Why Lebron James is undoubtedly greater than Kobe Bryant
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Dom2k hell yes
Dude why you do this to me ? like i didnt see the vid yet but you hurt me alot this time
Dom no disrespect but No, Kobe never said he was better he said hes not a Leader and he's not. If you have respect for Fairness check out Basketball Examined channel and the video..The One Flaw in Lebrons Game. And reapond then....
Lebron js good stats thats about it
Offense>>>>Kobe
Defense>>>>Kobe
Isolation>>>>Kobe
Free throws >>>Kobe
Three Pointers>>>> Kobe - 1827/5546 LeBron - 1616/4701
Mentality>>>Kobe
Skill>>>>>Kobe
Competition>>>Kobe
Playoffs Competition>>>Kobe
Jumpshooting>>>Kobe
Post up offense>>>>Kobe
Off Ball>>>>>>>>>>Kobe
Footwork>>>>Kobe
Fundamentals>>>Kobe
Leadership>>>Kobe
Playmaking>>>LeBron
Stats>>>>>LeBron
Turnovers>>>>Lebron
Help>>>LeBron
West Conference>>>>>East Conference
5 rings>>>>> 6 finals LOSSES
Kobe 2fmvp>>>LeBron 3fmvp
Kobe>>>LeBron
1999-2018
13 NBA TITLES WEST
5 NBA TITLES EAST
Dom2k do a video about the 2018 free agency including lebron, kawhi, paul george and so on
LMAO Kobe would’ve killed JR in Game 1 if he was on the Cavs
sidhant shiv 2009 he did just that..game 6 in denver kobe just flat out demoralized the nuggets and JR smiffff
If Kobe was on the Cavs, they wouldn't have made the playoffs, so your point is irrelevant lol.
br 1251 true
Kobe took a worse team to the playoffs in the western conference so both y’all niggas obviously don’t watch basketball
jj Gray they havent seen kobe play in his prime so no point in arguing with them
Why’d this have to be in my recommended today? Today just wasn’t the say TH-cam. RIP Mamba🐍
Big kobe fan here and im pretty salty over the video overall, but i literally cannot find a way to argue with this video, its just so well argued. Props to you dom, you earned a sub
Torris Smith Jr huh?
You a lebron fan
Corey Charles you cant be a fan of both?
Well he did say kobe didnt have defining moments in playoffs, but i disagree. Kobe against pacers in finals, kobe vs spurs, kobe vs suns, etc.
Lol you are an idiot...conveniently dok didn’t talk about defense where Kobe blows lebron out of the water...or the fact that lebron having the big 3 still lost to old spurs...nor did he discuss that lebron stat pads all his games to make his box score look better...and he 3-6 in finals...once he played a team in west he lost...the east has been the weakest conference by far!!!!
Lmao “how could you fathom to fight Shaq without a weapon?” Fr 😂
So disrespectful to Kobe man he’s dead
Deleted Videos how?
Deleted Videos on stop
Deleted Videos that was before he died and Shaq is a monster 7’3 over 310 and you gonna fight him? That’s crazy it’s more of a respect not a disrespect
He edited his comment it was something else
LOL people saying Dom is biased is funny, Dom is a fan of Kobe and has stated there was a point in time he hated Lebron, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they have a bias
Subjoit Gill this nigga is a Celtics fan so fuck his biased Ass opinion
Kevin Willis lol he has much more of a reason to hate Bron than Kobe then
This is a very unbiased video. Respect to Dom🤙
Kevin Willis Celtics fans usually hate LeBron you goofy
He said he would choose kobe and likes kobe more but all the things he stated says it all, also im a kobe fan, im not a lebron fan but i respect his game.
Kobe Fans: Stats don’t matter, they don’t tell the whole story
Also Kobe Fans: 5 Rings over 3, numbers don’t lie
??????????
There are Lebron fans that say stats don't matter. Some of those people also happen to place Kobe above Lebron because of skill, influence and mentality/killer instinct. There are also people who are fans of both players. Don't speak for everyone, you're one person. And it's a fact that stats don't tell the whole story. "Stats don't matter", well if they did, everyone would be chasing them and you'd see a completely different game from many players in the NBA. It's not always hard to tell when someone is chasing stats, you know, if you WATCH them PLAY.
Zach Falbe you must be dumb to ignore what are all those stats lead to? Championship it is dumb ass, that’s the number/stats matters most right? Or you just hoping to be second best all the time like 6 times? LMFAO
Zach Falbe 🌚😂
Jayne well said man
Lil Lit pshh not even Kobe Robert hurry is better then mj
I lowkey wish Cleveland never drafted him. They could never put a team around him
D Boogie FACTS. Cleveland was in a weird position. They had LeBron that could carry them to the playoffs but they werent good enough to win, but they werent bad enough to draft top prospects.
@@jordanchng997 The Spurs were bad enough to Draft Kawhi,Parker,Ginobili..but still drafted them didnt they
@@jordanchng997 My point,the Cavs just sucked at their job
Tbh Lebron couldve had atleast 1/2 rings in his younger years coming in the League
He would’ve went to Cleveland eventually when he was a free agent for the first time
Let's just have Mike Korzemba pop open his 2k and he'll be able to answer the question with his deep research
Im was waiting for that😂
Yep👍
can't tell if this is a shot or a compliment lol
@@WinedandDined27 It's a joke
@@sammyjero1986 word haha. if thats a quasimoto profile pic i peep then props btw.
Totally agree, Bron is the better overall player, but Kobe is obviously still one of the all time greats.
How? Why do people always forget that Lebron in his 17 years has 6 all defensive....kobe has 12 all defense...so he had elite offense while being a top defender...lebron can have all the stats but they dont equate wins...this year in Lakers first time in west lebron avg 27 8 8 and guess what lakers werent close to making playoffs....missed cluth FTs...this Lebron is so overrated he needed 2 all stars to get finals in east...created the big 3 super team era...lol...imagine Kobe calling people and being like lets dominate the league hed have 10 rings but he rather COMPETE
@@sychosnare Elite offense, kobe was really inefficient..
3rd greatest all time
sychosnare you mean 15 he has been in the nba for 15 years jackass
sychosnare Kevin Love in 2015 was not the same Kevin Love in his previous seasons with the Wolves, he was not an all-star in 2015
I watched my Mavs beat both Kobe and LeBron in the same postseason...
Yonathan Taye i watched your mavs get handled the yrs b4 and after the post season youre talkin about 😂😂🤣🤣
yeah kobe single handedly outscored a similar mavs team in 06 dirk will tell you himself how kobe dropped 62 in 3 quarters on jason terry & dirk lmfaooo
@@calvinluciano Kobe got swept tho
TheNamesDitto kobe got 5 rings tho
@@calvinluciano did you just not watch Dom's video?
Kobe was also not the main man on the Shaq led 3peat.
