Hamilton's Untold Account of Doping & Forgiving Lance
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.พ. 2024
- Anthony chats with former US Postal rider Tyler Hamilton about one of the defining periods in our sport, the US Postal days. It was a dark era defined by doping and deception but it has paved the way for change and re-birth.
Takeaways from this chat:
🌍 Transition to Europe: The shift from racing primarily in the US to competing in Europe was a pivotal moment for Hamilton.
🤝 Team Dynamics: The camaraderie and internal culture of the US Postal Service team played a significant role in their success, despite external skepticism and challenges.
💉 Introduction to Doping: Hamilton's recount of his introduction to doping and the ethical dilemmas it presented reflects the complexities athletes faced within the competitive cycling environment.
🚫 Cultural Shift in Doping: The evolution of doping practices, especially post-1998 Festina scandal, shows a significant shift towards more secretive and individualized approaches.
🧠 Mental and Emotional Strain: The dual life of being a professional cyclist and a doper had profound impacts on Hamilton's mental health and personal relationships.
📉 Getting Caught: The aftermath of being caught doping was a tumultuous period for Hamilton, leading to a decade of challenges but also paving the way for personal growth and the eventual telling of his truth.
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Tyler helped sponsor my daughter racing at Nationals in 2005 through his Tyler Hamilton Foundation for MS (I have MS). He paid for our lodging and food in Park City Utah as well as gifting her a full kit, which we still have. I will always be a Tyler fan! ❤
too good too be true.
@@michaeljohnson254 Well, it's true.
The last 20 years have been hell for Tyler Hamilton. Glad to see him making his way back to a good place in life.
Like others who Lance seduced, Tyler was an innocent.
Why do you say this? Honest question. What's been going on with him? Maybe it comes out through the rest of this podcast? I'm only 5 minutes in. Was going to post about his sunken eyes.
@@monkeytwitch6463 To know the whole story, you have to go back more than 30 years ago.
EPO in cycling in the 90's.
Middling racers becoming superman.
Racers dying of heart attacks.
Festina affair.
UCI corruption.
Athens Olympics.
Operation Puerto
Lance doping and denial.
USADA investigation
FBI investigation.
Floyd Landis scandal.
Tyler was deeply involved in the crisis. Implicated, he agreed to admit the truth to avoid prosecution.
It cost him his career as a racer.
His marriage.
Strained his relationship with his family.
He was consumed with guilt for years.
Drinking made it worse.
He got help, after trying to tough it out by himself.
Only now, is he getting back to being himself, happy and at peace with the past.
Read his book.
Read David Walsh's books.
Always liked Tyler and respect that he came to peace with telling the truth when called under oath. I will never lose my respect and admiration for Tyler and wish his family all the best.
you should lose respect. he is human garbage doper
I echo your comment...
I was fortunate to have Tyler coach me for a short time as he was starting up his training company. Great guy.
whoaa that's sweet!
I've hung around some of Tylers old team mates that lived in Girona, and they speak highly of him. Quality Human they say.
The worst thing you could do to Armstrong is make him feel as irrelevant as possible by ignoring him.
I ignore him every day.
Yep. Saw he had a podcast. Set it not to show up in feeds.
As the owner of a behavioral consulting firm i can clearly tell Tyler still struggles with his past. However, he has done a wonderful job building a family, and trying to move on from his past transgressions. I wish him all the best.
