How Good Was Gary Payton REALLY?
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- An evaluation of the career and legacy of one of the great Point Guards of NBA history.
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Where do you rank Gary Payton among the greatest Point Guards ever? Who else needs a video in my “How Good” series?
Did you do clyde drexler
James harden
Nice video
Haven't done Clyde yet. Good suggestion. He definitely is getting put on my to do list
@@jonnyarnett nice
I don’t usually agree with Shaqs analyst opinions
But his constant arguing that GP was one of the greatest PGs of all time, I 100% agree
Amanda Rashad I always remembed him looking cold in minn drinking coffee
When I heard the Glove only missed 27 games his entire career due to injury I wanna give this video a BILLION LIKES if only
did you know ac green did not miss a single game in his career...
at one point he continued playing on a broken foot.
what a warrior of the game!!
5 steals on a avarage
And he missed his most which was 14 games his last season in the league and basically 20 of those games was last 3 years.. Missed only 2 games first 10 years n the league
What a player!!! He is way underrated!!!!
he is not underrated or overrated. GP is really good dumb
He played 1,335 games
He only missed 27 games
DAMN
he led the sonics far in just 93 + 96
Didn't call him the Glove for no reason
Glove!
Gary Payton was a legend. Dudes dad found and developed Jason Kidd, let that sink in. Two of the top 10 point guards ever we're taught by the same man, Mr. Mean. RIP Mr. Mean a molder of men.
Love this channel, thanks for all your great work.
Greatest defensive PG all time imo.. And offensively very underrated. Greatest lob thrower ever.. Greatest trash talker ever. Complete is definitely the right word
John Stockton is the greatest DEF PG of all time!!
Best lob thrower is Jason Kidd, no question about it. Definitely had some of the quickest hands ever though, GP could get up in ya, best defensive PG of all time though.
no defensively + overall oscar robertson is was + will be the #1 best point guard
Walt Frazier, Alvin Robertson and Gary Payton come to mind.
@@averyce2 nah gp was John stockton was sneaky but the glove could lock you up and give you hell
THE GLOVE IS BETTER THAN WESTBROOK. FIGHT ME.
There is no argument to be made. Anyone who doesn't just look at statlines but total impact on the game easily sees that.
Nothing to fight, you're right.
Westbrook has better stats, but that's it, just numbers, GP had a great impact on the court. Damn, even if he went without scoring he could give you 10+ assists, 2+steals, and shutting down the other team's best perimeter player
@@fedem8229 I remember KG telling a story about how when he and Kobe got in the league and they had defensive questions training for their first all star game, he basically pulled them off to the side and ran a whole defensive clinic for those guys. Westbrook fills out statlines in a statline system, but only GP was a PG teaching elite-level defensive tactics to all-time great SGs and PFs
Payton would have won the second he stepped on the floor due to his trash talk
Gary was great, I watched him for years. One of the best points ever. I still miss the Sonic's so bad that I can't watch the NBA.
Im always excited with the Bulls and Seattle Supersonics' Gary Payton, Detlef Schrempf and Hersey Hawkins(1998-2001) season.. Them were the two teams I loved. Gary was very good in defense as point guard... I am from Philippines
They were a great team. It was hilarious when Howard Schultz ran for president. It took about two minutes for Seattle to shut him down no matter how good the coffee was.
I can't watch the NBA either, I've tried, but until they get a new team it'll be impossible.
PAYTON WAS THE MAN! Nothing was better than going to a game, sitting up close and watching that man go to work on the court! The guy was called The Glove for a reason! And yes, his trash talking WAS EPIC! 😂 -Also another great reason to be as close to courtside as possible when watching him play! I think that was actually one of my favorite things about him! He was absolutely devastating with both his moves, AND his mouth! 🤣 Miss watching you play, Gary! I will be a lifelong fan! ❤
The most complete PG in the history of the game. Best defensive pg of all time, he was a MONSTER in the post where hecould score against taller players, shoot 3s, penetrate. Amazing, it was a bless to be old enough to see him playing.
Stockton to me was more complete
Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton were my favorite players in my teen years. Loved them
Always a hard worker
Eye opening. Per usual on this channel 👍👍
My all time farorite player.
got that glove love coming at ya 👌
Sonics4life 🏀
Shamefully underrated.
