Is Gran Turismo 7 ACTUALLY Better With the Official Wheel?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 เม.ย. 2022
- The Fanatec GT DD Pro is the official wheel of GT7. Today, we put it to the test against the Playstation 5 Dual Sense controller, to see whether it really increases both our speed and enjoyment of racing games.
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As a fan of gt series since the first game,being a wheelchair user and only able to use controllers I’ve adopted to getting very competitive time in the game.but seeing the difference and it being more immersive game play,it bothers me that it’s controller only for me.but I’m 50 now so I’ll blame my times on older eyes lol.
You can map the clutch paddles on the podium rims to be the brake and accelerator
I swear theres some wheels that have accelerator and brake paddles on the wheel
Now all I can think about is how amazing a wheelchair sim rig would be
Get this GT DD bundle and also get the McLaren GT3 rim. That rim has analogue paddles as well as the paddle shifters.
For the immersion the wheel is definitely worth it, but the same way you're used to using a controller, Ermin is used to a wheel. Take these times with a grain of salt, the controller is competitively viable in Gran Turismo.
Even on Logitech g29 difference is like between driving an RC toy car and an actual car. The fact that wheel uses both hands and feet makes it a completely different, more immersive experience.
If you can, buy a wheel 👍
Excellent comparison, as a GT DD owner you absolutely nailed it. For riding, skating or flying, leaning with sticks makes sense, but driving has always been about wheels and pedals. The fun of using hand, eye and feet co-ordination even on console to get quicker. Now with 4k and dd, it's on another level of detail.
How do you do the drift challenge with the DD, its impossible for me.
@@shant with difficulty. I'm not consistent bit managed to throw down a bronze score. Back off the ffb or it can cause wrist injuries on the kickback.
@@KemBroVids Should not be satisfied with that, we need to raise this issue to GT7 and Fanatec, so they can come up with a fix. It's not normal, i bet i can drift easier in real life.
@@shant you need full power on force feedback. Let the wheel spin and catch it like M. Drift King and you'll be fine one day...!
Just saying, It's very hard to drift when you don't have full control of your car. If you can control trail breaking like a boss, you can take it to the drift after!
Man, I bought your Systematic Mixing book long time ago. Today, I want to find a car customization game and I found your channel. At first, I see "Ermin", I immediately think that it is you because sometimes I see you play racing game on Facebook. It is great to see you are successful with your side-passion about gaming. Hope you the bests!
I've been looking for this comparison, thanks for sharing this. Can't wait to get one. Your lap times are insane!👏👏👏👏
That was my favourite licence test! I love how that car feels
2:36 as a controller user I will say that learning how to trail brake with a controller is hard, though not impossible - it just requires a ton of practice, a ton of patience and sheer adaptability.
My L2 input is pretty all or nothing tho
@@emad7229 you can work it with practice. The ps4/5 controllers are pretty sensitive to input.
I use the right Stick for the Pedal Inputs on ps4. That made braking for me like 100 times more accurate
ive had the opposite experience actually, for me its nearly impossible on a wheel to trail brake. on controller i learned what trail braking it only to realize ive done it without thinking for the longest time. not sure ill ever grasp it on wheel.
I learned how to trail break on ACC on PC which much more realistic and harder than GT7. why? because i cant get a wheel right now as i need to wait for a few things to be put in place in my life. I almost did pull the trigger on a CSL DD pro.. I will wait until xmas time to assest and get a wheel but for now i have been practising and playing on a controller and i am about at an average 5-6 seconds slower per lap vs a average racer on a wheel setup.
What a great video and amazing idea for comparation. I had pretty much the same experience between the controller and the wheel.
Great great great comparison, I have been waiting for this vid of yours for weeks (since you first mentioned doing it). I just go my GT DD bundle in the mail last Friday. I havew been building my F-GT elite this week after work. Can't wait to finally play it this weekend. Spent a for more dollars getting the PS5 compatibility, glad it looks like that was the right choice.