its because he is an fn doper bum...that is what he needs to admit...he could not do anything in life without dope
I could of told you that mate it doesn't take a behavioral therapist to realise or you just bragging about your job that's like saying an ex drug addict still has trouble coping with his past its not rocket science is it 😅😅😅
@DavidJones-bl2yz I think you need a therapist, very defensive comment you have made...I guess you suffer from being envious of other people's thoughts...😊
And it seems like you need a therapist as well I can see you struggle with your past I see you suffer from a nervous disorder that needs addressing with that man's behaviour consulting firm 😂😂 like I said it doesn't take a rocket scientist you silly little fool who knows absolutely nothing about nothing I bet your not even a proper cycling person all the gear no idea my bike cost €10,000 and that's just my winter bike ha ha I bet I'm faster than you especially when I get hold of that special power which makes me go faster than superman with the wind behind him when he's late to save the world😅😅 sometimes I go so fast my tyres catch on fire and my eyes water and I can't stop in time I feel faster than lance Armstrong late for a drug deal with Michael ferrari😮😮 tomorrow I'm getting a new even faster bike with red bar tape and go faster stripes so I go even faster it's like the bat mobile but it's not it's me on my fast bike
Shut up you silly fool you can't shut me up 😮😮😮😮
The honesty is so refreshing. Appreciation to Tyler for revisiting these difficult facts and chapeau to Anthony for approaching Tyler's story with tact and empathy
Tyler is a very good person and has been his whole life. His mannerism now reflects a man approaching mid-life fatherhood still grappling with a drastic life-altering mistake made early in life. I've always said the real tragedy with Tyler was that he almost certainly would have raced better, at the very least longer, if he never doped at all. The kid could train himself into the ground and the mental stress of doping just knocked him down rather than picked him up, at least in the long run. His transparency is a testament to his good character and we all hope he finds true peace and joy in the second half of his life.
FWIW, I just finished reading The Secret Race after a friend recommended it. This was a pretty heavy read but I ended up reading the book cover to cover in a day. Haven't done that in a long time! Tyler did the right thing by coming clean. That shows character. 'Nuff said.
Yes everything BAD that has ever happened is Lance's fault. FYI: Who got awarded 1st place after they DQ'd Lance and his 7 Trophies?
I’ve read it a couple of times, but just listened to the audio book for the 6th time.
Probably listen to it once a year. So many amazing observations and lessons . It’s brilliant.
@@mikegray5826 So, is it everyone else's fault that he ruined people's lives for daring to tell the truth, or sending a little birdie to UCI to turn other cyclists in when he deemed them to be a threat?
Tyler's wisdom is something we can all learn from. Thank you. Cycling or any sport will always have those that look for ways to cheat, because some folks put winning above every other earthly thing. Peace
The goal is to win, not to be in second place.
While anybody involved in cycling hates this topic I have to give Tyler props. He clearly hates this conversation and yet he has it with you. This guy worked so fucking hard and had to do what he had to in order to keep his job. A true legend in cycling.
Tyler is such a talented, decent human being. I'm so pleased to know he's doing well in his life now. The interviewer asked great questions in a really respectful way. I learned a lot. Just an aside, I've been in the mental health field for decades. Those of you out there who fancy yourself qualified to diagnose, please check yourselves. Tyler is doing just fine and will continue to do well in his life. He's a very healthy human being doing very healthy things. That's a recipe for success!
I envy anyone who hasn’t read Tyler’s book. It was fascinating and so well written.
He is not over this
Tyler grew up two towns over from me and was part of the same club when starting out. Great kid, so unassuming but ridiculously strong from the start. Good to see him at peace and willing to share his story.
That wasn't CCB now, was it?
Great Rider but an even better person...top notch
I admired Tyler back in the day, but after watching this interview, even more. Congratulations Tyler, you’re a good man. Pleased to see you doing well. Miss seeing you competing.
I recall meeting Hamilton while he was racing for Rock Racing. He was racing one of the local races my team happened to be racing at. He really came across as one of the nicest and patient individuals I have ever met. He was getting mobbed for photos and autographs, yet he took his time with everyone.
Class act…🤙🏻
Tyler, I will never forget riding with you in Bermuda (early 2000's). It was a group ride and you and I were at the front chatting about cars as we hit a hill (big by Bermuda standards), I will never forget the look on your face as you realized you were riding and talking to yourself then looking back behind to see a pack riders with their tongues hanging out of breath!! I found you to be a super cool guy and I did not forget our conversation about starting UCI ITT Cup race in Bermuda. I hope to look you up soon!!
I loved Tyler's book 'The Secret Race.'
The best book from that era
@@TheRoadmanPodcast It was / is fab... after all the rumours about drug taking and particularly the use of epo... Tyler just bust the omerta open!
It is the best book of the era.
@@bamicus9342 he is a doper bum...he cant do sht without dope
I especially liked the format where he told things as best he remembered or believed, but the co-author put a footnote if it couldn't be verified or he believed wrong. For example, I was surprised at how few cyclists outside Postal actually used EPO in 1999 (when there was a test available in 2005) and explaining why "everyone doped, so it was a level playing field" was a fallacy.