Hey Dom I’m a Kobe fan myself and I still am salty but I liked the points that you made in the video like how Kobe’s mentality worked against him sometimes. But overall I think you made a great video. I also respect how you research so much on your topics to make a good video and I respect you for that.
Respect
Lebron is a better 3 point shooter than Kobe. He's also a better clutch player. Lebron has more playoff buzzer beaters. Don't care! @Buff kobe Kobe is barely top 15. Carried by Shaq and refs in 2000, 2002, played weak teams in finals in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, Kobe never had any clutch finals moments. He was 6/24 FG this game and is the most overrated NBA player ever. That is fact. MJ owns Kobe and that is fact. Accept it. Kobe is 6-16 against LeGoat in his career. Lebron is his daddy. I'll give you Kobe top 15 all time, thats it. Also he was never a good passer or efficient scorer ever, not a superstar until Shaq was gone, and took advantage of a weak era. Kobe would've dropped 20 against the 2017 Warriors off of 6-29 shooting and 13 Free Throws. Accept it. He's a trash version of MJ, nothing more!!!!!!
@@brentw0681 I have no respect for you
@@brentw0681 don't forget that 2009 was pretty close too, it's just the magic choked
5 RINGS without carried by WHOLE nba. Thats how his mentality worked))) Idiots)))
"If you wanna see kobe win his 6th ring when he signs with the warriors because they're just getting everybody now"
That hasn't aged well has it
Oh man I never edit my comments that get a lot of likes because it kills the joke but RIP KOBE
LMAOO
What you mean?? How has that not aged well??
@@Ricky-ki6yj they lost to Toronto and lost kd and cousins
@@prodigalosu still won 3 championships
You're late
Huge facts. A lot of people hate on the 2018 playoffs, but honestly it was one of the best ever in my opinion. We got to see one of the greatest players of all time silence ALL doubters and drag one of the worst teams in the league through the entire playoffs, dominating all challengers and showcasing why he was just so damn good. I'm glad it's more competitive this season, with Bron on the Lakers and all, but honestly I'll miss seeing the incredible power of one player taking on the entire conference and winning.
I disagree
mstunny on?
Doorstep 1 anybody who hates on his 2018 playoff run is fucking stupid
I agree of the playoff run one but that year lebron was trash and could never win a championship
@@bruhmoment2316averaging 35 on 11 and 9 is trash lol
You make an incredible point in this video, but the one thing that most people seem to forget is what was expected of Kobe and LeBron when they were drafted. Kobe wasn't expected to even be in the GOAT conversation when the Lakers drafted him. The fact that he is in the conversation in that of itsself is a huge win.
@Jayden Crawford yup exactly. Better to live up to expectations
And also lbj said that he’s better than mj that’s why he gets criticized
Lmao Kobe ain’t even in the goat debate
And that means how overated lebron james is he hasn't slowed down on turnovers either.
@@at4557 yes he is.
I can't say I'm a LBJ fan, but I'm glad you brought up all those performances for LBJ because his clutch-ness is something that has always been a lil bit underrated. While on the other hand, Kobe's clutch-ness has always been a lil bit overrated. I just remember waaaaay more flame outs than signature/defining moments!
drkdze kobe clutchness is overrated are you kidding me lebron is afraid to take charge at the end of game
Tykeria Woods there’s at least 3 games that are greater than any kobe game
I'm going to refresh your memory, game 7 2000 wcf, game 4 2000 nba finals. Games 4 and 1 of the wcac and wcf respectively in 2001. Game 4 wcac 2002, game 6 +7 wcf 2002. Game 3 nba finals 2002. All games 2009 finals. Game 7 2010 nba finals. 60 point performance in his last game.
U remember more flame outs by kobe than lebron?? Did u start watching bball in 2013?
Kobe has underrated clutchness
rip the mamba, one of the greatest to ever lace em up
I know Kobe terrorized a lot of teams, but Dom, since 2010 LeBron playing our Celtics has basically become a question in what amount of games will they be beaten.
Yeah like your mother
Man the kobe stans surely won't like this
Shae Micah You want some fries with that salt?
Shae Micah those light "skinned" crew has two prime mvps on their team...
Shae Micah Are you sure you dont want some Kleenex because kobe would never even beat the warriors with lebrons team, he probably wouldnt even make the finals OUCH!!!
Infinity Mixtapes these (stans😂) gonna be pissed
Shae Micah facts 😂😂
Kobe made me fall in love with basketball, but LeBron is just better! Leaving comparisons aside, we're lucky to have seen them play!
exactly
At least you saw hum play in his prime but you havent watched kobe in his prime so no point in arguing it
nah
@Dustin Osteen BRON IS BETTER AT LOSING !!!! PULL UP THOSE STATS 🤣😂🤣
@Drake Dylan Paul Lim LAKERS IS MY TEAM CLOWN !!!
WE JUST DON'T RESPECT ALL THIS TEAMING UP YEAR AFTER YEAR SHIT
When Lebron retires we are going to realize how great he is.
Without a doubt a Top 3 player.
@@taysonjatum2209 I think he will finish 2nd!
@@rocketk1442 me too. Only Jordan Will be able to be in front of him. But i am a LeBron fan, so probably i am too bias
@@andreitiberiovicgazdovici You are not biased you recognize his greatness
Rocket k nah he’s the GOAT look at this list he’ll go down as the goat especially when all these old heads who are hypnotized by Jordan’s stacked bulls destroying wack ass teams are gone then lebron will be recognized as the greatest.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.lineups.com/articles/top-50-nba-players-all-time/%3famp
finally someone speakin up
Nutcracker Draymond Trashtalk Green i know, i’m js. the ONLY people who think kobes better are... kobe bryant fanatics.
Famon 95% of NBA players put kobe over L36ron
Loominaughty u sleep bro? maybe 25%
Loominaughty lmao dog you living the past, chilllll
Anthony Baker nah dog I'm living in the present where L36ron just got swept in the finals
They roasting LeBron for losing to the mavs but not talking about kobe being swept by the same team
Also 4-1 to pistons
@John Marston im a warriors fan and i got hella respect for lebron and ad coming back 3-1 despite the injury and suspension. Gs had so many chances to close that game. Steph and klay dissapeared in game 7 while dray played like he was about to win fmvp.
Lebron Had a super team obv no excuse kobe for losing but Lebron had a good squad and was saying in the offseason they gonna win 5 rings lol
@@nateengida3806 Exactly. Now swap Kobe for Bron. They would have won not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, not 8 😂😂😂
@@qbrees30339 Exactly because Kobe on the Heat wouldnt have won anything
Kobe fans get triggered
backwards
Nah Kobe I am favorite player of all time. Reason I love basketball and I agree, and always hav3
TheNamesDitto it's just not true that's why. None of yall actually play that's why
RIP LA 504 Nola i play and i know that lebron is the superior player. Kobe won more cause he had better teams.
