That's why I'm a fan of Jan Ullrich. He certainly used doping but he treated his teammates well and remained a humble person throughout his sporting career. I don't think any of Ullrich's ex-teammates would speak so negatively about him!!!
Phil I agree- Floyd is not the best at doing interviews but he does seem very straight forward and not full of shit. Even if he got to a point where he was looking after number one by coming clean ( as Brett Connor says below I just noticed) he's always seemed Blunt and honest so I have to admire him for that if nothing else.
Calamari Chris funnily enough I was going to say earlier that I've always had the feeling it's mostly Lance Lovers that trash Landis. Landis is no saint of course, but I never understood why anyone would love Armstrong so much- I always knew he was on the gear it SHOULD have been obvious to anyone who races at even a low amateur level. Even purely from a cycling entertainment point of view- as brilliant as Armstrong was (within the context of drug assisted performance) why did people enjoy watching a robotic domination of the race for all those years? as Boring as watching Sampras dominate Wimbledon and Schumacher Formula one. Ullrich, for example, was at least much more human, fallible and likeable.
I’ve had the pleasure of running into Floyd a few times on different occasions while cycling out in the Temecula/Fallbrook areas of Southern California. It was about 8 years ago during his time with the Ouch cycling team and he was a real class act, I mean just as nice as it gets. During a training ride in Temecula he stopped to allow me to grab a photo with him and we chatted for about 5 minutes, on abother occasion he recalled me at a gas station when I said Hello to him and he took a pic with my son, but on a ride in Fallbrook, a tough hilly area, this was the first time I interacted with him, he rode next to me and motivated me to a top of a pretty good climb, I was a newbie at this point, but he flagged his sag vehicle up to us and told me and my friend to have a great ride and to be safe. The sag vehicled made sure we were ok in the 100 degree plus heat and fueled my friend and I with hydration, bars, and gu’s then happily departed us. I cant say how cool of a feeling that was. We all go through crap in life, but how we interact with one another will always last, which is why I have a great regard for the few times I’ve ran into Floyd. If you read this Mr Landis, thanks for the cool memories and the small talk. GODSPEED.
So many comments about Landis also being a drug cheat... ALL the Tour riders are Drug Cheats.. This is about Lance being a genuine A-hole of a human. Landis was at least a nice drug cheat
"Landis was at least a nice drug cheat" So that's ok then? Does not matter if the dude was a 'nice cheat' or a 'nasty cheat'. A cheat is a cheat: Landis is on a similar level to Armstrong.
by seeing Lance Armstrong acting in the Media I have 100% no doubt he was/is a bully. what Floyd is explaining shows a picture of a truly narcistic personality... kudos to Floyd Landis for explaining this.
It's true. Nobody who knows him as ever said anything nice about him. Actually the opposite is true. He must be a total douche bag. He seems to have no long term friends.
@@phililpb Yeah sure. But after Landis got busted Lance did'nt want him on the team anymore -which -incidentally -started the whole downfall of Lance. Lance went to USADA with all the inside knowledge he had about EPO use on the Postal team and that was the beginning of the end.
How about when he said he didn’t do any doping, did you believe him then? The man is a sellout who only went after Armstrong because he is a loser and got rejected.
I feel sorry for the people who put all that effort into succeeding, only for Lance Armstrong to end up bullying them. In my experience, all *I* have to do to get a load of verbal abuse from a cyclist is to simply go for a walk along any public footpath in Britain.
Tell me about it, British cyclists think they can do whatever they want and don't realise that on a mixed use public footpath NO ONE has right of way and that cyclists should sound their bell and slow down when approaching a pedestrian. The worst bunch are the tour de France wannabe's who have racing bikes and wear that ridiculous full lycra. Those people have serious anger management issues. Though the funniest thing I've seen where I walk were these two cyclists in full lycra, riding racing bikes that cost around £5000 each and they didn't have the fitness to ride up a tiny little hill (more of a bump) that had around 15m of elevation change. They actually had to unclip their feet and push their bikes up the hill (bump). It wasn't as if they'd been riding for miles and were exhausted either as neither of them had broken a sweat. I've seen them twice now (months apart) and they still push their expensive road bikes up the tiny little bump haha.
This is really sad. I'm a rider and always either slow down big time or say, "Thank you" repeatedly. Bikes are fast and I don't want to ruin their walk! I'm in the US though and it's usually on the streets where you have to fight back or die. lol
@@KatieCooper1990Just don’t go more than 2 people wide and we wont have a problem. And btw I hope your jogging not walking considering you’re trying to hate on others. I’d laugh if your body mass index is over 25😊
My friend gave me Lances book to read, I think it was in 2000, my friend who thought the world of Lance ask me what I thought and I said Lance seems like a very selfish person and full of himself. I never bought what he was selling because I have learned if its seems to good to be true, it probably is. I don"t have all these negative feeling like a read maybe because I always thought he was full of shit.
There's an interesting mindset amongst a lot of commenters here who feel "ratting" on Armstrong was deplorable (forgetting perhaps, that Landis and others were indemnified, to an extent, for doing so) and even that doping was alright in the greater scheme of things, because "winning is everything". Unpleasant people.
Agree 100% Makes you wonder about how they're raising their kids. "It's OK to cheat, lie, steal, ruin lives and shoot up drugs, Johnny. As long as you win a race, that's all that matters." Disgusting amoral people.
Lance for most of us it never was about the drugs. It was how you treated others. You never did admit that Betsy told the truth about the hospital room interview.
As soon as the whole doping gig started to unravel, I haven’t heard a positive thing about lance or from lance. It’s really upsetting because when I was a young kid I’d watch and idolize him. And what’s more is that it seems like the peloton he rode with agrees with Floyd’s sentiments.
@@jon4539 I’m well aware of that but that doesn’t change the fact that many other riders from his own team and competing teams all seemed to really dislike lance for reasons other than just his doping.
@@mauryeetss3561 yes this maybe true but he was a American in a french race and us postal would have never been liked , I watch Lance and hincapie in the move podcast and he comes across as a funny guy but everyone has different views on him
Lance himself would agree with Floyd now. He's come around to admit that he was an asshole and says he regrets hurting people. I think the bully inside of him will never truly leave, but at least he's aware these days he was wrong.
