So I would take away for myself: A TGT is a viable solution for most people so the DD is not the only feature that counts… Perhaps I might consider an upgrade from T300 to used TGT (oh dear). New price purchase is a bit out of reach to play like two days a week. DD Pro is hardly visible on 2nd hand Market as it is still rather new. For the T-GT is easier to find the first one over the T-GT 2. That way I could keep the LCM pedals… Perhaps in a couple of months. The feeling of the wheel is important when playing longer periods. But if one prefers to wear gloves they might be good with the surface on the GT DD Pro wheel. Thanks as always for supplying all this info (from a non-professional view). :) One question about the directional sticks on the DD Pro: Do Vertical and Horizontal axis work the same thing?
I think you are right especially those on the Thrustmaster eco system as the wheels, TLCM pedals etc can be reused and you can find a TGT 2 base unit at a better price or second hand as mentioned. Whilst the DD will no doubt be immense, the eco systems can add up very fast and unless you are a hardcore Sim Racer it may not be worth it as even my current T300 with the T-LCM pedals provide enough FFB and the pedals are great. My route will probably be buying the TGT 2 base unit at some point in the future especially if prices drop a bit or second hand or even refurbished as I have seen some refurbished units at a very low price..
Dear Neosphinx, as a consequence of this I have just bought myself a used T-GT (1) at a price of 350€. I will need to wait until end of day to try it out. Also I need to watch my back for growing additional funding. ;) Can you give me heads up that I have not massively overspent?
Dear mister MarcianZero, that is exactly the right price in my book and I believe it is the same I paid for it. You certainly did not overpay and Well, I do have some fertilizer extra free of charge... it can get a bit smelly though 😏 I hope you'll have tons of fun with it my friend! 🥳🥳🥳
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thanks for the heads-up. :) The rim really feels nice. That much I can say. The T300 started to give me like blisters on the thumbs. The seller moved to Fanatec. He is having the rim covered in leather because he likes the feeling of the GT DD Pro not so much. Quite some additional expense.
In the last year I've gone from a T150 to a T300 to a 8nm DD Pro. I'd say the jump in FFB feel and quality between each has been equally exponential. I know I shouldn't be faster with the DD Pro than the T300, but I am. I have no experience with the T-GT, of course, but if there's anyone considering an "upgrade" from a T300, you will definitely enjoy the DD Pro.
Thank you for the feedback. And for the "being faster". I can relate. The DD just feels more crisp, more precise and more easy to control. The stronger FFB makes you much more aware of the behaviour of your car.
Hi - thanks for the review - being brutally honest about the DD Pro for Gran turismo 7, I personally found it to be shocking - no road feel - no nothing - just no feedback at all even with boost kit - went straight back to my TGT - so much more immersion and feel and much quicker lap times and consistency
I personally think something is wrong with the ffb in GT7 for the DD Pro. When you use it in other games, it is much more outspoken. I did however feel a noticeable difference between 5 and 8nm. Thanks for the feedback friend!
Hi! Completely agree with you. Just received my DD Pro, and I feel a bit disappointed. Dont think it is a big jump. It feels more refined and precise, but the T-GT is very close and feels more natural. Also the trancducer makes a big difference. As you said, no road feeling. I probably will return it and keep the T-GT. P.S.: the grip and general quality is just a joke..
Even at this moment, while I almost only play pc sim drivers so without TDFB, I still am not sure which I prefer. That just shows how underestimated the TGT is as a base
I have watched many descriptions on wheels and noone said the true as it is. Mostly confused me than helping me. Man your description is amazing! Saying the true as it is and make me understand perfectly what every wheel does! You are the best!
no telling if your product you purchased will actually turn up with fanatec either 😂💩 some people are still missing their DD wheels when they ordered them on black friday last year 😂🙃
I dont understand why T-gt making the transducer only compatible with GT. For Thrustmaster to be able to remain competitive,it makes total sense to enable transducer effect in pc mode.. or at least make the protocol somehow open source so it can be work with sim hub etc. This is a good selling point with almost no added cost to thrustmaster
That is also what I hope. It really set that wheelbase apart from others. And that is what they need right now with the growing competition. Something to set them apart from the competition.
The 8Nm power supply I believe is a must have for the DD Pro. Loving it and also the Load Cell Brake and Pedal Tuning Kit. Been having so much fun. Upgraded from the Logitech G29
That is indeed a big upgrade friend. Glad you are enjoying it and the 5Nm is not bad, it is the same engine, but yes, that bit of extra power is recommended.
perhaps in other sim racing titles this woulf be key.. in my case with GT7 I could not appreciate any particular benefit when moved to 8Nm .. I feel that dynamic range offered by 5Nm was more the enough when it comes to FF
The best package out of these two is the one that you can actually get - The Thrustmaster T-GT I can order and have delivered the next day. Fanatec on the other hand seems to be permanently sold out of just about everything, with no future availability dates. Hence I'm sticking with my current TS-PC and seeing what Thrustmaster come up with on their forthcoming DD wheel base.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Tempting, but I'm too invested in Thrustmaster with various rims and pedals to really want to switch, hence I'm waiting for the TM DD base. That said I'm pretty sure a few of your subscribers would probably have an interest in it.
@@slaphead90 you are absolutely right. Even with the GT DD, I still will use the TGT as my main base because of the rim and pedals I have. Like you, I hope for a good deal coming from TM regarding their DD.
I got my fanatec set up last week. Now I’m coming from a controller so what may seem am exaggeration is truly how I feel. This thing is above and beyond anything I could ever have imagined. I built a trak racer tr80 lite to go with it. I was nervous the whole week before the rig was built that the 5 nm without a load cell was gonna disappoint. I came from using a controller for over 20 years. I can actually stop the car from slipping out now. The first day was kinda rough. I was everywhere but on the road. The next day I took my time and within an hour I was better with the rig than on the controller. I want a handbrake and different wheel so I can race on wrc 10 and dirt 2.0. The wheel is cheap and from what I keep reading is a load cell will actually improve braking. We shall see.
It does change the entire experience with a wheel, doesn't it 😁 indeed, load cell and a different rim are things to consider, but for now, enjoy the ride my friend 👍👍👍
I needed an upgrade as by G29 was breaking down with louder cogging noises and paddles that sometimes did not respond. I wanted to buy the DD Pro but the cost in Australia is very high, about $1500 and the wait time is in the months for delivery. I found a seller that offered the T-GT II "pack" for $750 delivered, which is a great price over here, so I went with that and then had to buy pedals. I found a seller that has T-LCM pedals for $400 delivered so I bought those too. In conclusion, I paid $1150 AU for my upgrade and had them within 3 days. Enormous upgrade over a G29 but I get sore feet from the pedals as they are much stiffer, especially the killer break pedal. I'm very happy with my purchase and as a casual, mediocre skilled driver. I doubt I would tell the difference between this and the DD Pro except for the lack of feedback the T-GT II provides which is fun and gimmicky. I also like that I can replace the wheel if I choose which is something the G29 did not offer. I miss the gear shifter I got with the G29 and will have to fork out over $300 for the Thrustmaster shifter but that will have to wait while I recover from this spending spree!
You would certainly be able to tell the difference between the two... And indeed, that is certainly a good upgrade. It makes playing the game even more immersive. Dont worry about your feet, they will get used to it... or you could try lowering the angle a bit. The pedals are the best investment I made. You could also check your second hand sites. That would be cheaper?
