It's your turn... How great the Jordan's competition in the 90s?? EDIT: Just to clarify, Some of the Pistons players age that were referenced in the video were a year off. Basketball Reference lists their age AT THE START of the 90-91 season, meaning if they had a birthday during the season, then they a year older than the age I listed them. I realize that now. Regardless, the point stays the same.
Great video my man how about you make a video comparing MJs competition to Lebroan competition to show all these fools how much harder it was for Jordan to win than Lebron!
Jordan didn’t play in a weak era, he made everyone on the court look weak compared to him and the Bulls. Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing and Clyde Drexler just to name a few would be top 10 players in the NBA today tbh.
lloganmusic that same jazz team also took down the Barkley, dresser, Olajuwon rockets!! Then the bulls dismantled the Jazz not once but twice!! I would’ve love to MJ vs Hakeem & Barkley tho
K. The 80s and 90s defensive era is way more difficult than ANY other era. Look at basketball during the new millennium and the 20 teens. Everything is 3s and dunks. 👎
@@brandonposey2724 i like how the 90s d allowed easy layups as the defense aimlessly wandered around not know where their guy was oh wait thats that new era d my mistake
Having lived near DC when Jordan played into his 40's, I payed close attention to what people seem to forget. He played in both eras, and when his knees weren't acting up, he was still better than most of the players in the league (did I mentioned he was 40) and was posting up stats that eclipse what players in their prime are doing today. He is the only player in history to score multiple 40+ point games in 3 different decades. And old man Jordan didn't just score 40+ pts once...he did it multiple times. And that's not even talking about his other stats, which he also put up impressive numbers for any age both offensively and even more impressively, defensively.
@Justin BLUMS true, but think about being 38-40, the MAIN man being 38-40 and still delivered. He was too good of a player. I never throw hate to anybody Bron still one of the greatest to ever play this sport, but i just don't see him putting 50 point performance at 38-40 or maybe he will who knows we'll have to wait.
The fact that a 38-39 year old player joined a sub 20 win team and past the all-star break had that team at 26-21 and in third place in the East conf all while averaging 25pts 6rebs and 5 ast 2 steals 1 block per game is insane. You don't know how many, not just young young fans but fans even in there 30's +, think that Jordan during the wizard years was a washed up player that barely scored 10 points a game. People really believe he was washed up. The man was avg 25 a game At 39. He was only getting better through the season. Getting back in basketball shape. Jordan was one of the mvp candidates at that point. Then that Damn meniscus tear. That's an injury that even after surgery lingers on for years. Plus the tendonitis and swelling and he still avgs 20 5 and 5 at age 40. To me those wizard years showed us even more...even more proof of how much better at basketball Jordan was than everyone else. 2001-03 were extremely underrated Jordan years. Imagine him if playing in 98-99 or 99-00
Also, Bulls lost the championship the two years Jordan wasn't playing. He came back and they did the three-peat again. Kinda shows who made the difference, don't you think?
@@chrisscott7913 team lost 3 less games with mj and jordam played 17 games in 94-95 and he droped 40 on the knicks in the playoffs....dont pretend he didn't play.
@@zoomdoof6107 They did win 55. That's a good effort but it didn't get the team members any championship rings. Jordan was that guy who made the difference. The chemistry between Jordan and Pippen has been awesome for sure but the data we have shows us only a Bulls team not becoming champions without Jordan. Now the question may be: "What if Pippen left instead of Jordan?" The answer to that, we'll never know for sure.
Onur Koray I’ve always had to remind people of this fact from time to time and I’m a real Lebron fan but I actually watched Jordan from beginning to end and as much as I tried to dislike him because he was so great and would destroy teams, I still know that he is the G.O.A.T...🤷🏿♂️
I wish I could like this video 100 times. Speaking as a Bulls fan, thank you so much for this video. It’s mind blowing watching people claim the 90s was a “weak era.” I remember the incredible talent from that time. And you laid out so many great points.
I think Jordan is easily the best and greatest player ever, but one thing that bugs me is that he never had to play a championship team. None of the teams he beat in the finals won a championship(91 Lakers don’t count, easily the worst team he faced). Everyone says the Suns, Blazers, Knicks, Sonics, and Jazz were incredible, but if they were so good then how come they couldn’t win in 94 or 95. Hakeem played with literally no all stars in either season(Drexler was a stud in the 95 playoffs though). I just wonder if he would have had the same success if the Jazz or Sonics or someone else had that Championship DNA because I’ve seen what that can do for a team, cough 2014 Spurs, and 2019 Warriors(Ik they lost, but for them to compete despite all the injuries is incredible)
Hersey Hawkins & Detlef Shrempf (I've forgot how to spell his name:( ) Those were all good teams back then, the 95/96 Sonics were really good. They barely got out of the conference finals but I think that was just a confidence thing. I was in the house to see Karl Malone miss his two free throws at the end, it was bedlam. So fun. Bulls that year went 87-13 with regular season and playoffs/finals combined. Truly dominate.
marjerle porter and hornacek could all play- porter was on all star teams. all of them took got their teams to the promised land- they just ran into you know who...
This video brought back a lot of memories. I was a Jazz fan, and seeing the Sonics, Suns, and trailblazer lineups reminded me of watching those teams edge out my Jazz in the years before Utah had two shots in the finals. All of those teams were loaded, and this video did a good job pointing out all the forgotten talent. As an avid Jazz fan in 97 and 98, it was both awe inspiring and heart breaking to watch Jordan do what he did. The "Flu" game in particular was absolutely incredible, though it broke my heart at the same time. I like Lebron, and am interested in seeing how his career winds up, but MJ will always be in a class all his own.
2015 hawks had four all stars on team at same time and still got swept to Cavs. Celtics had four superstars and lost to Heat. Warriors also had three all stars and lost to Cavs etc.
A era where over 50% of the players couldnt shoot shouldnt be saying they better cuz they hit eachother. Also leagues always had superteams, like what do you think the lakers been doing for the last 50 years
It's funny cause if lebron stayed on a Cleveland team that he got to the finals in epic fashion which got swept in the finals he would have 0 championships to speak of and everyone would be talking how he sucks cause he never won anything. Hes damned if he stays and hes damned if he leaves...same with Kevin durant. You are ultimately judged for winning at the end of your career and without a supporting cast no player or team has a shot. I'm sorry lebron didnt have another top 50 all time player drafted to his team and wasnt coached by arguably the goat coach and inherited the best all time rebounder and three point shooter % wise for the second three peat. Your guys arguments are so simple its mind blowing.
you forgot to mention the epic matchups with the NY Knicks against Starks, Mason, Ewing, Oakley, Mac Daniel, and the Pacers the eastern finals were almost like a final every time
@@mitomidou Jordan never beat the greatest until they were old and past their prime, Gtfoh Jordan not number one in nothing Rings, points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, do you understand, he not number in any NBA category, other than beating bums and past their prime superstars who use to wipe his ass on the court in their prime Gtfoh.
@@mitomidou I'll give Mahorn his due but no one else on that team is surviving a crash against LeBron full speed at 6'9 260 pounds xD. He'd have even more legendary And1's. This ain't 6'4" 190 pound Jordan.
@@andrewcook1246 coming to a realization in the past few days, think I made a mistake here. That being putting up a statement that removes Bron's agency to possibly adjust to the situation if he did play in that era. Not to sell MJ short, guy bulked up and combined power and finesse to start getting good in the paint no matter if he played against power or finesse. Could Bron have been able to do so as well? Possibly. Part of that statement I made there does want to see how Bron would have played in the hand-check, no blood no foul era of the late 80's - early 90's. However, he seemed averse to adding skills to his game. He added some, but nothing too substantial. My biggest criticism with LBJ is when adversity came, he seemed to fold. Wasn't always the case though now that I've looked back thanks to a great video done by SBN. Back in the 2000's Cavs days, the guy seemed fearless. Taking the last shot, carrying the team in scoring, sprinting down the floor to play D. What he lacked was a Pippen like teammate. He had good roleplayers and stars but he never had a teammate the magnitude of Pippen. Thing is, think he over-corrected and went the other way too much when he reached his prime since after that, now he is of the mindset of getting most of the best players on his side and in doing so, deferring to them when adversity hit. This would be overly long if I were to put in all my criticisms in comment form, might just record a commentary/video essay of it some time but I'll try to distill it down. I have been selling Bron too short given his abilities and accomplishments. That being said, I still put MJ and a lot of hall of famers over him. Bron is an amazing player with faults, much like all and while MJ's had his faults too, those faults seemingly did not manifest in his role as a basketball player and sadly, IMHO, Bron's faults do extend on the court.
I can't believe the things that modern players can get away with. Players like Harden step forward, backwards, multiple steps that we all know is illegal. Guys like Lebron drive and dunk through open lanes due to rules gone wild, all to get more offense. No hand check, please....
@@rustyduet9711 imagine lebron being able to hand check or any of the players today?. They are 15 lbs heavier, 2 years young and 1 inch shorter than the players in the 90s. You guys need to stop the hate, players are way more skilled today and the defensive rules make it extemely had to defend players this good
Payton was a defender. That’s it. Did he lock up Jordan? Was his defense so good that Jordan averaged any less then usual? No he didn’t. It was a sad finals and I watched it. Weak ass teams in a weak era
It’s beyond words on how great the 90’s were in the NBA. Gives me goosebumps. So disciplined. So determined to win and be great. Even guys you’ve never heard of were just UNBELIEVABLE players. I can easily say that I’m one of the lucky ones to growup in my teens and witness such amazing basketball. Good times🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
It's refreshing to see someone put up a video describing and detailing Jordan's achievements over his career. You are absolutely right to say that Jordan came up against some of the greatest teams in NBA history. People who weren't there are always quick to criticise, not knowing the type of extraordinary talent that graced the league during the time he played. It was NEVER EASY for Michael....yet he prevailed. That shows quality...and that type of quality shone amidst a league at the time LOADED with quality.
Great job. This generation is clueless and also the sports media tries to downplay Jordans competition. It's so disrespectful. Also Jordan played in a more phsical era.
The video is wrong. Jordan played against 8 Hall of Famers in his six finals appearances. Magic played against 31 in nine finals. Bird played against 19 HOFers in five finals. Dr J played against 13 HOFers in only 3 finals. The 1990's WERE weak.
@TheRealist 811 Talk about the full playoffs? OK Jordan faced 32 HOFers in all playoff series in the 90's. Magic faced 51 HOFers in all playoff series during the 80's. Bird faced 64 HOFers (yes you read that right) in the 80's Dr J faced 43 HOFers in the 80's. Again, this is not a criticism of Jordan. Im just using Bird, Magic, Jordan, and Julius as proxies to illustrate that the talent in the 80's was stronger. Jordan didn't choose his opponents.
@@bspoon2529, Ok. Lets examine the Conference playoffs alone then: Jordan saw 24 HOFers and 1 MVP during the Eastern Conference playoffs in the 90's. Magic Faced 20 HOFers and 3 MVP's who won a total of 6 MVP awards. Bird faced 45 HOFers in the east during the 80's and faced off with 5 MVP's totaling 11 total MVP awards. Dr. J faced 30 HOfers in the east during the 80's and saw 2 MVP's with a total of 4 MVP awards Jordan's conference competition wasn't anything special. Bear in mind that this is not a criticism of Jordan. Its just a comparison of the competition level between the 80's and 90's. Jordan had no control over who he played.
One thing Ive noticed comparing MJ to other super star today, MJ was fearless no matter what he can lift up his team in any crucial game, the spirit of MJ being with his team make his team believed they can dominate anyone who tried to stop them going to the NBA finals. That’s the reason why they never lost any NBA finals. “And I took that personally” -MJ
Thank YOU! That is whats missing. These ignorant clowns can spout certain stats that make the league seem better now and tougher now. We can debate that all we want. But Jordan's will to win...unmatched. I love to debate whether the 94 and 95 Rockets Championship teams would have lost to Jordan and the Bulls. I always end up in the same place. Yes, Hakeem was great, no doubt, one of the best ever...but you know who else falls in that category of "almost" champions. Drexler, Barkley, Kemp, Payton, Malone, Stockton. It is my (biased) opinion the Bulls would have won bc of Jordan's will to win. Maybe the Rockets would have won one...maybe lol. Just bc the Bulls would have been tired from 5 straight Finals appearances and 7 consecutive Conference championships,
@@warrioratthewall1969 I disagree in 1994. The rockets were one of the most complete teams out there and if the Bulls lost that more solidifies why the rockets having the hardest championship of all time to be won. And I don't think they'll win the next seasons and do the next three peat. Since competition got better during Jordan's first retirement. And they needed Dennis Rodman and other key pieces to rebuild a greater team. If jordan didn't retire, Horace grant would've stayed with the Bulls and no Dennis Rodman means that the team would've been worse and Jordan will have to resort to having to put great numbers on a title contender team but not one enough to compete with the likes of the jazz.
@@bearwithme9433 I respect your opinion...and respectfully disagree 🙂 we'll never know. Maybe Horace wouldve still not had his contract renewed even if Jordan stayed. Maybe they would've resigned him. But many ppl, including Michael Wilbon included feel the 1992 Bulls were the best team ever, not any of the 96,97,98 Bulls teams. But thats all debatable. I think if the Rockets could have beaten them, they would've in 1996. It was a miracle the Jazz even beat the Rockets tho, for sure.
@@warrioratthewall1969 I don't think anyone would leave a team that just won a championship unless it was trade. But yeah it's debatable. I'll say the second three peat was a more complete team than the first three peat. That's why more than often lists include Jordan's 1996 Bulls rather than the 1992 bulls. Since with the 72-10 and winning a championship would added more greatness than the 1992 bulls.
@@bearwithme9433 the Bulls didn't re-sign Horace. I still don't understand it but Horace didn't choose to leave, The Bulls didn't want to sign him again 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ they immediately went down hill. One could argue the 95 Bulls may have still been a contender, at least in the East having learned how to win without Jordan but mostly the same team other than that, but Krause let Horace go and basically blew up the team.
@Henry Safai it was though compared to these days. Even after the bad boy piston and celtics era which was long af there was Knicks, Pacers, Magic to name a few. The east was much much harder than the 00s and now both in the 80s and the 90s and the west was good too it wasn't as unbalanced.
@shirley miller The same knicks were not the ones getting destroyed by the spurs nad lakers. Those knicks were gone with Jordan and the Jazz beat the lakers spurs in playoffs etc then the jazz hung it up too.
1nf1ni7e very true the pacers made the finals finally in 2000 but lost to the lakers, the Knicks made the finals in 1999, met the spurs and the magic lost to the rockets in 1994-95 or so in the finals, do I need to say more?