I turned against him years ago, maybe around his 5th win, a friend of mine stayed in the next villa to him In Mexico at new year, they were both leaving at the same time and my friend said hello or some other pleasantry and Lance just stared at him with a dirty look, sounded like a dick move.
I recall decades ago I wanted to visit Mellow Johnny's, a bike shop owned by Lance. Being a Lance follower, I admired his mindset and tenacity. One day I showed up in Texas for a College graduation party, a friend of a friend from Austin had so many negative stories about Lance. They knew Lance outside of cycling. They said he was a real jerk to everyone even in Austin. I being a fan of Lance ignore them. Years later I'm reading all these folks saying what we already knew. Im glad I never met him personally.
Bullies exist because others accept being bullied. Even though he was your captain, he was also a skinny 150 lbs cancer survivor with one nut. Nothing a real man can't handle.... using just one hand
Tyler Hamilton said he was the most "intense" rider he'd ever met, which meant that winning was everything to him, so maybe he was a bully - but Landis shouldn't complain about him (if that's what he's doing) given his own record.Lance definitely wasn't a nice guy on the tour or off. Sports (& the TDF) is full of guys like him, so you gotta figure he's just one of them. Can't argue with his greatness as a rider. (Hinault was no angel either).
What greatness as a rider. 0 Tour de France titles, 0 Olympic Golds, 0 other major Tour titles. He achieved nothing in teh sport that he hasnt been stripped of.
When you want something. You have to go and get it. It doesn’t matter what the price might be. You know how many have not or has not been caught yet? Because nobody wants to go back and investigate the other nice guys 🙏👍
There are current calls to have Lance Armstrong “come in from the cold”, as if the drug cheating was the only thing he did wrong, ignoring the lying, corruption, bullying etc. the answer is NO, he should never be “rehabilitated”. It would be good if people stopped discussing him, so that he just faded from memory. One of the justified uses of cancel culture. And a suitable way to deal with narcissists
lol “one of the justified uses of cancel culture”? aka he’s someone you dont like. nice. this whole comment section is a witch hunt on lance armstrong, spurred by Landis (the guy that got caught and then snitched when armstrong wouldnt let him rejoin his team) talking bad about the guy. landis hates armstrong, and he’s a sleeze.
As soon as Armstrong’s best and most loyal friend saw a vile of steroids and asked Lance about it, Lance immediately cancelled his friend. He was dead to him immediately
@@nakedsnake6076 I apologize. It’s a magazine article I read in the 2000’s. This guy was such a close friend, his wife Kristen used to refer to him as “Husband #2”. He found a vile of EPO, asked Lance about it, and was immediately dead to Lance, cut off as his friend completely. I cannot remember the magazine, and I’ve tried Google searches to find it, but cannot. So no official source to reference
The way Landis describes Armstrong, In a long life i've witnessed a few such people like this & my interpretation of each was 'what a horrible horrible self centred & damaged individual' The wrotten truth came out about Armstrong & it's evident the people that have since bothered with him at all, are those that are of a similar guilty ilk.
I remember a track rider who had just switched to road cycling saying that he was high as a kite. On the juice, a total bellend. Brad Wiggins had a point!
Landis threatened LeMond about revealing his abuse while LeMond was encouraging, not threatening, Landis to admit his doping for his own psychological good.
LeMond is a national treasure, a true hero and a class act. He knew what was going on but was careful to not make public accusations or hurt anyone and because LA saw him as a threat anyway he ruined him financially. What a travesty.
All of the top level cycling teams had a doping program and most all the riders were on it in Lance and Floyd's days in cycling. The UCI knew it and all the Grand Tour organizers knew it and looked the other way because it made for the most incredible races and riders the sport of cycling has ever or will ever see again. Lance brought more viewers, riders, and money to cycling than anyone before or after him. If not for Lance cycling would still be an unknown sport in the US and other place in the world. Love him or hate him those are just the facts. Like Tiger in golf and Jordan in basketball all winners have a driven prickish personality. They got inside their competitors heads and crushed their will and then physically destroyed them. P.S......doping is still in cycling and sports. It's just done more carefully and on micro dosing levels. Don't kid yourself that it's disappeared.
Amen to that! Lance is a terrible human being, but I find it really funny that people seem to see Floyd as some sort of hero whistle blower now. He is the same as lance in my opinion. Not someone who should be revered at all.
I agree he put cycling on the map. I like to say that I don't care if he was high as a kite, for seven summers he gave us all a natural high. His duals in the mountains were epic. The peds gave those events an edge they don't have now. I don't take drugs but watching Lance and the others made me feel as if I were on something. So exciting! Such a spectacle! Jordan was an a hole I've heard but you couldn't take your eyes off him. Same with Tiger. Lance was PT Barnum and David Copperfield all at once. I know I got my money's worth. But it isn't too late for him to make amends to those he may have hurt. He should get some advice from Paul Finebaum. I've heard paul used to be a dick now he's a really liked and great guy!
Greg LeMond put US cycling on the map and it's not true that all teams had a program and/or most riders were in on it. Plenty of riders have testified otherwise. What gives you the right to make such a blanket statement about pro cyclists? Are you on LA's marketing team that has made up & promoted the lie "everyone was doing it" in order to justify his own behavior? If you're promoting his big lie for free then that's not a very good return on investment for your valuable time on earth.
@@pjgarcia2417 Major Taylor put cycling on the map. Study Taylor, top cyclist in the World, American. After that LeMond of course. Lance Armstrong, after LeMond. You may hate Lance, but he sold more bicycles, got more people riding, and gave hope to cancer survivors. Everything else about Lance, important, but in big picture, Lance was good for the sport.
@@joeluns74 If you just interview Lance, until he was caught. He would still be claiming he was innocent. The biggest cheat in history in any sport.He even sued people and won millions for calling him a cheat. That's why you just don't interview Lance...
Was a Landis fan in the day, the peloton knew, riders were his slaves by fealty, common in feudal systems, they were like gladiator slaves, not world class pros, it was obvious to many fans. Greg Lemond's star still shines, he brought a lot back to the sport Armstrong never will.
it's funny how L doesn't like the Lemond section and the Landis section in his ESPN doc, i hope LeMond's bicicle line still sells and by now his business came back to what it was.
I used to still admire Lance, after this series of interviews, Lance’s power went way past just doping. Intimidation, bullying, aggressive behavior to teammates. If it was just doping, fine, but he was a monster in the sport. Absolutely not as gifted as an athlete that he may come off.