@@SimulatedDrivingResource I did check the second hand market for the shifter and the cheapest I found was $285. The cheapest new shifter I found was $314 delivered. Over here, being so far away from the rest of the world, things are pricey and not as available. The used market is small and almost on par with the new market. Such is life!
I went from the g29 to the tg2. I was blown away by how good it is. I was going between the dd pro and tg2, I went as mentioned for the tg2 because of this specific feature for Gt7. This feature will be copied by Fanatec I predict, as the immersion is taken to a level that isn’t matched on Gt7. Guys how much better are these thrustmaster load cell pedals? Your help would be appreciated.
Hello from Melbourne :-) I, too, had a G29, and had the same issue after a couple of years of the wheel missing shifts when I clicked the paddles. Whatever! I bought the DD Pro, but reckon you may have the better buy. I say this because even after the G29 wheel, the buttons, particularly, on the new wheel feel very dodgy. I loved the old G29, buttons, as budget as that may seem to many. Also, out of the box, the loadcell, when fitted to the initial two-pedals that came standard, caused a conflict which meant the throttle would not work. After MANY days (weeks?) Fanatec sent me replacements, and now they work fine, but the Hell I went through: they wanted pictures of my cabling setup, even a video. Initially they tried to convince me I had connected it incorrectly. Hopeless .... After I had successfully set it up, I went and looked up the Fanatec customer forums. Apparently, the issue with the loadcell kit causing a conflict and rendering the accelerator pedal inoperative is widespread (read the boards), but I have seen no press release from them. Upshot is I would warn people away from the DD Pro until Fanatec fix and acknowledge this issue, and provide much better support than is currently the case.
Love the Lego Delorian btw, im a grown man and collect them still. :D. I bought the TGT 2 used on ebay for 350 he only used it a few times and Im liking it alot in ACC. Cant wait to see the T-DFB in GT7 since driving in ACC wihotut it already felt amazing. I read in a few forums that many GT7 Pros prefer it to DD and some of the Leaderboards fastest times are done on this Wheelset. Nice review doesnt make me regret my purchase like some other youtubers that comment on this underrated Wheel and Base. I also bought the loadcells to switch em out with the one from the Set. See ya on the Track ;)
Always nice to meet a fellow AFOL 😎 yeah.. I'm not a pro but its just so much nicer immersion-wise than the competition in GT franchise and because its dual belt and relatively high torque its also very good in the rest of the games. Price new and pedals are its weakness, but you Got a good deal 👍👍
Well ... in the end, however, it is never clear which of the two according to those who test it is the best, but it seems to me that looking at the lap times of the video the TGT checked the best time, almost a second better than the DD Pro
Correct. Which is best is highly dependable on the person testing it. Most people (I assume) would pick the GT DD Pro as best, just because it drives so very smooth. But to be honest, there is no "best". Both the wheels have their merits and flaws. The laps on the end are examples of the behaviour of the bases, rims and pedals. It can not be counted as a proper "who is fastest" comparison. The material is very different to what I normally use and the result is that those times really are not representant of the technology. I could have gone faster with the DD Pro with a little more exercise but I had set a fixed number of laps. My personal opinion about the bases? I like the TGT better as it makes my feet tingle when I drive... it is more "fun"... but something like that I can't put in a review 😌 thank you for the feedback, friend.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource I wanted to ask you one more thing, some owners of DD Pro fanatec said they do not hear the feedback of the loss of grip of the tires, did you also have this feeling?
What they need to understand is that it is a completely different technology (assuming they come from belt or gear-driven wheelbases). I personally did not experience it as an issue but I am also not a pro. What also is a possible explanation is that they need to play around with their settings. Some people think that putting everthing on "max" gives the best driving experience, but that is mostly not the case. Either way, it is all very subjective, like I try to point out in my reviews.
And what about Assetto corsa competizione ps5? Which one do you recommend? Because if its thrustmaster, i can take it for a day from ours shops. Fanatec, i have to wait longer. 🙂
Thanks a lot for this sincere review. It's difficult to find someone without going to extremes and able to explain pros and cons of both wheels. I'm very happy with my DD Pro, coming from a G29. It's really a big improvement! For me the worst of it is the wheel itself. The buttons feel cheap, I specially hate the big D-Pad... What's that experiment?? Is totally unpleasand to move for menus with it... :( I think that in terms of wheel only, the TGT is far superior. I suppose that the base is the most important part (and of course I think it's better than the Thrustmaster), but is a pity that it came with this wheel. I suppose that they need to lower the price somehow...
Thank you for the feedback friend and yes, the difference base-wise with the g29 is huge. Its indeed really sad that they included the cheap rim and especially when you come from a good quality one like the G29 a let-down. Have fun and succes with the races!!
Thank you for the video and your insight - I really appreciated it since I just got the grand turismo and hope to play it on my new to come PS5 VR2- but why not just mention the fanatec or the thrustmaster? I had to stop and "rewind" the video a few times because I got lost with all those GTPDDPTDGPT.... :D
I had to put ice on my tongue after that video. I wish I had thought about keeping is simple like that before I made the video. But a good sugestion for next comparison. Thank you for the feedback and have fun with the VR. Hope you are spared from motion sickness. It is a reason why I wont be reviewing that so I will be looking forward towards reading user experiences of it 😏
Literally the only review I have seen that hasn’t come to the conclusion that the fanatec product isn’t miles better than the thrustmaster offering. Personally I love the fanatec wheel and I get where you are coming from with the rubber wheel but I doesn’t feel bad just that there is a few levels above it, which of course with the fanatec ecosystem you can pay to upgrade to. The more interesting comparison will be between the gt dd pro and the thrustmaster dd offering which is rumoured to be coming
Nope because in the end, it boils down to personal preference which one is "better". A wheelbase package being better then another does not simply mean that it has more advanced technology. You think the wheel is OK, I think is a sticky piece of plastic and dislike it in such a way that it overshadows the rest of my experience with it (even though the base is sublime) so, personal preference... no-one wins 😎 And yes, it is something to look forward too, I am already saving up to buy that one to review but something tells me still enough time to save up (seeing I already made 5 videos on that topic). I hope they keep the T-DFB in some form in their new wheel.
@neosphinx. What do you recommend buying new. A TGT2 or GT dd pro? I really only play GT7. Both are similarly priced around $800. I am coming from a Thrustmaster T248 for reference. Thanks!
Hard choice friend. Still the TGT apeals more to me because of the t-dfb for GT7. However, should you change games or platform, it will not work and you are better off with the DD Pro 8. That being said, you have the T3PM from the T248 which are better than what you get with the DD Pro..... It is a close call but if I was to buy something new, myself, with the knowledge that I have now, I would probably go for the GT DD Pro. It keeps its value better, has a better (albeit more expensive) eco-system and is more future-proof (should you start playing other games). If on the other hand you can score a decent tgt(2) on the second hand market, that would make things different
Not in the way the TGT does. In the ffb of gt7, i find in general that the DD Pro lacks the simulation of the asphalt of the track. In other games its better though. I will test out with the later updates if it is any better one of these days. Maybe they did something about it but I remember the ride as very "clinical" in gt7
@@andreagolinelli9066 correct. You will loose the T-DFB and a well-finished leather wheel and you will gain a bit more smooth and a bit more powerful (ffb in GT7 is not the "best") and its just not worth the investment NEW.