LeBron will never be Kobe. Bricklayer and has been swept twice without Kyrie/Wade simple. Before y'all say Shaq carried Kobe. Look at those game winners he hit when Shaq fouled out.
After seeing these comments
I know why some people called Kobe overrated
Over rated? Lmao 😂
You're talking about a dude that ran away from Shaq to prove how great he was, LeBron ran to Wade and Bosh to try and prove how great he is. Thats not being over rated
@@rmaiz470 he only left because he had no help
AFTER SEEING THESE COMMENTS I SEE WHY BRONSEXUALS ARE DELUSIONAL AND WHY LEBRON IS OVERRATED
but why such great player always need help of MVP caliber players, just think about, Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie, Davis, they simply carried him@@SonlyticalYT
Shout out to you Dom, this vid is amazing. Although LeBron is my favorite player ever since I started watching and playing basketball in 04 it is truly ridiculous how people are trying to downgrade Kobe and LeBron and MJ just because of the stupid argument of who the GOAT is.... why can't we just appreciate each person's greatness smh
I agree. This is why I think the GOAT debate in basketball is pointless. I'd say Michael Jordan's the greatest but you may say LeBron James is. There's no clear answer.
The GOAT Debate isn't stupid its just how people ho about that's idiotic
RIP KOBE BEAN BRYANT 💛💜 definitely never been a big fan but this was just tragic
We got robbed by never seeing LeBron is San Antonio. There could not be a better team for him, ever. That system and the way they played was tailor made for LeBron.
Bron on the Spurs would have at least seven rings but realistically he could have had a perfect finals record.
I kept wishing he'd sign after his contract with the Cavs was up. Derozen might have finally seen the finals.
Yea that would have been an amazing team to watch.
Eugene Irwin he could’ve convinced kawhi to stay
@@Chris-mr5nj nah Kawhi would've hated being in his shadow like Kyrie did.
Lebron wouldn't go to San antonio, there he has a coach to call him out whenever he messes up and lebron doesn't like that. Spurs also play team ball, meaning lebron stats will drop and you know lebron is a big stat guy. Dont let lebrons relationship with pop fool you, that team would not do well if lebron joins them. 2011 heat was a great example. Lebron actually tried to get Eric spo fired because he was calling lebron out on plays where he didnt do well but pat riley rejected his wish and won 2 rings there. Then in Cleveland he gets David blatt fired for ty lue? If lebron truly wanted to play for a real coach, why did he get blatt fired? I'm not hating on lebron. In fact I have him as a top ten player all time. But lebron likes puppet coaches, hence is the reason why he wanted lue in LA.
Interesting take. 🤔 I got LBJ above Kobe also for most of those same reasons. God rest his soul.
I have to give you respect for making this video, it takes some guts knowing you'll get tons of people disliking and hating in the comments. Seems in 2018 you can't share your opinion without starting a war.
Facts! I'm a Kobe fan and I respect this videos arguments cuz its not a total Kobe hating/disrespecting session
Rayyan Funny video facts
KD35Beast true I love both players, but prime Kobe > prime Kenton
Kenton?
KD35Beast
I'm not sure, but has LeBron ever been in a postseason game where both teams are playing suffocating defense? I'm not a Kobe fan, it is just that these fans on TH-cam just base their arguments off of career stats without any proper context. It makes me laugh soooo much on how stupid they are.
Kobe fans triggered
Shae Micah, Lol LeBron is better than Kobe stfu.
Just look at the stat lines and the context of those statistics, Lebron > Kobe
Shae Micah L
The Eastbrook you prolly think westbrook is the best pg seeing how you look at stats
Shae Micah Nobody that studies basketball is questioning Lebron's legacy lol
MJ never was a SIDEKICK
LeBron never was a SIDEKICK
KOBE IS THE GOAT OF SIDEKICKS
LeBron lost the 2015 finals averaging 36/13/9
Kobe won the 2002 finals averaging 27/6/5
@Henry cherry picking much? lol.
2011 Finals LeBron: 18/7/7 on 54%TS
2000 Finals Kobe: 16/5/4 on 43%TS
LeBron’s numbers have only gone up from his first 2 finals and played tougher teams. Look up their overall finals averages and tell me with a straight face that Kobe’s stats aren’t worse than LeBron’s.
In case you’re too delusional to bother looking them up, LeBron’s finals averages are 28/10/8 on 54%TS, Kobe’s finals averages are 25/6/5 on 51%TS
@Henry "kobe was 22 lmao"
LeBron at 22 led the Cavs to the finals and averaged 22/7/7 against the Big
Three Spurs.
"he wasnt the first option yet"
One of the reasons Kobe is not on the same tier as LeBron or Jordan, who were always the first option.
"At leasst kobe isnt afraid to shoot"
Yet he has the most missed shots of all time. Small forwards aren't required to shoot as much as shooting guards. There is a lot more to the game than just scoring, yet even in that aspect LeBron still surpasses Kobe in points and player efficiency.
"Imagine being "the best player in the world" and averaging 17 ppg on 54% ts"
Did you just ignore the rest of my reply?
@Henry
Bleacher report top 50 NBA best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS/48: LeBron
VORP: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron a better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.4%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Points scored career
LeBron 35,189✔️
Kobe 33,643
Most missed shots in NBA history
1. Kobe Bryant 14,481
2. John Havlicek 13,417
3. Elvin Hayes 13,296
LeBron more points then Kobe
Kobe more missed shots then LeBron
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 1962✔️
Kobe 1827
Total Steals career
LeBron 2,057✔️
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 979✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 73.00✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Pippen 6 rings > Kobe 5 rings so having more team awards rings dont mean better player
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings
Mavericks 4-0 swept Kobe in 2011 NBA playoffs
LeBron 16-6 owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
UMM KOBE 3PEAT AVG WAS 40 5 6 WHILE SHAQ WAS 43 12@@votux2037
@@davionkendricks259these stats can’t be accurate. Please cite your source.
I saw a lot of old games recently about kobe and I started to think about other things that it may not be pointed in here. It's a great video and a fine job as I said in other comment, but I'm half way there because now I'm in the belief that prime Kobe is better than Lebron, but he doesn't rank higher and he's not greater. From a guy who played this game (as an semi-pro level in argentina) and won and lost finals of the local and state championships, I think that there are many things to consider when comparing players. For example the system under where they're playing. While I think there's no doubt Lebron is a better passer, Kobe (and also MJ) are underrated because of the system and what the couch and the team ask them was to score the ball, they weren't ask like Lebron to create a play or run the floor as a PG. And I have two examples to support my point: 1) In 89 (correct me the year if I'm wrong) doug made MJ play as a PG for 11 games and guess what? He had 10 triple doubles with stats that would easily top Lebron, 33.6 PPG 11.4 APG 10.8 RPG
2) James harden went from a fine season to a triple double season (almost) with only big change: Mike DiAntoni and HIS SYSTEM who allowed james to handle more the ball and his team to shoot more. Did Harden went from a fine assist player to a Magic or Oscar level in one season? NO. The system allowed him to increase his stats.