Tyler is always one of the most compelling speakers on the subject of doping in his era. You almost get the sense it's like a form of therapy for him to get it all out there. Great interview.
Thanks, awesome interview. He's one of my favorites
Agreed one of my favourites also
Thanks! What a great interview. Really appreciate how you let your guests speak and interject just enough to keep it going.
It’s great to see Tyler looking so healthy and happy! His book is probably the best account of what likely really happened.
Yes everything BAD that has ever happened is Lance's fault. FYI: Who got awarded 1st place after they DQ'd Lance and his 7 Trophies?
Huge kudos to Tyler Hamilton for being so honest, his discomfort is clear to see throughout, but he is facing his demons.
Thank you for a great interview. I respect Tyler for the openness he has shown. What I cannot agree with is the assertion by Anthony that he still considers Lance the winner of those 7 TdF races. Lance (and many others) cheated, he knew the rules and he went to great lengths to not only cheat but to cover-up the cheating as well as working to destroy those that posed a threat to exposing his cheating. You do not get to be honored as the winner of the race when that happens. The fact that 'everyone' was cheating at the time does not change the facts of what happened. One of the parts of the legacy that is going to remain forever from that cheating is that there will never be a winner at the top of the list for those races. That is the natural consequence of what happened.
Agreed. Armstrong bullied so many people, bribed the UCI, and organized doping schemes. You really shouldn't declare a winner if you want any semblance of credibility for the race.
Your interviews are informative and compelling. Keep up the good work!
I was a college kid in Boston and saw him with the 93' collegiate championship at Harvard Square. I was a big fan and wish him the best.
Great interview. MAD RESPECT for saying telling his parents/family was the hardest part. Loved watching him race and glad he has emerged from this whole thing a better person, mentor, new father! 😊😊
As an Englishman I love Tyler, good too see you looking so well Tyler!
Excellent interview. Was always a big Tyler fan and our U23 team Veloworx Racing even raised money for his foundation The Tyler Hamilton Foundation. It was heartbreaking for us when he was busted. It was even more heartbreaking to watch the next few years before he found his way again. I'm so happy that he is on a good place now and able to share his story. #staystrongTyler
Smashed his book over two days, couldn’t put it down.
Great episode. Another top guest.
Thank you. 👍🏻👌🏼
Great interview! Read his book when it first came out. I have so much respect for anyone who can come out of a dark time in their life and choose to live in the light. I wonder if any of us can truly say that we wouldn’t have done the same if presented with the same opportunities. It is easy to stand in judgment of others if we fail to look at ourself first. Thanks Tyler, I will always be a fan!
Amazing interview, thanks guys for this.
His book is amazing that’s it. ☝️
I made the Junior National team trials when Eddie B was the head coach. The coaches input was worth 50% in the selection process, so if you didn’t want to be on their “blood boosting” program you weren’t going to be on the team. I no have little doubt that Tyler’s performance enhancing started earlier than he has admitted. To be clear, it’s hard to blame Tyler. Eddie B took a group of 17 year old kids who had trained 20+ hours/week to get there, and gave them a choice.
Tyler was probably doped when was ski racing.
Eddie B brought the blood doping over from Europe. It is well documented his role in blood doping as head of the 84 Olympic team. He also coached Lemond so makes it hard to believe that Greg was clean either.
@@mattbleuer5011 Greg was a rider they couldn’t afford to reject. Bob Lemond, Greg’s father, had a huge fight with Walter (I don’t remember his last name) about the program. Mark Whitehead, a member of the ‘84 Olympic track cycling team, had a life threatening experience with their blood doping program. Greg said to me many years later on a ride “I knew he was gonna kill someone”.
I was competing in modern pentathlon in the 80s/90s, we would be beating athletes 6 weeks before Olympics or worlds then come the big one, alot of athletes would just run past us, improving by 60s over a 4k run. One team LA84 games all had doctors letters allowing them to take beta blockers(ideal for shooting) due to them all having dodgy hearts, ffs. We knew it was going on in certain countries but just did our best.
If I'm honest, I found this a difficult watch. I was unsettled by his nervous mannerisms, reaching for his drink, fidgeting etc. But then again, this may be his normal personality. Who am I to judge.