I feel like all the greatest athletes of their sports have to have that unlikeable component to their personality. Brady gets psychotic about winning and berates teammates. other legendary athletes don't always necessarily seem like a super warm fuzzy person. You don't get to the top by being somebody that everybody likes. You get to the top by doing whatever the F it takes lol
@@jessecumings4134 it's not that I don't think they can be really cordial to fans and that sort of thing I just said that some component of their personality has to get there. maybe it's like Brady where he seems like a really nice guy and interviews and when he meets fans but during the game and practice he just gets ridiculously intense and will scream at you for screwing up. But you're playing with the goat and winning titles so you'll take it.
All the grears are a little fucked up in the head. Look at how intense Michael jordan was. Look at an athlete like cristino Ronaldo who's super arrogant. Floyd Mayweather, connor McGregor, even nyjah Huston.
Bradys well known for bringing team mates together. Look at AB and how fast his attitude changed even when he was with brady on the patriots. Passion for the game and hearing the tone being spoke on the field/sidelines isnt a far comparison to someone sitting in the stands or at ho.e
I dislike people saying they were bullied. Stand up for yourself or walk away. Compliance with a bully, as stated, is weakness. Continued weakness is cowardice. Cowardice has no friend.
I am intrigued by the fact that people s faces often show their characteristics. Look at Lance, there's nothing but hard rock. Floyd is expressive, soft and accommodating.
re: winning for making others lose it happens in business. some music shops will open across from a competitor and deliberately run at a loss for years, just to see if the competition will close due to profit margin losses assholes. these stores will never be loyal to the customers, unlike store owners who open for the love of the business, and want customer relationships that grow over decades, not one day sales.
My friend who worshiped Lance let me borrow his book back in 2001 and he ask me what I thought and I said " he seems like a selfish fuck". I did not get a bit inspired by his book, Lance just seemed like a very selfish person, I guess I am not alone.
So what?? Why passive-aggressively bring it to the media? This is world class competition. If a guy intimidates you, intimidate back. If he's a jerk and a bully, jerk and bully him back. Or lose and go home if you can't take it. Floyd Landis is a straight-up weak punk - a little damn girl.
I don't know Lance personally, Floyd does. Whether what he says about Armstrong is true, I can't say, but, I have followed cycling since well before Lance, and he never came across to me, as being "nice". Hincapie seems a great guy, and he's friends with Lance, so what do I know.
Floyd I totally believe in what your saying about Lance. Ever since you blew the whistle on him, and doping, I lost respect for him. he kept saying he would never, but he did, it crushed me and my love for cycling, and watching any of the TOURS, or cycling as a sport. He betrayed his team, you, the US of A, and bike racing in general. Let it go Floyd, don't let it eat you up.
No Skeptic Bee, they were not all cheaters. Some refused to cheat, never won a price. Some refused to cheat, and decided the sport in disgust. But all those where morally far above cheater Armstrong.
Very well put, Melissa. The main dilemma regarding Armstrong is whether his incredibly strong story is worth worshipping even if it´s not true. For some people it´s just unimaginable to give up their larger than life hero. And the guy will always be able to say: "I wasn ´t doing anything else than the other guys and was the best at it". It´s up to us, the public, to decide, whether we want to accept, or question such attitude.
Lance offer the first place for some TF stages to others. Also, he help one teamate in Il Giro. He does not want another TF winner candidate in the team.
Lance was a very smart guy until his own greediness got the best of him. If Lance had just given $1 or $5 million to the snitch Landis to go away, Lance would have never lost his Tour titles, and most of the world would still be believing his Cinderella story.
I wasn't believing his Cinderella story by about 2001. I don't blame Landis for being a snitch, he was harassed by Armstrong when he wanted to leave and move to another team to be GC leader himself, he was probably Armstrong's best climber along with Hamilton. He deserved the chance, but everything was all about Armstrong...he was known to harass the peloton during races it was that bad.
arkansaswookie yes the pro peloton is known for having one team only. That’s why lance won 7 years in a row, they were the only team. Complete non sense.
How could you be so blind to miss the point entirely. Did you watch the video? Nobody cares about who won or who lost, its about how bad a person Lance is.
That's true. Lance made the mistake of disrespecting Floyd, prompting Floyd to turn state's evidence which led to Lance finally admitting his drug use on Opra.
after watching all these documentaries, i think it comes down to the fact that he made a donation to UCI, that's how it started. but the timeline in many docu's is off, and it's very hard to tell stuf or follow.
lance story with cancer and coming back to cycling,got lance some sponsors these sponsors sponsored tour de france cause that's why the 1st prize was 1 million $ obviously lance got uci and tdf organizateurs in his pocket cause he bringed sponsors and people attention with his story comeback during his winning years in tdf he got positive tests which were disclosed years later also lance only competiting in tdf,ignoring complety other big races,why??? cause he didn't got in other races people in his pocket like race organizateurs,people who would take his pee sample in tdf top GC riders were caught and banned but only armstrong not,biggest armstrong opponent was jan ulrich which dopped couldn't beat armstrong and ulrich got caught twice i remember on internet during 2005-2007 was a picture where top20 GC tdf 2000 or 2001 majority of them got caught or their names were linked to a dopping scandal i started watching cycling in 1999,just coincidence,cause in summer break eurosport romania was showing tdf full stages from 12 or 1 pm to 6 pm and replaying again in the morning by year 2003 it was obvious for me that majority were doping and armstrong is a bigger fraud than ulrich romanian comentators were always talking about doping scandals,they were talking very freely about shady things happening in cycling they speak about us postal being too strong,george hincapie was no climber specialist but hincapie would relay on flat the whole stage and if at the end was a climb,still hincapie would relay dropping pure climbers obviously after some years both got removed and replaced with a guy that is npc/puppet that tells the 2nd commentator not to go deep into doping disccusions
This man made a living out of vengeance because he was refused by Lance in the Us Postal. He cheated just the same than all the rest and he wants to make himself an example of honesty. To me, one of the worst people un the world of sport
Lance just did what all of the 'Front Runners" of their teams do. Also, Lance started doping, because the Europeans were already doing if for years. Noone likes him because he was the most driven to win, and he did
Bottom line - he would have beat Floyd 7 times without PEDs. Lance goes on - has new ventures - what does Floyd, Levi, Tyler - anybody else have - today. NADA.
