The REAL Reason Lebron Will NEVER Surpass Jordan
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Somehow James harden got fouled in this video
4 point play
LMAO
For real though
Lebron James Harden 🤔
LMAO!!! Bruh!
You forgot to mention he left to play baseball and returned to win 3 more rings lmao.
Suspensed for gambling but called it a break for the PR, Stern had his back
With a great bulls team yes.
Uchiha Madara they were not great, they were just good
@@itsdavidfr2594 Jordanites would make all sort of alibis so as not to make their god look bad 😂 keep tryin'
Matt Lombo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS FUNNY
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Best comment I've ever seen. Simple yet powerful. ty and you too Chelsea have a successful life
I can say as a Celtics fan since 1981. I have seen them all. I watched Jordan's entire career. I've seen LeBron his entire career. Guys, just stop. Trust me. I am no Bulls fan. If you actually watched both players during their careers this isn't a debate. Jordan was superior by more than you think. Honestly, LeBron is great. Fantastic. All time great. He's not Jordan. Never was. Never will be. Don't listen to Shannon Sharpe, or Nick Wright.. they have zero credibility.
lil nug wilt was better than lebron. But you’re right about mj, there will never be another mj.
WhatIfFloyd WasWhite Kobe?
lil nug Kobe is literally Mj
I never got to watch him but my dad did and he said Jordan is better
Evan Walker Jordan has more MVPs and championships and better stats
LeBron lost his chance to become the GOAT when he lost to the Mavs back in 2011 and became outscored by Jason Terry.
Ok boomer
OuTsCoReD By JaSoN TeRrY. You all blame LeBron James for choking in the 2011 Finals. What about the “clutches player of all time”, Michael Jordan? this list might explain why Michael Jordan wasn’t so significantly clutch.
1986 R1 G3 19 points 40%
1987 R1 G3 8/30 shooting
1989 ECF series tied 2-2 away game Jordan takes 8 shots the whole game going 4/8
1989 R2 G2 6/19
1990 R1 G4 6/20
1990 ECF G2 5/19
1990 ECF G7 11/28
1991 Finals G3 10/27
1992 R2 G6 9/25
1992 ECF G2 6/22
1992 ECF G6 10/27
1992 Finals G4 11/26
1993ECFG1 10/27 2reb 4ast
1993 ECF G2 12/32
1993 ECF G3 3/18
1993 ECF G6 8/24
1993 Finals G3 57min 44 points on 43 shots👌
1995 R1 G4 8/24
1995 R2 G1 8/25
1995 R2 G4 9/24
1996 R2 G1 14/35
1996 R2 G2 7/23
1996 R2 G3 15/35
1996 ECF G3 5/14 6reb 2ast
1996 Finals G2 9/23
1996 Finals G4 6/19
1996 Finals G6 5/19
1997 R2 G3 7/20
1997 R2 G5 8/23
1997 ECF G2 4/15 6reb 3ast
1997 Finals G3 9/22
1997 Finals G4 10/27
1998 R1 G1 11/27
1998 ECF G1 11/28
1998 ECF G3 9/22
1998 ECF G7 9/25!
1998 Finals G2 14/33
1998 Final G3 7/14 3reb 2ast
1998 Finals G5 9/26
1998 Finals G6 15/35
Jordan faced a tougher defense in every game you listed than LeBron and his superteam Heat faced against the old Mavs.
Zamppa86 hahaha 😂 zone defense didn’t even existed back than, and all of the nineties defenders are suck so no one could guard mj... mj wouldn’t survive the skill era of the ‘00-‘20
Claiming "MJ would not survive the 00-20 era" just proved you know nothing about basketball or simply are way too young to know and understand.
The era when MJ played, 80s and 90s, was dominated by big men, centers ruled the league. There was physicality and real defense. Smaller players were punished physically when they drove to the paint. Contacts were allowed. Hand checking was allowed. Yet still MJ managed to score the most points and did it efficiently. It was 'unnatural' for a shooting guard to score with above 50 % shooting during that time but MJ did it. His averages also went up during the playoffs but of course he aswell had bad games as he was also just a human. The best basketball player of all time but still human.
This "skill era" as you call it began around 2003 when less contact was allowed and hand checking became prohobited. NBA did this because they wanted more scoring and highlights to sell more tickets and to get more money. That made it easier for guards to score and harder to defend when less and less contact was allowed.
MJ averaged 35 ppg and 37 ppg efficiently at the late 80s when contact was allowed much more and hand checking was allowed along with real paint protection. So don't come claiming he would not survive this era :D Several former players have announced that MJ would average 40 ppg during this softer era.
Your claim has now been totally destroyed.
There's a big difference between Greatest of this Era and Greatest of all Time.
rayrza2 delete this before bronsexuals see this
He's (LEBROOM) not even the greatest in this era!
N21 dont waiste your time arguing with idiotic ignorance, if they can’t see that Lebron is the greatest of this era they just simply don’t watch basketball
RcDw Yeah Lebron is the greatest of this era but definitely not the greatest of all time
Phaminator there is no greatest of all time too many eras different rules different playstyle. Centers weren’t shooting 3s like that in the 80s and 90s now almost every center can shoot 3s.
Can he stop Jason Terry?
😆
He dunked on Jason terry
@@yessirkilo7017 at least terry didn't "CHOKE". 🤭🤭🤭
@@yessirkilo7017 no he didn't dunk on Jason Terry you bronsexual, that was a 3 vs 1 fast break where Terry had to guard leflop and 3 of his teammates, not impressive at all, leflop couldn't even guard Jason Terry as Terry drove by lebron scoring lay up after lay up as leflop stood there embarrassed and defenseless, leflop only averaged 17 points per game to Terry's 18 and Terry averaged 11 less minutes of playing time than leflop, enough said
Jordan had to retire 3 times for this to even be a DISCUSSION
TwArDxL people use that as an argument . That was his choice to retire three times. So if lebron chose to retire 10 times. People in the future would say well he did retire 10 times right? So he should if won more rings no that’s an invalid argument next!