But overall, I am impressed by his honesty and bravery to be willing to share it all, no easy task I would assume.
No this is so weird he was not this stressed out by it years ago when he 1st spoke see his talks. This is somethin else. He looks rattled..
I agree, he did look unsettled. It certainly wasn't the way that Anthony was conducting the interview, he was very relaxed.
For sure. For sure.
agree, not sure what's going on but he sure didn't look/sound "good".
He is always like this, he is an interesting guy
Most people suspected Armstrong of doping right from the beginning. Nobody goes from not finishing the tour to winning the race after recovering from cancer. Many speculate that his cancer was caused by doping starting from his days of doing triathlons.
Pretty much established from discussions with doctors and friends in the hospital that Armstrong became ill from the early doping. He wasn't alone.
Who is "most people?" Insiders, maybe. But on the popular culture level, I think most people bought the story. Even among the amateur cyclists who followed racing, I remember absolute wars being waged on cycling message boards over this issue and it was a pretty even split. In hindsight, what amazes me is the massive amount of PR that Armstrong's team must have been behind for the lie to become plausible. I remember some doctor writing a paper about how his cancer treatment made him lighter and therefore a better climber, LOL.
@@rkn25 Maybe most was the wrong word. But, there were many who doubted him. The general public wanted to believe he was some kind of hero. Especially after setting up that mostly scam LiveStrong foundation that did some good, But its main goal was to benefit Armstrong's image.
The idea that doping causes cancer is statistically improbable. Almost every top athlete in almost every sport has been doping for nearly 8 decades…I would expect there to be quite a bit more cases of cancer in high level athletes.
Add to it Armstrong continued to be doped to the gills following his remission (and looks to still be using PEDS from recent pictures). Why doesn’t he have cancer now?
Smoking has been proven to cause cancer, correct? Why hasn't every person who has smoked gotten lung cancer? As for Armstrong's PED use causing Cancer, that is obviously speculation. Just the fact hat for a strong , healthy young man to come down with multiple cancers at his age was so rare, that it is easy to speculate.
Just read his book. Fascinating read. This guy is a good interviewer.
Good interview. Great insight. Tyler's a tough subject w/all the stop/starting. You never quite know when to start speaking and follow up with another question or comment b/c the interviewee never seems totally done with their thoughts. It can be awkward but you showed great patience with him. His candidness was great to hear. Just told it how things were.
Be well Tyler. You were so awesome to meet at one of the Tours I went to watch. Such a great guy. Take care of yourself.
Tyler you are still a hero in my book. You have stepped up to the plate thank you
They say that the wise man is not so much the person who learns from his own mistakes, but is able also to learn from the mistakes of others. That way opens up tremendously the field of learning
Way to go Tyler. Thank you
Mad respect to Tyler for starting a family at age 50 or so. Gives hope to all of us late bloomers.
God Bless you Tyler. Thanks for your courage and strength.
Great interview.
great interview, thank you Tyler
Back in the day I was recovering from a hip injury from running and started cycling. I loved it. Went from being dropped every ride to the front of the pack. I followed pro cycling and Tyler became one of my heroes along with Andy Hampstead. Doping turned me off on the sport, the one I loved to do more than anything. Now at 80 I'm coming back to it. I really enjoyed hearing Tyler speak.
Tyler's a great guy. Unfortunate for everyone racing in that era. Great to see him doing well, enjoying life and his family.
Very emotional interview thoroughly enjoyed it.
Excellent discussion... you can still see Tyler still looking for the right words on how to explain how it all went down.... super super fresh even today in his mind. It was a massive turmoil time in Cycling which carried with it all the elements of life within it. Well done Road man great podcast!
Not to mention the 5 second delay.
I could listen to Tyler Hamilton all day.. great guy and great cyclist. Thank you 🙏🏼
Excellent interview❤
Solid interview... Tyler is a solid dude.
Great interview! 🔥
Listening to Tyler it is clear it still hurts, even after all these years. Great interview. First time I have come across the Roadman podcast - subscribed.👍
Welcome , the interview with Greg lemond is worth a watch
@@TheRoadmanPodcast Your Lemond interview is one of the most important interviews in the history of not only cycling, but of sport.
