This is the best video video I have ever seen about a goat debate without being a whole essay, very impressive, you always surprises and I love your content
“People don’t realize how good this kid is. They always focus on his dunking the basketball. If he didn’t dunk the ball, he’d be as great as any player who’s ever played this game.” - Jerry West on Michael Jordan….before Jordan ever stepped on an NBA court.
@@A5AP_SWEATSHIRT I think he’s trying to say in terms of the amount of content and the amazing formatting of it, not that it dragged on, I guess more so that he was “able to fit 4 hours of content in a 15 minute video” is one way you could interpret it
This video was fucking trash!! It added nothing to the overall debate/discussion. It was JUST as bad as the ESPN and Undisputed takes, everybody do yourself a favor and check out uncut hoops video th-cam.com/video/UwmAEKDhGsk/w-d-xo.html
Jimmy I have been watching you since 2018 and it never ceases to amaze me how regardless of views, subscribers, or the changing social environment your content is so damn consistent. So cool to see you've reached almost 2 million subscribers! Keep up the good work.
I've never watched NBA and don't know shit about basketball. It is just this guy's incredibly passionate storytelling that keeps me glued to whatever it is that he is talking about. Amazing man, hats off!
Great Video. One thing I would mention is pressure. Lebron was on magazines at 17 and named greatest prospect ever, and told you better be great or else. He met all that and more.
Jimmy… this video is a masterpiece, that last minute and a half literally gave me chills and shivers down my spine. I’ve never been so intrigued by the “G.O.A.T. Talk” like this before. You didn’t once force yourself to answer the big question, “Who is The Greatest of All Time?”, I can tell that you just love basketball and love talking about it.
Bron plays no def and when he does he taking the easiest assignments. These mind bending feats hes talking about is coming off of being a liability on the def end
I don't agree with how he described their careers, writing subjectively like that you can make either look better and I think he made Lebron look better. Realistically you could have formulated those last 2 minutes to favor MJ's narrative by just phrasing it differently. Example : Jordan was drafted on a terrible team with crack smokers, but weathered the storm of the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers to take the torch and become the dynasty that nobody could match, he had to retire to give other people the chance to win a ring. Lebron on the other side was drafted to a similarly terrible team, but he escaped the grind and formed 3 super teams whilst 4 rings in more tries.
Makes me realize that Michael Jordan is the Usain Bolt of the NBA and LeBron is the Eliud Kipchoge. Both are masters of their thing, Michael at a fast unbeatable career at the fastest level, LeBron at sustained excellence. I’ve been done with the GOAT debates since Kobe passed, I’ve learned to just appreciate the greatness we get to watch live while it’s happening instead of fighting and reducing one side or the other.
Don’t think that to be true, since we have more injuries now than ever before. People missing constantly and players regress a lot earlier. LeBron is just a freak of nature. 40 years old, and he’s carrying Team USA and dominating the world. (KD kinda contesting that now he’s back, almost equal now.)
The best unheard of stat for Jordan is leading the league in scoring and making all defensive first team in the same season. He did that 9 times! For Bron taking that 07 cavs team to the finals is an underrated achievement. Jordan never took a bad team to the finals. Both players have done things the other hasn’t. Let’s all appreciate the greats while we still can.
J Mendez Magic took His team to the Finals His rookie yr, started at center, won final's MVP, Kareem didn't play cause He was hurt. And your acting like Lebron losing is impressive. Jordan early in His career faced more top 50 legends than any current player. And when He faced them He dropped record numbers like 63pts vs The Celtics (The Champs) in 86'. Lebron is only relevant cause the league is watered down.
@@SwaggerLikeUz u acting like magic carried the lakers through the whole playoffs by hisself with a roster full of bums. kareem in the playoffs before getting hurt was putting 32 pts 12 rebounds 3 asts along with 3 blocks. no one is saying lebron losing is impressive but are talking about how he brought a team full of make a wish kids to the finals. The argument about how jordan faced more top 50 players is ain’t really effective since none of these current players really faced any top 50 players. Not only that the 63 pts jordan dropped against the celtics ended up in a loss. now i’m not saying it’s not impressive but if you arguing about lebron’s 2007 run not being impressive since he loss in the finals, then you can say the same about the 63 pts which are both dumb. saying lebron is only relevant cause he plays in a “watered down league” is retarded. so going against the dynasty warriors dynasty spurs big 3 celtics bulls led by mvp d rose just to name a few is watered down. come on now pls tell me how the league is watered down. Edit: forgot to say how he had to go against the orlando magic led by superstar dwight howard who was winning 3 straight dpoys and the detroit pistons who at the time were contenders
@@SwaggerLikeUz bro just hating at this point 😭, they both the goats. One dominated the most talented basketball era ever, the other won every final he was playing so stop being a child
This is the best GOAT debate video ever. And not just because I mostly agree. But I love the way you provide facts and analysis while praising both players because they are AMAZING
@@theotherview1716 they are not equal. Jordan is better he can fit in more systems. You can plug him into any situation and they will have some form of success and his production won’t fluctuate.
I wish these videos would factor in an in-depth discussion about teammates, strength of era, coaching etc. factors outside of individual play/accolades because all of that goes into the success a player has, too. Unseen or not. I’m really glad you touched on it. I appreciate that.
Exactly, ultimately there are things that will forever haunt LeBron's GOAT debate regardless of what stats he finishes with. 1. His meltdown against Dallas. 2. Having a LOSING record in the finals - yes this matters and don't give me he faced a super team take since LeBron created multiple super teams and Harden did more against said super team. I mean thank God for the fake bubble championship which jmx has placed as one of the easiest championships of all time otherwise.... 3. He ran and created multiple super teams to stack the deck. 4. LeBron's longevity is great but modern medicine/diet and rule changes and scheduling helped out with that a lot. 5. LeBron's scoring while great would not be as high without the 3 sec rule, just imagine if all his career a Gorbert or Giannis or Embiid could just wait in the paint as long as they want for LeBron to drive. 6. LeBron's offense might be great in year 19 but his defense is terrible, he is basically stat padding at this point. 7. LeBron is about to miss the playoffs with a super team he built AND with the affordance of a play in tournament when he is supposedly still in his prime and a top 10 player. 8. Free throw shooting and other holes/intangibles in is game like not having a killer instinct.
Pretty nice video that put different perspective into dissecting the measurement of defining goat. In my opinion you could have added two more. This would be the game itself, which has a big influence to longevity of the career also. And the rivals they had to face to be crowned as the goat. The numbers games also becomes more irrelevant, because the game of basketball changed in those generation and the style also challenge to score changed. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the great work!
"When does the longevity of Lebron's brilliance simply outmatch the slightly greater, but much shorter brilliance, of Michael?" The perfect way to sum it all up, amazing vid as always jxmy
This was an absolute masterpiece Jxmy. Over the years I’ve had countless GOAT debates with my friends, and things tend to get heated which leads to a more emotion based debate. This video broke down the argument in such a concise and articulate way, and I couldn’t agree with you more.
This channel is without a doubt, the best basketball channel on TH-cam. Jimmy goes into such detail and has such convincing arguments that he could probably convince all of us that Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT. Keep up the good work and keep making the best basketball videos on TH-cam! Edit: jeez people are getting so mad over me complimenting someone, like calm down.
Best analysis of the GOAT debate between these two legends that I have ever seen or heard. Loved the explanation of how you view "the best player" and "the greatest player" differently. And the usage of Chamberlain and Russell could not have been done better. First time watching your work. SUBSCRIBED.
Lebron is by far the GOAT.. Jordan played for a long ass time.. 18 or 19 years. He only made all NBA 11 times Jordan spent half of his career losing year after year after year in the very first round And wasn’t even making the all NBA list until he got Scottie pippen this guy is literally bringing up “advanced stats” like PER boban marjonovic has the highest PER of all time those advanced stats are useless You could be efficient in 10 minutes and have super high advanced stats Real stats matter Like points per game, assists per game, blocks, rebounds All that random shit like PER and VORP are for nerdy analytics guys. Analytics ruin the nba lol. They use like fractions and try to determine the best player by advanced metrics that aren’t even real life. Boban has the best advanced stats that exist And teams don’t even want him. Jordan played till he was 39. Lebrons 38. Jordan entered the league at 20 Lebron entered at 18. In Jordan’s era zone defense wasn’t even allowed Everyone had to be “man covered” one on one. Zone defense is what ALL teams use today and is far superior, guys like lebron and Giannis could score 59 a game back then with man defense. Zone defense became allowed after shaq Because the rules Jordan played with made shaq too OP Shaquille O’Neal made the NBA allow a bunch of other forms of defense. Because nobody could one on one stop Shaquille O’Neal And they’ve stayed ever since. Dudes like lebron, Giannis and shaq would have even better numbers than they do if they played with the same rules as Jordan, and wilt and magic and all those guys. That’s something nobody talks about. You had to man check. Then shaq came and there was literally no way to stop him so they changed the rules. The NBA changes the rules FOR Jordan to make it easier for him. And they changed the rules for shaq to make it harder for him. That’s why I think shaq is a top 4 player all time. Lebron would’ve been the same way. Unstoppable, Lebron is better than Jordan by far and has better stats and is just overall greater he’s the goat
@@Bandofthehawk00 just no... if all ppl on the planet has to choose wich player u want to watch... 99% would watch jordan again instead of lebron... thats a fact and thats the reason why he is the goat... in 100 years, every man, child, woman on the planet will know michael jordan... for sure. the influence that he have is untouchable and he was the best basketball player by far... longevity doesnt beat killer instinct and influence!
The difficulties of this GOAT debate is the fact that each player played in different eras with different rules and rule changes. I have to just appreciate each player for what they did in their individual eras
This is such an easy way out of the GOAT debate, you're side-stepping it and not engaging with the topic at hand. Just because the GOAT debate is difficult due to differences over different time period, doesn't mean it's impossible nor does it mean the debate is invalid.
@@aldrichemrys he’s right there were way different rules in Jordan’s era the lebrons era for example illegal defense this was a rule that made it strictly man to man there was only one defender in your way another person couldn’t leave his guy to help out that was illegal defense now imagine if lebron only had to blow pass one person
@@IHateStroads Exactly, hockey is really the only sport with an “undisputed” GOAT. Even then some believe it would be Mario Lemeiux for similar reasons. Shorter career, injuries, but shined very bright when they were there.
The goat debate obviously never ends. The way I circumvent this is "if we had a draft today including all of the greats as a rookie, assuming the same injury histories we've seen, who'd you take first?" Gets some interesting responses
I am not a huge basketball fan, it's crazy how this man makes me stare at the screen (without blinking) with nothing but a few charts and a couple of video highlights. The production is great, don't get me wrong, but to pull me in like this... you're like a wizard, dude. Your well constructed story telling and documentary-esque narration is out of this world.
@@Tkokat don't worry about him, he's trying to gatekeep basketball lol. I also never cared about basketball, but Jimmy's videos and editing has me hookeddd
@@Katagatamekiller "It appears that my poor grasp of the English language has resulted in me needing to hear simple and succinct statements regarding the GOAT debate for the sport of Basketball." - Foreigner with better English than native English speakers
After absolutely carrying team USA at age 39 to an Olympic gold medal and winning Olympic MVP, I really have to give it to Lebron being the GOAT. Do I think that Jordan had a higher peak? Slightly. Do I think that Jordan was more feared and revered in his prime? Yes. Do I think Jordan had a greater killer instinct? No doubt. In a complete re-draft of every player to ever touch a basketball, I would still take Michael Jordan with the first pick. But can I also concede the fact that Lebron's greatness probably surpasses Jordan? Yes.
I cannot get over how good your videos are. It's so consistent, I know that every single moment I spend watching your videos is a well spent one. I love the fact-based videos, stats are truly king.
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no TH-camr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear matt
Hands down the best interpretation of the goat debate I’ve ever seen. You sir deserve to be a full time journalist covering whatever sport you choose. Kudos.
This video was fucking trash!! It added nothing to the overall debate/discussion. It was JUST as bad as the ESPN and Undisputed takes, everybody do yourself a favor and check out uncut hoops video th-cam.com/video/UwmAEKDhGsk/w-d-xo.html
It’s very simple. Jordan was more clutch and a better scorer Lebron is a better at everything else and makes his teams better A few additional things. When Jordan retired the first time the bulls still won 50 plus games without him and almost made the finals except for one bad call vs the Knicks Meantime when Lebron left the cavs twice they went from 60 wins to 19 after he left. So he was Personally responsible for 40 more wins. Thts insane Lebrons legacy is hurt with the spurs and mavs loss in the finals however the warrior team that won 70 games and Lebron beat is by far a much better team than any teams Jordan faced in the finals In conclusion. For one game. U take Jordan. For a season u take Lebron and if u think Kobe is on the level of these two guys u should be banned from ever talking about basketball
The "accolades" of dpoy etc. Is a shit argument because those are popularity contests and LeBron has been snubbed on numerous occasions in order to protect Jordan's legacy its glaringly obvious 🤦♂️🤷♂️
@@pepironi992 I agree, Lebron played against the 2 best teams in NBA history... Spurs and Warriors, If Jordan faced a team even half as good as those two, his career wouldve been extremely diferent.
