@thethirdman225 what you say there is not relative as the c11 didn’t race at Le Mans in 1990 plus teams have a different setup for each track especially for Le Mans where teams would always bring a low drag setup. And yes the C11 was capable of 400
@@thethirdman225 if you want to be precise it was capable of 407 kmh down to gearing and aero
I saw it come out original at spa under the banner of sauber racing awesome car even if I’m a jag fan
i read somewhere that these twin turbo engines were based of the normal road car m119 engines, and that after the race the engine made more power
That is correct. The original Sauber C9 had an M117 SOHC V8 in it but that changed to the M119 in 1988. The new engine didn't make much more power than the original one but made it in a more useful way. Mercedes used the 5 litre engine with two small turbos because the overall package provided the best combination of power and fuel economy for Group C. Small turbos also spin up faster and suffer from less lag. Martin Brundle, who was driving for Jaguar at the time, was of the opinion that the Mercedes was a more optimal design for Group C than either the V12 or the turbo V6 he was using at the time.
By the time Sauber won the 1989 Le Mans, they were known as Mercedes and all the engine work was being performed at the Mercedes development factory in Germany. I'm unsure whether the DOHC heads were actually in production for road cars at the time or whether this was subject to racing development but I assume they were standard road car heads.
A common misconception is that the Merc was so powerful the other teams never stood a chance. In fact, this is quite wrong. Most teams produced about the same total power. The Group C regulations basically dictated a maximum fuel flow and each engine (other than the Mazda rotary) probably got about the same level of fuel efficiency. What the Mercedes had was an excellet spread of torque that enabled the drivers to be both fast and economical, especially when Schlesser and Baldi were driving.
@@thethirdman225 the sauber really just catches the v12s in the many footage of it i have seen, also sounds like the engine is a cross plane crank rather than flat
@@azura3277 That’s correct. It is a crossplane.
sounds like my 70's 2 stroke dirt bike
Sounds like a real race car should
Some C9 in there aswell
One of the last "pure" group C cars. by the time the 90s rolled along they had to conform to F1 engine regs.
This is the only reason the Rotary ever won Le Mans, along with the weight breaks and being allowed more fuel.
It was part of BE's master plan to lure manufacturers into F!, he figured the expense of the 3.5 formula would eventually force Sports Car back to a production base series and they would bring their engines over to the sport he was making his money off of. He was only mildly successful.
@@shaadydog1 I don't think they were allowed more fuel. They were allowed to do things other race teams couldn't and I think the variable intake trumpets were one example and running at a much reduced weight was another. The 787B was basically an overgrown C2 car. In its original form, it consumed far too much fuel and far too much oil. Personally, while I welcome as much design variety as possible, I had to agree with the decision to ban it.
@@thethirdman225 they were allowed more fuel from before that specific race or season. What’s funny is they were caought in the previous years of development of carrying too much fuel. The Rotary was complete fail and had more DNF than podiums.. If you consider it being “banned”, then everything that wasn’t an F1 based V10 was banned as well. Agree, Diversity does make racing interesting, lately everything endurance racing seems to be “Porche Cup…”
A Beast 👍👍👍
M.Schumacher in this Car 🤤🙌🤤👉🏻this was Epic 🤌🏼
American V8's: "We sound badass."
Mercedes V8: "Hold my schnapps."
Chariot of the Gods!
Saw this car on Saturday at the Group C event at Donington, might have been it's predecessor though, it didn't drive sadly 🙁
still my most favorite car in all sim racing cames that i have played and keep on playing!!!!! Keep up that good work of yours @NM2255 Car HD Videos
Beast, almost illegal.
sounds like a 1980's Trans Am car but with boost!
On the long straights wound out it sounds a bit like the BRM V16
To be honest, this clip scared me more than the texas chainsaw horror movie 😬
Brilliant question is that the model that was filmed at la mans flying off the track as it accelerated down the straight !? .
Good God 👍
Very good.
sounds like my lawn mower.
Mammamia che spettacolo quel V8 biturbo 🤤 💦
Nice car
I wonder what this racecar would do in the 1/4 mile with proper gearing?
9-11 seconds
Eight ninety 🤷♂️
It go brrrt
Take the fifth.
Mercedes sauber symfony!!!
As someone building a high performance m119 6 litres, definitely interesting in more information on these engines?
I wonder where are they getting parts for those cars to drive for so long?
Most manufacturers have heritage programs to keep their old race cars on the road
Simple: they make them as needed if spares are unavailable. That is how it happened when these cars were new… Not cheap, but it works!
The engine components are all production-based.
Gran Turismo Fans when this car exists 😡
Watt ?
Sauber c 11 von Mercedes nix Gran tourismo .
Echtes le man's renn Auto , wo Schumacher drauf gelernt hat .
Ha ha ha , du Konsolen Kiddy
I understand taking these vintage cars out and letting them stretch their legs but doing so in the wet seems like a big risk with something so valuable.
" Mercedes Sauber C9/11 Group C ", " Mazda 767B " and the " 1936 Auto Union Type C V16 " have the best Engine Sound ever!
Wow 👏
A Car for Stefan Beloff
Sounds like a cleetus McFarland V8 twin turbo special
Mercedes Sauber c9/11 can reach up too 360 km.. Its the fastest out of group c1 lemans cars. Incredible sound when up and down shifting .
Any idea who is driving?
Ill own one when i win the lottery
Nr 63 sauber c 9 in Goodwood
5:08
懐かしいね
TORPEDO.
The airplane a10 warthog was supposedly a plane designed around the gun. Was this sauber, designed around its mercedes engine? 😂😂😂
SWISS SYMFONY!!!!!!
Somehow, as for me, the sound of 'Murican Muscle does not fit very well to Group C.
It does fit well, with turbo's at least
Dude, a SB2C-powered Group C car with an X-pipe would sound incredible tearing down the Mulsanne. That engine with that exhaust setup is an absolute banshee in terms of exhaust note, and makes a hilarious amount of power.
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BHP ???
About 730.
Schnellste Mercedes 403 kmh
This is M119 engine?????
Yes M119-960 5ltr (quad cam) twin turbo. Same engine in the early R129 coupes from 1989-1991. For racing mods - custom intake manifold & twin plenum chambers. They were good for a lazy 1,000hp with a ton of torque, but boost was lowered to produce around 800-900hp so engines were not stressed at all. Revs were also limited to around 7,000rpm as torque came on so strong so no need to stress the engine chasing any higher revs as was not needed. Probably the best sounding engine of them all and that still stands today
Ok
at full song this thing sounds like a very very pissed off Chevy . Or an Iilmore like the trucks and arca cars run
"9/11" 💀💀