dathvada321 in terms of complexity yeah, but the D was way more physical and it more than made up for it in my opinion. Even today a small amount of teams play zone consistently
It's games like this that make you really appreciate MJ. Scottie was out early, MJ was injured, he was being double/triple teamed, yet he was still scoring better than any of his teammates.
One of the thing people fail to talk about whenever comparing today's greats to MJ was just how quickly MJ made decisions with the ball in his hands. There was rarely ever wasted dribbles with MJ...he made up his mind quickly on when and where he would attack which didn't give defenses the time to be in good position to stop him. You see today's players like LeBron and Melo holding the ball for what seems like an eternity before attacking which gives the defense more than enough time to zone in on them. The game would be so much easier for those guys if they made the decision to attack quicker.
Jacob Ong Same with Olajuwon's mindset about the dream shake. At best it was 3 moves usually to evade and get closer to the basket. It was a combination of hesitations and steps which ended in his opponent not being able to read how he would attack at all.
to the OP: al michaels once said that mj had better than 20/20 vision. there was a youtube conversation he had with bill simmons on grantland's youtube channel where he said that mj was able to read the smallest text on a tv screen about 50 feet away when al michaels couldn't even see the large text on it. so if mj had that type of vision and the ability to make quick decisions, it's no wonder he was such a sound offensive player.
Back to the original comment, Bernard King was the master of that. He would post up high, take no more then two dribbles, and score. Every. Damn. Time.
+BBALLBREAKDOWN you should do a video on the 2004 and 2005 Pistons defense under Larry Brown, the 2004 team being the best defense of all-time. Larry Brown was adamant about avoiding zones and staying within a man to man defense, but the unique thing was that they often played Kobe, Wade, Shaq, and Duncan 1 on 1 in the 2004 - 2005 Playoffs/Finals I have a video that highlights Larry Brown's man to man scheme a little bit but you probably have access to more footage to make a more detailed breakdown Footage - "Larry Brown Pistons Man-to-Man Isolation Defense Compilation (2004 - 2005 Playoffs)"
+Nobody Touches MJ nowhere near that 87 ,88 pistons defense!! For 1 it was no hand checking allowed. Neither were there hard fouls allowed like back then But i did like they team tho
@@orlandolewis1629 Hand-checking was only allowed in the post area from 1994-2004, according to the rulebook. Before that, it was allowed in the fullcourt. However, the league had been trying to get rid of it as far back as 1978, to very little success. The players in the 70's and past eras before that use to call it hip-checking.
2004 pistons defense essentially funneled everything towards big ben; they had great perimeter defenders in billups and tayshaun, and were very deep off the bench. however, the key was ben Wallace was at the height of his prime at this point, and put up ridiculous steal+block+rebound numbers in the playoffs. even more amazing considering ben Wallace is not a true 6-9 height; he's probably closer to 6'6, and yet playing as a defensive center. as for the 2008 Celtics, that was when tom thibodeau started to take the league by storm with his strong side overload defense, and hadn't introduced "ice" to the league yet. most of his defense involved having kg (the best pick-and-roll defender in the league) hedge high and recover on every pick while the ballhandling defender went under the screen. and on isos and pick-and-roll d, they would have the weakside defenders all zone up in the key and play closer to shrink the floor.
the pistons had one of the toughest and well played defense of the early 2000's era. also being able to dominate the leage for 4 years without having a true all star. each time they went to the playoffs they put theyre defense on a different level
+theravenousbeast Here is some insight on the 2004-05 Pistons defense and how the departure of Larry Brown led to them falling off The 2004 Pistons used 90% man to man defense youtube - "Tayshaun Prince locks down Kobe Bryant - 2004 NBA Finals Game 1" "I think it's important we're a great man-to-man team, and rebounding team, because I think if you do those things, you can do anything defensively," Brown said. "I don't like zones because I think it's a sign of weakness for us, for us, and I worry about rebounding out of zones. - Philadelphia Inquirer, 2001 One example is reflected in his philosophy regarding the Hack-a-Shaq strategy. The Detroit Pistons' 63-year-old coach refuses to embrace it, if only because of his anxiety-induced imagination for the worst. "It's like my assistants (who) keep telling me to play zone," Brown said. "Every time we talk about zone, I think every team we play against is going to make every jump shot." - USA Today, 2004 Under Larry Brown's man to man principles they forced Kobe into his worst Finals performance, Duncan's worst-shooting Finals performance, and Wade under 50% in the 2005 ECF including pre-injury after Flip Saunders took over Larry Brown's Pistons and implemented much more zone principles, they never went back to the Finals and allowed Wade to shoot over 60% on them in 2006. Larry Brown no longer is on the sideline. The coach who drove the Pistons to the 2004 title and within one game of a 2005 repeat is working for the New York Knicks. In his place arrives Flip Saunders, a coach who favors the type of zone defense Brown had disdained, a coach who accepts freelance play from his point guards, a coach whose offensive playbook makes Brown's come off as a pamphlet. - Sun-Sentinal, 2005 Wallace knows that Pistons head coach Flip Saunders plans to have the team play more zone defense this year. That doesn't mean Wallace has to like it. "I'm not knocking his coaching zone or nothing like that," Wallace said. "I don't want y'all to get it misconstrued, but in the system that I grew up in ... I don't like zone. Zones are terrible. It's just trying to hide the weakest defenders." - A. Sherrod Blakely, Mlive 2006 so the best defensive team actually used man to man 90% of the time and the Piston players along with Larry Brown despised using zone defense
Can you compare this years Spurs team to some of the great passing teams of the past? Namely the 1977 Blazers and 1986 Boston Celtics? I would really appreciate that.
Very nice video Coach. Very informative , question : if the 89 Pistons play like the the Pistons today with today rules , can they contain Jordan ? I'm from Malaysia , Basketball is not big here but I like to watch and play basketball
I am. Mostly because I am upset about how the Pistons are supposedly evil. The Pistons never cried when the Celtics walked off and didn't shake hands years prior
ppl only want to hear what they want to hear. i remember coach nick posting a video earlier interviewing hubie brown where he said to not compare lebron to other great players who have played. guess what ppl did in the comments? and guess how coach nick worded the title of that video to encourage those comparisons?
BBALLBREAKDOWN does being a conversation mean you pick and choose the facts to support your own beliefs? you can't praise hubie for knowing how handchecks make offenses harder to score, and then ignore his belief in the same video that we shouldn't compare lebron to the former greats.
The Detroit Pistons defended incredibly well. Chuck Daily understand perfectly the Illegal Defense Rule and mastered his smallest details. Rick Carlisle is the only modern coach comparable of such meticulousness (three seconds rule in his legendary 2011 run). You clearly see how NBA rules were officiated back then : from doubling or helping on defense. The NBA didn't allowed his organizations zoning freely like they were doing in the NCAA back then. Great analysis!
