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Sorry to hear that. So the issue you had were the defective buttons on the steering wheel or were there more things that didn't work? Were they not responsive? No input? Game-specific or all games? Did it work in their software? Seems odd because they replaced all electronics it seems. Sorry for the questions but it might help map out some structural issues with hardware that might help me inform other people about.

Unfortunately, there are not that many rigs that can be adapted on-the-fly between an adult and a child. If you want to start out sensible, an Oplite Nitrokart is not too expensive and is very manageable to change configuration. The problem with that one is that is very low to the ground (its a kart :)). I am not sure if that is an issue?

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thank You, The problem with the Nitrokart is not the low seat, but the fact that it hasn't a support for the gear shifter. I'm thinking about the Omega Prime Lite because of its adjustable wheel deck. I don't remember, does it have the seat sliders too?

@alessandromasiello4660 absolutely. It is a good and decent choice. If you are looking in that direction, perhaps have a look at the SimXpro GT RS. Pedal base is even more configurable. Less "on the fly" though. They also have a reclining seat with seat sliders around 200€ and decent recliner system. Also can have 6% off if you want. But if for reasons you are set on GT Omega Prime Lite, it will certainly work too

@@spaceandsky1829 the Trophy is reasonably low. It is harder to get in it but general comfort over longer sessions, the trophy is better because it supports upper legs and lower back better due to its design. That being said, RS9 is good too. I never had back pain in it either.

​@@SimulatedDrivingResourceThanks for the reply is a minefield of choices just want something for around 450 500 currently using g29 but will go dd eventually and space is important but comfort is priority have playseat evolution and have sat on more comfortable park benches gives me bad back after 20 minutes so on the fence between titan and challenge

Yes the Playseat Evo and Revo are icons but not all too comfortable. My latest video is a head to head comparison of the GTO Titan and the playseat Trophy. In the end, I would pick the Trophy for myself. It is the best Balance between comfort, configuration and footprint. It is harder to get in and out, but well, once you are in it, it just feels very supportive to the back and legs. What I already said before actually. In the end, both are decent rigs and both will make you forget the Evolution.

Photo after each recommendation and plenty of photos in the reviews itself which are all linked in the description. This is not a review but an overview. If you want to know more of certain hardware, then check out the review. Thanks for the feedback.

I read the R9 can be attached with 2 bolts which should be sufficiant. I dont have a MOZA base so cant test it out myself. I do have some crp pedals and will test them this weekend.

@@danielhulsbosch i believe that for whatever driving-simulation on whatever platform, the 8Nm will give you a much better appreciation for the money you will spend rather then the 5Nm.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource okay thank you, now I have been looking and on aliexpress you can get the 8nm boost kit for €40 (for me ofc) should i consider buy that one or just spend more and be sure it’s from fanatec

Not really. I am sure there is but I didnt expereince it to be honest. I did do the test on 5Ghz though and have ethernet now. If I have some time, I will look into it more critical

@@XxarkxX0 The steering wheel is not a TMX. A TMX has a badge on the lower central spoke if I remember correct.

@@SimulatedDrivingResourceI wasn’t saying the base.

⁠​⁠the tx wheel doesn’t have all colored buttons there black (I personally own a tx base and wheel) i know this beacuse I owned a TMX and now I have a TX

@@XxarkxX0 look up thrustmaster TX. You will find with colored buttons. TMX has badge and no switch on bottom right part. This is a TX steering wheel.

@@SimulatedDrivingResourceI own a TX lol

I tried to show it as good as I could in the video. I don't have other ways to show you the light amount of flex on the pedal plate by just filming when I drive and pointing out where the flex happens, sorry. Bof... to me it sounds like there isn't one included and that I advocate for it being included but sure, it can be a deal breaker for some if it is necessary and the extra cost adds another 50€ to the package. I could have said that it was optional but to be fair, the next chapter half a minute later explains that there is so yeah 🙄

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Yeah I'm not saying do it in another way i suggested to test until you found a point of no flex which would be great to know. I agree it should be included, but like i said someone could turn off your review before they hear you clarify later on that you can get one is what I'm saying. If it was me when you said it doesn't have one is when i would have said in the same sentence that you can get one as an add on to avoid people potentially turning off the review. What is that emoji suppose to mean are you frustrated with me?