Wave City lebron can do whatever he wants but what Jordan did in 11 years wit the bulls is untouchable the fact he retired 3 times and it’s still the way it is, is sum 🐐 shit so like I said if he doesn’t ever retire lebron isn’t even talked about I got lebron top 5 but not near Jordan
@@SILMANTV good point
So what? If he didn't maybe we all would believe that he is the goat but did he retire? Yes , so this comment its stupid
TwArDxL If MJ didn't retire 3 times, I'm sure he'd be an 8-time champion. He'd win in '94 and '95.
The LeBron more athletic argument doesnt hold water either.
1. He's not faster than MJ
2. He doesnt have a quicker 1st step than MJ.
3. MJ great leaper off both one leg and two legs. LeBron just off one leg.
4. Lebron's strength shows in transition, but his low post game weaker than MJs. He even had to go take post up lessons from Olajuwon. Facts.
Case closed.
MJ has the highest recorded vertical in the NBA...48"
5. Lebron can't walk on air like MJ
6. He doesn't have the original mamba mentality
7. Lebron is not a reliable free throw shooter in the clutch like MJ
Agreed my man. Absolutely truth!
Preach
@@kirkcallanta1285 8. LeBron can't shoot free throws 😂
You forgot that MJ makes free throws with his eyes closed. Lebron Barely Makes them with both eyes open.
MJ closed his eyes just to troll Mutombo, cause MJ knows he can shoot freethrows in his sleep while Bron probably needs to pray in every clutch free throws.
IKR😂😂😂
John Mcgee and MJ IS 6-6 in finals. Never lost, never saw a game 7.
John Mcgee never choke
John Mcgee and tell me what playoff season did jordan shot 77%?
Can you imagine Lebron playing against the Detroit Bad Boys or the Knicks with Ewing, Oakley, Mason, & McDaniel? He constantly cries for fouls in today's NBA, 5 minutes against some of the defenses back when defense was allowed would have him going home in tears. Try flopping back then and those guys will give you a reason to be flat on your back.
Lol, remember the "Jordan Rules". LeBron would probably quit basketball if teams did that these days.
Lol so tru
@Patrick Lorei '19 do you see Kobe Flop ???? Yeah right the answer No
You do realize that what defense was back then was literally just hacking and grabbing people
@@Noofizz back then there's no such as thing as "Zone" back then Defense was "Man to Man" so you have to Rotate all the time.... If you stay to far from your men.... You're gonna give enemy free throw because of Illegal Defense
You kill it once you show the facts= 13 years vs James 16 years. And like I always say, if MJ played for 20 years imagine where would he be on the leading points list? MJ is the truth and the real G.O.A.T
Except he didn't play for 20 seasons so no it doesn't matter how long they played it matters what they did in that time so if LeBron surpasses Mike in his 22nd season he still beat Mike but LeBron has not passed Mike yet but he still has the chance
Connor Jacobson Literally matters as it took Lebron many more seasons to finally reach or surpass Jordan’s records which he set in less seasons at just 13. Imagining calling yourself the GOAT when you need more seasons/more advantages to beat the stats of the actual GOAT. This further proves the point of MJ being the GOAT LOOOL
@@donknife6213 Thank you, people forget to use logic nowadays
@@riosiscold9865 trust me bro
Some Guy ohh stop with this nonsense, no matter which era, MJ would have and always will ball 🤷🏻♂️🤫
The crazy thing is when people say mj had no competition! I look at them for a second and just walk away
That's ludicrous. He played in the era of the bad boys from detroit where they didn't just want to keep you from scoring, they wanted to punish you. Remember the Jordan rules. They put him on the floor virtually every time he drove to the hoop. Today's NBA is a powder puff league where you can't d up like you could back then. Imagine Detroit playing GS. Steph would be on his butt every time he'd try to put up a 3. I doubt he'd be posing for his 3 point shots much after getting hard fouled. Not saying Lebron isn't great, but you are right in that defense back then was so much rougher. And oh yea, Jordan had to play through Isiah Thomas, Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Drexler and the list goes on an on.
Exactly, and mj had to play with a league full of dominate big men, there is big men now, but its mostly SF, SG,PG that are constantly dominate year after year. Therefore, jordan had to play against people who were 6 to 8 inches taller than him
@@imnotasfunnyasithinkiam1445 man that Detroit defense was a joy to watch
Unless they were beating up on my Bulls :). It was so much fun watching games back then. Now it's just a 3pt contest. Oh well we must adapt or stop watching.@@barisk6855
The Blazers, Jazz, Suns, S-Sonics were not Golden State. The Bulls did not, ever, go to the finals against a superior team. They went against good teams, with great names.
Idk why people always compare. There will be no more other MJ and there will be no more other LBJ they both great. but theres always a Steph Curry with 40 inch vertical 😂
Who, Lonzo? 😂
in the future there will be a steph curry with a 40 inch vertical. people are training kids to shoot 3s from super young right now. and that guy will surpass MJ and lebron.
@@johnnyboi331 they will surpass them in shooting 3s. NBA will be just that. Drive and kick. Gets really boring....
Where did that meme come from?
@@Zero-wy2gx young precise
The real Reason Lebron Will never Surpass Jordan fits in 1 simple word : ATTITUDE.
One has a winner's mentality and attitude, the other one's got that of a quitter.
Amen to that!
Goats and Chickens don't share the same skin.
MJ is 🐐
But LeBron he's the COAT 🧥
The chicken 🐔 of all time.
u are damn right
Respect greatness. You can push mj up without pushing lebron down. By no means is lebron the goat, but calling him chicken is plain stupid. He was an amazing player, and we shouldn’t criticize him because he is the only way to make this goat conversation interesting
@Mr. Layth Adrian I'd put Larry and Kobe on equal footing to MJ when it comes to the will to win.