People said Michael started winning championships when Phil started coaching. Phil was there all along. He was an assistant coach. It's not like he wasn't there to begin with.
Michael started winning when he got multiple players who could score open shots (like when pippen got better at shooting) and when he had rodman and grant to stop the other offensive threats in the paint.
Yeah, but his not a player, Phil trust MJ's decisions and intuition much of the time, but though phil is a good coach Jordan pretty much runs the bulls offense and defense, but when it comes down to a stretch that's were phil comes in to organized the team!
Its funny to imagine that I. Thomas said few days ago that he dominated MJ and they focus on Magic, Bird and Hakeem not MJ. But they had Jordan Rules lol
Jordan rules were basically Dumars guarding Jordan and funneling him into Laimbeer, Rodman or whatever big guy was there to force Jordan to pass out or take difficult shots and the other part of the rules was sending Dumars somewhere else and putting 6'8 Dennis Rodman on him and when Jordan would get accustomed to Rodman they'd go back to the 1st part of the rules. The other set of rules were to get the ball to whoever Michael was guarding to make him exert himself on both ends of the floor.
Hey Coach Nick, I was impressed by the statement, that michael had ten straight tripple doubles that season. I looked it up. He didnt. He had an impressive streak of 10 tripple doubles in 11 games. (he went 40-7-11 in the 8th game) Still an impressive acomplishment!
Crap - did I miss a game in there? I couldn't remember... I saw the list of games, but didn't cross reference to see if there was a game anywhere in between :(
Thanks for the awesome videos over the years Coach Nick. Team Defense + Team Offense > Individual superstars. Even though Jordan is the best player of all time, it wasn't until he gave into the 'system' of team basketball and trust of his teammates that took the Bulls to great heights. 'Athleticism" is the most over-rated term used to say our current game is 'better' than previous generations. Look at 40 year old Jordan, 38 year old Duncan, and 37 year old Ginobili to put that argument to mute. Smart TEAM basketball wins in any generation.
athleticism is indeed somewhat overrated, especially in context of overall team construction. I mean gee the Cavs are pretty athletic for the young squad they have, but they can't seem to put it together. The Thunder have two of the most athletic scorers in Durant and Westbrook but they get stuck in a rut when that doesn't score points for them. Its an important piece to the puzzle, but it doesn't make the puzzle come together.
beautiful.. encapsulates the best of Jordan.. the best of Detroit.. and makes it much more than the narrative which is that Detroit was just brutal hacks. Dumars moves his feet beautifully on that last defensive highlight.. just perfect.
I hate it wehen people use hand chekcin as an argument against LeBron. GUESS WHAT, Jordan and his teammates got to hand check the other team BACK!!! And you know those rules that "benefit" LeBron?? Guess what?? They benefit his opponenets too!!!
The bad boys played the game the way it originated and His Airness dominated. Talk about overcoming obstacles. He is the GOHR (greatest of his era). There was no answer. Jordan proved he was more than unstoppable. Hence becoming the beginning of his dominance.
As Coach Nick pointed out at the end, it was ultimately the Bulls' mastery of the triangle offense that got them over their Pistons roadblock. It did take them two years under Phil Jackson, but once they figured out how to best execute the triangle, the Jordan Rules became completely ineffective.
Good analysis. I saw this game and agree with most of your points. One thing I would add, though, is that the Bulls missed Pippen's defense AND play making. Had he been on the court, Jordan wouldn't have tried to do everything and wear himself out. Also left unsaid was that Jordan tired and Isiah Thomas destroyed him with 18 4th quarter points, mostly on isos and even a few post up moves, even though Thomas gave up 5 inches and at least 20 inches on verticals. This was the old Jordan that tried to run through everything and the Pistons were designed to stop that. Once Phil Jackson became coach, he moved Jordan off the ball like Larry Brown did with Allen Iverson, a Jordan clone, and the rest is history.
Bill Laimbeer could have very easily been called for an illegal defense in some of these clips. At times he looked like he was just roaming not even guarding anybody.
his reaction to losing this series shows what makes him the goat.. he was genuinely disappointed in HIMSELF and didn't put blame on anyone but himself.. you'd be hard pressed to see anyone react the same way except for maybe curry
The Jordan rules never stop Jordan completely. He still scored over 30 points. The rules merely body slammed him and tired him down eventually. It was pretty much one player (Jordan) against five Piston players. Pippen was still called migrained Pippen at that time and Horace Grant wasn't around.
BBALLBREAKDOWN It's not a travel to pick up your pivot foot. It's only a travel if you pick up your pivot foot and put it back down before dribbling the ball, which did not occur in this play. Thus, this play was not a travel.
Coach, I know your time is not limitless, but if you were ever able to videos specific to the impact of rule changes, it would really help inform conversations positively between fans of different eras (I'm talking hand-check, zone, 3-pt etc.). Thank you for this wonderful channel, its really made me a more knowledgable fan.
“The next year, Phil Jackson took over...and the rest is history” That’s true. The next year, they lost again to Detroit. With Phil. And Scottie. That is history. Three out of four playoff series went to the Pistons.
Michael Jordan played alongside a mop , squeegee and a sponge for most of his career ( ie. scrubs) up until about 1992 when Pippen and Grant started to come into their own as good role players. It was basically one on five whenever he played the Celtics and Pistons. He played them well, but obviously would not be able to overcome those superteams, but he never tried to create a superteam either to try to beat them, he just went out there and played hard and let the chips fall where they may... this is highly respectable compared to the guy who started the whole modern superteam craze, Lebron James going to Miami.
Coach, are you a mind reader? I just saw a bunch of videos about the "Jordan Rules", and a day after that you post a video about it!! lol Nice video, regards from Brazil!!
BBALLBREAKDOWN Well loose double teams were illegal, but I thought the Jordan Rules were essentially to keep him out of the paint, somewhat akin to a zone.
I remember watching a Jordan video like 5 years ago, and a teenager back then was surprised that double teams were allowed in the 90s. I believe it's because of some Kobe propaganda video that's very popular, I think the TH-camr name is similar to kalpha. Something like that.
Great breakdown! You should do more of these old school MJ breakdowns. For example the 1992 series vs the Knicks where it got very physical. A lot of the younger fans don't realise/know how much softer the NBA is today with all the rules changes and that the narrative of players being bigger, faster and stronger is BS. Players like MJ, Drexler and others would be droppin' 40 every game with ease today, maybe even more. There is no more handchecking, there is a 3 second rule and the overall game was way more physical and tougher unlike these days with all the bitch-made flopping and ref-baiting.