@@IHateStroads jordan wouldve won it a 6th and 7th time in 92 and 93 he led the league in scoring and steals but the media didn't want him to get it either so that point is gone
This video lacks nuance and context. U can't talk about who's the best when they played in different eras. Least U can do is compare their eras and the competition they faced to win rings. Lebron has clearly played in the most skilled era and faced some of the greatest NBA dynasties ever assembled. MJ won 10 scoring title in his era, scoring more than 30 ppg in his prime. Lebron has only 1, maybe 2 this season. That's how Jxmy presented his stats in this video. But it's apple to oranges: Would MJ win 10 scoring titles in an era with Harden, KD, Kobe, Steph ??? Would MJ win has many rings in an era with Kobe & Shaq? Spurs Dynasty? Warriors Dynasty ? Big 3 Celtics ? MJ had similar Dynasties when he came to the league but couldn't beat them: Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers until they got old. Also Jxmy shows a graphs of their stats where MJ has 15 seasons and Lebron 18 seasons, completely irrelevant and pointless since Lebron has played more season...? All this to bring longevity? Lebron will be the all time scoring leader in less seasons and less games AND less figure attempts than Kareem. This is the context you need to bring when u do comparisons. Otherwise u resume everything to numbers and it's meaningless; u can make ur first NBA finals win and retire with the best numbers to have the greatest numbers ever. Compare the players era, their talent, their competition AND the stats.
This video is one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen. The production value, the script, the editing, the content and argument itself is incredible. No debate that Jxmy is the GOAT of basketball youtube
THE BEST video I have ever watched concerning the GOAT debate. You cover every important aspect while remaining unbiased and accurate. Simply just amazing.
He ignored several important aspects. This is the best Goat debate video where actual research was done Jordan vs Lebron - The Best GOAT Comparison th-cam.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/w-d-xo.html DANGERProductions
@@brandonyo5718 No, if you were around when he played you would realise he's the GOAT. The only one's who consider the failure that is Lebron James the GOAT are people who never existed when Jordan played. How a player who has only won 4 championships in 19 seasons can be considered even top 5 is hilarious
Well for starters i doubt ESPN would hire a guy to do 15 minutes of goat debate. I doubt they'd hire a guy to do 15 SECONDS of goat debate. Just yell out lebron's the goat for 30 seconds then go to commercial
There are no words for this production. It feels like watching a quality documentary. I wonder how amazing would it be if you make an hour long documentary of any topic. Goosebumps. Great job bro! And thanks for these awesome vids!
You also have to consider that our perception of greatness has many other factors such as impact on our culture. This is why Kobe is considered a GOAT contender. Watching him as a kid carry your team in that signature hero playstyle (clutch tough bucket getter) and then hearing about his sudden death makes him like a martyr, his influence is legendary enough for him to be GOATED despite the actual basketball data. Some players are greater than the game. Another great example is Yao Ming. This guy is a god in Asia. And I'm sure all of Greece loves Giannis. Greatness is an individualized experience based on perception and worldview. As jxmy said, it's a matter of best player and best legacy. You can also look at like this: Who do I want on my team vs Who will still be remembered 1000 years from now? Two very different questions, although you can definitely say the same one player can be both.
Agreed. Kobe has no real GOAT case but his death has skyrocketed his legacy to the point where ignorance has made people believe he is. No disrespect to him though. 🐍
Facts and having a well thought out debate online with stranger is almost non existent so the nuance makes even stating a stance contentious to say the least unfortunately
@@gaoshanr If I knew how to make videos I would make a better video. Still waiting for a video that talks about MJ teammates health vs lebrons teammates health. MJ coaching vs lebrons coaching. The fact the Knicks (and Pacers) were so overated and basically the only challenge in the east and people talk about LeBrons east but mjs was worse. The fact MJ played in a man to man , no zone , illegal defence era which anyone who knows basketball is much much easier to score and suited MJ talents as a slasher. The fact MJ's era avg the most free throws ever and you couldn't breathe on MJ. LeBron gets the Shaq treatment cause he's too strong. He didn't mention the many other analytics categories that lebron leads over mj. Took only the basic ones that favour MJ. The fact the 90's era the bulls dominated cane after 2 expansion eras with all the super teams gone. LeBron went through super teamadter super team, literally one after another. In their prime. The fact MJ never guards the best players , isn't responsible for playmaking or rebounding. All he had to was score. Then there's the off the court stuff. MJ is a degenerate bum. LeBron is annoying but a saint compared to MJ. Just a far better human being. Things that should be mentioned. He left out all that and more and I didn't stop while typing this to even think. I'll bet I could think of many more things. This was biased cause he knows most of his audience or sheep like jordanites and he'll get clicks and praise
@williamgibson If you liked this one you should definitely look up LeBron Vs Jordan The GOAT debate Trust me that video is almost at 15 million view and is the best comparison anyone has ever seen. Funny story it's the only video on that channel lol
LeBron’s greatness is unquestionable. Having the privilege of watching Micheal Jordan growing up as well as LeBron more recently, there is an intangible difference between them. If Jordan’s competitors didn’t play to his level of intensity on any given night, their chances of winning were slim. His competitiveness and intensity demanded that not only his opponents, but also his teammates elevate their level of play or else it was his game. The outcome of the game would be determined by him. Nobody has ever been able to match that. Kobe was close and Lebron dominates in a different way. Again, it’s an intangible thing. Advanced metrics, data sets or statistics can’t quantify it.
Yeah he had that special aura. It's hard to quantify and I'm a big science and numbers guy. But there was something about him. You just couldn't bet against him. I think that also contributed to his almost mythical status. We as humans love the supernatural, the non explainable, the mysterious and mythical. Jordan somehow encapsulates all of that. Kobe was the only one who came close to that since then but he had too many human flaws and also as a player. But since Kobe did came close to it his death felt so surreal. Because he also appeared larger than life. LeBron is special but he just doesn't have that aura. He always looks and feels beatable somehow.
Part of what makes MJ the goat in my eyes was his character. People want to compare stats, attributes, athletic ability and championships. No one ever compares their character. Lebron self-proclaiming himself as the goat ends the debate real quick for me, personally.
@@iliketurtles7782 MJ was top 10 in scoring and won 32 of the 60 games he played in when he was 38/39. He had kwame Brown and Ty Lue to work with that season. A much younger Kobe proved that's not an easy task. LeBron was 36/37 this season. MJ was also trending upward after starting slow from not playing professionally and entering the MVP race before getting hurt. After the slow start, he was averaging almost 30 before getting hurt. He was 9th in the league in scoring and climbing. His first year in Washington is overlooked because he started slow and got injured and he fell off the next year when he was 40. But for those 60 games he took a bad team to a winning record. So despite what Jimmy has no evidence for, there's actual proof he would've won on a bad team. Considering he actually did it... 2 years older than LeBron was this season at that.
Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. Fought through adversity, improved himself to win, etc. Lebron is the smartest basketball player of all time. He knows who to team up with to accomplish his goals, takes care of his body to accomplish those goals, etc.
Tim Duncan is the smartest basketball player of all time Mj is the best basketball player of all time Kobe is the most influential basketball players of all time Lebron is the thrived best player of all time
I really appreciate the work you put in on this video and for this debate. I feel you've settled the argument in a manner that is satisfying for the time being.
Tbf how do we hold it against lebron for being so good for so long? Like shouldnt that contribute majorly to whos more great. Not really fair to criticize someone for not retiring after 13 years and not having 6 rings. Like you want them to just give up?
That was without a doubt one of the best basketball short films I've ever seen. Yes, films. This is the best take on a nuanced Goat debate that I've ever seen. Congrats, and thank you for this humble offering for basketball heads around the world.
@@brandonbuller2471 naw mate that video was trash and added NOTHIN to the discussion. Go check out Uncut Hoops video, now that's a in-depth and a must watch tbh.
@@TheNegationist naw I can't mate, people need a real in-depth video. The maker shit on ESPN while giving the SAME EXACT talking points. At least UnCut hoops gives you a REAL IN-DEPTH video, this shit was under garbage.
Nice video, and somehow applies just as well today as two years ago. Having been able to watch the career of both players, I always had Jordan as my number one until recently. It was close though. For Jordan, it was the titles, competitiveness, the awesome peak during the early 90s and the absurd efficiency at the guard spot. For Bron, it was the longevity and sustained greatness, the ability to elevate each franchise he joined and to win a chip with each, and the versatility. Why have I changed my opinion? there's one main reason, and for me this is the tie-breaker... Because of the rise of sports analytics, it has forced huge changes on the game recently. There has been two major changes to the game during LeBron's career that have forced him to adapt his game. The first was the move away from isolation towards pick-and-roll basketball, and the second was the 3-point and spacing era. LeBron has managed to adapt to both of these, in spite of coming into the league as an iso heavy player without great range. He became successul at pick-and-roll in Miami in particular, and now shoots the 3 at above league average. This wasn't natural adaptation of his game due to age, rule changes or just natual evolution, it was forced on him and the rest of the league in the course of a couple of years each time. Keep in mind these are same changes that killed the traditional center, and then forced "LeBron-lite" guys like Melo, Rudy Gay, Josh Smith, Blake Griffin, etc into irrelevance. The ability of LeBron to adjust and remain one of the top few players in the league is evidence of his greatness. To compare, this would be the same as if teams' data guys in '91 said "what Malone and Stockton are doing now is the future of basketball and all teams need to do it", and then in '95, "Mike, your midrange game is inefficient. From now on, You need to only take 3s or shots at the rim". Either of these things alone, let alone both, would have changed the entire trajectory of Jordan's career. Could he have adapted? I think he could have, but that's irrelevant to the debate because he never had to... It's just another "what-if".
Sorry, someone made a 30 minute video more in depth about this same type of stuff 4 years ago. MJ vs lebron goat debate so this reminded me of a copy and paste video honestly
For as well made as this video is he leaves out one of the most important metric in this debate and that is level of competition. Glaring mistake in my opinion - you can actually see the difference when you look at the footage. Anyone connected to sports, youth sports knows that coaching is constantly getting better, the pipeline for finding and developing young talent is getting better, and given the money and opportunity that goes along the NBA (credit to MJ for that) the talent, skills, and ability of each new generation of players just gets better and better. LeBron has had to play against much better competition. LeBron had had to continually develop his game and he has which is why his overall value and numbers have remained high, while MJ’s numbers declined. Michael was the ultimate competitor, but LeBron is the greatest player of all time. Think about this if you need more proof - how many times did MJ defend a Center? LeBron’s ability, even into his late thirties, to play all five positions, to guard any player on the court including Centers is not something MJ could do. Another important metric left out of this video and the GOAT debate IMHO. Loved MJ, but LeBron has surpassed him, and that is great for the game.
The question that fans should be asking is "Why is MJ the barometer for greatness?". This is a question that is rarely asked and should be explored more deeply, it goes waaaaayyyyy beyond the stats and accolades.
theres a reason hes called black jesus, because he was like a demigod, i want ja morant to be that mythical as well but noone every exceeds mj, and he wasnt even trying to beat records by padding.
I think it’s because he was the first player who reached that magnitude. The new guy will be compared to the older guy. But I get what you’re saying because the conversation is “how can LeBron reach MJ in [insert career accolade in here].”
MJ has the aura of a winner, he's got the kind of personality that only the likes of Maradona have. The kind of rare people that will never lose a final if they are put in that position they will make sure they win.
Jimmy has a future in writing. This is one of my favorite videos on the channel as of late and probably the best goat debate video I’ve ever watched 👏🏻
Too many assumptions. For example assuming the Bulls couldn't have won a 4th straight when he retired the first time after MJ finished those finals averaging 41ppg. Stick to the facts and not assuptions. You wanna see a great breakdown? Watch "Jordan vs Lebron, The Best GOAT Comparison". Strictly based on facts, not assumptions.
