Nice comparison, I have used mine on 8Nm from day one. I bought the CSL GT DD PRO bundle with a CSL WRC wheel and the boost kit right away so I could play on an Xbox. I do not have a PlayStation so I did not need the GT wheel. 8Nm is definitely sufficient for casual gaming.
Nice comparison. Confirms my impression. I haven’t measured it (because I wouldn’t know how), but my feelin was that the gap must be way more than nominative 50% on the force. Even if you dial the settings to mid level on 8nm, the sensation is way more intense than on 5nm at the very high settings. It felt a bit like an artificial naming for me… I moved to the GT DD over the T-GT because I can use it on PS5 and Xbox (different wheel rim necessary vs GT DD Pro pack). At the 5nm level, I would have switched back to T-GT. The other vendors split their products by console. Hence you need to change wheelbases if you want to play both consoles (once the next Forza Motorsport arrives). If you are strictly on PlayStation and especially on GTS or GT7, the T-GT is a great choice. Better choice all things considered. For the Thrustmaster DD I am still curious when that one will come with console compatibility and how they solve the Xbox/PS topic.
It is difficult to really prove how much stronger but I really was surprised. I didnt think the difference would be soooooo obvious. Yeah, I can see people preferring the 8Nm Fanatec above the T-GT because of the compatibility.
It will work. Not really rocket science to make a PSU. I hope for 40€ they used some good materials. Have fun friend and if you remember, let me know how it goes
8nm simply provide more strength or actually provide more details that helps performance and consistency? If I am happy with the “comfort” 5nm mode but do want to have more details, should I upgrade?
Both. More power and more detail. You can usually limit the maximum torque it generates in game so that 8nm feels as "smooth" as 5Nn but still have more differentiation in the force feedback you receive. In my case, i did it at first for the more heavy steering in gt7 but in the end, the detail i got extra in beamng I really appreciate more. Should you upgrade? To be honest, in my pov, yes, but that is easy said then done because it means ofcourse another investment.
Great review, I have this GT DD pro bundle 3:08 but luckily I also bought a Fanatec McLaren GT3 wheel. The basic pedals are the first pedals I have ever had and I have nothing to compare it to, would you recommend upgrading? Thanks.
Thank you for the kind words friend. The pedals fall under the category "not bad but..." like the plastic pedal faces is something that can be better, also the lack of load-cell is meh... and you can't do really alot for adjusting it (stiffness of brake). So if you have the budget, yes, i would recommend doing an upgrade of the pedals.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thanks I will probably ugrade soon then. Also, have you noticed with the GT DD Pro that it makes a high pitch noise? Is that just for me or everyone?
@@luke8617 i didn't really experience this but it seems this could be resolved with a firmware upgrade. forum.fanatec.com/discussion/25931/csl-dd-pro-wheel-base-high-pitch-noise
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Wow that forum you linked is the same problem as me! I couldn't find anything on it so thank you! I'll try to fix it with the firmware upgrade.
I have a question, I can buy the ready2race bundle with McLaren wheel ( just the 5nm) for €560 or I can buy it with 8nm for €660 what should I do? I have now an Logitech g29 so I really wanna and gonna upgrade but should I instantly get the 8nm?
@@danielhulsbosch i believe that for whatever driving-simulation on whatever platform, the 8Nm will give you a much better appreciation for the money you will spend rather then the 5Nm.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource okay thank you, now I have been looking and on aliexpress you can get the 8nm boost kit for €40 (for me ofc) should i consider buy that one or just spend more and be sure it’s from fanatec
The 5nm feels like an artificially limited product, a bit numb. When you arrive at the 8nm package, you can dial down to mid level feedback and get more feedback than high setting on 5nm. Insane. The price of the 180Watt PSU is a tragedy though. I never felt the need for high forces, so I was driving at like 2 or 3, but then I recognized a higher resistance gives me the ability to make small steering corrections easier. Just a bit, but helpful.