***** well, first of all, if you think wade and kobe are 10 times better "skill-wise" (and BTW "skills" are not something you can compare 2 players with, because it's a very subjective type of opinion), then clearly you haven't seen enough of Drexler and you should watch some more of his footage, coz he was a very good scorer and could score multiple ways. Drexler was also a way better defender than both wade and especially Kobe. So watch some Drexler footage before making bold statements like that while using "skills" as your main comparing category.
***** *facepalm * what??? You mean to tell me he's not a better defender than kobe? GTFO!! Kobe's the most overrated defender of all time. These Y2K fanboys.....
Javornie Brathwaite you are beyond stupid. Drex couldn’t shoot left and could barely finish left. Kobe was def a better defender and had more ways to score and was deadly wherever. This is why TH-cam comments are so funny because idiots like you do these stupid takes.
Great video! For youngster like me who didn't have a chance to witness MJ's glory this was superb. Would like to see more of the older footage analysis. It's postseason anyway :)
***** So you are trying to discredit his efforts on defense because he can get away with hand-checks and arm bars like everyone else? Here's a thought: Jordan at one point his career also averaged a little over a block per game because he was doing weakside help when some guys try attack the paint and could time it enough to get swipes on his own. He knew his fundamentals on defense as well and was usually guarding the ball handler of the opposing team while Pippen guarded the scorer. For some players, playing elite defense was a real skill. Stockton got away with his style of play but enough so he doesn't get calls on him.
i would like to see what happens in today's game if refs still called handchecking, had the 3 in the key rule, and allowed zones, BUT big men were given more leeway in defending against players driving into the paint. to me, the whole "today's nba is soft" thing isn't just because of the lack of handchecking, but the leeway that offensive players have once they get into the paint.
ReCharredSigh exactly. Since Iverson had his run in his prime, there have been many perimeter players who easily get easy calls to the line. Harden and Kevin Martin aren't even the fastest guys but they know how to attack weak defenses and make constant trips to the charity stripe. In stark contrast where they can't easily do this against stronger defenses.
Grade2efficient you can definitely see the difference when those two guys you mentioned get into the playoffs; they get into the paint, but because defensive-minded teams aren't biting on their rip through moves and sending them to the line, their shot percentage drops like a rock.
ReCharredSigh so true for what you both said. it is an inflation on the offense in my opinion. and yet the top scorers nowadays arent even on par with the 80s and 90s, pt wise and % wise. sad
Great video as always. Now, can you please do one breakdown video about how the approach to the game changed against the Pistons before and after the arrival of the Triangle offense? That would be awesome. Thanks coach Nick.
Imo Jordan does best with double teams when he doesn't pass out of them. He's very good at spinning away from them etc. passing to Rod sellers is a dub
If Bulls management had surrounded him with at least a couple semi-decent players from the time he came into the league, Michael Jordan would have likely won about 15 straight championships, thereby surpassing Bill Russells Celtics, and in an era where there were about three times the number of teams competing as in Russells day.
coach could you try do a video on players that never made the nba and what their impact might of been in your opinion people like len bias, benji wilson or peewee kirkland?
He would have an even tougher time now with illegal defense and zones. It’s much more sophisticated. I see a couple plays where he held the ball too long before the help came and his defender gave him space to shoot, but didn’t.
I’m 5 years late, but nah. Teams barely even run zones now. Jordan faced better zone principals than the one seen here in this video. The Knicks did a better job with him, so did the Sonics.
If OKC would have fired Brooks in 2012, like the Bulls did with Collins, now they would have at least 1 championship. Bulls situation proves that all those experts who love to say "Oh, Brooks brought the team to the conference finals this year, he's a great coach" are bunch of idiots and they deserved to be laughed at (including KD. When that prick will have 0 championships and the end of his career, I will be the one laughing, because I hate his demeanor) Whoever was in charge of Bulls at that time, had the balls to take a risk and got rewarded.
BBALLBREAKDOWN I know your planning on doing a lot of vintage stuff over the summer Coach Knick and I was wondering if you would do a breakdown on the Suns 7 seconds or less offense? I know its hardly old enough to be called vintage but I'm really curious about that style of offense, from what I can gather it seems like a combination between the Spur's passing and the Heat's fastbreak, which just sounds incredible. Is that a fair assessment?
Explain the Jordan Rules . It is basically this: if he's at the top or point position force him to his left; don't let him drive baseline; if he posts up, double team him from the top; if he gets into the paint, drop him to the floor. It is that simple, and you fail to explain it because you make excuses and praises of Jordan, and then you get into aome technical hoopla.
i like that you pick out classic games for further analysis. but at 1:57, when you talked about how good jordan was without explaining about the reason, seems a bit lacking as a coach. i think it would be helpful to give subscribers and viewers, especially the young ones some insight about how jordan's instant reaction upon receiving the ball and his almost prophetic read on defense helps him to get by double/triple team. i believe it was some sort of fundamental skill back then, when player has to take advantage of having that off the ball dribble as well as the possibility to go either way depending on the defense and the screen being set up. it was never about a one on one dribble exhibition-unlike those you see everywhere today, in which they wasted a lot of golden opportunities to break down the d before it is even formed.
Great analysis and a lot of old memories! Apart from the basketball defensive strategies explained, wasn't the "Jordan Rules" also about the not-so-pretty shoving, pinching, hitting, trash-talking and other antics that went on to wear MJ out and get under his skin? MJ didn’t (perhaps that should be don’t?) really hate Isiah because he was a good defender…
the 89-90 pistons teams were unbeatable come playoff time they blew everyone out.....sometimes this is less about comparing teams of different eras styles players and more about heart!....and not forgetting the certain years...no one says you couldnt beat the 91 pistons or the 87 pistons...but in 89-90 the team was young stacked motivated and too good for anyone that season...if you played the 96 bulls vs the 89 pistons who know who wins...but in 89-90 the pistons werent gonna be denied for those 2 titles...dumars and rodman were too good on defense...thats why i hate comparisons...its a team sport and rules change ...age happens...if you want to compare its impossible to be right...who knows how good wilt and russel would be in todays era?
Because this series could have been a lot more one-sided if not for Jordan. The Pistons had the best record in the league that year. They dominated the others teams they played in the playoffs that year more than the Bulls. Chicago was the only team to win a game against Detroit in the '89 playoffs: they swept the Celtics 3-0 in the first round; swept the Bucks 4-0 in the Semifinals; followed by a 4-2 win against the Bulls in the ECF; before sweeping the Lakers 4-0 in the Finals to win the Championship. As the heavy underdogs to a team that won 16 more regular season games than they did, the Bulls don't win a game in that series, let alone 2, if not for MJ. That's particularly true of the Bulls win in game 3. Chicago was down by 14 points with 8 minutes left, but with Jordan leading the rally, the Bulls were able to battle back and win the game 99-97 on a clutch game winner by Jordan over Thomas and Rodman. MJ finished the game with 46 points. Moreover, the Bulls could have potentially won the 6th game in Chicago and forced a game 7 if Pippen had not been elbowed by Laimbeer in the first minute, which sent him to the hospital. Without their all-star forward, Jordan again carried the Bulls on his back with his 32 points and 13 assists leading the way, and brought them within 2 points in the fourth quarter before the Pistons pulled away and finished them off.