A much more informative video than I expected. Definitely keeping an eye on this guy's channel.
The controller definitely has its place, however after owning both the Logitech G923 and my current DD pro. The “wheel” option totally transforms the experience 100x over.
Absolutly
Been playing racing games on controller since childhood. Recently picked up a g29 and had it only for a few days before pulling the trigger on a fanatec dd. Steering wheels are massively more fun than controller. And yes, you will be better with a wheel. I’ll never go back! Loving the content Ermin.
Playing with both I can say that you can be as fast with the controller.
what are your thoughts on the G29?, i wanna pull the trigger and sink myself into the sim racing for the first time, and i'm saving money for a G29/G920 (the one that's cheaper at the moment)
@@itsdokko2990 if you want to play GT you have to for a G29
@@itsdokko2990 I bought a G29 couple years, had it for a week before moving to a CSL Elite lol. I knew wheel was for me and the G29 wasn't cutting it, granted the CSL is quite a bit more expensive
@@thegodlylucifer7198
i don't have a PS4/5, i play on PC, so i guess Asetto Corsa will have to cut it, also BeamNG and Forza
For the controller people that enjoy racing games but dont own a wheel. I can tell you i went from a occasional racing game playing to almost exclusively simracing after getting a wheel. Got a g923 as my first wheel but found myself wanting more. Got the csl DD and its a addiction now😂. Lots of fun , highly recommended it. If anyone lives near a microcenter in the US they have a sim rig set up you can tryout but it is pretty high-end..like 10k worth of gear lol
Classic story of picking up a very expensive addiction. I'm at the first wheel stage and I'm already craving more.
Same lol
I spent the first ~40hrs of my GT7 play time on the Dual Sense controller before making the shift to the Fanatec CSL DD (now with about 30~40 hrs of use) and have generally liked the move to a wheel and pedal setup after playing racing games on controllers for the better part of the last 20 yrs. If I were to compare my times between a controller and the wheel/pedal combo I feel that they are fairly similar still, but I prefer the controller for the dirt/rally stages given the wonky GT physics engine. The only complaint I have so far is that in game menu navigation on the PS5 with the CSL DD Wheel is very slow so I keep a controller to hand for that.
Your story is just like mine. Controller all my life before just getting wheel not long ago. Motion steering on this game is actually really good. I went with t300 and its perfect for navigating the menus
Same with me, but i’m getting better and better, and it’s more fun. Also being faster now. You need to get to 200hours playtime to see that you will never play race sims with a controller.
Oh I have no doubt that increased playtime will see a net improvement in times. I have not spent much time yet on PC sims, but that's just also down to the fact that I have been enjoying GT7 a bunch and have a couple other non sim games I am stuck into like Triangle Strategy
Rally games like Dirt Rally 2 with a wheel its a different experience. When you are able to pull off a slide in a corner while being able to control the car, it just hits different
I cant afford a wheel but the DualSense is amazing in this game. You get way better feedback and input control compared to previous games. One side effect however is that I now have the hands of a T-Rex.
My 2 months old ps5 controller drifts so bad I have to fight it not to turn left. Switched sticks in settings and camera keeps moving. No settings to mitigate drift blows. I feel like I've been duped. My ps4 controllers never drift
@@baddonkey75i have one controller with drift and another with a bad R2, i found a local shop to fix the issues on both but the R2 one is persistent 😢
For cars with too much Power to Weight ratio is important to get that you should never flat out until you're at least on a high gear. Those cars have too much torque on lower gears. Also learning how to use small movements and tracing the joystick back to center instead of letting go. I still want to see this test with an experience controller player, which none of the sim guys that did those videos over the years are.
Great driving with both peripherals as seen in the times. Well done.