I think its not at 5nm with the standard psu since its 90w...because with 180w ,thats double,they say you get 8nm...but if thisbis true than with standard psu of 90w ,logicaly,you should get around 4nm...so maybe thats why it feels so much different.
Maybe... but I believe the PSU's are standard. 45w, 90w, 180w, 270w and so on. Mathematically if only wattage would be important, you are correct of course
@@SimulatedDrivingResource i also found something interesting...for me its new because i didnt search anything about Fanatec since now. It looks like on the wheel,in the firmware,is a low torque setting for the plastic wheels and qr's...this is for safety,as i understood,so the plastic qr or the wheel not get damaged.
Wouldn't the 8Nm kit be too strong for foldable cockpits like the next level racing gt lite and PlayStation challenge though. Also it depends on what settings you have set on 5he wheelbase. Gt7 isn't a good test for force feed back either. GT7 doesn't have good ffb. You would have been better testing with other racing sims and if you can test some pc racing sims which would have much better and stronger ffb.
I have seen people use it on the foldable rigs but with reinforcements. I would recommend something more solid though. Yes, I am working on some other software but for now I have GT7. But even with GT7, you can differentiate the various hardware. I have ACC ready to test and will on a later time test the hardware on that one.
I finally got around to testing the CSL DD 5nm on Assetto Corsa after a year of only playing BeamNG. The sheer lack of anything shaking with the wheel as he's driving makes me seriously doubt the FFB strength output from the game he's playing. BeamNG prior to 2 updates ago had garbage force feedback in my opinon, but it was strong and the CSL DD wobbled the hell out of my cheap $77 folding stand. In Assetto at all default settings in-game and on the wheel my arms get exhausted after about an hour in some of the cars. In other cars they are as easy to drive all day as my real life minivan.
For me, there are 2 important factors. Force and precision. If you upgrade from a t300 to a 5Nm direct drive, you will be amazed with the added fluetness of the drive but the change in power is underwhelming. It gives a sour taste if you spend a large sum of money just for more precission. At least it was for me. On the other hand, the 8Nm has more precision AND force. So it may cost more, but at least the sentiment feels more like a real upgrade worth its money. I hope I make a bit sense.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource After reading the t300 has ,comparable to, around 4.5 nm, and your video. I Ordered the 8nm dd pro with sportV3 pedals. Cost me 1300 euros with express delivery.... It should arrive tomorrow. The VR2 came in today also... I hope i'll soon forget ho much this all cost me and can enjoy everything 🤣😂😅
@@HIBaysal i so hope you used my affiliate link for fanatec 😈 Well i can guarantee you will have a very very enjoyable time friend... and yes it is expensive but from time to time, it doesnt Hurt if we allow ourselves some guilty pleasures 👍💪
@@SimulatedDrivingResource oh cr*p :( I was too greedy to order/play I didn't look.... well, atleast you have 1 subscriber more :P 😅 Dank je wel voor de info!
Interesting, I use the TX-XW which at 100 percent gives about 7 to 8 NM and it's fantastic, it's the reason I haven't went to a DD . Just don't feel the need as of yet . But great comparison! As always
There is absolutely no reason why you should. I think, and I hope noone feels offended, but that alot of people just changed because of the hype surrounding it. I mean, if you have a decent base like the TX-XW, yes there is a difference, but its not worth 850€! I am sticking with the TGT too... I like it, it is not,only powerful but also fun to drive.
I went from having the tx-xw to having the gt dd pro 8nm and I can tell you the difference is night and day! The gt dd pro has so much more detail, it’s hard to explain but the dd pro feels like you’re driving in the car whereas the tx-xw feels like you’re driving on top of it! The tx-xw has 6nm of torque which is great with most games, but you don’t get all the subtle details due to it not having the extra 2nm headroom!