@@vibratingstring Appreciate the kind words. LeMond is back for part 2 this coming Monday
Tyler is a good dude, loves to help Juniors, and really has a great outlook. Got to meet him and go for a ride with him and my nephew who is a Junior and utilizing one of Tylers coaches. Tyler is super nice, super humble. Im an old racer and Tyler was one of the guys who in the 80's we all followed.
Long time coming
Great interview. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
TH's advice to young cyclists rings.
Very good interview. Bless your life!
Tyler and Anthony, two mighty fine men. Through a lot of pain, came out the other side better man for it!
Tyler you got a big heart & lotta love 🫶
Cycling is such a hard sport. Suffering is part of it. A big part. It helps to hear how it was for Tyler. I understand the doping thing a lot more after hearing Tyler speak.
Thank you
First, well done. The interview WAS hard to watch, referring to the comment below. But I greatly appreciated Tyler’s comments, thoughts, and his growth through that shit period of cycling and where he is now. Congratulations to both of you.
We need and want to see peace between big Lance and Tyler! I have seen Tyler in 2003 at the finish of Dauphine in Briancon and love him since! Thanks Tyler you proved to be a legend that year!!
The best cycling interview i've ever heard. PERIOD
Great interview, Tyler is a good dude.
As someone who casually watched races back in the era of US Postal, on cable TV, I never really followed the details of the doping, beyond of course seeing news about Armstrong, etc. I enjoyed the races, even if suspicious about many of the riders who could come up with energy which just didn't seem realistic to me, even for pro athletes. I guess I'll have to find episodes about George in particular, because when he'd pull Lance up a mountain in his draft, it really felt "unbelievable".
You know you've gone wrong somewhere, when spilling the beans to a federal grand jury is your best source of relief! We all make mistakes, whether or not they are moral-dilemma types of mistakes like this. We all feel trapped into continuing some mistakes, in one aspect of life or another. Postponing a feared disaster, is a natural thing. Hoping the disaster never arrives, is a natural thing. Hoping the disaster somehow doesn't catch you up in it, is a natural thing. So, he is right that in order to avoid all that, make good decisions to begin with. Easier said than done in most cases.
Eddie B is such a fascinating guy
Loved watching Tyler ride, both in Discovery and CSC…. So glad he’s in a good place now 👍 finally found the time to start reading “The Secret Race”…. Really interesting to understand the choices from a riders perspective…. Tyler would be one of the Pro Riders I would love to just go for a ride with…. 👍
Deep respect for this man.
Good interview..🤠👍
great interview glad he is at peace with himself somewhat.
Lordy you are a great great interviewer.....following cycling since Breaking Away movie, First GEO mag, Jonathan Boyer, Lemond(greatest cyclist evah)...Bob Babbit Triathlon beginnings, bump into Mari Holden, Chris Horner, Nelson Vails in yrs past biking around San Diego...VanDevalde at Aztec hoops..glad I happened on this site....plus ya sound so much like Pádraig Harrington..!!...TMI I know..
Cheers y'all
I always liked Tyler. Now it's been a couple of years since I saw an interview with him (I've seen many) and I get the feeling that something's not right with him in this interview. I just don't recognize him. Hope that he was just nervous. Bless him, he seams like such'a nice and solid guy. Big cred to what he did (after he got caught): that took a lot of guts and a really big heart
Nice to see Tyler finally looking happier in his own skin. He beat himself up so much but wasn't frightened to front up, inform and educate. A lot to admire in this man. Best wishes to him.
He’s said that his greatest strength as a bike racer was his ability to endure pain, like riding most of the TdF with a broken collarbone.
Thanx RoadMan !
Awesome podcast
Thanks for listening
you can see he is still scarred by the bullying and pressure to conform …. he comes across as an honest person
i doubt seriously that he wasnt aware of doping until 1997.
I could see it racing for Montgomery-Bell. They weren't Motorola/U.S. Postal, which was full-time in Europe. There were still domestic races, and cycling was in the post-LeMond lull, out of the eye of the general public.
Amazingly nice person - his book was fantastic
lots of respect for Tyler. I dig this guy.
When you go to hell and back, the resounding take-away is "forgiveness". Good talk. Super guy!
