The Lord of the Rings | The Two Towers Revisited - The Nerd Soup Podcast!
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Beau & Aaron revisit The Two Towers, the middle chapter in the legendary Lord of the Rings movie trilogy.
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Gosh I needed this today. Thank you.
Hey, so I won't get notified via TH-cam anymore? I am on Twitter, but not constantly and I don't get notifications on Twitter except on one platform.
Can’t believe you guys haven’t reviewed Spartacus yet.
Me: You’re late.
Nerd Soup: A podcast is never late, nor is it early. It arrives precisely when it means to.
Serkis not having won an Oscar is a crime against cinema. Either for LoTR or the Apes franchise. Both incredible performances.
And king Kong
@@wizza78 Yeah King Kong too
It’s wholesome to hear the enthusiasm in your voices while discussing Lord of the Rings. These are my favourite films. They never fail to put me in a good mood.
The score, use of practical effects and the New Zealand landscape elevate these films from good to great.
Every time Bo says “Aragon” instead of Aragorn, I cry
A real friend would have corrected me.
@@NerdSoup You slaughtered Max von Sydow's name for quite awhile, and I got over it. It's okay. Intent is all. You love my boy, I love you. But Aaron, it's Ballrog, not Ballrag...
Erni3K I was gonna say that one too. It’s okay, I was just being hyperbolic.
Nerd Soup also, Wormtongue’s real name is Grima Worm. Theodin calls him by his real name right before he dies.
in fairness, he gets it just right on the very first try lol
Hey guys, just an FYI, that’s the poster to Return of the King
Forgive my “Um actually”
I was gonna say something too lol
I love that armor on Aragorn
I love how much I learned GOT stuff from these fellas, and how much stuff they need to learn from me on LOTR.
And these were Orlando Blooms first movies. He did a pretty good job for someone straight out of film school.
Black Hawk Down wasn't his first role?
YES. I was wondering if you guys were ever gonna continue this. Made my day
"Go ahead, make my day, sucker"
"Do not be so quick to deal out death and judgment". That why he let worm tongue live man.
I love how these guys probably could do a whole video in valerian, but when it comes to middle earth the are like "the things that ride on the other things" and "they go to that one city - oslath? "Close enough" :D
You have met the Elf that arrived at Helms deep before. Hes from Lorien
Haldiiiiir
He's the elf that trash talks Gimli when the elves find them in the forest in Fellowship of the Ring
His name is haldir.
2:49 My favorite part of the movie was when Gandalf fought the Ball Rag
It's sad when the elves die because you know they could have lived forever but chose to fight and risk death
I think it’s more a case of Legolas not really having much to do than Bloom being bad. If all your role is saying one line a scene and shooting a bow and arrow for the rest there isn’t much acting you can do
Legalos is my favorite character in Lotr. The fact that he went solo away from the safety and comforts of the Elves, he’s the best archer in all the lands and he looks awesome make him badass in my book.. Regardless of however many lines he had
Idk where I heard this but the filmmakers do a great job of showing a lot of aerial shots of helms deep to show the layout so even in the chaos of the battle you know where everything is. Sometimes battles in buildings can be kind of disorienting in a bad way
King Theodans character progression is underrated as F
Few minutes in brodogs.
ts not a Balrag, that would be a cloth you wash your balls with. It's a Balrog, ROG not RAG.
Bit later ya'll describe Haldir as a new character despite him being the lead elf the fellowship meets in Lothlorien, the only one with speaking lines outside of Celeborn and Galadriel. So when we see Haldir again, more warm and helpful to the Fellowship than our initial meeting, it is a audience reward if not a canon book fact.
34:10 When i read the books the parts with the orcs were one of the most interesting parts of the book. Seeing the other side is great and they are always interesting to see what they will do. Pippin tricks an orc into freeing him by talking like Gollum, the mutiny in cirth ungol over who would get Frodo belongings, and the uruk hai march at the beginning with there conversation and why they are doing it.
the line Sam says "By rights, we shouldn't even be here" actually has a hidden dual meaning: in the book, Frodo and Sam never actually go to Osgiliath. They added it as a side quest to the movie. So it's true that they actually shouldn't be there as per canon.
11:06 just _thinking_ about Samwise in these movies brings a tear to my eye; he was def the true hero
It is very complex. It's not just each character has a role to play. They play off each other. They are a lot of character archs (some more in depth than other). And the book opens them up even more. It is so well done that those who only see what's on the surface still like it but looking beyond the surface is a whole new world.
Monkey, I am SO glad you brought up the ent diving in the water to put out the flame. So funny.
Except it used to annoy me back in the day because I had a friend who would constantly bring that part up.