I hope Seattle can get their Sonics back.
Why? Seattle didnt value their team at all. Remember the kemp and baker trade? Kemp comes back and gets an audience of boo's
Kemp asked to be traded and there is always people who don't appreciate that, no matter how long a player has been there. But saying that SEA didn't value their team - what else makes you say that?
@@earlferguson3736 that's a stupid argument
@@Ivander85 After Gary left, the team really went to shit. And their roster changes didn't improve at all, either. Before they left, the organization was asking trying to get government funding to build a new stadium. I think people were pretty fed up with the whole thing at that point.
This is just my own personal speculation as a local and a huge fan of the early 90's team, mind you. I just remember feeling a lot of these things as they were happening.
and Key was renovated but then later told it wasn't adequate by Stern. Wasn't good enough for seating totals and current Arenas that are being played in. The Deal is the fan base was there and Key was known as one of the loudest places to play in the NBA! They only pushed the seating capacity because of Clay after the Sonic's were sold. Then they traded away key player's of the Team, lose interest for Sonic Fans and attendance number's , and to pad draft picks for OKC after Howard sold the Team. Grew up with the Sonic's. Remember watching the '78 and '79 finals against the Wizards. To say the Fan Base wasn't there is Bullshit!!! Was all about Stern and His buddy. Agree to some of what you shared also evbb.
no load management?
kawhi leonard has left the chat room.
I'm not a fan of load management since fans pay tickets to watch their idols play, but Kawhi wants to be in the best shape for the playoffs and maybe he's aware that he isn't a freak of nature like MJ/Kobe/LBJ. Kawhi deserves all the flak for his load management, but I guess it doesn't matter to him as long as he gets rings,
@@vanguardas9927 kawhi has a degenerative knee issue. If he plays back to backs consistently hes fucked. Its load management or his career is on the ropes. It's a real shame because if he was fully healthy i bet he could win an mvp or two.
@@samataryusuf3936 I honestly did not know that, I actually feel sorry for him now. Load management is indeed better than him ending up like DRose. I'm still a huge DRose fan til today.
@@vanguardas9927 same. I hate playing the what if so and so was healthy game. Loved prime rose as well.
@@samataryusuf3936 He loves the flashy plays to put on a show for the crowd, maybe that accelerated his injuries but was the main reason people loved him. I've been a Bulls fan since I was a kid (parents are 90s Bulls fans as well). So DRose getting injured was heartbreaking for me. I hope they can rebuild the franchise for the 2020-2030 era
Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp was my childhood. I miss my Sonics! Bring back the Sonics!
Same here. Miss those days!
Play with them on NBA Jam and you can kick some ass.
Oh wait...
Laker fan but can't agree more
90's in Seattle !!! The best!
Why?!.. Where is the Sonics franchise now?.. Im always excited with the Bulls and Seattle Supersonics' Gary Payton, Detlef Schrempf and Hersey Hawkins(1998-2001) season.. Them were the two teams I loved. Gary was very good in defense as point guard...Sorry, never watch NBA after 2003..I am from Philippines
So happy he won a ring with the 06 miami heat
As usual great work jonny.
Any noti I get from Jonny I click because he makes QUALITY content
Huge Gary Payton fan. Just loved the way he played the game. "Flat-out baller' is exactly right.
He's So Underrated
Payton To Kemp. The most exciting duo
The glove and the rain man. Kevin Calabria and Mychal Thompson. The best use of radio waves ever
Dude, you gotta do Bernard King next.
gary payton overall didn't = bernard king
@@youtuber3328 two very different kinds of players. Both terrific in their own way
@@BillyBob-ec5ox it's nice 2 meet u if we didn't meet already + it's all about the rankings because overall greatness/quality is the #1 overall main deciding factor meaning that the passing from gary payton DIDN'T equal the scoring from bernard king
ELITE!
Another great video for a truly forgotten great!
We need to give this man the credit he deserves. I'm starting to see GP make more appearances on sports talk these days, which is good.