Bobby Knight said MJ was the best player he'd ever seen BEFORE he played an NBA game. Magic said there's Michael Jordan and then there's everybody else BEFORE MJ won a ring. Bird called MJ God BEFORE he reached the second round of the playoffs. When asked who he thought was the GOAT, Hakeem diplomatically gave the nod to MJ. The GOAT (like MJ, I don't personally favor that term) isn't about rings or stats, but it is about abilities, ESPECIALLY under pressure. If you have to run to form Superteams and STILL lose, you're disqualified from the debate! Breaking records (which were facilitated by running to play with other superstars in a soft era) doesn't help, ESPECIALLY if you don't win consistently. Critics used to say MJ needed a ring before he could be considered the best, but now that LBJ can't catch MJ's ring count, rings were "reduced" to a "team accomplishment." Yet, the so-called self-proclaimed GOAT promised to achieve the goal of "more than eight rings," but he couldn't, so that's how that "sour grapes" narrative became needed. Teams are made of individuals, and great individuals carry their teams to victory whenever needed. Remember when Pip played decoy and MJ had to practically beat Utah by himself to win Chicago's sixth ring? Meanwhile, LBJ cries for more help almost every single year. MJ made "team accomplishments" happen consistently. If anything, LBJ's stats are Superteam accomplishments!
@ariesmendoza1393 BTW, what you guys call "skill" is basically nothing more than a laxity in calling violations now vs. previous eras! Even Jimmy Hightower, a HUGE LBJ guy, had to admit that in one of his videos. “Oh, I say and I say it again. You’ve been had! Ya been took! Ya been hoodwinked! Bamboozled! Led astray! Run amok! This is what he does!” The LBJ propaganda machine is diabolical! I used to fall for it, but LBJ NEVER failed? Nah, he never takes responsibility, which is weak, and is why he'll never be respected fully. When people called Magic "Tragic Johnson," he owned it and immediately won them back, and obviously played much better. LBJ never learned that lesson. Even MJ said he himself failed over and over again... but that's why he succeed. Unfortunately, LBJ still doesn't get it, lol! In this soft era where violations are allowed far more than ever before, LBJ should be king, but unlike Steph, he has no dynasty. No worries. The LBJ propaganda machine is trying to revise what a dynasty is, knowing that Lebronites fall for anything no matter how illogical, lol!
Always love watching these videos to see how Jimmy uses the numbers to tell a story that everyone can watch and enjoy regardless of their opinion on any sort of topic, so much fun to watch and be a part of
Would love to see a statistic approach with differences between their respective eras of playing. How difficult (by effort and technique) it was to be able to score each game with the defensive skilled opponents of their time. What could the stats say when you switch their eras?
imagine this? Jordan stats started from 18 years old like lebrons? then didnt retire for 2 years and then didnt retire for a further 3 years he would have 8 more years added onto his carreer plus he lost a season due to injuries but he got injuried. so adding 8 more prime years to jordan and he would have won more championships more mvps more scoring titles. lebron would have nothing on him at all by 37 years old 19 years into his career. plus jordan played for the love of winning and lebrons is playing for all achievements and to be the goat and plays the most minutes in garbage time then any other player in history just because he wants to play against the worse players to get his stats up. comparing jordan with lebrons is like comparing traditional made spaghetti to tin spaghetti no comparision.
I'm not a Lebron fan but you can't deny how impressive has been for so long. Winning the championship with Cleveland is his greatest achievement. He's longevity is on another level. For those reason I can understand way people would have him as the GOAT. Saying that. MJ is my pick for GOAT for so many reasons.
@@franciscohubahib540 u talkin abt MJ or Lebron? MJ free throw percentages are better than Hebron and Also mj rarely flopped for free throws. Hope ur not talking abt him
Gretzky imo is the only true GOAT of his sport, and now maybe Brady. I find basketball so hard to figure out who the goat is, there is so many players with insane skill levels. As for baseball, Ruth played 100 years ago, I don’t think he’s the greatest ever as players have gotten better and better, but I don’t know who.
Really? You never thought about that? That is a key factor in why Lebron is the goat in my opinion. He is the greatest pure basketball player of all time. Yes Jordan could score better, but that’s one piece of being a basketball player.
@@Thomson07 lebron isnt bad on defense, if he wanted to he prolly could of got a couple of dpoys but towards the end of the miami stint he got lazy on d. jordan didnt have to guard the best player on the opposing team for all 6 of his rings lebron is normally always guarding the best opposing player. another argument for the defensive side of basketball is that the players are just getting better and harder to guard, theres not many people that find new ways to defend people but theres always new offensive moves and ways to look at offense popping up
I just have to say that the quality of your content is amazing. Goes to show how effort creates outstanding results. Personally I was someone closed to thinking that Lebron was close to Jordan in the GOAT debate but when someone explains the facts thoroughly like you did, you just have recognize the reality. For me it just comes down to personal opinion and is nothing to fight about, we should just appreciate greatness. 👑
Started watching the NBA as a kid 1993 (MJs first 3 peat). He’s my favorite player but when he retired in 2003, Lebron became my favorite. I’m privileged to have watched them both. I also invested on their cards, so in a way their greatness has brought me fortune too.
@@KallmeKnicK Bro really said take away achievements like they don't meaning anything 😭. If that's the case, bro might as well have Harden over Kobe as a better SG and Westbrook over Magic as the better PG from strictly a production standpoint.
I like them both, they’ll always be at the top for me. Plumbers, Mickey Mouse ring, Soft, needed Pippen. I don’t care at this point, you can’t doubt they’re both the best at what they do
I can’t make a decision, and haven’t been able to for years. I believe it’s best to have it all in front of you at the end (when James retires). Side note, I’m Lebron’s age. I remember hearing about him in high school. I told buddies he’d be the GOAT.
@@100ovrbatmanbron7 you have to like your own comment to get some kind of approval because your argument is flawed. You dating something stupid like that goes to show how little you know about basketball.
you were pretty damn close. I’d say lebron is goat not off of rings. Lebron has faced many many amazing teams which Jordan never faced like the warriors, spurs, Celtics. Lebron also lost 4 finals based on things he can’t really do anything about (07, 15, 17, 18). In this case if he had a good team (07 and 18) and injuries (15) and if kd wasn’t a spineless pussy (17 and 18) he would’ve had 2 more finals at least and at most 4 more. Then people would say he’s the goat. 07 spurs series lebron had make a wish kids. It was amazing how he forced 2015 finals to 6. With Kyrie or hell even love he would’ve won. If kd didn’t go to golden state in 2016 lebron would’ve won in 2017 and 2018 since Kyrie wouldn’t have left.
Lebron is a really generational talent. Once in a lifetime. People say Giannis will be the GOAT. I’d say that’s bullshit. You have to see, MJ and LeBron are just once in a lifetime talents.
I always thought of MJ as Apollo, playing masterfully with speed and flying through the air with a sort of elegance. James is like a Titan, ruthless, unmovable and playing with a grip of power.
Jordan will forever be the greatest and the most influential and popular player of all time but we have to give lebron his respect he deserves for doing what he’s doing today at 37 it’s extremely impressive.
He is biased towards LeBron James, only trying to be objective. This is not even a discussion. LeBron is never the same level as Chamberlain, Russell, Bird, Erving. The reason for LeBron dominance is low level of competition and low quality of players in LeBron's time. Thats why a lot of people stopped watching. I am starting to watch again thanks to Jokic, Doncic and McClung. No defense no fun. LeBron was bad influence on people and bad for the game. Dominating the thin years.
one of the worst arguments in the GOAT debate is "which era was better" you have casuals invalidating Wilt's greatness just because he played in an era where "players didnt even know how to dribble" or oldheads saying that the NBA have gone soft. although to some extent I agree to both of these statements... there is no way of telling which era was better BUT we can determine which players dominated in their RESPECTIVE ERAS. you cant say that you are more successful than your Father just because at age 16 you had a smartphone and he had a walkie talkie. the same analogy applies to sports. we shouldnt be comparing eras instead we should be comparing how great an athlete was in his own era. MJ dominated the 90s so much that HOFs and teams that were just as good as the bulls ended up ringless.
this is actually a good take. remember JJ Redick said that if we drop Kyrie Irving to the 60s everybody will look at him as a wizard. Even Alex Caruso will look like one if you drop him in the 60s. In sports we build on what came before. LBJ benefited from seeing MJ, AI, Kobe and all the other greats before him play. Plus, he has the other benefits of the technology today, that's why he does what he does at 37. We can't compare eras, but we can compere athletes on HOW THEY DOMINATED THEIR ERA. Nobody ate when MJ was on the table. The same cannot be said for LBJ.
@@devacademe I get the argument for Russell and wilt a little more. It's hard to determine how great they actually were in their era due to only playing 11 other teams max and playing two teams in 5 game series for a maximum 10 game playoff. Kareem showed us he wasn't as untouchable as everyone thought when the NBA expanded from 16 teams.
@@gordonlove5121 well said. I still regard Wilt russell and Kareem as top 10 or 15 players, personally. But if I had to put them in order I'd be lost after the first two.
@@gordonlove5121 MJ prevented other dynasties from forming because he was the dynasty, twice, with 2 different rosters. Using his dominance against him is foolish, bias, and extremely flawed/backwards logic.
Its not about which eras was better, its about which opponents were better. The warriors are by far better than any of the teams jordan faced, and that took away four years of lebron potentially winning the chip which was mostly used against lebron in the rings count argument. And you can argue spurs was better than all the teams jordan played too.
I personally think you left one important thing out - He took the NBA global and the impact was insane. I am Australian and about the same age as MJ - We all knew about the great players at the time and used to get film but when MJ came onto the seen - in the moment he was breathtaking to watch - I have never felt that same way about any other player even though I thought there were many great players. He took the NBA International and was just as huge and his impact just as great outside the US -
I’m Australian and I hundred percent agree. I discover a lot of people who still don’t know who Lebron James is. On the other hand I’ve never met anyone who hasn’t heard of Michael Jordan.
@@TimAfterDinner it’s either cap or they genuinely don’t know nba or follow it even a little bit. When you talk about nba, you will almost always start the convo with mj and bron. People will almost always talk bout mj or bron. The two icons
All good, google has taught me it means bullshit. No cap from my comment, just based off my experience. When further questioned people they usually correctly guess Lebron has something to do with basketball, very few have no clue who he is. But it isn’t automatic how people I have met know Mj.
Okay, this may be your TOP 1 video. Without hesitation. It has the quality of a professional documentary plus being fully engaging. Worth every second. Thank you!
@@xL3THALityx I love seeing these comments. It means they're scared. Lebron is still in the NBA and Noone can doubt he is as good, if not better then he ever has been. Keep holding on MJ fans. But that's it...just hold on. It's not over til it's over.
When highlighting the longevity as a factor of the goat debate, I feel it's also fair to introduce the impact of the difference in the era they played in. That introduces whole set of factors such as competition, physicality, technology, and various athlete resources. I think the 5% superiority states that best version of MJ will be better than the best version of LBJ. I think GOAT debate is more of personal preference rather than something you can discuss with metrics with absolute certainty. Only way to do that is to create a time machine and have them play each other in each respective NBA era.
Valid point. But, if we are going to put the tech disadvantage into consideration in Jordan's favor, we'll also have to put stuff like the three point disadvantage in LeBron's favor. Jordan, in all his greatness, never had to worry about motherf*ckers bringing to him on a nightly basis the rain of threes he brought to Clyde's Trailblazers for just one night. So, indirectly, the tech argument actually compliments LeBron just as much as it favors Jordan: if we are saying LeBron has the advantage of better tech, facilities, etc. Then, we are also saying that his competition were superior to Jordan's - since they had the same advantage. Now, to counter the threes advantage, we could say Jordan played in a far more physical era. And that's true. But, then we must ask ourselves this: In which era would LeBron (the freak of nature that he is - even more so than Mike) have fared better? A league that demands the most of his physicality and strength, or a league full of sharpshooting monsters with disgustingly sophisticated offensive power? All of which comes back to your argument: this stuff is impossible to definitively decide without a time machine. And I still think MJ is the GOAT...at least for now.
Agreed, but regardless, Lebron is the only player in the league that has shown the ability to do this so far. As much as technology can help, he is a freak of nature. Also separate comment. Another factor that helps players today is that they can learn from the players before them. Imagine trying to shoot a basketball in the 50s before you ever saw someone do it the right way 😂. Today, the players have learned so much from being able to build off of previous generations. So yes, players today are inherently better, but relative to era the competition is basically the same since everyone has roughly the same advantages.
@@AFO_AnalyRics LeBron benefitted from the 3pt era too. He benefitted from a faster pace era. It's the reason why he accumulated stats faster than anyone else in the first place. That's why for me, personally, longevity shouldn't be used as an argument ever. It should always be about the percentages to make it proportioned because in the end, it won't matter if LeBron put up all this numbers if he still can't win more rings, MVPs, and other important accolades than Jordan did in a short career. The debate ended for me when LeBron gave up defense and wins to chase stats instead.
