WHY KOBE BRYANT IS GREATER THAN LEBRON JAMES | TheBlackRanger X
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The Los Angeles Lakers are known for the greatness, flair, style, and dominance throughout the years and have had their fair of Superstars like Lebron James and Kobe Bryant. While both have had their flaws in leadership. Both are deadly in the clutch and can win the big game if necessary. In this video, I will explain the simplest reasons why Kobe is still greater than Lebron James through pure tangible evidence. In the video I attempt to be as fair as possible, primarily talking about their tangible skills and criticizing both's biggest accomplishments. I will not be evaluating statistics very heavily, because these are 2 completely different players in 2 completely different situations/systems. I have no problem with someone having Lebron above Kobe, because LBJ is a great player, however, I challenge you to prove that LBJ is a better player without using the statistics argument. Definitely leave your thoughts down below, keep it clean, or your stuff won't be seen. If I messed up a stat definitely correct me below! As promised some links with the acquired information down below:
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Kobe air-ball story with Shaq quote: ballislife.com/kobe-airball-ja...
Kenyon Quote: • Kenyon Martin makes hi...
Shaq Greatness quote: • NBA on TNT | Crew Disc... - กีฬา
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TheBlackRanger X if LeBron win. The title this year without a big star
@@ptbarnum2678 **then watch the video? 🤔
Kobe has better footwork, post moves, handle, better at creating space.
Kobe is a better defender
Kobe is a better offensive rebounder
Kobe is a underrated playmaker - People think just cause you average alot of assists you're some sort of elite playmaker.
Kobe better . Kobe is DA greatest of all time
Okay u won me over, we'll thought out, presented and most importantly objective good shit
TheBlackRanger X : I always say that being the best (or arguably the best) in your era (which LeBron’s is really 2012-present) doesn’t automatically qualify you to be in the GOAT conversation. Otherwise we would still be talking about George Mikan and Oscar Robertson.
LeBron isn’t even top-10 in my mind. I count 10 players that I would take ahead of him in a mock all-time draft. It only gets dicey when we get to Dr. J. LeBron edges him out.
social media made lebron great. if kobe played in this era, hed break the internet everytime he played
I do believe that certain stars get too much hype on social media because people only see the highlights, not the messups and issues that they have in-game. Definitely check out the channel bro!
@@theblackrangerx530 i def will bro, im sick of the major sports media channels trying to push the goat convo with lebron just because having lebron in their title makes them money
Agreed, think he's a great player but he's got too many black marks on his career to step to Mike. Guys like my guy Shay Sharpe loll will lie on other stars names to boost Bron. Definitely share this video with anybody who doesn't understand the difference between these 2 players. I've seen both play, one fills the stat sheet, the other figures out a way to win the big one. Gotta give credit where credit is due. Thanks for Subbing more coming soon, definitely trying to kill silly narratives.
@@theblackrangerx530 Please do, the amount of disrespect kobes getting is just unreal.... kobe makes game winning plays that don't translate to the stat sheet and lebron on the other hand just stuffing the stat sheet.
stats dont win games
Agreed, I'm just trying to figure out what topic I'll be covering next
basketball is played in both sides of the floor. so saying bron is better all around, is just looking at their games in just one side. defense is a vital part of winning. offense wins games, but defense wins rings.
Finally Leflopper James is not close to top 10 player
LeBron makes a bad team good. Kobe makes a good team great. End of discussion.
Agreed. Couldn't have said it better. Definitely Subscribe and Check out the channel. More content dropping soon!
Willo Akaka : Are the Lakers “good?”
Lebron can also make a good team great, whereas kobe cannot make a bad team good
How? Kobe is a horrible leader you meant to say phil jackson
he left a bad team to win in Miami.....then came back to a team with 2 other all stars and the highest payroll in the NBA to win more. Jordan never had more than one other all star.....and Pippen was only an all star because he benefitted from Jordans double and TRIPLE teams. If Pippen played for the Bucks, he would have been a second team all star
Nba legends choose kobe over lebron. End of debate
Agreed!
@@theblackrangerx530 th-cam.com/video/8OM19cWa41I/w-d-xo.html can't even score on kobe
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So you know what every nba legend thinks?🤦♂️
That’s not even a valid argument
About time someone who knows what they're talking about. I love how casuals will point out what Nick Wright thinks when real hoop heads know media opinions are irrelevant I'll take NBA players word over media they're the quote on quote Professionals. There's a difference from watching the lions from the sideline to actually being in there with the mothefu*king lions.
I appreciate that bro! Definitely subscribe to the channel for more content! More dropping tomorrow afternoon
@@theblackrangerx530 Just subscribed keep up the great content!