But in 89, Jordan kept them in it I agree. But he also got killed and the pistons exposed him because he wasn't strong enough. Overall this wasn't a good series for him..
Nico Petrelli Wow, you respond quickly. I agree, by MJ's standards this wasn't a good playoff series, but he still deserves some praise for his effort. The Pistons did a great job containing him overall, which was obviously Daly's strategy, but Jordan wouldn't let the Bulls go down without a fight. It would have been a pretty big upset though if the Bulls had actually won this series.
So at 2:10 you exclude craig hodges horace grant and cartwright (the rest of the starting 5) and instead say jordans left with sellers and corzine as his next best scoring options when "scotties not out there"glaring omission; I question your judgement
Why is the Pistons defense in 04 against Kobe never mentioned. The Kobe rules were much more effective than the Jordan rules. Still the Jordan rules is still so famous I think even a book was written about it, even though Jordan still was still putting up great numbers against them after they applied the Jordan rules while Kobe got completely shut down by the Kobe rules. Michael Jordan numbers against the Pistons defense in 1989 36.7-6.8-7.2 but many people say the Jordan Rules was applied after he dropped 47 and 42 on them in game 3-4 so If you look at numbers in the three games he still averaged 27.3ppg-7.3rpg-6.3apg on 47% against them so thats not shutting him down at all. Altho it was still a great defense that played a brilliant strategy that actually did slow him down as his turnovers also skyrocketed after the Jordan rules were being applied. However with that being said Kobes numbers against the Kobe Rules is 22.6ppg-2.8rpg-4.4apg and 3.6 turnovers a game on 38% shooting
Young Rain because if kobe was defended by jordan rule, kobe CANNOT score and lead the team to victory; whereas if jordan was defended by "kobe rule", from what you call, jordan can still score and win the game. that's why jordan rule are so famous. remember in 1980s, the basketball rule was equalized on both offensive and defensive player, but now, the basketball rule is more favorable to the offensive player. in other words, the defense in 1980s are much intense than 2000s and much dirtier then ever.
Antony_Pak and also, the reason why piston won the series in 2004 was because karl malone did not play in the final. if malone played, that would be another whole story. remember, lakers has 4 hall of frame players on the roster, while in 1989, pippen still not an superstar player behind michael. so look at roster, laker was way better than bull
Antony_Pak I would say It might have been closer but I don't think that the pistons would have won. Also I'm not saying It was better I am just saying that it was ten times more effective than the Jordan rules.
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Jordan rules is basically street ball rules. Dude is lighting you up, stop him at all cost.
dathvada321 they still played zone type defenses though
***** Maybe you missed the part where I said they were running the 1-3-1 a lot during the series against Jordan.
***** Yeah dude they would often play zone but camouflage. Look it up
But camouflage it*
dathvada321 in terms of complexity yeah, but the D was way more physical and it more than made up for it in my opinion. Even today a small amount of teams play zone consistently
It's games like this that make you really appreciate MJ. Scottie was out early, MJ was injured, he was being double/triple teamed, yet he was still scoring better than any of his teammates.
One of the thing people fail to talk about whenever comparing today's greats to MJ was just how quickly MJ made decisions with the ball in his hands. There was rarely ever wasted dribbles with MJ...he made up his mind quickly on when and where he would attack which didn't give defenses the time to be in good position to stop him. You see today's players like LeBron and Melo holding the ball for what seems like an eternity before attacking which gives the defense more than enough time to zone in on them. The game would be so much easier for those guys if they made the decision to attack quicker.
That's how the Spurs dismantled the Heat's def this finals. No hesitation.
Jacob Ong Same with Olajuwon's mindset about the dream shake. At best it was 3 moves usually to evade and get closer to the basket. It was a combination of hesitations and steps which ended in his opponent not being able to read how he would attack at all.
to the OP: al michaels once said that mj had better than 20/20 vision. there was a youtube conversation he had with bill simmons on grantland's youtube channel where he said that mj was able to read the smallest text on a tv screen about 50 feet away when al michaels couldn't even see the large text on it. so if mj had that type of vision and the ability to make quick decisions, it's no wonder he was such a sound offensive player.
Back to the original comment, Bernard King was the master of that. He would post up high, take no more then two dribbles, and score. Every. Damn. Time.
Jacob Ong Yup. They were often getting 6 passes out in a single posession. Hard to do in the shot clock era of the NBA without acting fast.
bill cartwright jumpshot at 1:40 gave me cancer.
+kenneth tong lol, I know, right?
bill was basically a taller joakim noah lol
+BBALLBREAKDOWN
you should do a video on the 2004 and 2005 Pistons defense under Larry Brown, the 2004 team being the best defense of all-time.
Larry Brown was adamant about avoiding zones and staying within a man to man defense, but the unique thing was that they often played Kobe, Wade, Shaq, and Duncan 1 on 1 in the 2004 - 2005 Playoffs/Finals
I have a video that highlights Larry Brown's man to man scheme a little bit but you probably have access to more footage to make a more detailed breakdown
Footage -
"Larry Brown Pistons Man-to-Man Isolation Defense Compilation (2004 - 2005 Playoffs)"
+Nobody Touches MJ nowhere near that 87 ,88 pistons defense!! For 1 it was no hand checking allowed. Neither were there hard fouls allowed like back then
But i did like they team tho
@@orlandolewis1629 Hand-checking was only allowed in the post area from 1994-2004, according to the rulebook. Before that, it was allowed in the fullcourt. However, the league had been trying to get rid of it as far back as 1978, to very little success. The players in the 70's and past eras before that use to call it hip-checking.
Just imagine if Jordan had the spacing and freedom of movement in today's game
Luis Suarez imagine if the players today don’t.
They would just zone and end up sending him to the line. He would also still get doubled.
Imagine if theres no big man that can hit in perimeter in today's game
He'd average 40.
YoungRay cannot touch him ray tay
Any other player in the history of nba or basketball got this special treatment? Dude is the goat.
Unleashes his "tornado" of a shot. Best description so far of Cartwright's shooting 😅
I'd love to see an analysis on the Pistons' defense in the '04 Finals.