I still believe Lebron wouldn't be putting those points after having his body battered by teams who were willing to put his career at risk just to win a game. The bulls were plagued by constant injuries caused in part by how unethical some of the teams in the 80's and 90's were. And it wouldn't surprise me if Kevin Durant or Giannis ends up surpassing Lebron at the end of their careers again aided by how young the players get into the league and the overall longevity in the league and how the rules are right now.
Exactly, I typed up something about why lbj had the golden goose egg of a career, and how other all time players would benefit just as much or more, but yes, it is hard to compare these players from different eras. The only way I see it is 3 eras. 50s-60s where russell is the goat, for just league domination and what he was for his team. The th 70s through 00s where MJ is the goat, he actually did all what he did in 13.5 seasons because he only played 18 games his 2nd season and 27 games when he came back from baseball. amazing. Then, the 2010s and beyond, we can have lebron, for the longevity of his health. avoiding major injuries. I thought about it being steph curry, based on his gravity, but in the end he wilts in the playoffs at times. Even though the era is easier time to score and lbj chooses to play mostly only offense, he is the goat of this era. This really is the only way I can see it. In the end, the overall goat is still mj. MJ played both sides his entire career, consistently, even at 39, before his knee was taken.
Looking forward to 5 years from now when you do a 10 year anniversary of your first (goat) video. You could just make it an every 5 year discussion. Maybe someone else will be on the radar in 5. Either way, great video as always
I love the way this is analysed and put forth. However i feel that the fact of physicality between eras is not pointed out here. MJ went through a more brutal physical-orientated style of play while Lebron did not go through that. I agree that Lebron being able to sustain excellence and consistency at a high level is awe-inspiring, however, the difference in the physicality should contribute to the difference between their flames burning sharper and brighter, and longer but less brighter, respectively.
Bron played too long that we forgot he started playing in 2003. Dude played w players like Artest and Ben Wallace. Was Bron’s era as physical as Jordan’s? Hell no. Did Bron go through that play style? Solid yes.
Honestly I believe that there is no such thing as the GOAT just like jordan said. I believe there is a greatest player of their era because they competed against each other and there is clear results but its just that we have to consider a lot more when we compare all time players such us their era, style of play, competition, the events outside of basketball and so on. Which to me just a lot of what ifs which we cannot really truly say. Its just an endless debate. I do agree that it is interesting and fun to compare players and teams all time and its not really gonna end especially for die hard fans and it is the nature of sports but sometimes we are too focused in comparing them that we forget to appreciate greatness. We all have our opinions, reasons, favorites or personal bias with but in the end we should all just appreciate greatness for every era. Focus on the competition now and savor every moment of it as a basketball fan because we cant really say when does it end. Greatness inspires the next generation of players to be great. Just an opinion is all.
Stats are great and all, but the intangibles are what breaks open the GOAT debate for me. The story former players tell about MJ are ridiculous in comparison to LeBron or other players. Being the GOAT is about what legend you leave behind. Just my thoughts.
Part of what creates that perception is that Lebron is still playing and his legend is still being written. We can't have panels of former players telling stories about what it was like playing against Lebron, because the dude is still playing.
Nov. 9, 2024 This is a reminder that Lebron James has played his 1500th game in the regular season but has more 2-point FG made in fewer attempts than Michael Jordan, who only played 1072 games. • 2-pt FG made LJ/MJ = 12474/11611 • 2-pt FG attempts LJ/MJ = 22475/22759
This is the best video that I’ve seen on this topic. It’s refreshing to listen to well-reasoned arguments based on facts and logic. I’ll always take that over chest-pounding emotional outbursts that are usually fueled by someone’s personal bias and lack of knowledge of the subject at hand.
I remember sometime in the Last Dance Mike had said that he wouldn't play until he had to crawl off the court. He said he would quit while he's still walking which I think definitely helps to your argument, Jimmy. Great vid
@@gd-lockc7618 Yep, also with the best team in the league with the best coach. The bulls literally almost made the finals without him. You can never say that about any team ever. Competition is not taken into account here: Jordan will ALWAYS be the goat according to the media. The more competition, the less likely you'll find players so above MJ in stats and accolades even if they are objectively better.
I'm old enough to have watched the great Russell vs Chamberlain rivalry. As MJ has correctly said, comparing athletes who competed during different eras is ultimately pointless. However, as I look back, there seems to be one factor that hasn't been sufficiently addressed. . . Russell dominated all the competitors for far longer than anyone else has done in their respective eras. There were no metrics to analyze the phenomenon and the league was a fraction of what it has become, due at least partially to MJ's flashy on-court style combined with Nike's unprecedented marketing. I'm not by any means proposing that Bill Russell be recognized as The GOAT, but he was ONE of the GOATS.
The GOAT conversation will always be an argument without an established criteria. It has to be agreed upon. Individual awards aren’t awarded accurately. MJ should have at least 5 more MVP’s & LeBron should have no less than 12. Steve Nash has more MVP’s than Shaq or Kobe. This is why it has to be agreed upon. Gasol won DPOY and didn’t even make All Defensive 1st Team. Both Wins & Losses belong to the entire team. Nobody argues Bill Russell being better than Jordan, because it’s obvious that MJ is better …right? Well… why is it such a double standard when LeBron is mentioned? Opinions carry no weight.
It’s crazy how one person can make a goat debate video better then espn
BETTER!!!!!
Wayyy better dude! It's just wow!
Wao! That’s an explosive analytical opinion. Damn RIGHT!!
Fr😂😂
It's why I dont bother watching Espn...
At least there's no debate that Jxmy is the goat of NBA TH-cam.
Kenny is close dawg don’t sleep
maybe the goat of educating casuals. But if you truly understand the game his channel just scratches the surface of basketball.
@@brendankamikawaji2562 no he’s not the only time he talks about the NBA is on Kenny4real and it’s not as in depth as Jimmy’s videos
*Mike Korzemba enters chat*
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This is the best video video I have ever seen about a goat debate without being a whole essay, very impressive, you always surprises and I love your content
Wow you saw a 15 minute video in 7 minutes!
I watched the whole video and it still says 6 mins ago. You just need to refresh
@@elgin_gibbins bro jus got caught in his lie😂😂he jus want the likes like damn bro watch the full video and learn first.
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Exactly but I think we can all agree the goat is Tyler Herro
This is literally the most insanely well put together youtube video I have ever seen. Production on point!
“People don’t realize how good this kid is. They always focus on his dunking the basketball. If he didn’t dunk the ball, he’d be as great as any player who’s ever played this game.” - Jerry West on Michael Jordan….before Jordan ever stepped on an NBA court.
Game recognizes game
@@chandlerrodgers5415 West also didn’t think Magic would be a good point guard in the nba tbf
@@ki11acam_23 are you really trying to discredit jerry west
@@dkmrap1 is the statement true or not true?
@@jeromegarner7196 doesnt mea anything. q 6'9 pg was unprecedented
Man, this felt like a 4-hour documentary when in reality it was 15 minutes. Keep up the awesome work Jxmy!
Dude if it feels like the video is dragging on than that’s not good.
Yea that’s not a compliment saying it felt longer than what it was but I get what you’re trying to say
@@A5AP_SWEATSHIRT I think he’s trying to say in terms of the amount of content and the amazing formatting of it, not that it dragged on, I guess more so that he was “able to fit 4 hours of content in a 15 minute video” is one way you could interpret it
For real 😂😂
u tripping fym it felt like 4 hours?? it felt like 15 mins
Dang I actually noticed how impressed I was with the structure of this video. The most important questions, and the most thorough explanations to them
Same
Just finished the 2024 Paris Olympics and I can say this is getting Tom Brady level of “how am I still watching this?”
Real lebron just gotta join the wizards and win a chip to be like tb12
"ESPN already gives you a DAILY goat debate anyways"- Jxmy. Soooo true man 😂😜
This video was fucking trash!! It added nothing to the overall debate/discussion. It was JUST as bad as the ESPN and Undisputed takes, everybody do yourself a favor and check out uncut hoops video th-cam.com/video/UwmAEKDhGsk/w-d-xo.html
Jimmy I have been watching you since 2018 and it never ceases to amaze me how regardless of views, subscribers, or the changing social environment your content is so damn consistent. So cool to see you've reached almost 2 million subscribers! Keep up the good work.
Thank me later💪
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Yo bro don't google your name 😂😂
I've never watched NBA and don't know shit about basketball. It is just this guy's incredibly passionate storytelling that keeps me glued to whatever it is that he is talking about. Amazing man, hats off!
what song is this 13;50
@Frank P nah fr cuz like why don’t they watch basketball😂
And that is exactly how I got into basketball. Thank you jimmy
@@retrogaming2899 neither do I. I’m European, so the time difference makes it hard. And I’m a football fan, but love these videos
@@SimonGr8 ah that makes sense you should just watch re runs or something but I understand
Great Video. One thing I would mention is pressure. Lebron was on magazines at 17 and named greatest prospect ever, and told you better be great or else. He met all that and more.
Jimmy… this video is a masterpiece, that last minute and a half literally gave me chills and shivers down my spine. I’ve never been so intrigued by the “G.O.A.T. Talk” like this before. You didn’t once force yourself to answer the big question, “Who is The Greatest of All Time?”, I can tell that you just love basketball and love talking about it.
that last minute gave me chills
Bron plays no def and when he does he taking the easiest assignments. These mind bending feats hes talking about is coming off of being a liability on the def end
I don't agree with how he described their careers, writing subjectively like that you can make either look better and I think he made Lebron look better. Realistically you could have formulated those last 2 minutes to favor MJ's narrative by just phrasing it differently.
Example : Jordan was drafted on a terrible team with crack smokers, but weathered the storm of the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers to take the torch and become the dynasty that nobody could match, he had to retire to give other people the chance to win a ring. Lebron on the other side was drafted to a similarly terrible team, but he escaped the grind and formed 3 super teams whilst 4 rings in more tries.
When lebron gets 6 we can talk... just cause you score points dont make you the greatest
@@splitrivet8956 team sport bozo
Literally one of the best vids by Jimmy that he's ever done. Just magnificent.
Makes me realize that Michael Jordan is the Usain Bolt of the NBA and LeBron is the Eliud Kipchoge. Both are masters of their thing, Michael at a fast unbeatable career at the fastest level, LeBron at sustained excellence. I’ve been done with the GOAT debates since Kobe passed, I’ve learned to just appreciate the greatness we get to watch live while it’s happening instead of fighting and reducing one side or the other.
@@SoDakZak well said brother
it's the music for me
Hell of a video man, the research is always spot on
Can’t wait for another “sent into the shadow realm” video
Medical treatments are far more advanced now, which I think is a huge factor to LeBron lasting so long.
why is nobody else lasting as long? except the ones who are better scorers in nba history
It wouldn’t have mattered for jordan because he was a gambling addict
@@OG_Orly_OGJordan wouldn’t have because of his off the field habits
nah nah
jordan is just an alocholic dummy
Don’t think that to be true, since we have more injuries now than ever before. People missing constantly and players regress a lot earlier. LeBron is just a freak of nature. 40 years old, and he’s carrying Team USA and dominating the world. (KD kinda contesting that now he’s back, almost equal now.)
The best unheard of stat for Jordan is leading the league in scoring and making all defensive first team in the same season. He did that 9 times! For Bron taking that 07 cavs team to the finals is an underrated achievement. Jordan never took a bad team to the finals. Both players have done things the other hasn’t. Let’s all appreciate the greats while we still can.
J Mendez Magic took His team to the Finals His rookie yr, started at center, won final's MVP, Kareem didn't play cause He was hurt. And your acting like Lebron losing is impressive.
Jordan early in His career faced more top 50 legends than any current player. And when He faced them He dropped record numbers like 63pts vs The Celtics (The Champs) in 86'.
Lebron is only relevant cause the league is watered down.
@@SwaggerLikeUz u acting like magic carried the lakers through the whole playoffs by hisself with a roster full of bums. kareem in the playoffs before getting hurt was putting 32 pts 12 rebounds 3 asts along with 3 blocks. no one is saying lebron losing is impressive but are talking about how he brought a team full of make a wish kids to the finals. The argument about how jordan faced more top 50 players is ain’t really effective since none of these current players really faced any top 50 players. Not only that the 63 pts jordan dropped against the celtics ended up in a loss. now i’m not saying it’s not impressive but if you arguing about lebron’s 2007 run not being impressive since he loss in the finals, then you can say the same about the 63 pts which are both dumb. saying lebron is only relevant cause he plays in a “watered down league” is retarded. so going against the dynasty warriors dynasty spurs big 3 celtics bulls led by mvp d rose just to name a few is watered down. come on now pls tell me how the league is watered down.