The same thing can be said about many things that, to me at least, put an end to a nonsense discussion about something that it's impossible to know. For example handchecking, the pacing, and many many more things. I love your videos, but at least in my opinion, having played the game for many years and playing finals and facing many different players (skilled in so many different ways), there's no point in saying one player is the GOAT because you can't compare eras and positions. How can you said that MJ was better than Bill Russell? You can't. Because how on earth are you going to evaluate pacing, rules, context, awards that didn't existed back then, technology, and the simple fact that MJ would have not exist if not Dr. J and all the players that came before him. There's a lot of fun in comparing and trying to put one above the other, but actually there's not a single argument that can be proven to put one player above the other (I mean players that are in the GOAT tier). I've always liked how hubbie brown said it: 4 best SG, 4 best PG, 4 best SF, 4 best PF and 4 best C of all time. And if I had to make it, I would prefer to put the best five from each decade (wich to be fair, it won't be accurate). Love your vids dom, have a nice day sir
TLDR?
exactly!!
Mucho textp
Get a life
I do understand your first point. I do however, believe you'd have to take one or the other w/ LeBron. LeBron is a Point Forward for his entire career which bumps his APG stats more but I do believe that LeBron would be scoring on a level similar to Kobe and MJ were it not for him having to play point so much and only looking for his shots. That could also make him spend more energy on the defensive end (his defense isn't lacking like many LeBron haters make it out to be- I think Jordan was greater bc he was locked in more as a defender while Kobe was overrated in that department once he got into his mid-20s imo). Also, if LeBron played under Phil Jackson like MJ and Kobe did, he'd win a lot more in the Finals which would also help his argument as one of the greatest ever.
As dominant as Jordan was during that Point Guard period, it didn't come w/o any drawbacks. The Bulls were 34-23 before the Bulls' Jordan-Point-Guard experiment and while it started strong (the Bulls won 11 of the first 14 games), they would go on to lose 8 of their final 10 games. So, while Jordan got incredible numbers during that period, the Bulls only had a 13-11 record in the same span for a 54.2% win percentage. Compare that to their pre-Jordan-Point-Guard period Bulls who were a 59.7% win team. The Pistons also liked this version of Jordan more as they believed that they'd just let MJ score as many points as he wants but let the rest of the team beat them. By the end of that season, there were reports that Jordan found it too exhausting to be the PG while also being a dominant scorer and being an incredible defender simultaneously.
Kobe had a similar span (albeit far less dominant and w/ a smaller sample size) in 2013. He averaged 11.2 APG in 5 games but only scored 16.6 PPG. Similarly in the 2003 season, he once averaged 10.3 APG in a 6-game span (the Lakers only went 3-3) and his scoring lowered to 22.3 PPG when he was averaging 29 a game just before that stretch. In other words, playing PG would absolutely lead to a higher APG but it doesn't exactly mean that it's the best thing you can be for your team. In Kobe's case also, his scoring lowered big time compared to MJ and LeBron.
It's similar to KG and Duncan- both are selfless, defensive-minded, and high-IQ Power Forwards, but Duncan just happened to be drafted by the best NBA organization of the 21st century while KG was drafted by Minnesota. Had they switched positions, Duncan's stats would be greater while KG would win more championships.
Kobe took Kwame Brown and Smush Parker to the 7th seed in the wild west
Kobe also scored 15 points in a finals game and that game ended up being close aswell lol
Lebron took bunch of nobodies to the finals much more impressive
Lol lebron took the 2018 and 07 cavs which are the worst finals teams ever. He also took gsw 6 games without kyrie and klove. He care back from 3-1. And remember the game where he was 73% from the field against the celtics. Tell me if kobe was ever that efficient. Lebron is better and if you say “kobe had more skill eye test eye test” lol if we talk about eye test kd is a more skilled player than lebron but he is not better.
LucciPolo Also they would consider Curry as one of the worst players in the world because of his eyesight 😂
TNL Spider yeah aight you know nothing about basketball 👎🏾😐
I appreciate your honesty. I grew up in the early above the rim play era. I tend to lean towards the lone gunman, the volume shooter, the killer type. So, naturally I'd probably go with Kobe too. But as a pure player, James is it
This video is relevant now. You have no idea how many times I’ve seen people say the Kobe is better than LeBron. Just because he’s dead as tragic as it is, doesn’t change his stats.
Anthony Willis big faxxx
Most players been ranking Kobe over Bron way before his death
Andrew Blackop because WAY before his death he’d played like 5 seasons
NBA need to do a poll on players from 2004-2013 and see how many pick Lebron or Kobe
Lil Dagga Most players would pick Westbrook over Steph Curry but that doesn't make him better.
Players is biased
Players are biased against lebron and they love Kobe. However, stats and accomplishments with context don’t lie.
Do a poll on 2013-2018 🤣. Lebron's peak is almost 2x longer 🤣🤣🤣🤣 and higher!! Carried by Shaq btw only 2 rings
@@sanantoballa4834 that is a damn lie
Come on why state the obvious. Now even more people will continue to disrespect Kobe.
Phillip Paige Gay
Phillip Paige hes not that good damn give it up
Parthion xbl 2:33 that obviously includes you.
Parthion xbl yea cause a top 10 player of all time "isn't that good"
I’ve honestly never seen a lakers fan just admit easily LeBron is better
Oh god the comments the dislikes i can feel it
Bruhh almost 1k dislikes 😂😂
Honestly Kobe is one of the all time greats def top 10 if not top 15. But he wasn’t too 3 like he isn’t as efficient as other players. If people only see highlights then Kobe looks unstoppable. If you see actual full games you’ll see
@Michael '1st round exit' Jordan Straight facts. Kobe was not efficient as well
NEITHER IS LEBRON BY THAT LOGIC LEBRON 30. I CAN NAME 30 YOU CANTNAME 2 BETTER THAN KOBE NOT NAMED MJ LOL
Your Ratchet and clank 3 soundtrack in the background hits me with a wave of nostalgia everytime.
Especially Starship Phoenix.
3:24 When you and your homies talkin too much and the substitute teacher snaps and goes off on everybody
I respect a big Kobe fan that can admit these things. Seems like Kobe fans have this strong disdain for giving credit to LeBron.
not for giving credit to LBJ, he's a beast
but it seems that whenever there's a comparison with Kobe involved, that comparison turns to a trash-talk about Kobe (i'm not talking about this video, but in general)
Id give Lebron credit he is in the line up of GOATS but he not better than Kobe and Kobe aint better then Mike. Thats just how it is. Rings dont lie and those clutch genes dont either. Lebron is not a clutch player he is the last GOAT i'd pick for the last 2 minutes of a game to win it.