2004 pistons defense essentially funneled everything towards big ben; they had great perimeter defenders in billups and tayshaun, and were very deep off the bench. however, the key was ben Wallace was at the height of his prime at this point, and put up ridiculous steal+block+rebound numbers in the playoffs. even more amazing considering ben Wallace is not a true 6-9 height; he's probably closer to 6'6, and yet playing as a defensive center.
as for the 2008 Celtics, that was when tom thibodeau started to take the league by storm with his strong side overload defense, and hadn't introduced "ice" to the league yet. most of his defense involved having kg (the best pick-and-roll defender in the league) hedge high and recover on every pick while the ballhandling defender went under the screen. and on isos and pick-and-roll d, they would have the weakside defenders all zone up in the key and play closer to shrink the floor.
dude pistons 04 love that team
ReCharredSigh stop talking aout ur ass ben was 6"9 1/2 with shoes
the pistons had one of the toughest and well played defense of the early 2000's era. also being able to dominate the leage for 4 years without having a true all star. each time they went to the playoffs they put theyre defense on a different level
+theravenousbeast
Here is some insight on the 2004-05 Pistons defense and how the departure of Larry Brown led to them falling off
The 2004 Pistons used 90% man to man defense
youtube - "Tayshaun Prince locks down Kobe Bryant - 2004 NBA Finals Game 1"
"I think it's important we're a great man-to-man team, and rebounding team, because I think if you do those things, you can do anything defensively," Brown said. "I don't like zones because I think it's a sign of weakness for us, for us, and I worry about rebounding out of zones.
- Philadelphia Inquirer, 2001
One example is reflected in his philosophy regarding the Hack-a-Shaq strategy. The Detroit Pistons' 63-year-old coach refuses to embrace it, if only because of his anxiety-induced imagination for the worst. "It's like my assistants (who) keep telling me to play zone," Brown said. "Every time we talk about zone, I think every team we play against is going to make every jump shot."
- USA Today, 2004
Under Larry Brown's man to man principles they forced Kobe into his worst Finals performance, Duncan's worst-shooting Finals performance, and Wade under 50% in the 2005 ECF including pre-injury
after Flip Saunders took over Larry Brown's Pistons and implemented much more zone principles, they never went back to the Finals and allowed Wade to shoot over 60% on them in 2006.
Larry Brown no longer is on the sideline. The coach who drove the Pistons to the 2004 title and within one game of a 2005 repeat is working for the New York Knicks. In his place arrives Flip Saunders, a coach who favors the type of zone defense Brown had disdained, a coach who accepts freelance play from his point guards, a coach whose offensive playbook makes Brown's come off as a pamphlet.
- Sun-Sentinal, 2005
Wallace knows that Pistons head coach Flip Saunders plans to have the team play more zone defense this year. That doesn't mean Wallace has to like it.
"I'm not knocking his coaching zone or nothing like that," Wallace said. "I don't want y'all to get it misconstrued, but in the system that I grew up in ... I don't like zone. Zones are terrible. It's just trying to hide the weakest defenders."
- A. Sherrod Blakely, Mlive 2006
so the best defensive team actually used man to man 90% of the time and the Piston players along with Larry Brown despised using zone defense
these young kids dont know about the jordan rule
Nigga you look 10
Son Goku looks can be deceiving
Joshua Amie lmaoooo
Joshua Amie Um, doh they weren't born back then.
Lmaooo
Can you compare this years Spurs team to some of the great passing teams of the past? Namely the 1977 Blazers and 1986 Boston Celtics? I would really appreciate that.
Coach you are by far my favorite basketball youtuber
Well, thanks!!! #ImIn
Very nice video Coach. Very informative ,
question : if the 89 Pistons play like the the Pistons today with today rules , can they contain Jordan ?
I'm from Malaysia , Basketball is not big here but I like to watch and play basketball
Jordan would score 40 a game with today's rules, no matter who tried to defend him...
BBALLBREAKDOWN Thanks for the reply Coach , Love your channel ! . Your breakdown of plays really helped me understand basketball a lot more .
Who’s here after seeing “The Last Dance”
wacus001 me
I am. Mostly because I am upset about how the Pistons are supposedly evil. The Pistons never cried when the Celtics walked off and didn't shake hands years prior
Why does people commenting about LeBron, the video is about MJ!
ppl only want to hear what they want to hear. i remember coach nick posting a video earlier interviewing hubie brown where he said to not compare lebron to other great players who have played. guess what ppl did in the comments? and guess how coach nick worded the title of that video to encourage those comparisons?
ReCharredSigh Hey, we're not a channel, we're a conversation!
BBALLBREAKDOWN does being a conversation mean you pick and choose the facts to support your own beliefs? you can't praise hubie for knowing how handchecks make offenses harder to score, and then ignore his belief in the same video that we shouldn't compare lebron to the former greats.
Graham Becker nah, that's a lie
The Detroit Pistons defended incredibly well. Chuck Daily understand perfectly the Illegal Defense Rule and mastered his smallest details. Rick Carlisle is the only modern coach comparable of such meticulousness (three seconds rule in his legendary 2011 run).
You clearly see how NBA rules were officiated back then : from doubling or helping on defense. The NBA didn't allowed his organizations zoning freely like they were doing in the NCAA back then.
Great analysis!
People said Michael started winning championships when Phil started coaching. Phil was there all along. He was an assistant coach. It's not like he wasn't there to begin with.
Yeah, but he had very little influence
When people say that they mean when he became head coach and initiated the triangle.
Gmoney Mozart At least when the Bulls had a working offensive philosophy that would help exploit Jordan's other weapons he would develop for offense.
Michael started winning when he got multiple players who could score open shots (like when pippen got better at shooting) and when he had rodman and grant to stop the other offensive threats in the paint.
Yeah, but his not a player, Phil trust MJ's decisions and intuition much of the time, but though phil is a good coach Jordan pretty much runs the bulls offense and defense, but when it comes down to a stretch that's were phil comes in to organized the team!
Its funny to imagine that I. Thomas said few days ago that he dominated MJ and they focus on Magic, Bird and Hakeem not MJ. But they had Jordan Rules lol
Jordan rules were basically Dumars guarding Jordan and funneling him into Laimbeer, Rodman or whatever big guy was there to force Jordan to pass out or take difficult shots and the other part of the rules was sending Dumars somewhere else and putting 6'8 Dennis Rodman on him and when Jordan would get accustomed to Rodman they'd go back to the 1st part of the rules. The other set of rules were to get the ball to whoever Michael was guarding to make him exert himself on both ends of the floor.
Hey Coach Nick, I was impressed by the statement, that michael had ten straight tripple doubles that season. I looked it up. He didnt. He had an impressive streak of 10 tripple doubles in 11 games. (he went 40-7-11 in the 8th game)
Still an impressive acomplishment!
Crap - did I miss a game in there? I couldn't remember... I saw the list of games, but didn't cross reference to see if there was a game anywhere in between :(
“My motivation, is this ghost I'm chasing. The ghost played in Chicago”. 🐐>👑
Thank you, coach. Looking forwards to seeing your videos this summer.
Thanks for the awesome videos over the years Coach Nick.
