@@MrGmooney And a type of EPO that takes 7--14 days depending on person/type of EPO to clear the system before the individuals event takes place. they found barely traces of this substance in him.
Chris, you were known as an energetic, supportive, and jolly guy in the peloton, and now you give us the only possible positive verdict on this era. I am so glad that you are around, and making videos. Oh, and that 2013 Vuelta was incredible. Many thanks!
Chris, I’m a lifelong cycling fan and TDF fan, having grown up in France. Ive had the pleasure of being working with NBC on the Tour for 9 Tours (except last year and this year), chatted with you a couple of time. I still think of this stage 17 as one of the greatest stage in my lifetime, epic regardless of anything else.
I remember following this stage all morning here in the US online. At the time I couldn't believe what was going on, the favorites just couldn't catch Landis. I admit I got caught up in the excitement and didn't think at all about the implications of Landis riding like he was. When the positive test came back a few days later, I second guessed my understanding of cycling. As time went on, I started to realize just how pervasive doping was in cycling at that time especially as the flood of Operacion Puerto revelations kept building throughout 2006. I was definitely naive at the time. These days, we know that essentially the entire peloton was juiced back then. I now feel the judgments levied against Armstrong and Landis were just BUT that many other riders that deserve a similar judgement have not been made to face the music. The whole affair makes me distrust the various organizing bodies and anti-doping organizations and feel that tremendous hypocrisy and omerta about the long history of doping in cycling remains to this day. Riis, Pantani and Ullrich are all still "official" winners of the Tour. No one influential in cycling has publicly questioned the absurd Banesto / Big Mig era of the mid-90s. No one mentions that Merckx failed at least three doping controls. No one has confirmed who "won" the Tours Lance won (because all of the main competitors were on EPO). The whole situation is insane.
Far from the entire peloton was juiced back then. Infamously Christophe Moreau finished 4th in the 2000 tour while being clean and there are way more examples.
@@drunkensailor112 Infamously clean? Why? Because he got caught a couple years earlier, so he wasn't going to do it again? He was connected to Festina and Puerto... I don't give any rider the benefit of the doubt with that history. Better tests = new cheats.
@@RAD6150 Moreau wasn't connected at all to Puerto and it has been confirmed by several sources that you can even read in the documentation against Armstrong that Moreau rode cleanly in 2000 which was the reason why vaughters went to that team for instance
How incredible is it to be able to sit & listen to these stories from some who was there, someone who lived this, someone who was right in the middle of it. Epic. I feel I have a mate who's an ex pro rider, I've gone to his house & he's sharing his experiences. Thanks Chris.
Check this out.... Hidden TH-cam video with Mr. Horner explaining everything that's going to happen today 👍 2006 stage 10 th-cam.com/video/2NBQng1xjcM/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Chris for your amazing recollection of this epic stage...I remember watching on TV and thinking this is the greatest sporting event/stage I have EVER witnessed!
Chris, this is an amazing story! Thank you. I was about to complete in my 2nd commonwealth games in 2006 and at our tune up international the week before, our team captain spoke of Floyd’s performance in his speech to the team the night before at dinner (as rowers, we all love cycling). By the commonwealths the next week, Floyd had tested positive and I will never forget the mixture of humour that my captain’s speech had gone wrong, sorrow and hope for endurance sport and respect for Floyd’s performance when we knew the sport was far from clean. Thank you for taking the time to tell it!!
I remember that stage, it was epic (later tainted by what happened), I love the way Chris Horner tells it from the inside of the race and his job, epic also !
It strikes me, that I just subbed now, been following this channel for years. This is one of the best inside peleton stories I've ever witnessed, incl. 2nd hand reports from the peletons in the golden years in the 1970s. This is plus gold standard. Haven't seen the stage since then, i.e. nearly 17 years from now, but remember every meter now as a TV watcher. But this is on a completely different level. Goose bumps.
Chris, you and Bobke do the best commentating on cycling and are right there with Liggett. Thank you for all you have done for American cycling. You are greatly appreciated by this retired cyclist taking me right back to my days in the peloton.
Amazing,really like the way you tell the race story,i remember thinking,at the time, that history was being made. Had the pleasure to see you race in Vancouver BC ,bitter sweet for you at the time ,i'm sure,but super cool for the fans.Thanks for coming out
I haven't been that entertained listening to a cycling insight for long times , thanks ! you were already exactly as well-spoken as today in these interviews
What a great recap and perspective. I was watching that stage and told my wife "they'll be talking about this stage and Floyd's performance for 50 years."
Thanks so much Chris for sharing that day. From a tough day to one that might not have been as painful, my wife and I watched your Tour de Georgia podium celebration in Atlanta. We were fans from that day on and followed you over the years. Thanks for all of the gutsy rides and winning one for the "old" guys in Spain. Please keep them coming.