If it can handle that buttkicker, you never know 🤭

@SimulatedDrivingResource LOL. The buttkicker is low and on the shifter bar. You know the weakest point on the art is the base holder.

Absolutely but well, we will see. I have no doubt it will shake a bit but the question is, will it bother you eh. Might be ok. When is the R9 due?

Absolutely. The arrival of MOZA, Cammus and Simagic have opened up the market significantly.

Normally not. If you test the HF8 in simhub? It works? Did you start a race?

@@SimulatedDrivingResource thanks. You have to make sure the hf8 software is not open . I closed it and it worked awesome

@@MadDadVR glad to hear it friend and thanks for adding the resolution. It can help others 💙 enjoy the drive

My favorite wheelbase for playing Gran Turismo on PS5 is still the TGT. Yes direct drive is a bit smoother, but because TGT is already a very good base, the difference, especially on Playstation, is not so big. If you would play on PC, I would say buy direct drive, but for Playstation, coming from G29,.you will be very happy with the difference. Just try to buy second hand for cheaper price. I made a video long time ago between tgt and fanatec dd on PS. Perhaps it can help you th-cam.com/video/aReevx20inM/w-d-xo.html

​@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thanks for kind answer, smoother wheel it's not like driving real car without vibration I don't it, these like driving a toy car, because real car every road have different vibration on wheel. I change my mind after watch your video, I choose TGT2 with shifter TH8A this better option I think, because I want special detail in GT7. Good video mate 👍

That is my main problem with most direct drives. You dont "feel" the shifting or revving. They are too focussed on smoothness and details of the road. I am glad I could help. Enjoy the drive friend 💙

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thank you mate for honest review, have good day

I believe that one can only be fixed by a clamp but this should work yes

Where I get all my hardware. Second hand market.

whats the difference between v1, v2 and v3? tks

The PSU has less output and different plug. The design has been altered (it got shorter and all attachment points are cut out instead of just 2). More of the internal Electronic components are moved to the sides. Simagic claims there is No difference in driving sensation.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource sry I didn't understood, are you talking about v1, v2 or v3? tks

V1 -> V3

Потому что мой родной язык для остального мира звучит как русский. Английский язык является широко распространенным языком в мире. Я могу попробовать китайский, но мне придется ходить в школу еще несколько лет.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource так делай на русском с субтитрами для иностранцев

Тогда я должен сначала выучить русский язык, товарищ ;)

No I dont. This saturday I will bring out a vs video between this and the Titan. Test-pedals will be the v3 pedals and footage of it under load will be included.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource awesome! Would love to see a camera test to find where perceivable flex begins. To find the threshold of where there is no flex. Would be cool if that was done too for Nm of force feedback. Because Will from Boosted Media displayed the flex but never said how much force he used and if he found a point of no flex. I asked him and no reply, he's usually good with replies. Because I talk to others that have the rig and they say there is no flex which i know is bullshit because i've seen it. They can't feel it but it is definitely there.

I wouldnt advise this one. The pedal plate is too flimsy.

Yeah completely understand. Some people find it pollution of force-feedback and I can understand the reasoning for it.

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@@THESHADOW97139 😁

I didnt use the software of the BK really.. have everything configured in Simhub but I take it with the BK software, its more simple and you have more preconfigured templates for games.

Yeah TM DD for console.... its coming 🙄 some time... somewhere.... 😏

you really thin logitech is best sim experience ? wtf clown haha it's the worst scam ever ... moza ,fanatec,asetek,simucube ? lol logitech is garbage

Can you compare them more deeply?? I'm starting to believe that between TGT2 and Fanatec 8 nm (given the risks in buying Fanatec) it would be better to take a thrustmaster

That’s heavily depending on your plans. If you are only playing GT7 (as GTS is dead), the T-GT is a very solid choice. The wheel rim is better than the GT DD Pro standard one. If you want variety, the ecosystem on Fanatec is bigger. The Loadcell pedals for Thrustmaster are a complete replacement, while the CSL loadcell can be added to the standard pedal set. The T-DFB is nice, I missed it when I transitioned to Fanatec. But then I stopped playing GT7, and on ACC it wouldn’t have been available anyhow. I changed the wheel to a McLaren GT3 one. The additional width feels nice. I have hardly ever used the GT DD wheel since I have the McLaren one.