Preciate the love bro! I'll be droppin something tomorrow afternoon as well
PhoraOne Sinatra Agreed 💯
Tmac said it best, "Kobe would score 100 in this era"
*KOBE IS BETTER BECAUSE A DOG BUILT FOR WAR IS BETTER THAN A DOG BUILT FOR THE HOUSE**THERE'S A WAR OUTSIDE NO MANS SAFE FROM* #MOBBDEEP
Deadass frfr💯
2010 NBA Finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA Finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Game winning playoff buzzer beaters
LeBron 5 > Kobe 1
Game tying or go ahead shots to take lead final 10 seconds
LeBron 12-23 fg and 52%
Kobe 5-22 fg and 23%
Kobe vs LeBron
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3PT%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
WS: LeBron
PER: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
Seasons avg +25 ppg
LeBron 14 > Kobe 12
Seasons avg +25 ppg on +50% fg
LeBron 8 > Kobe 0
Seasons shooting +40% 3pt
LeBron 1 > Kobe 0
Triple Doubles
LeBron 74 > Kobe 21
Career +30 point games scoring
LeBron 436 > Kobe 431
Career highs scoring
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg most missed shots in nba history isn't top 8 all time player
NBA top ten all time players
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabber
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
100% facts
@@kendranights7607 game 7 2010 kobe had 15 REBS...
Kobe game 7 23 points 15 boards and a big fat WWWWW 💜💛
Kendra Nights who has more rings even though lebron’s career is not over it doesn’t seem that bright for the rest of the way
I'm glad someone brought kobe out....that hes better than labron
When you ask players you’re getting more organic answers. They speak according to whom they had to work hardest against. They speak according to which player they would rather face during a long stretch in which they need a night off. That’s credible asf!
I know this, the six players most other players would LEAST want to guard, even if they could become the size of the other players, are Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Wilt, Kobe, and Shaq.
Those guys are nightmare matchups for anybody. LeBron, he’s a quitter and a complainer. Elite players can get into his head.
The only reason people don't put Kobe in the GOAT Discussion is due to the Rape allegation. We see how they treat men in the me-too era they have been trying to sabotage Kobe for years because of that
Tell these kids about Kobe! They don’t even know. The black mamba left me speechless whenever I watched him. He did the impossible. I’ve hardly ever been speechless when watching lebron.
Most definitely bro! Cannot lie watching Kobe as a kid made me really appreciate the difficulty of his moves, drive, and intangibles that he brought to the game. Gotta respect greatness lol these kids are too lazy to go back and watch tape, there are lots of full games on youtube but everybody just wants to read off stats loll.
I totally agree with this video and not because there's a threat to hide my comments in case I didn't. I want to make that clear to begin with. I do want to elaborate on this though. The common thought is that Kobe was the better one on one player whereas LeBron was the better team player but I beg to differ. Although I agree that a prime Kobe would have smoked LeBron in a game of one on one, he was also the better team player. His resume speaks for itself but I can explain further. For one thing, triple doubles (especially when there is 25 or more points scored) are highly overrated. It means that you're playing "hero ball" and leaving your teammates flat with nothing to do but watch you perform. You want to score most of the points, make all of the important passes, grab the majority of the boards, etc. That's what I call "selfish basketball" and it's the exact reason why Russell Westbrook has not won a championship and Oscar Robertson never would have either if it were not for a prime and dominant Kareem Abdul Jabbar. People love to call Kobe "selfish" because he focused more on scoring but why not? If you're the best scorer on your team why shouldn't you be taking the most shots? It would be stupid to put the ball in someone else's hands if they can't make a basket! I would call that smart basketball, not selfish basketball and the reason why Kobe was more successful in winning championships comes down to this... If LeBron is coming full force every game and isn't leaving his teammates with anything to do, he's going to lose because it's been proven over and over that one man can't beat 5 no matter how great he is. Wilt was a testament to that. On the other hand, who cares if you're a ball hog when you're the best scorer on your team? At least you're giving your other four teammates a chance to contribute through four other productive categories. They can still get assists, rebounds, blocked shots and steals. One category for each player which is still playing TEAM BASKETBALL. People have this all wrong. LeBron is the more selfish player, not Kobe and that's exactly why Kobe is 5-7 in the finals and LeBron is 3-9. Case closed.
Loll, I did come off a little harsh at the end but that was because I've seen how rabid and nasty people get when someone doesn't exalt their favorite player as the ultimate gift to mankind and they get violent as hell in the comments. As you can see, down below there are people who disagree that can voice their opinion, its just that if you get reckless I won't allow nonsense on my channel that's all. But I created this channel so that hoops fans could have a platform to speak openly about players, teams, history without coming for each other. I appreciate you clarifying in the beginning though because Agreeing just to agree is not what we do around here. Good take, triple-doubles and stats have clouded many individual's from being able to see the game on a macro level. What stats do is tell a story that a player wants you to remember and not usually how the game went. I've seen Larry Bird get doubled and avg less than 20ppg in a series but lead his team to victory because he is drawing lots of attention freeing up his teammates. These fans now are just too lazy to go watch the old games themselves and see what really happened. Hockey assists, and rotating properly are some of the many things that don't get tallied in the stat sheet that great players make happen. Timing and control of the shot clock don't show up on basketball reference and honestly just show some fans lack of understanding of the game. Rondo is a player i use to illustrate this all the time. People may think that Elfrid Payton and Rondo put up similar stats but Rondo is a master at controlling pace and seeing a play 3 steps in advance. Players like Lebron and the Westbrook of old usually fill up the stat sheet so that when things go wrong they can always say that they did their jobs. Alot of the time, they pile these points up in garbage time or when they've clearly won the game and the coach won't take them out. People do realize that in both the 81pt game and the 60+ in 3 quarters, Phil Jackson took Kobe out early... Kobe sat out the whole 4th in the 60+ in 3quarters game against the great Mavs and wasn't able to add to that stat sheet. Stats schmatz in my opinion for alot of these debates and really should only be used for a quick summary(synopsis) of a situation not deep analysis. Definitely Subscribe got more heat coming soon(Friday)!
