How Good Was Gary Payton REALLY?

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  • An evaluation of the career and legacy of one of the great Point Guards of NBA history.
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  • @jonnyarnett
    @jonnyarnett  4 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Where do you rank Gary Payton among the greatest Point Guards ever? Who else needs a video in my “How Good” series?

    • @anonymoususer2080
      @anonymoususer2080 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Did you do clyde drexler

    • @VFXPlug17
      @VFXPlug17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      James harden

    • @VFXPlug17
      @VFXPlug17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nice video

    • @jonnyarnett
      @jonnyarnett  4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Haven't done Clyde yet. Good suggestion. He definitely is getting put on my to do list

    • @anonymoususer2080
      @anonymoususer2080 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jonnyarnett nice

  • @ianosaurus27
    @ianosaurus27 4 ปีที่แล้ว +360

    When I heard the Glove only missed 27 games his entire career due to injury I wanna give this video a BILLION LIKES if only

    • @mike04574
      @mike04574 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      did you know ac green did not miss a single game in his career...

    • @joshrigtrup2729
      @joshrigtrup2729 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      at one point he continued playing on a broken foot.

    • @sybghostdog
      @sybghostdog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      what a warrior of the game!!

    • @troydixzon9771
      @troydixzon9771 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      5 steals on a avarage

    • @Bigedub101
      @Bigedub101 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And he missed his most which was 14 games his last season in the league and basically 20 of those games was last 3 years.. Missed only 2 games first 10 years n the league

  • @charleskim6711
    @charleskim6711 4 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    I don’t usually agree with Shaqs analyst opinions
    But his constant arguing that GP was one of the greatest PGs of all time, I 100% agree

    • @troydixzon9771
      @troydixzon9771 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amanda Rashad I always remembed him looking cold in minn drinking coffee

  • @grantrmoore
    @grantrmoore 4 ปีที่แล้ว +238

    Greatest defensive PG all time imo.. And offensively very underrated. Greatest lob thrower ever.. Greatest trash talker ever. Complete is definitely the right word

    • @averyce2
      @averyce2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      John Stockton is the greatest DEF PG of all time!!

    • @iwishyouwould6937
      @iwishyouwould6937 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Best lob thrower is Jason Kidd, no question about it. Definitely had some of the quickest hands ever though, GP could get up in ya, best defensive PG of all time though.

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      no defensively + overall oscar robertson is was + will be the #1 best point guard

    • @dontdoittoyoself6786
      @dontdoittoyoself6786 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Walt Frazier, Alvin Robertson and Gary Payton come to mind.

    • @ayoa3892
      @ayoa3892 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@averyce2 nah gp was John stockton was sneaky but the glove could lock you up and give you hell

  • @iiTray
    @iiTray 4 ปีที่แล้ว +423

    THE GLOVE IS BETTER THAN WESTBROOK. FIGHT ME.

    • @Werdiknight
      @Werdiknight 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

      There is no argument to be made. Anyone who doesn't just look at statlines but total impact on the game easily sees that.

    • @O_fata_simpla260
      @O_fata_simpla260 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      Nothing to fight, you're right.

    • @fedem8229
      @fedem8229 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Westbrook has better stats, but that's it, just numbers, GP had a great impact on the court. Damn, even if he went without scoring he could give you 10+ assists, 2+steals, and shutting down the other team's best perimeter player

    • @revolveroshawott3582
      @revolveroshawott3582 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@fedem8229 I remember KG telling a story about how when he and Kobe got in the league and they had defensive questions training for their first all star game, he basically pulled them off to the side and ran a whole defensive clinic for those guys. Westbrook fills out statlines in a statline system, but only GP was a PG teaching elite-level defensive tactics to all-time great SGs and PFs

    • @slimfingas904
      @slimfingas904 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Payton would have won the second he stepped on the floor due to his trash talk

  • @dumisatonyjohnson8145
    @dumisatonyjohnson8145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    He played 1,335 games
    He only missed 27 games
    DAMN

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      he led the sonics far in just 93 + 96

  • @iwishyouwould6937
    @iwishyouwould6937 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Gary Payton was a legend. Dudes dad found and developed Jason Kidd, let that sink in. Two of the top 10 point guards ever we're taught by the same man, Mr. Mean. RIP Mr. Mean a molder of men.