Team Defense + Team Offense > Individual superstars. Even though Jordan is the best player of all time, it wasn't until he gave into the 'system' of team basketball and trust of his teammates that took the Bulls to great heights.
'Athleticism" is the most over-rated term used to say our current game is 'better' than previous generations. Look at 40 year old Jordan, 38 year old Duncan, and 37 year old Ginobili to put that argument to mute. Smart TEAM basketball wins in any generation.
athleticism is indeed somewhat overrated, especially in context of overall team construction. I mean gee the Cavs are pretty athletic for the young squad they have, but they can't seem to put it together. The Thunder have two of the most athletic scorers in Durant and Westbrook but they get stuck in a rut when that doesn't score points for them.
Its an important piece to the puzzle, but it doesn't make the puzzle come together.
Grade2efficient GREAT point!!
beautiful.. encapsulates the best of Jordan.. the best of Detroit.. and makes it much more than the narrative which is that Detroit was just brutal hacks. Dumars moves his feet beautifully on that last defensive highlight.. just perfect.
Great work Coach nick
I love these new kind of videos but this is one of my favourites so far
Good thinking with these videos
The white socks with black shoes really shows how good his footwork is. So quick!!
I hate it wehen people use hand chekcin as an argument against LeBron. GUESS WHAT, Jordan and his teammates got to hand check the other team BACK!!! And you know those rules that "benefit" LeBron?? Guess what?? They benefit his opponenets too!!!
Jason Jasonson faxx
This is such a great era and
Rivalry and the Jordan rules are so famous you should do more like this.
The bad boys played the game the way it originated and His Airness dominated. Talk about overcoming obstacles. He is the GOHR (greatest of his era). There was no answer. Jordan proved he was more than unstoppable. Hence becoming the beginning of his dominance.
Greatest of all time. Get it right
As Coach Nick pointed out at the end, it was ultimately the Bulls' mastery of the triangle offense that got them over their Pistons roadblock. It did take them two years under Phil Jackson, but once they figured out how to best execute the triangle, the Jordan Rules became completely ineffective.
and lack of personnel. if the pistons never lost mahorn, it takes jordan at least another year to break the pistons wall
No, Mahorn would have maybe gotten them a game but the bulls embarrassed the pistons. Swept them, Pistons got nothing.
ZhangtheGreat Keep in mind the Pistons had played until late May from '87 until '91 which also could have been a factor
Good analysis. I saw this game and agree with most of your points. One thing I would add, though, is that the Bulls missed Pippen's defense AND play making. Had he been on the court, Jordan wouldn't have tried to do everything and wear himself out. Also left unsaid was that Jordan tired and Isiah Thomas destroyed him with 18 4th quarter points, mostly on isos and even a few post up moves, even though Thomas gave up 5 inches and at least 20 inches on verticals. This was the old Jordan that tried to run through everything and the Pistons were designed to stop that. Once Phil Jackson became coach, he moved Jordan off the ball like Larry Brown did with Allen Iverson, a Jordan clone, and the rest is history.
Nice try trolll
Bill Laimbeer could have very easily been called for an illegal defense in some of these clips. At times he looked like he was just roaming not even guarding anybody.
his reaction to losing this series shows what makes him the goat.. he was genuinely disappointed in HIMSELF and didn't put blame on anyone but himself.. you'd be hard pressed to see anyone react the same way except for maybe curry
The Jordan rules never stop Jordan completely. He still scored over 30 points. The rules merely body slammed him and tired him down eventually. It was pretty much one player (Jordan) against five Piston players. Pippen was still called migrained Pippen at that time and Horace Grant wasn't around.
Is that not a travel at 5:04? I can never understand how that rule works
technically its a travel, but he did it smooth like it was natural so it didnt look that bad lol
Yes, he totally got away with picking up his pivot foot...
It's the glorious 80s nba lol
BBALLBREAKDOWN It's not a travel to pick up your pivot foot. It's only a travel if you pick up your pivot foot and put it back down before dribbling the ball, which did not occur in this play. Thus, this play was not a travel.
gcree20 it would be in Europe
Fantastic video!!! Please keep this video up for eternity. This is a great teaching video for our youth.
KJRawX im a huge jordan fan but u hate on lebron too much lol
There's a lot to hate about the Diva.
props to jordan for sticking with the bulls through thick and thin. he had NO help during his bulls teams of the 80s
Coach, I know your time is not limitless, but if you were ever able to videos specific to the impact of rule changes, it would really help inform conversations positively between fans of different eras (I'm talking hand-check, zone, 3-pt etc.). Thank you for this wonderful channel, its really made me a more knowledgable fan.
“The next year, Phil Jackson took over...and the rest is history” That’s true. The next year, they lost again to Detroit. With Phil. And Scottie. That is history. Three out of four playoff series went to the Pistons.
Bulls swept Pistons in 91 which was something the Pistons never could do and the Bad Boys were history
Coach, a breakdown on how they broke through would be great!
Michael Jordan played alongside a mop , squeegee and a sponge for most of his career ( ie. scrubs) up until about 1992 when Pippen and Grant started to come into their own as good role players. It was basically one on five whenever he played the Celtics and Pistons. He played them well, but obviously would not be able to overcome those superteams, but he never tried to create a superteam either to try to beat them, he just went out there and played hard and let the chips fall where they may... this is highly respectable compared to the guy who started the whole modern superteam craze, Lebron James going to Miami.
Please more old skool videos! Great stuff coach!
Coach, are you a mind reader? I just saw a bunch of videos about the "Jordan Rules", and a day after that you post a video about it!! lol
Nice video, regards from Brazil!!
Yes! I read minds!!!
So it was essentially a zone without breaking the rules of man to man
No, not really. It was more about doubling him
BBALLBREAKDOWN Well loose double teams were illegal, but I thought the Jordan Rules were essentially to keep him out of the paint, somewhat akin to a zone.
Bankai2169 Not sure what you mean by "loose" double teams. You could certainly double team back then...
I thought there was a rule on what defined double teams back then but I'll go with the expert over my statements
I remember watching a Jordan video like 5 years ago, and a teenager back then was surprised that double teams were allowed in the 90s. I believe it's because of some Kobe propaganda video that's very popular, I think the TH-camr name is similar to kalpha. Something like that.
Can you explain how can we stop the triangle offense?? The rumors says its a deadly way to attack, but is there a counter for it??
So where is all this hand checking you speak of? Where?
Great breakdown! You should do more of these old school MJ breakdowns. For example the 1992 series vs the Knicks where it got very physical. A lot of the younger fans don't realise/know how much softer the NBA is today with all the rules changes and that the narrative of players being bigger, faster and stronger is BS. Players like MJ, Drexler and others would be droppin' 40 every game with ease today, maybe even more. There is no more handchecking, there is a 3 second rule and the overall game was way more physical and tougher unlike these days with all the bitch-made flopping and ref-baiting.