When I first got a wheel, I tried it out on the Crew 2, which obviously is a very easy to play arcade racer. I really noticed the difference once I tried f1 2020 with tc off like I usually run on controller. Took a lot of getting used to but with gt7 im definitely a LOT faster and smoother, but as soon as any mistakes are made on gt7 on wheel, thats it, race over. Spinning out is so hard to avoid and drifting overall feels very difficult on wheel. However on controller, adjusting to errors and the tail happy nature of the game is a lot easier imo. Drifting is a lot easier too I feel. I hit a full on 360 drift entry clip after a few tries using an rx7 drift setup on controller. Would've been impossible for me to do on wheel. But overall, wheel is a blast!
Exactly my experience. I bought my first wheel for gt7 (a g29). I could get within a second of my old times pretty much straight away but one thing that has never got easier is catching slides with the wheel. I did lap after lap of different tracks with both methods and although I could have similar times on wheel, I could push harder, easier on controller, knowing that if the back end steps out I would catch it easily. Whenever the back end steps out on wheel, 9 out of 10 times it's over.
Nice vid! Cool what the controller can do
I’d like a drifting tutorial because it feels wonky with the wheel
Excellent video mate, thanks for the upload 👍👍👍
Is it me or this guy reminds of Bear Grills voice time to time in this video?
Great video btw.
I've also find out that some car tunes I've made works flawlessly with a wheel but are "too understeery" and absolutely undriveable with a controller. Ive managed to make 1'20'' on the deep forest raceway with a tuned r33 but i cant ever do past 1'25'' with a controller.. this to say that wheel is somehow more forgiving when it's about understeer and keeps the car way more stable doing so.
I got a t300rs gt recently but motion steering on the dualsense in this game is phenomenal and was my go to up until. Do yourself a favor and try it if you haven't. Be gentle lay the controller flat preferably with some kind of arm rest or your lap. Give yourself 15 min or so and watch how much fun you'll have. Heck put it in cockpit view and with the hands matching your tilt it immerses you even further
I absolutely agree!! I had no clue it was that immerse I literally fly thur tracks n the response It's absolutely perfect!
I know controller guys that are nearly World class with a controller and some that are as fast with wheels. I am much slower, but never learned to drive with a controller. I really enjoy using my Fanatec CSL Elite withV3 Inverted pedals and the Brake kit. Nerve damage from my military service and the resulting meds make me much slower, but I have a lot of fun. They really need to work on this game still. The Multiplayer Lobby is a hot mess. Not being able to change anything as a host is terrible. Except kicking miscreants, which is great. Having to do single race over and over sucks. We are doing 20 to 30 minute races because it is better than nothing. That is what they need to work on.
4:40 your going straight to hell for that one bud
fun video. slightly floored by the fact we've all seen you drive for years. like comparing pad with MK hahaha.
Man, a smile on your face just says one thing - ''give me that wheel!''
This isn't the question you should ask at all
1. Are you a casual racer or an active sim enthusiast?
2. How often do you, or are able to race and practice?
3. How much space do you have
4. Finances?
If you are someone that wants to sim race but you don't have much time, save the time, hassle and expense, because using a wheel is like starting from scratch if you want too be fast, if you race only a few hours a week, stick to controller, especially with how much you feel on the PS5 controller.
Space, it is so important. I got a Thrustmaster, racing seat and frame years ago when PCars 1 was new, and the space it took up was huge! Even using a wheel clamped to a desk and pedals, you still need to be able too fix it in place, and have room.
Finances...... Now when i got the Thrustmaster wheel, T3PA Pedals and seat/frame... it was upward of £600.
Things are a lot more expensive.
IF you have the cash, IF you have the time, IF you have the space and IF you race hours and hours a week, then yeah... a wheel is immersive, fun and carries with it a level of realism, if not.... Stick too the controller because as much fun as a wheel is, it is also a ball ache.
Agreed I just sent a G29 back due to all the things you said AND I was consistently faster on roller lol
Took me a few tries on controller doing the licenses for my friend but that test didn't take too long, I continued to put my power down on the edge of grip forcing it to rotate along the turn and carrying enough speed. Currently stuck on the Porsche 917 at Spa...that test is evil
Oh I know, I struggled with it for a bit because I couldn't put a Lap together. The First Lap I put together was Gold
I've been enjoying this ever since I got my ps5
I actually like the gyro controls a lot....To me it's a lot more immersive and accurate than using stick.