@@er2bros328 2000 Pacers: Reggie Miller ( age 34 ), Mark Jackson ( age 34 ), Rik Smits ( age 34 ). Chris Mullin ( age 36 ). Anthonio Davis was no longer on the team. They were no longer in their Prime. *The fact that the old Pacers made it to the Finals in the 2000s and were able to win two games against the Lakers tells us how strong the Eastern Conference was in the 90s.* 1999 Knicks: It was a completely differenet team. Patrick Ewing was an old and injured player. Anthony Mason, Xavier McDaniel, Mark Jackson, Doc Rivers. All these players were not on the team.
The reason people say the era was weak is because the league added 6 teams and thinned the benches. The European players weren't good enough to fill the void for about 10 more years. This video ignores the reasons people have cited, and picks dumb reasons so he can easily defeat the arguments. Compare 80s roster depth to 90s roster depth and you can see how thin teams were spread. Stockton and Malone couldn't get out of the second round in the 80s. Those teams had All-Star supporting casts Mark Eaton, Jeff Malone, & Adrian Dantley. The 90s Jazz teams made the finals twice with Greg Ostertag & Bryan Russell as starters. This isn't a knock on Jordan- you play who you play, but when the Celtics are bringing Hall of Famers McHale and Walton off the bench, or the Lakers with All-Stars Michael Cooper, Bob McAdoo and Jamal Silk Wilkes coming off the bench and you compare that to teams who start Ostertag, David Benoit, Russell, Kevin Duckworth, Jerome Kersey, Terry Teagle you can see there's a huge discrepancy in talent and depth.
Athlete's today are infinitely greater today that's not me saying it watch the sports interviews of players from the 80s and 90s they say Jordan was the 1st superior athlete with great fundamentals and there were only a handful of athletes in the game let alone that also had a great skill set today that superior athlete is about 4 superior athletes on every team the number of taller players that could dribble and shoot is astronomical so u can sit there and believe the game has not evolved I guess you one of those dudes that believe Jordan could guard KD,Lebron,or Yannis when he couldn't guard Magic and pippen had to stick him and magic not even a great scorers so sad
@@titandmc8111 of course over time the athleticism improves it has since the beginning of sports. But that's not what the video was about. It wasn't about athletes it was about the quality of the opponents for the Era and quite frankly alot of these players today may be more physically gifted but they'd be knocked on their ass so much they wouldn't know what to do. And as far as the Jordan guarding Johnson. It wasn't that he couldn't guard him because Mike is one of the best defensive players of all time, no person with basketball knowledge would deny that. It was about pippen being a bit bigger and longer than Jordan not his inability to guard him. That was the luxury of having two of the best perimeter defenders of the Era. And yes Jordan would be able to guard a kobe.... Giannis and lebron would be a tough match up simply because of size. Just like kobe would have a hard time guarding lbj or giannis due to the size. Not saying he couldn't but logically why put a 6 ft 6 guy on a damn near 7 footer in giannis or on a 6 ft 9 in guy in lbj?
@@titandmc8111 false wrong information Jordan could guard magic in the 91 finals And Ofc he would be able to guard those player you mentioned Pippen only guarded magic for the most of game 2 Jordan still guarded him for the most of the finals In game 3 for example, Jordan held magic to 0-0-0 in OT after pippen fouled out Magic numbers went down in the finals compared to the first 3 rounds Rounds 1-3 22.9 ppg, 12.7 apg, 3.9 topg on 44% In the finals 18.6 ppg, 12.4 apg, 4.4 topg on 43% Magic had -4.3 ppg and + 0.5 topg compared to the first 3 rounds In 91 magic once became the only player to average 20 ppg -10 apg in an NBA finals with 21.8 ppg and 12.6 apg Stop spread shit if you don't know what you are talking i already told you yesterday on another post , MJ could keep up and dominate in any era Jordan haters are clueless and dumb no matter their age
@@MrFantastic23 As u are a little younger than me but old enough to know size matters of course Jordan was a great defender but he was a guard (yelling out loud)6"6 215 size mattered Rodman stuck malone not Jordan because he couldn't as for the guards or the 80s or 90s please weakest group of compared the guards that came later face it the guards after Jordan are far greater than guards of that time not saying greater than Jordan the 2000s boast greatest shooter,closes 2nd guard to jordan,3rd & 4th greatest 2 guard,the greatest small forward 2nd greatest small forward and 3rd greatest small fw please the 2000s have produced more of the greatest players ever so 80s90s golden please
@@titandmc8111 I think we're getting lost in the weeds here. The post wasn't saying anything about it being a better time. It was disproving the notion that it was weak. Which it wasn't. The point was that the teams Jordan faced were for the Era, and arguably overall, some of the best and in a few cases better than the Bulls. We can get into a debate about what era has/had the best players etc but as Bill Russell once said(not exact quote) don't get too wrapped up in comparing players from different era's because ghosts can't play.
You didn't even mention the Eatern conference teams of the era that he had to beat to get to the finals: the 97/98 Pacers, the Orlando Magic of 94/95, the Knicks of 91-94 and of course the Pistons
Exactly. You could make a case for the ECF being harder for the Bulls in the 90's than the Finals were. Especially those NY/Chicago series of the early to mid 90s. And you forgot Alonzo's Heat teams with Tim Hardaway as well.
@@melvynsngltn27 They were all 50+ win teams with more than 1 hall of famer what? It's not about the Hall of Fame, its about how the team works with each other and how good their offense/defense is. Take a look at the Lakers right now, they have 5 Hall of Famers. But they arent even making the playin 😂.
Only difference is Mj was the super team /dynasty !!! Case close 💯. Only players who ain’t never watch the NBA before Kobe would keep their mouth shut and agree to this . Lebron took 6 spoons , 4 trash bags and 2 water bottles to the finals several times , while Jordan needed pippen to get out the first round , also when mike got suspended for gambling and owing money to drug dealers the bulls still had a good record with out MJ let’s just say 3 game difference . We can’t act like this ain’t happen and yes Jordan was on another level but so it’s lebron . When people try to blemish LBJ the goat to big up MJ that’s when they argument go down south . Now LBJ still playing and he still got more time to do even More damage to MJ legacy he already passed him on everything else except for tittles . But since we talking tittles and that’s ya only argument like a jealous girlfriend who can’t take no for a answer than bill Russell the goat we can’t act like there’s ain’t one guy out there who won 11 rings out of 13 finals .. some about 11 that beats 6?🤔 last thing LBJ never got in trouble while being in the nba , MJ got in trouble several times and was supposed to get kicked out the league but some how they pamper him and change the rules to benefit MJ to elevate the league because if mj was playing now and did that bye bye mj 🤣🤣🤣 I’ll leave you girls alone to argue this one lol
@@EmbraceThePain Where's your proof that MJ was suspended? If you don't have any, then all you're doing is passing off speculation as fact and it damages your credibility. People keep talking about how LeBron keeps bringing trash teams to the Finals year after year but that's only been true maybe twice. The other times he's had hood teams around him, especially all four years in Miami. LeBron has not nor will he ever damage Jordan's legacy. Doesn't matter how much he adds to his overall stats, his time to surpass Jordan is done and gone. LeBron has choked in the playoffs before, and Jordan never did.
@@EmbraceThePain And y'all need to have a conference and figure out when basketball is and isn't a team game. Y'all love to say how it's 100% LeBron whenever his teams have any success, but when they fail it's because he had no help. Y'all make it seem like basketball is an individual sport up until the Finals, but that winning it all is a team effort. Y'all need to get your shit together for real. Too many contradictions.
Damn nobody else here !!? I’ll save my argument for when others come in here . I don’t like to bring out truth and facts to a person that’s dickmatize by MJ ...you’ll never win no matter what . But that’s your opinion , the proofs are all there but , it’s on you to let your common sense work 😅🤷🏻♂️
@@EmbraceThePain All you're gonna do is compare stats with no context, compare their teammates, then trash Jordan's era while elevating the era LeBron plays in. That's all you guys can do. I've heard everything you guys can possibly say and it makes no difference. I've watched both of them a lot and I'd go with Jordan 11 times outta 10. LeBron has folded more than once when it mattered, and Jordan never did. So yes let's agree to disagree because you're never gonna change my mind. The only person that can change my mind is LeBron himself since he does still have a chance to claim the GOAT title, although it is gonna be extraordinarily difficult.
Jordan Critics - Dennis Rodman was too old on the Pistons in 1991. That was why Pistons lost to the Bulls. Rodman was 29 years old in 1991 and just won back to back DPOY. Jordan Critics - Jordan had a super team with Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman. Rodman from 1996 to 1998 was 34 to 36 years old and even played on the bench in the 1998 season. Logic - So Rodman was too old in 1991 as a 29 year old DPOY, but somehow found the "fountain of youth" in 1998 as a 36 year old bench player? LMAO this is the ultimate proof that some Jordan Critics are delusional!!!
Shannon Sharpe spreads these lies to make a funny show. He also says Magic was old... lmao Magic was a MVP candidate that 90/91 season and in the finals was putting up better numbers then he was on average in his career. One game he hat 20 assists.
@@alexandrossimitzis146 jordan fans literally doing the same thing nowadays, bro had to make a whole video do try to debunk something thats not even a myth. Lebrons era of ball cant even be compaired to this era of ball. so many players har roster spots and are now hof strictly off defending players with weak bags, bigs were post made and defending post moves as a tall 7 foot center isnt hard at all. So many players are all time greats in this weak era simply off size or weak skillsets compaired to todays era.
@@unforgettable8160not true, Centers like Hakeem Olajuwon, Pat Ewing, D rob had very accurate Weapons outside of Post. Steph curry has made 3 more valuable so if you put them into todays Era. Someone like Hakeem will get a lot more points since they will empathize the 3 which he was shockingly a bit decent at. Also, Not as dangerous in the mid range in modern era & no hand checking. Someone built Like KD with a jumper is essentially unstoppable. Same would apply for Hakeem.
I clicked like on your comment, although I would disagree with Olajuwon being largely forgotten, at least not with basketball fans. Hakeem, Bird and Jordan have the best highlights IMO.
@@iggyblitz8739 Exactly, who the hell would? Only reason for one to forget them due to them being overshadowed. Even then it would have apply to Drexler thanks to certain someone in the same position he played. No one however forget who Olajuwon was.
@@ronmexico8383 Keep pushing with assumption but they're not forgotten, they still get talked about and in the case of Belle, negatively due to his reputation.
There were so many Hall of Famers and guys named to that Top 50 Greatest players list from Jordan's Era alone that you forget because Jordan beat them all.
@T Dillinger Julius Erving Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Magic Johnson Charles Barkley Clyde Drexler Patrick Ewing Karl Malone Shaquille O'Neal Hakeem Olajuwon Scottie Pippen David Robinson John Stockton Larry Bird Isaiah Thomas James Worthy Mosses Malone Players who made the 50 greatest players list from the NBA 50th anniversary team from the 80's/90's. Remember Jordan played 85-89 during the 80s and 90-98 during the 90's. Players who could have made the list: Dominique Wilkins, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson,Gary Payton,
@@jaelmore6456 *So you're saying the Suns he played in the 93 finals "were garbage" when they went 62-20 and had MVP Charles Barkley and Dan Majerle as their two all-stars. And the 96 Sonics who were "decent" went 64-18 and had DPOY Gary Payton/Shawn Kemp as their all-stars. Of the "Terrible" Jazz team that went 64-18 in 97 had MVP Karl Malone/John Stockton as all-stars and 98 Jazz team who went 62-20 and beat and swept the young upcoming and Lakers team with 4 all-stars Shaq/Kobe/Van excel/ Jones in the playoffs lol? Ok dude*
This video is the difference between people who have legitimate arguments with good evidence and backing vs. people just being trolls/lazy with their statements.
Jordan's era is a weaker era compared to lebron's because the athletes have better basketball skills, rules adjustments, basketball iq vision, competition,medical assistance, grasp to the game, stronger, faster, game strategy, coaching, skills such as dribbling passing, etc etc etc. Kobe have better competition and have better assistance than mj. Mj is still the top overall if you would analyze and compare not just by comparing the eras and competition but because of how he played the game. MJ is still the goat and might be the last bball goat because of how the game is being played and the business is being rolled.
Johnny does a great job at shredding that myth. I really don't understand why people make these idiotic attempts to minimize Jordan. The guy was amazing. No matter how you look at it he delivered for his team time and time again.
What about that David Robinson spurs team? Haha As a Bulls fan growing up, I never liked it when they played them. Also Denver with Mutombo+Abdul Rauf or Milwaukee Bucks. Sleeper teams that would scrap their way to wins
@@maverickrod2443 Mookie Blaylock (13.8 pts, 9.7 assists) Stacey Augmon (14.8 pts) Kevin Willis (19.1 pts, 12 reb) Danny Manning (15.7 pts and 6.8 Reb).. that was 1993-1994 season.. each one of those players was at least a one time allstar..
You're points are spot on. Clide the Glide was my father's favorite player back then. Those that did not live in that era have no idea of the talent that was out there. I'm so glad I grew up in the 80's. Thank you sir.
Racerdude777 Maybe I spend too much time on instagram, because I definitely hear it a lot. Lol. I also feel like I’ve heard Colin Cowherd and Shannon Sharpe make the claim too
@@jonnyarnett, the say it because its true. The 1990's were a good era for basketball, but talent was diluted by expansion and that led to much weaker teams than in the 1980's. That said, the eastern conference during the LeSuck era was the weakest single conference I have ever seen.
@@jonnyarnett Jordan haters like to discredit Jordan but this era was far away from weak Lots of big man and defensive players, Jordan was guarded by the most dpoy players in nba history Jordan dominated in the 80s even if he didn't win a ring Example the 93 suns equal the 2017 warriors Ppl are dumb, Shannon and nick Wright are lebron dickriders only those claim it and Ofc clueless Jordan haters
Lmao Jordan never beat Larry bird never beat Kareem, took him like 4 tries to beat the bad boys, lost to shaq and penny. Lol the best player in the era he dominated was karl malone. Lmao never faced a player as good as Kevin Durant. Steph curry is better than literally every single PG in the 90s foh dickriders
Mitch Richmond is a good example of a forgotten player. Top scorer, amazing defender. Pretty sure MJ said he was the best defender who ever played on him
He got lost when he switched to the Kings…the NBA black hole at the time. People also forget other good players like Rolando Blackmon, Jim Jackson, Danny Manning, and Alvin Robertson. There were great players everywhere that could fill up stat sheets AND play defense.
Your right Charles Barkley and a bunch of 30 year olds were one of the strongest finals teams ever, I mean they won two games against the bulls, I think they should have won it all.
ĐIŒ You have to realize people are so used to this era’s best player losing so much they can’t wrap their minds around the best player actually winning.