He won mvp scoring title and DPOY in the same year
Mj is the greatest
RBG yea but it was kinda odd that he won the MVP that year when his team was only 50-32, tied for 7th best record that year with the Atlanta Hawks. I’d say switch 1988 with 1997.
LeBron won MVP and got robbed for DPOTY twice in 2008 and 2013. DEFINITELY shouldve won DPOTY in 2013
@@theballereli nope
Steals leader that season too
He still isn't a better scorer than Kobe. See, Kobe is the real Goat.
LeBron is not better than Kobe, Magic or Kareem. Right now LeBron is neck and neck with Larry Bird
Don't be disrespecting bird like that
ewj omega kobe is not even top 10
Lebum got swept in the finals.... yeah,let that sink in... a GOAT would NEVER allow that to happen, end of story.
Mj would have gotten swept but he didn’t even make to the final by himself
@@bigmon1826 "would have" does not mean it HAPPENED, stop making excuses for Lebum
@@bigmon1826 so youre saying LBJ got to the final by himself? Curry, Duncan n Dirk? n all these (curry is debatable since KD) just going around recruiting superstar player to play with them?
@@5at5una hes a Bronsexual, another Lesbro, that explains it ALL
Jordan got swept in the first round lmao
Could you imagine in this era how many points Jordan would score with no hand checking and him going to the line after every shot because, offense.
Probably around 40-5-5 with a 53% field goal, and around 36% from 3
Fun fact most players that that went from hand checking to no hand checking said it was harder to score in the no hand checking era. Jordan would probably be doing around 23-5-6
Tobias Chambers fun fact, the actual stats on PPG disagree.
@@ellisv75 if tgeir ppg went up why is the score of basketball games going down? There was a time were 120 was normal before hand checking, now in the 2000"s 120 games are rare. The interviews with players before that played in both eras said no hand checking was harder
Tobias Chambers bra stop
Jordan would have never left chicago to form a big 3. He stayed loyal and brought them 6 chips. Thats why Lebron will never pass him. Also MJ is 6-6 in the finals, Lebron is 3-9.
@keepnitreel 4me yeah i meant 6 of 6 thats why i said 3 of 9 for Lebron
7 rings if he wanted to like in 94
How can anyone say that lebum is better than MJ in rebounds and assists when MJ is a SG therefore distributing the ball is not his role... Its scoring. While in rebounds obviously lebum is a small forward so he should rebound more being the "bigger" player as they say... And assists, lebum should have more coz he holds the ball too much, being his teams point forward. Being the G.O.A.T only has 2 qualities... The player should be great at scoring and at the same be as great in defense... Other stats are there for the other teammates to accomplish. Lebum is nowhere near MJ, not even better than LARRY LEGEND LOL End of debate... If there was one. Smh
Spot on bro MJ is goat even Bird was better than Lebron.
Thank you, it's nice to read a comment that is true.
Lebron’s assists numbers are a function of him being the center of the offense. He brings the ball up the court. Jordan didn’t play in that sort of offense under Phil Jackson. When Jordan actually played point guard for the latter half of the 1988-89 season, he put up crazy numbers. He averaged nearly a triple double.
As us kids who where born in the 80s remember the jordan days the most it was pure magic from the fade aways to him soreing through the sky its like time stopped when he did. He had and impact on all of us in those days he was a true player and all around athlete. I never felt anything from lebron but me me me its all about me no memories to keep or moments to keep it was all about him and his greed. Mj is the goat plain and simple but unless you were is his era and watched or went to his games you will never truly know the feeling we all got when he stepped onto that court we knew it would be special.
Patrick Lorei '19 we aren’t talking about how they are as people. We are talking about on the court. Yes Lebron does way more for the community, and is great with people, but that shit don’t matter on the court. You either ball out, or leave. I’ll take a closer in MJ than a nice person outside the gym to win me a championship.
@Patrick Lorei '19 And Jordan donated his whole year salary for the 911 victims. So?
@Patrick Lorei '19 lebron is not even in the top 10 dude..there are much better players,kobe even pippen,magic,shaq all these guys are way better..i read all your comments in this video and you are hating Mj.but Mj is the best player ever end of story.Everyone on the planet knows Mj,the number 23,the "air jordan",the nike air shoes..i mean cmon...I live in europe and Mj is the reason that everyone in europe started watching NBA..now nba is just borring so just pls stop posting bullshit...its a really hard road to become the best so yes you have to be a strong character as well,otherwise other people will easily put u down.Mj was a leader thats it,he was not a bad person,he was smart..He would put you down with words,he would do anything to win.but it was also the way he was playing,the way he was shooting,the way he used to stay up in the air,his style was unique...none can come close that..Lebron is just a good player..i dont understand how can u compare him with MJ,forget the stats..just watch them playing. I dont see anything special with lebron just a good player... Even kobe was more impressive in everything.. Magic once told "its mj and then the rest of us"..ask people in europe,believe me 90% dont even know who lebron is..ask about Mj everyone knows him..because he is the best,ge is the person who made chicago bulls really big,he played against some of the top players in nba history and manage to win and stay on top..even the usa dream team "all star" was unbeatable back then..
@Patrick Lorei '19 i never said lebron is average. I said he is a very good player . But thats it. He has a good story about how he grew up i understand this.he is a good guy i also understand this. But watching him playing,even his best off on youtube,i have never said "wow how the f@ck did he do that" ..after 25 years watching mj i still say that after watching him playing.Thats what i am trying to say...He is missing that "wow factor" in his game that MJ had. Everyone can score but not many players can make you say wow how did he do that
@Patrick Lorei '19 lets move forward with this subject. You already said that jordan is the goat so we agree on that:) Lebron at this moment is probably the best player on nba i guess we also agree on that as well:) so of course we are 2 completely different persons we canot agree on everything but neither of us is right or wrong as its subjective how each of us see things) but we both love basketball and that is all that matters..:)
Its the same old conversation.