Hi Chris. Just fished listening to this for the second time. This time with my wife. An amazing story because it is told by someone there. I am glad to get your outlook on Lance and others. Your reasoning is undeniable. Thank you, John. Oklahoma USA
Incredible storytelling! Thanks, Chris! That was a great refresher. I had missed the live airing that morning and never really looked at the full stage after. Just the recaps and then the fallout.
Thanks for sharing your race stories! Reminds me of how I would re-live my race stories with teammates in college and amateur racing. :) So great! I was so stoked when you faught for the win, and won, at the Giro…inspiring! Thanks Chris!
Free Ranger got it right. I feel like I'm sitting around after a ride, listening to a friend explain his latest Grand Fondo ride. Totally relatable and so much fun. Thanks Chris. Love what you're doing. I actually watch your daily analysis BEFORE the stage. I know it spoils the finish BUT on these flatter stages I love knowing what to look for, whose making the right decisions, whose making the wrong one. I love it.
Man, I was his teammate and could not tell the difference between his I’m almost dropped and going out the back from his I’m going to attack and win the race face. He always looked bad😂😜👍
I looked at OLN’s video coverage on TH-cam when I saw you posted this, and in the last 24 hours it has jumped over 1,000 views. That said in watching the finale you have to believe something was up as Landis arrives at the finish line looking way too fresh. It was epic to watch!
@@ChrisHornerCycling I'm really looking forward to have you as guest speaker on our live/webinar mate! Will love to hear your stories! :-) Looks like it's going to work! The marketing ladies are finishing of the details and should reach out to set a date! :-)
If you think CH is entertaining here, you should to get the privilege of spending hours with him traveling during a stage race. Better than you can imagine.
@@laurarodriguezdiaz6489 LOL Chris is VERY entertaining. The only guy that I ever came across that was close to being as much fun is Geoff Brown, mechanic for all kinds of World Tour teams.
@@laurarodriguezdiaz6489 Over the years I worked with Jittery Joes, Mountain Khakis/Smart Stop, Astellas, Lupus, Happy Tooth, and Hangar 15. Chris was with Lupus when I was with them. He was my co-pilot and I had a great time.
Love your commentary and perspective on this stage. It was definitely needed for the sport. Watching it at the time, it was an amazing spectacle and afterwards it did have the effect of forcing the sport to get more serious about trying to clean itself up. The tactics and grit on that stage were incredible despite the taint.
So glad to see you cover this stage. This is literally my favorite stage of any Tour stage I’ve ever seen. I will never forget this day, I was at work listening to the race and when they said Floyd broke away and was charging up the mountain, I knew something special was happening. I immediately left work without explanation and drove home as fast as possible to get to the TV. I stood in my living room cheering for Floyd and watching the most incredible ride I have ever seen. Floyd dumping water on himself the entire ride, putting time into the pack and descending like a demon on his way to the line. Most amazing performance I have ever seen. Years later after Floyd’s fall from grace, he was riding in the Tour of Missouri on the Ouch team, I was there yelling for Floyd. To this day one of my favorite riders I ever watched along with Robbie McEwen and Tyler Hamilton.
Hey Chris, fellow American 🇺🇸 here (expat living in Italy 🇮🇹now), new 2 your channel and new sub here!!!! In 2017 I rekindled my love affair with cycling and is what has helped keep me sober (since 2010) while still serving in our USAF as a reservist/contractor here. Cycling from these years and during the 90s was HUGELY INFLUENTIAL for the sport both positively and negatively. THANKS FOR YOUR CONTENT💪🇮🇹🇺🇸👍
Wow, Just caught this. This is a Fantastic Story Chris, Thanks for sharing your take on it. Definitely half an hour well spent. I think that you make an important point about Lance/Floyd etc and the Stage.
Chris, I just listened to your "Local Legends" podcast interview, which made me want to jump over here to check out the Butterfly Effect. After watching the Vuelta video and now this, I am hooked. I love the logistic aspects of a pro cycling team. It's not something that most of us weekend warriors are that dialed into. I mean, we understand that each team has various types of riders that will perform well in various types of stages, and that each day the strategy will adjust based on how well various riders are performing, but I love the fact that when your "job" was done, you pulled over and hopped off the bike to take in a snickers and a coke. It's like you rolled up to the AM/PM on PCH in Encinitas and popped inside for some snacks. We can ALL relate to that! Thanks for breaking it down for us!
15:30 You could also have had an excellent career as a diplomat given how you describe the state of the peloton at this point in time 😄. Really appreciate your story!