The problem with Jordan was, he was just too Dominant. He took the Crown in 91’ and never let anyone take it. He went 6-0 in the Finals. Because of that, players of the opposing teams never got the credit they deserved. He faced great players on very good teams. Also remember, back then the East was the dominant conference. The Bulls had to beat great teams just to get TO the Finals. He didn’t have a cakewalk to the Finals…...like other great players did…….. Example, let’s say Jordan was less Dominant and had the same winning % in the Finals that Lebron has, that being .333%. That would mean Jordan would be 2-4. Let’s say he wins in 1991 and 1996, and losses in 1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998. Imagine how differently everyone would see those Teams and Players on those teams, even though they'd be the EXACT same teams. Only difference in this scenario is Jordan being less Dominant. Charles Barkley would be an NBA Champion the year he also won MVP. His career would be Complete! Same with Clyde Drexler. Imagine how he’d be viewed today if he had defeated Jordan in 92’! He’d have bragging rights and would have gotten his revenge on Jordan that year. Because that year Jordan won MVP…….2nd in voting was Drexler! The ones that would be lifted up the most would be John Stockton and Karl Malone. They’d have beaten Jordan and the Bulls in back to back years! Two titles against Jordan. Both of those players All Time Rankings would Skyrocket the most. Both would be Top 10 Players ever! Just think, in that scenario, Malone would not only be the NBA’s 2nd All Time Leading Scorer, but he’d be a Two Time Champion with at least one Finals MVP award. While Stockton, who is the All Time NBA Leader to both Assists AND Steals would also be a 2 Time NBA Champion!! Try to think about them all time had this happened. Had Jordan not been so Dominant. Had Jordan not been so Dominant, those teams would have beaten the Bulls, and would be seen so Differently. People would be saying “Well, yeah, Jordan lost 4 times in the Finals and only won twice, but look at the Great Stacked teams he went up against!” But……that didn’t happen. Why? Because…….Jordan Proved to be Too Damn Dominant. He did not allow players to become Great on his watch. No Excuses needed for him. 6-0………..think about that. Compare that to Lebron. Too many apologists say “Well yeah, he only won 3 times, but look at the Great Stacked teams he went up against!” But would anyone be saying that those teams were so great if lebron had been too Dominant (like Jordan) and beaten those teams? No! Because had lebron won, those players all Time Ranking does not get elevated like it is now. Everyone would say Curry is a Choker. They’d say Durant couldn’t win with Westbrook and Harden, or with Curry and Thompson. Those teams and players would be seen the same way they see the teams that lost to the Bulls. Jordan and his Bulls teams would have defeated all the Teams lebron lost to. Jordan would have turned those GS teams into the NBA's version of the 90's Buffalo Bills. It’s as if…...people want to give less credit to Jordan BECAUSE of how truly Dominant he was. He made it look too easy. They want to penalize him for it, and elevate others that ALLOWED other teams and Players to BECOME Great. Jordan didn’t allow that to happen……….the only players Jordan made better were his own teammates, not the opposing players. Lebron on the other hand, elevated players on the other teams by losing to them..............think about that........ BTW, had Jordan gone 2-4, would he be seen as the GOAT? Because some want to say Lebron is the GOAT.......even though he has only won 3 Titles and is 3-6 in the Finals.
Finally someone with some basketball knowledge. Thank u so much for explaining that VERY WELL to these young Lebronze fans. He simply isn't on Jordans level. I'm 41 and watched MJ from '87 on. I've seen both of their careers and there not even close if u ask me. Idc about what stats say.
This is something that the media and others forget so much about! The real reason why Lebron is facing more HOF's is because he ALLOWED them to become hall of famers on his watch! MJ shut dont many a future hall of fame candidate because he beat them and left them running back to the drawing board still looking for the answers
This is actually a great video..You went the extra mile to prove what viewers back then knew very well.. The new fans just spit out regurgitated statements made by media lackies like nick wright, who didn't even watch basketball in the 90s. Thank you for your effort here..It shuts those putzes down.
The Bulls played and won in a tough era, the 90s were a golden era of the best 'Big Men' all time. Ewing, Barkly, Robinson,Olajuwon, Malone,Mourning, Shaq.. I can keep going but you get my point.
All those players you named are power forwards and centers name his competitors at his position............................ In the finals he went against old ass byron scott clyde drexler(he disrespected clyde for 6 games to his credit) dan marjle hershey hawkins and Jeff hornacek twice even in his conference john starks craig ehlo gerald wilkins Eddie jones(athletic but not much else) danny ainge 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀 He didn't play against anyone but dumars at his position except Reggie miller later( catch and shoot player) but overall from 84 to 96 eastern conference shooting guards don't compare to the class that started flowing into the league
The 90s were absolutely stacked with talent! Also, I love how people discredit the bulls for losing to the magic the year that MJ came back, but completely ignore the same Orlando team getting SWEPT by the bulls the following season. Crazy.
or the bronsexuals ignoring the fact that Scottie pippen was a draft pick and didnt join the bulls in his prime and when they won in 1991 pippen was just a good player. not a great player yet
What talent hahahah the best players were bigs you acting like people was pulling up from 35 back then On top of that most teams were top heavy 1 bonafide hof 1 fringe all star, then a bunch throwaways
@@sirm.a.r.s4640the stats showed that players are not better shooters than they were 20 years ago. The players just attempted more. The league average of 3 point % still remains just about the same.
@@Ironboy00 1998 WCF: Jazz vs Lakers ( 4-0 ) Lakers: *Shaquille O"Neal - All-star 1998, Top 4 in the MVP vote ( 1998 ).* *Eddie Jones - All-star 1998,* *Nick Van-Exel - All-star 1998,* *Kobe Bryant - All-star 1998.* The Utah Jazz team beat Shaquille O"Neal and three other star players. *Lebron James can"t even beat Dwight Howard.* Lebron has no chance against the Utah Jazz. 1998 WCSF: Jazz vs Spurs ( 4-1 ) Spurs: *Tim Duncan - All-star 1998, Top 5 in the MVP vote ( 1998 ).* *David Robinson - All-star 1998.* Karl Malone defeated Tim Duncan and David Robinson. *Prime Lebron James lost to 38-years-old Tim Duncan in the 2014 Nba Finals.*
This era sucks. Chuck up 3's is all they do. They walk every possession. No center match-ups, no physical play. Just a bunch of 6'6 3 point shooters. This isn't basketball. The 80's and 90's was true basketball.
Sir you are right but prepare for idiots to troll you. Some idiot in one of the comments said no Center from 90s would mess with Anthony Freakin Davis 😂
if you like 7.2 feet and 350 pounds Centers messing with each other, just bring a basket ball in a zoo and throw it in the gorillas pit ..... A guy like shaq who cant even score a free throw ... THIS is "true basketball" ?? lol
Why can't they both be good era's!?! People are haters!!! The 90's were great, but today's basketball is excellent as well. People are just short sighted and have an obsessive need to argue nonsense.
@@jayzee7538 ....Lol.....Bill Laimbeer, Robert Parish and Kevin McHale would have Anthony Davis pissing his pants. Even Larry Bird would have him scared. Back in the day they had something called enforcers.
Not to mention how INSANE the eastern conference was. Knicks, Orlando, Pacers, Detroit (who started the 90's with Isaiah and ended it with an ELITE Grant Hill), Miami (Tim Hardaway, Steve Smith, Alonzo Morning)
Very much true. The Knicks definitely were one of the best teams in the 90's. When the Knicks got Larry Johnson,Allen Houston and Latrell Sprewell. They had the potential to beat the Bulls.
@@BooHefner you’re calling a team with John starks, Xavier McDaniel, and Oakley and was led by all time great center Patrick Ewing that win 51+ games in the regular season like every year untalented huh and I bet you swear u know about basketball huh yeah ima need u to do ur research
No serious basketball fan thinks the Jordan era was weak. It was vastly superior to today’s watered down league. Hand checking and bumping was allowed. Flagrant fouls rarely called. Throwing a hard elbow or a punch wasn’t an automatic ejection. The D was hellacious in the 80’s and 90’s, and Jordan still averaged over 30 a game. Today’s league is set up to for high scoring and no one still comes close to Jordan’s efficiency rating. I could go on, but I see in the comments there are some real basketball heads that know what’s up.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I mean overall talent level and quality of teams. There was just more talent in the 80's. That said, there is NO question that 90's players were men. None of this flagrant two crap for a simple hard foul. And there some great basketball played in those days, weak era or no.
Robb Dark Look it up. Jordan had a career PER of 27.91, which is #1 all-time. And not just #1 all-time amongst SGs, but ALL TIME PLAYER, PERIOD. So that means when he’s on the court and touches the ball, he’s the best ever at getting his team points. He had a career 50% (48.7) field goal percentage for his career, and that’s counting with the Wizards.
@@DRob_22, I'm not a big fan of PER. It's kind of just made up stats that can be weighed however the creator prefers. I think his 10 scoring titles, 5 MVP's, 14 all star games, 9 all defensive team appearances, one Defensive player of the year, 3 steals titles, and 6 finals MVP's says more about him than any made up stat. True, he might not have won nearly as many titles in a more talent filled era, but championships are a team accomplishment, not an individual one. I don't think that would diminish him at all. In fact, you could make the case that his best season was 1988. He won both scoring and steals crown, League MVP, Defensive player of the year, 1st team all defense, 1st Team All-NBA, all star game MVP, Slam Dunk Champion.... what more could you ask for?
If 90's was weak..then Jason Terry is the greatest of all time and the Dallas Mavericks 2011 team is the greatest team ever assembled😂 coz they sure CHOKED LeBron🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
the Mavs swept the 2 time defending champs lakers that year and beat a young OKC team with 3 future MVP's. So they aint that weak like what you are trying to make them look here
@@vincentlaw9006 all slow and seasoned, with 1 all star a sick Dirk and a Jason kidd leaning towards retirement lmao James and the heat were up 2-1 he CHOKED that lead away, choked specially in the 4th quarters and lost 3 straight, got outplayed and outscored by bench warmer Terry,.. such a huge choke job will be remembered for ever Lebum was to weak to lead the heat and win the series, he has no leadership qualities and also can't play D, another reason why he has a losing record, he is a talented loser
When I hear people say "Jordan's era was weak." I automatically disqualify them from the conversation because they play 2K all day and don't actually be in the gym putting up BUCKETS!
The one that KILLS ME is when people say he would struggle against today's "zone defenses." Do you see Kawhi Leonard, who's game is nearly identical to MJ during the second 3 peat struggling? Cause I sure as hell don't, in fact he's arguably the best player in the world right now and BEAT LBJ when he was at his peak. The narratives people make about Michael Jordan are utterly pathetic.
b atman teams don’t even play a real zone because while the illegal defense rule might not exist, the defensive 3 second rule does and it doesn’t allow a big man to camp in the paint and wait for someone to come to the hoop like centers in the 90s used to. Besides, rules like the illegal defense were made to protect big men, not perimeter players. Zones aren’t effective against perimeter players with good ball handling skills, it’s made to stop big men from dominating the post
b atman because if a team does play a true zone, they will probably get whistled for a 3 second violation due to a defender or defenders loafing around the paint
And this was just a summary of the finals matchups. Back then the east was stacked. Penny and shaqs Magic, Zo and Hardaway's Heat, Miller and Smits Pacers, Ewing, Starks and Houston's Knicks, the bad boy Pistons, The Cavs with Price, Ehlo and Daugherty, The Celtics, Etc. This era was absolutely loaded.
Bad boy pistons are an 80s team bro they were done by the 90s and all those others u mentioned except Orlando were ok teams that's it u do realize Lakers/Celtics and badboys won all chips except 1sixers as they aged off the scene the bulls were the best squad left there were no champions left all the teams Jordan beat were teams without chips except magic after he was sick
@@titandmc8111 The pistons were in the finals in 88 and then won the chip in 89 and 90 before the bulls made them irrelavent. Don't even play that "they were an 80's team" garbage. And if you were a fan of ball in the 90's you know those teams weren't ok. They all had top 50 ALL-TIME PLAYERS.
@@robholcombe3788 I'm not sure wat u responding to but my point was there are way more ALLTIME great players playing now then the 90s Jordan never faced a team with 2 current mvps in the finals he played 1 mvp on a team and he never had to guard them because he couldn't malone and Barkley pippen/rodman guarded them name me a team as stacked as the Spurs Jordan faced and won because my Celtics owned him beat him 6 times straight he never beat us the best Jordan ever faced in the finals was Utah who never won a chip and went only twice to the finals if they were so good when Jordan retired they would have won OH,by the way badboys had a 6 yr run of facing my Celtics one of the greatest teams ever then go through those Lakers another truly great team while beating the bulls after going to 3 straight chips and winning back to back then they lost to the bulls please the bulls had no comp after that all the teams left never won a chip
Coach J They lost to an elite team, not player. Every commenter is clueless, I’m sorry. The Bulls were an elite offensive and defensive team, and had tough battles in the east, but every single finals series was a joke. The West sucked at the top end.
finally, someone who remembers other talents who seem people already forgotten. i have watched the 80's 90's 20s and till today and only true NBA fan will know the differences on each era.
The year the Bulls won 72 games, they swept the Orlando Magic in the Eastern Conference Finals, a Magic team of Shaq, Penny, Grant, Nick Anderson & Baron Scott that won 60 games that year. In the Bulls 6th Finals against the Jazz, that Jazz team swept the 62 win Lakers that had Kobe and Shaq. That's how good the competition was back then. Great video Jonny!!
Thanks! You’re spot on btw. If I broke down all the stacked Eastern Conference teams that they went through, this video would be darn near a half hour long. Hornets, Pacers, Knicks, Heat, Magic, etc.
And 96 Sonics had 3 allstars in Kemp, GP, Detlef that beat 2 hall of famers in back to back series to get to finals. Rockets with Olajuwon and Drexler, Jazz with Malone and Stockton.
I read a couple Bleacher Report articles from this ignoramus who said that Jordan dominated a weak era because the Bulls dominated and that there were no other great teams, which is just objectively wrong and can be proven false by doing research and watching the games.
@@lurdzz8534 bruh you dumb that's like saying that kobe's 81 points dosen't matter cause it was 20 years from the 80s and since that was only 20 years from plumber years that means that it's not great
What makes me laugh about the idea that Jordan started winning when the great teams got old right.. bt no one wants to talk about lebron besting the old spurs or the old Celtics or dominanting the super weak raptors. Or in general him making 8 straight finals in the east that I could argue was the weakest it had ever been😂
What's really funny is that people never bring up the fact that LA wasn't at full strength when the Bad Boy Piston's beat them in the Finals, or that the Piston's pretty much beat a before-their-prime 1990s Blazers team that primed up in 92. Yet, the Bulls get no credit when they played these teams under similar/increased circumstances. Go figure!
Man, I was a die hard suns fan! KJ and majerle were awesome! I loved Barkley as well and it killed me when they lost. I actually hated Jordan until his actual comeback in 96 because everyone seemed like bulls bandwagoners. Looking back on that era and finding videos like this reminds me how awesome the guy was. As you said, the average championship team had at least three supporting cast members, Jordan could quite literally win the game or at least keep his team afloat until their offense started, single handedly.