@@Naalders he has moments of being a clutch player. It's all on TH-cam
@@NaaldersLeBron is objectively more clutch Nephew
LeBron has a bad game: “hahahaha LeBum not top 10”
Kobe has a bad game: *crickets*
LeBron scores 30 on high efficiency: “shot jacker. Chasing Kareem.”
Kobe scores 30 on mid-low efficiency: “mamba mentality”
LeBron decides to play: “selfish stat padder”
Kobe decides to play: “look at him playing for the fans”
LeBron praises Jordan: “he wants to be like him so bad”
Kobe praises Jordan: “student of the game”
LeBron hits a clutch shot: *crickets*
Kobe hits a clutch shot: “OMG killer instinct”
Also believe that Lebron’s 2018 playoff performance as a whole may be the best of all time, top 3 for sure
No def not. His best wuz in 2016.
Honestly! Literally dragged those guys through the playoffs last year
Still lost...
bacho kapanadze because of jr
@@juice4528 its not 1 game series or 2 games series, They would still lose.
As a Lebron fan, I believe Kobe is as good as Lebron in terms of his overall game. Kobe is probably the best difficult shot maker of all time. My only issue is that his shot selection sometimes hurt his impact on the game. Therefore Lebron ends up having a better impact. However, when all the hard shots go in, it makes Kobe look so unstoppable and donminant, which LBJ barely did. That impression makes Kobe so lovable.
Lebron passes more when he doesn't have a good game. That's better for the team. But always playing so reasonable makes his game less exciting some time for fans who just want to see some fancy stuff. Playing right BBall when being a passer with spacing doesn't looks eyes-poping. Plus, Lebron's stiff form doesn't help much.
In terms of point production from a player, adjust to pace and era, there are a few best season. I know this from Ben Taylor, the professional NBA writer. Those are Shaq's one best season, MJ and Lebron's MVP-leveled seasons, and Stephen Curry's 73 wins season. Lebron and MJ are so productive due to the circumstances they're in and their ability to help the team with so many ways.
I love Kobe's game a bit more when I was a kid. As I learned more about more NBA offense more I started to appreciate how ball movement works. After that, I start to see how Lebron manipulates both teams. It's incredible. His ability to pass to everywhere with speed and precision is a cheat code that takes a more deep look to figure it out.
Bleacher report top 50 NBA best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
Kobe vs LeBron
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron a better player then Kobe
Field goal%
LeBron 50.4%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Most missed shots in NBA history
1. Kobe Bryant 14,481
2. John Havlicek 13,417
3. Elvin Hayes 13,296
▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️
Total Points Scored Career
LeBron 35,114✔️
Kobe 33,643
LeBron more points then Kobe
Kobe more missed shots then LeBron
Total 3pointers made
LeBron 1954✔️
Kobe 1827
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Total Steals career
LeBron 2,052✔️
Kobe 1,944
Total Blocks career
LeBron 976✔️
Kobe 640
Defensive win shares
LeBron 72.06✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Pippen 6 rings > Kobe 5 rings So having more team awards dont mean better player
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings
2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
Kobe 15.6 pts and 36.7% fg and 20% 3pt
carried by
Shaq 38.0 pts and 61.% fg and 16 rebs and finals mvp
Mavericks 4-0 swept Kobe in 2011 NBA playoffs
LeBron 16-6 owns Kobe in 22 career meetings
@@artskyea13 You can add advanced stats too kobe never lead the league in any of em lol lebron did it multiple seasons in many of it lebron has a better career bpm,dbpm and defensive win shares but to media kobes a better defender lol and lebron had points in his career he had to defend centers lol oh sorry you added dws. But this op clown says hes a lebron fan too without any clue to their stats hahaha only thing kobe has edge is rings and he owes it to his big brother shaq for 3 of it oh artest and pau for 1 too
Kobe has the 2nd most assists all time for Shooting guards btw
@@mattgowrie8580cool Bron has the most points ever despite being "pass first"
Beg to disagree!! Your arrogant self centered self proclaimed “goatee” needed to proclaim himself to be included in the “conversation”! The truth is he is nothing but a FAKE and a BIG JOKE!!
Wait, people think he’s not? Lol that’s cute
Dylan Crow, unfortunately too many morons do.
Dylan Crow their favorite quote is always “stats don’t matter” I seriously wonder if these people have just tuned out of the last 5ish years of basketball.
@@legoatjames2740facts
No signature playoff games? Torching Orlando for an entire series? Gm 7 Portland 2000, Gm 4 2000 Indiana, Game 4 2006 Phoenix. And go ask the Spurs how they feel about that statement.
And the same can’t be said about Lebron? His comeback versus Detroit, 2012 game 6 vs Boston, 2013 Finals Games 6 and 7, the 3-1 comeback in 2016, and the utter dominance of the Raptors and comeback versus Celtics in 2018 match up very well against Kobe’s playoff performances
@@roberthaughn487 Nobody is saying that LeBron doesn't have signature playoff games. Just pointing out that it's BS to say that Kobe doesn't have any (which is the crux of his entire argument)
@@roberthaughn487 IT'S EASY FOR LEBRON TO HAVE ALL THAT WHEN HE WAS CARRIED BY SUPER TEAM'S 🤣😂🤣😁
@@perry7595 the second Cavs team was at least initially considered a super team. The reason nobody remembers that is because of the rise of Golden State
The Whole series vs Nuggets 2009
LeBron James is greater then Kobe and thats coming from a Laker Fan who watched Kobe but I hate how LeBron fans (aka Nick Wright) make the narrative to absolute discredit Kobe.
So if lebron gets to the finals this year, what's gonna be the excuse, "Oh the wind was blowing at a 48 degree angle to the left of his hairline ofc he's gonna win" that's what people who critic lebron sound like
Mike Hawk we missed the playoffs and went 28-27 in the games he played 😭😭
IKR
@@BantuRH the lakers were making the playoffs and then He got injured. Still went on to average 27, 8, and 8...
@@BantuRH Look at us now..
@@BantuRH he was injured
kobe bryant is vegeta. all the skill, cunning, discipline and attitude of a warrior prince. but he aint the king
Evan Natland bruh vegeta is literally the king now.
@@oshura2506 wdym now?
@@oshura2506 I know! But he never says it he always calls himself the Prince of Saiyans
Evan Natland and the king ain’t better then Kobe.
@@brauwow nigga his dad died along with the rest of his race
As a Kobe fan I used to look for any reason to put Kobe over LeBron. Over time I accepted LeBron was better, although him joining the Lakers may have influenced that.
LeBron is better all time but its crazy when people say Kobe was never the best in the world and its been lebron since 2007
@@joesanthosh5315 You could make a very good case for Kobe as the best player in 2006, but that's about the only year where I could argue Kobe being the best player.
finally a Kobe fan with basketball knowledge
After looking into it more, I have to say Kobe's better
in the 04 finals kobe took 30 more shots than shaq and shaq still averaged 2 more points than kobe
in 04 Shaq was wallace´s bitch and of course with that size and at a 1 meter away from the basket obiously ur shot % is higher...