Wow, great story Chris! I've been a big fan of yours since the RadioShack days and always loved the way your rode and also your interviews. So much respect for what you did in cycling during your the latter years, especially the 2013 Vuelta, of course. I'm so glad I found your channel today and I just subscribed. Keep up the great work, especially story time, I really enjoyed it.
Thanks Chris. Another great story. Well done. I don´t watch nearly as much cycling as I used to - I did watch that day live. Your perspective on it is singular and thought provoking. As a rider that surfed those turbulent times, I always knew you were a clever bloke and respected your body of work as a rider. Now you are back putting color and perspective on the sport. Even on an epic day that was essentially forgotten. In a way you and your side-kick CVV on NBC have rekindled somewhat my interest in the pro side of the sport, and I thank you for that, as those are days I spend with my son, who is a soccer player, but also one of those sports crazy kids that´s like a multi-sport encyclopedia, and, because I still ride mountain and road, cycling is one of his sports. Thanks for your work. Keep it going!
Chris, thank you for the epic race story. Can’t imagine the suffering. I really like the detail and the respect you show for fellow racers in that era. What a time you raced in. Got me into racing. Always love the butterfly effect brother.. keep them coming, peace be with you
Chris, I’ve always loved your enthusiasm and honesty. You are a good and honest soul. This coming weekend I have a tough climbing event and listening/watching your vlogs is like fuel to my soul, a “doping” to my being. Love you brother Chris...
Wonderful Chris - let’s hope the UCI and TDF can develop and show humility for those riders who became scapegoats for the environment every rider found themselves at that time
Coach, Another great video. When I saw the 29 minute length, I didn't think I could go the distance, but, man, it flew by. Lots of great detail. I never put this stage into perspective as far as historical impact on the sport, but yes, you are right about that in your thoughts in the last few minutes. Before this, I would never even consider the idea of "thanking" these guys in a way, but I would surely thank the cycling gods for what transpired here, and the fallout that came from it. Those of us who believe in the sport and the ideal of clean racing need to understand that it has to take a stage like this and all the intricate backstories involved to create the domino effect that eventually changed the landscape of cycling, and for that all of us who believe in the ideal of clean cycling can't help BUT be thankful. The end result is worth it. If not for something so massively distasteful, real change cannot happen. Also, great stuff on Cadel and what it was like working for him and just what surviving that day was like. Much respect. Always love your videos. More stories Captain!!!
Your comment is exactly how I wanted it to be taken and also I believe like you it took these specific and legendary people in cycling at that time to make the change happen. Anything less and it would have been another headline in the papers and soon gone the next week. 👊thanks for the reply.
I think "Floyd tested positive" is a bit of an understatement, I imagine he broke the test. He probably went to his doctor the night before and said: "give me everything you got"
No amount of drugs can turn a mule into a race horse. Everyone on team csc and t mobile were doped to the gills and still got destroyed by Floyd who was simply better and just wanted it more .
@@abone2pickLandis was off the scales in the high doses of testosterone he had taken the night before. +A bag of red blood cells. It was more than enough to turn someone average into a champion in 24 hours.
Drugs at best give you a 5% advantage but in a game of fractions of a percent that's alot. Besides all the top 50 are juicing, thats why they never found anyone clean to give Lance's wins to. Just a charade, nothing more.
I remember watching the stage without any doubt there were peds at play and thinking “Floyd No, that’s too much”. Lance would only do just enough and often yield the stage victory but maintain his time gaps.
What an awesome story Chris, thanks for sharing it and your passion for cycling. It’s so nice to get this inside the race story to help us get an idea of what the race is like. Now hopefully I can find the 2006 TDF to watch the whole race.
Thank you for your analysis. When I read the title I wasn't sure what to think. I only remembered the positive test. When you put it all in perspective, the title makes sense. Now I can go back and watch the stage again and appreciate it for what it was.
Always one of my favorites Chris all the way back to your American years. I'll never forget this epic Landis ride. Thanks for bringing it along with the Corner, Butterfly effect, & now Storytime. Hope we'll get more of these. Love the channel. Keep posting please Brother. You rock!
Thanks for the detail about stopping by the side of the road before finishing the last climb. The fans never get to see what happens after the broadcast says a rider has dropped off the back with their work done for the day.
Hmm, so we got to thank Floyd Landis. If memory serves me Mr. Landis denied the doping allegations until it served him to fess up ( which is a lengthy story in itself). This stage was certainly epic, but only because finally the drug results were not going away. The domino effect was now finally in play. And it would take some time to see the end result no thanks to the riders who denied any culpability. To be sure it got messy. But, it was messy from the beginning, for years prior. Those who dared to speak out what was happening about the doping were laid to waste at this time. Those are the real heroes of the story, as it is true in all stories they were shot down till the house of cards finally came crashing down. And what of the sentencing part of these athletes who passively partook in the sham? Well, that is for the justice system to determine (USADA) who you may argue were complicit for so many years. It's complicated, but not really. Who has the biggest influence on the purse. It was and always has been about the money. And the sport, and the naive athletes who only wanted to ride which they dreamed for so long and hard, are swept up in a glass managerie that thankfully came crashing.