Edit: Basketball in the 80's and 90's was a great product, but the talent level of the average team declined in the 90's due mostly to the addition of the four expansion teams. The lower talent level resulted in a focus on defense and made the game even more physical.
@@JJJJ-he8bz Haha!! Wait what!? You think the Pistons weren’t better than SA and GS. The Pistons would of sh&@ on both teams. And Lebron wouldn’t of been able to beat the Bad Boys in 91 with any of his super teams. Lol!!! Not to mention James has to play with at least two other all-stars to get over the hump. James has had the benefit of playing in a softer league that relies heavy on shooting. You cannot physically impose yourself defensively and we watch AAU basketball. Lol!!! You must be certifiable.
@@Kalmar917 man quit living in the past that Warriors team was a singularity without an injury and the Spurs in 2014 had 4 hall of famers in a hall of fame coach and won 5 championships the pistons are touching those teams put all the players labron faced and Jordan faced on one team and there’s no way in hell it’s close
@@JJJJ-he8bz Your delusional. So James who is the biggest baby in the league in which has not been the best in the league or better put can be arguably the best compared to Jordan who was hands down the best player in the world. The GOAT no argument otherwise is less than James or had less competition. The same dude that had how man all Stars on his teams. Wait the guy that left Cleveland to Miami then back. Then to LA. And playing in a softer league. Please man go see a doctor to fix that head of yours. Tougher league, better comp and no babies allowed. Today we got a bunch of babies running around thinking they are men. James couldn’t beat the Pistons with his Heat, Cavs or this rendition of the Lakers. Let alone the Lakers of the past or even Kobe and Shaq. His teams wouldn’t of beaten Shaq and Penny. Wait what about Magic, Kareem, Cooper, Green and you think there weren’t super teams back then. The difference is those players had the balls to take their team to the promise land and I would say Isaiah and Jordan did it with the least in a much tougher and better league. Go get checked homie before they put that jacket on you.
@@Kalmar917 bruh ok😂😂 you lost all credibility with your biased hate you honestly telling the heat wouldn’t have beat the pistons with labron at his athletic prime? They would sweep them what are you talking about there is no one on the pistons that’s checking Labron and wade they getting shredded. Tim Duncan, Steph Curry, Klay Thomson, Kevin Durant, WestBrook, Hardin,Tony Parker, Manu, Kawhi, The Celtics big 3, Dirk and Jason kid that’s what labron faced 14 hall of famers😂 bye.
Because today's NBA is all about business that is why the competition is getting weak, not like before that all franchise wants to win a chip,.for me nothing can compares about 80s and 90s Era,. GREAT VIDEO BRO KEEP UT UP!!
Man this is a great explanation. Sadly the people today who want to diminish Jordan will not want to hear it. They only believe what they want even though it doesn’t make sense. U have an amazing coach in Utah with arguable the 2nd best point guard and 2nd best power forward OF ALL TIME on the same team with solid support pieces! AND PEOPLE TODAY WILL SAY THE Jazz were weak, even though they swept Shaq & Kobe’s Lakers with 2 other all-stars with them! They have no clue of how good Portland, Phoenix and Seattle were (I think those two teams are teams that would beat the Golden State Warriors of this generation).
TREMENDOUS video. I am a pretty old fan myself, and I remember it all. Those 90's teams Jordan beat were great teams. In my opinion, the Bulls had the biggest problems with the Jazz in 1997 and 1998 Finals: In 1997, Utah was that close to winning Games 5 (MJ's flu game) and 6 (the MJ assist to Steve Kerr for winning shot) to take the title in 1997 instead of Chicago. And in 1998, it really should have gone to Game 7, but with the Bulls trailing by 3 off a Stockton three-pointer, MJ had a final 43 seconds for the ages to win Game 6 and the back to back threepeat, avoiding what would have been a Game 7 in Utah with Scottie Pippen hobbling. Karl Malone is an 11-time 1st team All-NBA forward and John Stockton is the all-time leader in assists and steals. How could that Utah team be "weak" competition? Going to the 1998 Finals, they eliminated teams led by legends like Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler; David Robinson and Duncan; and Shaq and Kobe (the Lakers were even swept in the West final). Weak competition?! Really? Those 1997 and 1998 Jazz, 1993 Suns and 1996 Sonics... just powerful teams. Among the best teams in history not to win the title. They all lost to Jordan and the Bulls. MJ was the real deal. The GOAT.
you're right, the only team that the Bulls face in the 90s Finals is the Lakers in 1991, as said in the video, especially with James Worthy and Byron Scott being injured (I didn't knew that)
@@felixmartinez1100 Payton did such a good defensive job on MJ that it really was MJ's worse performance in a Finals series, and Dennis Rodman could well have been the Finals MVP due to how he intimidated Seattle with his relentless rebounding and defense. Of course, "worse performance" for MJ still meant topnotch defense and leading the Bulls in scoring in all 6 games. He shot poorly in the clinching Game 6 (was it like 5-17) but still had 22 points and a near triple double. And an iconic image came after the final buzzer: him collapsing to the floor in tears and holding on tightly to the ball. That title was his first without his dad. It was for him.
@@mobywatel7515 Ah yes! I forgot that it just wasn't the Finals opponents who were great. Eastern teams which the Bulls faced in the postseason in the 1990's like the Cavaliers, Knicks, Heat and Pacers were just great teams with very some very highly regarded players and coaches
@@bigbabydogdawg4496 it is defense, it's called a MANS GAME, as for this time and era..its called a BITCHES game, so either you are with MEN..or with BITCHES, so who are you with?
The only people that think the 90’s was a weak era is a bunch of people that didn’t watch back then. Ever heard of the Dream Team? Greatest collection of players ever assembled
@Ramses Stafford in 2001 Olajuwon was old and injured from actually carrying teams while Jordan got several years of rest on those knees! Funny how everyone says Jordan was out of shape but if you know Jordan, he was NEVER out of shape!
The competition was great, but he put it on a another level. His mindset, mentality is legendary. His peers were good also, his drive is to win, period was very high, off the charts. If you match his level, drive, he will respect you. His eyes was always on the prize, otherwise why are you playing. Him, Kobe Bryant, Magic, Larry Bird, Jerry West, LeBron, D Wade, many greats with that mindset. Good video!
I love hearing someone talk good about The Sonics. Thank you for that whoever made this video. Help get them back, there's still thousands of us up here missing them.
Hot take….the Sonics should have beaten the Bulls in 96. Payton and Schrempf had bad series, and with Kemp really being the only one performing to expectations, they still pushed them to 6 games.
I was fortunate to watch basketball in that era. That was really the era where basketball was meant to be played, and not some players trying to get calls by jumping into players or flopping and shoot 3's.
@@tzovlask I'm sure you notice Miller doesn't do it often until late into his career. He knows he won't get away with it from the Pistons and Knicks of old
The kind of play in the 90s didn't even have room for stat padding of this decade. teams here would get run out by the D of old before the superstars could even begin to think of stat padding lol .
Jordan's in the Wizards.. was still playing Tracy, Kobe, Vince C.. Tim Duncan.. there's videos of him school them.. and nights where he won by nights of 50+ , All those stars never played at Jordan's level at that age.. every other great player .. when they are 39+ .. they suck.. 5 point games.. Jordan was always on another level.. if he didnt hurt his knees with the wizards.. who knows.. the improvement alone to the Wizards.. with 1 player MJ..
Great video Jonny, you eloquently described how great those teams are, to say Jordan face weak opponents is an understatement. Those teams were stacked in todays standard. I watched all those championships in the 90's, that's why I, became a Bulls fan...and of course my GOAT, MJ...all day all the way!!
Not to mention the eastern conf teams. NY knicks: ewing, starks, oakley, jackson...Reggie miller’s pacers, orlando magic with shaquille o’neal, penny hardaway, dennis scott......the list goes on and on
I don't deal in hypotheticals u or I don't know what 30 years will be.Right now any big is being brought out to the 3pt line they run a pick or screen causing a switch now that big is on shooter/penetrator and is getting cooked that's why GS is so good forget about there superior offense they have a transcendent defense klay,iggy,Draymond can switch to play any perimeter player.That's why they go small even playing teams with good centers now I hate GS but the whole lg is doing this now Whiteside from miami a couple years ago was going 20 and 15 became almost unplayable due to this tactic.Imagine how tired shaq would or wilt would be constantly being put in this situation this is major part of offense today.Please dont say this easy to stop cause nobody has what teams do is go small themselves because with the shooting range of today u must stay with the shooter if u get picked or double screened u have to switch or it's an open shot u watch the Portland GS game u need bigs that can cover perimeter players so since bigs can't really do that they become defensive liabilities that's today's game.I agree most transcendent players from any would great but player styles would not translate to today I personally believe LEBRON body type would have been great for the 80s or 90s 6"8 260 to 270 That was the weight of most centers and karl malone scored more points than Jordan in that era imagine wat LEBRON what have did so while I cant speak to 30 years from now I do check who are high schooler prospects and college for the next there are 3 dudes 6"7 6"6 6"5 that in the top 20 one is a 9th grader the other 2 are 8th grades With guard skills u see the 7"3 kid in college with guard skills and a jumper THE FUTURE may be filled with Dirks and Durants
@@livefromhere1152 None of those guys u mentioned are in the top 5 ALLTIME they are great injuries robbed us of grant hill and penny but in the 2000s we seen Lebron,Kobe,KD,Harden,Kahwi,Steph I'm not even gonna mention others but these guys are greater than the 90s stars by themselves who can shoot better than steph who can pass an score like Lebron and lead lesser talent consistently name better 2 way players than Kawhi u would have to look to my list last but not least Kobe who everyone says is a copy of Jordan let's be serious the NBA is skill based now some say hard fouls of the 80s made it tougher well submit this not hockey
@@livefromhere1152 u typing this with a straight face Jordan the only 90s great that can be mentioned with Bron,Kobe,Kawhi,KD,or Curry b serious give me your I really would like to see who u think are great from the 90s and 80s please dont list any bums that don't have at least 20,000 pts
@@sambeezy007 Magic was still competitive only was forced to retire due to HIV. Let reminds Magic did came back in 1996 where the Bulls dominated. Larry was forced to retire due to his back injury in 1993.
What You're Talking About?,Are You Blind?, Ok, Let Put It This Way! Sixers 84 (M.Malone, Dr.J & C. Bartley) Vs Bulls (Any Prime You Want) Celtics 86 (L.Bird, K, McHale, & R.Parish) Vs Bulls (Any Prime You Want) Lakers 85 (K.Jabbar, M. Johnson, J. Worthy) Vs Bulls (Any Prime You Want) I Want You To Put This In Your Tiny Mind! If You Put These Teams I Mentioned In 90s Era. For Sure! No Bulls Era Will Be Remembered In NBA History.
THANK YOU for this video! I'm so sick of people trying to make this claim, because they think this era has more stars than in the 90's. They always want to say MJ was being guarded by Jeff Hornacek disrespecting a man who averaged 15pts per game, shot 50% from the field and 44% from the 3pt line! People also forget about the real second best SG in the league after 92 Mitch Richmond!
Great video...Growing up in Chicago, it was all about the 85 Bears and the Bulls of the 90s...But let's not forget those Beefy eastern conference teams the Bulls had to go through,after the year they finally beat the Pistons...the Knicks were loaded,so were the young Magic team and the Pacers!
Jordan is like One Punch Man he just made it look too easy so people will not give him enough credit especially if your really into today’s style of play.
That is the first I've ever heard about him being in a weak era? Are these people serious? You just need to to look at the Barcelona Dream Team. Enough said.
Best breakdown I have seen! Well Done! The media has simply forgotten how good the league was back then! or even how great MJ was! This whole James VS MJ debate is ridiculous! MJ dominated in every finals! You cant say the same for Lebron! nor his competition!
And could have really won it too, if they hadn't made the suicidal decision to stop Gary Peyton marking Jordan. When they played, he lowered MJ's average to a miserable 20 ppg. Sounds like some backroom deals went on if you ask me.
@@allanhouston6759 stats don't always tell a players impact on the game.you can have a stacked stat sheet and get blown out but u can have 15 points and 8 rebounds and win.everything doesn't show up in the stats
This argument worked both ways. It was and still is a generational issue [most of the time] : younger fans believed everything before them was bad; older fans believed everything before and after their growing up years is bad. I was born in 1970 and the false premises, half baked truth or bad memories was oftenly used by "old heads" in the 1970s, 1980s... Until now! The sad truth is : life in general or basketball isn't getting better or worse. It's changing : rules, strategies, tendencies, coaching, training differed. It's different plain and simple. It's sad, but in the 1980s, Wilt Chamberlain and multiple former stars were saying how : "it was better in our time"; "we were smarter"; "we had better fundamentals", "it was tougher and meaner"; "we didn't played for money." Wilt Chamberlain stated in 1989 and 1997 that if he played in Jordan's era, he would had scored 70 PPG! While leading the league in blocks and rebounds. Jerry West agreed on that point! It was heard every week on Roy Firestone's show... The problem, people forget. They don't remember. And look. There are 1990s kids that will repeat the same old fallacies and premises I despised in the first place. No, NBA stars weren't better back then. No, NBA stars aren't better now. They développés different skills in order to dominate their basketball era. Old vs new.
I love your statement, but no, mj would face better players in the 2000s and 2010s, he would face kobe t mac AI lebron kd curry harden westbrook, such talented players were not around during mjs time.
It was never a myth, it never had credibility. Its just something Bronsexuals with single-digit IQ said to throw shade at him: *Shaquille O'Neal *Hakeem Olaujuwon *David Robinson *Karl Malone *Patrick Ewing *Gary Payton *John Stockton *Charles Barkley *Jason Kidd *Rod Strickland And dozens more Hall of Famers
You know why I Love this bcse wen I get into arguments with these guys of my age who try to deflate MJ is always ask them to tell me the name of any player other than Scottie n Horace who played with " Da Bulls " wen they Won their First 3 Rings and I never get an answer from anyone. So let's ask tht same question now give me names of any player tht played on the Bulls tht Won the First 3 Rings other than Scottie or Horace Grant bcse I kno wht the narrator said is " PERFECT " to a T
All they look at now is how the " Physical Skill " Stands Out, for instance Kyrie's Handles or the Size and Mobility of LeBron which you cnt take from him but look at Zion now right behind of him next thing in all reality you wanna tell me no one expected at least one player to strt playing ball with Street Handles or like The Harlem Globe Trotters a mean come on ppl, no one expected tht Big Men wudnt wnt to learn to Handle and shoot from outside like they do now so yes the era of play style has changed but to say tht the 80's and 90's were weak eras y'all need to just shut y'all " TRAPS ". I MEAN aftr seeing Magic n Penny play Point at their height who wudnt also wnt to be a 6'11 Point Guard
after watching this video I just remember how powerful the teams in the 90's was, those superteams are like 2018 GSWarriors levels or even stronger but Jordan made them looks like an average team, thats how great MJ is. it's like putting an F1 in a Nascar race, the difference in talent is so large.