*****
well, first of all, if you think wade and kobe are 10 times better "skill-wise" (and BTW "skills" are not something you can compare 2 players with, because it's a very subjective type of opinion), then clearly you haven't seen enough of Drexler and you should watch some more of his footage, coz he was a very good scorer and could score multiple ways. Drexler was also a way better defender than both wade and especially Kobe. So watch some Drexler footage before making bold statements like that while using "skills" as your main comparing category.
*****
*facepalm * what??? You mean to tell me he's not a better defender than kobe? GTFO!! Kobe's the most overrated defender of all time. These Y2K fanboys.....
Javornie Brathwaite man, you dumb
Javornie Brathwaite you are beyond stupid. Drex couldn’t shoot left and could barely finish left. Kobe was def a better defender and had more ways to score and was deadly wherever. This is why TH-cam comments are so funny because idiots like you do these stupid takes.
Watching MJ scares me the dude is so good.
"...and Bill Cartwright releases his tornado of a shot" LMAO
Great breakdown, thx Coach and Happy 4th July from China.
Thanks!! Glad you liked it.
Great video! For youngster like me who didn't have a chance to witness MJ's glory this was superb. Would like to see more of the older footage analysis. It's postseason anyway :)
And Jordan gave a nice big handshake to Dumars
Awesome vid as usual coach!
Thanks! Fun to go thru the archives
Glad to hear you enjoy it as much as we do - I recommend your channel to every young player I meet.
whats worst zone defense or handchecking..we need a breakdown
***** So you are trying to discredit his efforts on defense because he can get away with hand-checks and arm bars like everyone else? Here's a thought: Jordan at one point his career also averaged a little over a block per game because he was doing weakside help when some guys try attack the paint and could time it enough to get swipes on his own. He knew his fundamentals on defense as well and was usually guarding the ball handler of the opposing team while Pippen guarded the scorer.
For some players, playing elite defense was a real skill. Stockton got away with his style of play but enough so he doesn't get calls on him.
i would like to see what happens in today's game if refs still called handchecking, had the 3 in the key rule, and allowed zones, BUT big men were given more leeway in defending against players driving into the paint. to me, the whole "today's nba is soft" thing isn't just because of the lack of handchecking, but the leeway that offensive players have once they get into the paint.
ReCharredSigh
exactly. Since Iverson had his run in his prime, there have been many perimeter players who easily get easy calls to the line. Harden and Kevin Martin aren't even the fastest guys but they know how to attack weak defenses and make constant trips to the charity stripe. In stark contrast where they can't easily do this against stronger defenses.
Grade2efficient you can definitely see the difference when those two guys you mentioned get into the playoffs; they get into the paint, but because defensive-minded teams aren't biting on their rip through moves and sending them to the line, their shot percentage drops like a rock.
ReCharredSigh so true for what you both said. it is an inflation on the offense in my opinion. and yet the top scorers nowadays arent even on par with the 80s and 90s, pt wise and % wise. sad
Love your videos and this one. Can you do one of Michael Jordan on the triangle offense and how they were able to beat the Pistons? ty
Great video as always.
Now, can you please do one breakdown video about how the approach to the game changed against the Pistons before and after the arrival of the Triangle offense?
That would be awesome.
Thanks coach Nick.
I'm just reading about this in the new Michael Jordan Bio by Roland Lazenby... I'll see if I have footage
Imo Jordan does best with double teams when he doesn't pass out of them. He's very good at spinning away from them etc. passing to Rod sellers is a dub
Great breakdown Coach. BTW, is there a breakdown already on the Lakers Showtime Era? Thanks.
Imagine Jordan played NBA today.. He would be untouchable.
If Bulls management had surrounded him with at least a couple semi-decent players from the time he came into the league, Michael Jordan would have likely won about 15 straight championships, thereby surpassing Bill Russells Celtics, and in an era where there were about three times the number of teams competing as in Russells day.
Good review coach.
coach could you try do a video on players that never made the nba and what their impact might of been in your opinion people like len bias, benji wilson or peewee kirkland?
Happy 4th of July coach
Thank you! Have a safe one!
This just shows his absolute greatness.
Coach nick could you do a on court demonstration breakdown that's better to see it first hand
I'm British so I'm really enjoying the 4th of july
This was before Jordan started working out hard, He looks so small here compared to the nineties.
He would have an even tougher time now with illegal defense and zones. It’s much more sophisticated. I see a couple plays where he held the ball too long before the help came and his defender gave him space to shoot, but didn’t.
I’m 5 years late, but nah. Teams barely even run zones now. Jordan faced better zone principals than the one seen here in this video. The Knicks did a better job with him, so did the Sonics.
I think Doug Collins was a really great head coach, it's a real shame what he had to work with though.
happy 4th July from switzerland!
Thanks!
If OKC would have fired Brooks in 2012, like the Bulls did with Collins, now they would have at least 1 championship. Bulls situation proves that all those experts who love to say "Oh, Brooks brought the team to the conference finals this year, he's a great coach" are bunch of idiots and they deserved to be laughed at (including KD. When that prick will have 0 championships and the end of his career, I will be the one laughing, because I hate his demeanor) Whoever was in charge of Bulls at that time, had the balls to take a risk and got rewarded.
Why do you hate KD?
BBALLBREAKDOWN I know your planning on doing a lot of vintage stuff over the summer Coach Knick and I was wondering if you would do a breakdown on the Suns 7 seconds or less offense? I know its hardly old enough to be called vintage but I'm really curious about that style of offense, from what I can gather it seems like a combination between the Spur's passing and the Heat's fastbreak, which just sounds incredible. Is that a fair assessment?
I think I've got a game or two from that era.. Stay tuned!
Explain the Jordan Rules . It is basically this: if he's at the top or point position force him to his left; don't let him drive baseline; if he posts up, double team him from the top; if he gets into the paint, drop him to the floor. It is that simple, and you fail to explain it because you make excuses and praises of Jordan, and then you get into aome technical hoopla.
Yawn trolll
Coach Nick can you please make video how the bulls beat the pistons and their jordan rules.. Thanks and more power to you and your team
How did mj and the bulls overcome the pistons and the jordan rules?!? Pls ive been waiting for that video
i like that you pick out classic games for further analysis. but at 1:57, when you talked about how good jordan was without explaining about the reason, seems a bit lacking as a coach. i think it would be helpful to give subscribers and viewers, especially the young ones some insight about how jordan's instant reaction upon receiving the ball and his almost prophetic read on defense helps him to get by double/triple team. i believe it was some sort of fundamental skill back then, when player has to take advantage of having that off the ball dribble as well as the possibility to go either way depending on the defense and the screen being set up. it was never about a one on one dribble exhibition-unlike those you see everywhere today, in which they wasted a lot of golden opportunities to break down the d before it is even formed.