Unfortunately after 2 months my TGT 2 died, power cable to base came loose, wire is to heavy for base connection causing disconnects, shame I really enjoyed it. Ordered DD pro, hopefully quality control is better. Happy Easter 👍
Aie... ok now that would indeed be a case to upgrade from T-GT to DD Pro . I am sorry to hear and wish you more luck with Fanatec. And a happy Eastern to you and yours too 👍👍👍
on DD Pro do a search for shaft wobbling ..I hope mine will not suffer as for now I am really enjoying performance and smoothness over my previous G29...
Im thinking to do the opposite haha, ma Dd pro died after 4 weeks. And with fanatecs customer service i think i wil never get a solution. So im thinking to switching for a TGT2. 😅
Coming from someone who owns g29, is the gt dd pro the best option? Also you mention that the fanatec is very smooth, but what do you mean by that because i love the feeling of bumps and kerbs, i will also being playing wrc 10 and i know from playing it a lot, feeling bumps are crucial. Thanks for any help!
With the G29 you have this feeling that there are some dead points where the gears come into eachother. Same with belt-driven, you feel tiny imperfections. I would recommend seeing my video that talks about the difference of gear, belt-driven and direct drive technology as it will better explain what I mean. You will ofcourse still have the force feedback but it will feel more "pure". I can not say if the GT DD Pro is the best option, as that is preference and dependant on, the range of games you play, the amount of time you spend playing, budget, availibility and so on but it is the one with the most advanced technology coming closest to the real thing. But, if you decide to go for DD pro, I would advise taking the 8Nm one.
Hello. Nice video. Only one description. The fanatec is faster than thrust master? This is the point. Have quicker respons in corners? And quicker laps? Thanks .
A wheelbase is only as fast as the skills of the person driving it. Because the GT DD is more precise, in theory, it should give you better times.... in theory.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource ok thanks a lot. I Will she if never coming in my arms !! Is in Athens Greece in ups 10 days . The worst country ever !!!!! They come from Germany in Italy and after Greece in 2 days and now here in ups they sleeping all!!!! 10 days to come in paxos island 🤣 rotten country rotten politics rotten all !!!
Hello there. I received the wheel . I cant play 🤣 is so difficult!!!! I don't know ,why ? I try all night yesterday in monza !! Is my favourite track .in the first double corners after the first staigt i go out almost always!!! I lost the car! I play with r8 gr3 almost 800 pp race 10 laps for money price 160.000 . i think i keep my controler 😥😥
@@steliosapergis dont worry my friend, you need time to adapt, your leg muscles need to learn when to hit the brake and how far they need to go. Go slow first... It takes some time but you will become faster and faster. Remember, the Akropolis was also not built in one day. Succes!
Happy easter From greece. nice video and comparison again. 👍 Did you try them to pc also? I wonder if the difference is the same? I want to change my t300 but with which? Play on pc. Thanks
And a happy Easter to you my friend. Unfortunately not. Only test on ps4. The T-DFB only works on GT. From a T300, both will be an upgrade, but I would (unless you can buy the TGT at a good price) recommend the CSL DD for PC.
Hello, how satisfied are you with the Thrusmaster TG2? I am choosing between the TG2 and the Fanatec dd2 Pro 8nm GranTurismo. Do you happen to have experience with the DD2 as well? I will primarily be playing GT7 on PS5. There is really such an enormous difference between the Fanatec dd2 pro (direct drive) and the Thrusmaster TG2. Thanks a lot in advance for the answer.
Hello Daniel. In any other game except gran turismo, the DD Pro 8nm is a better base simply because of the smoothness of the ride and the power. In gt7 i dont think the ffb for DD pro is optimized enough and there the Tgt has the extra feature being the T-DFB which I absolutely adore because it adds immersion. Both bases are good bases. No matter which one you will pick, you will be happy with. Perhaps, future-wise, the DD pro 8Nm will just be a tad better if you decide to play other games. I do want to point out that you talk about dd2, but there is no dd2 of 8nm, only the CSL DD and GT DD Pro. I like the TGT and have been driving more than a year with it and for me personally, it is enough.. in GT AND other games.
I had the T-GT base with the SF1000 wheel, but I decide to change to the DD Pro with V3 pedals and V2.5 formula wheel. The GT wheel i did sell and never touched it, really did not like it, looked like a toy wheel
@@SimulatedDrivingResource 8nm right away :-) if it gonna cost some money, lets max it out right away 😉 i only miss the SF1000, that was a really great wheel, but the Fanatec is overall a step up...next step?? Dont know for now, as i am on Ps5, so Moza is not relevant at this moment for me. And..i think the biggest surprise...i am using all on a Playseat Challenge 😁
Haha.. but didn't you put on reinforcements on it if I remember correctly? You just bought a DD Pro and already thinking about the next upgrade... can I come check your back because I would love to farm some cash from it :D
My main wheel is a DD1 podium, my son had a GT DD for 3 months and i have spent alot of time on it to try and get it to "feel" close to what I get on a DD1. I never achieved getting FFB any where close to a DD1. The GT DD even with the boost pack is only marginally better than a T300 in terms of FFB, it is very vague in the 1st 20deg off centre there is very little detail in terms of road sensation and feel of grip and weight transfer on corner entry. You can not run it at max FFB as it causes alot of clipping with the boost pack but you have to run it at close to max to get any real detail out of it. The fanatec pedals are miles better than any Thrustmaster pedals. My son ended up selling his GT DD and is now saving up the balance for a DD1 podium.
A DD1 base is also twice the price of a DD Pro base. I agree it feels bland in the first 20° but for corners, for me it is fine. That can probably be explained that I have not had a podium as ref of course. What do you mean with marginally better then T300? Max torque? The ffb imo feels very clean, very precise, much more then with a T300. Yeah, pedals are not great of TM although T3PM and TLCM are very pleasant and reasonable precise to use.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource marginally better in terms of what you get for your money, the ffb is smoother, the wheel reaction time is better, the build quality is much higher on the fanatec, I can't really say anything negative about the reliability of the DD Pro because it hasn't been out long enough. I believe after using Logitech, Thrustmaster and fanatec wheels over the past 15+ years that the CSL/GT DD is still a very over priced entry level product. Although the T300 suffers from thermal degradation at that price point you get more value for your money and think that anyone looking to upgrade should probably go for a higher end DD like Simcube, fanatec DD1/2 or any other high end DD. Imo the value isn't there on the CSL/GT DD unless you are not financially challenged and get one as your 1st wheel or upgrade from Logitech, it's not enough of an upgrade from a belt drive. 8Nm is peek torque and probably has a holding torque of less than 5Nm that would put it on par with the older fanatec CSW and the Thrustmaster products
I understand what you are saying. For me both T-GT and DD Pro are overpriced in comparison to a T300 however, both wheels give more functions (like T-DFB), more torque and more precission. Disregarding the price, both are an upgrade to a T300. As for DD pro not being worth the upgrade from a belt, Well.... maybe if I was having the conversation with the you of 12 years ago, your answer might have been different (less experienced, less budget). The thing I carry from your comment is: if you really take virtual motorsports seriously, are not hindered by the 1k-monetary-barrier, just skip the middle (for me 500€ to 1k is middle class) and go to advanced directly as then you really will experience how direct drive is supposed to be. Unfortunately, I will never be able to recommend that as I am limited by budget 😎 Thank you for taking the time to explain friend!
in my country the t-gt II is almost $300 cheaper than the fanatec gt dd pro, i don't know why maybe because of taxes and that it is the only reseller in my country
@@SimulatedDrivingResource yeah, and i really want the fanatec gt dd bro.haha, eventhough i'll be doing sim -driving (eurotruck simulator etc.) more than sim-racing,
@@RonAhL I never played Eurotruck simulator before but indeed with any other game, the bonus of the T-DFB is not applicable so I can understand the choice + the GT DD should retain its value better. However 300$ is a lot of money extra.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource yeah it really is a lot of money, and i also want the fanatec shifter to have a more immersive experience but it cost $400 in my country,. which really very sad for someone who wants fanatec products.