Even years later someone would randomly say an LOTR line he'd be like "remember the ent diving in the water! Hahabohohohohhehe"
....yea man....I remember
Wow this is amazing timing, I legit just rewatched the Two Towers 2 days ago. It was even better than I remembered it being. True masterpiece.
Orlando Bloom is the perfect Legolas... dude is just the most conventionally attractive man out there which really makes him believable as an elf, and he barely has any lines anyway.
Man Sam’s speech near the end hits the feels every time
Favorite books/movies of all time. I had a stupid grin on my face while watching this, hearing the excitement in your voices! Great video, can't wait for the return of the king
In fairness, Legolas is a pretty reserved elf isn't he? Maybe Orlando Bloom wasn't supposed to be super emotive in this?
Which, thinking about it, also in fairness, is the perfect role for Orlando Bloom xD hahaha.
It indeed is, although Legolas basically is the token to show us how most elves are. The whole point is that the age of the elves is fading, hence the elf takes more of a background role in the fellowship, Gimli having more in common with the rest (mortality, closer in age) and also being the token dwarf takes more spotlight. I think the actually did a good job portraying Legolas as only taking Gandalf and Aragorn seriously in fellowship.
Can we please get Teddy to listen to the audiobooks of the Lord of the rings, Silmarillion, and the hobbit. I think would be hilarious if he was just the Podcasts expert on all things sort of the rings and would be correct and you guys on mic about your LOTR finer details
Needed this so bad! I feel lost after a week with no podcast
"the soccer player Hulk" as an European i'm impressed with the knowledge
I know this is days old and perhaps some mentioned this, but the difference with the *Gollum* performance in this film versus later mocap (as I understand it) the animators actually created *Gollum's* every expression. Like someone would in an animated film. Not necessarily pulling data from dots on *Andy's* face, as they do today.
... then why the hell did Andy have dots on his face??
While it is true that mocap has gotten much, much better at mapping human faces onto inhuman CGI models over time, Serkis shouldn't be excluded for being the actor that pioneered this technique. Gollum is a mix between mocap and "original" CGI. They also used mixed techniques for filming him, with Andy being present on set and filming multiple interactions with and without Andy so that the animators knew how to place Gollum in the shot. They had Andy in full mocap gear for the solo-Gollum shots (like close-ups of his face), but didn't have the technique/technology to integrate motion capture on set with the other actors.
Ffs Weta Workshop, with Andy Serkis, were basically inventing motion capture film-making. They pioneered many of the techniques that have become industry standard. The fact that Gollum still holds up as believable is nothing short of a goddamn miracle!
@@trequor I didn't say this definitely. I _"as I understand it."_ It's what I learned from a BTS documentary. Here's corroborating info from a separate source.¹ ┓
The facial animation system built brought _much of_ *Andy Serkis’* outstanding performance into the *Gollum* character. But these were still early days yet.
_The system Raitt and his team wound up developing leverages a technique Raitt terms “combination sculpting,” which implemented 964 control points on the model of _*_Gollum’s_*_ face, allowing Raitt and his team very detailed control of _*_Gollum’s_*_ facial movements. The _*_Gollum_*_ head model consisted of just over 2,600 polygons, mostly quads. Raitt also created tools that exposed 64 control points to animation artists, who then animated _*_Gollum_*_ into the film’s scenes. _*_Unlike some other facial animation systems, such as the one used in Shrek, Raitt and his team did not use a musculoskeletal animation system to create Gollum’s expressions, but instead created many of them by hand.²_*
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*¹ ─ Source:*
www.extremetech.com/gaming/55934-the-making-of-gollum
*²* ─ I was simply making reference to this fact.
Best surprise drop yet
Two Towers is my favorite LoTR movie. Stakes are raised from Fellowship, but not as over the top as Return. It's the only movie I've ever watched 3 times in the theater.
It's also mega quotable.
Just about to go to Sleep.... Oh Well
Therapist: Its okay Nerdsoup Tolkien pronunciation can't hurt you, its okay
Nerdsoup Tolkien Pronunciation: Bulrag
YES! Blessing us with this 🙌🏼 Thanks guys. Btw though, that's the poster The Return of the King lol
13 minutes in--I agree the scenery and the ppl tracking across the landscape is great but ... are y'al going to mention the music? Goosebumps Everytime!
Thanks guys
Great commentary, guys!
Great video...look up how to pronounce names though. Y'all are killing me with Balrag and Shmegal
Eomor somehow stuck with more than anything else :D
The "bull-rag" killed me inside
I feel like they did this on purpose. No way they sat through all 3 movies and still can't pronounce names by ROTK
@@frantictoast3741 Yeah but there are some people that are simply unable to recreate the sounds they hear other people say. Like their brain doesn't store the information on pronunciation for whatever reason
subscribed for game of thrones but definitely staying for lord of the ring. My all-time favorite trilogy and i don't think we would have got GoT without it. I'm SOOO excited for you guys to dive into this stuff and do HIGHLY recommend looking into the book lore that addresses a lot of the stuff you talked and adds so much context to what happens ion the movies. Keep up the good work guys!