I agree. Landis would never have beat Lance if they both went head to head in their peak years. And you know, as long as we are talking hypotheticals, what if Lance never had cancer?
And I bet you don`t remember how shit lance was in the Tour before he decided to dope. Just looked on the UCI website, no record of a L. Armstrong or T. Hamilton winning the Tour de France
knuckle head, Lance was always doping. He won the world road race champ when he was 19. He was riding with lung cancer his last tour before his diagnosis. Again...HE WAS DOPING BEFORE THE DIAGNOSIS, and EVERYONE IN CYCLING WAS DOPING HEAVILY. WHAT IS YOUR F'ing point?
Here's the deal, lots of people are assholes to the people around them, does that excuse their behavior? No, of course not. Is it nice to be around? No. But in a lot of cases like with John Lennon, Walt Disney, Steve Jobs, and Mr. Lance Armstrong, in their personal lives, they treated people close to them like shit - but at the same time, gave so much positivity and benefits to the world. Again, does not excuse nor does it mean they are not responsible for their actions - in all cases they 100% are. But people will focus on the small number of people hurt thinking it somehow negates the billions of people's lives that over generations these individuals have helped, uplifted, inspired and enriched for the better. Now take someone like Hitler, he was said to be a very nice and giving to his family and friends and yet this in no way cancels out the atrocities he committed against the entire world. It comes down to the big picture and the overall good one gives. If you had to choose, would you rather be, 80% good and 20% asshole or 20% good and 80% asshole?
Lance was a winner. Winning means power. And power is the only thing that matters. America does not care about morality anymore. Winning is everything.
That's why I'm a fan of Jan Ullrich. He certainly used doping but he treated his teammates well and remained a humble person throughout his sporting career. I don't think any of Ullrich's ex-teammates would speak so negatively about him!!!
I would love to find that one youtube video where ulrich is chasing armstong and its set to Infusion (Legacy) - Junkie XL
Nothing really new here.
Surprised at all the comments trashing Floyd. He's mostly just saying what he saw and felt. Take it for what you may.
Phil Anderson Take your sunglasses off you look as stupid as your comment!!! Liberalism is truly a mental disorder and you proved it again!!!
Phil Anderson You're right !
Phil I agree- Floyd is not the best at doing interviews but he does seem very straight forward and not full of shit. Even if he got to a point where he was looking after number one by coming clean ( as Brett Connor says below I just noticed) he's always seemed Blunt and honest so I have to admire him for that if nothing else.
All the comments trashing Landis are clearly made by butthurt Lance fans. 8D
Calamari Chris funnily enough I was going to say earlier that I've always had the feeling it's mostly Lance Lovers that trash Landis. Landis is no saint of course, but I never understood why anyone would love Armstrong so much- I always knew he was on the gear it SHOULD have been obvious to anyone who races at even a low amateur level. Even purely from a cycling entertainment point of view- as brilliant as Armstrong was (within the context of drug assisted performance) why did people enjoy watching a robotic domination of the race for all those years? as Boring as watching Sampras dominate Wimbledon and Schumacher Formula one. Ullrich, for example, was at least much more human, fallible and likeable.
Steve Zahn as "Floyd Landis"
Yeah right!
Glad that I searched the comments. So true. That thing you do!
I’ve had the pleasure of running into Floyd a few times on different occasions while cycling out in the Temecula/Fallbrook areas of Southern California. It was about 8 years ago during his time with the Ouch cycling team and he was a real class act, I mean just as nice as it gets. During a training ride in Temecula he stopped to allow me to grab a photo with him and we chatted for about 5 minutes, on abother occasion he recalled me at a gas station when I said Hello to him and he took a pic with my son, but on a ride in Fallbrook, a tough hilly area, this was the first time I interacted with him, he rode next to me and motivated me to a top of a pretty good climb, I was a newbie at this point, but he flagged his sag vehicle up to us and told me and my friend to have a great ride and to be safe. The sag vehicled made sure we were ok in the 100 degree plus heat and fueled my friend and I with hydration, bars, and gu’s then happily departed us. I cant say how cool of a feeling that was. We all go through crap in life, but how we interact with one another will always last, which is why I have a great regard for the few times I’ve ran into Floyd. If you read this Mr Landis, thanks for the cool memories and the small talk. GODSPEED.
Did Floyd autograph a copy of “Positively False,” for you?
Nice !
So many comments about Landis also being a drug cheat... ALL the Tour riders are Drug Cheats.. This is about Lance being a genuine A-hole of a human. Landis was at least a nice drug cheat
"Landis was at least a nice drug cheat" So that's ok then? Does not matter if the dude was a 'nice cheat' or a 'nasty cheat'. A cheat is a cheat: Landis is on a similar level to Armstrong.
A nice cheat , I like that.
Yeah, I'd take a guy who was a bit of a jerk and raised $500 million for charity over a whiney ex pro cyclist.
+Samuel rogers …….and you know that 'ALL the Tour riders are Drug Cheats' how? Are you an ex-Tour rider, team doctor or directeur sportif? Idiot.
samuel rogers
I guess a persons personality doesn't matter to you?
by seeing Lance Armstrong acting in the Media I have 100% no doubt he was/is a bully. what Floyd is explaining shows a picture of a truly narcistic personality... kudos to Floyd Landis for explaining this.
@@billbobaggins801 twat!
@@KIMKIRCHEN lmao! But your a really stinky fishy one aren't ya! Mate?
@@billbobaggins801 nope that's your mom's bud. 🤢
no a c***k s***er
Or this guy is just a whiney little bitch trying to make a buck by pedaling his book!
I've never heard a nice thing about Lance
Lance is a very good bloke
How about 500,000,000 for cancer,what good did you do for others?
Two words: corporate salaries
It's true. Nobody who knows him as ever said anything nice about him. Actually the opposite is true. He must be a total douche bag. He seems to have no long term friends.
@Arduino Stein just like the mob and the drug Lord's, give money to the poor and start a foundation to try and redeem urself for being a scumbag!
I believe Landis but remember he wrote a whole book professing his innocence.