I don't know who that 1 person who gave the Glove a thumbs down but you must be a soccer fan! Top 5 all time, the only poin gaurd to win Defensive Player of the year considering what John Stockton was doing at the same time is insane. To have the best defensive numbers on MJ in the finals puts him in a world all on his own and a couple inches it's more like 5 inches. I've still got my Kemp and Payton jerseys and I loved Detlef Schrempf he was a great fit for the wide open style of Payton and Kemp! George Karl got so much out of that team with Hersey Hawkins, Nate McMillan and don't forget the Lefty from North Carolina Big Sam Perkins who was picked 4th in 1984 right after teammate Michael Jordan and right before Charles Barkley! Thank God Sam Bowie was picked 2nd and he received all of the wtf talk in that draft because had he not Sam Perkins would have been the big bust with a couple Hall of fame players taken after him in Barkley and Stockton. But Payton was in the last of the great players before the internet and social media class. Had he been in today's game he would be in the MVP discussion every year and these younger fans don't understand that back in the 80s and 90s you saw regional games and unless you got lucky on certain nights during the season your.best chance to see the teams from the other side of the country was the playoffs because then it was nationally televised! But those college players who didn't play at power house schools were unheard of on draft night! Take John Stockton in the 84 draft when he was picked people laughed at the Jazz because nobody outside of the Northwest area had heard of him or Gonzaga! Except for 1 kid in Western Kentucky named Joseph Harris because his father was a personal family friend of the Stockton family and I went to school with him and he was a Stockton will be the beat point gaurd the NBA has ever seen and we laughed at him at first but it was he who got the last laugh because he turned out to be right and I did land a Stockton autographed rookie card when he went to the Jazz Summer league and got to work at the games for the Jazz and I have a video tape of John Stockton signing my card saying he shouldn't be doing it because I said he wouldn't be any good but since I was a friend of Joseph he would sign it for me! Sorry about the side story but I love to tell that story and I don't get the chance to often, lol! Gary Payton top 5 all time point gaurd!
You should upload the video. I'd love to see it. Nice story
Nice video jonny
If I got to choose any PG, current or retired, I would choose the Glove. He has ideal size (6 4), can guard the 1-3, and score/distribute on the offensive end. In today's game I think he would still dominate the position and would not step down from anyone.
Come on the Glove is great, no disrespect but any sane person would pick Magic over Gary Payton
A 6-4 PT guard that could post up a 4 or 5. Never forget that when ranking or rating. At 6-9 Magic could post as well. Nothing against Magic, I'd rate him the best 2 way PT Guard and Payton at 3 or 4. No other guard including MJ had all 82 opponets on for dinner on defense. Yeah, he was that good and better then Magic as a shutdown
@@marcustang8784 if you need defense at the point Magic isn’t your guy though. For instance say you’re assembling a team to beat another all time team, is Magic going to meaningfully slow down a Curry, Stockton, Zeke? Not likely. Magic is the GOAT point guard but there are valid reasons to take others over him from a game planning and team construction standpoint
Theirs also something else I want to add about the glove. In that 1996 series Gary didn’t start guarding Jordan until game 3 of the series. In those first three games where Payton wasn’t guarding Jordan, Jordan averaged 31 points like a normal Michael Jordan finals series. But then for the next three games of the series Mj averaged 23.7 points while shooting really inefficiently. That really shows how good Gary was. Great video btw
Another great video.
One of the greats
Stockton, Kidd and Payton were all great two-way PGs
He is so underateed
Greatest defensive point guard ever
#1 period!🤘
Gary payton is underrated
Bro that picture at the end with GP taunting Steph gave me chills!!🔥🔥🔥
Great Video...I loved the Sonics growing up and still own some of the Gloves Shoes. The Sonics had some great teams in the 90s but they definitely choked in a few series unfortunately...When the Sonics left, I just couldn't follow another team and basically stopped watching the NBA
Same here, I haven't watched a full game since the Sonic's left. I watched the second half of the Mavericks winning their championship cause Cuban voted no on the Sonic's move. That's the most I've watched since they left.
Phenomenal analysis.
He'd be on my all time starting pg.
Imagine a line up of
Gary payton
Michael Jordan
Kevin durant
Garnett
Olajuwon
GP is that guy. Mans gave opposing teams nightmares
My favorite point guard hands down.