There was also a time when Phil kept telling Kobe not to shoot and distribute the ball and 7 losses later he said do whatever you have to do and Kobe went off 65, 50, 60, and 50. Four 50 point games 4 W's
Good point, I remember when this was going on, it was almost like Phil threw the clipboard away and just gave Kobe the greenlight, that period was insane loll
@@theblackrangerx530 He also scored 43 in the following game against Golden State, 53.6 pt Avg over 5 games & more important 5 Ws
At the end of the day, nobody was better at putting the ball in the basket, while keeping you from putting the ball in the basketball on the other end. That’s what it’s all about. A prime Kobe would drop 40 on anybody’s head and lock you up on the other end.
I would take Jordan to consistently score over Kobe but if I'm talking about point explosions and game highs I'll take Kobe. Kobe was a more volatile scorer who could/would explode in ways that made you shake your head at the fact that it's even possible to get that hot.
We live in the “participation trophy” era. That’s why these kids think lebron is the goat. Best ever at participating in finals.
Agree with you 💯% kobe is better than lebron
I like how Kobe moves than LeBron
can anyone name a pg (apart from Kyrie) who got a max contract had high trade value after playing with Bron? Galactus indeed. Lebron's numbers would have been way less in a system other than his own i.e under Phil or Popovich while Kobe's would remain the same. Thanks for your research and enlightening vid bro, glad I stumbled upon it. Following from here on, thanks again!
I appreciate that bro got more heat dropping tomorrow!
@@jdsilvestri even a brain transplant won't help you figure it out. This channel might be out of your league
I didn't hit the like button until that Strong finish of, "don't be mad at me be mad at yourself."
I appreciate that lol!
2004 Kobe - He was coming off knee surgery....clearly lost weight, shoulder injury( see 2003 dunk vs kg from the baseline) and on top of that had a sexual assault allegation
Karl Malone was 40years old Gary Payton was 35 years old = clearly not in there primes
Kobe 2004 was a far cry from 2003 Kobe (which was the best year of his career and at the peak of his athleticism and skill set)
2011 Lebron - in the prime of his career no injuries and playing with 2 other all stars in there primes...mentally checked out and gets outplayed by a role player (Jason Terry)
Lebron and bosh both were 26 years old and wade was 29 years old = ALL IN THERE PRIMES
while kobe was imo the reason the lakers lost in 04 due to all thing listed lebron has little to no excuse which makes
Also it never get spoken of but Lebron teamed up with TWO MEMBERS OF HIS OWN DRAFT CLASS (You know your main competition) in an already weaker east and monopolized it and made it worse.....
Watching Lebrun play is like sitting a math class and listen to espn add and divide mean number and avorage numbers.
Filling up the stat sheet can disrupt the team system, and it can take your teammates out of rhythm.
“hey guys dom2k here and” 😂
Anybody who hasn't watched the dull video watch it it has some good information.👌
Thank you bro finally someone with the reality in his eyes and consciousness and perfect ability to put things on context
I greatly appreciate that my man
I'm disappointed we never saw a playoff series between these two
Thank you black ranger, Kobe has been underrated too much and it feels good to see someone acknowledging his greatness
Always gotta tell the truth on this channel regardless
I’m still wondering if Kobe might have been better than Jordan. Jordan had Pippen for all of his titles. Kobe won two titles with a team whose second-best players were Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom.
Gasoline is overrated, and Odom never reached his full potential. The latter was KG-light.
Kobe is far more skilled and mentally tougher player than Lebron. Better defender and better scorer. What else do you want?
One of the biggest reason for the hype is due to the fact that Lebron is a 'current' player.
If everywhere they say current players are not as good as previous generations, people would quickly lose interest for the sports. Why would you want to watch significantly less talented players? They actually tried to promote Kobe in the same fashion as well before but because he was too similar to Jordan, it was more apparent who was better.
I don't have statistics but in the early 2000s around Lakers' 3-peat, Kobe and even T-Mac were rising to the occasions, fans were curious if they can overthrow Jordan and NBA was still relatively popular. After Shaq left Lakers and it was apparent Kobe wasn't going to threaten Jordan's Crown, the popularity was down. It was when Lebron started winning a few and media could make up a few arguments to hype him up, the NBA regained its popularity.
I'm sure when Lebron retires and then a few year passes, we'll have another player promoted in a similar way.
Agreed and Agreed! Good take
You just earned/gained a new subscriber, sir. Great video. Kept the emotions out and strictly dealt with the facts.
I appreciate that my brother!
This is some great analysis man. You deserve way more attention than you get. By the way, i'm binging all of your older videos haha
I genuinely appreciate that bro! I put alot of love into that specific video especially loll.