Perhaps next time put up the two final lap times to see side by side at the end of the video, you could edit the description and put the two lap times there. The plastic faces on the Fanatec pedals don't seem like a great design to me, wonder why they used all that metal for the rest of the pedal set and then plastic for the pedal faces.
Mmmmmm ok I will do that first thing tomorrow but I don't want to stress the result too much either 🙄 Yes! I dont understand their choice for the pedals... it makes it look so much cheaper with that hard plastic face on it. Sometimes they really make weird choices at Fanatec 😵💫
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Yeah, the results are pretty meaningless, I'm sure there are people who could consistently set better lap times with a cheap Logitech wheel than I can with my TGT. But I think people still like to see a comparison of lap times even when they know they don't mean much.
Someone just put a comment the review was false because I slid through the first corner... and thats what I was afraid of if I would put up lap times. 😕
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Probably just a fanboy of one of the wheels who feels like your comparison was unfair for his preferred wheel. The important thing is not a lap time comparison, but how each wheel feels, the construction quality, feedback and stuff like that. Lap times are down to the skill of the racer and tend to not change much between different wheels anyway. People who think a better wheel will make them faster are wrong.
I'm a simulation driver, not a racer but I am sure there are plenty of other content creators that can help you decide. Thanks for taking the time to leave feedback.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Seriously turn all that nonsense off and you will have a much more immersive challenge. Have you tried psvr2 with gt7 it's a game changer. I have the tgt2 and the rumble on the pedals is a game changer.
@@minners71 I have a severe case of motion sickness. I can't use VR unfortunately. I stick to driving around BeamNG and occasionally driving some in ACC (the PS has not been used for driving in a long time). Dont get me wrong. I understand completely and for someone that really wants to be completely immersed, the brake lines are no good I agree. I simply dont have that much time as I should to learn tracks and feel more confident when they are there.
Ninguno de los dos volantes m quita la sensacion de ir deslizandome por el asfalto como si patirara o resbalara. No creo q sea culpa de los volantes, sino del simulador q no acaba de materializar un equilibrio en las fuerzas G que trasmite la fuerza de inercia, centrifuga y centripeta q desarrollan unos neumaticos de competicion. En un coche real, esas fuerzas las proporcionan los neumaticos, el peso del vehiculo y la velocidad, pero sobre todo aquella fuerza de friccion q ejerce un neumatico al ejercer resistencia. No me parece q ningun simulador llegue tan lejos. Un saludo
Sí, puedo ver completamente su punto y tiene sentido. Sin embargo, y esto es personal, por supuesto, en GT7 con el T-DFB, sientes un poco la textura del asfalto sobre el que estás conduciendo. Esa pequeña característica extra es algo que eché mucho de menos en el GT DD Pro.
@@captafaro Hola mi amigo. Force feedback ha mejorado drásticamente después de la actualización 1.15 SI aplica la nueva configuración. Me siento un poco triste porque ya vendí el GT DD Pro, así que no puedo probarlo. forum.fanatec.com/discussion/26059/new-recommended-ffb-settings-for-gt-dd-pro-after-gt7-patch-1-15. ¡Muchas gracias por la noticia!
Fake review!! Laps not clean, slide on dd pro cost like 0.7 . And you should test it with normal load cell package . No one racing with those 2 pedals .
@@SimulatedDrivingResource not sure if I did miss point. How come that you are the first person that shows TGT is faster then DD . Most important thing is lap time ,even if it's not comfortable and not nice to drive ,I would go always go for lap time. So you saying that some plastic belt driven wheel is faster then Direct Drive ? After watching so many videos you are first who's showing it mate. I'll watch video one more time ...
@@TechnicalUnderground33 look my friend... I just race for fun 2 days in a week for an hour or two. The gameplay video's are just to illustrate, not to prove which one is faster. Like you say, plenty of more professional drivers out there like a SuperGT that can do that. What is important for me from this video is that people know what to expect. The quality of the pedals, the rim, the base itself. I specifically also do not highlight the lap times as the DD in someone Else s hand will be faster then in mine because again, I dont practice that much like other people. But that does not mean my opinion on it is of a lesser value or false, it just means I look at it in another perspective then you do.
The DD Pro scores better on 1)power marginally (8Nm) 2)smoothness so if you take into account only those variables, sure it is better than the TGT. But its not just that and the TGT scores for this particular game with an exclusive feature and quality of included steering wheel much higher than the "new" one.
So I would take away for myself: A TGT is a viable solution for most people so the DD is not the only feature that counts… Perhaps I might consider an upgrade from T300 to used TGT (oh dear). New price purchase is a bit out of reach to play like two days a week. DD Pro is hardly visible on 2nd hand Market as it is still rather new. For the T-GT is easier to find the first one over the T-GT 2.
That way I could keep the LCM pedals… Perhaps in a couple of months.
The feeling of the wheel is important when playing longer periods. But if one prefers to wear gloves they might be good with the surface on the GT DD Pro wheel.
Thanks as always for supplying all this info (from a non-professional view). :)
One question about the directional sticks on the DD Pro: Do Vertical and Horizontal axis work the same thing?
I think you are right especially those on the Thrustmaster eco system as the wheels, TLCM pedals etc can be reused and you can find a TGT 2 base unit at a better price or second hand as mentioned. Whilst the DD will no doubt be immense, the eco systems can add up very fast and unless you are a hardcore Sim Racer it may not be worth it as even my current T300 with the T-LCM pedals provide enough FFB and the pedals are great. My route will probably be buying the TGT 2 base unit at some point in the future especially if prices drop a bit or second hand or even refurbished as I have seen some refurbished units at a very low price..
I had the tgt 2 before the dd 8 nm. There is a world between the two, the csl dd is the choice to do. Sorry for my english.
Dear Neosphinx, as a consequence of this I have just bought myself a used T-GT (1) at a price of 350€. I will need to wait until end of day to try it out. Also I need to watch my back for growing additional funding. ;) Can you give me heads up that I have not massively overspent?
Dear mister MarcianZero, that is exactly the right price in my book and I believe it is the same I paid for it. You certainly did not overpay and Well, I do have some fertilizer extra free of charge... it can get a bit smelly though 😏 I hope you'll have tons of fun with it my friend! 🥳🥳🥳
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thanks for the heads-up. :) The rim really feels nice. That much I can say. The T300 started to give me like blisters on the thumbs.
The seller moved to Fanatec. He is having the rim covered in leather because he likes the feeling of the GT DD Pro not so much. Quite some additional expense.
In the last year I've gone from a T150 to a T300 to a 8nm DD Pro. I'd say the jump in FFB feel and quality between each has been equally exponential. I know I shouldn't be faster with the DD Pro than the T300, but I am. I have no experience with the T-GT, of course, but if there's anyone considering an "upgrade" from a T300, you will definitely enjoy the DD Pro.
Thank you for the feedback. And for the "being faster". I can relate. The DD just feels more crisp, more precise and more easy to control. The stronger FFB makes you much more aware of the behaviour of your car.