I always always played Kemp and Payton on NBA Jam.
Boom-Shaka-Laka!!!
I was hoping that a video about the Glove would come out. Thanks.
I watched Gary since his Skyline high-school days.
I miss the Sonics so much. That era of basketball was so much better than today's product...
Great content, bro. A big smile from Brasil.
I’ve been watching basketball for many years. For my money. Magic Johnson and Gary Payton are the best point guards I’ve ever seen play the game.
And don't forget that us Seattle Supersonic fans HATE the OKC team! Also he played in the NBA finals with a strained calf.
Great video!
As this channel points out...The last year before Robinson the Spurs were 21-61. In his first year the Spurs had the greatest single season turnaround in NBA history. Their first year without him (due to injury) 20-62. If this doesn't say it all, I dont know what does.
The criticism of his 94-95 postseason performance is one of the greatest farces in NBA history. The Rockets beat the Spurs by spreading the floor with ridiculous 3 point shooting and by double and triple teaming Robinson. There was only so much he could do. Oh, and career head to head the Spurs and Robinson won 32 compared to 16 for Hakeem and the Rockets.
Robinson was the best big man Ive ever seen.
Thank you! This was meant for Robinsons page.
Very good...That is why he is the only DPOY PG to ever win the award...
Imagine Payton on Harden. What a dream✨✨✨
He wouldn't be able to lock Harden down but absolutely would lower his numbers significantly
Still harden would scored more than 30, even if he has to attempt 50 shoots. Harden is trash
Which era?
Depends on the defensive rules - 90s rules or sissy rules? :-)
lokotroko1 “Harden is trash but would put up 30+ on the greatest defensive guard ever” Make up your mind you rabid braindead hater
I LOVE YOUR VIDS (subscribed) (rockets fan)
Very quality videos. Much enjoyed. Can you please do one of Bernard King? Thank you
The man could shoot, finish at the rim, hit the three, nail clutch free throws, draw the foul, defend, trash talk, lob the ball and pass well, and even cross people up.... what more do you want from a point guard? Stockton, magic, Isaiah all get recognition but I honestly think that gp is the most complete player of all of them (though maybe not the best or most successful)
Wemby is better
Haven't watched the video yet, but he is arguably the greatest defensive PG of all time!!
@Tod Wilkinson Pippen is the standard in your list as a one on one defender. Jordan is the best help defender as he saved his energy for offense. The thing with Payton was that in his prime he was near guaranteed to lockdown his assignment and he can handle different kind of players because he was the biggest guy in the position he played. Which meant he was strong enough to handle guards/wings like Jordan. Kidd had the size too but was never known as an absolute on ball defender like Payton. Steal numbers aren't everything in the body of work as a perimeter defender. They come with the territory as an elite defender but in the cases like Pippen and Payton, there is visual/numerical evidence that their lock down efforts decreased the scoring efficiency/looks for their assignment.
the best defensive + overall point guard literally always has + will be oscar robertson
@Red HawK13 robertson faced players who were definitely elite including hal greer tom heinsohn john havlicek bob cousy + so on
GP was super dope. I'm from Seattle I saw it and it was the truth. You was gonna get them hands and hear his mouth. He backed up every word. The Glove! Now his son the Golden Glove is giving every opponent them hands, keeping defender's punch drunk.
I didn't like when MJ kinda disrespected him in the last dance... acted like he didn't do shit but really he did play well
Jordan has said, Gary Payton guarded him better than just about every other player
Arguably one of the best one on one perimeter defenders. He's big for a point guard, great length to try snag the ball away and you can't easily get him off since he's not a lightweight. His characteristic big mitts help too since he's always playing the ball handler up close. There have been shorter all around defenders who have come up in the league after Payton but none have put together an all around polished game like he has.
Loved payton and the sonics...he was such a fun player to watch
Loved the Sonics. Still bitter my team was stolen but GP is a top 50 all time player and top 5 point guard.