Neal W Thats just poor script writing on that part. I should have elaborated more on that point. What I essentially meant is that you have to win a title to get the credibility, or win a title as “the man”. Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Clyde Drexler... those are all three guys who have rings, but they did it with different teams long after their prime. For example, If Drexler won one with the Blazers, Kidd with the Nets, and Payton with the Sonics, then their legacies would be held in a much higher regard.
@@jonnyarnett - good point but MJ never won a title without Pippen, can make the same point. They had to build a team to win a title in a lesser league that played little defense if any. And they got the best coach in the NBA at the time and the Bulls with Pippen were the 2nd best defensive team in the NBA behind the Pistons for a couple years.
@@brianreed1859 Didn't he covered this In the video already?.....Plus, Jordan was "the man" and In his prime the whole time. Them other players was not.
@@frankiegunnz8066 - lol not in his prime the whole time. His numbers dropped some when he was 33 or so and during his time in Washington didn't have the same spring in his legs and was an average player. His athletic ability mostly made him what he was
Brilliant video mate, loved 80’s and 90’s basketball. More pure than what’s out there today. All the Lebron fans saying how many hall of famers he’s had to go against when they haven’t even been introduced into the hall of fame and probably never will is getting annoying. Those teams Jordan played against were well balanced because they didn’t create super teams then
It's your turn... How great the Jordan's competition in the 90s??
EDIT: Just to clarify, Some of the Pistons players age that were referenced in the video were a year off. Basketball Reference lists their age AT THE START of the 90-91 season, meaning if they had a birthday during the season, then they a year older than the age I listed them. I realize that now. Regardless, the point stays the same.
Great video my man how about you make a video comparing MJs competition to Lebroan competition to show all these fools how much harder it was for Jordan to win than Lebron!
Jordan didn’t play in a weak era, he made everyone on the court look weak compared to him and the Bulls.
Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing and Clyde Drexler just to name a few would be top 10 players in the NBA today tbh.
lloganmusic that same jazz team also took down the Barkley, dresser, Olajuwon rockets!! Then the bulls dismantled the Jazz not once but twice!! I would’ve love to MJ vs Hakeem & Barkley tho
K. The 80s and 90s defensive era is way more difficult than ANY other era. Look at basketball during the new millennium and the 20 teens. Everything is 3s and dunks. 👎
@@brandonposey2724 i like how the 90s d allowed easy layups as the defense aimlessly wandered around not know where their guy was oh wait thats that new era d my mistake
Having lived near DC when Jordan played into his 40's, I payed close attention to what people seem to forget. He played in both eras, and when his knees weren't acting up, he was still better than most of the players in the league (did I mentioned he was 40) and was posting up stats that eclipse what players in their prime are doing today. He is the only player in history to score multiple 40+ point games in 3 different decades. And old man Jordan didn't just score 40+ pts once...he did it multiple times. And that's not even talking about his other stats, which he also put up impressive numbers for any age both offensively and even more impressively, defensively.
InflightMuzik correction 50+ points in 3 decades actually
I’m not sure but Kobe may have scored 40 in the 90’s as well. But I’m not arguing. MJ is the GOAT.
We saw the man fly
@Justin BLUMS true, but think about being 38-40, the MAIN man being 38-40 and still delivered. He was too good of a player. I never throw hate to anybody Bron still one of the greatest to ever play this sport, but i just don't see him putting 50 point performance at 38-40 or maybe he will who knows we'll have to wait.
The fact that a 38-39 year old player joined a sub 20 win team and past the all-star break had that team at 26-21 and in third place in the East conf all while averaging 25pts 6rebs and 5 ast 2 steals 1 block per game is insane. You don't know how many, not just young young fans but fans even in there 30's +, think that Jordan during the wizard years was a washed up player that barely scored 10 points a game. People really believe he was washed up. The man was avg 25 a game At 39. He was only getting better through the season. Getting back in basketball shape. Jordan was one of the mvp candidates at that point. Then that Damn meniscus tear. That's an injury that even after surgery lingers on for years. Plus the tendonitis and swelling and he still avgs 20 5 and 5 at age 40. To me those wizard years showed us even more...even more proof of how much better at basketball Jordan was than everyone else. 2001-03 were extremely underrated Jordan years. Imagine him if playing in 98-99 or 99-00
Also, Bulls lost the championship the two years Jordan wasn't playing. He came back and they did the three-peat again. Kinda shows who made the difference, don't you think?
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@@chrisscott7913 team lost 3 less games with mj and jordam played 17 games in 94-95 and he droped 40 on the knicks in the playoffs....dont pretend he didn't play.
@@zoomdoof6107 They did win 55. That's a good effort but it didn't get the team members any championship rings. Jordan was that guy who made the difference. The chemistry between Jordan and Pippen has been awesome for sure but the data we have shows us only a Bulls team not becoming champions without Jordan. Now the question may be: "What if Pippen left instead of Jordan?" The answer to that, we'll never know for sure.
Onur Koray I’ve always had to remind people of this fact from time to time and I’m a real Lebron fan but I actually watched Jordan from beginning to end and as much as I tried to dislike him because he was so great and would destroy teams, I still know that he is the G.O.A.T...🤷🏿♂️
Not really. It shows that both Jordan and Pippen were needed. As this video states no team can do it with one star.
I wish I could like this video 100 times. Speaking as a Bulls fan, thank you so much for this video. It’s mind blowing watching people claim the 90s was a “weak era.” I remember the incredible talent from that time. And you laid out so many great points.
Im a bron fan but Jordan is still my goat people who say “Jordan played bums” weren’t even there
Ya these deranged bronsexual kids try to rewrite history. Wack
@@felixpineda2508 the 98 jazz swept thr lakers with kobe shaq
im in my late 40's and this man speaks the truth. Houston, Sonics, Orlando, there were crazy good talent in the 90's
I'm in my early 40's and I remember thinking at the time how anyone of those teams could beat the bulls.
I think Jordan is easily the best and greatest player ever, but one thing that bugs me is that he never had to play a championship team. None of the teams he beat in the finals won a championship(91 Lakers don’t count, easily the worst team he faced). Everyone says the Suns, Blazers, Knicks, Sonics, and Jazz were incredible, but if they were so good then how come they couldn’t win in 94 or 95. Hakeem played with literally no all stars in either season(Drexler was a stud in the 95 playoffs though). I just wonder if he would have had the same success if the Jazz or Sonics or someone else had that Championship DNA because I’ve seen what that can do for a team, cough 2014 Spurs, and 2019 Warriors(Ik they lost, but for them to compete despite all the injuries is incredible)
They had 2 see it. The game has changed. Sprinting up and down the court now is taxing also
Jordan didn't meet Houston in the finals
Y’all niggas old
It was very classy of you to give props to some unsung heroes like Dan Majerle, Terry Porter, and Jeff Hornacek😁
Lol...
I fucking HATED hornacek with a passion
Hersey Hawkins & Detlef Shrempf (I've forgot how to spell his name:( )
Those were all good teams back then, the 95/96 Sonics were really good. They barely got out of the conference finals but I think that was just a confidence thing. I was in the house to see Karl Malone miss his two free throws at the end, it was bedlam. So fun.
Bulls that year went 87-13 with regular season and playoffs/finals combined. Truly dominate.
marjerle porter and hornacek could all play- porter was on all star teams. all of them took got their teams to the promised land- they just ran into you know who...
Bottom line you couldn't touch Jordan is why he dominated , videos don't lie
This video brought back a lot of memories. I was a Jazz fan, and seeing the Sonics, Suns, and trailblazer lineups reminded me of watching those teams edge out my Jazz in the years before Utah had two shots in the finals. All of those teams were loaded, and this video did a good job pointing out all the forgotten talent. As an avid Jazz fan in 97 and 98, it was both awe inspiring and heart breaking to watch Jordan do what he did. The "Flu" game in particular was absolutely incredible, though it broke my heart at the same time. I like Lebron, and am interested in seeing how his career winds up, but MJ will always be in a class all his own.
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A long list of victims who was abused by Michael Jordan
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The era in which three superstars will all join forces to win and still fail, can never speak badly on any other era.
What about the 70s Lakers?
What team do you speak of ?
You're talking about the 2016 Thunder?
2015 hawks had four all stars on team at same time and still got swept to Cavs. Celtics had four superstars and lost to Heat. Warriors also had three all stars and lost to Cavs etc.
A era where over 50% of the players couldnt shoot shouldnt be saying they better cuz they hit eachother.
Also leagues always had superteams, like what do you think the lakers been doing for the last 50 years
The reason they seem weak is because they competed with Michael Jordan.
can you name a few of them that "seemed weak".
@@lxvideostuff7200 Everyone "seemed weak" because no one can win. That's the point I was making.
@@RobertJohnson-nz3xm we dont understand each other. ill not argue
@@lxvideostuff7200 ok and
Ok what about when MJ and Barkley said they were bored? The NBA was weak in the 90's and all the way through today. Fact
MJ ran to the gym when things got tough
Lebron ran to another team
Facts youngsters, it is what it is. Jordan the 🐐
Yeah, Dave and tries to get other superstars to go with him! Hell, he sometimes succeeds!
@@Amick44 Yeah unfortunately.
LBJ ran to the other team, won two rings with them. Then came back and won another one. Suma sumarum, you suck at arguments!
@@nikolamilosevski6424 Michael won 6 with the team he was drafted on
It's funny cause if lebron stayed on a Cleveland team that he got to the finals in epic fashion which got swept in the finals he would have 0 championships to speak of and everyone would be talking how he sucks cause he never won anything. Hes damned if he stays and hes damned if he leaves...same with Kevin durant. You are ultimately judged for winning at the end of your career and without a supporting cast no player or team has a shot. I'm sorry lebron didnt have another top 50 all time player drafted to his team and wasnt coached by arguably the goat coach and inherited the best all time rebounder and three point shooter % wise for the second three peat. Your guys arguments are so simple its mind blowing.
you forgot to mention the epic matchups with the NY Knicks against Starks, Mason, Ewing, Oakley, Mac Daniel, and the Pacers the eastern finals were almost like a final every time
YES..or the Hornets, Nuggets, and the rockets with Hakeem, Kenny, etc.
Jordan didn't face these teams in the playoffs, on his way to championships. You mean the talented Cavaliers in the East.
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Those teams were overrated as fuck
speaking of which: th-cam.com/video/GYQxHZgi-8Y/w-d-xo.html
These fake stories started when lebron started losing to many finals. So they lie to defend that. Let’s not act like lebron won in the 2000s
Lebum is a Bytch
I would so like to watch LeBron go up against a prime no blood no foul 90's Pistons team that Jordan had to overcome.
@@mitomidou Jordan never beat the greatest until they were old and past their prime, Gtfoh Jordan not number one in nothing Rings, points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, do you understand, he not number in any NBA category, other than beating bums and past their prime superstars who use to wipe his ass on the court in their prime Gtfoh.
@@mitomidou I'll give Mahorn his due but no one else on that team is surviving a crash against LeBron full speed at 6'9 260 pounds xD. He'd have even more legendary And1's. This ain't 6'4" 190 pound Jordan.
@@andrewcook1246 coming to a realization in the past few days, think I made a mistake here. That being putting up a statement that removes Bron's agency to possibly adjust to the situation if he did play in that era. Not to sell MJ short, guy bulked up and combined power and finesse to start getting good in the paint no matter if he played against power or finesse. Could Bron have been able to do so as well? Possibly. Part of that statement I made there does want to see how Bron would have played in the hand-check, no blood no foul era of the late 80's - early 90's. However, he seemed averse to adding skills to his game. He added some, but nothing too substantial.
My biggest criticism with LBJ is when adversity came, he seemed to fold. Wasn't always the case though now that I've looked back thanks to a great video done by SBN. Back in the 2000's Cavs days, the guy seemed fearless. Taking the last shot, carrying the team in scoring, sprinting down the floor to play D. What he lacked was a Pippen like teammate. He had good roleplayers and stars but he never had a teammate the magnitude of Pippen. Thing is, think he over-corrected and went the other way too much when he reached his prime since after that, now he is of the mindset of getting most of the best players on his side and in doing so, deferring to them when adversity hit.
This would be overly long if I were to put in all my criticisms in comment form, might just record a commentary/video essay of it some time but I'll try to distill it down. I have been selling Bron too short given his abilities and accomplishments. That being said, I still put MJ and a lot of hall of famers over him. Bron is an amazing player with faults, much like all and while MJ's had his faults too, those faults seemingly did not manifest in his role as a basketball player and sadly, IMHO, Bron's faults do extend on the court.
Whenever I used the old school defense with the kids on the court nowadays, they got pissed and thought I was trying to pick a fight🤷🏻♂️
cause those kids couldn't dribble
Because it's a foul now
Yeah old school defense is foul today.. these kids dont wanna be touch or defended haha
They call it foul now, which I think makes players soft.
They added acting school on basketball right now. No wonder flops were introduced to the game.
This modern era -where James Harden can tap dance and defenders can’t breathe on him without a foul being called - is the weak era.
I can't believe the things that modern players can get away with. Players like Harden step forward, backwards, multiple steps that we all know is illegal. Guys like Lebron drive and dunk through open lanes due to rules gone wild, all to get more offense. No hand check, please....
TRUTH.
Harden travels every time he has the ball. If a defender looks at him it’s a foul.
I tried to imagine how Harden would look like in the 80s and 90s and I found an imagine on google. It's Ron Artest with an eblow on his head lolol
@@rustyduet9711 imagine lebron being able to hand check or any of the players today?. They are 15 lbs heavier, 2 years young and 1 inch shorter than the players in the 90s. You guys need to stop the hate, players are way more skilled today and the defensive rules make it extemely had to defend players this good
Todd Michaelsen james harden would still feed clyde drexler 60 points
Payton was weak? Man, this dude can destroy you by just talking
Facts
fr GP was intimidating for a pg he was a hof defender and he played in the low post. These beta male Nerds talking sports 😂
he is a point guard tho.. name 10 players from the 90s who guarded jordan that you consider elite besides reggie miller lol
MJ played Payton twice a season and one Finals. What about the other 80 regular season games and every Eastern Conference playoff series?
Payton was a defender. That’s it. Did he lock up Jordan? Was his defense so good that Jordan averaged any less then usual? No he didn’t. It was a sad finals and I watched it. Weak ass teams in a weak era
It’s beyond words on how great the 90’s were in the NBA. Gives me goosebumps. So disciplined. So determined to win and be great. Even guys you’ve never heard of were just UNBELIEVABLE players. I can easily say that I’m one of the lucky ones to growup in my teens and witness such amazing basketball. Good times🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
KJ played every minute of a triple overtime. Weak? Please. Get off my lawn
Agree. I like Jordan era basketball rules. What I dont like in nba today is the "soft"fouls.