Also if you go farther down the list of vids you'll see that at a certain point I didn't have the mic that I do now and some of those older videos were from when I was in highschool fooling around lol. I'm trying to get these videos tighter and tighter, definitely look out for a project or 2 tomorrow! Thanks for the love!
I wish Kobe and MJ were able to play in this era of NBA
Facts man people need to put some respek on Kobe’s name
He said, Nah Nigga i counted for all of that!😂😂😂
“No nigga i counted all of that” lmao that had me dead
Lolll
Me and you have very very similar mindsets on this topic. Nicely unbiased with a direct to the point approach. Everything you said besides the Kobe could never be considered a Goat because he is a lesser version of MJ part I stand behind. Awesome video 👍
I appreciate that bro! Thanks for checking out the channel and I tried to do a video that was purely facts and no touching on the immeasurable aspects like heart, desire, will, drive because it would be hard to use that as tangible evidence even though we know they are all there.
Finally someone with some common sense. I respect LeBron's game but the way he goes about the business aspect (playing GM) disgested me. Kobe only wanted a trade but made sacrifices to get the job done to win more. Personally if Kobe could have played in the same era type format in the 90s as they do in the 00s, Kobe may have even more statical foundation even with a season ending injury. #Lakers4Life
Stats Schmatz that's how I see it. When comparing the greats we gotta talk about skills, wins, intangibles, and the little things. Bron I love the guy on the court but he definitely covers up the trail of evidence because lazy people don't want to go watch tape of old players to see that some were better. That's why stats are so "important"
Just to add something that's a factor in Kobe 2004 finals that team was a mess Karl Malone and Kobe fueding also Shaq and Kobe and Kobe had the Rape Allegations and trail weighing fresh when LeBron melted down it was strictly Basketball
Just to add something else in 2004 Shaq was 40 lbs overweight, not even making it to mid-court before the play was over and heading back the other way (Ben Wallace career numbers against Shaq) and Karl Malone was injured.
Is that excuses I hear?
Bro I love this video. I'm a huge Laker fan but I respect LeBron as an all time great. I just hate the disrespect Kobe gets from the media. This is probably the most unbiased Kobe vs Lebron video I have seen. Thanks so much
I appreciate the love bro! Both great players, I just believe that these 2 are not as uncomparable as people think. Some people scoff at the notion of Kobe being better bc they're too lazy to watch tape and just look at stats
I think the comparisson to wilt is a great conversation. Lebron is a stats warrior that is in a superhuman a body. But does he have that element that gives him more greatness than Jordan or Kobe? Kobe and Jordan never let other teammates control the whole game. Kobe & Jordan played stellar defense. Locking down good players and not being locked down by great defenders. Kobe & Jordan had unbelievable footwork and creativity. Lebron is more of a machine and a brute force. Also, you can’t fake championships. He still needs a couple more if he even wants to be in the goat conversation. How can you be the goat without covering a whole hand in rings.
LeBron is more like magic jhonson in terms of playing style. He is a force if partnered with top shooters and dominant big men but Kobe is just more of a take charge kind of guy and his very good at it.
@dbzkhalid01
How is he a worse version of MJ if he has better range, picked up where MJ left off and mastered it. If Kobe had a Pippen type player by his side he would definitely have 7 rings plus. Ala CP3 veto
For all the simps who claim that Kobe got carried by Shaq, go look up the MVP race for 2002-2003. Kobe finished over Shaq at the #3 spot while Shaq finished #5 with Kobe receiving almost 5x as many points. Kobe also finished above Shaq in the 2003-04 MVP race by 1 spot all while on the same team. Shaq won 1 MVP in 2000 while they won the chip so don't say that Kobe only won when they didn't win because Shaq in the other years didn't win MVP either. Those 2 were a 1-2 punch and were equals never get that mistaken. Some simps who want to say that Kobe was carried... okay go watch tape, Shaq had major trouble staying on the court with his health and Kobe had to carry the load alot during Regular season. Go look at their game totals for the seasons. Stop listening to media, go watch tape and research the ins and outs of the game!
Great anology with the Galactus reference. The media pushes LeBron on everyone.
Thank you and that is definitely a fact. The media loves pushing that narrative
When you suddenly went, "No nigga I counted for all of that" it lowkey scared me because I thought this was going to be a "I'm not gonna cuss cuz I wanna get monetized" video and that got me shook lmfao
Loll it's not about the dollars my man it's about delivering this content as real as possible!
Loved the video, super unbiased imo. only thing I would say is only showing 3 to 4 nba players opinions maybe doesn't paint the full story. if I was on team Lebron watching this I would think that's cherry picked. But I am a Kobe fan and I know its not. loved how respectful you were to both players.
Could you make a similar video on why Kobes a worse version of Jordan? personally i think he's a better version. he perfected Micheals game, added the Hakeem dream shake, had better handles, better scorer, faster, quicker, better footwork. Phil Jackson says he's better if I'm not mistaken. he said something along the lines of, "no one should model their game after Kobe, cuz you'd never master it. because no one works as hard, not even Michael." Id love your take on this cuz you are super respectful and won't slander greatness to prove your point.