Kiel Maguire all Sonics should be bitter, the way our team was taken was compete BS. the NBA literally runs to save just every other team and their fanbases but Seattle and Vancouver’s. Helped Sac NO, Charlotte, even Phoenix helped keep or give them new ones(Charlotte), but Seattle naw we can’t do that 😡. Mane I miss the Sonics so much especially when Kevin Calabro is calling the game. Listened to the Sonics and T-Wolves from back in 04 at work today.
i somewhat like payton + he was elite but not A top 50 or B top 5 point
@@youtuber3328 if you dont value defense I guess you could argue that. Since it is half the game as the video says he is both of those.
@@kielmaguire5121 i see ur points but i defenitely value defense because i truly enjoy shotblocking + so on
@@hellunltd2071 i just saw this i see ur point + or points but ur 100 % wrong 4 multiple reason's
Heart big heart love this dude
GP was amazing! He had skills, however he would straight up maul opposing players. No joke!
He has to be in the discussion as the GOAT at Point Guard with Magic Johnson.
In my opinion he is the most creative and high IQ defender ever
Numbers wise and longevity at a high level stockton just edges him by numbers.
Im always excited with the Bulls and Seattle Supersonics' Gary Payton.. And Detlef Schremphf and Hersey Hawkins(1998-2001) season.. I love his moves
He always had to guard the best player on the floor too, while putting up those number??!! WOW!! He didn't miss games either.
This is one of those little facts that will get lost in history.
Its one thing to remember he was a defensive wiz. But people will forget he did it during the golden era, against legends.
Depends on what the coach wanted. I don't think he ever guarded Shaq. lol
That's the thing he was their leader offensively it's hard to be a shut down defender when you are the offense.
Best defensive point guard in my opinion.
🧤 The Glove 🧤
I remember and respect Gary Payton. Always will.
Pure beast
For me, Payton is probably the third or fourth greatest PG ever. I can only put Magic and Isiah ahead of him, and Isiah can be debatable. During his prime he was an offensive juggernaut as well as the best defensive PG ever.
please read 1 + or more of my posts
I love Payton, but I wouldn't put him ahead of Curry.
Damn dats like less den 2games a year over 17yrs missed!! On Town Bizz!!!
4:40 is a cool but sad picture at the same time. You see Gary stealing the ball from Stoudemire and on the bench behind them is Detlef Schrempf and Shawn Kemp wearing Blazer Uniforms.
Payton+Kemp= 90´s Dreamteam
nothing against the 90's sonics but they only went far in 93 + 96
And now as i watch gp2 in the warriors taking that glove slowly from his dad.
Lets not forget Gary wasn't on Jordan in the finals the first couple of games in the finals. Although he didn't stop him he contained him. Jordan's Average is skewed do to this.
One of the greatest defensive player and the greatest trash talker ever.
Came here after Jordan straight disrespected GP 😠
I don’t get it, people are so quick to say lebron didn’t get shut down by Kawhi in 2014 cuz he averaged 27, but when MJ only averages 27 y’all say GP locked mike ? No disrespect to anyone but I hate this double standard , can we just admit everyone had good finals runs
Dude averaged 21 8 & 5 with 2 stls.. shooting 50% for a decade. Literally top 5 PG ever. You can argue 3
I loved Gary Payton! Him and Shawn Kemp were awesome and created long lasting memories.
Gary Payton is a top 10 PG ever. Only ones I can easily put above him without a second thought are Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Steph Curry, Jason Kidd, and Isiah Thomas
many people forget that gp was like rondo in his early career
just imagine if the hawks never traded bill russell
Greatest defensive point guard in NBA history. Best trash talker ever! General of the most exciting team and duo in NBA history. Best lob passer ever. 2nd greatest point guard overall of all time second only to Magic Johnson but the most complete point guard EVER on offense and defense. I’d even go 1a Magic / 1b Payton. He was that great. In my opinion.
Gary wasn't guarding MJ at first and they could have potentially won that series if Karl didn't fuck it up.
Should be in the talk for the 2nd best PG ever, but people don’t value defense.
Dude pretty much just said this in the video after i typed this 🤣
One of the 5 best PGs ever. Honestly could be higher but NBA fans don't understand defense. I'd honestly go Magic, Steph, Payton
The Glove's trash talk alone would make anyone miss half of their shots.
Iam glad he got a championship ring
The G.O.A.T. Gary Payton that’s who he was
Keep that intro brother. Classic.