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. LeBron
LeBron is the best player of this generation. Kobe is the best player of the last generation. MJ before that.
Jordan and Kobe are the best clutch players ever. LeBron is good but not the best.
You can’t bring championships into a GOAT argument because Championships are won as a team.
When you consider Game Winning shots, it took LeBron until his 11th year in the NBA to be considered a clutch closer at the end of games. Jordan and Kobe were closing games early on in their careers.
LeBron is feared because of his size and power in the paint, whether he be slashing or posting up, he could bully some people and usually got the better outcome.
Kobe and MJ had to use their shooting and athleticism to go against taller and bigger inside players. Something LeBron doesn’t need to stress in todays NBA.
LeBron hasn’t been through the turmoil that Kobe and MJ had in their careers with talent and coaching. Probably because LeBron tries to do everything including the coaching.
All in all. I take it that the points are very obvious. There is still argument to this without factoring in Rings and MVP votes and all that jabber yabber. You cant say the same about LeBrons side of the argument.
Couldn't have said it better myself. 👏
This conversation pisses me off tbh. It will never change, LeBron can be the leader in career points in 2023 and win 2 more championships and it doesn’t matter.
@@KDSRirelandboy1 I agree with you and it also pisses me off. I love Kobe but if LeBron becomes the scoring leader at the end of his career and win 2 more championships then he definitely has surpassed Kobe but the latter will always be debatable because of other factors.
CMcycle The reason I wouldn’t place LeBron above Kobe is because Kobe went through a lot more outside the game than LeBron ever has. And still he delivered night in night out. LeBron can get two more championships and hold the career points lead but he has never been in adversity like Kobe or Jordan. And even if you factor that out, LeBron has never been a consistant
defender.
IQ speaking, sure LeBron has the edge. But thats relating to the generation,the tools to obtain knowledge are far easily accessable. But if you look at overall playstyle, Jordan and Kobe had more challenges than LeBron despite generations because of the fact that injuries were far scarier.
@@KDSRirelandboy1 I agree that Kobe has gone through more adversity outside the game than LeBron but that just shows how better of a man LeBron is. He's a good father, a family man, helps people and has never had such problems like Kobe had with the rape cause. However, we're talking about the game and we should not blame LeBron for being a good man but if you are saying that LeBron becoming the number one on the all time scoring list and win 2 more championships than Kobe will not warrant him to surpass Kobe then I don't know what will. Until then I would pick Kobe over LeBron.
I've seen Lebron quit in championships where the games came close and he couldn't make the difference just sat on the bench pouting... I saw Lebron blame his team for his losses instead of taking it on himself. Plays in a softer era of Basketball (where they apparently also ignore traveling) The guy is a Talent vampire, took players away from their teams to play with him for ridiculous amounts of money so he can have an easier time getting to championships and yet still loses more than he's won with super teams built for him for all except for his first one which he lost btw. It's because of him we live in an Era of Super Teams.
Tbh kobe is the second best player for me
it really makes me wonder why Kobe as soon as he retired was completely forgotten as a GOAT candidate and everything is centered in Lebron. I cant quite understand it
@@gadget00 same i mean the guy has more nba finals wins that lebron yet his overlooked
Dude, Kobe doesn't even make the top 10 all-time!!! Possibly not even top 15, not sure!! He played just like Jordan, very similar yes, but come on!! Without Shaq......please!!
@@Stevesrssrssrs he won 2 championships with shaq
@@slaevalex2497 And?
He's the Tiger Woods of the NBA. Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda but Didn't surpass the greatest of the previous generation.
Haumana tiger just won another major
@@dsorrells999 ... Should be past Nicklaus right now. Coulda done it already.
Bruh you bout to get so many dislikes from salty LeBron fans it's not even funny 😂
Why do you people try to pretend like LeBron is trash🤣🤣🤣
@@erictaylor5123 No one is saying LeBron is trash, he's one of the greatest of all time. He just not THE GOAT.
@@KaelenB Explain why you think Jordan is the goat?
@@erictaylor5123 the guy in the video explains it better than I could, but if you don't like this one, there's a vid by Dom2k which is also really well made.
@@KaelenB I watched Mj play his entire career but I don't think he's the greatest I've ever seen. Everyone doesn't have to like the same player. I happen to think several nba players could be in that discussion, so based on what I witnessed with my own eyes I find it laughable that many people have just placed Mj at the top...
His Airness is the GOAT, no one comes close sorry millennials that is just the way it is.
Even NBA 2k19 thinks MJ is G.O.A.T in franchise mode with Jordan on social media he’s referred to as G.O.A.T
Wilt Chamberlain. As Wilt told MJ at the NBA 50th Anniversary Team: they changed the rules to make it EASIER for you to dominate. They changed the rules to make it HARDER for me to dominate.
A lot of Millennials (82-96) grew up in the 90s & watched Jordan, myself included, and even I have to say Wilt is the better individual player. Millennials = Jordan & Kobe fans. Generation Z = Lebron & Curry fans
@ Mark Sockwell--- Pfft, loser talk! Like Lebron, Wilt also lost more finals than he won. He went to the finals six times, he won twice. I guess the league made it really tough for Wilt.
The basketball goat is Patrick McCaw
3 season
3 rings
🤣🤣
If Lebron wanted to be the GOAT he should have stayed in Cleveland for his entire career.
Joe Stevens is kinda knew to basketball. Can you please explain to me why most of the top 10 players of all time were loyal to there team? And why is that a necessity to be recognized as the goat?