You came just in time my man, that's dropping later on this week! I appreciate this and yes I've been cooking this up for some weeks now.
TheBlackRanger X PERFECT. Can’t wait bro. 🔔
Dude you are saying the exact same shit that I been saying for 10 years. Thank you sir.
Facts are 2016 game 5 6 the refs(nba) took that championship from the warriors it was disgusting display of basketball. People(lebron fans) won't ever admit to the fuckery of what their watching. 2012 finals a lebron lead Miami team flopped so hard that the league had to step in and started fining players. Okc got robbed with one sided officiating people (lebron fans) will say whatever you just hating but there's proof(video) all over the internet. Not saying lebron isn't great but I mean damn if the game was officiated properly lebron might have 1 championship. Game 4 finals 2017 was so bad had Cavs fans admitting to the fix.
Agreeed! That 2017 g4 had me rollin. EVERYBODY knew lolll
one of the realest docu. great job
I appreciate that bro!
Kobe is the goat Jordan had more help that Kobe too
Luckily lebron played at the east for most of his career where is much weaker and less competitive. Kobe was againsting all the greatest teams and won 5 tiles!
I feel if Kobe wouldn't of got injured I think he would of tied Jordan.but your video is on point my boi
I appreciate that bro!
Kobe needed to get 7 rings to over throw mj 1 extra ring to make up for the lack of other accomplishment but he is still better than LBJ
Lbj is media darling
Preach bro! Great vid! Shot charts are important. So is shooting splits. Kobe dominates both. Ppl dont realize Kobe statistically is at a disadvantage bcuz he joined a team where he instantly had to prove himself & take a backseat to a legend in Shaq. MJ & LeBron instantly got handed the reigns to teams longing for a savior.. Anyhow it's amazing Kobe still has career averages really not far off from MJ having said that.. Kobe never had to leave to ring chase building superteams either.. Kobe had to face waaay tougher competition too. The west during that time may just be the best conference ever
AGREED AND AGREED!
@@theblackrangerx530 Yessir! Oh & also the Achilles tear hurts his stats..
D'Antoni played the hell out of him that season, I remember seeing him rank 2nd in minutes in the league in his 17th NBA season...
@@theblackrangerx530 Yep that was one of Kobe's best seasons too. Damn shame to think what he could of done if he didnt get hurt. Some speculate that he could of passed Kareem. Some think Dwight might of even stayed tho I doubt it. Imo tho we had a chance at that 2013 title if Kobe didnt go down.. I'm not saying we would of made it out the west. But with the way Kobe was playing.. He wouldn't of been easy to contain. I think he knew his window for ring #6 was closing.. U could tell he put in work the offseasons b4.. It's just a damn shame we never got a Kobe vs LeBron finals.. Damn u Dirk & damn u Dwight!! 😢
It's about time you admitted you were a baller. I knew it...
Yessir
TheBlackRanger X what position did you play?
Played all positions but mainly SG and SF
@@theblackrangerx530 *I KNEW IT*
These comments...they just prove how GREAT Kobe as player was.
I read this on reddit once.
No one, I mean NO ONE is mentioning injuries and shots they took as well as respect for the game.
When I said injuries, if you're older than 25 you instantly remember Kobes injuries and not LeBrons, because there are none on LeBrons part.
When I said shots they took, you instantly think of Kobes fadeaway shots he is known for while LeBron like said in this video, takes open shots and in todays era without defense its just that much easier for LeBron.
When I said respect for the game, did you think of LeBrons flopping and resting mid season ?
Or did you think of Kobe playing injured, even in offseasons with comments like "People pay their hard earned money to come watch us play, imma play"
You can take anyone you want but I will always go with Kobe just for his sheer respect for ME, I know he will give it his all, all star game or regular game, doesn't matter to him.
That man never cheated the game ~ Magic Johnson
Good take, injuries are real, but I made this video excluding those to show that i don't make excuses for any player when comparing them on an in-depth level. Had to be unbiased as possible and I do think this is good insight. Thanks my man
This comment is not very good bro. Lebron did play in the same era as Kobe and Lebron dominated in that era as well.
Bro I love these just had a question how u use clips but not get copyrighted cuz I tried but i instantly got striked even though I listed the sources in my description
All I do is edit the hell out em bro. Try to keep each clip short. It's alot of work but I haven't gotten copyrighted in a while
Neither are my favorite players, but defense is a big hashtag on lebron, idk y he slacks in defense
Agreed my brother agreed
I actually enjoyed this video, it was pretty fair
I'm glad bro and I always try my hardest to stay fair
@@theblackrangerx530 that's what's up bro, keep posting, I'm subscribing now
Excellent Video and I respect your points. Still LeBron is the better overall talent IMO. From 06-16 he was the dominant alpha on his team. No Phil Jackson/Tex Winter, no Jordan off season instruction, no Jordan Vets, No Shaq.
From 07 on, this man took you to the Conference Finals min every year on his back (incompetent Cavs Managment). Is he a Diva now at the end of his career? Sure is.. but that doesn't take away from his accomplishments.
Dont forget Kobe had to beg Lakers brass to bring back Phil and got Gasol/Bynum bigs to win. Don't get me wrong, Kobe is fantastic, but prime LeBron was no joke.