  • @sammysam2615
    @sammysam2615 4 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Didn't call him the Glove for no reason

  • @Ivander85
    @Ivander85 4 ปีที่แล้ว +294

    I hope Seattle can get their Sonics back.

    • @earlferguson3736
      @earlferguson3736 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why? Seattle didnt value their team at all. Remember the kemp and baker trade? Kemp comes back and gets an audience of boo's

    • @Ivander85
      @Ivander85 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Kemp asked to be traded and there is always people who don't appreciate that, no matter how long a player has been there. But saying that SEA didn't value their team - what else makes you say that?

    • @mike04574
      @mike04574 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@earlferguson3736 that's a stupid argument

    • @evbb
      @evbb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Ivander85 After Gary left, the team really went to shit. And their roster changes didn't improve at all, either. Before they left, the organization was asking trying to get government funding to build a new stadium. I think people were pretty fed up with the whole thing at that point.
      This is just my own personal speculation as a local and a huge fan of the early 90's team, mind you. I just remember feeling a lot of these things as they were happening.

    • @johnsmith1304
      @johnsmith1304 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      and Key was renovated but then later told it wasn't adequate by Stern. Wasn't good enough for seating totals and current Arenas that are being played in. The Deal is the fan base was there and Key was known as one of the loudest places to play in the NBA! They only pushed the seating capacity because of Clay after the Sonic's were sold. Then they traded away key player's of the Team, lose interest for Sonic Fans and attendance number's , and to pad draft picks for OKC after Howard sold the Team. Grew up with the Sonic's. Remember watching the '78 and '79 finals against the Wizards. To say the Fan Base wasn't there is Bullshit!!! Was all about Stern and His buddy. Agree to some of what you shared also evbb.

  • @sophies5640
    @sophies5640 4 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    What a player!!! He is way underrated!!!!

    • @zhawn4894
      @zhawn4894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      he is not underrated or overrated. GP is really good dumb

  • @markzylstra2947
    @markzylstra2947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp was my childhood. I miss my Sonics! Bring back the Sonics!

    • @ktapreswreckd921v9
      @ktapreswreckd921v9 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same here. Miss those days!

    • @chaosgreyblood
      @chaosgreyblood 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Play with them on NBA Jam and you can kick some ass.
      Oh wait...

    • @andyryooable
      @andyryooable 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Laker fan but can't agree more

    • @DrRish-wx3wf
      @DrRish-wx3wf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      90's in Seattle !!! The best!

    • @thedemigoddess333
      @thedemigoddess333 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why?!.. Where is the Sonics franchise now?.. Im always excited with the Bulls and Seattle Supersonics' Gary Payton, Detlef Schrempf and Hersey Hawkins(1998-2001) season.. Them were the two teams I loved. Gary was very good in defense as point guard...Sorry, never watch NBA after 2003..I am from Philippines

  • @TerryT0114
    @TerryT0114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Gary was great, I watched him for years. One of the best points ever. I still miss the Sonic's so bad that I can't watch the NBA.

    • @thedemigoddess333
      @thedemigoddess333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Im always excited with the Bulls and Seattle Supersonics' Gary Payton, Detlef Schrempf and Hersey Hawkins(1998-2001) season.. Them were the two teams I loved. Gary was very good in defense as point guard... I am from Philippines

    • @kookokoe
      @kookokoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They were a great team. It was hilarious when Howard Schultz ran for president. It took about two minutes for Seattle to shut him down no matter how good the coffee was.

    • @cuchanu
      @cuchanu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I can't watch the NBA either, I've tried, but until they get a new team it'll be impossible.

  • @unknowntoall
    @unknowntoall 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    PAYTON WAS THE MAN! Nothing was better than going to a game, sitting up close and watching that man go to work on the court! The guy was called The Glove for a reason! And yes, his trash talking WAS EPIC! 😂 -Also another great reason to be as close to courtside as possible when watching him play! I think that was actually one of my favorite things about him! He was absolutely devastating with both his moves, AND his mouth! 🤣 Miss watching you play, Gary! I will be a lifelong fan! ❤

  • @ilfusarrista1943
    @ilfusarrista1943 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The most complete PG in the history of the game. Best defensive pg of all time, he was a MONSTER in the post where hecould score against taller players, shoot 3s, penetrate. Amazing, it was a bless to be old enough to see him playing.