Hi - thanks for the review - being brutally honest about the DD Pro for Gran turismo 7, I personally found it to be shocking - no road feel - no nothing - just no feedback at all even with boost kit - went straight back to my TGT - so much more immersion and feel and much quicker lap times and consistency
I personally think something is wrong with the ffb in GT7 for the DD Pro. When you use it in other games, it is much more outspoken. I did however feel a noticeable difference between 5 and 8nm. Thanks for the feedback friend!
Hi! Completely agree with you. Just received my DD Pro, and I feel a bit disappointed. Dont think it is a big jump. It feels more refined and precise, but the T-GT is very close and feels more natural. Also the trancducer makes a big difference. As you said, no road feeling. I probably will return it and keep the T-GT. P.S.: the grip and general quality is just a joke..
Even at this moment, while I almost only play pc sim drivers so without TDFB, I still am not sure which I prefer. That just shows how underestimated the TGT is as a base
@@ollochances so would you recommend getting the dd pro over the gt2 for ps5? Cant decide
I have watched many descriptions on wheels and noone said the true as it is. Mostly confused me than helping me. Man your description is amazing! Saying the true as it is and make me understand perfectly what every wheel does! You are the best!
Glad to be of assistance friend. Thank you for the kind words 💙
Also worth mentioning the Fanatec is harder to get hold off, often you need to go direct to them where the Trustmaster can be found in lots of stores.
Dependant from region to region but indeed, Thrustmaster has a better logistics-network than Fanatec
no telling if your product you purchased will actually turn up with fanatec either 😂💩 some people are still missing their DD wheels when they ordered them on black friday last year 😂🙃
I dont understand why T-gt making the transducer only compatible with GT. For Thrustmaster to be able to remain competitive,it makes total sense to enable transducer effect in pc mode.. or at least make the protocol somehow open source so it can be work with sim hub etc. This is a good selling point with almost no added cost to thrustmaster
That is also what I hope. It really set that wheelbase apart from others. And that is what they need right now with the growing competition. Something to set them apart from the competition.
Actually, there are more games that support the transducer now, which is great for us consumers 😊
I will have to look into this as I haven't seen this news pass by. Thanks for sharing 👌
@@thegreycountwhich games? The official support page and general info on the internet only mentions gran turismo
I can't recall where I read it now, will get back to you with a link if I find it@@JC-Zoso
The 8Nm power supply I believe is a must have for the DD Pro. Loving it and also the Load Cell Brake and Pedal Tuning Kit. Been having so much fun. Upgraded from the Logitech G29
That is indeed a big upgrade friend. Glad you are enjoying it and the 5Nm is not bad, it is the same engine, but yes, that bit of extra power is recommended.
perhaps in other sim racing titles this woulf be key.. in my case with GT7 I could not appreciate any particular benefit when moved to 8Nm .. I feel that dynamic range offered by 5Nm was more the enough when it comes to FF
Thanks for the video and Happy Easter! In Italy last Year during the Black Friday the tgt2 was at 599€
That is more priced as it should. Happy Easter my Italian friend!
The best package out of these two is the one that you can actually get - The Thrustmaster T-GT I can order and have delivered the next day. Fanatec on the other hand seems to be permanently sold out of just about everything, with no future availability dates.
Hence I'm sticking with my current TS-PC and seeing what Thrustmaster come up with on their forthcoming DD wheel base.
I have a GT DD Pro for sale 🙄
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Tempting, but I'm too invested in Thrustmaster with various rims and pedals to really want to switch, hence I'm waiting for the TM DD base.
That said I'm pretty sure a few of your subscribers would probably have an interest in it.
@@slaphead90 you are absolutely right. Even with the GT DD, I still will use the TGT as my main base because of the rim and pedals I have. Like you, I hope for a good deal coming from TM regarding their DD.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource have you still the GT DD pro for sale?
It was sold 1 hour after it was put online for the retail price minus shipping costs 😯
I got my fanatec set up last week. Now I’m coming from a controller so what may seem am exaggeration is truly how I feel. This thing is above and beyond anything I could ever have imagined. I built a trak racer tr80 lite to go with it. I was nervous the whole week before the rig was built that the 5 nm without a load cell was gonna disappoint. I came from using a controller for over 20 years. I can actually stop the car from slipping out now. The first day was kinda rough. I was everywhere but on the road. The next day I took my time and within an hour I was better with the rig than on the controller. I want a handbrake and different wheel so I can race on wrc 10 and dirt 2.0. The wheel is cheap and from what I keep reading is a load cell will actually improve braking. We shall see.
It does change the entire experience with a wheel, doesn't it 😁 indeed, load cell and a different rim are things to consider, but for now, enjoy the ride my friend 👍👍👍
Very nice review. Considering the GT DD Pro
Thank you for the kind words and support. It is a fine wheel and certainly worth it when upgrading from most wheels.
I needed an upgrade as by G29 was breaking down with louder cogging noises and paddles that sometimes did not respond. I wanted to buy the DD Pro but the cost in Australia is very high, about $1500 and the wait time is in the months for delivery. I found a seller that offered the T-GT II "pack" for $750 delivered, which is a great price over here, so I went with that and then had to buy pedals. I found a seller that has T-LCM pedals for $400 delivered so I bought those too. In conclusion, I paid $1150 AU for my upgrade and had them within 3 days. Enormous upgrade over a G29 but I get sore feet from the pedals as they are much stiffer, especially the killer break pedal. I'm very happy with my purchase and as a casual, mediocre skilled driver. I doubt I would tell the difference between this and the DD Pro except for the lack of feedback the T-GT II provides which is fun and gimmicky. I also like that I can replace the wheel if I choose which is something the G29 did not offer. I miss the gear shifter I got with the G29 and will have to fork out over $300 for the Thrustmaster shifter but that will have to wait while I recover from this spending spree!
You would certainly be able to tell the difference between the two... And indeed, that is certainly a good upgrade. It makes playing the game even more immersive. Dont worry about your feet, they will get used to it... or you could try lowering the angle a bit. The pedals are the best investment I made. You could also check your second hand sites. That would be cheaper?
@@SimulatedDrivingResource I did check the second hand market for the shifter and the cheapest I found was $285. The cheapest new shifter I found was $314 delivered. Over here, being so far away from the rest of the world, things are pricey and not as available. The used market is small and almost on par with the new market. Such is life!
@@boxboxbox624 i was going to say "could be worse" but even in China it seems more accessible it seems 🙄
I went from the g29 to the tg2. I was blown away by how good it is. I was going between the dd pro and tg2, I went as mentioned for the tg2 because of this specific feature for Gt7. This feature will be copied by Fanatec I predict, as the immersion is taken to a level that isn’t matched on Gt7. Guys how much better are these thrustmaster load cell pedals? Your help would be appreciated.
Hello from Melbourne :-) I, too, had a G29, and had the same issue after a couple of years of the wheel missing shifts when I clicked the paddles. Whatever!
I bought the DD Pro, but reckon you may have the better buy. I say this because even after the G29 wheel, the buttons, particularly, on the new wheel feel very dodgy. I loved the old G29, buttons, as budget as that may seem to many.
Also, out of the box, the loadcell, when fitted to the initial two-pedals that came standard, caused a conflict which meant the throttle would not work. After MANY days (weeks?) Fanatec sent me replacements, and now they work fine, but the Hell I went through: they wanted pictures of my cabling setup, even a video. Initially they tried to convince me I had connected it incorrectly. Hopeless ....