I do agree with you he should have left Clevland earlier. Kudos for that point!!
I remember watching Lebron as a kid in that 06- + era. MANNNN he was scary, dude was a freight train that literally had an unstoppable engine and frightened everyone who got on his hip. I have to give Lebron his credit because he really is an All-Time top 10-5 player no doubt about it depending on how you rank. The main reason I view Lebron's failures with a more critical eye is because I grew up watching the snowball effect of excuses begin growing for Bron. In 2009 when he lost to Dwight, both were evenly matched and ORL was without their leading scorer in Jameer Nelson. People say that CLE had no answer for Dwight that's why they lost. Well why didn't ORL not have an answer for Bron if that's the logic. In 2010 I understand. 2011 This was LBJ's opportunity to erase every bit of failure from his resume by proving that with the proper help he could win. And he failed miserably by not being versatile enough to play off-ball of Dwade who was balling out that series. I can respect anyone who has LBJ over Kobe for the reasons that you stated but when people just whip out stats and say Kobe got carried that's where I get frustrated loll. I really appreciate someone who is respectfully debating without taking pot-shots at anyone's intelligence. Good take brodie
@@theblackrangerx530 same here bruh. You present your logic eloquently. I appreciate it in particular with regard to a topic that is esentially subjective. Something you bring up which I never considered were their circumstances. Kobe had to earn his spot good as he was and played with All star talent and veterans from jump that helped him. Getting Jackson early on was huge for his career. Jax and Tex were like yup, We can mold this kid and he listened, 6 chips gets you a players ear.
Remember what made MJ great was his fundementals and willingness to buy into a system (courtesy UNC/Dean Smith, which is why Zion will be special)
LeBron has always been the Alpha to his detriment.
You can tell he's just used to being the focal point and that hurt them in Miami in Year one, BUT that's more Spo/Riley than LeBron, think about it (1. They had to spend to sign the Big Three and basically gutted the team of any real shooting honestly 2. Riley should have coached them, winning a chip with basically a rookie coach is a stretch.)
Dude didn't play college ball, never played with equal level talent (early), never learned how to truly defer, never played with a coach with Chips in the holster, never had veterans to really learn from, played for an extremely poor organization with no culture and still won chips. 🤔
Lastly: LBJ ranked #2 All time playoff performances. www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23651740/ranking-50-greatest-individual-postseasons-modern-nba-history
Have a blessed day brother.
Great video agreed with all the points u made on behaf of both players facts are great and u lut everything into the right contex
Thank you my man
Great video man
Thank you my man!
There's a youtuber by the name is ChroniclesOfJudah144 and his logic at times are on point. However, his narrative on Kobe seems very bias. For example, he says that Kobe is not a top 10 player and is around 11-15 range with Moses Malone, Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robertson, etc. He claims that Kobe was highly overrated and was overrated as a defender. Most of his take on Kobe is negative. Now, with LeBron is kinda the same but he has LeBron ahead of Kobe because LeBron brings more to the table. He also says for players to make his top 10, a players has to either the greatest at his position or in the discussion of who's better than who. His ranking is listed as
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. LeBron James
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Isiah Thomas
12. Moses Malone
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Kobe Bryant
My man I used to watch Chronicles alot when I was younger. Been subbed since his EARLY days I thought he was my older brother with a secret TH-cam channel but he and I see eye to eye on alot of ideologies and topics. But that is always one that I disagree with him on respectfully. He knows his stuff and thats his personal list but based on my metrics I cannot put LBJ above Kobe rn. Interesting that you point that obe out tho. Good take
He is biased.
He was talking about the first 3 peat, acknowledged that Shaq won finals MVP but that Kobe played better against the much stronger western teams yet he holds that against Kobe.
He acknowledges that Kobes true greatness as an all time player was during kobes last 3 straight finals, which is true to some extent, but he wants to disregard all of his earlier work.
Also i dont remember if this were a case but he would bring up flat FG% against Kobe but that point tells me he doesnt know anything about basketball if he uses that talking point.
@@saberplaytop Also he claims that Kobe was not a great player until 2007-8 season and that he was only a great talent in his first 10 years in the league. That's his logic.
"Aight man peace!" I agree his disdain for Kobe is obvious and his favor for MJ is apparent but hey, Judah has enlightened and liberated my thinking more than I could thank him for. His bias against Kobe is forgiven, I laugh it off. My take is this, If we were in the army or marines, who would you prefer to lead us in afgan , iraq or syria, Kobe or Bron?
@@Arael4 kobe the kinda dude who might get us killed and lebron gon pussy out
Kobe is a different animal the most skilled player I have ever seen in my life
Just to add something that's a factor in Kobe 2004 finals that team was a mess Karl Malone and Kobe fueding also Shaq and Kobe and Kobe had the Rape Allegations and trail weighing fresh
Ronnie Alston : Yes! Because that team: Shaq, Kobe, GP, and Malone should have won two titles together, maybe three if Malone had the steam.
As a ride or die Kobe fan, and life long raptors fan I’m loving this video and you’re previous video about my Raps. Great basketball channel fam, I hope it grows. I don’t even comment on videos but I’ve been commenting on yours. I want to see this channel grow let’s see it.