Edit: forgot to say how he had to go against the orlando magic led by superstar dwight howard who was winning 3 straight dpoys and the detroit pistons who at the time were contenders
@@SwaggerLikeUz bro just hating at this point 😭, they both the goats. One dominated the most talented basketball era ever, the other won every final he was playing so stop being a child
@@SwaggerLikeUz imagine being this mad that someone complemented lebron.
Grow up bruh.
was a weak East.
This is the best GOAT debate video ever. And not just because I mostly agree. But I love the way you provide facts and analysis while praising both players because they are AMAZING
Let me guess. You agree with his opinion. What a shocker
Bro Look at the Video by DANGERProductions I like that one even better
@@jsgr5382 You’re silly fam. It’s almost like you didn’t actually read the comment
Lebron and Jordan are equal. It depends on their teammates. Lebrons value grows as his teammates are worse. Jordan is the opposite.
@@theotherview1716 they are not equal. Jordan is better he can fit in more systems. You can plug him into any situation and they will have some form of success and his production won’t fluctuate.
This mans whole youtube channel is just pure perfection. The amount of work, time, thought put into these videos is unbelievable.
This GOAT debate video is goated. Excellent work.
This was so well crafted I almost shed a tear. Good stuff Jxmy
Hold your tear yet. Try this one: th-cam.com/users/DANGERProductions2020
The best take on this debate I’ve seen. Absolutely crushing every single point. Thank you Jimmy!!!!!!!
I wish these videos would factor in an in-depth discussion about teammates, strength of era, coaching etc. factors outside of individual play/accolades because all of that goes into the success a player has, too. Unseen or not. I’m really glad you touched on it. I appreciate that.
All sports improve every decade.
I highly suggest you watch this video then, it's more in-depth then this hogwash tbh. th-cam.com/video/UwmAEKDhGsk/w-d-xo.html
He’s done videos on the most difficult championships, which correlates to the Era’s topic you mentioned.
If all of that is put into perspective then kobe is the greatest
Exactly, ultimately there are things that will forever haunt LeBron's GOAT debate regardless of what stats he finishes with.
1. His meltdown against Dallas.
2. Having a LOSING record in the finals - yes this matters and don't give me he faced a super team take since LeBron created multiple super teams and Harden did more against said super team. I mean thank God for the fake bubble championship which jmx has placed as one of the easiest championships of all time otherwise....
3. He ran and created multiple super teams to stack the deck.
4. LeBron's longevity is great but modern medicine/diet and rule changes and scheduling helped out with that a lot.
5. LeBron's scoring while great would not be as high without the 3 sec rule, just imagine if all his career a Gorbert or Giannis or Embiid could just wait in the paint as long as they want for LeBron to drive.
6. LeBron's offense might be great in year 19 but his defense is terrible, he is basically stat padding at this point.
7. LeBron is about to miss the playoffs with a super team he built AND with the affordance of a play in tournament when he is supposedly still in his prime and a top 10 player.
8. Free throw shooting and other holes/intangibles in is game like not having a killer instinct.
Pretty nice video that put different perspective into dissecting the measurement of defining goat. In my opinion you could have added two more. This would be the game itself, which has a big influence to longevity of the career also. And the rivals they had to face to be crowned as the goat. The numbers games also becomes more irrelevant, because the game of basketball changed in those generation and the style also challenge to score changed. Just my 2 cents. Keep up the great work!
"When does the longevity of Lebron's brilliance simply outmatch the slightly greater, but much shorter brilliance, of Michael?"
The perfect way to sum it all up, amazing vid as always jxmy
Never!
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@@karlhungus2590 stop lyin to ya self😁
Slightly better . You must not check Mj stats
It can't unfortunately. He's loss too much
This was an absolute masterpiece Jxmy. Over the years I’ve had countless GOAT debates with my friends, and things tend to get heated which leads to a more emotion based debate. This video broke down the argument in such a concise and articulate way, and I couldn’t agree with you more.
This channel is without a doubt, the best basketball channel on TH-cam. Jimmy goes into such detail and has such convincing arguments that he could probably convince all of us that Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT. Keep up the good work and keep making the best basketball videos on TH-cam!
Edit: jeez people are getting so mad over me complimenting someone, like calm down.
Well, he's called the white mamba for a reason
Factual statement.
You should check out legend of winning too, he’s pretty informative on basketball
You've never watched thinking basketball then.
I don't really get why he doesn't have more subs, he definitely deserves more.
Crazy; it’s been 2 years since this video and he’s still playing at the same level.
Man you are so good at this Jxmy, Top 5 talent on TH-cam hands down
same for you youre the goat of posting highlights
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Game recognize game. Goat x Goat shit right here.
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Top 5 is an exaggeration
Best analysis of the GOAT debate between these two legends that I have ever seen or heard. Loved the explanation of how you view "the best player" and "the greatest player" differently. And the usage of Chamberlain and Russell could not have been done better. First time watching your work. SUBSCRIBED.
if thats your first time then you're spoiled my friend. you found the best nba content there is period. just watch the videos
@@youngerudit2524 😵💫🥱🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Lebron is by far the GOAT.. Jordan played for a long ass time.. 18 or 19 years. He only made all NBA 11 times Jordan spent half of his career losing year after year after year in the very first round And wasn’t even making the all NBA list until he got Scottie pippen this guy is literally bringing up “advanced stats” like PER boban marjonovic has the highest PER of all time those advanced stats are useless You could be efficient in 10 minutes and have super high advanced stats Real stats matter Like points per game, assists per game, blocks, rebounds All that random shit like PER and VORP are for nerdy analytics guys. Analytics ruin the nba lol. They use like fractions and try to determine the best player by advanced metrics that aren’t even real life. Boban has the best advanced stats that exist And teams don’t even want him. Jordan played till he was 39. Lebrons 38. Jordan entered the league at 20 Lebron entered at 18. In Jordan’s era zone defense wasn’t even allowed Everyone had to be “man covered” one on one. Zone defense is what ALL teams use today and is far superior, guys like lebron and Giannis could score 59 a game back then with man defense. Zone defense became allowed after shaq Because the rules Jordan played with made shaq too OP Shaquille O’Neal made the NBA allow a bunch of other forms of defense. Because nobody could one on one stop Shaquille O’Neal And they’ve stayed ever since. Dudes like lebron, Giannis and shaq would have even better numbers than they do if they played with the same rules as Jordan, and wilt and magic and all those guys. That’s something nobody talks about. You had to man check. Then shaq came and there was literally no way to stop him so they changed the rules. The NBA changes the rules FOR Jordan to make it easier for him. And they changed the rules for shaq to make it harder for him. That’s why I think shaq is a top 4 player all time. Lebron would’ve been the same way. Unstoppable, Lebron is better than Jordan by far and has better stats and is just overall greater he’s the goat
@@youngerudit2524 Yeah bro I like what he's putting down here. And I will stay tuned in. Thanks.
@@Bandofthehawk00 just no... if all ppl on the planet has to choose wich player u want to watch... 99% would watch jordan again instead of lebron... thats a fact and thats the reason why he is the goat... in 100 years, every man, child, woman on the planet will know michael jordan... for sure. the influence that he have is untouchable and he was the best basketball player by far... longevity doesnt beat killer instinct and influence!
The difficulties of this GOAT debate is the fact that each player played in different eras with different rules and rule changes. I have to just appreciate each player for what they did in their individual eras
Plus mj retired early
This is such an easy way out of the GOAT debate, you're side-stepping it and not engaging with the topic at hand.
Just because the GOAT debate is difficult due to differences over different time period, doesn't mean it's impossible nor does it mean the debate is invalid.
@@aldrichemrys he’s right there were way different rules in Jordan’s era the lebrons era for example illegal defense this was a rule that made it strictly man to man there was only one defender in your way another person couldn’t leave his guy to help out that was illegal defense now imagine if lebron only had to blow pass one person
@@aldrichemrys skill set has changed the era of superteams have changed and rules are getting more different as it goes on
@@IHateStroads Exactly, hockey is really the only sport with an “undisputed” GOAT. Even then some believe it would be Mario Lemeiux for similar reasons. Shorter career, injuries, but shined very bright when they were there.
The goat debate obviously never ends. The way I circumvent this is "if we had a draft today including all of the greats as a rookie, assuming the same injury histories we've seen, who'd you take first?" Gets some interesting responses
I am not a huge basketball fan, it's crazy how this man makes me stare at the screen (without blinking) with nothing but a few charts and a couple of video highlights.
The production is great, don't get me wrong, but to pull me in like this... you're like a wizard, dude.
Your well constructed story telling and documentary-esque narration is out of this world.
Lol ok (without blinking)
@@MultiSneakerLover it was strangely worded. I will take the L
@@Tkokat don't worry about him, he's trying to gatekeep basketball lol. I also never cared about basketball, but Jimmy's videos and editing has me hookeddd
I had no idea what a masterpiece was until I saw this video. So well produced and explained, I really appreciated every second of it. My kind regards.
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@@asyetundetermined thanks, I'll watch it
As a foreigner , this mans use of basic english lexicon to convey information effortlessly for me to understand Amazes me. I love you man 🏁
Dude you’re English lexicon is better than most people who speak English as a first language.
@@Katagatamekiller "It appears that my poor grasp of the English language has resulted in me needing to hear simple and succinct statements regarding the GOAT debate for the sport of Basketball." - Foreigner with better English than native English speakers
@@KatagatamekillerExactly 😂
Yeah, I thought the same 👍🏼
@@777wrathand then says "sorry for my bad english"
After absolutely carrying team USA at age 39 to an Olympic gold medal and winning Olympic MVP, I really have to give it to Lebron being the GOAT. Do I think that Jordan had a higher peak? Slightly. Do I think that Jordan was more feared and revered in his prime? Yes. Do I think Jordan had a greater killer instinct? No doubt. In a complete re-draft of every player to ever touch a basketball, I would still take Michael Jordan with the first pick. But can I also concede the fact that Lebron's greatness probably surpasses Jordan? Yes.
I cannot get over how good your videos are. It's so consistent, I know that every single moment I spend watching your videos is a well spent one. I love the fact-based videos, stats are truly king.
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no TH-camr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear matt
Couldn't of said it better. I truly enjoy these videos.
This was the best video I’ve seen ever. The work put into this is phenomenal and I really enjoyed every second of it.
I was genuinely sad when I looked down and saw there was only one minute left I wanted this to be a 40 min doc
@@KCJbomberFTW same
One of the best videos i've seen in TH-cam. Just an amazing work.
And you're the Goat when it comes on making Videos like this!
Hands down the best interpretation of the goat debate I’ve ever seen. You sir deserve to be a full time journalist covering whatever sport you choose. Kudos.
He's great doing this. Fk journalism
lol makes bank from these videos. what makes him not journalist at this point? lmao
Lol he's making 5x what he would make doing journalism
This video was fucking trash!! It added nothing to the overall debate/discussion. It was JUST as bad as the ESPN and Undisputed takes, everybody do yourself a favor and check out uncut hoops video th-cam.com/video/UwmAEKDhGsk/w-d-xo.html
Love how you can breakdown the nuances of the conversation in a simple manner, and even give relevant examples.
It’s very simple. Jordan was more clutch and a better scorer Lebron is a better at everything else and makes his teams better
A few additional things. When Jordan retired the first time the bulls still won 50 plus games without him and almost made the finals except for one bad call vs the Knicks
Meantime when Lebron left the cavs twice they went from 60 wins to 19 after he left. So he was Personally responsible for 40 more wins. Thts insane
Lebrons legacy is hurt with the spurs and mavs loss in the finals however the warrior team that won 70 games and Lebron beat is by far a much better team than any teams Jordan faced in the finals
In conclusion. For one game. U take Jordan. For a season u take Lebron and if u think Kobe is on the level of these two guys u should be banned from ever talking about basketball
The "accolades" of dpoy etc. Is a shit argument because those are popularity contests and LeBron has been snubbed on numerous occasions in order to protect Jordan's legacy its glaringly obvious 🤦♂️🤷♂️
@@pepironi992 I agree, Lebron played against the 2 best teams in NBA history... Spurs and Warriors, If Jordan faced a team even half as good as those two, his career wouldve been extremely diferent.