After I had successfully set it up, I went and looked up the Fanatec customer forums. Apparently, the issue with the loadcell kit causing a conflict and rendering the accelerator pedal inoperative is widespread (read the boards), but I have seen no press release from them.
Upshot is I would warn people away from the DD Pro until Fanatec fix and acknowledge this issue, and provide much better support than is currently the case.
Love the Lego Delorian btw, im a grown man and collect them still. :D. I bought the TGT 2 used on ebay for 350 he only used it a few times and Im liking it alot in ACC. Cant wait to see the T-DFB in GT7 since driving in ACC wihotut it already felt amazing. I read in a few forums that many GT7 Pros prefer it to DD and some of the Leaderboards fastest times are done on this Wheelset. Nice review doesnt make me regret my purchase like some other youtubers that comment on this underrated Wheel and Base. I also bought the loadcells to switch em out with the one from the Set. See ya on the Track ;)
Always nice to meet a fellow AFOL 😎 yeah.. I'm not a pro but its just so much nicer immersion-wise than the competition in GT franchise and because its dual belt and relatively high torque its also very good in the rest of the games. Price new and pedals are its weakness, but you Got a good deal 👍👍
Here we are! Happy Easter days for you, your loved ones and your audience. ;)
Aweeeeee... and a happy Eastern for yourself and the Family too❤️
thanks for sharing your informations.
Well ... in the end, however, it is never clear which of the two according to those who test it is the best, but it seems to me that looking at the lap times of the video the TGT checked the best time, almost a second better than the DD Pro
Correct. Which is best is highly dependable on the person testing it. Most people (I assume) would pick the GT DD Pro as best, just because it drives so very smooth. But to be honest, there is no "best". Both the wheels have their merits and flaws. The laps on the end are examples of the behaviour of the bases, rims and pedals. It can not be counted as a proper "who is fastest" comparison. The material is very different to what I normally use and the result is that those times really are not representant of the technology. I could have gone faster with the DD Pro with a little more exercise but I had set a fixed number of laps. My personal opinion about the bases? I like the TGT better as it makes my feet tingle when I drive... it is more "fun"... but something like that I can't put in a review 😌 thank you for the feedback, friend.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource I wanted to ask you one more thing, some owners of DD Pro fanatec said they do not hear the feedback of the loss of grip of the tires, did you also have this feeling?
What they need to understand is that it is a completely different technology (assuming they come from belt or gear-driven wheelbases). I personally did not experience it as an issue but I am also not a pro. What also is a possible explanation is that they need to play around with their settings. Some people think that putting everthing on "max" gives the best driving experience, but that is mostly not the case. Either way, it is all very subjective, like I try to point out in my reviews.
And what about Assetto corsa competizione ps5? Which one do you recommend?
Because if its thrustmaster, i can take it for a day from ours shops. Fanatec, i have to wait longer. 🙂
Based on performance, I would say Fanatec. You lose the advantage of t-DFB with ACC for the T-TG
Thanks a lot for this sincere review. It's difficult to find someone without going to extremes and able to explain pros and cons of both wheels. I'm very happy with my DD Pro, coming from a G29. It's really a big improvement! For me the worst of it is the wheel itself. The buttons feel cheap, I specially hate the big D-Pad... What's that experiment?? Is totally unpleasand to move for menus with it... :( I think that in terms of wheel only, the TGT is far superior. I suppose that the base is the most important part (and of course I think it's better than the Thrustmaster), but is a pity that it came with this wheel. I suppose that they need to lower the price somehow...
Thank you for the feedback friend and yes, the difference base-wise with the g29 is huge. Its indeed really sad that they included the cheap rim and especially when you come from a good quality one like the G29 a let-down. Have fun and succes with the races!!
Thank you for the video and your insight - I really appreciated it since I just got the grand turismo and hope to play it on my new to come PS5 VR2- but why not just mention the fanatec or the thrustmaster? I had to stop and "rewind" the video a few times because I got lost with all those GTPDDPTDGPT.... :D
I had to put ice on my tongue after that video. I wish I had thought about keeping is simple like that before I made the video. But a good sugestion for next comparison. Thank you for the feedback and have fun with the VR. Hope you are spared from motion sickness. It is a reason why I wont be reviewing that so I will be looking forward towards reading user experiences of it 😏
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Well, I get motion sickness already on a flatscreen :D
Oh i can see the logic of going VR then 🤭 i am sure it will be fine.
Great and well explained video! Thank you!!
Literally the only review I have seen that hasn’t come to the conclusion that the fanatec product isn’t miles better than the thrustmaster offering. Personally I love the fanatec wheel and I get where you are coming from with the rubber wheel but I doesn’t feel bad just that there is a few levels above it, which of course with the fanatec ecosystem you can pay to upgrade to. The more interesting comparison will be between the gt dd pro and the thrustmaster dd offering which is rumoured to be coming
Nope because in the end, it boils down to personal preference which one is "better". A wheelbase package being better then another does not simply mean that it has more advanced technology. You think the wheel is OK, I think is a sticky piece of plastic and dislike it in such a way that it overshadows the rest of my experience with it (even though the base is sublime) so, personal preference... no-one wins 😎 And yes, it is something to look forward too, I am already saving up to buy that one to review but something tells me still enough time to save up (seeing I already made 5 videos on that topic). I hope they keep the T-DFB in some form in their new wheel.
@neosphinx. What do you recommend buying new. A TGT2 or GT dd pro? I really only play GT7. Both are similarly priced around $800. I am coming from a Thrustmaster T248 for reference. Thanks!
Hard choice friend. Still the TGT apeals more to me because of the t-dfb for GT7. However, should you change games or platform, it will not work and you are better off with the DD Pro 8. That being said, you have the T3PM from the T248 which are better than what you get with the DD Pro..... It is a close call but if I was to buy something new, myself, with the knowledge that I have now, I would probably go for the GT DD Pro. It keeps its value better, has a better (albeit more expensive) eco-system and is more future-proof (should you start playing other games). If on the other hand you can score a decent tgt(2) on the second hand market, that would make things different
@@SimulatedDrivingResource ok. Thanks for the insight!
@@SimulatedDrivingResource forgot to ask. Does the GT do pro give road vibrations and detail in GT7?
Not in the way the TGT does. In the ffb of gt7, i find in general that the DD Pro lacks the simulation of the asphalt of the track. In other games its better though. I will test out with the later updates if it is any better one of these days. Maybe they did something about it but I remember the ride as very "clinical" in gt7
@@SimulatedDrivingResource awesome! Thanks!
Hi, why do you think that upgrading from a TGT2 to the DD Pro is not worth it for playing GT7?
No man... not for GT7
@@SimulatedDrivingResource yes but why? You mean the difference is not so big to justify the upgrade?
@@andreagolinelli9066 correct. You will loose the T-DFB and a well-finished leather wheel and you will gain a bit more smooth and a bit more powerful (ffb in GT7 is not the "best") and its just not worth the investment NEW.
Unfortunately after 2 months my TGT 2 died, power cable to base came loose, wire is to heavy for base connection causing disconnects, shame I really enjoyed it.
Ordered DD pro, hopefully quality control is better. Happy Easter 👍
Aie... ok now that would indeed be a case to upgrade from T-GT to DD Pro . I am sorry to hear and wish you more luck with Fanatec. And a happy Eastern to you and yours too 👍👍👍
on DD Pro do a search for shaft wobbling ..I hope mine will not suffer as for now I am really enjoying performance and smoothness over my previous G29...