I appreciate that bro! Definitely we will make this channel grow and keep putting out good content! Thanks for enjoying the content my man!
The Cleanest and Superb break down ever!!!! There's no Debate tho!!! Kobe is the Greatest*!!!! (But No one is asking me, but I will make this Statement... Kobe is like "Bruce Lee" while Jordan is like "IP man".) And one other thing the NBA and Most of all his andorsements turn there backs on Kobe from the time of that fuckery scandle!!! From that point on the NBA pass over him....but Kobe hard work was so 20/20 that he bounce back like it was nothing!!! Straight from scratch.
Kobe Bryant 8 & 24 is The Greatest Of All Time. #PureTruth
I appreciate the love bro! I definitely do agree that Kobe's legacy took a major hit from the companies when he had the 2004 allegations. IP man you buggin loll. But definitely subscribe for more content. More dropping tomorrow!
I appreciate the love bro! I definitely do agree that Kobe's legacy took a major hit from the companies when he had the 2004 allegations. IP man you buggin loll. But definitely subscribe for more content. More dropping tomorrow!
I appreciate the love bro! I definitely do agree that Kobe's legacy took a major hit from the companies when he had the 2004 allegations. IP man you buggin loll. But definitely subscribe for more content. More dropping tomorrow!
Kobe my goat. Start standing firm.
Im better than all my teachers now.
People do not have the best memory, they are negatively biased towards Kobe because they saw his last years post age 34 and Achilles injury. I love that Bron is a Laker now, but all his championships came with another superstar caliber player. Kobe's last two, no disrespect to one of my favorite Lakers; Pau, he was THE superstar.
thats the analysis i was looking for, pure facts
is it ok that i liked the video before watching, just based on the title?
Nah but definitely leave your thoughts about whether you agree or disagree at the end of the vid loll
@@theblackrangerx530 Just finished the video, and definitely agree with your points. In fact, you actually brought up some good concepts that I had actually not even thought about. So i learned a bit. Nice video sir!
I appreciate the feedback my man!
lol!!! In agreement with everything you've said, mentioned, and brought to light. Facts kill narrative all day! Kobe > Lebron all day.
How are you not more known? This video was put together better than my Tia's tamales and them shits are fire lol
I appreciate that loll! Definitely stay tuned for more soon!
Well that's news to me. I Didn't know lebrons mom got introuble for shoplifting. I mean I know she's ghetto but geez that's rough.
Yessir, that man has ascended through struggles that I must give him credit for. That is greatness and I gotta respect it.
5:55 😂😂
Why is it a problem if he finds something funny? How does that affect you, loll stick to the hoops
He is in the goat conversation because of the body of work
Lebron first mvp should of went to D Wade
Let's be real, as a product of the 90s my opinion will be biased via exposure. But IMO, I think Kobe was the most talented scorer and greatest ISO player of all time, and that's not to draw from his later years of reducing his usage rate and playmaking abilities and his almost decade of being all NBA first team defensive. One could argue that Kobe is the GOAT based upon this. Lebron has time and time again made an entire conference obsolete and took his team to the finals. From his court general playstyle, to his insane athletic abilities, and his consistency one could argue he's the goat. MJ is DIFFERENT though, he has the court general and athleticism of Lebron, And the lockdown defense and capability to score from anywhere like Kobe. Now Kobe is more skilled in creating a shot and scoring outside in general, and Lebron is more athletic and a far better passer court general than MJ, but neither of these legends are all in all better than MJ. Now I can only speak post 90s because I never watched 60s-80s basketball, but MJ is the GOAT of recent years.
Good take, this just about sums it up perfectly loll
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I'm biased to the Gawd Black Mamba I was able to agree with everything you said about LeBron meaning the positives I appreciate you being non biased and shedding more light on the fact that Kobe>>>>>Bron Imma go ahead and hit that subscribe button after I like this video salute.....
I appreciate that my man and I appreciate you admitting that you're biased on this specific topic. There's a couple topics I am biased on as well but being able to turn it off or admit is key! Thanks for the love!
I agree Kobe is greater than Lebron at the game of basketball. The point of the game is to win not to be a stat stuffer. Lebron has great numbers because that's what he cares about. Kobe has more wins because that's what he cares about.
Facts.
Video recommendation.
Why lebron is still regarded as the best player today. When he doesnt play defense and guys like curry, kd, harden, giannis, embid, pg and kawhi are already better than him offensively?.
Loll I've been saying that KD is the best player in the league for the last 2 years. I definitely need to make a video about this.
@@theblackrangerx530 watch out for the dislukes though. Any video pointing out the truth will get then. Im amazed this video have around 80 to 90% likes. Good job bro.
2004 and 2008 Finals
Man even if bron gets 6 his record is still worsse than kobe so even then y'all still not gonna say he's in the goat conversation.
And here's the thing. Bill has 11 with a record of like 5 traight not as good as mj w/ 6 straight but come on that's a pot of rings. And another thing. Knowing who and what kobe is, who would you rather pick, kobe or bill? Bill can't do what kobe does. They play different spots but bill can't give you 81, 12 threes, 17 ats, all them handles, and ridiculous contorting reverse dr.j layups.