Great analysis and a lot of old memories!
Apart from the basketball defensive strategies explained, wasn't the "Jordan Rules" also about the not-so-pretty shoving, pinching, hitting, trash-talking and other antics that went on to wear MJ out and get under his skin? MJ didn’t (perhaps that should be don’t?) really hate Isiah because he was a good defender…
this mirrors the spurs gameplan against the heat if i'm not mistaken
The Pistons dominated this series. I don't know why he is praising Jordan in this
from what i saw from this game, there were a lot of easy shots his team missed, jordan played very well
the 89-90 pistons teams were unbeatable come playoff time they blew everyone out.....sometimes this is less about comparing teams of different eras styles players and more about heart!....and not forgetting the certain years...no one says you couldnt beat the 91 pistons or the 87 pistons...but in 89-90 the team was young stacked motivated and too good for anyone that season...if you played the 96 bulls vs the 89 pistons who know who wins...but in 89-90 the pistons werent gonna be denied for those 2 titles...dumars and rodman were too good on defense...thats why i hate comparisons...its a team sport and rules change ...age happens...if you want to compare its impossible to be right...who knows how good wilt and russel would be in todays era?
Because this series could have been a lot more one-sided if not for Jordan. The Pistons had the best record in the league that year. They dominated the others teams they played in the playoffs that year more than the Bulls. Chicago was the only team to win a game against Detroit in the '89 playoffs: they swept the Celtics 3-0 in the first round; swept the Bucks 4-0 in the Semifinals; followed by a 4-2 win against the Bulls in the ECF; before sweeping the Lakers 4-0 in the Finals to win the Championship. As the heavy underdogs to a team that won 16 more regular season games than they did, the Bulls don't win a game in that series, let alone 2, if not for MJ. That's particularly true of the Bulls win in game 3. Chicago was down by 14 points with 8 minutes left, but with Jordan leading the rally, the Bulls were able to battle back and win the game 99-97 on a clutch game winner by Jordan over Thomas and Rodman. MJ finished the game with 46 points. Moreover, the Bulls could have potentially won the 6th game in Chicago and forced a game 7 if Pippen had not been elbowed by Laimbeer in the first minute, which sent him to the hospital. Without their all-star forward, Jordan again carried the Bulls on his back with his 32 points and 13 assists leading the way, and brought them within 2 points in the fourth quarter before the Pistons pulled away and finished them off.
But in 89, Jordan kept them in it I agree. But he also got killed and the pistons exposed him because he wasn't strong enough. Overall this wasn't a good series for him..
Nico Petrelli Wow, you respond quickly. I agree, by MJ's standards this wasn't a good playoff series, but he still deserves some praise for his effort. The Pistons did a great job containing him overall, which was obviously Daly's strategy, but Jordan wouldn't let the Bulls go down without a fight. It would have been a pretty big upset though if the Bulls had actually won this series.
I think Jordan Rules became the basis of the Box & 1 and the Triangle & 2 Defensive schemes.
So at 2:10 you exclude craig hodges horace grant and cartwright (the rest of the starting 5) and instead say jordans left with sellers and corzine as his next best scoring options when "scotties not out there"glaring omission; I question your judgement
Lebron Rules:
1. Leave him to shoot 3s
2. Foul him to make him shoot FT in the 4th
It wasn't a travel at 5:04. He just gave Joe a shoulder shook and his pivit never moved.
+Humberto Guerrero His pivot clearly leaves the ground before he dribbles. It's walks all day.
Lol, I had forgotten how ugly Cartwright's shot was.
23 dislikes. Fitting.
Interesting breakdown...
Why is the Pistons defense in 04 against Kobe never mentioned. The Kobe rules were much more effective than the Jordan rules. Still the Jordan rules is still so famous I think even a book was written about it, even though Jordan still was still putting up great numbers against them after they applied the Jordan rules while Kobe got completely shut down by the Kobe rules.
Michael Jordan numbers against the Pistons defense in 1989 36.7-6.8-7.2 but many people say the Jordan Rules was applied after he dropped 47 and 42 on them in game 3-4 so If you look at numbers in the three games he still averaged 27.3ppg-7.3rpg-6.3apg on 47% against them so thats not shutting him down at all. Altho it was still a great defense that played a brilliant strategy that actually did slow him down as his turnovers also skyrocketed after the Jordan rules were being applied. However with that being said
Kobes numbers against the Kobe Rules is 22.6ppg-2.8rpg-4.4apg and 3.6 turnovers a game on 38% shooting
Young Rain because if kobe was defended by jordan rule, kobe CANNOT score and lead the team to victory; whereas if jordan was defended by "kobe rule", from what you call, jordan can still score and win the game. that's why jordan rule are so famous. remember in 1980s, the basketball rule was equalized on both offensive and defensive player, but now, the basketball rule is more favorable to the offensive player. in other words, the defense in 1980s are much intense than 2000s and much dirtier then ever.
Antony_Pak and also, the reason why piston won the series in 2004 was because karl malone did not play in the final. if malone played, that would be another whole story. remember, lakers has 4 hall of frame players on the roster, while in 1989, pippen still not an superstar player behind michael. so look at roster, laker was way better than bull
Antony_Pak I would say It might have been closer but I don't think that the pistons would have won. Also I'm not saying It was better I am just saying that it was ten times more effective than the Jordan rules.
Lakers scoring option number 1 was Shaq, not Kobe you dumb fuck.
BasketballStud99 Did I ever say Kobe was the number one scoring option dumbass? No I didn't so do the world a favor and SHUT THE FUCK UP!
You still see these same concepts against LeBron, Durant, and even curry.
Coach Nick, just wondered where do you get all the tape from?
ESPN Classic and NBA TV
Do a vid about the 04 pistons. Maybe the best defensive team ever!
great choice
It's the 2k17 double team cheese
They broke through when Denise Rodman left and they lost a big IQ on the defense
everyone should see the bad boys doc on espn 30 for 30
Bad Boys Detroit vs King James: Too many people will go to hospital.
Jamal Crawford reminds me of mj just without the athletic ability and defense. The way they dribble, shoot and score effortlessly is similar.
Crawford takes stepback 3s. You'd never see Jordan take a stepback 3.
Are there going to be any FIBA Championship breakdowns in August?
ABSOLUTELY
if you are making a rule to stop one player.... then you know that one player is the GOAT
When wiggins plays parker on Friday will you make a breakdown.
Do you think Michael Jordan would have won without Pippen
While they were physical with him, there also was illegal defense and no zone defense
There was no defensive 3 second in the 90’s.....
Pistons defense could have easily been exploited if bulls had good shooters ..
RobloOliver well you cant have a perfect team.