@@THESHADOW97139 I dont think there is any risk buying Fanatec .No one will let them go under .This great channel has reviewed them both btw

@@marcianzero_yt Only on PC. I am mainly looking to measure the difference in terms of feeling, between its thrust base and logitech

You will have to elaborate. The transducer is solely supported by GTS and GT7 as explained in the video. How do you make it work on any other game?

A good friend of mine is a technician working mainly with consoles and games l don't know what he did to my console but he had it in pieces when I saw it lol but is very good at what he does 🙂👍

@@marcianzero_yt you can actually define it on Simhub as basshaker on PC if you put it on gt mode but then your wheel wont work. All the searches I have done sugest its not possible to use the transducer so I am curious too.

@@garryburns6659 This story is....complicated 🤔 In a simulation, the game must transmit the information at the right time and with a given force... it is not hardware, but software....

Well, your struggle is real. Your videos are the only ones that always force the closed caption on for me and I have to manually deselect it. One click saved for this video. ;)

@@marcianzero_yt 😒 so what you are saying is: drop the subtitles

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Nah. I won’t need them, but I am perhaps not representative of the audience. I was more thinking: While you are fiddling with the subtitles, have a look at the options for setting them up. ;)

No subtitle under this video?? CC will not work??

@@THESHADOW97139 fixed. Them. Auto-sync didnt work. Spent 2 hours now syncing it manually. Should work now

100% GT RS

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thanks for answer! The X80 is a bit larger as I can see from the specs. What are the advantages of the GT-RS?

Both pedalbase holder and wheelbase holder are an upgrade for stability and configuration compared to the X80

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thanks again for the help! Im really confused now, since both are looking great!

In the end you decide ofcourse. I can only give you my opinion. The GT RS is just better designed. Its my fav out there atm th-cam.com/video/NdWtYy5JkIg/w-d-xo.html. Only thing what can make it less suitable are the vertical beams if you have a very low wheelbase like a Cammus C5 or C12. All the rest of common wheelbases fit fine

Thank you 😎

If it costs 100$ is unclear but what is clear to me is that they are misleading the customers with this rig. Its common I guess for companies to do this but the audacity to ask that sum for this hardware with these specs is mind-blowing. I am glad you reconsidered on the purchase.

Thats a bit of an issue when you have a limited force feedback strength and the major reason why people upgrade. While the T128 is very good to get a "taste" of sim-racing for a limited budget, the difference with the more higher end bases is significant due to the differentiation in force feedback.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource I will try to jump to moza in about 3 years. I know it won't make me a super pilot but I don't plan on having kids or dating, so for me it's perfect haha

@@abakt practice makes perfect my friend. But just dont forget to enjoy it too. 💙

Enjoy the drive friend.💙

I have not played with the C5 for a long time but I have been using the C12 a lot which is when it comes to details about the same as C5. The Simagic manages to let you feel just a bit more. Both let you feel the details but the Simagic really can make you feel more. I would say that if there is a bump in the track of 1cm and 1.5cm, Simagic will be able to make you feel a difference where it would feel similar in the C5. Its in the small details that you really feel the difference. Its hard to grade these wheelbases as there are a lot of variables in it. I am a driver, not a racer. I would rather buy a C5 with some sort of haptics like an HF8 which would cost me less than a full Simagic setup. But then there is the eco-system aspect, the quality aspect (shifters of C5 are a bit less), the software... allez... its just too hard to grade them. Its like I say at the end. Do you want a Porsche or is the Volkswagen enough for you. Both are good cars, one is just a bit better but also costs a lot more.

​@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thx for fast answer. I think it helps. The c5 is a very good option for me!

The C5 is a wheelbase suitable for a lot of people. We have seen a race the last years for affordable direct drives which is a main variable for a lot of people. Cammus with the C5 is at this moment really the cheapest which offers already a very pleasurable experience.