So is it about the wins, or the record?
And is it about the record or the skills?
I got kobe over all them. Screw mvps cause they have know idea who to give them to. How did iguadolla get the finals mvp for goden state? And then they have co mvps for all starts but not regular season even though kobe and lebron both won mvps in 2008. Talk about double standards.
I would take Jordan over Kobe for various reasons and not to disrespect Kobe at all. I will be doing a video on this in the coming Week and look out for it. I also have no problem with anyone having Any player as their personal GOAT however I just think that we all have to be consistent in our measuring sticks. I can see why you might think that and I can respect it
So you are saying it would have been better for LeBron if he missed the finals in 2007,2011,2014,2015,2017 and 2018 because he would be 3-0 instead of 3-6?
just to point out,2004 finals was not only Kobe's fault,Malone got injured Payton was lost and delirious Shaq was a mess plus Detroit was strong and please check the FTs attempted from basketball reference.I smell rigged against Colorado incident.
Kobe cannot be in the goat conversation because he’s a worse version of MJ just like Duncan isn’t because of Kareem
while I agree with some of your opinions I do disagree with some
I personally have Jordan over both LBJ and Kobe obviously, and have LBJ and Kobe tied for second. Theirs just certain things that LeBron has done that I personally believe Kobe couldn't. For example, I don't think that kobe would have been able to lift last years cavs to the finals. Nothing against Kobe, but LeBron seems to make bad/okay payers good. I don't believe kobe could do that to that extent due to his style of play. Although, there are certain things Kobe has done that I don't think LeBron will EVER do, such as hitting back to back free throws on a torn Achilles, dropping 60 in his last game, or scoring 81 points. While Kobe is more clutch in terms of willingness to take the last shot, LeBron was never scared to take it, he just wanted to pass it if he thought someone else had a better shot, which again comes down to play style. This is why, at least currently, I have them tied.
MJ and KOBE are the two kings, no argument needed period. One proof LBJ cannot win a tittle without any other SUPERSTAR,,,, KOBE did it twice (2009-2010)
Kobe came into the league onto an already very good Lakers team. So he couldn’t start over guys. AI could, he came onto a bad Sixers team. LeBron was drafted onto a horrific Cavaliers team, so he had to play and was by far their best player. And I don’t begrudge LeBron for going from team to team, but then don’t come to me talking about GOAT. Free agency didn’t come until 1988, so players couldn’t just come n go. And LeBron has had just as much help as Kobe, and far more than MJ. He has built every team he’s had since 2011, and again, I don’t begrudge him for that, but if you build a team, no excuses. None. When LBJ wins, he barely wins, by the skin of his teeth, when he loses he gets blown out. LeBron can only play one way, in the LeBron system. When he plays an intelligent team in the finals he gets blown out. Kobe’s 2004 finals performance was horrific, but Bron’s 2011 performance was worse. When JJ Barea and Jason Terry outplay you and you’re supposedly the best player on the planet, that’s a problem. While a win is a win, he only beat the ‘13 Spurs after he bricked the game tying shot, and Ray Allen hit it for him, and Bogut got injured. Steph and Andre were injured the whole series, and Draymond got thrown out, AND Kyrie had to hit the game sealing 3. The series shouldn’t have been that close to begin with, LeBron since he’s the best player on earth should’ve had THEM down 3-1. Draymond, Klay, and Steph or Kyrie, Kevin, and LeBron. Who should win that matchup. Difference is GS actually played in a real system and let the coach coach, and not played free-for-all playground basketball aka the LeBron/Russell Westbrook system. Now some of you might say “Paxson hit the shot for Jordan” well the Bulls were up 3-2 at that point, so if they lose that game it’s still game 7, it wasn’t do or die for that shot. “Steve Kerr hit the shot for Jordan” well, at the huddle before the shot, Jordan told Kerr “IF THEY DOUBLE ME BE READY”, he didn’t just give him the shot cause he was scared to take it or couldn’t. And again, that was game 6, they’re up 3-2. One thing LeBron has over Kobe is that Kobe had one of the greatest coaches ever, LeBron has never had a coach nearly as good, but that’s partly his fault too. They’re both all-time greats.
Quality of all stars is different when people say LeBron didn’t have help compared to Kobe there saying LeBron never had a player like Shaq who is a top 10 player of all time. D wade was not himself after 2011 and in the 2014 finals it was obvious he was done. Honestly Kyrie was probably his best teammate because Kyrie only improved through their run together
He literally guarded Joel embiid tonight
I think this would of been the case if you said it before last season. The reason why I say this is because i dont believe kobe could of made it to the finals if he swapped with lebron in the playoffs. But I understand some of your points though if it comes to taking a shot or scoring I'll pick kobe any day it just depends on the team once its that level.
Good take, at a certain level I believe it comes down to preference
also in 2004, kobe was going through the whole rape trial and was going straight from the courtroom to a playoff game. I'm sure that had some effect on him during that run. He also had a shoulder injury that year as well
Heck he cant even shake nor locked down Jason Terry, JASON FUCKING TERRY FOR CHRIST SAKES!!!