Shaq is directly under the cylinder and jumps 1 inch to score, of course his % and point avg was higher. There was no one more dominant than prime Shaq.
But you gotta also remember Kobe is shooting more perimeter shots
@@zone5breezy Prime Shaq would be averaging like 40 in today's NBA,there is no one who could guard him
AnubiSaO okay but taking 30 more shots and still not scoring more lmao he didn’t say anything about fg% he said ppg
I respectfully and untriggeredly disagree, Kobe > Bron
I know this has nothing to do with basketball skill (its a joke) but who blew a 3-1 lead
2010 NBA Finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA Finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points 😂
Postseason Game Winning Buzzer Beaters
LeBron 5 > Kobe 1
Kobe vs LeBron
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3PT% LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
WS: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron James better player than Kobe Bryant
Seasons avg +25 ppg
LeBron 14 > Kobe 12
Seasons avg +25 ppg on +50% fg
LeBron 8 > Kobe 0
Seasons avg +40% 3point
LeBron 1 > Kobe 0
Career high
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39
Jordan > LeBron > Kobe
They shouldn’t even be in the same conversation. Lebron is far greater than Kobe.
Why Lebron was losing so much at Olympics and World Championship and with Kobe team USA never lose a single game? in playoffs Kobe beat most 50+ win teams in history , got more rings against tougher competition in less tries with less help. Kobe had 10 prime years in NBA (2000-2010), Lebron joined in 2003, for 7 years of that time Lebron was around, while Kobe got to three finals through nightmare West conference where every team had 50+ wins, Lebron did what? Right, he was crying for help and then joined to bunch of other super stars to win his rings but even in super teams he was losing more than winning
@@thehellsong the only time Lebron lost in the Olympics is when Larry Brown didn’t play him because he was 18 years old. 😂😂😂
Meanwhile the captains Duncan and Iverson get a pass.
exactly, Iverson, Duncan, Wade, Paul, Howard, Melo, Bosh, Lebron couldn't win any worldwide international championship without Kobe@@WorldwideWyatt
@@thehellsong you’re being silly. Lebron didn’t get any run on that team, it’s insane to hold that against him. Didn’t the Lakers lose in the Finals despite having a super team that very same year? 🤔
Lebron played the most minutes in 2006 USA team what are you talkin about? Lakers "super team" didn't have any star player beside Kobe and lost in finals 4-2 to a super team with the best record in NBA having Garnett, Pierce, Allen, Rondo but Kobe still beat them two years later@@WorldwideWyatt
I like how you bring up Kobes worst games but wont bring up LeBron in 07 or 2011 or him quitting in 2018 in game 4
Lj Ellsworth he did bring up that stuff he said kobe hasn’t had a series like 11 and 07 wasn’t a bad series he needed 1 other player to beat the spurs.
Hi It's me he wouldn’t have ever beat that 07 spurs team, cause unlike lebron tim plays for the team not his individual stats
@@hiitsme3039 wasnt a bad series? He shot under 40 percent and shot like 65% from the FT line.
Yung Savage didn’t Kobe say he had to play the spurs in the west every year and the mavs went through the heat and Lakers so we can’t ignore that you can say Kobe is better than lebron or vice verse but be a little complicit
He did bring that up😂
So the two finals loses that Kobe had damaged his career but mavs finals lose and spurs lose didn’t damage lebron
Kobe lost to the same Mavs team as LeBron in 2011, got swept 4-0. Imo finals aren't everything
Lmao
Lebron finals record are used in every fucking debate !!!! What the fuck are u talm bout !!! Are u high
@@okeythegoat2332 yeah high from smoking the ashes of your dead relatives
@@okeythegoat2332 that literally doesn't justify using it just cause everyone does. Making it to the finals is harder than not making it and should not be penalized. delusional!
No memorable playoff moments, 48 and 16 to close out the kings in 01, the very next game 45 and 10 against the spurs, 2006 game winner, 2008 49 and 10 against denver
He was talking about 2008 to 2010
DOM BECAME A LEBRON GROUPIE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND A KOBE HATER LOW-KEY...
HOW IN THE HELL DOES KOBE NOT HAVE ANY MEMORABLE PLAYOFF MOMENT'S LOL
IN 08 HE TOOK OUT IVERSON AND CARMELO..AND THAN DEFEATED THE NBA CHAMPION SPURS..
IN 09,HE BLAZED THE NUGGETS IN THE WCF AND BEAT DOWN THE SAME MAGIC TEAM THAT BURIED LEBRON AND HIS 60 WIN CAVS..
THAN IN 10, HE MADE ALVIN GENTRY CALL HIM THE GREATEST SINCE JORDAN AFTER BLAZING THE SUNS IN GAME 6...
THESE DUDES GOT A SICK KOBE HATE 🤣😂🤣
OUT HERE IN L.A,KOBE IS THE KING
@@adityaparmar1389 watch the vid and listen clearly lebron better than kobe lol
@@2Pkb25 Smh from the timestamp 7:50 Tell me what he says. He CLEARLY DISAGREES with the line, saying that he torched the Orlando Magic, and had PLENTY OF GREAT PLAYOFF MOMENTS that didn't include the Finals. He just says that LeBron clearly has more all time memorable performances, he never says that Kobe NEVER had all time performances.
@@justarandomaltaccount1441 PLEASE STOP TROLLING !!!
2:56 Lebron looking like Thanos
In Kobe's prime LeBon won 2 MVP's, a scoring title, While Kobe 2 scoring titles, 1 MVP
In Kobe’s Prime, Lebron was also A Young Rookie
VIDEO STARTS @ 1:43
trenrod god bless your heart 🙏🙏🙏
SEND THIS TO TROYDAN
Pedro Cantor yes someone please send this him
Kobe is a once every 10-15 years type of player, Lebron is a one in a lifetime type of player. We've seen players like Kobe before and we'll see players like him in the near future. We've never seen a player like Lebron. 250 lbs. with that type of athleticism is unheard of. You can put Lebron in any team and they are automatically making the playoffs. As talented as Kobe is, I'm not so sure you can say the same about him.
The one thing I can say confidently about Kobe is I don’t think we will ever see his work ethic again.
That's not true. Lebron missed the playoffs is first 2 years in the league and he didn't even make the play-in tournament this season with the Lakers. He isn't automatically making the playoffs on "any team".
@@koolkai4299 yeh beacause he’s getting older now
@@koolkai4299 He had a trash team during his entire first stay in Cleveland, and he's older now and yet still playing at a high level. Without him, the Lakers don't even have a prayer
@@koolkai4299 in his prime yes but right now age is affecting his game.
This is a much more relevant debate as oppose to MJ & Lebron.