He’s a liar too
@@darinvint4495 yes
@@bellavia5 He seemed happy to along with Lance whilst he benefited from it
@@phililpb Yeah sure. But after Landis got busted Lance did'nt want him on the team anymore -which -incidentally -started the whole downfall of Lance. Lance went to USADA with all the inside knowledge he had about EPO use on the Postal team and that was the beginning of the end.
Both these guys in the interview seem like very nice guys. Everyone should have respectful intelligent people like them in their lives.
I loved watching Floyd Landis race as a pro and I believe every word he’s saying in this interview!
How about when he said he didn’t do any doping, did you believe him then? The man is a sellout who only went after Armstrong because he is a loser and got rejected.
I recently watched the BBC documentary on Armstrong, he also bullies is wife. What a parasite! Well done Floyd for standing up to this bully!
I feel sorry for the people who put all that effort into succeeding, only for Lance Armstrong to end up bullying them. In my experience, all *I* have to do to get a load of verbal abuse from a cyclist is to simply go for a walk along any public footpath in Britain.
Tell me about it, British cyclists think they can do whatever they want and don't realise that on a mixed use public footpath NO ONE has right of way and that cyclists should sound their bell and slow down when approaching a pedestrian. The worst bunch are the tour de France wannabe's who have racing bikes and wear that ridiculous full lycra. Those people have serious anger management issues. Though the funniest thing I've seen where I walk were these two cyclists in full lycra, riding racing bikes that cost around £5000 each and they didn't have the fitness to ride up a tiny little hill (more of a bump) that had around 15m of elevation change. They actually had to unclip their feet and push their bikes up the hill (bump). It wasn't as if they'd been riding for miles and were exhausted either as neither of them had broken a sweat.
I've seen them twice now (months apart) and they still push their expensive road bikes up the tiny little bump haha.
This is really sad. I'm a rider and always either slow down big time or say, "Thank you" repeatedly. Bikes are fast and I don't want to ruin their walk! I'm in the US though and it's usually on the streets where you have to fight back or die. lol
@@KatieCooper1990Just don’t go more than 2 people wide and we wont have a problem. And btw I hope your jogging not walking considering you’re trying to hate on others. I’d laugh if your body mass index is over 25😊
They have moved on to Formula X3000 now. EPO is a thing of the past. The doping hunters are always three steps behind.
My friend gave me Lances book to read, I think it was in 2000, my friend who thought the world of Lance ask me what I thought and I said Lance seems like a very selfish person and full of himself. I never bought what he was selling because I have learned if its seems to good to be true, it probably is. I don"t have all these negative feeling like a read maybe because I always thought he was full of shit.
Seeing L.A. on Rich Roll trying to command the dialogue and his irritating attitude was grating.
Ironic how in a team sport the top dog was all about himself. Perhaps that's the greatest indictment of Mr Armstrong.
There is no team in that sport. Everyone of them was cheating their ass off to win in one of the dirtiest sports ever.
There's an interesting mindset amongst a lot of commenters here who feel "ratting" on Armstrong was deplorable (forgetting perhaps, that Landis and others were indemnified, to an extent, for doing so) and even that doping was alright in the greater scheme of things, because "winning is everything". Unpleasant people.
Agree 100% Makes you wonder about how they're raising their kids. "It's OK to cheat, lie, steal, ruin lives and shoot up drugs, Johnny. As long as you win a race, that's all that matters." Disgusting amoral people.
I was never tested positive.
You were tested positive. You just made bloody sure it never got out.
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...and you were never honest with the public. Not until you were caught anyway.
Lance for most of us it never was about the drugs. It was how you treated others. You never did admit that Betsy told the truth about the hospital room interview.
Lance Armstrong we're at the point where it's time to heal. That may be the most difficult journey we take.
As soon as the whole doping gig started to unravel, I haven’t heard a positive thing about lance or from lance. It’s really upsetting because when I was a young kid I’d watch and idolize him. And what’s more is that it seems like the peloton he rode with agrees with Floyd’s sentiments.
Tbf doping was going on long before Lance started racing and Floyd got caught big time the year after
@@jon4539 I’m well aware of that but that doesn’t change the fact that many other riders from his own team and competing teams all seemed to really dislike lance for reasons other than just his doping.
@@mauryeetss3561 yes this maybe true but he was a American in a french race and us postal would have never been liked , I watch Lance and hincapie in the move podcast and he comes across as a funny guy but everyone has different views on him
Lance himself would agree with Floyd now. He's come around to admit that he was an asshole and says he regrets hurting people. I think the bully inside of him will never truly leave, but at least he's aware these days he was wrong.
I turned against him years ago, maybe around his 5th win, a friend of mine stayed in the next villa to him In Mexico at new year, they were both leaving at the same time and my friend said hello or some other pleasantry and Lance just stared at him with a dirty look, sounded like a dick move.
Boo Hoo! Lol
@@chadclemen You're so funny, Lance!
@@berndtherrenvolk1951 GFYS 👍
Good point -do you want to win -or-see the other guy lose.
So was Hinault and perhaps many other "top" guys.
“ I don’t even care”! Fahkin killed it with that one!
I recall decades ago I wanted to visit Mellow Johnny's, a bike shop owned by Lance. Being a Lance follower, I admired his mindset and tenacity. One day I showed up in Texas for a College graduation party, a friend of a friend from Austin had so many negative stories about Lance. They knew Lance outside of cycling. They said he was a real jerk to everyone even in Austin. I being a fan of Lance ignore them. Years later I'm reading all these folks saying what we already knew. Im glad I never met him personally.
Seems like Lance was the Stalin of cycling
He was so tactful, so much respect
Bullies exist because others accept being bullied.
Even though he was your captain, he was also a skinny 150 lbs cancer survivor with one nut. Nothing a real man can't handle.... using just one hand
Tyler Hamilton said he was the most "intense" rider he'd ever met, which meant that winning was everything to him, so maybe he was a bully - but Landis shouldn't complain about him (if that's what he's doing) given his own record.Lance definitely wasn't a nice guy on the tour or off. Sports (& the TDF) is full of guys like him, so you gotta figure he's just one of them. Can't argue with his greatness as a rider. (Hinault was no angel either).
What greatness as a rider. 0 Tour de France titles, 0 Olympic Golds, 0 other major Tour titles. He achieved nothing in teh sport that he hasnt been stripped of.
@@tylerbam7183 PREACH!
Mr. Bensinger, your interviews are great.