  • @ezsus3574
    @ezsus3574 4 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    no load management?
    kawhi leonard has left the chat room.

    • @vanguardas9927
      @vanguardas9927 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'm not a fan of load management since fans pay tickets to watch their idols play, but Kawhi wants to be in the best shape for the playoffs and maybe he's aware that he isn't a freak of nature like MJ/Kobe/LBJ. Kawhi deserves all the flak for his load management, but I guess it doesn't matter to him as long as he gets rings,

    • @samataryusuf3936
      @samataryusuf3936 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@vanguardas9927 kawhi has a degenerative knee issue. If he plays back to backs consistently hes fucked. Its load management or his career is on the ropes. It's a real shame because if he was fully healthy i bet he could win an mvp or two.

    • @vanguardas9927
      @vanguardas9927 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@samataryusuf3936 I honestly did not know that, I actually feel sorry for him now. Load management is indeed better than him ending up like DRose. I'm still a huge DRose fan til today.

    • @samataryusuf3936
      @samataryusuf3936 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@vanguardas9927 same. I hate playing the what if so and so was healthy game. Loved prime rose as well.

    • @vanguardas9927
      @vanguardas9927 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@samataryusuf3936 He loves the flashy plays to put on a show for the crowd, maybe that accelerated his injuries but was the main reason people loved him. I've been a Bulls fan since I was a kid (parents are 90s Bulls fans as well). So DRose getting injured was heartbreaking for me. I hope they can rebuild the franchise for the 2020-2030 era

  • @mcshatly1576
    @mcshatly1576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton were my favorite players in my teen years. Loved them

  • @pnutbutrncrackers
    @pnutbutrncrackers ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Huge Gary Payton fan. Just loved the way he played the game. "Flat-out baller' is exactly right.

  • @feroce82
    @feroce82 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Imagine Payton on Harden. What a dream✨✨✨

    • @randompalmtopgaming7541
      @randompalmtopgaming7541 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      He wouldn't be able to lock Harden down but absolutely would lower his numbers significantly

    • @lokotroko1
      @lokotroko1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Still harden would scored more than 30, even if he has to attempt 50 shoots. Harden is trash

    • @albooga
      @albooga 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Which era?

    • @Zett76
      @Zett76 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Depends on the defensive rules - 90s rules or sissy rules? :-)

    • @PastLifeVillian
      @PastLifeVillian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      lokotroko1 “Harden is trash but would put up 30+ on the greatest defensive guard ever” Make up your mind you rabid braindead hater

  • @CRXPhil
    @CRXPhil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Payton To Kemp. The most exciting duo

    • @kookokoe
      @kookokoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The glove and the rain man. Kevin Calabria and Mychal Thompson. The best use of radio waves ever

  • @thedeadlynose5127
    @thedeadlynose5127 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    My all time farorite player.
    got that glove love coming at ya 👌
    Sonics4life 🏀

  • @mwj9080
    @mwj9080 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Bro that picture at the end with GP taunting Steph gave me chills!!🔥🔥🔥

  • @andrewbradley5235
    @andrewbradley5235 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If I got to choose any PG, current or retired, I would choose the Glove. He has ideal size (6 4), can guard the 1-3, and score/distribute on the offensive end. In today's game I think he would still dominate the position and would not step down from anyone.

    • @marcustang8784
      @marcustang8784 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Come on the Glove is great, no disrespect but any sane person would pick Magic over Gary Payton

    • @crazyantny9161
      @crazyantny9161 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A 6-4 PT guard that could post up a 4 or 5. Never forget that when ranking or rating. At 6-9 Magic could post as well. Nothing against Magic, I'd rate him the best 2 way PT Guard and Payton at 3 or 4. No other guard including MJ had all 82 opponets on for dinner on defense. Yeah, he was that good and better then Magic as a shutdown

    • @cowardlydaug
      @cowardlydaug ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@marcustang8784 if you need defense at the point Magic isn’t your guy though. For instance say you’re assembling a team to beat another all time team, is Magic going to meaningfully slow down a Curry, Stockton, Zeke? Not likely. Magic is the GOAT point guard but there are valid reasons to take others over him from a game planning and team construction standpoint