Least Chris has the ass to talk informatively about this era openly and sensibly and that's brilliant if I may say. I was always with all the riders pov at that time. All of them made that era and it was super entertaining and for that I'm truly thankful for their sacrifices! I'll always appreciate Chris and his brilliant blow-by-blow stories.
Love the stories, keep them coming. I remember watching that epic stage. BTW, it's 'let the cat out of the bag', not 'mouse'. Cracked me up with that one.
Late to reply. Huge fan of Chris from his riding to his commentary and spirit. Great guy. I also enjoy his time in Bend. I was born there in the 50s and raised through my 30s. It’s kind of an overrun recreational area now unsurprisingly. Anyway I think it was Chris who actually physically carried a rider up Cascade Lakes hwy in race out side of Bend. That shows to me how great a person he was.
Your channel is the gold standard for ex-pro peloton content: insightful, varied and dynamic. Chapeau!
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Landis was as high as a kite on testosterone
@@MrGmooney And a type of EPO that takes 7--14 days depending on person/type of EPO to clear the system before the individuals event takes place. they found barely traces of this substance in him.
Chris, you were known as an energetic, supportive, and jolly guy in the peloton, and now you give us the only possible positive verdict on this era. I am so glad that you are around, and making videos. Oh, and that 2013 Vuelta was incredible. Many thanks!
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Chris, I’m a lifelong cycling fan and TDF fan, having grown up in France. Ive had the pleasure of being working with NBC on the Tour for 9 Tours (except last year and this year), chatted with you a couple of time.
I still think of this stage 17 as one of the greatest stage in my lifetime, epic regardless of anything else.
I remember following this stage all morning here in the US online. At the time I couldn't believe what was going on, the favorites just couldn't catch Landis. I admit I got caught up in the excitement and didn't think at all about the implications of Landis riding like he was. When the positive test came back a few days later, I second guessed my understanding of cycling. As time went on, I started to realize just how pervasive doping was in cycling at that time especially as the flood of Operacion Puerto revelations kept building throughout 2006. I was definitely naive at the time. These days, we know that essentially the entire peloton was juiced back then. I now feel the judgments levied against Armstrong and Landis were just BUT that many other riders that deserve a similar judgement have not been made to face the music. The whole affair makes me distrust the various organizing bodies and anti-doping organizations and feel that tremendous hypocrisy and omerta about the long history of doping in cycling remains to this day. Riis, Pantani and Ullrich are all still "official" winners of the Tour. No one influential in cycling has publicly questioned the absurd Banesto / Big Mig era of the mid-90s. No one mentions that Merckx failed at least three doping controls. No one has confirmed who "won" the Tours Lance won (because all of the main competitors were on EPO). The whole situation is insane.
Nicely written
It's not insane. It's hipocritical.
That day though, at the moment, what a fucking ride!
Far from the entire peloton was juiced back then. Infamously Christophe Moreau finished 4th in the 2000 tour while being clean and there are way more examples.
@@drunkensailor112 Infamously clean? Why? Because he got caught a couple years earlier, so he wasn't going to do it again? He was connected to Festina and Puerto... I don't give any rider the benefit of the doubt with that history. Better tests = new cheats.
@@RAD6150 Moreau wasn't connected at all to Puerto and it has been confirmed by several sources that you can even read in the documentation against Armstrong that Moreau rode cleanly in 2000 which was the reason why vaughters went to that team for instance
You have a photographic memory of rides you've done. Amazing.
Rob, It has amazed me for years how athletes remember details from specific situations they have been in. I love hearing those!
@@tmelendezmia except for the concussion. That kinda scared me at the time.
I think you tend to remember those moments in life that were supremely difficult whether mentally or physically.
Watched this stage live and you knew it was special - which it remains albeit different reasons
Thank you for sharing the inside stories so eloquently
How incredible is it to be able to sit & listen to these stories from some who was there, someone who lived this, someone who was right in the middle of it. Epic. I feel I have a mate who's an ex pro rider, I've gone to his house & he's sharing his experiences. Thanks Chris.
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I have interviewed Chris and he is really like that. Super nice guy that shares such amazing insight and his success speaks for itself.
@@briansmallwood4095 absolutely!
God I love Chris’ stories.
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I agree, Chris is a very natural storyteller who also was a very good cyclist.