Tw1 I agree
@Tw1 lebron is greater than mj in my opinion, maybe because i am a cavs fan
Nah, everyone debated MJ & Lebron because everyone KNEW Kobe didnt even belong in that debate
@@1vaultdweller true
BananaCanGaming You can’t say he’s biased and then state something as a fact when all of this is opinionated. Your opinion is not the end all be all answer believe it or not.
People only say Kobe is better than lebron because his game is most similar to MJs, and since mj is better than lebron they think Kobe is too lol
CaneFan _ do you know how weak the east is compared to the west. You think lebron would go to the final all those times in the West. Hell no! 😂😂😂
NO. It's because his competitor's HEART is closer to MJ's and he wouldn't come off a fucking switch and let KD bury a missile up his ass for free. Get your facts straight.
Big Smooth I didnt mention nothing about how many finals lebron went too lol
What makes me irritated so many times is that a lot of Kobe fans make excuses for his obvious weaknesses or shortcomings due to "hard defensive era he played" whilst also completely forgetting the fact that Lebron PLAYED in the SAME ERA and was objectively individually a more dominant player.
Its only cuz he died. I love Kobe too but I can't let that cloud my judgement.
EXCUSES? HIS 5-2 LOL YOU MREAN LIKE ALL THE EXCUSES YALL MAKE FOR WHY HES 4-6 ON SUPER TEAMS? LOLAUDACITY
😂 Kobe had the league up until 2011. LeBron had 0 rings during that time nd wasn't making it to a championship until 11-12 and lost on a super team. How was he dominating? Without championships is WILD ASF 💯
Oh boy watch out dom Kobe fans about to call you a bronsexual. Even tho you're the farthest from a LeBron fan
You can't be rational with Kobe fans. If you're a Kobe fan and think LBJ is better then you're somehow apparently biased in Kobe fans minds.
Jack Vitale Magic couldn't shoot. Or dunk fr. He was a passer and playmaker. Kobe is all around better than magic for sure.
@@MrAVGNdude
NBA Finals 2010
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
NBA Finals 2013
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Game winning playoffs buzzer beaters
LeBron 5 > Kobe 1
Kobe vs LeBron
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3PT%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
WS: LeBron
PER: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player than Kobe
Season avg +25 ppg
LeBron 14 > Kobe 12
Season avg +25 ppg on +50% fg
LeBron 8 > Kobe 0
Season shooting +40% 3pt
LeBron 1 > Kobe 0
Career high
Kobe 28-46 and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
LeBron 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
🐐Jordan > LeBron > Kobe
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg most missed shots ever and 3x sidekick isn't top 9 all time player 😂
Anders Kimble While you're searching the Internet for that copy and paste spam, look up the shooting % for both teams in game 7. Show me who was actually efficient by your standards.. Did ray Allen shoot well? What about rondo? Lamar Odom? KG? Did anybody have a super efficient game? I'll wait here..
@@MrAVGNdude
Kobe suppose to be best player i don't care what other players shooting % is if yo hero Kobe Bryant is great as you say he is he should shoot better in a do or die game 7
I think the gap from MJ (goat) to Lebron is smaller than from Lebron to Kobe.
Brian scalabrine is the Real goat
Fredrik Ged hahahah such an original, not at all overused comment.
Fredrik Ged And he always will be. But this is an argument between all the other lesser players
Some crazy fans really need to be educated
I’ve been a lakers fan since I was four but I always liked lebron over Kobe just bc of his play style but facts are facts lebron is better then Kobe
this gonna trigger lots
Everyone talks about Kobe LeBron and MJ but no one talks about flight with no cameras on and brian scalabrine
This isnt about this video but the reason that people use the 2011 finals to shame lebron in the goat conversation is that mj would never do such a thing whereas lebron did. And thats why he is not the goat
I'm just saying this as a guy who doesn't care one way or the other on the goat debate, but I think Jordan would've gotten creamed by Hakeem if he stayed those years instead of going to baseball. Hakeem and the Rockets were on a mission, just like Dirk and the Mavs were. There's no excuse for Lebron going lethargic but I think we didn't get to see what coulda happened
I agree that Lebron is greater but, hes done more with less talent? He had to create a superteam in Miami and then another super team in Cleveland when he went back. And dont say Kevin Love is trash because hes an amazing talent, more versatile than Pau Gasol. I just think most of his teammates decline when they go to play with him because they get turned into spot up shooters.
people act like K love is a superstar lmao
3 all stars on one team isn't a super team? with great role players all around, Shumpert, Tristan, Jefferson etc
he's not a superstar but hes still an all star for a reason... ppl act like hes trash but have probably never seen him play in Minnesota. He isn't used correctly
nope, without Bron, they wouldn't be close to the finals
Yea in this system he cannot be superstar
Let’s see how overrated he is:
This is ALL TIME NBA RANKINGS
Points per game
1. MJ - 30.12
5. Lebron - 27.13
12. Kobe - 24.99
VORP
1. Lebron - 142.60
2. MJ - 116.05
12. Kobe - 80.15
PER
1. MJ - 27.91
2. Lebron - 27.34
28. Kobe - 22.90
Win shares
2. Lebron - 249.52
5. MJ - 214.02
16. Kobe - 172.74
Box plus/minus
1. MJ - 9.21
2. Lebron - 8.86
31. Kobe - 4.55
Offensive box plus/minus
1. MJ - 7.17
2. Lebron - 7.06
17. Kobe - 4.62
Defensive box plus/minus
24. MJ - 2.05
35. Lebron - 1.79
KOBE IS NOT EVEN RANKED IN THE TOP 250 ON THE ALL TIME LIST…. Wtf lol
Are we missing something here, because these are facts smh. Kobe Bryant was an Ok (not great) player and for people to have him in the conversation of the goat is mental illness at its finest, dude is so overrated that is comical, it’s really pathetic how people are delusional to facts.
I agree expect you saying kobe wasn’t a great player. He definitely was but lebron and MJ are goat level players
I love your point most people call him the goat because of his mentality and that's wrong
To say he wasn’t great is insane.
No matter how you wanna slice it Lebron is a better overall performer in the Playoffs, Finals, Game 7’s, and Elimination Games. It is what it is 🤷🏿♂️
Something I want to point out is that you’re pointing out the best moments from lebrons championship runs and the worst moments from when Kobe lost in the finals
That's because the review is quite biased really, and is created to glorify Lebron while depricating Kobe. Yknw, nobody can take away Lebron's greatness. He is a marvel and we are incredibly lucky to have gotten to watch him play at this kind of level for this long. However, we were very fortunate to get to watch Kobe too, and I'm sure in time he will be held in the correct regard that he deserves.
THATS WHAT DELUSIONAL BRONSEXUALS DO
Kobe fans say that all nba players choose Kobe overclebton
Where’s the lie
Dom2k you should make a top 10 List of the most skilled nba players of all time
Kobe fan. This debate is dumb. Lebron is a flat out better basketball player than Kobe.