@@IHateStroads jordan wouldve won it a 6th and 7th time in 92 and 93 he led the league in scoring and steals but the media didn't want him to get it either so that point is gone
This video lacks nuance and context. U can't talk about who's the best when they played in different eras. Least U can do is compare their eras and the competition they faced to win rings. Lebron has clearly played in the most skilled era and faced some of the greatest NBA dynasties ever assembled. MJ won 10 scoring title in his era, scoring more than 30 ppg in his prime. Lebron has only 1, maybe 2 this season. That's how Jxmy presented his stats in this video. But it's apple to oranges: Would MJ win 10 scoring titles in an era with Harden, KD, Kobe, Steph ??? Would MJ win has many rings in an era with Kobe & Shaq? Spurs Dynasty? Warriors Dynasty ? Big 3 Celtics ? MJ had similar Dynasties when he came to the league but couldn't beat them: Bird's Celtics or Magic's Lakers until they got old. Also Jxmy shows a graphs of their stats where MJ has 15 seasons and Lebron 18 seasons, completely irrelevant and pointless since Lebron has played more season...? All this to bring longevity? Lebron will be the all time scoring leader in less seasons and less games AND less figure attempts than Kareem. This is the context you need to bring when u do comparisons. Otherwise u resume everything to numbers and it's meaningless; u can make ur first NBA finals win and retire with the best numbers to have the greatest numbers ever. Compare the players era, their talent, their competition AND the stats.
I don't understand why people measure players by longevity. Longevity doesn’t mean you have good skills, it just means you have a good lifestyle.
Yo aren't listening.
This video is one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen. The production value, the script, the editing, the content and argument itself is incredible. No debate that Jxmy is the GOAT of basketball youtube
You know Jimmy is good when his videos literally change the way people (including other TH-camrs) see basketball. Take your crown King Jimmy 👑
My fault
nah we love the game. jimmy just researches wat we wont take the time too. he doesnt change the way i see the game he just spits facts.
Get Jimmy’s jimmy out of your jaw bro goddamn😹 nigga said “ king jimmy “😹
@@dawgnationsickem You a real 1 man✌️
@@Willy72070 damm bru
THE BEST video I have ever watched concerning the GOAT debate. You cover every important aspect while remaining unbiased and accurate. Simply just amazing.
He ignored several important aspects.
This is the best Goat debate video where actual research was done
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I feel cause Micheal Jordan has Jordan brand people see him as more of a goat subconsciously
@@brandonyo5718 No, if you were around when he played you would realise he's the GOAT. The only one's who consider the failure that is Lebron James the GOAT are people who never existed when Jordan played. How a player who has only won 4 championships in 19 seasons can be considered even top 5 is hilarious
The way you make videos is poetic😢❤❤
Love IT!!!!!
Keep it up❤
I have no idea how you aren’t on a major sports network. Your work is so consistent and well put together.
Thats why he isn’t.
@@chickenwing43 😭 you're not wrong
Well for starters i doubt ESPN would hire a guy to do 15 minutes of goat debate. I doubt they'd hire a guy to do 15 SECONDS of goat debate. Just yell out lebron's the goat for 30 seconds then go to commercial
@@212mochaman bro every day they dedicate 5 to 10 mins debating the goat. what espn are you watching???
@@theconman5540 I'm not. Lesson learnt
There are no words for this production. It feels like watching a quality documentary. I wonder how amazing would it be if you make an hour long documentary of any topic. Goosebumps. Great job bro! And thanks for these awesome vids!
You also have to consider that our perception of greatness has many other factors such as impact on our culture. This is why Kobe is considered a GOAT contender. Watching him as a kid carry your team in that signature hero playstyle (clutch tough bucket getter) and then hearing about his sudden death makes him like a martyr, his influence is legendary enough for him to be GOATED despite the actual basketball data. Some players are greater than the game.
Another great example is Yao Ming. This guy is a god in Asia. And I'm sure all of Greece loves Giannis.
Greatness is an individualized experience based on perception and worldview.
As jxmy said, it's a matter of best player and best legacy.
You can also look at like this: Who do I want on my team vs Who will still be remembered 1000 years from now? Two very different questions, although you can definitely say the same one player can be both.
Agreed. Kobe has no real GOAT case but his death has skyrocketed his legacy to the point where ignorance has made people believe he is. No disrespect to him though. 🐍
Facts and having a well thought out debate online with stranger is almost non existent so the nuance makes even stating a stance contentious to say the least unfortunately
kobe is the goat, period
If lebron wins another chip it will be a 50/50 on the Jordan lebron debate, but that’s if he wins again
This is t he truest comment I’ve ever seen
you should make an updated version of this
This is without a shadow of a doubt the GOAT video on TH-cam made on the nba goat debate! Take a bow brother, you couldn’t have made a better video!
I love your detailed analysis of the goat debate! This is statistically the best I have seen/heard! Great job!
Very true. So many people take a super casual approach and just nitpick stuff to back up their guy. This was a very objective breakdown.
He left out so many factors. Quality of opponents. Health of teammates and opponents, coaching. This was avg at best
@@jsgr5382 then you do better
@@gaoshanr If I knew how to make videos I would make a better video. Still waiting for a video that talks about MJ teammates health vs lebrons teammates health. MJ coaching vs lebrons coaching. The fact the Knicks (and Pacers) were so overated and basically the only challenge in the east and people talk about LeBrons east but mjs was worse. The fact MJ played in a man to man , no zone , illegal defence era which anyone who knows basketball is much much easier to score and suited MJ talents as a slasher. The fact MJ's era avg the most free throws ever and you couldn't breathe on MJ. LeBron gets the Shaq treatment cause he's too strong. He didn't mention the many other analytics categories that lebron leads over mj. Took only the basic ones that favour MJ. The fact the 90's era the bulls dominated cane after 2 expansion eras with all the super teams gone. LeBron went through super teamadter super team, literally one after another. In their prime. The fact MJ never guards the best players , isn't responsible for playmaking or rebounding. All he had to was score.
Then there's the off the court stuff. MJ is a degenerate bum. LeBron is annoying but a saint compared to MJ. Just a far better human being. Things that should be mentioned. He left out all that and more and I didn't stop while typing this to even think. I'll bet I could think of many more things. This was biased cause he knows most of his audience or sheep like jordanites and he'll get clicks and praise
@williamgibson If you liked this one you should definitely look up LeBron Vs Jordan The GOAT debate Trust me that video is almost at 15 million view and is the best comparison anyone has ever seen. Funny story it's the only video on that channel lol
LeBron’s greatness is unquestionable. Having the privilege of watching Micheal Jordan growing up as well as LeBron more recently, there is an intangible difference between them. If Jordan’s competitors didn’t play to his level of intensity on any given night, their chances of winning were slim. His competitiveness and intensity demanded that not only his opponents, but also his teammates elevate their level of play or else it was his game. The outcome of the game would be determined by him. Nobody has ever been able to match that. Kobe was close and Lebron dominates in a different way. Again, it’s an intangible thing. Advanced metrics, data sets or statistics can’t quantify it.
Yeah he had that special aura. It's hard to quantify and I'm a big science and numbers guy. But there was something about him. You just couldn't bet against him.
I think that also contributed to his almost mythical status. We as humans love the supernatural, the non explainable, the mysterious and mythical.
Jordan somehow encapsulates all of that. Kobe was the only one who came close to that since then but he had too many human flaws and also as a player.
But since Kobe did came close to it his death felt so surreal. Because he also appeared larger than life.
LeBron is special but he just doesn't have that aura. He always looks and feels beatable somehow.
Part of what makes MJ the goat in my eyes was his character. People want to compare stats, attributes, athletic ability and championships. No one ever compares their character. Lebron self-proclaiming himself as the goat ends the debate real quick for me, personally.
Lebron the goat IMO Bc he can last so long and can still be a top 10-5 player
@@iliketurtles7782 MJ was top 10 in scoring and won 32 of the 60 games he played in when he was 38/39. He had kwame Brown and Ty Lue to work with that season. A much younger Kobe proved that's not an easy task. LeBron was 36/37 this season. MJ was also trending upward after starting slow from not playing professionally and entering the MVP race before getting hurt. After the slow start, he was averaging almost 30 before getting hurt. He was 9th in the league in scoring and climbing. His first year in Washington is overlooked because he started slow and got injured and he fell off the next year when he was 40. But for those 60 games he took a bad team to a winning record. So despite what Jimmy has no evidence for, there's actual proof he would've won on a bad team. Considering he actually did it... 2 years older than LeBron was this season at that.
@Zoo Keeper you don’t even think he’s top 10…
Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. Fought through adversity, improved himself to win, etc.
Lebron is the smartest basketball player of all time. He knows who to team up with to accomplish his goals, takes care of his body to accomplish those goals, etc.
Tim Duncan is the smartest basketball player of all time
Mj is the best basketball player of all time
Kobe is the most influential basketball players of all time
Lebron is the thrived best player of all time
@@Goofisawesome248curry is now most influential, previously it was AI
I really appreciate the work you put in on this video and for this debate. I feel you've settled the argument in a manner that is satisfying for the time being.
"The race to become the goat, has become a marathon." I agree
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Tbf how do we hold it against lebron for being so good for so long? Like shouldnt that contribute majorly to whos more great. Not really fair to criticize someone for not retiring after 13 years and not having 6 rings. Like you want them to just give up?
@@calebreeve4397 No.. if so then Kareem is the GOAT.
He just needs to pass Kareem tbh
@@ferchango6359 Kareem averaged 14 ppg in his 19th season lebron is averaging 30….
That was without a doubt one of the best basketball short films I've ever seen. Yes, films. This is the best take on a nuanced Goat debate that I've ever seen. Congrats, and thank you for this humble offering for basketball heads around the world.
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completely agree. a masterpiece
@@brandonbuller2471 naw mate that video was trash and added NOTHIN to the discussion. Go check out Uncut Hoops video, now that's a in-depth and a must watch tbh.
@@CreamPieSundays bruh just give it up bro
@@TheNegationist naw I can't mate, people need a real in-depth video. The maker shit on ESPN while giving the SAME EXACT talking points. At least UnCut hoops gives you a REAL IN-DEPTH video, this shit was under garbage.
Nice video, and somehow applies just as well today as two years ago. Having been able to watch the career of both players, I always had Jordan as my number one until recently. It was close though. For Jordan, it was the titles, competitiveness, the awesome peak during the early 90s and the absurd efficiency at the guard spot. For Bron, it was the longevity and sustained greatness, the ability to elevate each franchise he joined and to win a chip with each, and the versatility. Why have I changed my opinion? there's one main reason, and for me this is the tie-breaker...
Because of the rise of sports analytics, it has forced huge changes on the game recently. There has been two major changes to the game during LeBron's career that have forced him to adapt his game. The first was the move away from isolation towards pick-and-roll basketball, and the second was the 3-point and spacing era. LeBron has managed to adapt to both of these, in spite of coming into the league as an iso heavy player without great range. He became successul at pick-and-roll in Miami in particular, and now shoots the 3 at above league average. This wasn't natural adaptation of his game due to age, rule changes or just natual evolution, it was forced on him and the rest of the league in the course of a couple of years each time. Keep in mind these are same changes that killed the traditional center, and then forced "LeBron-lite" guys like Melo, Rudy Gay, Josh Smith, Blake Griffin, etc into irrelevance. The ability of LeBron to adjust and remain one of the top few players in the league is evidence of his greatness.
To compare, this would be the same as if teams' data guys in '91 said "what Malone and Stockton are doing now is the future of basketball and all teams need to do it", and then in '95, "Mike, your midrange game is inefficient. From now on, You need to only take 3s or shots at the rim". Either of these things alone, let alone both, would have changed the entire trajectory of Jordan's career. Could he have adapted? I think he could have, but that's irrelevant to the debate because he never had to... It's just another "what-if".
This was a beautifully made video with so many good points. The best GOAT debate video ever
Sorry, someone made a 30 minute video more in depth about this same type of stuff 4 years ago. MJ vs lebron goat debate so this reminded me of a copy and paste video honestly
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@@user-us2fq3mp5bthe issue is it was made 4 years ago
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For as well made as this video is he leaves out one of the most important metric in this debate and that is level of competition. Glaring mistake in my opinion - you can actually see the difference when you look at the footage. Anyone connected to sports, youth sports knows that coaching is constantly getting better, the pipeline for finding and developing young talent is getting better, and given the money and opportunity that goes along the NBA (credit to MJ for that) the talent, skills, and ability of each new generation of players just gets better and better. LeBron has had to play against much better competition. LeBron had had to continually develop his game and he has which is why his overall value and numbers have remained high, while MJ’s numbers declined. Michael was the ultimate competitor, but LeBron is the greatest player of all time. Think about this if you need more proof - how many times did MJ defend a Center? LeBron’s ability, even into his late thirties, to play all five positions, to guard any player on the court including Centers is not something MJ could do. Another important metric left out of this video and the GOAT debate IMHO. Loved MJ, but LeBron has surpassed him, and that is great for the game.