Check this out.... Hidden TH-cam video with Mr. Horner explaining everything that's going to happen today 👍 2006 stage 10
th-cam.com/video/2NBQng1xjcM/w-d-xo.html
Cadel giving you props like that will stay with you forever.
Oh no, "The Mouse is out of the Bag" HAHAHAHA--Another reason why I love CH's Story Time. Keep 'em coming.
Thanks Chris for your amazing recollection of this epic stage...I remember watching on TV and thinking this is the greatest sporting event/stage I have EVER witnessed!
I feel guilty that I’m getting such great content for free off TH-cam. This could be a 30 for 30 special on espn. Great video Chris!
That is for sure. I just recently discovered Chris Horner’s online content and it is enthralling.
Thank you Chris!
YT Premium is nice.. No adverts ;)
Chris, your first hand accounts are phenomenal. Thank you so much for sharing them with us!
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You are so right about this being a turning point and props for standing by your friends.
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I remember watching this epic stage. Thanks for the great insight Chris.
Me too..and I knew his performance was more artificially enhanced than the rest of the peleton...Vive le tour
This is the best episode Chris Horner has ever done, he really gets into everything that was going on at the time, totally agree with his viewpoint!
I’ve been following bike racing since 2003 and this was the most epic stage of all time. We’ll never see anything else like it.
Yes I watched it too with my jaw on the floor. I swear he laid rubber for the first few hundred metres.
What about Froom on Giro 2018 stage 19?
Chiappucci in 1992 at sestrieres was pretty insane, too.
I remember this stage and this tour.. it was a big blow to my enthusiasm towards the sport..
More videos like this please Chris! Helps me pass the time until the snow melts and I can ride again!
A privilege to hear you share your experience; thank you for taking the time to put this out.
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This has to be one of the greatest stories, greatest insight ever told in cycling. Amazing Chris, absolutely riveting.
Good thing I got off work early so I could listen to story time with Chris! Fantastic job covering that stage thanks for sharing!
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Great story & Cadel really seems like a good guy!
Cheers Chris
Chris, good work, you should make these available on podcasts!
Chris, I remember this stage! It was incredible. I will never forget this day.
Chris, this is an amazing story! Thank you. I was about to complete in my 2nd commonwealth games in 2006 and at our tune up international the week before, our team captain spoke of Floyd’s performance in his speech to the team the night before at dinner (as rowers, we all love cycling). By the commonwealths the next week, Floyd had tested positive and I will never forget the mixture of humour that my captain’s speech had gone wrong, sorrow and hope for endurance sport and respect for Floyd’s performance when we knew the sport was far from clean. Thank you for taking the time to tell it!!
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I remember that stage, it was epic (later tainted by what happened), I love the way Chris Horner tells it from the inside of the race and his job, epic also !
It strikes me, that I just subbed now, been following this channel for years.
This is one of the best inside peleton stories I've ever witnessed, incl. 2nd hand reports from the peletons in the golden years in the 1970s. This is plus gold standard. Haven't seen the stage since then, i.e. nearly 17 years from now, but remember every meter now as a TV watcher. But this is on a completely different level. Goose bumps.
Thank you for immersive storytelling, I feel like I'm at the race chasing too :):):)
Chris, you and Bobke do the best commentating on cycling and are right there with Liggett. Thank you for all you have done for American cycling. You are greatly appreciated by this retired cyclist taking me right back to my days in the peloton.
Chris, I could listen to these stories all day long! Great job!
Amazing,really like the way you tell the race story,i remember thinking,at the time, that history was being made.
Had the pleasure to see you race in Vancouver BC ,bitter sweet for you at the time ,i'm sure,but super cool for the fans.Thanks for coming out
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I haven't been that entertained listening to a cycling insight for long times , thanks ! you were already exactly as well-spoken as today in these interviews
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Just rewatched this stage. This along with your "Story" really changed how all this went down! Thanks !
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What a great recap and perspective. I was watching that stage and told my wife "they'll be talking about this stage and Floyd's performance for 50 years."
Love Horner's take on bike racing. Amazing how gracious he is given his own career was probably hurt by his competition's doping.
Great storytelling Chris! So much fun just listening about your racing days!
Thanks so much Chris for sharing that day. From a tough day to one that might not have been as painful, my wife and I watched your Tour de Georgia podium celebration in Atlanta. We were fans from that day on and followed you over the years. Thanks for all of the gutsy rides and winning one for the "old" guys in Spain. Please keep them coming.
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Horner & McEwen hands down best story tellers from the Tour.
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couldn't agree more
Yeah I’d agree with that Harley
Hello durian rider, how are you?
All the the sugar and all the food you can bring me! Love it! Epic!