  • @farrdawgjoker7087
    @farrdawgjoker7087 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I don't know who that 1 person who gave the Glove a thumbs down but you must be a soccer fan! Top 5 all time, the only poin gaurd to win Defensive Player of the year considering what John Stockton was doing at the same time is insane. To have the best defensive numbers on MJ in the finals puts him in a world all on his own and a couple inches it's more like 5 inches. I've still got my Kemp and Payton jerseys and I loved Detlef Schrempf he was a great fit for the wide open style of Payton and Kemp! George Karl got so much out of that team with Hersey Hawkins, Nate McMillan and don't forget the Lefty from North Carolina Big Sam Perkins who was picked 4th in 1984 right after teammate Michael Jordan and right before Charles Barkley! Thank God Sam Bowie was picked 2nd and he received all of the wtf talk in that draft because had he not Sam Perkins would have been the big bust with a couple Hall of fame players taken after him in Barkley and Stockton. But Payton was in the last of the great players before the internet and social media class. Had he been in today's game he would be in the MVP discussion every year and these younger fans don't understand that back in the 80s and 90s you saw regional games and unless you got lucky on certain nights during the season your.best chance to see the teams from the other side of the country was the playoffs because then it was nationally televised! But those college players who didn't play at power house schools were unheard of on draft night! Take John Stockton in the 84 draft when he was picked people laughed at the Jazz because nobody outside of the Northwest area had heard of him or Gonzaga! Except for 1 kid in Western Kentucky named Joseph Harris because his father was a personal family friend of the Stockton family and I went to school with him and he was a Stockton will be the beat point gaurd the NBA has ever seen and we laughed at him at first but it was he who got the last laugh because he turned out to be right and I did land a Stockton autographed rookie card when he went to the Jazz Summer league and got to work at the games for the Jazz and I have a video tape of John Stockton signing my card saying he shouldn't be doing it because I said he wouldn't be any good but since I was a friend of Joseph he would sign it for me! Sorry about the side story but I love to tell that story and I don't get the chance to often, lol! Gary Payton top 5 all time point gaurd!

    • @drdre4397
      @drdre4397 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should upload the video. I'd love to see it. Nice story

  • @steelbonnet8699
    @steelbonnet8699 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Dude, you gotta do Bernard King next.

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      gary payton overall didn't = bernard king

    • @BillyBob-ec5ox
      @BillyBob-ec5ox ปีที่แล้ว

      @@youtuber3328 two very different kinds of players. Both terrific in their own way

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BillyBob-ec5ox it's nice 2 meet u if we didn't meet already + it's all about the rankings because overall greatness/quality is the #1 overall main deciding factor meaning that the passing from gary payton DIDN'T equal the scoring from bernard king

  • @GabbyBabby-pp1lx
    @GabbyBabby-pp1lx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love this channel, thanks for all your great work.

  • @ka1nex37
    @ka1nex37 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Eye opening. Per usual on this channel 👍👍

  • @VFXPlug17
    @VFXPlug17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Any noti I get from Jonny I click because he makes QUALITY content

  • @t4d0W
    @t4d0W 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Arguably one of the best one on one perimeter defenders. He's big for a point guard, great length to try snag the ball away and you can't easily get him off since he's not a lightweight. His characteristic big mitts help too since he's always playing the ball handler up close. There have been shorter all around defenders who have come up in the league after Payton but none have put together an all around polished game like he has.

  • @blindguardian1979
    @blindguardian1979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Great Video...I loved the Sonics growing up and still own some of the Gloves Shoes. The Sonics had some great teams in the 90s but they definitely choked in a few series unfortunately...When the Sonics left, I just couldn't follow another team and basically stopped watching the NBA

    • @TerryT0114
      @TerryT0114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same here, I haven't watched a full game since the Sonic's left. I watched the second half of the Mavericks winning their championship cause Cuban voted no on the Sonic's move. That's the most I've watched since they left.

  • @scottyoung7852
    @scottyoung7852 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As usual great work jonny.