Being the GOAT is more then stats
If you stay on the same team for your entire career it demonstrates loyalty. Also by staying on the same team and taking them from ok to champions that makes you a legend to the fans. That loyalty and legend status is immeasurable but I think you need it to be considered the GOAT. I don’t know if it’s fair but that seems to be the way it works.
If LeBron stayed in Cleveland and lead them to three or more Championships I think he would have more supporters for him being the GOAT.
Ok but Jordan didn’t he went th Washington
@@marvindeh4926 He did, but that was after he won six championships in Chicago and was already considered the GOAT
I totally agree on this one. When MJ came back to the league to the wizards he did this like a project. ANd before the injury he was averaging superstar stats at the age of 40. A feat I can only see a handful of players achieving at that age (and even in their prime) Lebron has been really consistent, I'll give you that, but when you see a 1vs 1 against Kobe... He doesn't seem like the GOAT to me. Watch any game, from any season when they played. When Kobe guards him, he lets him know who's in charge
Straight facts! MJ the GOAT and whoever is second aint even close, which aint leflop. sorry kids.
Bill Russell is the GOAT. 11 championships. And, I'm a Laker fan. So, I have no love for the Celtics.
Frank Coronado context son. you dont understand the context of your words. by your reasoning, Robert Horry is better than MJ and Leflop
Russell led those Boston teams.That's a huge difference between him and Horry. The only reason you think Jordan is the best is because he was great in you're lifetime. And, you can see all his highlights. Russell dominated the league in his era. If Russell played now and won the Celtics 11 championships. People would have no doubt he was the greatest. Jordan is just fresh in people's memory.
Frank Coronado Yeah if he won them today. Bill played when the league was only 6 teams. most players were so broke they had second jobs. Most players were shitty white boys and there was no free agency. All that makes his rings less valuable. If he won them in MJ’s or todays era, yeah he’d be the goat but we all know he wouldn’t. Many players equal his stats minus rebounding and rings, rebounding because the lane is wider now. Rules are different. You still don’t understand context. When its all understood, said and done, MJ is by far the GOAT
Well, you're forgetting the league was a lot rougher than, too. Jordan wouldn't have lived if he played in that era. He would have gotten his head taken off. People forget how the rules have changed to accommodate more scoring and protect players. And, less competition is bullshit. Russell went up against Chamberlain. Wilt was so dominant he averaged 50 points a game for a season. Travel was worse. There were no private planes to get you to your destination. Playing basketball than was a lot harder than today. He is dismissed because there was no ESPN to run constant highlights of him.
LeBron has only had one other all nba player with him every time he’s played meanwhile Jordan had Toni kukoc Scottie popper and Dennis Rodman
Then lebron should be on his teams backs getting the best out of them the way jordan did with bulls , the rest of the bulls were that good because jordan let them and encouraged them to be that good , lebron is incapable of doing that
Jordan made his teammates better MJ was pushing them to be better because he wanted to win, ever watched the last dance? I recommend you to watch it.
Edward W yes I have and lebron actually does the same thing but he has only had 1 other all nba player and he can still win championships and Mj when he was in the same situation as lebron with only 1 all nba player couldn’t win
@@blah7958 when did michael jordan lose a finals?.
Sure sure. Did you know how many allstars Lebron played with? Or you are just commenting without knowing facts?
LEFLOP not even in top 10. DIVA, Flopper, 2011, swept, swept again, hand injury excuse, etc. Self proclaimed. WHAT A GOAT!
The real reason really lies in the first minute of the video. Back then, things were different, or more specifically, much harder. Tougher defense, more aggressive and no easy baskets as of today. It’s more of a show today’s NBA where it’s more about generating spectacular content rather than the sport it was set out to be. Just go back to the 97/98-finals and watch the level of roughness the players had to deal with. I think true basketball fans truly miss ideas like hand-checking, because it allowed for great dynamics and balance between defense and offense. I cannot put Lebron higher since Jordan would totally obliterate all competition if he had played in today’s era.
The league was as oppressive on Defense as the current league is on offense. There are nights offense doesn't work out. Hard defense is alot more consistent and can only be much harder to win against. The league of today simply doesn't deal with that level of defense at all.
If lebron played back then he wouldn’t do near as well
Very true. Opposing teams defensive strategy against Jordan was to literally beat him up. And they did. James has never faced that.
If Jordan, Magic, and Bird played today, Lebron James would be thought of as just another player.
@@felixjenkins4521 man dominated the 2000s, is that era soft?
What about Kobe? Rip Kobe and Gigi and 7 others
Kobe is the 2nd greatest of all time lebron is just overrated
He was a micheal jordan clone
"This video is spon-"
*skips 40 seconds*
Lebron is the mayweather of NBA. Lebron said he is the goat, just like mayweather said he is the goat.
MJ is the Ali/Pacquiao of the NBA. They never said that they are greatest but the people accept them as the greatest.
Jordan just sent a ripple effect beyond the game itself
With his era he never needed these platforms and publicity that the players today has
And yet he is the reason NBA is so large around the world
Jordans game did his talking
I think atleast
For me that is why he will always be the goat
He's just beyond our little basketball game
don’t forget that Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kevin was the first modern era superteam
ah.....no. that team was put together with stars that were on their last legs hoping to make their last hora. while lebron team was put together. when they were right smack in their primes. that is the big difference. plus all the stars on the celtics did not meet up and say let join a team together to win chips. they were put together by trades. while lebron team was put together by lebron himself by going to miami to asked his best friend in dwade. who at the time as right smack in his prime and has already been to the finals and won a nba chip already. so you can not compare the two.
Yeah the Celtics is undoubtedly the first superteam with 3 allstars. People could argue that the heats is the first team with 3 'prime' superstars but that just doesn't matter anymore.
Don't forget Rondo
the first superteam was the 60's Celtics with 8 HOF's
Showtime Lakers, Bulls dynasty are superteam to and they are all better than Warriors and Warriors defeated the Cavs 3 times so only no brainer said LeBron played on superteam and no other players do.