I always identified with Sauron and the Witch King. Lol 😂
I really really want to rewatch the movies now. Great podcast!!
I love this thank you guys
Great review fellas
Didn’t they meet that elf captain in Fellowship? He’s the one who escorted them to the forest center, yeah?
I don’t think haldir was a commander of sorts, but I do think he guarded the border in the wars of the north
Anyone who says LOTR is not as complex as GoT hasn't done their reading. The lore and languages and history of these stories are incredible. There is a ton in the appendices and The Simarillion that paint the broader landscape.
In case the nerd soup is interested in Middle Earth backgroud without having to do Middle Earth research...
Tolkien wrote what essential is an entire religion and tells how life came to be on Middle Earth. The Hobbit and Lord of the rings are stories that take place within the history of middle earth. Long story short there are 2 main continents discussed, Aman (Valinor) and Middle Earth. The "Angels" (Valar) that were in "Heaven" Left heaven and eventually settled in Valinor. The "Lucifer" character (Melkor) also left heaven and was always at war with the Valar. After a time at least 5 spirits (Maiar) were sent from Valinor to Middle Earth to assist its inhabitants in defense of Sauran (Melkor's top Lieutenant). At that point Middle Earth was populated with man, elves, dwarves, hobbits, etc. The Maiar that were sent to Middle Earth took the form of old men intentionally to weaken them as to not be able to win the battle for Middle Earth outright for the inhabitants of Middle Earth. Gandalf was one of these Maiar, along with Saruman and Radagast. Gandalf roamed Middle Earth for approximately 2000 years leading up to the events of The Lord of the rings books. Therefore when Gandalf the grey died and came back as Gandalf the white It was just his form he took in Middle Earth that died. He came back as the same Maiar spirit but this time with slightly greater power to assist in fighting Saruman.
Lol! I'm in the middle of rewatching LOTR! Thanks!
Thanks Nerd Soup. Despite the Ents, this is the most grounded film. Has a real medieval feel to it. The Battle of Helms Deep is still epic.
I still stand my ground in saying that the theatricals are better. Especially the Two Towers theatrical edition.
@History Eraser Button dude it was sick he fucking shreds broooo
These movies were Orlando Blooms first movie roles...what a hit!
Orlando Bloom was born to play legolas no other actor could fit into that roll
Yes!!!! So good. Xxx
im almost positive this was the last movie i watched on vhs. i was blackout drunk, but kinda sobered up because i had to rewind the 3hr movie. that was a week ago. come to realize, i think i was flipping through a medieval themed coloring book.
Nice breakdown gentlemen. The books are amazing
Whenever I watch your GoT videos I learn so much about lore. This video tho... the nerd in me was dying and laughing throughout this. Haha
"a lot of people criticized LOTR for not being complex when Game of Thrones got really popular"- thank you, because I am always trying to convince people that LOTR is definitely not the traditional fantasy series that they probably have in mind. heck, the hero of the story is a peaceful hobbit who fails at his task, and essentially chooses to die at the end because he knows he will never really feel at home again after everything he's been through. there's a lot of ways in which LOTR is not as traditional and predictable as most people think
@History Eraser Button yes I have read the books and sort of wish they had included the scouring of the shire in the movies, but what can ya do
GOT imo is more complex and detailed with its many plotlines, but everyone can write around in circles/into corners and adding new stuff over and over. The actual art is to still actually get to an ending, a balance between complexity and closure, something the show did badly and GRRM apparently struggles with, while Tolkien did a marvellous job which Jackson carefully translated, dropping certain elements (Bombadil, Druedain) to produce a cohesive, streamlined, narrative without oversimplifying it.
As long as ASOIAF isn't finished, there isn't even a need to compare.
The ball rag? Lol
Awesome discussion! Can’t WAIT for you guys to do one on The Last of Us 2!
Oh HELL yeah...
I love when you guys review an old movie. I know your busy but if u could do 2 maybe 3 a month thatd be an awesome bonus. Love the regular podcast. I remember i found you guys cuz of GOT. When that ended i thought well this podcast is gonna suck. It is now at least top 3 podcast for me. N i listen to alot of mainstream podcasts. The chemistry is awesome. You can tell you guys would be doing this without the PC. Keep it up. Too bad your NY sports fans. E A G L E S... EAGLES!
Good stuff boys
Gandalf is immortal. He is a Maiar and was brought back by the Valar and used his original body/vessel rather than taking control of Sarumon as he was the original white wizard.