  • @thedemigoddess333
    @thedemigoddess333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Im always excited with the Bulls and Seattle Supersonics' Gary Payton.. And Detlef Schremphf and Hersey Hawkins(1998-2001) season.. I love his moves

  • @wayneenglish17
    @wayneenglish17 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Theirs also something else I want to add about the glove. In that 1996 series Gary didn’t start guarding Jordan until game 3 of the series. In those first three games where Payton wasn’t guarding Jordan, Jordan averaged 31 points like a normal Michael Jordan finals series. But then for the next three games of the series Mj averaged 23.7 points while shooting really inefficiently. That really shows how good Gary was. Great video btw

  • @assaultrifleDW4L
    @assaultrifleDW4L 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    He's So Underrated

  • @juj6022
    @juj6022 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I was hoping that a video about the Glove would come out. Thanks.

  • @angelcorniel2952
    @angelcorniel2952 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Another great video for a truly forgotten great!

    • @lionelkennedy1394
      @lionelkennedy1394 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We need to give this man the credit he deserves. I'm starting to see GP make more appearances on sports talk these days, which is good.

  • @armandodelossantos736
    @armandodelossantos736 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Haven't watched the video yet, but he is arguably the greatest defensive PG of all time!!

    • @t4d0W
      @t4d0W 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Tod Wilkinson Pippen is the standard in your list as a one on one defender. Jordan is the best help defender as he saved his energy for offense. The thing with Payton was that in his prime he was near guaranteed to lockdown his assignment and he can handle different kind of players because he was the biggest guy in the position he played. Which meant he was strong enough to handle guards/wings like Jordan. Kidd had the size too but was never known as an absolute on ball defender like Payton. Steal numbers aren't everything in the body of work as a perimeter defender. They come with the territory as an elite defender but in the cases like Pippen and Payton, there is visual/numerical evidence that their lock down efforts decreased the scoring efficiency/looks for their assignment.

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      the best defensive + overall point guard literally always has + will be oscar robertson

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Red HawK13 robertson faced players who were definitely elite including hal greer tom heinsohn john havlicek bob cousy + so on

  • @ValkyrieMagnus
    @ValkyrieMagnus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I loved Gary Payton! Him and Shawn Kemp were awesome and created long lasting memories.

  • @thinkfiend
    @thinkfiend 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Greatest defensive point guard ever

  • @lionelkennedy1394
    @lionelkennedy1394 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    He was outstanding! One of the greatest PGs to ever play. Definitely one of the greatest defenders. He's THE GLOVE, BABY!!

  • @louisvelez40
    @louisvelez40 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Greatest Defensive PG of all time, one of the game's greaest trash talkers. Great video and you have great content

  • @MrSiy28
    @MrSiy28 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite point guard hands down.

  • @republikadugave420
    @republikadugave420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved payton and the sonics...he was such a fun player to watch

  • @LATERZA00
    @LATERZA00 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content, bro. A big smile from Brasil.

  • @geraldslaughter1996
    @geraldslaughter1996 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video.

  • @VFXPlug17
    @VFXPlug17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice video jonny

  • @GABRIELA-ACEVEDO.
    @GABRIELA-ACEVEDO. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Glove one of best defensive players ever and in my top 7 point guards ever

    • @boblevieux
      @boblevieux 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @BOMBAATA Wilt Chamberlain 2K 20K Except 6'3 Sidney Moncrief in 83 & 84 ?

  • @primoxxl71
    @primoxxl71 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    GP was amazing! He had skills, however he would straight up maul opposing players. No joke!

  • @kmlives
    @kmlives 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very quality videos. Much enjoyed. Can you please do one of Bernard King? Thank you

  • @lionelkennedy1394
    @lionelkennedy1394 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    He always had to guard the best player on the floor too, while putting up those number??!! WOW!! He didn't miss games either.

    • @nizloc4118
      @nizloc4118 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is one of those little facts that will get lost in history.
      Its one thing to remember he was a defensive wiz. But people will forget he did it during the golden era, against legends.

    • @jp3813
      @jp3813 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Depends on what the coach wanted. I don't think he ever guarded Shaq. lol

    • @zeaferjones1404
      @zeaferjones1404 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's the thing he was their leader offensively it's hard to be a shut down defender when you are the offense.