Ayy man, love the vids. Why dont you try doing Formula 1 races in BEAMNG. I would love to see it
Played for years with a controller. Bought the CSL Elite set up just for GT7 and it's worth the money. Great times.
I prefer to use the right stick for throttle/brake, been doing it since GT3 and it feels weird to use the triggers.
Your right about hurling the AMG into corners. It begs you to throw it into the turns harder than you think it can take. It's one of my favorite cars.
Nice Video. Thy. Would u share youre DD Pro Settings? Greetings from Germany
At last an up to date video on which is faster, the BIG question answered...✊🏻
The first time I was rear end bumped through a turn w a G923, it was cathartic. IT FELT REAL! I CANT drive another sim w a controller now. Would love to add yaw motion in my seat some day.
Dude I struggled more with sector 1 of the circuit experience but that’s just me and the drifting in the licences. However got the golds so all happy.
Is there any way to know weather the top time drivers are using a wheel or controller? They should put an input icon next to the top 10 times.
I used to have the Thrustmaster T500rs for GT6 and it felt like i was really driving the car.
I find the steering sensitivity setting a little difficult to get right for pad play on 7. on sport I just had it set to maximum. I’m around 2-3 on this game.
I just finally passed that last night after days of on and off trying with a 57:701.
Great video man! Are you using manual transmission?
It’s interesting raceroom ffb got updated to be close to gt7 a while before it came out I think raceroom may have been in alpha test or some
Thing as they both do events in the same
Building alot
This video really needed a control sample on the controller, considering you usually drive on a wheel. Starting on the controller and then going to the wheel was always gonna lend itself to faster times on the wheel. I'm a Gran Turismo 'Alien', and always used controller out of convenience, and it's completely fine. GT7 has some quirks, but in GTS the controller was generally competitive in outright laptime compared to the wheel. The main downside to controllers is exaggerated tire wear in cars with medium to low downforce. In GT7 there does seem to be a sizeable performance gap in very specific contexts - the R92CP License at Le Mans comes to mind, where the wheel is about 2 seconds faster. But in most situations the controller is competitively viable, albeit less immersive and fun. Certainly, if the only goal is to be faster, buying a wheel is not worth it.
get a wheel
@@EazyDuz18 I have one.
@@EazyDuz18 I have both as well, and he's right.
@@phase_1471 which 1?
@@ApexCris which 1
I recently went from controller to a 923. I dont know if it's because I cheaped out, but I've been struggling to get back to my controller pace. I was on top split 2 weeks ago and have now fell quite a bit with the wheel.
I don’t think getting a wheel will necessarily make everyone faster. I’ll stick the the PS5 controller for now. Just got my PS5 but I’m not paying $70 for Gran Turismo 7… I’ll wait until they fix the game because it shouldn’t have been released in this state IMO. They ruined a legendary game with micro transactions and for what they’re asking I’ll stick with GT Sport because it has much better online multiplayer and the BOP actually works
Metal QR will also make your DD pro feel a lot better too. Worth the money.
What's the main advantage of the metal quick release?
I love having a wheel. really makes the game that much better.
I use the CSL DD and the V3 pedals on ps4 but I'm still so curious how those adaptive triggers feel on the ps5 controller. Funny how that works out lol
the haptic triggers are crazy. especially for the brakes, you can feel pretty much exactly where they are going to lock up, and it makes trail braking effortless imo. throttle also helps a lot, I'm able to drive on TC1 the majority of the time with very little slippage, even TC0 depending on the car.
Honestly it sucks, makes the break trigger hard to press. It’s annoying/tiring after a few races.
I've been playing GT7 since it came out, and me being a, let's say, season player since GT1, I've been racing with a controller all my life. For me, racing with a rig, in my mind would only affect a little bit, nothing much.