Any wheelbase apart from a Thrustmaster T128 will be an upgrade to be fair 🙄 i dont have too much love for the g29

This has been interesting information. I adapted the thumb and titles. Thank you for bringing this to my attention! I did not realize there was such a difference. I just now quickly read into this and the difference seems to be mainly the housing, formfactor a bit different and another less heavy PSU. There is also the performance part. I wonder if they changed the motor but didn't find any information about this or if this is simply software changes. If you would encounter some extra information, I would love to hear. Again thank you! Unfortunately I can't help you with the predicament you are in... it seems I have reviewed either of them atm 🤭 Source changes: www.reddit.com/r/Simagic/comments/1crd241/update_alpha_mini_v1_vs_v3/#:~:text=The%20v1%20is%20longer%20heavier,upstructed%20by%20the%20body%20itself.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource I would like to know if the difference is so noticeable, but we can just take some users posts on Reddit or comments that compared the v1 and v3. Or compared the Alpha Mini v3 with the Moza R9 strength or R12. Some like more the Simagic (really good servo motor) and some notice a Nm downgrade. That reddit post was shared on “Simagic Official owners and fan Group” facebook group and Simagic Official replied: “Alright time for us to come in here. Our v3 isn't a downgrade at all, and we'd like to clarify our official listings have never listed Mini as a 13nm. We have made improvements and development changes to the motor over time, in v1 the symmetrical aspect of the motor was from left to right, it's now up and down. We have also changed the power supply, opting for a newer, high efficiency gallium nitride solution that has longer life. None of these changes impact the driving feel, but they do reduce the damage rate during production and further improve the service life. So... is that clear enough?” facebook.com/groups/Simagicofficial/permalink/1568923663670738/ Very political answer that the product is more polished, but the Alpha Mini has an incredible reputation by many famous reviewers (some collaborations with Simagic) and the conclusion of all of the reviews is that the Alpha Mini (v1) is the best mid-tier DD base because has 13nm peak and competes with Moza R12 and Asetek La Prima on strength. They profit with this amazing marketing, but we don’t know if that is actually true now and it’s obvious no company will admit it. I don’t hate a downgrade, I hate the lack of information to purchase a product that was said at many reviews with collaborations that is so good as 13nm bases. If Simagic comments on the 10 o 13nm peak people will buy happily the Alpha if they want more Nm.

This is a claim that has no basis. The Mini v3 has the same power. This is a lie and this guy has no evidence. He is spreading total crap

I am waiting for my v3 and also got a bit disappointed while reading about the lack of nm on the v3. But I think that many TH-camr reviewing the v1 also hyped the feeling and quality of the ffb and not just its strength. I still believe that the v3 will be excellent and I am looking forward to it. And on the other hand everybody will be happy when their wheelbase works for many years instead of a breakdown. I believe they improved their product with the v3. Everything else wouldn’t make much sense.

@@Thorkell_Joms understood. But in a way they admit it is not as powerful any more in their post. The question is ofcourse in what degree and does it affect other things. Basically the question you have. I will not be able to help with that. I dont mind investing in hardware to help out our community but it would be nice if the community helps out small content creators too with using their affiliate links. People tend to think all reviewers just get free stuff while it is just only the lucky few. I will be on the lookout for a v3 and will sell a few other pieces of hardware if I find one at the right price but I am afraid that by the time I find one, you will have already made your decission or a v4 will have been introduced. Thanks again for taking the time for giving the feedback. I, and people watching this review, can all benefit from it.

I bought it second hand so dont know. However, in the past when I bought from China, i paid shipping up front and then after I received a message from the carrier when it arrived in BE to pay x € for import tax. I would ask in advance before you buy via them if there is the extra cost unless someone of the viewers here can answer.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thx. Those import taxes could sometimes be unreasonable high. I will avoid and try to buy the set via a local retailer. Grt

Absolutely. Normally prices from local retailers "should" be around the same price. You will however know precisely what the price is. 👍

Plastic

James May navigational skills are even better than mine but yes, Monza is one of the more easy to remember for my emmenthal brain so I could put them off.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource yeah because in all honesty when I see someone with the lines on what that tells me is, this person is a rookie and doesn't know how to drive. And when you have a page like this, you're giving mixed signals. It makes me think, does this guy know what he's talking about or does he not know what he's talking about? Even if it's a track I don't know eventually after a few laps I start to get the hang of it. I like you, we've had good back in forths in the past but I really don't think driving with the lines on is going to be helping this channel. It's sending the wrong message, it's a visual contradiction.