  • @kielmaguire5121
    @kielmaguire5121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Loved the Sonics. Still bitter my team was stolen but GP is a top 50 all time player and top 5 point guard.

    • @DJDUALLY14
      @DJDUALLY14 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Kiel Maguire all Sonics should be bitter, the way our team was taken was compete BS. the NBA literally runs to save just every other team and their fanbases but Seattle and Vancouver’s. Helped Sac NO, Charlotte, even Phoenix helped keep or give them new ones(Charlotte), but Seattle naw we can’t do that 😡. Mane I miss the Sonics so much especially when Kevin Calabro is calling the game. Listened to the Sonics and T-Wolves from back in 04 at work today.

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      i somewhat like payton + he was elite but not A top 50 or B top 5 point

    • @kielmaguire5121
      @kielmaguire5121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@youtuber3328 if you dont value defense I guess you could argue that. Since it is half the game as the video says he is both of those.

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kielmaguire5121 i see ur points but i defenitely value defense because i truly enjoy shotblocking + so on

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hellunltd2071 i just saw this i see ur point + or points but ur 100 % wrong 4 multiple reason's

  • @almcdaniel1703
    @almcdaniel1703 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always a hard worker

  • @damiane1015
    @damiane1015 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @peteeverett3810
    @peteeverett3810 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Glove does not get enough love. I agree with pretty much everything this man said. Nice composite photograph at the end, by the way, of Gary Payton and Steph Curry. It's obvious that picture isn't real, as Gary Payton retired before Steph Curry ever entered the league. It would have been a nice matchup, however.

  • @parkman8
    @parkman8 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phenomenal analysis.

  • @eburonson
    @eburonson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    GP is my favorite point guard of all time while Magic is my favorite player of all time. I miss hearing the revving engine and peel out sound when GP would finish a drive to the basket during SuperSonics home games!!!

  • @humphreyurban90
    @humphreyurban90 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was my favorite team during that era because of Gary & Kemp 💯🔥

  • @jch7807
    @jch7807 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember and respect Gary Payton. Always will.

  • @TheIkaraCult
    @TheIkaraCult 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember someone at my school (in the UK) turning up with his sneakers once, they looked like an artifact from the future! I stopped following basketball closely after about 99 so i didn't realise he'd stayed at such a high level for so long after that.

  • @evbb
    @evbb 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm from the Seattle area. I just wanted to say even though the Sonics left long ago, the early 90's team is fondly remembered for the amazing legacy they left behind. In fact, I'd say its the only Sonics we really choose to remember, lol.
    I can't say this is for sure why the team left, but by the time they did WA was pretty fed up with the organization. There was a long string of terrible team recruitment's, and the magic we all grew up on faded away. Then one day, after Seattle had finished two new stadiums, they decided they wanted their own 100 million dollar home. I think at that point people were fed up, and were not sorry to see them go.
    Despite that, I will always remember Gary Payton, Sean Kemp, and Detlef Schrempf tearing up the courts of my childhood. :D

  • @lorinatidc
    @lorinatidc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This holds true for almost all the videos done, that the players we honor as best in the league all played stellar offense AND recognized on the defensive end with greatness. If you aren't complete, you aren't anything. (Looking at you modern era.)They also all negate any "water down argument" on the greatest era ever is in that all these greats usually have the line in them, "at the wrong time due to the existence of the Bulls and MJ."

  • @sak2l156
    @sak2l156 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I LOVE YOUR VIDS (subscribed) (rockets fan)

  • @TerryT0114
    @TerryT0114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was and am a Seattle fan, Gary is my favorite number 1 of all time with Magic and Stockton tied for number 2. At point guard (number 1) for the people that don't know positions.

  • @BOSSSHAWN
    @BOSSSHAWN ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve been watching basketball for many years. For my money. Magic Johnson and Gary Payton are the best point guards I’ve ever seen play the game.

  • @akselmarazyan4613
    @akselmarazyan4613 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So happy he won a ring with the 06 miami heat

  • @fishhedz
    @fishhedz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss the Sonics so much. That era of basketball was so much better than today's product...

  • @jusone9802
    @jusone9802 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Shamefully underrated.