M. Dieng It’s like being in a therapy session!!
Good interviews, extremely bad hair. OOF.
When you want something. You have to go and get it. It doesn’t matter what the price might be. You know how many have not or has not been caught yet? Because nobody wants to go back and investigate the other nice guys 🙏👍
There are current calls to have Lance Armstrong “come in from the cold”, as if the drug cheating was the only thing he did wrong, ignoring the lying, corruption, bullying etc. the answer is NO, he should never be “rehabilitated”. It would be good if people stopped discussing him, so that he just faded from memory. One of the justified uses of cancel culture. And a suitable way to deal with narcissists
lol “one of the justified uses of cancel culture”? aka he’s someone you dont like. nice.
this whole comment section is a witch hunt on lance armstrong, spurred by Landis (the guy that got caught and then snitched when armstrong wouldnt let him rejoin his team) talking bad about the guy. landis hates armstrong, and he’s a sleeze.
As soon as Armstrong’s best and most loyal friend saw a vile of steroids and asked Lance about it, Lance immediately cancelled his friend. He was dead to him immediately
really? Because, I thought the enhancer that Lance used was blood doping? Or, was the blood doping to hide the EPO?
source?
@@nakedsnake6076 I apologize. It’s a magazine article I read in the 2000’s. This guy was such a close friend, his wife Kristen used to refer to him as “Husband #2”. He found a vile of EPO, asked Lance about it, and was immediately dead to Lance, cut off as his friend completely. I cannot remember the magazine, and I’ve tried Google searches to find it, but cannot. So no official source to reference
The way Landis describes Armstrong, In a long life i've witnessed a few such people like this & my interpretation of each was 'what a horrible horrible self centred & damaged individual'
The wrotten truth came out about Armstrong & it's evident the people that have since bothered with him at all, are those that are of a similar guilty ilk.
I remember a track rider who had just switched to road cycling saying that he was high as a kite. On the juice, a total bellend. Brad Wiggins had a point!
You try the same thing,only got cought...😂... Common guy...there are tigers,there are kittens...miau,miau...LA7 😈
Lance Armstrong got caught too...LA...0
Landis threatened LeMond about revealing his abuse while LeMond was encouraging, not threatening, Landis to admit his doping for his own psychological good.
LeMond is a national treasure, a true hero and a class act. He knew what was going on but was careful to not make public accusations or hurt anyone and because LA saw him as a threat anyway he ruined him financially. What a travesty.
An insider's story - that's the interest factor despite what you think of Landis.
I'm not sure all "winners" aren't like Armstrong, plus or minus the drugs.
I ahree, there are alot of reasons to win
This guys breathing is driving me insane
Dude, I thought I was the only one
@@maxreturn34 bad microphone placement
All of the top level cycling teams had a doping program and most all the riders were on it in Lance and Floyd's days in cycling. The UCI knew it and all the Grand Tour organizers knew it and looked the other way because it made for the most incredible races and riders the sport of cycling has ever or will ever see again. Lance brought more viewers, riders, and money to cycling than anyone before or after him. If not for Lance cycling would still be an unknown sport in the US and other place in the world. Love him or hate him those are just the facts. Like Tiger in golf and Jordan in basketball all winners have a driven prickish personality. They got inside their competitors heads and crushed their will and then physically destroyed them.
P.S......doping is still in cycling and sports. It's just done more carefully and on micro dosing levels. Don't kid yourself that it's disappeared.
Amen to that! Lance is a terrible human being, but I find it really funny that people seem to see Floyd as some sort of hero whistle blower now. He is the same as lance in my opinion. Not someone who should be revered at all.
@@nicko5945 Absolutely- hes actually worse than Lance imo.
I agree he put cycling on the map. I like to say that I don't care if he was high as a kite, for seven summers he gave us all a natural high. His duals in the mountains were epic. The peds gave those events an edge they don't have now. I don't take drugs but watching Lance and the others made me feel as if I were on something. So exciting! Such a spectacle!
Jordan was an a hole I've heard but you couldn't take your eyes off him. Same with Tiger. Lance was PT Barnum and David Copperfield all at once. I know I got my money's worth. But it isn't too late for him to make amends to those he may have hurt. He should get some advice from Paul Finebaum. I've heard paul used to be a dick now he's a really liked and great guy!
Greg LeMond put US cycling on the map and it's not true that all teams had a program and/or most riders were in on it. Plenty of riders have testified otherwise. What gives you the right to make such a blanket statement about pro cyclists? Are you on LA's marketing team that has made up & promoted the lie "everyone was doing it" in order to justify his own behavior? If you're promoting his big lie for free then that's not a very good return on investment for your valuable time on earth.
@@pjgarcia2417 Major Taylor put cycling on the map. Study Taylor, top cyclist in the World, American. After that LeMond of course. Lance Armstrong, after LeMond. You may hate Lance, but he sold more bicycles, got more people riding, and gave hope to cancer survivors. Everything else about Lance, important, but in big picture, Lance was good for the sport.
Why wouldn’t you just interview lance . Basically interview this guy and ask only question about someone else
Wow ! Dummy ! Really . Who’s the bully now . What a rude individual.
@@joeluns74 If you just interview Lance, until he was caught. He would still be claiming he was innocent. The biggest cheat in history in any sport.He even sued people and won millions for calling him a cheat. That's why you just don't interview Lance...
Was a Landis fan in the day, the peloton knew, riders were his slaves by fealty, common in feudal systems, they were like gladiator slaves, not world class pros, it was obvious to many fans.
Greg Lemond's star still shines, he brought a lot back to the sport Armstrong never will.
it's funny how L doesn't like the Lemond section and the Landis section in his ESPN doc, i hope LeMond's bicicle line still sells and by now his business came back to what it was.
It sounds like the descriptive word of who Lance Armstrong is, besides a bully/entitled, is he's a narcissist.
I used to still admire Lance, after this series of interviews, Lance’s power went way past just doping. Intimidation, bullying, aggressive behavior to teammates. If it was just doping, fine, but he was a monster in the sport. Absolutely not as gifted as an athlete that he may come off.
Sounds like they put the mic up Floyd's nose.
I feel like all the greatest athletes of their sports have to have that unlikeable component to their personality.
Brady gets psychotic about winning and berates teammates.
other legendary athletes don't always necessarily seem like a super warm fuzzy person.