You got that right ole leblames isnt half the player mj was
Isn’t not even an argument if you grew up watching Jordan and saw what he could do against defense lebron wouldn’t be able to do half of the shit Jordan can do it’s not a debate and it’s not even close
Leebron fans saying jordan had pippen, who was drafted as a rookie who was not good enough to make it as a starter while lebron always had 2 other superstars who didnt need to develop like pippen and still managed to lose as many finals as jordan won lol
Jordan is 1-10 all time in the playoffs without Pippen with multiple first round playoff knockouts. Yikes.
@@Phoenix-pm2qr confirmed lebron fanboy but everyone still thinks mj is the goat
@@Phoenix-pm2qr he was 1-10 before pippen dumbass..... you know why cause mj team was full of bums but he still didnt leave like bron didnt mj mentality is better than lebrons.... that win at all cost mentality.... not the win with at leadt a superteam and backstab team after team menrality
@@Brownieboy-bo5mg cavd was full of bums and they never lost a first round with LBJ what’s your point lol
@@simpled3308 you saw the comp he went up against in the first round compared to lebrons rookie comp
BRO LEBRONN IS THE GOAT BECAUSE HE CARRIED HIS TEAM WE TALKING ABOUT WHO CARRIED THEIR TEAM TO THE FINALS AND WHO WAS IMPORTANT TO THEIR TEAM. NO MATTER WHAT TEAM LEBRON GOES HE AINT GONNA GET HELP HES JUST GONNA DO HIS THING AND TAKE THEM TO THE FINALS HES EVEN CLUTCH THAN MICHEAL JORDAN Lebron is a legend GOATED
This is the funniest thing I have read.
Just love how you totally disrespect LeBron's team mates
I like that you listed the pros of both players. Most people will just be completely biased towards either MJ or Lebron. Good video
GaryClint he was very biased towards MJ he under minded Lebron 's block and made it out like the only reason the cavs won was because of Erving did not mention the comeback that Bron lead in game 6 or what he did In ot of that game just that he did not make the game wining 3 and he also did not mention how Bron did not have his 2 all stars in 2015 finals cause of injury and acted like he choked and acted like Bron is a choker I do think he royally choked in 2011 but after that look at 2012 game 6 of the east finals or the 2016 finals or that amazing run he had in 2018 where he hit 2 game winners or in game 1 of the 2018 finals when he scored 51 but lost cause someone drank to much and he also did not mention THE GREATEST thing Lebron has done which was living to the hype presented before him at a young age
I think MJ is the goat. But this seems a bit like a lebron hate video.
James is not faster than Jordan, Jordan ran a 4.3 40 yard dash and Jordan is way quicker than James
I think you’re following a lot of narratives. I mean, for instance if lebron played in mjs era he wouldn’t play the same way; he’s 250 lbs, he would knock Scottie on his ass cause he’d actually be able to use his force against his opponent. But older cats always tryna say players was basically stabbing each other on the court back in the old days. Greats translate and I’m not saying lebron is greater but I think people need to start looking at the bigger picture instead of repeating everything they hear on the last dance. 🤦🏽♂️
Fax. People out here acting like the players in this generation are trash
@Shaman King okay Miami Heat fan #1
Lebron messed up big time in 2011. He lost to an old dirk and he had dwade and Chris Bosh who were the players that helped the heat win 2 games. Lebron averaged only 18 points and got outplayed by a bench player. The fact that the Mavericks had no all starts but dirk needed only 6 games to win the Miami heat with prime Lebron, dwade and bosh just shows how much they choked. Dwade played well tho he did average over 26 points so i gotta give some credit for dwade but Lebron he’ll no that was disappointing man
"One of the reason why LeBron is the greatest of all time is because of the effects that he has on his team."
Like how he destroyed the young Lakers.
Lol yea that’s how that works. The lakers are trying to win now... they had a Lebron who’s declining but still top 3 in the league and paired him with the best big man in the game and put good supporting peace’s around him.
Lolz, didn't noticed my comment was ruined by ghost touch and google keyboard. Edited.
@@vie3147 Quick question what do u think the point of Lebron going to Lakers was did u honestly think he waa going to wait for Lonzo, etc to develop mind u that Lebron is 35
MJ is goat ever!!!
After the Celtics beat the Bulls in the playoffs, Larry Bird himself said Michael Jordan is like God disguised as Michael Jordan. MJ still gets recognition for his greatness even when he loses. I don’t ever hear people praising Lebron like that after he loses, lol.
I still rank Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Bill Russell, and possibly Kobe as being better than LeBron James. They all had win or die attitudes and would fight tooth and claw. LeBron whims out when the going gets tough and starts throwing his teammates under the bus.
this is the best argument ive seen by far.
Hold up my man, did you say Lebron is faster, a better rebounder, a better passer than MJ ????? Nope
MJ was recorded (officially) at 4.3 for the 40 yard dash, Lebron 4.6
Lebron has an amazing ability to get stats, but look at his rebound stats more closely. Offensive boards take more skill and work, Lebron hangs on D and gets a lot of lazy defensive boards. MJ averaged 26% ORB p/g (in a big man era) and Lebron just 16% (in an era when the court is more spread and rebounds are easier to get).
Assists. Look at their Assist to turnover ratios, they are identical. Lebron has amazing skills at passing the ball and his court vision and IQ are outstanding. But don't underrate MJ's ability to pass the ball. He played team systems and played his role perfectly. Lebron only plays a Bron system and his team mates do a lot of off the ball work to get a large % of his assists. When MJ was required to run point, he averaged a triple double with 32ppg for a stretch and finished the season with 32.5/8/8
Watch Johny Arnett's video.
a) He can go play along his son and score 10 points until he is 45 or something so, he will get 50000 points.
b) This doesn't mean a lot.
c) Jordan at his 35 was a bit better than Lebron James and won without an anthony davis doing as much as he did.
d) Jordan at his 39 years, had 7+ games before the meniscus injury that he scored and played at the level Lebron James is now pretty much...up to an extent. And he had an even better chase down block lol.
e) Well all the other points in this video are correct!