@@greghumphrey1 Ok even if I agree , There are several Nascar cup series drivers using the TX-XW today , right now who have no issues with detail . Among them petty gms driver Eric Jones. They on always on there sims to sharpen there game . If it's a good enough servo for drivers like that it's good enough for me ! Just saying . Mike McDowell who is a great road racer , uses the TX also ! And has many wins in the sim . I just can't see how they do so well if it's inferior......Anyway , It's enough at this time for me ..The future will tell ..I do mostly stock car stuff on Iracing . For that the TX is more than enough .I am not saying I .against DD but not everyone needs that level of detail , I feel pedals are more important.
You can't barley move my wheel when you turn it up in settings on 5nm you must be on auto or copied someone's low settings even on gt7 with its low ffb you can get a very heavy wheel if that's what you like... Also you haven't even turned the settings up to 10 in game so can't be that light to drive!!
I like heavy steering, yes, but even if you hang a pack of Salt on both ends of the wheel, it wouldnt be as heavy as the 8. Yes, the FFB is on 9 and not 10 but that would hardly give a different experience. I will test the FFB again, on a different platform and game soon but for now, this is what I experienced. As for buying another rim, I would, you are absolutely right, the plastic rim they provide in the pack is light.
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Nice comparison, I have used mine on 8Nm from day one. I bought the CSL GT DD PRO bundle with a CSL WRC wheel and the boost kit right away so I could play on an Xbox. I do not have a PlayStation so I did not need the GT wheel. 8Nm is definitely sufficient for casual gaming.
Praise yourself lucky you did not need the GT wheel 😌
Woo! You made it past the 1k mark, keep it up.
Yesssss... soon TH-cam will actually pay for all those commercials it puts in front of my videos 😎
Tbf, the holding torque without the Boost Kit is around 3.5n/m, but with the boost kit, it's around 6n/m, so it's nearly double.
Well the difference can be really felt.
Nice comparison. Confirms my impression.
I haven’t measured it (because I wouldn’t know how), but my feelin was that the gap must be way more than nominative 50% on the force. Even if you dial the settings to mid level on 8nm, the sensation is way more intense than on 5nm at the very high settings. It felt a bit like an artificial naming for me…
I moved to the GT DD over the T-GT because I can use it on PS5 and Xbox (different wheel rim necessary vs GT DD Pro pack). At the 5nm level, I would have switched back to T-GT.
The other vendors split their products by console. Hence you need to change wheelbases if you want to play both consoles (once the next Forza Motorsport arrives).
If you are strictly on PlayStation and especially on GTS or GT7, the T-GT is a great choice. Better choice all things considered.
For the Thrustmaster DD I am still curious when that one will come with console compatibility and how they solve the Xbox/PS topic.
It is difficult to really prove how much stronger but I really was surprised. I didnt think the difference would be soooooo obvious. Yeah, I can see people preferring the 8Nm Fanatec above the T-GT because of the compatibility.
thanks for the video. I ordered a aliexpress copy of the fanatec 8nm power supply for 40€. I'm curious how well it will work :)
It will work. Not really rocket science to make a PSU. I hope for 40€ they used some good materials. Have fun friend and if you remember, let me know how it goes
8nm simply provide more strength or actually provide more details that helps performance and consistency? If I am happy with the “comfort” 5nm mode but do want to have more details, should I upgrade?
Both. More power and more detail. You can usually limit the maximum torque it generates in game so that 8nm feels as "smooth" as 5Nn but still have more differentiation in the force feedback you receive. In my case, i did it at first for the more heavy steering in gt7 but in the end, the detail i got extra in beamng I really appreciate more. Should you upgrade? To be honest, in my pov, yes, but that is easy said then done because it means ofcourse another investment.
Great review, I have this GT DD pro bundle 3:08 but luckily I also bought a Fanatec McLaren GT3 wheel. The basic pedals are the first pedals I have ever had and I have nothing to compare it to, would you recommend upgrading? Thanks.
Thank you for the kind words friend. The pedals fall under the category "not bad but..." like the plastic pedal faces is something that can be better, also the lack of load-cell is meh... and you can't do really alot for adjusting it (stiffness of brake). So if you have the budget, yes, i would recommend doing an upgrade of the pedals.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thanks I will probably ugrade soon then. Also, have you noticed with the GT DD Pro that it makes a high pitch noise? Is that just for me or everyone?