Hi Chris. Just fished listening to this for the second time. This time with my wife. An amazing story because it is told by someone there. I am glad to get your outlook on Lance and others. Your reasoning is undeniable. Thank you, John. Oklahoma USA
Great story Chris. I remembered this stage as if it was yesterday
Incredible storytelling! Thanks, Chris! That was a great refresher. I had missed the live airing that morning and never really looked at the full stage after. Just the recaps and then the fallout.
Awesome segment. You've got the best stories. Bonus that you're a really good storyteller. Chapeau.
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I just watched this video again. It's awesome Chris. Thanks for posting it. I found another video with a bunch of interviews, it's a great watch.
"Crushed guys souls " that was a great line. I've been on a couple soul crushing rides ,lol. great story.
Thanks Chris. Inside info was great and love your attitude on the sport as a whole. Back then and now.
Next story Tour de Basque and working for Contador. Epic!
Sounds like a good episode. 👊
Thanks for sharing your race stories! Reminds me of how I would re-live my race stories with teammates in college and amateur racing. :) So great! I was so stoked when you faught for the win, and won, at the Giro…inspiring! Thanks Chris!
What a great breakdown, thank you! Always been a fan of you.
Free Ranger got it right. I feel like I'm sitting around after a ride, listening to a friend explain his latest Grand Fondo ride. Totally relatable and so much fun. Thanks Chris. Love what you're doing. I actually watch your daily analysis BEFORE the stage. I know it spoils the finish BUT on these flatter stages I love knowing what to look for, whose making the right decisions, whose making the wrong one. I love it.
Cadel always looked in pain, Chris always looked happy O/O°
Man, I was his teammate and could not tell the difference between his I’m almost dropped and going out the back from his I’m going to attack and win the race face. He always looked bad😂😜👍
Fabulous commentary. I can visualize the stage without even needing the video. Wonderful Chris! 10 out of 10
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I looked at OLN’s video coverage on TH-cam when I saw you posted this, and in the last 24 hours it has jumped over 1,000 views.
That said in watching the finale you have to believe something was up as Landis arrives at the finish line looking way too fresh. It was epic to watch!
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Man, this is one of you best videos!!! What a great talent to tell these stories!!!
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@@ChrisHornerCycling I'm really looking forward to have you as guest speaker on our live/webinar mate! Will love to hear your stories! :-) Looks like it's going to work! The marketing ladies are finishing of the details and should reach out to set a date! :-)
If you think CH is entertaining here, you should to get the privilege of spending hours with him traveling during a stage race. Better than you can imagine.
Chris' analysis of a race/stage is second to none, even gassed at the finishing line of a tough uphill finish. Truly amazing.
Green with envy
@@laurarodriguezdiaz6489 LOL Chris is VERY entertaining. The only guy that I ever came across that was close to being as much fun is Geoff Brown, mechanic for all kinds of World Tour teams.
How do you get that?
@@laurarodriguezdiaz6489 Over the years I worked with Jittery Joes, Mountain Khakis/Smart Stop, Astellas, Lupus, Happy Tooth, and Hangar 15. Chris was with Lupus when I was with them. He was my co-pilot and I had a great time.
Love your commentary and perspective on this stage. It was definitely needed for the sport. Watching it at the time, it was an amazing spectacle and afterwards it did have the effect of forcing the sport to get more serious about trying to clean itself up. The tactics and grit on that stage were incredible despite the taint.
So glad to see you cover this stage. This is literally my favorite stage of any Tour stage I’ve ever seen. I will never forget this day, I was at work listening to the race and when they said Floyd broke away and was charging up the mountain, I knew something special was happening. I immediately left work without explanation and drove home as fast as possible to get to the TV. I stood in my living room cheering for Floyd and watching the most incredible ride I have ever seen. Floyd dumping water on himself the entire ride, putting time into the pack and descending like a demon on his way to the line. Most amazing performance I have ever seen. Years later after Floyd’s fall from grace, he was riding in the Tour of Missouri on the Ouch team, I was there yelling for Floyd. To this day one of my favorite riders I ever watched along with Robbie McEwen and Tyler Hamilton.
Floyd’s got a good heart.
Chris, thank you for sharing. These kind of details are far better than just watching a broadcast video with the commentators talking
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Thank you - this sport is like music - the more I learn the more I want to know.
Hey Chris, fellow American 🇺🇸 here (expat living in Italy 🇮🇹now), new 2 your channel and new sub here!!!! In 2017 I rekindled my love affair with cycling and is what has helped keep me sober (since 2010) while still serving in our USAF as a reservist/contractor here. Cycling from these years and during the 90s was HUGELY INFLUENTIAL for the sport both positively and negatively. THANKS FOR YOUR CONTENT💪🇮🇹🇺🇸👍
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Wow, Just caught this. This is a Fantastic Story Chris, Thanks for sharing your take on it. Definitely half an hour well spent. I think that you make an important point about Lance/Floyd etc and the Stage.