A just like to add that technology now relating to health is more advanced than 80's and 90's Era. Performance can be boosted or prolonged by whatever system they are using now. Compared to old days they have to overcome it all.
MJ IS THE GOAT PERIOD.🙏🏻👍
Michael Jordan could easily have been the scoring leader of all time, he scored 32, 292 point in only 1072 games compared to Kareem with 38,387 points in 1560 games. If Jordan would have played 1300 games he would have scored more than 40k points and if he would play 1500 games like Kareem he would have scored maybe 45k points in his career. Also Lebron has 31,966 in 1177 games, 105 more games and Jordan still has more points.
So with that being said Jordan is the best scorer of all time
Finally someone who gets it! Amen!
In the era when you can kill each other on the court..
Raymond Villalobos Wrong era. That was the Bill Russel era. Not the Jordan years
@@bobjeff6899 ... You must not have seen the Bad Boys or the Knicks. I'm quite sure Jordan got jack-slammed by Laimbeer.
kcire10 10 There we’re still Rules. You could pretty much kill someone in Bill Russell’s era.
He was not supposed to win against the warriors
Lebron is NOT faster than Jordan. MJ had NFL combine speed.
yaa even though being a LeBron fan mj is legend he will be always an G.O.A.T
Always ?
@@lilmarc33 maybe in future other player may become a G.O.A.T
Finally someone that has common sense
1:39 “Lebron May have the better all around game, but Jordan is a much better scorer and defender”
Umm offense and defense is what makes up all around skill. There isn’t a third category.
Asdfghjkl Lkjhgfdsa there‘s more parts to offense then just scoring
For me just 2 things to compare the 2..
1. Leadership
2. Reliability
Lebron is juiced and have been playing juiced for a long time.
MJ : the best ever.
if Jordan didn't retire as many times as he did this wouldn't be a discussion.
I watched MJ and LeBron MJ is the GOAT we can eaven have discussion that Larry Joe was above LeBron
The thing about Bulls getting that far without Jordan is...it wasn't a team coming off of one freaking title like Lebron's team...it was a team coming off 3. It was a dynasty. A championship caliber team that had been through hell and fortified every teammate. Even without Jordan that was a REAL basketball championship team.
Comparing Jordan and Lebron is like comparing Steph and Russ,
(Russ my fave player but I put Steph above on Russ)
You can't compared this two guys since they play in different era
Kobe is the second GOAT 🐐
Lydon Barwick fact Kobe is the second GOAT
Second goat would be Bill Russell you young pup. Go google that guy.
Well nobody is ever gonna surpass Wilt Chamberlain.. 7 footer with a 48 inch vert, 4.4 40 yard dash, and benching 600 pounds, yea Wilts my GOAT thats unbelievable
Also they both have pros and cons
Also its your opinion on the definition of the best player
No
Kobe is the only one that is even in the Question, Lebron is a cry baby.
LBJ barely top 10.
Mj, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Marovich ect... I'd take Durant over him
Look, Maravich (not "Marovich") is my favorite player ever by a landslide but he has nothing on LBJ, sadly. And what about Bird? He's a 3 time champion on a superteam, just like Lebron...the others you listed are legit though, but there can be a debate.
Durant over lechoke all day
You never mentioned that Jordan dominated a weak era diluted by expansion, and Bird and Isaiah Thomas retired too, two Eastern conf. stalwarts, and in the West, Magic retired too.
Jordan is the real goat! Period
Queen James had to either switch teams or surround himself with superstars to win...and you fools are comparing this clown to MJ???
MJ was surrounded by pippen and rodman and LBJ brought champioship to the Cavs, so i really think that LBJ isn't a clown. Both of them are great players and both of them deserve respect.
@@alvinyadav5178 You're right...but great players don't quit on their team to join or form a superteam to win. Bird, Magic, MJ, Duncan, Nowitzki never did. These guys won because they made their role players better. LeBron (& KD too) are on the same page...both quit & joined a superteam. Nowitzki's one ring alone is more valuable than LBJ & KD's five combined rings because of the manner it was won & the superteam it beat in 2011. So yeah, Queen James is a clown, & so is KDurant. And lastly, your Queen James isn't on the level of His Airness...not even close!!!
Tell me how many times did mj go to the finals before pippen joined bulls
@@sonofnam4418 and duncan didn't join a super team because he already was on a great team
@@janiilola6499 My friend, only a fool would believe that Queen James is on MJ's level.
If you really think about is lebron actually better than Kobe just think about that
Jordan will always be THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME.
NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT..
Lebron is just a PUPPET , for JORDAN.
i would try to convince you that youre wrong but youre clearly beyond saving
The easiest comparison is the negative aspects. What are LJ’s weaknesses versus MJ’s weaknesses. I’ll wait for you to list MJ’s. MJ has none and LJ has too many. Top of LJ list is, he’s soft.
How can you be better when you got L's on your Finals?
You’re forgetting that they weren’t allowed to double team Jordan
BizBoy Yes they very much so were.
Wtf they did double team Jordan
LBJ is like a stiff dancer, MJ's moves are fun to watch just like a ballet dancer with Beethoven's music on the background. His hang-time is awesome! besides 6 rings is better than 3.
I hate when they forget to mention how good the warriors was compared to Cleveland 😂😂😂 I swear it's annoying but good vid
The 2015-16 cavaliers were favorites to win the championship before the season and had just as good if not a better roster than the warriors
@@_ray8054 are u high the warriors clearly had a better bench and defense
So the Cavs had a better roster than the team who had the best rs record in nba history ?