Yeah dude! I was born in 1977 so, I know exactly what you're talking about!
@@josiasjorgio8810 and I don’t like people beating the hell out of each other
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It's refreshing to see someone put up a video describing and detailing Jordan's achievements over his career. You are absolutely right to say that Jordan came up against some of the greatest teams in NBA history. People who weren't there are always quick to criticise, not knowing the type of extraordinary talent that graced the league during the time he played. It was NEVER EASY for Michael....yet he prevailed. That shows quality...and that type of quality shone amidst a league at the time LOADED with quality.
Great job. This generation is clueless and also the sports media tries to downplay Jordans competition. It's so disrespectful. Also Jordan played in a more phsical era.
The video is wrong. Jordan played against 8 Hall of Famers in his six finals appearances. Magic played against 31 in nine finals. Bird played against 19 HOFers in five finals. Dr J played against 13 HOFers in only 3 finals. The 1990's WERE weak.
seb clot ummm u are wrong look at the path the bulls took to get to the finals remember the eastern conference back then dominated
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@TheRealist 811 Talk about the full playoffs? OK
Jordan faced 32 HOFers in all playoff series in the 90's.
Magic faced 51 HOFers in all playoff series during the 80's.
Bird faced 64 HOFers (yes you read that right) in the 80's
Dr J faced 43 HOFers in the 80's.
Again, this is not a criticism of Jordan. Im just using Bird, Magic, Jordan, and Julius as proxies to illustrate that the talent in the 80's was stronger. Jordan didn't choose his opponents.
@@bspoon2529, Ok. Lets examine the Conference playoffs alone then:
Jordan saw 24 HOFers and 1 MVP during the Eastern Conference playoffs in the 90's.
Magic Faced 20 HOFers and 3 MVP's who won a total of 6 MVP awards.
Bird faced 45 HOFers in the east during the 80's and faced off with 5 MVP's totaling 11 total MVP awards.
Dr. J faced 30 HOfers in the east during the 80's and saw 2 MVP's with a total of 4 MVP awards
Jordan's conference competition wasn't anything special. Bear in mind that this is not a criticism of Jordan. Its just a comparison of the competition level between the 80's and 90's. Jordan had no control over who he played.
When I hear people say Jordan never faced a team like the Warriors I tell them: "that's because the Bulls were the dam Warriors of the 90s"
Haha, ill definitely will be using that one
LouisSportsNetwork yup LMFAO. Except that they neva lost
97 Jazz were pretty close
But even better👍🤗
LouisSportsNetwork exactly
One thing Ive noticed comparing MJ to other super star today, MJ was fearless no matter what he can lift up his team in any crucial game, the spirit of MJ being with his team make his team believed they can dominate anyone who tried to stop them going to the NBA finals. That’s the reason why they never lost any NBA finals. “And I took that personally” -MJ
Thank YOU! That is whats missing. These ignorant clowns can spout certain stats that make the league seem better now and tougher now. We can debate that all we want. But Jordan's will to win...unmatched. I love to debate whether the 94 and 95 Rockets Championship teams would have lost to Jordan and the Bulls. I always end up in the same place. Yes, Hakeem was great, no doubt, one of the best ever...but you know who else falls in that category of "almost" champions. Drexler, Barkley, Kemp, Payton, Malone, Stockton. It is my (biased) opinion the Bulls would have won bc of Jordan's will to win. Maybe the Rockets would have won one...maybe lol. Just bc the Bulls would have been tired from 5 straight Finals appearances and 7 consecutive Conference championships,
@@warrioratthewall1969 I disagree in 1994. The rockets were one of the most complete teams out there and if the Bulls lost that more solidifies why the rockets having the hardest championship of all time to be won. And I don't think they'll win the next seasons and do the next three peat. Since competition got better during Jordan's first retirement. And they needed Dennis Rodman and other key pieces to rebuild a greater team. If jordan didn't retire, Horace grant would've stayed with the Bulls and no Dennis Rodman means that the team would've been worse and Jordan will have to resort to having to put great numbers on a title contender team but not one enough to compete with the likes of the jazz.
@@bearwithme9433 I respect your opinion...and respectfully disagree 🙂 we'll never know. Maybe Horace wouldve still not had his contract renewed even if Jordan stayed. Maybe they would've resigned him. But many ppl, including Michael Wilbon included feel the 1992 Bulls were the best team ever, not any of the 96,97,98 Bulls teams. But thats all debatable. I think if the Rockets could have beaten them, they would've in 1996. It was a miracle the Jazz even beat the Rockets tho, for sure.
@@warrioratthewall1969 I don't think anyone would leave a team that just won a championship unless it was trade. But yeah it's debatable. I'll say the second three peat was a more complete team than the first three peat. That's why more than often lists include Jordan's 1996 Bulls rather than the 1992 bulls. Since with the 72-10 and winning a championship would added more greatness than the 1992 bulls.
@@bearwithme9433 the Bulls didn't re-sign Horace. I still don't understand it but Horace didn't choose to leave, The Bulls didn't want to sign him again 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ they immediately went down hill. One could argue the 95 Bulls may have still been a contender, at least in the East having learned how to win without Jordan but mostly the same team other than that, but Krause let Horace go and basically blew up the team.
You didn’t even talk about how stacked the eastern conference was at the time
@Henry Safai it was though compared to these days. Even after the bad boy piston and celtics era which was long af there was Knicks, Pacers, Magic to name a few. The east was much much harder than the 00s and now both in the 80s and the 90s and the west was good too it wasn't as unbalanced.
@@1nf1ni7e_Gamers The 80s we're way more competitive, there was always an all time great team in the finals.
@shirley miller The same knicks were not the ones getting destroyed by the spurs nad lakers. Those knicks were gone with Jordan and the Jazz beat the lakers spurs in playoffs etc then the jazz hung it up too.
1nf1ni7e very true the pacers made the finals finally in 2000 but lost to the lakers, the Knicks made the finals in 1999, met the spurs and the magic lost to the rockets in 1994-95 or so in the finals, do I need to say more?
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2000 Pacers:
Reggie Miller ( age 34 ), Mark Jackson ( age 34 ), Rik Smits ( age 34 ). Chris Mullin ( age 36 ).
Anthonio Davis was no longer on the team.
They were no longer in their Prime.
*The fact that the old Pacers made it to the Finals in the 2000s and were able to win two games against the Lakers tells us how strong the Eastern Conference was in the 90s.*
1999 Knicks:
It was a completely differenet team.
Patrick Ewing was an old and injured player.
Anthony Mason, Xavier McDaniel, Mark Jackson, Doc Rivers. All these players were not on the team.
Anyone that thinks Jordan's era was 'weak' has clearly spent too much time in THIS era
Yeah ive never heard of jordans era being weak, think people just making shit up to get some views at this point.
The reason people say the era was weak is because the league added 6 teams and thinned the benches. The European players weren't good enough to fill the void for about 10 more years. This video ignores the reasons people have cited, and picks dumb reasons so he can easily defeat the arguments. Compare 80s roster depth to 90s roster depth and you can see how thin teams were spread. Stockton and Malone couldn't get out of the second round in the 80s. Those teams had All-Star supporting casts Mark Eaton, Jeff Malone, & Adrian Dantley. The 90s Jazz teams made the finals twice with Greg Ostertag & Bryan Russell as starters. This isn't a knock on Jordan- you play who you play, but when the Celtics are bringing Hall of Famers McHale and Walton off the bench, or the Lakers with All-Stars Michael Cooper, Bob McAdoo and Jamal Silk Wilkes coming off the bench and you compare that to teams who start Ostertag, David Benoit, Russell, Kevin Duckworth, Jerome Kersey, Terry Teagle you can see there's a huge discrepancy in talent and depth.
Bo Fletcher Once the worldwide talent pool started to catch up the league absolutely got deeper
No, we watched basketball in the 80's.
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As a 42 year old that grew up watching that Era of basketball... This is spot on! Well done!
Athlete's today are infinitely greater today that's not me saying it watch the sports interviews of players from the 80s and 90s they say Jordan was the 1st superior athlete with great fundamentals and there were only a handful of athletes in the game let alone that also had a great skill set today that superior athlete is about 4 superior athletes on every team the number of taller players that could dribble and shoot is astronomical so u can sit there and believe the game has not evolved I guess you one of those dudes that believe Jordan could guard KD,Lebron,or Yannis when he couldn't guard Magic and pippen had to stick him and magic not even a great scorers so sad
@@titandmc8111 of course over time the athleticism improves it has since the beginning of sports. But that's not what the video was about. It wasn't about athletes it was about the quality of the opponents for the Era and quite frankly alot of these players today may be more physically gifted but they'd be knocked on their ass so much they wouldn't know what to do. And as far as the Jordan guarding Johnson. It wasn't that he couldn't guard him because Mike is one of the best defensive players of all time, no person with basketball knowledge would deny that. It was about pippen being a bit bigger and longer than Jordan not his inability to guard him. That was the luxury of having two of the best perimeter defenders of the Era. And yes Jordan would be able to guard a kobe.... Giannis and lebron would be a tough match up simply because of size. Just like kobe would have a hard time guarding lbj or giannis due to the size. Not saying he couldn't but logically why put a 6 ft 6 guy on a damn near 7 footer in giannis or on a 6 ft 9 in guy in lbj?
@@titandmc8111 false wrong information
Jordan could guard magic in the 91 finals
And Ofc he would be able to guard those player you mentioned
Pippen only guarded magic for the most of game 2
Jordan still guarded him for the most of the finals
In game 3 for example, Jordan held magic to 0-0-0 in OT after pippen fouled out
Magic numbers went down in the finals compared to the first 3 rounds
Rounds 1-3
22.9 ppg, 12.7 apg, 3.9 topg on 44%
In the finals
18.6 ppg, 12.4 apg, 4.4 topg on 43%
Magic had -4.3 ppg and + 0.5 topg compared to the first 3 rounds
In 91 magic once became the only player to average 20 ppg -10 apg in an NBA finals with 21.8 ppg and 12.6 apg
Stop spread shit if you don't know what you are talking i already told you yesterday on another post , MJ could keep up and dominate in any era
Jordan haters are clueless and dumb no matter their age
@@MrFantastic23 As u are a little younger than me but old enough to know size matters of course Jordan was a great defender but he was a guard (yelling out loud)6"6 215 size mattered Rodman stuck malone not Jordan because he couldn't as for the guards or the 80s or 90s please weakest group of compared the guards that came later face it the guards after Jordan are far greater than guards of that time not saying greater than Jordan the 2000s boast greatest shooter,closes 2nd guard to jordan,3rd & 4th greatest
2 guard,the greatest small forward 2nd greatest small forward and 3rd greatest small fw please the 2000s have produced more of the greatest players ever so 80s90s golden please
@@titandmc8111 I think we're getting lost in the weeds here. The post wasn't saying anything about it being a better time. It was disproving the notion that it was weak. Which it wasn't. The point was that the teams Jordan faced were for the Era, and arguably overall, some of the best and in a few cases better than the Bulls.
We can get into a debate about what era has/had the best players etc but as Bill Russell once said(not exact quote) don't get too wrapped up in comparing players from different era's because ghosts can't play.
You didn't even mention the Eatern conference teams of the era that he had to beat to get to the finals: the 97/98 Pacers, the Orlando Magic of 94/95, the Knicks of 91-94 and of course the Pistons
Exactly. You could make a case for the ECF being harder for the Bulls in the 90's than the Finals were. Especially those NY/Chicago series of the early to mid 90s. And you forgot Alonzo's Heat teams with Tim Hardaway as well.
All those teams were not great maybe 1 hall of fame player each on those teams
Don't forget the Mark Price Cavs
@@melvynsngltn27 They were all 50+ win teams with more than 1 hall of famer what? It's not about the Hall of Fame, its about how the team works with each other and how good their offense/defense is. Take a look at the Lakers right now, they have 5 Hall of Famers. But they arent even making the playin 😂.
@@broken78 50 wins means nothing alot of mediocre teams had good records
The LeBron stans don't wanna hear facts. They only try to downgrade Jordan's era because they can't make a case for LeBron otherwise.
Only difference is Mj was the super team /dynasty !!! Case close 💯. Only players who ain’t never watch the NBA before Kobe would keep their mouth shut and agree to this . Lebron took 6 spoons , 4 trash bags and 2 water bottles to the finals several times , while Jordan needed pippen to get out the first round , also when mike got suspended for gambling and owing money to drug dealers the bulls still had a good record with out MJ let’s just say 3 game difference . We can’t act like this ain’t happen and yes Jordan was on another level but so it’s lebron . When people try to blemish LBJ the goat to big up MJ that’s when they argument go down south . Now LBJ still playing and he still got more time to do even More damage to MJ legacy he already passed him on everything else except for tittles . But since we talking tittles and that’s ya only argument like a jealous girlfriend who can’t take no for a answer than bill Russell the goat we can’t act like there’s ain’t one guy out there who won 11 rings out of 13 finals .. some about 11 that beats 6?🤔 last thing LBJ never got in trouble while being in the nba , MJ got in trouble several times and was supposed to get kicked out the league but some how they pamper him and change the rules to benefit MJ to elevate the league because if mj was playing now and did that bye bye mj 🤣🤣🤣 I’ll leave you girls alone to argue this one lol
@@EmbraceThePain Where's your proof that MJ was suspended? If you don't have any, then all you're doing is passing off speculation as fact and it damages your credibility. People keep talking about how LeBron keeps bringing trash teams to the Finals year after year but that's only been true maybe twice. The other times he's had hood teams around him, especially all four years in Miami. LeBron has not nor will he ever damage Jordan's legacy. Doesn't matter how much he adds to his overall stats, his time to surpass Jordan is done and gone. LeBron has choked in the playoffs before, and Jordan never did.
@@EmbraceThePain And y'all need to have a conference and figure out when basketball is and isn't a team game. Y'all love to say how it's 100% LeBron whenever his teams have any success, but when they fail it's because he had no help. Y'all make it seem like basketball is an individual sport up until the Finals, but that winning it all is a team effort. Y'all need to get your shit together for real. Too many contradictions.
Damn nobody else here !!? I’ll save my argument for when others come in here . I don’t like to bring out truth and facts to a person that’s dickmatize by MJ ...you’ll never win no matter what . But that’s your opinion , the proofs are all there but , it’s on you to let your common sense work 😅🤷🏻♂️
@@EmbraceThePain All you're gonna do is compare stats with no context, compare their teammates, then trash Jordan's era while elevating the era LeBron plays in. That's all you guys can do. I've heard everything you guys can possibly say and it makes no difference. I've watched both of them a lot and I'd go with Jordan 11 times outta 10. LeBron has folded more than once when it mattered, and Jordan never did. So yes let's agree to disagree because you're never gonna change my mind. The only person that can change my mind is LeBron himself since he does still have a chance to claim the GOAT title, although it is gonna be extraordinarily difficult.