You are....100%..... right. It doesn't look professional and I hadn't even thought of it that way. Next versus video with the Alpha Mini, I'll keep them off. Not sure what the effect will be though... trying to talk and make sense in English, pay attention to what you feel exactly and pay attention to the circuit is harder than it looks. Thank you for the feedback, it is always a pleasure to read constructive criticism like this.

​@@SimulatedDrivingResource you're welcome, thanks for receiving it well. I understand it is more of a challenge to hit your braking markers and apex's when you are talking. The only other issue I had was at the end you said you didn't want to say it was the best even though that's what you think. I think just give your honest opinion based on your experience that's what I want to hear. And you said the best wheel base is what we think simulated driving should feel like. I would agree if the people know what they are talking about, but not everybody does. We all know Simucube is the best and it looks like the best bang for your buck is Simagic. I think if you said Simagic Alpha mini is the best wheel base bang for your buck, you are confirming what's already been confirmed, which solidifies the legitimacy of the review in my opinion. Because that is the general consensus. Thanks for making a review on this wheel base, it's good to see it's still the king.

@@TheDoctor46vr Sure, on a technical point of view, it is very likely the best I have driven so far.... likely because I didn't to a vs yet. The detail is amazing, as is the return to center and so many other things. That is said in part 1 of the conclusion, the technical reviewer. Part 2 is me saying that while technically it may be the best, it's not the best bang for everyone. If you have a person driving ETS, wants really a big wheel with a lot of buttons and a big ass butt shaker under his chair. Do you really recommend a Simagic Alpha Mini?? Allez, I see your point, but I think that how I said it makes the most sense to me and makes the message I want to transfer clear.

That should have been included in the review but I forgot 🙄. Pedals are from the first slot where you can attach the profiles 34 cm to the tip with a total length of 47 cm. They are 42cm wide. Base profiles are 96cm.

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thanks a lot, you're giving way more information than the SimXpro website. 😃 Cheers and thanks for the fast reply.

Absolutely. You would need to attach the pedal base to the vertical profiles then to get them up and this is possible with the design of their pedalbase holder

An expensive quack this one 🤭

@SimulatedDrivingResource I believe I have one of their wheels. It's either sim motion or sim magic. It fits the moza. No buttons, though. Can't use it in vr.

@@PJDobbs yeah the qr is the same I think. Not cheap though their wheels 😕

@@SimulatedDrivingResource It was a generic one. Just the wheel. Under $100.00. I think around$70.00

I cant tell you how much. Didnt experience issues but I can tell you it looks werker than it actually is

You think it would handle 200kg?

No. Its still a foldable system and is not designed for such braking forces.

Hmmm... but still no power button on the base I presume 🤭

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Nope, still on the cord.

How is the strength? I head it was reduced in the latest version.

@@michaellucas5859 I never used the older firmware to compare it to, but feels plenty strong to me coming from a CSL DD 8 Nm.

Good service of the reseller. And aside from feeling the types, I bet alot more detail for the rest too. Absolutely love the amount of detail they manage to squeeze out of that motor. Enjoy the ride 💙

Everyone has the right to their opinion as long as it is kept civil and when preferably also with some content, you wont be blocked. As I said before, its hard for me to comment on it as I still need to test it before I can really give my opinion.

I can absolutely relate to that. While the upgrade from Lets say gear driven to direct drive is phenomenal, the difference between the direct drives are a lot less (in comparison with price). Nonetheless, the service is also very important and while I still think that a lot of the Fanatec-is-bad news is exaggerated, their SAV is as disorganised as it can be, that is a fact.

Sure. A dedicated Device is always a plus but would be nice to have implemented compatibility from Simagic itself. An emulation, no matter how Well it is written is still an emulation based on other hardware that is compatible. But I should test it to really be able to comment on it, that is sure. Thanks for the informative feedback friend

@@SimulatedDrivingResource of course. The impediment is not tech but licensing from Sony. So it's on Sony really.

Absolutely. I forgot to mention there is like some of breaker switch on the power cable itself but indeed strange of the power button. Yeah I agree... i should really test them but yeah is also difficult to test since ffb on console is also implemented different. But between us, for me it is still no match for the G Pro 😎

Unfortunately I sold my T818 and some other things to buy this so wont be able to compare it with that one. Got lucky second hand though. Good price. Perhaps if you see a to good deal to pass up, you can 😏