Im thinking to do the opposite haha, ma Dd pro died after 4 weeks. And with fanatecs customer service i think i wil never get a solution. So im thinking to switching for a TGT2. 😅
Power lead was probably not plugged in completely you have to press it hard to fully seat it
Coming from someone who owns g29, is the gt dd pro the best option? Also you mention that the fanatec is very smooth, but what do you mean by that because i love the feeling of bumps and kerbs, i will also being playing wrc 10 and i know from playing it a lot, feeling bumps are crucial. Thanks for any help!
With the G29 you have this feeling that there are some dead points where the gears come into eachother. Same with belt-driven, you feel tiny imperfections. I would recommend seeing my video that talks about the difference of gear, belt-driven and direct drive technology as it will better explain what I mean. You will ofcourse still have the force feedback but it will feel more "pure". I can not say if the GT DD Pro is the best option, as that is preference and dependant on, the range of games you play, the amount of time you spend playing, budget, availibility and so on but it is the one with the most advanced technology coming closest to the real thing. But, if you decide to go for DD pro, I would advise taking the 8Nm one.
Just get the base. Don’t buy the bundle with the piece of shit wheel
@@AC-wl7ve what the fanatec wheel is rubbish?
@@adamrigg7175 the gt one in the bundle is yes.
@@adamrigg7175 you’re better off getting the base with eithe the bmw wheel or the wrc wheel
Hello. Nice video. Only one description. The fanatec is faster than thrust master? This is the point. Have quicker respons in corners? And quicker laps? Thanks .
A wheelbase is only as fast as the skills of the person driving it. Because the GT DD is more precise, in theory, it should give you better times.... in theory.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource ok thanks a lot. I Will she if never coming in my arms !! Is in Athens Greece in ups 10 days . The worst country ever !!!!! They come from Germany in Italy and after Greece in 2 days and now here in ups they sleeping all!!!! 10 days to come in paxos island 🤣 rotten country rotten politics rotten all !!!
Hello there. I received the wheel . I cant play 🤣 is so difficult!!!! I don't know ,why ? I try all night yesterday in monza !! Is my favourite track .in the first double corners after the first staigt i go out almost always!!! I lost the car! I play with r8 gr3 almost 800 pp race 10 laps for money price 160.000 . i think i keep my controler 😥😥
@@steliosapergis dont worry my friend, you need time to adapt, your leg muscles need to learn when to hit the brake and how far they need to go. Go slow first... It takes some time but you will become faster and faster. Remember, the Akropolis was also not built in one day. Succes!
@@SimulatedDrivingResource hahah you have right mate! Have a nice day ☺️
Happy easter From greece. nice video and comparison again. 👍
Did you try them to pc also? I wonder if the difference is the same?
I want to change my t300 but with which? Play on pc. Thanks
And a happy Easter to you my friend. Unfortunately not. Only test on ps4. The T-DFB only works on GT. From a T300, both will be an upgrade, but I would (unless you can buy the TGT at a good price) recommend the CSL DD for PC.
Hello, how satisfied are you with the Thrusmaster TG2? I am choosing between the TG2 and the Fanatec dd2 Pro 8nm GranTurismo. Do you happen to have experience with the DD2 as well? I will primarily be playing GT7 on PS5. There is really such an enormous difference between the Fanatec dd2 pro (direct drive) and the Thrusmaster TG2. Thanks a lot in advance for the answer.
Hello Daniel. In any other game except gran turismo, the DD Pro 8nm is a better base simply because of the smoothness of the ride and the power. In gt7 i dont think the ffb for DD pro is optimized enough and there the Tgt has the extra feature being the T-DFB which I absolutely adore because it adds immersion. Both bases are good bases. No matter which one you will pick, you will be happy with. Perhaps, future-wise, the DD pro 8Nm will just be a tad better if you decide to play other games. I do want to point out that you talk about dd2, but there is no dd2 of 8nm, only the CSL DD and GT DD Pro. I like the TGT and have been driving more than a year with it and for me personally, it is enough.. in GT AND other games.
Great, thanks a lot for the answer.
After 2 hours of using TGT II i just changed that moaning cooling fan
Keep it cool friend! 👍😎
@@SimulatedDrivingResource stock fan is amazing! Deafeningly loud... There is plenty of room for thermistor and dc-dc regulator ;)
Great review 👍
I had the T-GT base with the SF1000 wheel, but I decide to change to the DD Pro with V3 pedals and V2.5 formula wheel. The GT wheel i did sell and never touched it, really did not like it, looked like a toy wheel
Big change, big investment. But the game you play is more F1 then?
@@SimulatedDrivingResource only 3 games, F1, ACC and GT7, so all works well with Formula wheel. Only thing I cannot play, is Rally cars
And did you take the 5Nm or 8? You don't miss the T-DFB in GT7?
@@SimulatedDrivingResource 8nm right away :-) if it gonna cost some money, lets max it out right away 😉 i only miss the SF1000, that was a really great wheel, but the Fanatec is overall a step up...next step?? Dont know for now, as i am on Ps5, so Moza is not relevant at this moment for me. And..i think the biggest surprise...i am using all on a Playseat Challenge 😁
Haha.. but didn't you put on reinforcements on it if I remember correctly? You just bought a DD Pro and already thinking about the next upgrade... can I come check your back because I would love to farm some cash from it :D
Was you faster with tg?
Yeah... Just had a very good last session with the T-GT so unexpectedly it was the faster lap.
That probably has to do more with the pedals than the different wheel base
@@samuelchan9501 why do you think this is please?
The element that makes you faster is and will remain, the brake pedal
Great video! You do well for someone whose native language is not English :-)
Thank you for the kind words. It does get easier with every video.
My main wheel is a DD1 podium, my son had a GT DD for 3 months and i have spent alot of time on it to try and get it to "feel" close to what I get on a DD1. I never achieved getting FFB any where close to a DD1.
The GT DD even with the boost pack is only marginally better than a T300 in terms of FFB, it is very vague in the 1st 20deg off centre there is very little detail in terms of road sensation and feel of grip and weight transfer on corner entry. You can not run it at max FFB as it causes alot of clipping with the boost pack but you have to run it at close to max to get any real detail out of it. The fanatec pedals are miles better than any Thrustmaster pedals.
My son ended up selling his GT DD and is now saving up the balance for a DD1 podium.
A DD1 base is also twice the price of a DD Pro base. I agree it feels bland in the first 20° but for corners, for me it is fine. That can probably be explained that I have not had a podium as ref of course. What do you mean with marginally better then T300? Max torque? The ffb imo feels very clean, very precise, much more then with a T300. Yeah, pedals are not great of TM although T3PM and TLCM are very pleasant and reasonable precise to use.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource marginally better in terms of what you get for your money, the ffb is smoother, the wheel reaction time is better, the build quality is much higher on the fanatec, I can't really say anything negative about the reliability of the DD Pro because it hasn't been out long enough. I believe after using Logitech, Thrustmaster and fanatec wheels over the past 15+ years that the CSL/GT DD is still a very over priced entry level product. Although the T300 suffers from thermal degradation at that price point you get more value for your money and think that anyone looking to upgrade should probably go for a higher end DD like Simcube, fanatec DD1/2 or any other high end DD.