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Chris, I just listened to your "Local Legends" podcast interview, which made me want to jump over here to check out the Butterfly Effect. After watching the Vuelta video and now this, I am hooked. I love the logistic aspects of a pro cycling team. It's not something that most of us weekend warriors are that dialed into. I mean, we understand that each team has various types of riders that will perform well in various types of stages, and that each day the strategy will adjust based on how well various riders are performing, but I love the fact that when your "job" was done, you pulled over and hopped off the bike to take in a snickers and a coke. It's like you rolled up to the AM/PM on PCH in Encinitas and popped inside for some snacks. We can ALL relate to that! Thanks for breaking it down for us!
15:30 You could also have had an excellent career as a diplomat given how you describe the state of the peloton at this point in time 😄. Really appreciate your story!
"It's...not even"
Amazing stories, analysis, perspectives, straight from a man who was creating history. Thanks. Excellent.
durianrider brought me here. I agree with durianrider, Horners channel is a gem. He is insanely entertaining with his story time videos.
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Wow, great story Chris! I've been a big fan of yours since the RadioShack days and always loved the way your rode and also your interviews. So much respect for what you did in cycling during your the latter years, especially the 2013 Vuelta, of course. I'm so glad I found your channel today and I just subscribed. Keep up the great work, especially story time, I really enjoyed it.
Will do. I’m behind here in January but will get on it very soon. 👍
I Love "Super Domestique story Time" You are an Honorary Aussie for services rendered to Cadel!
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Thanks Chris. Another great story. Well done. I don´t watch nearly as much cycling as I used to - I did watch that day live. Your perspective on it is singular and thought provoking. As a rider that surfed those turbulent times, I always knew you were a clever bloke and respected your body of work as a rider. Now you are back putting color and perspective on the sport. Even on an epic day that was essentially forgotten. In a way you and your side-kick CVV on NBC have rekindled somewhat my interest in the pro side of the sport, and I thank you for that, as those are days I spend with my son, who is a soccer player, but also one of those sports crazy kids that´s like a multi-sport encyclopedia, and, because I still ride mountain and road, cycling is one of his sports. Thanks for your work. Keep it going!
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Love the story times Chris
Chris, thank you for the epic race story. Can’t imagine the suffering. I really like the detail and the respect you show for fellow racers in that era. What a time you raced in. Got me into racing. Always love the butterfly effect brother.. keep them coming, peace be with you
Can’t wait for the season to get going again. 👊
A great quote from the commentators "If Michael Rasmussen can do it yesterday, why not Floyd today?"
Haha...same answer of course !
@@Peakabike LMFAO....
Only that it was not the same - the way they stepped of their bikes...
Chris, I’ve always loved your enthusiasm and honesty. You are a good and honest soul. This coming weekend I have a tough climbing event and listening/watching your vlogs is like fuel to my soul, a “doping” to my being.
Love you brother Chris...
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"As much sugar and food as you can bring me" haha so true.
Sugar all day long. 😜
load me up, doc
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Wonderful Chris - let’s hope the UCI and TDF can develop and show humility for those riders who became scapegoats for the environment every rider found themselves at that time
Coach,
Another great video. When I saw the 29 minute length, I didn't think I could go the distance, but, man, it flew by. Lots of great detail. I never put this stage into perspective as far as historical impact on the sport, but yes, you are right about that in your thoughts in the last few minutes. Before this, I would never even consider the idea of "thanking" these guys in a way, but I would surely thank the cycling gods for what transpired here, and the fallout that came from it. Those of us who believe in the sport and the ideal of clean racing need to understand that it has to take a stage like this and all the intricate backstories involved to create the domino effect that eventually changed the landscape of cycling, and for that all of us who believe in the ideal of clean cycling can't help BUT be thankful. The end result is worth it. If not for something so massively distasteful, real change cannot happen. Also, great stuff on Cadel and what it was like working for him and just what
surviving that day was like. Much respect. Always love your videos. More stories Captain!!!
Your comment is exactly how I wanted it to be taken and also I believe like you it took these specific and legendary people in cycling at that time to make the change happen. Anything less and it would have been another headline in the papers and soon gone the next week. 👊thanks for the reply.
Thanks Chris, appreciated you as a racer, and now your knowledge, and your great videos!
I think "Floyd tested positive" is a bit of an understatement, I imagine he broke the test. He probably went to his doctor the night before and said: "give me everything you got"
No amount of drugs can turn a mule into a race horse. Everyone on team csc and t mobile were doped to the gills and still got destroyed by Floyd who was simply better and just wanted it more .
@@abone2pickLandis was off the scales in the high doses of testosterone he had taken the night before. +A bag of red blood cells. It was more than enough to turn someone average into a champion in 24 hours.