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The thing is they were at their lowest at the start of this movie, the whole movie was too build a stronger coalition, whereas frodo's arc is at their "lowest" although his story really never gets better
Space is canon low key slays me
I agree Wormtongue should not have been let off the hook. Even in modern times he wouldn't have made it out
im glad gimli didnt get turned into a complete comedic relief they did a good job showing his wisdom too.
''What can men do against such reckless hate?''
Wait, Beau doesn’t know that the family that shows up in the middle of the space battle in the Family Guy Star Wars special was the Griswalds from National Lampoons Vacation??!! They were referencing the scene in which they get lost in a neighborhood in St. Louis on their way to Wally World.
That thumbnail tho!!!
Ah yes when Gandalf fought the...Ball-rag
Those are wolves they're riding. Or rather, Wargs.
Thank you for this. Thank you for the Revisited Cut. Thank you for The Last of Us Review. Please... If you could review The Last of Us Part II when you can. Take your time though, I'm close to the end of my playthrough and I got it day one. Taking it slow and savoring it lol this is the best game I've played in like 4-5 years!
Does Wormtongue have a real name? Yes! It’s Gríma! Theoden even days his name in Return of the King!
Gandalf fighting the ballrag? What movie did you watch? :D
Ballrag used scrotum whip.
@@arandurion you shall not TAINT this place!
Two Towers is the best one. Fight me. You'll end up like Saruman's army.
Without a doubt. "Return of the King" gets all the accolades, but Two Towers is the anchor & most ingeniously executed.
I wonder how it would've gone down if Sam was the ring bearer and frodo was the help.
Lmao @29.80 Aaron is just trying to talk about the movie and Bo Keeps interrupting to talk about how much he doesn’t like Orlando bloom.
Aaron said Gandalf fought a ballrag? Hahah
Did you guys do the theatrical or extended? Sounds like maybe theatrical. Just curious! Thanks!
Now I really want to watch Ork soccer🙂
Hello Two Towers my old friend
Aaron! It’s Sméagol not SHmeagol!! Sorry I’m such a huge LOTR fan
Aaron king of Gundor 🙄😁
I don't like how Aaron pronounces Sméagol like he's Cardi B
I love Nerd Soup but guys out of all the pictures you could ha r used you used the wallpaper of Return of the King 😂😂
High fantasy? As opposed to low fantasy?
Most readers favor 1 or 3 but for me this one has it all, I love that the heroic moments are earned and the end fills me with hope for a better world theirs and ours. Young me left the theater with a bright smile because good is worth fighting for. Thanks for the content 👏👏👏 and please, do read to become even more invested in the characters journeys and to cry more, tho not all tears are an evil...
I really love you guys. I don't love your pronunciation of some of the character's names though.
Wait when was Fellowship?
Kinda sad you didn’t mention Éowyn
1:30 #adblock
What’s taters, precious?!
Also Frodo absolutely fluffed the landing...he completely gave himself to the ring, and it’s dumb luck the ring was destroyed...personally, I think that was a weird choice to end it...the writing should have been, he should have consciously done something to defeat the hold it had....coz he sure took the credit for destroying it....
Thank god Karl Urban’s character was able to find a place to get his eyebrows waxed in Middle Earth.
Richard Linklater's Before trilogy and Pusher are both superior
Starts 1.30 in.
Why we start with 2 towers instead of fellowship?
They did fellowship bro
I would be very interested to know how you felt about the books. There are subtle differences, and yet some that are pretty big IMO. And some kind of took me almost 20 years to get over.
If you are into audiobooks, you can either go with the official version, which is somebody reading it to you, like the *Bob Inglis* version, which I listened to for years, until recently. Now there is an unofficial but amazing *unabridged* _Theatrical Audiobook_ of *Lord of the Rings* read by *Phil Dragash.* Amazing voice work, and *Howard Shore* music.
th-cam.com/play/PLpanH1YqxZ4C_R_BT-2NeSI74UBvEo62Z.html
You can listen to it on TH-cam, or try and find a download for it - which I think is in the description of one of the videos.
And *Bluefax* does a good unabridged version of *The Hobbit* with _Howard Shore's_ music and great voice work.
th-cam.com/play/PLHuqOGq8HdsKf6OcP-cCD6_mOODvMf0aT.html
I wonder if you'll really like the books, because *Gimli's* goofiness is what bothers me most in the film's. Or at least it did for a good number of years.
There's an element to *Faramir* that is missing. I'm not sure it could even be translated properly from book to film.
When the film's came out, I appreciated their beauty right from the start. They looked just as I imagined things for the most part. Especially everywhere you looked, the production design was spot-on.
I interpreted *Gimli's* understanding of _Moria_ differently. In the film it seems like he's _oblivious_ to what happened until he gets there. But I thought in the books he actually is just as concerned as *Gandalf,* but he wants to know for sure what happened to *Balin.*
the perfect thing for some Sea Of Thieves listening