But now, after seeing this video, I understand why I always trail behind 1/1.5 seconds of the fastest times in the week events.
I need a t shert that reads “if only I had a load cell”
What is your Gt dd pro settings?
For whatever reason on wider turns faster tracks I can be faster, and put the car where I need to. On close hair pins turns I can do good but not as good as the controller. Maybe I just need adapting haha
May I ask the name of the mounting brackets (red) you have on your DD pro wheel. Would be interested in picking up a set.
Looks like a next level racing rig
Ermin, thank you for another great vid! How does the G29 compare? Is it closer to the controller or to the DD wheel? For both the time and enjoyment.
I last had a G27, and would personally stick with the Dual Sense controller until stepping up to something at least belt-driven like a T300 for both enjoyment and performance. The Logitech gear is neither fun nor reliable, in my experience.
G29 is better than a controller for sure.
@@Ermz Thank you for your insight. It was very helpful!
Let's see you drive that C7 Corvette ZR1 around Watkins Glen if you can make that happen cuz I think you're an awesome driver
Can you please share your wheel and in game settings ?! Many many thanks !
keep making gt7 content i more !
didnt have issues with this one on controller, but s-7 (f1 car @ Laguna) is kicking my ass. barely managed silver to this point.
I usually push the left analogue forwards and use the roundness To be smooth.... But Nothing beats a direct drive wheel
I love sim racing
I used both streering wheel and pad
My wife bought me a Steering wheel for Chrismas and my mate gave me a rack total game changer if you like GT7 with the pad you will go crazy with a steel wheel its a must buy x
Is it just me or is your vocal audio clipping and crackling super bad? Seemed to only be in the beginning of the video but it happened at other parts as well. Anyways thanks for the content, always love it thank you.
Edit: sorry it was just TH-cam glitching out lol youre all good
Its a lot easier to be consistent and faster with a wheel the a controller, especially when you have a car that you can drive without TCS.
Force feeback Input is the difference, having to visually and through sound control grip through a corner is a lot tougher then actually feeling it in the wheel.
I struggled with that same licence. Managed to get gold with my G29 using no assist.
If this came to PC…..I would play it everyday! Sony! Bring it to PC please!!!! Thanx Ermin for the great content!!!
Does anyone know how to navigate the car description in your garage with the GT DD Pro? When it tells you to scroll down on the longer descriptions, I can't seem to figure out how with the wheel.
The IA-10 test was hard, but absolutely doable with a controller... I really struggled with S-10, but I almost gave up on Circuit Experience Nordschleife... although the Nordschleife is my bread and butter, it's only 1 hour away from me and now that I have a driving license and a car, I'll definitely will take it for a spin on the green hell one day.
The little VW up! only has 59 bhp, so it's definitely not going to be a blatantly fast lap.
you can drive in the green hell, it doesnt matter if you drive the up or a bike ,enjoy!!!! im from south america , so gt7 is the only way i can drive it
I wonder about the lap differences with just different point of views.
well, I got my first wheel recently, so I can say:
A wheel is way more fun than the controller, immediately.
BUT: its not necessarily faster if you haven't trained with a wheel. You need to take your time and get used to the wheel to be better with the wheel. You won't be fast out of the box with the Wheel!
Also you need to find your Position and take your time with setting up the wheel too...
I agree I definitly wasn't as fast with a wheel but after getting used to the wheel i'm faster and it's 100x more enjoyable
I have another problem.. because the triggers always give back pressure my hands are way faster fatigued.. so it is really really hard to stay consistent and precise
I finished all licenses to gold on controller…. some of them were extremely hard!!
I would say not much, until PD fixes quite nonexistent ff. Gt sport was not perfect, but far better. It´s no AC but damn, if they cooperate with Fanatec to bring dd wheel, one would suggest they improve ff along with it.
Wheel and Pedals take a while to tune in. I got mine stuff to play gt sport. But it never really clicked. But then I got a set of clubsport pedals and spent the time to set adjustments. Yes stiff brake is way better. I've been using my setup for about a year and I now I play gt7 and everything is better.