Same here idk why ppl argue this
Exactly
He didn’t even mention the fact that Lebron beat the 73-9 Warriors and Kobe’s airballs against the Jazz in 97
Dr Freddostein wow a whole rookie season? you must feel great about that. 5-2 record in the finals with averaging over 20 in all finals except the first one bc he got hurt. lebron?? 3-6 needs superteam to win to help me LOL
Verceezy he wasn’t a rookie in 97
Verceezy if thats what ur saying then kobe needs shaq to win right
TNL Spider Draymond got himself suspended by taking it off the deep end, and that was also for 1 game, Game 5, after they were up 3-1! So lets say that the Cavs win Game 5 because Draymond was gone (even though they still would’ve won) then Draymond is back for Games 6+7 to close it out. That suspension makes no difference to the outcome of that series.
TNL Spider it doesn’t particularly matter who started it, Draymond escalated it and got suspended. The Cavs won by 15 points, I don’t think the Warriors would’ve won but who’s to say, and it doesn’t matter BECAUSE THEY HAD GAME 6 AND 7 TO CLOSE OUT THE SERIES!!
income the dislikes from the delusional kobe fans
WE GOT ENOUGH DELUSIONAL BRONSEXUALS THAT THINK LOSING MAKES YOU GREAT
How is Lebron being better than Kobe even a discussion? He passed Kobe years ago
Exactly. I think it was done after 2016
@@re-mix1040 before 2016, people were saying if lebron was above Jordan after 2016 so at best lebron 2nd ring if honestly not first ring.
Stats really don’t go over wins. At the end of the day LeBron may average 2 more points but Kobe has 2 more rings.
Rings aren't won by 1 player.
In Kobe’s case they are
Lebron got three more mvps
@@tylerweems5665 that is 🧢 you ain't even trying to hide it
thats alot of damage yeah nah that last part was but still winning is far more than just statistics.
Players would say Kobe for a reason. Like we know🤦🏾♂️ we didn’t play with them, they did
For fucks sake
LeBron : Better
Kobe : Greater
MJ : Both
whether it be lebron kobe or mj, learn to respect greatness!
on a side note, seeing the classic wade no look assist to lebron at 7:37 gave me some hard hitting feels
I used to think this too, but it’s a reason the players and coaches say Kobe and people who’ve never touched a ball like TH-camrs and ESPN say Bron.
Facts
Yeah and that reason is called Nostalgia. They let feelings blind them to fact, and the fact is Lebron beats Kobe in almost every single category. Lebron has been so great for so long that people have become numb to it and take it for granted.
Hate is the reason
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@5:41 Bias. I clean remember Bron trying to close against the Bulls with Noah gaurding him around the FT line. Easy shot, instead he drives on Noah, Taj Gibson, and Boozer. Misses. Game over. This instantly came to mind
Kobe was better shooter by far: 12 three's made in a game, 80+ percent FT, more entertaining to watch, better handle, more consistent defender. Kobe had better coaching, better franchise, better talent to play with
lol lebron was a better three-point shooter than kobe by far.............kobe was a hot streaky shooter who bricked a lot from 3 lolol.....he is more of a mid-range shooter pure faxx lol.
Better coaching?
@@davidjames6036 Kobe took much more difficult shots than lebron and that is a fact
I love the video. My only thing is. How can I put two people in the same convo if one player is clearly better than the other.
Not only a prime Shaq, imagine if young Lebron had Phil Jackson as his coach, Lawd have mercy.
Yea he doesnt need help.. he only had Wade, Bosh , Ray, Irving, Love, Davis, Westbrook, Howard, Rondo etc.. I know some of them were past their prime but still better than some role players Mj and Kobe played in their career..
Now imagine if MJ and Kobe had 3 all star/hof calibre on their team to suit Shaq and Pippen respectively? Lawd have mercy..
And MJ did it with only Pippen 3x and another 3x with Rodman as well while LBJ losing 6x in the process with all the help he can get..
@@ranholic5027 Kobe had a team that had Shaq, Payton, Malone and lost to Detroit pistons team that had no super stars on it, Kobe had a team that had Steve Nash , prime Dwight Howard and that barely made the playoffs meanwhile every so called stacked team that Lebron every won a ring or lost in the finals, nice try though
@@ranholic5027 and oh yeah, let’s leave out the fact Kobe has never made it to the finals without the GOAT Phil Jackson, ps none of Lebrons teammates are better than prime Shaq
@@330dinero8 So? if you combine all the help that Lebron have in his career then it will be all greater than Shaq.. but yepp he was always lose and lets not forget the 2011 finals yikes
@@330dinero8 yea nice try too.. but Lebron have as many help or more than Kobe ever had and yea especially MJ he only had Pippen Phil and Rodman (in the 2nd 3peat) but Lebron? Lol he lose like what 6 times and in 2011 finals with all the help in the world he chose to froze and choked the hell out 🤣
I agree. Kobe doesn’t have a case
60 points on 50 shots attempts...enough said
He was old and with an Achilles turn and scoring 60 points even at that efficiency is amazing but I’ll rather pick Lebron as a better player but I have Kobe 5 on my list of greatest players of all time
LeBron in the 2015 finals was getting 35 off 40 wats your point? 😂
Maybe instead of getting 50 he should've tried to stop Kevin Durant and stopped switching on defense did you bring that up? Kobe did whatever it took to win if shit too many shots so be it what did it result into? Playing baske8is about wins and losses you can give extra points for likeability and off the court stuff but c'mon end results plz .
Karene Gainer bro look at the finals against the Pistons.. Kobe legit shot the lakers out of that series.. All they had to do is give the ball to Shaq and would have had another chip
@@abros4205 Shaq did get the ball him scoring 40-50 points a night wasn't going beat the pistons . They had way too much of balance scoring Shaq going for 50 may be yo strategy but that wasn't going to beat the balanced attack from DET
First stint Cavs lebron was putting up better numbers and that isn’t even considered his peak. It shouldn’t be a debate on who’s better
R.I.P KOBE
Respect ur points but I dont agree many things u said are opinion like memorable performence that is opinion because I vividly remember Kobe closing out the pacers while shaq was out all that with a messed up ankle how about the magic series how about when he destroyed the suns in 2010 the spurs in 08 the nuggets in 09 these were all stacked teams and the celtic series in 2010 he had 1 bad game by hes standards but even then he posted 23 15 6 so yeah.....he killed the celtics the games prior to that and coutless other performences so.....
Respectfully disagree. He's had memorable performances but not nearly at the same rate as LeBron. I like Kobe but Kobe has at times been a detriment more times than LeBron has
In LeBron's finals losses only two went over 5 games. When you say LeBron plays well enough to give his team a chance that was literally the one series you pointed out.
That doesn't matter. He said he gave them a chance to wins games, that doesn't have to mean he actually won them. A 5 game series would be considered very competitive if all the games are close.
@@ThePsp123789 Exactly