You don't get to the top by being somebody that everybody likes. You get to the top by doing whatever the F it takes lol
George Patton was that way too.
Cristiano Ronaldo is by all accounts super lovely
@@jessecumings4134 it's not that I don't think they can be really cordial to fans and that sort of thing I just said that some component of their personality has to get there.
maybe it's like Brady where he seems like a really nice guy and interviews and when he meets fans but during the game and practice he just gets ridiculously intense and will scream at you for screwing up.
But you're playing with the goat and winning titles so you'll take it.
All the grears are a little fucked up in the head. Look at how intense Michael jordan was. Look at an athlete like cristino Ronaldo who's super arrogant. Floyd Mayweather, connor McGregor, even nyjah Huston.
Bradys well known for bringing team mates together. Look at AB and how fast his attitude changed even when he was with brady on the patriots. Passion for the game and hearing the tone being spoke on the field/sidelines isnt a far comparison to someone sitting in the stands or at ho.e
I dislike people saying they were bullied. Stand up for yourself or walk away. Compliance with a bully, as stated, is weakness. Continued weakness is cowardice. Cowardice has no friend.
He is speaking on his experiences with Lance. That he was a bully to....everyone. It's just your issue that you don't like to hear it.
I am intrigued by the fact that people s faces often show their characteristics. Look at Lance, there's nothing but hard rock. Floyd is expressive, soft and accommodating.
Maybe i missed something, but i didn't catch Landis saying that Lance was a *"jerk"* in that interview.
A bully is a jerk.
re: winning for making others lose
it happens in business. some music shops will open across from a competitor and deliberately run at a loss for years, just to see if the competition will close due to profit margin losses
assholes. these stores will never be loyal to the customers, unlike store owners who open for the love of the business, and want customer relationships that grow over decades, not one day sales.
Look how long he said he was clean so why should people believe what he says now without asking why he is saying it
My friend who worshiped Lance let me borrow his book back in 2001 and he ask me what I thought and I said " he seems like a selfish fuck". I did not get a bit inspired by his book, Lance just seemed like a very selfish person, I guess I am not alone.
"was"?
FUGLSANG : KING IN THE NORTH!
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There's 3 sides to this story; Floyd, Lance and the truth!
I agree. The truth is Floyd's being way too kind and diplomatic in his assessment.
Bet that was fun just talking about Lance the whole damn time
So what?? Why passive-aggressively bring it to the media? This is world class competition. If a guy intimidates you, intimidate back. If he's a jerk and a bully, jerk and bully him back. Or lose and go home if you can't take it. Floyd Landis is a straight-up weak punk - a little damn girl.
The interviewer absolutely gets on my nerves.
Shawn Clark I know, right. He's got douche written all over his face.
Shawn Clark agreed. Totally bizarre...
I got the feeling it was his first day on the job.
The interviewer doesn’t do sports. Saw that on an interview with John Daly. He knows his sports as a fan though...
Dude's sort of creepy
Bill Burr put it perfectly - Our 'roided up guy beat all the other 'roided up guys !!
I don't know Lance personally, Floyd does. Whether what he says about Armstrong is true, I can't say, but, I have followed cycling since well before Lance, and he never came across to me, as being "nice". Hincapie seems a great guy, and he's friends with Lance, so what do I know.
I wonder if people still yell liar and cheat at Lance when they see him? I'd like to think so. Reap what you sow.
You will also be judged in your life! You are not perfect, and you have sinned in your life.
Oh.....Mr. perfect I bet right??
you r just dumb as a cucumber
Floyd Landis one of the biggest joke in sport history..Gets caught then start singing on everyone..
"To get what he wanded"
Children, just ride a bike for the pleasure of doing it. Competitive sports are completely f ... up and it will never change
Landis just sounds a bit but hurt.
Armstrong had 3 TDF wins by the time Landis joined Postal...what did he expect??? The Postal team existed because of Lance Armstrong.
"He didn't have a lot of friends." Most duschbags don't.
Floyd I totally believe in what your saying about Lance. Ever since you blew the whistle on him, and doping, I lost respect for him. he kept saying he would never, but he did, it crushed me and my love for cycling, and watching any of the TOURS, or cycling as a sport. He betrayed his team, you, the US of A, and bike racing in general. Let it go Floyd, don't let it eat you up.
Lance was a cheater. He will always be known as a cheater.
Yup, they all were. but lance gets pointed out because he won, and they didn't.
No Skeptic Bee, they were not all cheaters. Some refused to cheat, never won a price. Some refused to cheat, and decided the sport in disgust. But all those where morally far above cheater Armstrong.
Very well put, Melissa. The main dilemma regarding Armstrong is whether his incredibly strong story is worth worshipping even if it´s not true. For some people it´s just unimaginable to give up their larger than life hero. And the guy will always be able to say: "I wasn ´t doing anything else than the other guys and was the best at it". It´s up to us, the public, to decide, whether we want to accept, or question such attitude.
Name one clean major tour winner in the past 25 years.
Carlos Sastre
In years to come, Lance Armstrong will be remembered for being a cheat, a scam artist and a down right liar. What a legacy.
Cry me a river
He was like ( El Canelo ) yes I said it
that is why he won so many times. You need to have this personality to be at the top and stay there.
Remember Filippo simeoni
Only a jrk and bully when Lance didn't help you Landis but was ok before
lance seems like a really nice guy, everyone's says so:)
yea ... while sleeping,,!!
That is the worst haircut I have ever seen
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When this guy was young, was he an elf that wanted to be a dentist?
M Lankford haha I get the comparison
Floyd soft af
The guy is such a girl
Sounds a lot like Michael Jordan’s personality -guess you got to be a bit of a jerk to win a lot.
Floyd Landis just trying to get his fame back. lets not forget he cheats too
Lance offer the first place for some TF stages to others. Also, he help one teamate in Il Giro. He does not want another TF winner candidate in the team.
sour grapes
Lance was a very smart guy until his own greediness got the best of him. If Lance had just given $1 or $5 million to the snitch Landis to go away, Lance would have never lost his Tour titles, and most of the world would still be believing his Cinderella story.
I wasn't believing his Cinderella story by about 2001. I don't blame Landis for being a snitch, he was harassed by Armstrong when he wanted to leave and move to another team to be GC leader himself, he was probably Armstrong's best climber along with Hamilton. He deserved the chance, but everything was all about Armstrong...he was known to harass the peloton during races it was that bad.
redemption Why didn't these guys just left the team?