This is the best breakdown of this conversation ever!!!!! You the real MVP Sir!
Jordan Critics - Dennis Rodman was too old on the Pistons in 1991. That was why Pistons lost to the Bulls. Rodman was 29 years old in 1991 and just won back to back DPOY.
Jordan Critics - Jordan had a super team with Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman. Rodman from 1996 to 1998 was 34 to 36 years old and even played on the bench in the 1998 season.
Logic - So Rodman was too old in 1991 as a 29 year old DPOY, but somehow found the "fountain of youth" in 1998 as a 36 year old bench player? LMAO this is the ultimate proof that some Jordan Critics are delusional!!!
Who has ever said that?
Alexander McDonnell Nba Twitter lol
@@alexandermcd who has ever said that? Are u living under a rock?
Ludi THANK YOU!
Shannon Sharpe spreads these lies to make a funny show. He also says Magic was old... lmao Magic was a MVP candidate that 90/91 season and in the finals was putting up better numbers then he was on average in his career. One game he hat 20 assists.
I'm guessing anyone who calls this era weak was actually too young to have watched 90s basketball
Not too young to understand that MJ didn’t stand up for his teammate(contract). Just so he can have better team than the rest of the league.
Usually, they're LBJ fanboys who clutch at straws to big up their guy!
@@alexandrossimitzis146 jordan fans literally doing the same thing nowadays, bro had to make a whole video do try to debunk something thats not even a myth. Lebrons era of ball cant even be compaired to this era of ball. so many players har roster spots and are now hof strictly off defending players with weak bags, bigs were post made and defending post moves as a tall 7 foot center isnt hard at all. So many players are all time greats in this weak era simply off size or weak skillsets compaired to todays era.
@@unforgettable8160not true, Centers like Hakeem Olajuwon, Pat Ewing, D rob had very accurate Weapons outside of Post. Steph curry has made 3 more valuable so if you put them into todays Era. Someone like Hakeem will get a lot more points since they will empathize the 3 which he was shockingly a bit decent at.
Also, Not as dangerous in the mid range in modern era & no hand checking. Someone built Like KD with a jumper is essentially unstoppable. Same would apply for Hakeem.
Watched Jordan in the 90's and think it was a weak era
Clyde did win one, though. With Olajawon, who is also largely forgotten.
I clicked like on your comment, although I would disagree with Olajuwon being largely forgotten, at least not with basketball fans. Hakeem, Bird and Jordan have the best highlights IMO.
He's not forgotten, people knows who he is. Clyde on the other hand is underrated.
@@iamhungey12345 I haven't forgotten any of them.
@@iggyblitz8739 Exactly, who the hell would? Only reason for one to forget them due to them being overshadowed. Even then it would have apply to Drexler thanks to certain someone in the same position he played. No one however forget who Olajuwon was.
@@ronmexico8383 Keep pushing with assumption but they're not forgotten, they still get talked about and in the case of Belle, negatively due to his reputation.
There were so many Hall of Famers and guys named to that Top 50 Greatest players list from Jordan's Era alone that you forget because Jordan beat them all.
Facts
@T Dillinger Julius Erving
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Charles Barkley
Clyde Drexler
Patrick Ewing
Karl Malone
Shaquille O'Neal
Hakeem Olajuwon
Scottie Pippen
David Robinson
John Stockton
Larry Bird
Isaiah Thomas
James Worthy
Mosses Malone
Players who made the 50 greatest players list from the NBA 50th anniversary team from the 80's/90's. Remember Jordan played 85-89 during the 80s and 90-98 during the 90's. Players who could have made the list: Dominique Wilkins, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson,Gary Payton,
@T Dillinger clown
@T Dillinger 🤡
@@jaelmore6456
*So you're saying the Suns he played in the 93 finals "were garbage" when they went 62-20 and had MVP Charles Barkley and Dan Majerle as their two all-stars. And the 96 Sonics who were "decent" went 64-18 and had DPOY Gary Payton/Shawn Kemp as their all-stars. Of the "Terrible" Jazz team that went 64-18 in 97 had MVP Karl Malone/John Stockton as all-stars and 98 Jazz team who went 62-20 and beat and swept the young upcoming and Lakers team with 4 all-stars Shaq/Kobe/Van excel/ Jones in the playoffs lol? Ok dude*
This video is the difference between people who have legitimate arguments with good evidence and backing vs. people just being trolls/lazy with their statements.
46bgn A. Old rules new NBA would get they're ass kicked
Aka Shannon Sharpe and Nick Wright
Debate really is, who's #2 behind jordan? My vote's kareem
Jordan's era is a weaker era compared to lebron's because the athletes have better basketball skills, rules adjustments, basketball iq vision, competition,medical assistance, grasp to the game, stronger, faster, game strategy, coaching, skills such as dribbling passing, etc etc etc. Kobe have better competition and have better assistance than mj. Mj is still the top overall if you would analyze and compare not just by comparing the eras and competition but because of how he played the game. MJ is still the goat and might be the last bball goat because of how the game is being played and the business is being rolled.
@@fredtacang3624 true my number 2 is kareem
Johnny does a great job at shredding that myth. I really don't understand why people make these idiotic attempts to minimize Jordan. The guy was amazing. No matter how you look at it he delivered for his team time and time again.
Not to mention Dominique Wilkins and the Atlanta Hawks also had a tough team as well.
ewing and the knicks as well.. pacers.. hornets.. heat.. all played the bulls tough..
What about that David Robinson spurs team? Haha As a Bulls fan growing up, I never liked it when they played them. Also Denver with Mutombo+Abdul Rauf or Milwaukee Bucks. Sleeper teams that would scrap their way to wins
You guys name these teams and their one player.... who was on that Atlanta team?
@@maverickrod2443 Mookie Blaylock (13.8 pts, 9.7 assists) Stacey Augmon (14.8 pts) Kevin Willis (19.1 pts, 12 reb) Danny Manning (15.7 pts and 6.8 Reb).. that was 1993-1994 season.. each one of those players was at least a one time allstar..
@@maverickrod2443 and Dominique avg a LOW 24 pts that year..
You're points are spot on. Clide the Glide was my father's favorite player back then. Those that did not live in that era have no idea of the talent that was out there. I'm so glad I grew up in the 80's.
Thank you sir.
Weak era?!? Anyone claiming it was a weak era is 12 or basketball illiterate.
Racerdude777 Maybe I spend too much time on instagram, because I definitely hear it a lot. Lol. I also feel like I’ve heard Colin Cowherd and Shannon Sharpe make the claim too
@@jonnyarnett, the say it because its true. The 1990's were a good era for basketball, but talent was diluted by expansion and that led to much weaker teams than in the 1980's. That said, the eastern conference during the LeSuck era was the weakest single conference I have ever seen.
@@jonnyarnett Jordan haters like to discredit Jordan but this era was far away from weak
Lots of big man and defensive players, Jordan was guarded by the most dpoy players in nba history
Jordan dominated in the 80s even if he didn't win a ring
Example the 93 suns equal the 2017 warriors
Ppl are dumb, Shannon and nick Wright are lebron dickriders only those claim it and Ofc clueless Jordan haters
Racerdude777 ☺
Lmao Jordan never beat Larry bird never beat Kareem, took him like 4 tries to beat the bad boys, lost to shaq and penny. Lol the best player in the era he dominated was karl malone. Lmao never faced a player as good as Kevin Durant. Steph curry is better than literally every single PG in the 90s foh dickriders
Mitch Richmond is a good example of a forgotten player. Top scorer, amazing defender. Pretty sure MJ said he was the best defender who ever played on him
The Rock... I loved that guy.
Joe Dumars was.
Joe Dumars was the best defender against Jordan. That came out of Jordan's mouth.
He got lost when he switched to the Kings…the NBA black hole at the time. People also forget other good players like Rolando Blackmon, Jim Jackson, Danny Manning, and Alvin Robertson. There were great players everywhere that could fill up stat sheets AND play defense.
@@vincentmcshan3388 There was also a barely average player who for some reason guarded Jordan very well. Rolando Blackman.
MJ was so great Everybody thought he played in a weak era. Let that sink in he was far to good in his prime and days
ĐIŒ wow love your comment! Lol
Your right Charles Barkley and a bunch of 30 year olds were one of the strongest finals teams ever, I mean they won two games against the bulls, I think they should have won it all.
ĐIŒ You have to realize people are so used to this era’s best player losing so much they can’t wrap their minds around the best player actually winning.
markmac no shit they made the greatest 50 in that era 😂
This 💯💯💯
The problem with Jordan was, he was just too Dominant. He took the Crown in 91’ and never let anyone take it. He went 6-0 in the Finals. Because of that, players of the opposing teams never got the credit they deserved. He faced great players on very good teams. Also remember, back then the East was the dominant conference. The Bulls had to beat great teams just to get TO the Finals. He didn’t have a cakewalk to the Finals…...like other great players did……..
Example, let’s say Jordan was less Dominant and had the same winning % in the Finals that Lebron has, that being .333%. That would mean Jordan would be 2-4. Let’s say he wins in 1991 and 1996, and losses in 1992, 1993, 1997, and 1998. Imagine how differently everyone would see those Teams and Players on those teams, even though they'd be the EXACT same teams. Only difference in this scenario is Jordan being less Dominant. Charles Barkley would be an NBA Champion the year he also won MVP. His career would be Complete!
Same with Clyde Drexler. Imagine how he’d be viewed today if he had defeated Jordan in 92’! He’d have bragging rights and would have gotten his revenge on Jordan that year. Because that year Jordan won MVP…….2nd in voting was Drexler!
The ones that would be lifted up the most would be John Stockton and Karl Malone. They’d have beaten Jordan and the Bulls in back to back years! Two titles against Jordan. Both of those players All Time Rankings would Skyrocket the most. Both would be Top 10 Players ever!
Just think, in that scenario, Malone would not only be the NBA’s 2nd All Time Leading Scorer, but he’d be a Two Time Champion with at least one Finals MVP award. While Stockton, who is the All Time NBA Leader to both Assists AND Steals would also be a 2 Time NBA Champion!! Try to think about them all time had this happened. Had Jordan not been so Dominant.
Had Jordan not been so Dominant, those teams would have beaten the Bulls, and would be seen so Differently. People would be saying “Well, yeah, Jordan lost 4 times in the Finals and only won twice, but look at the Great Stacked teams he went up against!”
But……that didn’t happen. Why? Because…….Jordan Proved to be Too Damn Dominant. He did not allow players to become Great on his watch. No Excuses needed for him. 6-0………..think about that.
Compare that to Lebron. Too many apologists say “Well yeah, he only won 3 times, but look at the Great Stacked teams he went up against!” But would anyone be saying that those teams were so great if lebron had been too Dominant (like Jordan) and beaten those teams? No! Because had lebron won, those players all Time Ranking does not get elevated like it is now. Everyone would say Curry is a Choker. They’d say Durant couldn’t win with Westbrook and Harden, or with Curry and Thompson. Those teams and players would be seen the same way they see the teams that lost to the Bulls. Jordan and his Bulls teams would have defeated all the Teams lebron lost to. Jordan would have turned those GS teams into the NBA's version of the 90's Buffalo Bills.
It’s as if…...people want to give less credit to Jordan BECAUSE of how truly Dominant he was. He made it look too easy. They want to penalize him for it, and elevate others that ALLOWED other teams and Players to BECOME Great. Jordan didn’t allow that to happen……….the only players Jordan made better were his own teammates, not the opposing players. Lebron on the other hand, elevated players on the other teams by losing to them..............think about that........
BTW, had Jordan gone 2-4, would he be seen as the GOAT? Because some want to say Lebron is the GOAT.......even though he has only won 3 Titles and is 3-6 in the Finals.
Master Spade Good outlook
Finally someone with some basketball knowledge. Thank u so much for explaining that VERY WELL to these young Lebronze fans. He simply isn't on Jordans level. I'm 41 and watched MJ from '87 on. I've seen both of their careers and there not even close if u ask me. Idc about what stats say.
Finally a high value opinion
Spot on. Been saying this for years
Very great
Man, keep spittin’ these fax. Mike kept so many guys from achieving Legend status
This is something that the media and others forget so much about! The real reason why Lebron is facing more HOF's is because he ALLOWED them to become hall of famers on his watch! MJ shut dont many a future hall of fame candidate because he beat them and left them running back to the drawing board still looking for the answers
I always bring up the Dream Team when they say Jordan never faced talent.
From NA only. HA now we have all kinds of talent in nba from all kinds of countries.
@@Joji_14 there has always been foreign players
This is actually a great video..You went the extra mile to prove what viewers back then knew very well.. The new fans just spit out regurgitated statements made by media lackies like nick wright, who didn't even watch basketball in the 90s. Thank you for your effort here..It shuts those putzes down.
Your analysis is the winner.
The Bulls played and won in a tough era, the 90s were a golden era of the best 'Big Men' all time. Ewing, Barkly, Robinson,Olajuwon, Malone,Mourning, Shaq.. I can keep going but you get my point.
All those players you named are power forwards and centers name his competitors at his position............................ In the finals he went against old ass byron scott clyde drexler(he disrespected clyde for 6 games to his credit) dan marjle hershey hawkins and Jeff hornacek twice even in his conference john starks craig ehlo gerald wilkins Eddie jones(athletic but not much else) danny ainge 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀 He didn't play against anyone but dumars at his position except Reggie miller later( catch and shoot player) but overall from 84 to 96 eastern conference shooting guards don't compare to the class that started flowing into the league
he never faced Olajuwon.
@Lisa Rose You are a casual fan.
6"7 Clyde Drexler ( SG ) HoF
6"7 Reggie Miller ( SG ) HoF
6"5 Mitch Richmond ( SG ) HoF
6"3 Sidney Moncrief ( SG ) HoF and 2x DPOY.
6"3 Alvin Roberston ( SG ) 1x DPOY.
6"3 Joe Dumars ( SG ) HoF.
6"8 Steve Smith ( SG )
6"6 Allan Houston ( SG )
6"6 Dan Majerle ( SG )
6"6 Eddie Jones ( SG )
6"5 Latrell Sprewell ( SG )
6"6 Rolando Blackman ( SG )
6"6 Nick Anderson ( SG )
6"6 Doug Christie ( SG )
6"6 Ron Harper ( SG )
6"6 Jim Jackson ( SG )
6"7 Dale Ellis ( SG )
6"7 Reggie Lewis ( SG )
6"5 Paul Pressey ( SG )
6"5 Bobby Phillis ( SG )
6"5 Isiah Rider ( SG )
6"5 Kendall Gill ( SG )
6"4 Ricky Pierce ( SG )
6"4 Jeff Malone ( SG )
6"4 Jeff Hornacek ( SG )
6"3 John Starks ( SG )
6"3 Byron Scott ( SG )
6"3 Hersey Hawkins ( SG )
@@niweshlekhak9646 right that would've been the Bulls toughest finals match up
@Lisa Rose I have provided facts to prove you are wrong. MJ played vs great players.