The question that fans should be asking is "Why is MJ the barometer for greatness?". This is a question that is rarely asked and should be explored more deeply, it goes waaaaayyyyy beyond the stats and accolades.
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theres a reason hes called black jesus, because he was like a demigod, i want ja morant to be that mythical as well but noone every exceeds mj, and he wasnt even trying to beat records by padding.
I think it’s because he was the first player who reached that magnitude. The new guy will be compared to the older guy.
But I get what you’re saying because the conversation is “how can LeBron reach MJ in [insert career accolade in here].”
MJ has the aura of a winner, he's got the kind of personality that only the likes of Maradona have. The kind of rare people that will never lose a final if they are put in that position they will make sure they win.
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Jimmy has a future in writing. This is one of my favorite videos on the channel as of late and probably the best goat debate video I’ve ever watched 👏🏻
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Too many assumptions. For example assuming the Bulls couldn't have won a 4th straight when he retired the first time after MJ finished those finals averaging 41ppg. Stick to the facts and not assuptions. You wanna see a great breakdown? Watch "Jordan vs Lebron, The Best GOAT Comparison". Strictly based on facts, not assumptions.
@@luisvergara6502 did you watch last dance ??
A future? Bro he's already doing it lol.
@@TheWancer Yes, what about it?
Bobby Knight said MJ was the best player he'd ever seen BEFORE he played an NBA game. Magic said there's Michael Jordan and then there's everybody else BEFORE MJ won a ring. Bird called MJ God BEFORE he reached the second round of the playoffs. When asked who he thought was the GOAT, Hakeem diplomatically gave the nod to MJ. The GOAT (like MJ, I don't personally favor that term) isn't about rings or stats, but it is about abilities, ESPECIALLY under pressure. If you have to run to form Superteams and STILL lose, you're disqualified from the debate! Breaking records (which were facilitated by running to play with other superstars in a soft era) doesn't help, ESPECIALLY if you don't win consistently.
Critics used to say MJ needed a ring before he could be considered the best, but now that LBJ can't catch MJ's ring count, rings were "reduced" to a "team accomplishment." Yet, the so-called self-proclaimed GOAT promised to achieve the goal of "more than eight rings," but he couldn't, so that's how that "sour grapes" narrative became needed.
Teams are made of individuals, and great individuals carry their teams to victory whenever needed. Remember when Pip played decoy and MJ had to practically beat Utah by himself to win Chicago's sixth ring? Meanwhile, LBJ cries for more help almost every single year. MJ made "team accomplishments" happen consistently.
If anything, LBJ's stats are Superteam accomplishments!
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BTW, what you guys call "skill" is basically nothing more than a laxity in calling violations now vs. previous eras! Even Jimmy Hightower, a HUGE LBJ guy, had to admit that in one of his videos.
“Oh, I say and I say it again. You’ve been had! Ya been took! Ya been hoodwinked! Bamboozled! Led astray! Run amok! This is what he does!”
The LBJ propaganda machine is diabolical! I used to fall for it, but LBJ NEVER failed? Nah, he never takes responsibility, which is weak, and is why he'll never be respected fully. When people called Magic "Tragic Johnson," he owned it and immediately won them back, and obviously played much better. LBJ never learned that lesson. Even MJ said he himself failed over and over again... but that's why he succeed. Unfortunately, LBJ still doesn't get it, lol!
In this soft era where violations are allowed far more than ever before, LBJ should be king, but unlike Steph, he has no dynasty. No worries. The LBJ propaganda machine is trying to revise what a dynasty is, knowing that Lebronites fall for anything no matter how illogical, lol!
Always love watching these videos to see how Jimmy uses the numbers to tell a story that everyone can watch and enjoy regardless of their opinion on any sort of topic, so much fun to watch and be a part of
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Would love to see a statistic approach with differences between their respective eras of playing. How difficult (by effort and technique) it was to be able to score each game with the defensive skilled opponents of their time. What could the stats say when you switch their eras?
Era doesn’t matter, better is better
I beleieve they won’t do it since it will clearly tell that MJ is superior in many ways. A content, like this, will make it boring.
The end of bench guy of the modern era would be a superstar in the Jordan era. The players are way way way way better now.
imagine this? Jordan stats started from 18 years old like lebrons? then didnt retire for 2 years and then didnt retire for a further 3 years he would have 8 more years added onto his carreer plus he lost a season due to injuries but he got injuried. so adding 8 more prime years to jordan and he would have won more championships more mvps more scoring titles. lebron would have nothing on him at all by 37 years old 19 years into his career. plus jordan played for the love of winning and lebrons is playing for all achievements and to be the goat and plays the most minutes in garbage time then any other player in history just because he wants to play against the worse players to get his stats up. comparing jordan with lebrons is like comparing traditional made spaghetti to tin spaghetti no comparision.
@@davo23452345 we can keep imaging fact of the matter is Jordan career is already over no point in contemplating what if
I'm not a Lebron fan but you can't deny how impressive has been for so long. Winning the championship with Cleveland is his greatest achievement. He's longevity is on another level. For those reason I can understand way people would have him as the GOAT.
Saying that. MJ is my pick for GOAT for so many reasons.
I can't consider a player to become a "GOAT" who can't shoot FT to tie or to win the ballgames for so many times.....
@@franciscohubahib540 u talkin abt MJ or Lebron? MJ free throw percentages are better than Hebron and Also mj rarely flopped for free throws. Hope ur not talking abt him
Gretzky imo is the only true GOAT of his sport, and now maybe Brady. I find basketball so hard to figure out who the goat is, there is so many players with insane skill levels. As for baseball, Ruth played 100 years ago, I don’t think he’s the greatest ever as players have gotten better and better, but I don’t know who.
@@jaycob1830 ?? Baseball?
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Getting into the finals and trying to win it is a TON of pressure and being being to accomplish that separates you from the rest of the NBA players.
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Man this is a really in-depth analysis on this debate. Never thought about the “longevity” side of things
Really? You never thought about that? That is a key factor in why Lebron is the goat in my opinion. He is the greatest pure basketball player of all time. Yes Jordan could score better, but that’s one piece of being a basketball player.
Bruh how
Bruh what
@@ZroBangerz what about defense though, you have to take that into account as well
@@Thomson07 lebron isnt bad on defense, if he wanted to he prolly could of got a couple of dpoys but towards the end of the miami stint he got lazy on d. jordan didnt have to guard the best player on the opposing team for all 6 of his rings lebron is normally always guarding the best opposing player. another argument for the defensive side of basketball is that the players are just getting better and harder to guard, theres not many people that find new ways to defend people but theres always new offensive moves and ways to look at offense popping up
I just have to say that the quality of your content is amazing.
Goes to show how effort creates outstanding results.
Personally I was someone closed to thinking that Lebron was close to Jordan in the GOAT debate but when someone explains the facts thoroughly like you did, you just have recognize the reality.
For me it just comes down to personal opinion and is nothing to fight about, we should just appreciate greatness.
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Bro that ending was so fire
Started watching the NBA as a kid 1993 (MJs first 3 peat). He’s my favorite player but when he retired in 2003, Lebron became my favorite. I’m privileged to have watched them both. I also invested on their cards, so in a way their greatness has brought me fortune too.
I LOVE the take bro... but Take AWAY all achievements who is the better PLAYER from a guy who loves both??
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If I’m tryna build a team to win, first player I’m grabbing out of NBA history is MJ
@@KobaniacMinded Both of them at their peak, and I’m betting on one of them to win me a game. I have to go with Jordan.
@@KallmeKnicK I have to agree.
@@KallmeKnicK Bro really said take away achievements like they don't meaning anything 😭. If that's the case, bro might as well have Harden over Kobe as a better SG and Westbrook over Magic as the better PG from strictly a production standpoint.
I'm legit tired of the debate. But this was an amazing breakdown. Actually made me care again 😂
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I like them both, they’ll always be at the top for me. Plumbers, Mickey Mouse ring, Soft, needed Pippen. I don’t care at this point, you can’t doubt they’re both the best at what they do
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I can’t make a decision, and haven’t been able to for years. I believe it’s best to have it all in front of you at the end (when James retires).
Side note, I’m Lebron’s age. I remember hearing about him in high school. I told buddies he’d be the GOAT.
He will never be considered the GOAT. Go ahead and move on from that.
@@andrewtodd9103 well he’s the goat so there’s a monkey wrench in your theory
@@100ovrbatmanbron7 you have to like your own comment to get some kind of approval because your argument is flawed. You dating something stupid like that goes to show how little you know about basketball.
you were pretty damn close. I’d say lebron is goat not off of rings. Lebron has faced many many amazing teams which Jordan never faced like the warriors, spurs, Celtics. Lebron also lost 4 finals based on things he can’t really do anything about (07, 15, 17, 18). In this case if he had a good team (07 and 18) and injuries (15) and if kd wasn’t a spineless pussy (17 and 18) he would’ve had 2 more finals at least and at most 4 more. Then people would say he’s the goat. 07 spurs series lebron had make a wish kids. It was amazing how he forced 2015 finals to 6. With Kyrie or hell even love he would’ve won. If kd didn’t go to golden state in 2016 lebron would’ve won in 2017 and 2018 since Kyrie wouldn’t have left.
Lebron is a really generational talent. Once in a lifetime. People say Giannis will be the GOAT. I’d say that’s bullshit. You have to see, MJ and LeBron are just once in a lifetime talents.
I always thought of MJ as Apollo, playing masterfully with speed and flying through the air with a sort of elegance. James is like a Titan, ruthless, unmovable and playing with a grip of power.
I agree. It's impossible to compare them for me because the way they play basketball is just so different. both are the goats
Jordan will forever be the greatest and the most influential and popular player of all time but we have to give lebron his respect he deserves for doing what he’s doing today at 37 it’s extremely impressive.
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Eventually there will come a player that surpasses jordan records are meant to be broken
Well said
Much respect to you Jimmy for touching on this subject with such an unbiased and informative approach. Keep on the good content brotha ❤
Unbiased? 😂
@@curtsiekert "😂", you mad asf lmao
He is biased towards LeBron James, only trying to be objective. This is not even a discussion.
LeBron is never the same level as Chamberlain, Russell, Bird, Erving. The reason for LeBron dominance is low level of competition and low quality of players in LeBron's time.
Thats why a lot of people stopped watching.
I am starting to watch again thanks to Jokic, Doncic and McClung. No defense no fun. LeBron was bad influence on people and bad for the game. Dominating the thin years.
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one of the worst arguments in the GOAT debate is "which era was better"
you have casuals invalidating Wilt's greatness just because he played in an era where "players didnt even know how to dribble" or oldheads saying that the NBA have gone soft.
although to some extent I agree to both of these statements... there is no way of telling which era was better BUT we can determine which players dominated in their RESPECTIVE ERAS.
you cant say that you are more successful than your Father just because at age 16 you had a smartphone and he had a walkie talkie.
the same analogy applies to sports. we shouldnt be comparing eras instead we should be comparing how great an athlete was in his own era.
MJ dominated the 90s so much that HOFs and teams that were just as good as the bulls ended up ringless.
this is actually a good take. remember JJ Redick said that if we drop Kyrie Irving to the 60s everybody will look at him as a wizard. Even Alex Caruso will look like one if you drop him in the 60s. In sports we build on what came before. LBJ benefited from seeing MJ, AI, Kobe and all the other greats before him play. Plus, he has the other benefits of the technology today, that's why he does what he does at 37. We can't compare eras, but we can compere athletes on HOW THEY DOMINATED THEIR ERA. Nobody ate when MJ was on the table. The same cannot be said for LBJ.
@@devacademe I get the argument for Russell and wilt a little more. It's hard to determine how great they actually were in their era due to only playing 11 other teams max and playing two teams in 5 game series for a maximum 10 game playoff. Kareem showed us he wasn't as untouchable as everyone thought when the NBA expanded from 16 teams.
@@gordonlove5121 well said. I still regard Wilt russell and Kareem as top 10 or 15 players, personally. But if I had to put them in order I'd be lost after the first two.
@@gordonlove5121 MJ prevented other dynasties from forming because he was the dynasty, twice, with 2 different rosters. Using his dominance against him is foolish, bias, and extremely flawed/backwards logic.
Its not about which eras was better, its about which opponents were better. The warriors are by far better than any of the teams jordan faced, and that took away four years of lebron potentially winning the chip which was mostly used against lebron in the rings count argument. And you can argue spurs was better than all the teams jordan played too.