Because there wasn't another team to go to.
arkansaswookie yes the pro peloton is known for having one team only. That’s why lance won 7 years in a row, they were the only team. Complete non sense.
Keoni El Salvador thank god he spoke out!
The only reason Landis snitched was because that punk was let go from U.S. Postal and he wanted to get back at Lance
Von45Rose and because he was already busted, he’s a fake hero
Still doesn't make Lance the good guy. Landis was a cheat, but Lance was a cheat and the biggest asshole in the world.
Next is redemption of a cycling legend, he steIght does the job
Lance Armstrong ate farts to enhance his performance.
So this guy injected EPO with Lance and now he wants to bad mouth him in public, cool. At least Lance won.
Floyd won the Tour of 2006 but got caught and lost it to Oscar Pereiro
Landis won a tour that was just as valid or invalid as Lances tour wins.
How could you be so blind to miss the point entirely. Did you watch the video? Nobody cares about who won or who lost, its about how bad a person Lance is.
That's true!
No, I think it's about HYPOCRISY! Pots calling kettles black...
Landis just described my sister. All bullies are the same.
snitches get stitches
stitches from 130 pound roadies...that's funny.
Floyd Your Just Pissed Because Lance And Brunel Wouldn't Give You A job.
That's true. Lance made the mistake of disrespecting Floyd, prompting Floyd to turn state's evidence which led to Lance finally admitting his drug use on Opra.
no no no no no read david walsh's book ! you'll understand your comment is out of order. Down with lance and that kinda person/cheat/ shit head
after watching all these documentaries, i think it comes down to the fact that he made a donation to UCI, that's how it started. but the timeline in many docu's is off, and it's very hard to tell stuf or follow.
lance story with cancer and coming back to cycling,got lance some sponsors
these sponsors sponsored tour de france cause that's why the 1st prize was 1 million $
obviously lance got uci and tdf organizateurs in his pocket cause he bringed sponsors and people attention with his story comeback
during his winning years in tdf he got positive tests which were disclosed years later
also lance only competiting in tdf,ignoring complety other big races,why??? cause he didn't got in other races people in his pocket like race organizateurs,people who would take his pee sample
in tdf top GC riders were caught and banned but only armstrong not,biggest armstrong opponent was jan ulrich which dopped couldn't beat armstrong and ulrich got caught twice
i remember on internet during 2005-2007 was a picture where top20 GC tdf 2000 or 2001 majority of them got caught or their names were linked to a dopping scandal
i started watching cycling in 1999,just coincidence,cause in summer break eurosport romania was showing tdf full stages from 12 or 1 pm to 6 pm and replaying again in the morning
by year 2003 it was obvious for me that majority were doping and armstrong is a bigger fraud than ulrich
romanian comentators were always talking about doping scandals,they were talking very freely about shady things happening in cycling
they speak about us postal being too strong,george hincapie was no climber specialist but hincapie would relay on flat the whole stage and if at the end was a climb,still hincapie would relay dropping pure climbers
obviously after some years both got removed and replaced with a guy that is npc/puppet that tells the 2nd commentator not to go deep into doping disccusions
lol this guy is hilarious!!
This man made a living out of vengeance because he was refused by Lance in the Us Postal. He cheated just the same than all the rest and he wants to make himself an example of honesty. To me, one of the worst people un the world of sport
Are you serious with this comment?
Lance destroyed people’s lives!
Lance just did what all of the 'Front Runners" of their teams do. Also, Lance started doping, because the Europeans were already doing if for years. Noone likes him because he was the most driven to win, and he did
GARY Gwin lance was a bully aka lance tore us to shreds because he was way more driven.
Bottom line - he would have beat Floyd 7 times without PEDs. Lance goes on - has new ventures - what does Floyd, Levi, Tyler - anybody else have - today. NADA.
I agree. Landis would never have beat Lance if they both went head to head in their peak years. And you know, as long as we are talking hypotheticals, what if Lance never had cancer?
Lance has as many Tour de France titles as Tyler
O really? Wow I had totally forgot how many times Tyler wore the yellow jersey into Paris!! I didn't even remember Tyler won the tour???
And I bet you don`t remember how shit lance was in the Tour before he decided to dope. Just looked on the UCI website, no record of a L. Armstrong or T. Hamilton winning the Tour de France
knuckle head, Lance was always doping. He won the world road race champ when he was 19. He was riding with lung cancer his last tour before his diagnosis. Again...HE WAS DOPING BEFORE THE DIAGNOSIS, and EVERYONE IN CYCLING WAS DOPING HEAVILY. WHAT IS YOUR F'ing point?
Here's the deal, lots of people are assholes to the people around them, does that excuse their behavior? No, of course not. Is it nice to be around? No. But in a lot of cases like with John Lennon, Walt Disney, Steve Jobs, and Mr. Lance Armstrong, in their personal lives, they treated people close to them like shit - but at the same time, gave so much positivity and benefits to the world. Again, does not excuse nor does it mean they are not responsible for their actions - in all cases they 100% are.
But people will focus on the small number of people hurt thinking it somehow negates the billions of people's lives that over generations these individuals have helped, uplifted, inspired and enriched for the better. Now take someone like Hitler, he was said to be a very nice and giving to his family and friends and yet this in no way cancels out the atrocities he committed against the entire world. It comes down to the big picture and the overall good one gives.
If you had to choose, would you rather be, 80% good and 20% asshole or 20% good and 80% asshole?
Nobody will remember floyd.
petef15 everybody will remember Armstrong as a cheater
So what? Being remembered is overrated. Being a good person each moment is the only glory.
I remember him as the one who took down LA. I remember LA as the symbol who destroyed 10 years of cycling. The prick of pricks.
Who??
petef15 Wrong. Nobody remembers cheaters and narcissists. Everyone knows and respects Tyler and Floyd
Lance was a winner. Winning means power. And power is the only thing that matters. America does not care about morality anymore. Winning is everything.
Anymore?
* any more
I like that you are modest.
Welllll ...... SOME among us Actually WANT to see athletes Win CLEAN.
You were right the first time.
Floyd Landis, what a weasel! Earning hi living spilling the beans on whoever he can! Weasels aren't nice people to be around! LOL