Come on, it was only a smallish suitcase full of drugs.
Drugs at best give you a 5% advantage but in a game of fractions of a percent that's alot. Besides all the top 50 are juicing, thats why they never found anyone clean to give Lance's wins to. Just a charade, nothing more.
@@holmbjerg all the pros were doing the same regiment. Blood doping and micro dosing testosterone for recovery.
Love hearing your stories and tactical insight. Best on the web in my opinion!!
I remember watching the stage without any doubt there were peds at play and thinking “Floyd No, that’s too much”. Lance would only do just enough and often yield the stage victory but maintain his time gaps.
I don’t have any problem with peds being at play tbh. It was great racing at the time and everyone was on a level playing field
Hautacam 2000? Lol.
@@blackmamba3060 the most underrated performance of Lance career it never gets brought up enough
Put like 3 minutes into everyone that day
Very cool to hear this story from the "inside". Watched the stage and remember it very clearly, epic!
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What an awesome story Chris, thanks for sharing it and your passion for cycling. It’s so nice to get this inside the race story to help us get an idea of what the race is like. Now hopefully I can find the 2006 TDF to watch the whole race.
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Thank you for your analysis. When I read the title I wasn't sure what to think. I only remembered the positive test. When you put it all in perspective, the title makes sense. Now I can go back and watch the stage again and appreciate it for what it was.
You're thanking the wrong people. USADA is who deserves thanks from the younger generation.
Always one of my favorites Chris all the way back to your American years. I'll never forget this epic Landis ride. Thanks for bringing it along with the Corner, Butterfly effect, & now Storytime. Hope we'll get more of these. Love the channel. Keep posting please Brother. You rock!
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Chris, I really love hearing these epic cycling stories from your POV and you have an amazing memory. Please keep making content!
Thanks for sharing your experience of this stage. I loved watching it at the time, but it is great hearing your insider's info. Champion mate.
I remember watching this. Notice the heads of the riders when he passed everyone. They were turning quickly.
Very interesting insights, thanks for sharing these stories and anecdotes! brofist from Germany
This is such an awesome video, great work Chris. Would love to see more story time style videos like this. Such great insight and very entertaining
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Thanks for the detail about stopping by the side of the road before finishing the last climb. The fans never get to see what happens after the broadcast says a rider has dropped off the back with their work done for the day.
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Hmm, so we got to thank Floyd Landis. If memory serves me Mr. Landis denied the doping allegations until it served him to fess up ( which is a lengthy story in itself). This stage was certainly epic, but only because finally the drug results were not going away. The domino effect was now finally in play. And it would take some time to see the end result no thanks to the riders who denied any culpability. To be sure it got messy. But, it was messy from the beginning, for years prior. Those who dared to speak out what was happening about the doping were laid to waste at this time. Those are the real heroes of the story, as it is true in all stories they were shot down till the house of cards finally came crashing down. And what of the sentencing part of these athletes who passively partook in the sham? Well, that is for the justice system to determine (USADA) who you may argue were complicit for so many years. It's complicated, but not really. Who has the biggest influence on the purse. It was and always has been about the money. And the sport, and the naive athletes who only wanted to ride which they dreamed for so long and hard, are swept up in a glass managerie that thankfully came crashing.
Least Chris has the ass to talk informatively about this era openly and sensibly and that's brilliant if I may say. I was always with all the riders pov at that time. All of them made that era and it was super entertaining and for that I'm truly thankful for their sacrifices! I'll always appreciate Chris and his brilliant blow-by-blow stories.
(long pause) "...how riders were preparing for races" - interesting way to describe the situation.
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Great video Chris, so glad I came across your channel, liked and subscribed. Really missed you on the tour this year. Cheers
Love the stories, keep them coming. I remember watching that epic stage. BTW, it's 'let the cat out of the bag', not 'mouse'. Cracked me up with that one.
Hehehe. Right after I said it I was thinking. I’m going to get hit in the comments for that one. 😂👊
AMAZING CHRIS ! - THE SPORT HAS TO THANKS EVERY THAT HAPPENED ON THIS DAY STAGE FOR SURE!
“Could crash, or worse... get a flat tire...” 😳😳😳
Late to reply. Huge fan of Chris from his riding to his commentary and spirit. Great guy. I also enjoy his time in Bend. I was born there in the 50s and raised through my 30s. It’s kind of an overrun recreational area now unsurprisingly. Anyway I think it was Chris who actually physically carried a rider up Cascade Lakes hwy in race out side of Bend. That shows to me how great a person he was.
Great perspective Chris. People need to talk about this. Thanks!
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Epic. Thanks SO much, Chris! Love you & love your insights.