@@luke8617 i didn't really experience this but it seems this could be resolved with a firmware upgrade. forum.fanatec.com/discussion/25931/csl-dd-pro-wheel-base-high-pitch-noise
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Wow that forum you linked is the same problem as me! I couldn't find anything on it so thank you! I'll try to fix it with the firmware upgrade.
I just bought the boost kit at that Black Friday 😅 $200 was so expensive for a power supply in my opinion 😅 30% discount was fair enough 😅
Exactly. If you look at a similar Dell PSU, you can buy them for 60€.
I have a question, I can buy the ready2race bundle with McLaren wheel ( just the 5nm) for €560 or I can buy it with 8nm for €660 what should I do? I have now an Logitech g29 so I really wanna and gonna upgrade but should I instantly get the 8nm?
@@danielhulsbosch i believe that for whatever driving-simulation on whatever platform, the 8Nm will give you a much better appreciation for the money you will spend rather then the 5Nm.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource okay thank you, now I have been looking and on aliexpress you can get the 8nm boost kit for €40 (for me ofc) should i consider buy that one or just spend more and be sure it’s from fanatec
How does it compare with the T-GT II? I run mine on 5 and that's enough to raise a sweat.
It does feel more powerful, but honestly imo, not in a wow degree. Not like the difference between both Fanatec DD versions.
The 5nm feels like an artificially limited product, a bit numb. When you arrive at the 8nm package, you can dial down to mid level feedback and get more feedback than high setting on 5nm. Insane. The price of the 180Watt PSU is a tragedy though.
I never felt the need for high forces, so I was driving at like 2 or 3, but then I recognized a higher resistance gives me the ability to make small steering corrections easier. Just a bit, but helpful.
I think its not at 5nm with the standard psu since its 90w...because with 180w ,thats double,they say you get 8nm...but if thisbis true than with standard psu of 90w ,logicaly,you should get around 4nm...so maybe thats why it feels so much different.
Maybe... but I believe the PSU's are standard. 45w, 90w, 180w, 270w and so on. Mathematically if only wattage would be important, you are correct of course
@@SimulatedDrivingResource i also found something interesting...for me its new because i didnt search anything about Fanatec since now.
It looks like on the wheel,in the firmware,is a low torque setting for the plastic wheels and qr's...this is for safety,as i understood,so the plastic qr or the wheel not get damaged.
Correct for podium series
pity its not available :(
It will come back.... eventually 🙄
Wouldn't the 8Nm kit be too strong for foldable cockpits like the next level racing gt lite and PlayStation challenge though. Also it depends on what settings you have set on 5he wheelbase.
Gt7 isn't a good test for force feed back either. GT7 doesn't have good ffb. You would have been better testing with other racing sims and if you can test some pc racing sims which would have much better and stronger ffb.
I have seen people use it on the foldable rigs but with reinforcements. I would recommend something more solid though. Yes, I am working on some other software but for now I have GT7. But even with GT7, you can differentiate the various hardware. I have ACC ready to test and will on a later time test the hardware on that one.
I finally got around to testing the CSL DD 5nm on Assetto Corsa after a year of only playing BeamNG. The sheer lack of anything shaking with the wheel as he's driving makes me seriously doubt the FFB strength output from the game he's playing. BeamNG prior to 2 updates ago had garbage force feedback in my opinon, but it was strong and the CSL DD wobbled the hell out of my cheap $77 folding stand. In Assetto at all default settings in-game and on the wheel my arms get exhausted after about an hour in some of the cars. In other cars they are as easy to drive all day as my real life minivan.
Why is it not for people owning a t300? you mean the 5 nm isn't for us or also the 8 nm?