The biggest advantage for the wheel in gt7/sport is better tire wear. Over a long distance race the controller rips up the front tires and just can't compete with a wheel user.
This is the problem I'm having as well as understeer. I've had a g29 but gave it away to a kid In need. I find I'm 2sec of the top split A+ drivers because I'm on controller.
@@Wiiillllson151 A simple tweak of the wear rate for controller users would balance it out, but it seems like they made it this way on purpose. Maybe they feel like they get more "sim" credit by nerfing the controller performance.
IMO the real challenge for controller players is circuit experience at Le Mans - sector 5, especially if you want to flat out the whole high speed sections
Came here to say this. I've gotten gold on every single license test without much issue and I'm getting close to finishing all golds on the circuit experiences, also without much issue (including the Nurb). However, that final sector of Le Mans seems absolutely impossible with a controller.
@@kingcars it's possible, you can check my uploaded videos.
But it requires very sensitive control and lots, lots of spinning XD
I wonder if you could make a controller with load cell triggers, the pedals make more difference than the wheel I think
Maybe? Would be easier on a ps4 controller because it doesn't have motorized triggers. Check out a teardown video on the dualsense!
load cell is essential
I've used motion controls since GT Sport. The gyro in the dualsense is way more precise and sensitive than the old Wiimote gyros!
A wheel is better but so expensive, gyro sensor is the cheapest solution
I've always just dismissed it and never tried that's wild
What times do you get with TCS 0 on the DD Pro?
"IT WANTS TO BE MANHANDLED" I think my fellow Aussie is aroused by this vehicle and may even book a hotel for himself and it
my controlller my sensitivity is to the max so i have the most sensitive changes and also smooth turning
Wondering the laptimes with tilt steering.
Please share you settings for the gt dd pro?
What settings do you use? I get terrible rocking at high speed
You need a rear wing
@@THIS---GUY it's force feedback. Not mechanical. Happens on tomahawk, 919 group 1, anything that can get around 240mph+
@@Toast7 g29 user will check ffb setting when I get home. I've had the tomahawk up to like 600kmh and a camaro up to 444kmh and I didn't have that issue unless I let go of the wheel and then the rocking would start. If I kept the wheel in control the rocking wouldn't take over.
I drove it without tc on the Controller. It is manageable I did a 56.9
Thank you
The smile was bigger with the wheel and that was the most important bit.
I have the fanatec GT DD pro bundle 8nm, LC pedal, and I find it easier to play with the ps5 controller myself
Ermin...do you use the auto settings straight out of the box or did you make your own config setting?
I used Auto for a few days, then created my own, which I prefer.
I just realized you're the guy from systematic productions. my whole world is upside down.
Wait, how did you set your weight measurement unit into kgs? Mine is in lbs.
I prefer any wheels. I use a g29
Next I would like to see s-license with controller 🥳
I've done it on the PS4 with controller. Mostly Bronze with a few Silver. F1 at Laguna, (I think S-7) and the Final Test S-10 were the hardest IMO.
before I bought my first wheel I used to play with a controller for years and I thought I had gotten pretty good with it, consistency was a real issue though.. now owing a wheel for a bit over 3 months and having gotten over the ''getting used to it'' feeling my lap times have improved by seconds and consistency isn't even comparable. There isn't really any compression to be had here, sure you can have a lot of fun with a controller but I feel like almost anyone would improve with an actual ff wheel
Wheels with give you muscle memory that is beneficial for irl driving.
Does GT7 allow sim motion rig connection like for PC?
Question everyone,
I just bought a fanatec porsche wheel with the dd pro wheel base. First time with a wheel. I have a shitty rig setup using the wheelbase desk clamp. I played a tiny bit last night night before I had to get ready for work and I found it actually really hard to play. Are there any tips I should know about before I decide to say screw it and return the whole damn thing.
Im on the wheel and i suck at this license. Im going to rag it round later