People definitely knew about doping in the early 90's. There was no way you could not hear talk about it if you raced at a high level. I don't believe he was surprised about doping so late into his career. I raced against him in college, and even my nobody self had people telling me about doping in Europe at that time.
All my love and respect to Tyler.
I wish all the best to Tyler Hamilton. I'm 58 and have followed Tyler and pro cycling intense as an spectator since 1989. If anybody here has any questions regarding that era etc. Please ask and I will try to answer them.
WTF was TH on - or in withdrawal from - during that interview? i normally enjoy The Roadman Podcasts, but this one was uncomfortable to watch. Tyler looked gaunt and unsettled, unable to focus, and definitely not himself. like other commentors here, i too greatly enjoyed his book, which i could not put it down while reading it. i respect Tyler for coming clean, for exposing the truth about pro cycling during that era, and for telling his story in such a sincere and honest way. i have seen many of his interviews and public presentations over the years, but this one gives me pause for concern. Tyler is an extraordinary guy and i can only wish him well, but i'm afraid that something is not right.
Tyler is a great guy and I feel the same about Lance. Hope one day they can get together and talk, maybe a pod cast! What I can say is, cycling was way more exciting back then.
It is great how open Tyler is about the use of doping. To compare to cross country skiing (which I follow as a Finn), nobody talks about the use of doping there as openly. Nor those who got caught, and even less those who are just believed to have doped. In the 90s I guess all the best were using EPO.
Tyler in this interview looks soooo much better and younger than the previous times I’ve seen him whether in an interview or pictures after he retired. At the beginning of the interview he seemed normal and chill but as soon as the doping topic came up, it was painfully obvious that he still has issues talking about that time and era of cycling. I know how Lance feels about him but it would be nice for all those guys (former Postal riders) to get together and at least squash those hard feelings and bury all of the negativity. It might be a long shot but at least try.
Love it
It's nice to see Tyler doing well. I was always a huge fan, and he seems like a really good human being. Anyone who still wants to criticize should remember the old adage of 'walk a mile in the mans shoes'.
I almost feel sorry now for some of the big names from back then who never actually got busted. Several names come to mind. They're still living every day with the lie.
He won the NCAA championship right here in Boston, basically his home town, the year MIT hosted it. I was there. New Englander's were excited to see where his talent would take him.
I have a lot of respect for his generation and Tyler for sure.
those were crazy time of cycling! I wish some day Lance can come around and accept Tyler. Life is short!
I once sold to a bike shop North of Boston where Steve Pucci had a local racing team (and bike shop - Northeast Bikes - which famously had a sign on the front door saying "No bozos allowed"). Steve told me of Tyler long before he became a noted racer. I think if you look at the US now, which is totally divided, it makes me understand more about the tribal nature of humanity. Teams are similar to tribes and certainly individual sports are. During that era the sport of cycling was a tribe that doped. If you are in a tribe that doped it was a difficult or impossible decision not to dope. I draw my lines not so much about the doping but of the other aspects that materialized. Unfortunately, if you are in a gun fight, don't show up with knives. And then the law steps in and says no one had the right to show up with either.
Huge Tyler Hamilton fan. I used to live in Missoula; great town. It’s crazy to think this massive shooting star of cycling flamed out and has been reborn as dad towing his kids around those sleepy, leaf bound streets. I’m so happy he has found some peace. It’s easy to judge that generation of riders; but ask yourself, if a team doctor came into your room with a red pill and told you you needed it for your health would you have taken it? Most would. Dope and succeed or drop out of the sport…that was the choice.
Always been a fan of Tyler and even more so now given his attitude and views on LA. Pretty sure if they got together with others from that era and did roadshows they would be packed.
I remember him in1989 Tour de l'Abitibi. His teamates too ,Chris Davenport, Hugh MacEachern, Eric Kaiter, MattSuddeth... Bobby Julich won this edition . He won for the second time ,i think he's the only one to win 2 times still today.
You should have Floyd Landis on, I am sure that he would come on.
That would be a great interview. Shortly after winning the 2006 TDF and got busted. I remember he put out a book/autobiography/ claiming his innocence. I met him at one of his book signing back then. Super nice guy. I still have the signed book with 2006 TDF Winner on the cover. It was a good book up until he try’s to explain the failed science and him losing the TDF because of the supposed failed science. It was a bit comical.