And they say Lebron fans are biased
Starloow Ciraptor if it weren’t for the injuries the cavs would’ve had at least 65 wins
Yeah maybe i mean they were good sure but the warriors finished 73 9
Most importantly, if one must call themselves the GOAT...they are not the GOAT. MJ's answer to that question was classy. Lebron has no class.
you act like michael didn’t have role players hit clutch shots
That’s 10 scoring champs for Jordan, 5 defensive first teams for LeBron, and 2 free throws for harden
Lebron james is better than MICHAEL B. JORDAN....wakanda forevahhhhhhh
Anyone that got outplayed in a series by jj berrera and Jason Terry could or will never be the goat 🐐 to me case freaking closed
"You don't get to call yourself a GOAT. You let your peers call you that." - Scottie Pippen
And Jordan never called himself that because he respect those players who played before him.
And James does flops. MJ never did that. That's another reason why MJ is THE GOAT. NBA before is so physical compared to today's NBA. When you get fouled before it is because it's real. Now? Some players including James, pretends getting hurt even if its very obvious that they were not even hit
thats not lebrons fault that the rules have changed plus lebron has already surpassed mike and it doesnt matter has many rings MJ has he brought the cleveland cavaliers to a championship which is a way worse team than the bulls that mike lead
thunderflash O7 MJ >
I don’t even agree that lebron is better than Jordan, but you wrong my dude, Jordan had said he thinks he’s the greatest player ever
Ironically pippen himself later said bron has surpassed Jordan
@@S1raajthabest find someone who will believe to your foolishness
Kobe is the only one that can surpass my work ethic and mentality
-MJ
Kobe is the 2nd GOAT. Change my mind (MJ is the GOAT).
My top 3
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3.Lebron
1:MJ
2:Between Magic and Kobe
3:LeBron or Kareem
MJ never said that.
1mj 2 LeBron 3 Kobe
Honestly I think Kobe and lebron is a better matchup Jordan is just on a whole different level
Agreed
Agreed
Kobe is on another level than LeBron.
He's not even the best Laker of all-time 🤣🤣🤣
@@FalseOracle617 Stop it
After 2011 nba finals lebron would never be the goat
Thinojan Sriranjan well I’m not a LeBron fan and Jordan had to overcome the Pistons before he could win. He could have made up for it and he has but not up to the degree to be in contention with Jordan.
Tyler Weems Jordan wasn’t outscored by a roleplayer like Lebron was
You know KOBE was SWEPT by this same Mavs team, right? They also beat OKC with KD, Harden, and Westbrook. Don't sleep on the Mavs.
@@Phoenix-pm2qr dude that heat team was heavily favored to win that series
So what about 2016 and being down 3-1
Jordan is the GOAT....PERIOD.
Teue
Imagine thinking LeBron is the goat...
@@matthewpranata804 Imagine being a Jordan sexual.1-9 with 3 straight first round exits.
The boss man Seriously? Imagine being 3-9 on the biggest stage with 2 other all stars on your team. Imagine trying to say being 1-9 in the 1st round is comparable to losing on the biggest stage, and then trying to say Jordan fans are sexuals when they’re just using facts and common sense.
@@baldhead7759 Jordan had a superteam that won 55 games without him and 57 with him. Lebrons Cavs won 61 with him and 19 without him. Don't compare
People never mention the defense as much as they should, defense is half of the whole game. Imagine being absolutely feared on both ends of the court for almost a whole career. MJ would lock up whoever he was defending and easily put up 30 points. Even if his efficiency was lower than Lebron's, his defense would make up for it by creating turnovers for the opponents and more points for his team. The Bulls in the MJ era were known for being an unreal defense and that's how they got a lot of points, but also imagine MJ averaging 35+ ppg while also wreaking havoc on the defensive side as well.
His field goal percentage was less than a percent below Lebron. For a guy scoring 30 a game, that is negligible
Agreed, led the league in steals 3 times. 9 time all defensive team , ... that’s nuts on defense man.
Jordan only played 13 full seasons for The Bulls. He missed almost all of his second season through injury and still got ten scoring titles. That's basically ten out of twelve where he was top scorer and nine out of twelve where he was all defensive first team. and 2 threepeates with 6 finals MVP's. How can this guys goat status be doubted?
His only competition for the GOAT is Bill Russell and Lebron
Get ready for a hole bunch of dislike from LeBron fans 😂
What your point
@@jhyquaviousshavers9400 do I really need to tell you what my point is because I think it's obvious if you read my comment
damb right
I'm a Lebron fan but its Austin dude
Michael Jordan has never carried a team by himself and lebron did that last year just because lebron doesn't have as many rings as michael don't mean nun bill russell has 11 and tbh if that's what yall goin by bill is better than mike soooo
Jordsn ran to the gym when things got tough.
Lebron ran to another team.
Facts youngsters, it is what it is. Jordan the 🐐
David Gurganus different situations and circumstances his first stint in cle the gm gave him nothing to stop the big three boston celtics
we all would’ve left that team after 7-8 years of no help
As a Lebron fan, I completely agree with the fact that Jordan is the goat. Cause he is a better two-way player, better clutch player(Lebron is more clutch than people think). But Jordan is the most legitimate one who has almost no meltdowns, far more accolades and team sucess. But one reason I can't endure is to say Lebron formed a superteam. Cause if Lebron's team is a superteam, than Jordan's Bulls which gain more sucess is a super super super team. Plus, Jordan teams are usually the favorites in playoffs despite the first few years. But the only time Lebron's team has been the obvious favorite is in 2011 and 2013 and he chokes in 2011 which I am sill mad of and 2013. I mean if you compare (Jordan's team vs his opponent) vs (Lebron's team vs his opponent), Lebron is in the downside more.
That is so true lol
Hahaha.ur right.
@Donovan Torres mj threatened to leave several times stop this shit