Imo the value isn't there on the CSL/GT DD unless you are not financially challenged and get one as your 1st wheel or upgrade from Logitech, it's not enough of an upgrade from a belt drive. 8Nm is peek torque and probably has a holding torque of less than 5Nm that would put it on par with the older fanatec CSW and the Thrustmaster products
I understand what you are saying. For me both T-GT and DD Pro are overpriced in comparison to a T300 however, both wheels give more functions (like T-DFB), more torque and more precission. Disregarding the price, both are an upgrade to a T300. As for DD pro not being worth the upgrade from a belt, Well.... maybe if I was having the conversation with the you of 12 years ago, your answer might have been different (less experienced, less budget). The thing I carry from your comment is: if you really take virtual motorsports seriously, are not hindered by the 1k-monetary-barrier, just skip the middle (for me 500€ to 1k is middle class) and go to advanced directly as then you really will experience how direct drive is supposed to be. Unfortunately, I will never be able to recommend that as I am limited by budget 😎 Thank you for taking the time to explain friend!
It’s a lot more than marginally better than a t300
@@cured_bacon647
which ??
in my country the t-gt II is almost $300 cheaper than the fanatec gt dd pro, i don't know why maybe because of taxes and that it is the only reseller in my country
Yes that is a known phenomenom. Fanatec distribution can not be compared to TM at the moment unfortunately
@@SimulatedDrivingResource yeah, and i really want the fanatec gt dd bro.haha, eventhough i'll be doing sim -driving (eurotruck simulator etc.) more than sim-racing,
@@RonAhL I never played Eurotruck simulator before but indeed with any other game, the bonus of the T-DFB is not applicable so I can understand the choice + the GT DD should retain its value better. However 300$ is a lot of money extra.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource yeah it really is a lot of money, and i also want the fanatec shifter to have a more immersive experience but it cost $400 in my country,. which really very sad for someone who wants fanatec products.
Perhaps next time put up the two final lap times to see side by side at the end of the video, you could edit the description and put the two lap times there.
The plastic faces on the Fanatec pedals don't seem like a great design to me, wonder why they used all that metal for the rest of the pedal set and then plastic for the pedal faces.
Mmmmmm ok I will do that first thing tomorrow but I don't want to stress the result too much either 🙄
Yes! I dont understand their choice for the pedals... it makes it look so much cheaper with that hard plastic face on it. Sometimes they really make weird choices at Fanatec 😵💫
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Yeah, the results are pretty meaningless, I'm sure there are people who could consistently set better lap times with a cheap Logitech wheel than I can with my TGT. But I think people still like to see a comparison of lap times even when they know they don't mean much.
Someone just put a comment the review was false because I slid through the first corner... and thats what I was afraid of if I would put up lap times. 😕
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Probably just a fanboy of one of the wheels who feels like your comparison was unfair for his preferred wheel. The important thing is not a lap time comparison, but how each wheel feels, the construction quality, feedback and stuff like that. Lap times are down to the skill of the racer and tend to not change much between different wheels anyway. People who think a better wheel will make them faster are wrong.
@@Enoch-Root thank you for reminding me of the purpose of my reviews 🙂👍👍👍
Not sure if i should take advice from someone who still has the braking zones showing while racing.
I'm a simulation driver, not a racer but I am sure there are plenty of other content creators that can help you decide. Thanks for taking the time to leave feedback.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Seriously turn all that nonsense off and you will have a much more immersive challenge. Have you tried psvr2 with gt7 it's a game changer. I have the tgt2 and the rumble on the pedals is a game changer.
@@minners71 I have a severe case of motion sickness. I can't use VR unfortunately. I stick to driving around BeamNG and occasionally driving some in ACC (the PS has not been used for driving in a long time). Dont get me wrong. I understand completely and for someone that really wants to be completely immersed, the brake lines are no good I agree. I simply dont have that much time as I should to learn tracks and feel more confident when they are there.
Ninguno de los dos volantes m quita la sensacion de ir deslizandome por el asfalto como si patirara o resbalara. No creo q sea culpa de los volantes, sino del simulador q no acaba de materializar un equilibrio en las fuerzas G que trasmite la fuerza de inercia, centrifuga y centripeta q desarrollan unos neumaticos de competicion. En un coche real, esas fuerzas las proporcionan los neumaticos, el peso del vehiculo y la velocidad, pero sobre todo aquella fuerza de friccion q ejerce un neumatico al ejercer resistencia. No me parece q ningun simulador llegue tan lejos. Un saludo
Sí, puedo ver completamente su punto y tiene sentido. Sin embargo, y esto es personal, por supuesto, en GT7 con el T-DFB, sientes un poco la textura del asfalto sobre el que estás conduciendo. Esa pequeña característica extra es algo que eché mucho de menos en el GT DD Pro.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource saludos amigo. Sabes algo de la actualizacion 1.15? He leido que han tocado el FFB de los volantes. Un saludo
@@captafaro Hola mi amigo. Force feedback ha mejorado drásticamente después de la actualización 1.15 SI aplica la nueva configuración.
Me siento un poco triste porque ya vendí el GT DD Pro, así que no puedo probarlo. forum.fanatec.com/discussion/26059/new-recommended-ffb-settings-for-gt-dd-pro-after-gt7-patch-1-15. ¡Muchas gracias por la noticia!
@@SimulatedDrivingResource pues tengo entendido que lo habian bajado tanto que no se nota. Aun asi, seguire informandome. Un abrazo.
Gracias por la info. Yo voy a disponer del TGT2, sabes si existe alguna configuracion para este volante?
Countersteering assist why not off ? 😄
🤫 i am just an amateur
They failed so with not having rotary buttons
That is the word i have been looking for. Thank you!!
very good video :)
Thank you for the support! 👍👍👍
I think the normal fanatec wheel rims are much better
The normal ones that have been provided so far by Fanatec are indeed better then the one included in this package
The Fanatec is always sold out
Yes. Current Covid/Ukraine situation is not helpful.
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감사합니다. 감사합니다! :)
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Excellent. I hope you were watching the entire playlist. I can use a few extra views. Thanks 😏
Fake review!! Laps not clean, slide on dd pro cost like 0.7 . And you should test it with normal load cell package . No one racing with those 2 pedals .
Ehmz.... how does that make it fake? 🤔🙄
@@SimulatedDrivingResource you need to do very similar laps not sliding around mate . Need to improve driving skills first to judge something
@@TechnicalUnderground33 I think you completely miss the point of the video friend.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource not sure if I did miss point. How come that you are the first person that shows TGT is faster then DD . Most important thing is lap time ,even if it's not comfortable and not nice to drive ,I would go always go for lap time. So you saying that some plastic belt driven wheel is faster then Direct Drive ? After watching so many videos you are first who's showing it mate. I'll watch video one more time ...
@@TechnicalUnderground33 look my friend... I just race for fun 2 days in a week for an hour or two. The gameplay video's are just to illustrate, not to prove which one is faster. Like you say, plenty of more professional drivers out there like a SuperGT that can do that. What is important for me from this video is that people know what to expect. The quality of the pedals, the rim, the base itself. I specifically also do not highlight the lap times as the DD in someone Else s hand will be faster then in mine because again, I dont practice that much like other people. But that does not mean my opinion on it is of a lesser value or false, it just means I look at it in another perspective then you do.
It’s absolutely crazy to say a DD wheel of any type is not better than non direct drive. Ridiculous to say otherwise
The DD Pro scores better on 1)power marginally (8Nm) 2)smoothness so if you take into account only those variables, sure it is better than the TGT. But its not just that and the TGT scores for this particular game with an exclusive feature and quality of included steering wheel much higher than the "new" one.