He said da Bulls couldn't win another title, lol! 😂😂😂
I personally think you left one important thing out - He took the NBA global and the impact was insane. I am Australian and about the same age as MJ - We all knew about the great players at the time and used to get film but when MJ came onto the seen - in the moment he was breathtaking to watch - I have never felt that same way about any other player even though I thought there were many great players. He took the NBA International and was just as huge and his impact just as great outside the US -
I’m Australian and I hundred percent agree.
I discover a lot of people who still don’t know who Lebron James is.
On the other hand I’ve never met anyone who hasn’t heard of Michael Jordan.
@@TimAfterDinner it’s either cap or they genuinely don’t know nba or follow it even a little bit. When you talk about nba, you will almost always start the convo with mj and bron. People will almost always talk bout mj or bron. The two icons
@@TimAfterDinner Cap, I always met people who had no clue of who Micheal Jordan was.
@@forest7420 what’s cap mean? I only know it as short hand for Cappuccino.
All good, google has taught me it means bullshit. No cap from my comment, just based off my experience. When further questioned people they usually correctly guess Lebron has something to do with basketball, very few have no clue who he is. But it isn’t automatic how people I have met know Mj.
this has got to be the best basketball goat debate video ever. kudos man.
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Okay, this may be your TOP 1 video. Without hesitation. It has the quality of a professional documentary plus being fully engaging. Worth every second. Thank you!
Currently his 22nd season and still one of the best players on the planet lmao
As a Chicago native, this really hits a part of my heart that doesn’t really get touched. This opened my mind on the GOAT debate.
you are easily persuaded,.. 2 words.. six rings.. 3 more.. in a row.
@@xL3THALityx so you. Only care bout rings huh
@@xL3THALityx he lost in 1995
@@xL3THALityx I love seeing these comments. It means they're scared. Lebron is still in the NBA and Noone can doubt he is as good, if not better then he ever has been. Keep holding on MJ fans. But that's it...just hold on. It's not over til it's over.
@@animatedant Huh? You think he is still prime?
When highlighting the longevity as a factor of the goat debate, I feel it's also fair to introduce the impact of the difference in the era they played in. That introduces whole set of factors such as competition, physicality, technology, and various athlete resources. I think the 5% superiority states that best version of MJ will be better than the best version of LBJ. I think GOAT debate is more of personal preference rather than something you can discuss with metrics with absolute certainty. Only way to do that is to create a time machine and have them play each other in each respective NBA era.
Valid point.
But, if we are going to put the tech disadvantage into consideration in Jordan's favor, we'll also have to put stuff like the three point disadvantage in LeBron's favor.
Jordan, in all his greatness, never had to worry about motherf*ckers bringing to him on a nightly basis the rain of threes he brought to Clyde's Trailblazers for just one night.
So, indirectly, the tech argument actually compliments LeBron just as much as it favors Jordan: if we are saying LeBron has the advantage of better tech, facilities, etc. Then, we are also saying that his competition were superior to Jordan's - since they had the same advantage.
Now, to counter the threes advantage, we could say Jordan played in a far more physical era. And that's true.
But, then we must ask ourselves this:
In which era would LeBron (the freak of nature that he is - even more so than Mike) have fared better? A league that demands the most of his physicality and strength, or a league full of sharpshooting monsters with disgustingly sophisticated offensive power?
All of which comes back to your argument: this stuff is impossible to definitively decide without a time machine.
And I still think MJ is the GOAT...at least for now.
Agreed, but regardless, Lebron is the only player in the league that has shown the ability to do this so far. As much as technology can help, he is a freak of nature.
Also separate comment. Another factor that helps players today is that they can learn from the players before them. Imagine trying to shoot a basketball in the 50s before you ever saw someone do it the right way 😂. Today, the players have learned so much from being able to build off of previous generations. So yes, players today are inherently better, but relative to era the competition is basically the same since everyone has roughly the same advantages.
@@AFO_AnalyRics LeBron benefitted from the 3pt era too. He benefitted from a faster pace era. It's the reason why he accumulated stats faster than anyone else in the first place.
That's why for me, personally, longevity shouldn't be used as an argument ever. It should always be about the percentages to make it proportioned because in the end, it won't matter if LeBron put up all this numbers if he still can't win more rings, MVPs, and other important accolades than Jordan did in a short career.
The debate ended for me when LeBron gave up defense and wins to chase stats instead.
I still believe Lebron wouldn't be putting those points after having his body battered by teams who were willing to put his career at risk just to win a game.
The bulls were plagued by constant injuries caused in part by how unethical some of the teams in the 80's and 90's were.
And it wouldn't surprise me if Kevin Durant or Giannis ends up surpassing Lebron at the end of their careers again aided by how young the players get into the league and the overall longevity in the league and how the rules are right now.
Exactly, I typed up something about why lbj had the golden goose egg of a career, and how other all time players would benefit just as much or more, but yes, it is hard to compare these players from different eras.
The only way I see it is 3 eras. 50s-60s where russell is the goat, for just league domination and what he was for his team. The th 70s through 00s where MJ is the goat, he actually did all what he did in 13.5 seasons because he only played 18 games his 2nd season and 27 games when he came back from baseball. amazing. Then, the 2010s and beyond, we can have lebron, for the longevity of his health. avoiding major injuries. I thought about it being steph curry, based on his gravity, but in the end he wilts in the playoffs at times. Even though the era is easier time to score and lbj chooses to play mostly only offense, he is the goat of this era.
This really is the only way I can see it. In the end, the overall goat is still mj. MJ played both sides his entire career, consistently, even at 39, before his knee was taken.
Looking forward to 5 years from now when you do a 10 year anniversary of your first (goat) video. You could just make it an every 5 year discussion. Maybe someone else will be on the radar in 5. Either way, great video as always
U never know if giannis jokic or Joel will be in the discussion in 5-10 years
@@iliketurtles7782 Joel won’t be
@@StarsThen I said u never know
@@iliketurtles7782 but we kinda do
@@StarsThen why not? He's way more skilled unlike that fraud giannisattackyouranklessothaticanwinaneasyring.
I love the way this is analysed and put forth.
However i feel that the fact of physicality between eras is not pointed out here. MJ went through a more brutal physical-orientated style of play while Lebron did not go through that.
I agree that Lebron being able to sustain excellence and consistency at a high level is awe-inspiring, however, the difference in the physicality should contribute to the difference between their flames burning sharper and brighter, and longer but less brighter, respectively.
Bron played too long that we forgot he started playing in 2003. Dude played w players like Artest and Ben Wallace.
Was Bron’s era as physical as Jordan’s? Hell no. Did Bron go through that play style? Solid yes.
8:24 to 9:10 is the best way i've ever heard anyone explain the goat debate, and i 100% agree
Honestly I believe that there is no such thing as the GOAT just like jordan said. I believe there is a greatest player of their era because they competed against each other and there is clear results but its just that we have to consider a lot more when we compare all time players such us their era, style of play, competition, the events outside of basketball and so on. Which to me just a lot of what ifs which we cannot really truly say. Its just an endless debate. I do agree that it is interesting and fun to compare players and teams all time and its not really gonna end especially for die hard fans and it is the nature of sports but sometimes we are too focused in comparing them that we forget to appreciate greatness. We all have our opinions, reasons, favorites or personal bias with but in the end we should all just appreciate greatness for every era. Focus on the competition now and savor every moment of it as a basketball fan because we cant really say when does it end. Greatness inspires the next generation of players to be great. Just an opinion is all.
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Agree!
If you were alive to watch Jordan, he'd be the best player in today's era too.
Indeed
very wise words. good on you
Stats are great and all, but the intangibles are what breaks open the GOAT debate for me. The story former players tell about MJ are ridiculous in comparison to LeBron or other players. Being the GOAT is about what legend you leave behind. Just my thoughts.
Players are less likely to brag about LeBron when he’s still currently playing. He’ll still be averaging 20-6-6 when he’s 40 though
@@PHXNKVHXLIC people said that he’ll be retired by the time he’s 35. He could still be averaging 25/7/7 when he’s 40. We can never know
Part of what creates that perception is that Lebron is still playing and his legend is still being written. We can't have panels of former players telling stories about what it was like playing against Lebron, because the dude is still playing.
Nice PFP but jordan goat but lebron goat if he like this for 5 more seasons
The way Jordan commanded attention at the all star game was very telling... All players watching him and going off his ques... It's obvious
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This is a reminder that Lebron James has played his 1500th game in the regular season but has more 2-point FG made in fewer attempts than Michael Jordan, who only played 1072 games.
• 2-pt FG made LJ/MJ =
12474/11611
• 2-pt FG attempts LJ/MJ =
22475/22759
This is the best video that I’ve seen on this topic. It’s refreshing to listen to well-reasoned arguments based on facts and logic. I’ll always take that over chest-pounding emotional outbursts that are usually fueled by someone’s personal bias and lack of knowledge of the subject at hand.
I remember sometime in the Last Dance Mike had said that he wouldn't play until he had to crawl off the court. He said he would quit while he's still walking which I think definitely helps to your argument, Jimmy. Great vid
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Now consider that Jordan played his final game at the age of 40. Lebron just turned 37.
@@jvjjjvvv9157 after he retired multiple times. He’s played less seasons already, and still accomplished more
@@UprightCaucasoid in an expansion, man to man defense, non player mobility, less international game.
@@gd-lockc7618 Yep, also with the best team in the league with the best coach. The bulls literally almost made the finals without him. You can never say that about any team ever. Competition is not taken into account here: Jordan will ALWAYS be the goat according to the media. The more competition, the less likely you'll find players so above MJ in stats and accolades even if they are objectively better.
Finally someone who explains so clearly what I’ve always struggled to say. Thank you!
@Ludovic Breixo wtf is u on Lmfaooo bye
@Ludovic Breixo In playstyle he’s closer to Magic sure. In greatness he’s cleared magic and is way closer to Mike.
@Ludovic Breixo you're the casual being referred to in the video, congrats goofy
@Ludovic Breixo I really believe eras play a big role in Jordan legacy my opinion
@Ludovic Breixo I wanna be like Mike
Legacy is much more important.
MJ was known even in my country when it was hard to be known
I'm old enough to have watched the great Russell vs Chamberlain rivalry. As MJ has correctly said, comparing athletes who competed during different eras is ultimately pointless. However, as I look back, there seems to be one factor that hasn't been sufficiently addressed. . . Russell dominated all the competitors for far longer than anyone else has done in their respective eras. There were no metrics to analyze the phenomenon and the league was a fraction of what it has become, due at least partially to MJ's flashy on-court style combined with Nike's unprecedented marketing. I'm not by any means proposing that Bill Russell be recognized as The GOAT, but he was ONE of the GOATS.
Thank you for the insight, and I think most ppl recognize him as that for sure.
I agree with what you say. I think the flashy aspect of Jordan compared to Bill Russell could go against James too. His game was too awe-inspiring.
Absolutly. Russell, Kareem, Magic, MJ and LeBron are in my top 5 in no particular order. And I was born in 2000..
Bill is #3 in my GOAT list. MJ, Kareem and Bill.
LBJ is pretty darn amazing, trully a great, but he lacks the rings to breach top 3.
this take made me make a stank face, you have my respect. i used to put wilt above bill but...🤔
Alex Caruso vs Brian Scalabrine
The real GOAT debate
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@@franz4044 Bald Mamba vs White Mamba vs Red Mamba
Something interesting to note about longevity is: Lebron was the same age as mj when they won their last championships
Except lebron didn’t retire for 3 years and came into the nba way earlier so he played way more minutes lmao
Ugh. It's not ur fault @Vinsent Keefer. But I can already see where this is going
@@yahiakamel2747 not Lebron’s fault that he didn’t have a gambling addiction
@@yahiakamel2747 and how is that relevant to what he said?
Is your Russ picture ironic?
The GOAT conversation will always be an argument without an established criteria. It has to be agreed upon. Individual awards aren’t awarded accurately. MJ should have at least 5 more MVP’s & LeBron should have no less than 12. Steve Nash has more MVP’s than Shaq or Kobe. This is why it has to be agreed upon. Gasol won DPOY and didn’t even make All Defensive 1st Team. Both Wins & Losses belong to the entire team. Nobody argues Bill Russell being better than Jordan, because it’s obvious that MJ is better …right? Well… why is it such a double standard when LeBron is mentioned? Opinions carry no weight.
Seriously, I watched this video multiple times and the ending still gives me chills, its a work of art Jimmy.
what song is this 13:50
Jimmy the GOAT in this kind of creative work for sure