  • @footballtime5474
    @footballtime5474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I didn't like when MJ kinda disrespected him in the last dance... acted like he didn't do shit but really he did play well

    • @ACD1994
      @ACD1994 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jordan has said, Gary Payton guarded him better than just about every other player

  • @Ancheladamichelada
    @Ancheladamichelada 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seattle still loves GP! We miss the Sonics!

  • @bmdecker93
    @bmdecker93 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As this channel points out...The last year before Robinson the Spurs were 21-61. In his first year the Spurs had the greatest single season turnaround in NBA history. Their first year without him (due to injury) 20-62. If this doesn't say it all, I dont know what does.
    The criticism of his 94-95 postseason performance is one of the greatest farces in NBA history. The Rockets beat the Spurs by spreading the floor with ridiculous 3 point shooting and by double and triple teaming Robinson. There was only so much he could do. Oh, and career head to head the Spurs and Robinson won 32 compared to 16 for Hakeem and the Rockets.
    Robinson was the best big man Ive ever seen.

    • @bmdecker93
      @bmdecker93 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! This was meant for Robinsons page.

  • @joshrigtrup2729
    @joshrigtrup2729 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And don't forget that us Seattle Supersonic fans HATE the OKC team! Also he played in the NBA finals with a strained calf.

  • @staceylyons3772
    @staceylyons3772 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Heart big heart love this dude

  • @woo_shynen8805
    @woo_shynen8805 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He'd be on my all time starting pg.
    Imagine a line up of
    Gary payton
    Michael Jordan
    Kevin durant
    Garnett
    Olajuwon

  • @Bernman100
    @Bernman100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I grew up in Seattle watching GP almost every night. He is one of the greatest competitors in NBA history. I rank him top 5 pg’s of all time because he’s locking up whoever and when I say lock up I mean literally nothing. Steph, Kylie anybody like that would’ve had rough nights against GP.

  • @smokehousesyndicateseattle3998
    @smokehousesyndicateseattle3998 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    GP was super dope. I'm from Seattle I saw it and it was the truth. You was gonna get them hands and hear his mouth. He backed up every word. The Glove! Now his son the Golden Glove is giving every opponent them hands, keeping defender's punch drunk.

  • @charl_lee
    @charl_lee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    GP is that guy. Mans gave opposing teams nightmares

  • @ja8ames
    @ja8ames 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The 90s Sonics (like a number of other teams, to be fair) were really close to a couple of championships, in 93 and 96 at least. And they had that heartbreaker in 94 when they had the best record in the league but lost to the Nuggets in the first round of the playoffs. I think don't think that Payton and Kemp are remembered as well as they should be, compared to the other greats of the era.

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      why did they sweep the rockets in 96

  • @ngarci8040
    @ngarci8040 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely in my top 3 favorite PG’s of all time...!

  • @dancrews7769
    @dancrews7769 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    ELITE!

  • @timoback3000
    @timoback3000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    1 of my top 5 favorite players all-time. IMO definitely Top 10 if not Top 5 pg all-time

  • @cvplay69
    @cvplay69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always always played Kemp and Payton on NBA Jam.
    Boom-Shaka-Laka!!!

  • @suiken3149
    @suiken3149 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Stockton, Kidd and Payton were all great two-way PGs

  • @apa7611
    @apa7611 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember that year 95-96 SuperSonics. I think no Team could beat the Bulls that year they where unstoppable!
    I was long time Sonics Fan.

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      the 96 sonics played the bulls better than the 92 blazers + 98 jazz

  • @thepulsehiphop1014
    @thepulsehiphop1014 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep that intro brother. Classic.

  • @patrickjamison5940
    @patrickjamison5940 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I grew up and started watching basketball during Payton era. I have only seen old game footage of Walt but he has got to be considered one of the great defensive point guards as well as Mookie Blaylock, Pat Beverly, Mo Cheeks and Lindsey Hunter. Best maybe easily not sure.

  • @raurmanproductions3438
    @raurmanproductions3438 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:40 is a cool but sad picture at the same time. You see Gary stealing the ball from Stoudemire and on the bench behind them is Detlef Schrempf and Shawn Kemp wearing Blazer Uniforms.

  • @plbeckman
    @plbeckman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    His defense alone was legendary.