For me, there are 2 important factors. Force and precision. If you upgrade from a t300 to a 5Nm direct drive, you will be amazed with the added fluetness of the drive but the change in power is underwhelming. It gives a sour taste if you spend a large sum of money just for more precission. At least it was for me. On the other hand, the 8Nm has more precision AND force. So it may cost more, but at least the sentiment feels more like a real upgrade worth its money. I hope I make a bit sense.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource After reading the t300 has ,comparable to, around 4.5 nm, and your video. I Ordered the 8nm dd pro with sportV3 pedals. Cost me 1300 euros with express delivery.... It should arrive tomorrow.
The VR2 came in today also...
I hope i'll soon forget ho much this all cost me and can enjoy everything 🤣😂😅
@@HIBaysal i so hope you used my affiliate link for fanatec 😈 Well i can guarantee you will have a very very enjoyable time friend... and yes it is expensive but from time to time, it doesnt Hurt if we allow ourselves some guilty pleasures 👍💪
@@SimulatedDrivingResource oh cr*p :(
I was too greedy to order/play I didn't look....
well, atleast you have 1 subscriber more :P
😅
Dank je wel voor de info!
@@HIBaysal dont worry about it friend. Am glad you will be enjoying the new gear soon 😎Thank you for the support. Much appreciated 👌👌👌💪👍
Interesting, I use the TX-XW which at 100 percent gives about 7 to 8 NM and it's fantastic, it's the reason I haven't went to a DD . Just don't feel the need as of yet . But great comparison! As always
There is absolutely no reason why you should. I think, and I hope noone feels offended, but that alot of people just changed because of the hype surrounding it. I mean, if you have a decent base like the TX-XW, yes there is a difference, but its not worth 850€! I am sticking with the TGT too... I like it, it is not,only powerful but also fun to drive.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Great point and mine also , what you gain for what you pay isn't justified.
I went from having the tx-xw to having the gt dd pro 8nm and I can tell you the difference is night and day! The gt dd pro has so much more detail, it’s hard to explain but the dd pro feels like you’re driving in the car whereas the tx-xw feels like you’re driving on top of it! The tx-xw has 6nm of torque which is great with most games, but you don’t get all the subtle details due to it not having the extra 2nm headroom!
It is more pure in terms of force-feedback, i agree on that.
@@greghumphrey1 Ok even if I agree , There are several Nascar cup series drivers using the TX-XW today , right now who have no issues with detail . Among them petty gms driver Eric Jones. They on always on there sims to sharpen there game . If it's a good enough servo for drivers like that it's good enough for me ! Just saying . Mike McDowell who is a great road racer , uses the TX also ! And has many wins in the sim . I just can't see how they do so well if it's inferior......Anyway , It's enough at this time for me ..The future will tell ..I do mostly stock car stuff on Iracing . For that the TX is more than enough .I am not saying I .against DD but not everyone needs that level of detail , I feel pedals are more important.
You can't barley move my wheel when you turn it up in settings on 5nm you must be on auto or copied someone's low settings even on gt7 with its low ffb you can get a very heavy wheel if that's what you like... Also you haven't even turned the settings up to 10 in game so can't be that light to drive!!
I like heavy steering, yes, but even if you hang a pack of Salt on both ends of the wheel, it wouldnt be as heavy as the 8. Yes, the FFB is on 9 and not 10 but that would hardly give a different experience. I will test the FFB again, on a different platform and game soon but for now, this is what I experienced. As for buying another rim, I would, you are absolutely right, the plastic rim they provide in the pack is light.
What are you normally racing with ?
I drove a long time with a TGT but recently put a GT DD Pro 8 so I am compatible with playstation still after changing pedals.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource You looked quite happy! Im glad for you.
@@BlakedaBull thank you friend. 💙
Why don't you try a better sim racing experience like ACC?
I will be towards the future. For now, GT7 is what I have.
@@SimulatedDrivingResource Try Raceroom
I tried Raceroom with the G27. Might try it again but i'll check ACC first.
Thank you for this video. I shared it with a few friends. They were so excited.!!! You could easily get more people watching with *promo sm*!!!
Euh.. OK thank you :)