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      please read 1 + or more of my posts

  • @NoName-jb4tl
    @NoName-jb4tl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I Loved Bulls but felt in love with Payton/Kemp

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the 96 sonics played the bulls better than the 92 blazers + 98 jazz

  • @YurrNext
    @YurrNext 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    #1 period!🤘

  • @ByloBand
    @ByloBand 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mixed emotions. Definitely loved watching The Glove play, but seeing Sonics on a green uniform still hurts badly.

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      in life necessary things have to be done no matter how bad they emotionally hurt others + i'm speaking in general

  • @terencewinters2154
    @terencewinters2154 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Much love to the glove who had a lot of gus William's in his stride. If he had a flaw it was he didnt stretch the floor for 3s . Just about a dead heat with Stockton whose matchup games were a dogfight. Nobody in that time frame gave other points more difficulty running offense.

  • @marcoperez7330
    @marcoperez7330 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good...That is why he is the only DPOY PG to ever win the award...

  • @alexandercoffman8319
    @alexandercoffman8319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An All-Times great player and a distant relative of mine too, for real no lie.

  • @francescocasth8418
    @francescocasth8418 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always enjoy watch the 90s Sonics , Payton was the leader of the team and the best defensive PG of all time. I remember the serie when Sonics send to current champions Rockets to home in *96

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      why was that a 4-0 sweep

  • @GloriousKev
    @GloriousKev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I remember back when the debate was always whos the better PG GP or John Stockton. Most people took Stockton but I always felt GP was the better player and could have shown it more had Shawn Kemp not left Seattle when he did. They got Vin Baker for him who was a star sure but he ended up not being any where near as good as Kemp was in Seattle. I'm also from Seattle so I am slightly biased.

    • @thedeadlynose5127
      @thedeadlynose5127 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah Bro, vin Baker was good but not a patch on prime kemp. The rainman n glove were a feirce combo.
      Hated loosing kemp but then he went downhill n got fat. Remember fat kemp 😂

    • @thedeadlynose5127
      @thedeadlynose5127 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh yeah gp is my all time favourite player
      #Sonics4life

    • @GloriousKev
      @GloriousKev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thedeadlynose5127 Fat Kemp in Orlando was the worst

    • @joejett5084
      @joejett5084 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      His peak was way higher than Stockton but if you just look at career totals, people pick Stockton, lol

    • @joejett5084
      @joejett5084 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Tod Wilkinson you had to see the games and not just look at stats. Westbrook has averaged a triple double 3 seasons in a row but has never been better than curry.

  • @Westlyn80
    @Westlyn80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pure beast

  • @bigpharmasports9120
    @bigpharmasports9120 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The man could shoot, finish at the rim, hit the three, nail clutch free throws, draw the foul, defend, trash talk, lob the ball and pass well, and even cross people up.... what more do you want from a point guard? Stockton, magic, Isaiah all get recognition but I honestly think that gp is the most complete player of all of them (though maybe not the best or most successful)

    • @dkdebest
      @dkdebest ปีที่แล้ว

      Wemby is better

  • @JROLL84
    @JROLL84 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved the Glove and Kemp best duo ever

  • @elbowgang9715
    @elbowgang9715 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I got GP 6th at pg behind Magic, Zeke, Oscar, Stockton, and Steph.

    • @thomasdemay9805
      @thomasdemay9805 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      nice list. respect.

    • @youtuber3328
      @youtuber3328 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      the truth is about point guards #1 is was + will be oscar robertson #2 magic johnson #3 jerry west #4 pete maravich #5 bob cousy + #6 john havlicek

    • @federalcontraband
      @federalcontraband 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He’s better than isiah. Magic and Stockton id put ahead of him.. Oscar.. no.. he played when players only dribbled with one hand.. no way he’s in this conversation.

    • @lionelkennedy1394
      @lionelkennedy1394 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@youtuber3328 Jerry West was a Shooting Guard.

    • @lionelkennedy1394
      @lionelkennedy1394 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would put Gary Payton ahead of Stephen Curry. GP is 5th all-time.

  • @em4736
    @em4736 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    He was AMAZING

  • @OddJaxx900
    @OddJaxx900 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My all time favorite point God