You are the casual fan who just recently started watching Nba.
I watched the nba in the 80's and early 90's. When jordan retired I stopped watching. That's how good he was
Spinozin me too
Me 2
Kobe brought alot of that fire. He gets hate for copying jordan, but no one was able to come close but him. It was fun to watch his passion.
Spinozin same here
Same here
😂😂😂
The 90s were absolutely stacked with talent! Also, I love how people discredit the bulls for losing to the magic the year that MJ came back, but completely ignore the same Orlando team getting SWEPT by the bulls the following season. Crazy.
or the bronsexuals ignoring the fact that Scottie pippen was a draft pick and didnt join the bulls in his prime and when they won in 1991 pippen was just a good player. not a great player yet
What talent hahahah the best players were bigs you acting like people was pulling up from 35 back then
On top of that most teams were top heavy 1 bonafide hof 1 fringe all star, then a bunch throwaways
@@sirm.a.r.s4640So your definition of league-wide talent is people shooting from 35 feet? Buffoon.
Reggie Miller?
@@sirm.a.r.s4640the stats showed that players are not better shooters than they were 20 years ago. The players just attempted more. The league average of 3 point % still remains just about the same.
You just scored a subscriber in me...I was just breaking down the 90's era of ball the other day and this topped my points....Good vid!!!
Utah had Stockton and Malone during this era. There’s nothing weak about that.
Chicago had Jordan, pippen, rodman, grant, and Kerr . Jordans team had more fire power
@@jigglyjuice7907 you aee defenetly a lebron fan because grant wasn't in the 2nd 3 peat
@@petarmusa9761 I know. Duh
They were like chris paul and blake griffin of the la clippers.
@@Ironboy00
1998 WCF: Jazz vs Lakers ( 4-0 )
Lakers:
*Shaquille O"Neal - All-star 1998, Top 4 in the MVP vote ( 1998 ).*
*Eddie Jones - All-star 1998,*
*Nick Van-Exel - All-star 1998,*
*Kobe Bryant - All-star 1998.*
The Utah Jazz team beat Shaquille O"Neal and three other star players.
*Lebron James can"t even beat Dwight Howard.* Lebron has no chance against the Utah Jazz.
1998 WCSF: Jazz vs Spurs ( 4-1 )
Spurs:
*Tim Duncan - All-star 1998, Top 5 in the MVP vote ( 1998 ).*
*David Robinson - All-star 1998.*
Karl Malone defeated Tim Duncan and David Robinson.
*Prime Lebron James lost to 38-years-old Tim Duncan in the 2014 Nba Finals.*
This era sucks. Chuck up 3's is all they do. They walk every possession. No center match-ups, no physical play. Just a bunch of 6'6 3 point shooters. This isn't basketball. The 80's and 90's was true basketball.
this is just ignorant 😂😂
Sir you are right but prepare for idiots to troll you. Some idiot in one of the comments said no Center from 90s would mess with Anthony Freakin Davis 😂
if you like 7.2 feet and 350 pounds Centers messing with each other, just bring a basket ball in a zoo and throw it in the gorillas pit ..... A guy like shaq who cant even score a free throw ... THIS is "true basketball" ?? lol
Why can't they both be good era's!?! People are haters!!! The 90's were great, but today's basketball is excellent as well. People are just short sighted and have an obsessive need to argue nonsense.
@@jayzee7538 ....Lol.....Bill Laimbeer, Robert Parish and Kevin McHale would have Anthony Davis pissing his pants. Even Larry Bird would have him scared.
Back in the day they had something called enforcers.
Not to mention how INSANE the eastern conference was. Knicks, Orlando, Pacers, Detroit (who started the 90's with Isaiah and ended it with an ELITE Grant Hill), Miami (Tim Hardaway, Steve Smith, Alonzo Morning)
Shit you can talk about the path Jordan and Pippen had to go thru just to get to the Finals, those Knicks teams was fierce and hungry
Very much true. The Knicks definitely were one of the best teams in the 90's. When the Knicks got Larry Johnson,Allen Houston and Latrell Sprewell. They had the potential to beat the Bulls.
@@ktapreswreckd921v9 lol no, OP is talking about the early-mid 90s Knicks.
Also very untalented
Those Bulls vs Knicks games in the 90’s were epic and intense. I miss that level of competition in today’s gameplay.
@@BooHefner you’re calling a team with John starks, Xavier McDaniel, and Oakley and was led by all time great center Patrick Ewing that win 51+ games in the regular season like every year untalented huh and I bet you swear u know about basketball huh yeah ima need u to do ur research
No serious basketball fan thinks the Jordan era was weak. It was vastly superior to today’s watered down league.
Hand checking and bumping was allowed. Flagrant fouls rarely called. Throwing a hard elbow or a punch wasn’t an automatic ejection. The D was hellacious in the 80’s and 90’s, and Jordan still averaged over 30 a game.
Today’s league is set up to for high scoring and no one still comes close to Jordan’s efficiency rating. I could go on, but I see in the comments there are some real basketball heads that know what’s up.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I mean overall talent level and quality of teams. There was just more talent in the 80's. That said, there is NO question that 90's players were men. None of this flagrant two crap for a simple hard foul. And there some great basketball played in those days, weak era or no.
Robb Dark Look it up. Jordan had a career PER of 27.91, which is #1 all-time. And not just #1 all-time amongst SGs, but ALL TIME PLAYER, PERIOD.
So that means when he’s on the court and touches the ball, he’s the best ever at getting his team points. He had a career 50% (48.7) field goal percentage for his career, and that’s counting with the Wizards.
seb clot exactly
@@DRob_22, I'm not a big fan of PER. It's kind of just made up stats that can be weighed however the creator prefers. I think his 10 scoring titles, 5 MVP's, 14 all star games, 9 all defensive team appearances, one Defensive player of the year, 3 steals titles, and 6 finals MVP's says more about him than any made up stat.
True, he might not have won nearly as many titles in a more talent filled era, but championships are a team accomplishment, not an individual one. I don't think that would diminish him at all.
In fact, you could make the case that his best season was 1988. He won both scoring and steals crown, League MVP, Defensive player of the year, 1st team all defense, 1st Team All-NBA, all star game MVP, Slam Dunk Champion.... what more could you ask for?
this shit is so ignorant basketball isnt a contact sport so why shouldn't you get a foul a damn punch weak ass argument
If 90's was weak..then Jason Terry is the greatest of all time and the Dallas Mavericks 2011 team is the greatest team ever assembled😂 coz they sure CHOKED LeBron🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haha, exactly
Well said!!!🤙
Jerome Yudiet or the 04 pistons could be the greatest team ever with rip as the goat because they sure did CHOKED Kobe Bryant also😂🤣💯
the Mavs swept the 2 time defending champs lakers that year and beat a young OKC team with 3 future MVP's. So they aint that weak like what you are trying to make them look here
@@vincentlaw9006 all slow and seasoned, with 1 all star a sick Dirk and a Jason kidd leaning towards retirement lmao
James and the heat were up 2-1 he CHOKED that lead away, choked specially in the 4th quarters and lost 3 straight, got outplayed and outscored by bench warmer Terry,.. such a huge choke job will be remembered for ever
Lebum was to weak to lead the heat and win the series, he has no leadership qualities and also can't play D, another reason why he has a losing record, he is a talented loser
When I hear people say "Jordan's era was weak." I automatically disqualify them from the conversation because they play 2K all day and don't actually be in the gym putting up BUCKETS!
Do u
The one that KILLS ME is when people say he would struggle against today's "zone defenses." Do you see Kawhi Leonard, who's game is nearly identical to MJ during the second 3 peat struggling? Cause I sure as hell don't, in fact he's arguably the best player in the world right now and BEAT LBJ when he was at his peak. The narratives people make about Michael Jordan are utterly pathetic.
Not to mention the fact that Jordan faced zone defenses in college.
b atman teams don’t even play a real zone because while the illegal defense rule might not exist, the defensive 3 second rule does and it doesn’t allow a big man to camp in the paint and wait for someone to come to the hoop like centers in the 90s used to. Besides, rules like the illegal defense were made to protect big men, not perimeter players. Zones aren’t effective against perimeter players with good ball handling skills, it’s made to stop big men from dominating the post
@@dannyllerenatv8635 Zones were a novelty for a hot minute when they were officially allowed by the NBA, but it's rare for teams to play a true zone.
b atman because if a team does play a true zone, they will probably get whistled for a 3 second violation due to a defender or defenders loafing around the paint
@@dannyllerenatv8635 Yes, I got it, bro. I just remember the Mavs including zone defense as one of their tactics during the 2010-2011 season.
And this was just a summary of the finals matchups. Back then the east was stacked. Penny and shaqs Magic, Zo and Hardaway's Heat, Miller and Smits Pacers, Ewing, Starks and Houston's Knicks, the bad boy Pistons, The Cavs with Price, Ehlo and Daugherty, The Celtics, Etc. This era was absolutely loaded.
Not correct, Rob. The 90's was one of the weakest eras in NBA history and the east was the weaker conference of the two by far.
Bad boy pistons are an 80s team bro they were done by the 90s and all those others u mentioned except Orlando were ok teams that's it u do realize Lakers/Celtics and badboys won all chips except 1sixers as they aged off the scene the bulls were the best squad left there were no champions left all the teams Jordan beat were teams without chips except magic after he was sick
@@titandmc8111 The pistons were in the finals in 88 and then won the chip in 89 and 90 before the bulls made them irrelavent. Don't even play that "they were an 80's team" garbage. And if you were a fan of ball in the 90's you know those teams weren't ok. They all had top 50 ALL-TIME PLAYERS.
@@robholcombe3788 I'm not sure wat u responding to but my point was there are way more ALLTIME great players playing now then the 90s Jordan never faced a team with 2 current mvps in the finals he played 1 mvp on a team and he never had to guard them because he couldn't malone and Barkley pippen/rodman guarded them name me a team as stacked as the Spurs Jordan faced and won because my Celtics owned him beat him 6 times straight he never beat us the best Jordan ever faced in the finals was Utah who never won a chip and went only twice to the finals if they were so good when Jordan retired they would have won OH,by the way badboys had a 6 yr run of facing my Celtics one of the greatest teams ever then go through those Lakers another truly great team while beating the bulls after going to 3 straight chips and winning back to back then they lost to the bulls please the bulls had no comp after that all the teams left never won a chip
@@titandmc8111 head scratching comment full of inaccurate stupidity. You were definitely high during that era, if you were even there.
Best vdeo I've seen explaining the so called week era...great teams lost to an elite Player. I'll never forget those players...I remember.
Coach J They lost to an elite team, not player. Every commenter is clueless, I’m sorry. The Bulls were an elite offensive and defensive team, and had tough battles in the east, but every single finals series was a joke. The West sucked at the top end.
finally, someone who remembers other talents who seem people already forgotten.
i have watched the 80's 90's 20s and till today and only true NBA fan will know the differences on each era.
The year the Bulls won 72 games, they swept the Orlando Magic in the Eastern Conference Finals, a Magic team of Shaq, Penny, Grant, Nick Anderson & Baron Scott that won 60 games that year. In the Bulls 6th Finals against the Jazz, that Jazz team swept the 62 win Lakers that had Kobe and Shaq. That's how good the competition was back then.
Great video Jonny!!
Thanks! You’re spot on btw. If I broke down all the stacked Eastern Conference teams that they went through, this video would be darn near a half hour long. Hornets, Pacers, Knicks, Heat, Magic, etc.
EL True...the 98 Lakers had 4 all stars that year with Shaq, young Kobe, Eddie Jones and Nick the Quick.
And 96 Sonics had 3 allstars in Kemp, GP, Detlef that beat 2 hall of famers in back to back series to get to finals. Rockets with Olajuwon and Drexler, Jazz with Malone and Stockton.
I never heard of the LeBron Rules. The Jordan Rules WAS actually a thing...
Lebron rules :
- close the paint
- let him shoot or pass
(c) '07 Spurs and '11 Mavs
@@sticky-fingers Thats called a gameplan for alot of players who can slash.
@@mrblend who can ONLY slash
@@sticky-fingers How about shitty shooter? does that help you.
You mean that rule that let's him travel on 99% of the times he touches to ball LOL
Try again
In the 90’s I knew at least 3 or four players names on every single team. Now I only know like 10 players total.
lol me too...well other than lebron, steph curry and klay..im clueless.
I knew the starting lineup for every team... today no more than 2 ppl on 10 teams
Me too and those 10 players are not in the level of legends
Did you play NBA Jam?
thatone guy what teenage boy didn’t play NBA Jam in the 90’s? NBA, MLB were more popular than the NFL in the 90’s.
People that say it's a weak era knows nothing about basketball.
I read a couple Bleacher Report articles from this ignoramus who said that Jordan dominated a weak era because the Bulls dominated and that there were no other great teams, which is just objectively wrong and can be proven false by doing research and watching the games.
He also had his record breaking 63 points in a playoff game in the 80s
Only 20 years from plumber years not that much of a difference
@@lurdzz8534 haha seriously? Do you have any better argument?
And lost don’t forget that
@@lurdzz8534 bruh you dumb that's like saying that kobe's 81 points dosen't matter cause it was 20 years from the 80s and since that was only 20 years from plumber years that means that it's not great
And lost the game
What makes me laugh about the idea that Jordan started winning when the great teams got old right.. bt no one wants to talk about lebron besting the old spurs or the old Celtics or dominanting the super weak raptors. Or in general him making 8 straight finals in the east that I could argue was the weakest it had ever been😂
What's really funny is that people never bring up the fact that LA wasn't at full strength when the Bad Boy Piston's beat them in the Finals, or that the Piston's pretty much beat a before-their-prime 1990s Blazers team that primed up in 92. Yet, the Bulls get no credit when they played these teams under similar/increased circumstances. Go figure!
kcire10 10 welp that’s lebron stuperfan 101
kcire10 10 right😂
Old spurs? let me check their ages.
Your stupid.Duncan-37)(manu-35)lebron haters always lieing and lebron fans know and see this.learn more before posting idiot.
Because of MJ, Hall of Famers such as Ewing, Barkley, Miller, Stockton, Malone and other Greats never won a Ring.
Man, I was a die hard suns fan! KJ and majerle were awesome! I loved Barkley as well and it killed me when they lost. I actually hated Jordan until his actual comeback in 96 because everyone seemed like bulls bandwagoners. Looking back on that era and finding videos like this reminds me how awesome the guy was. As you said, the average championship team had at least three supporting cast members, Jordan could quite literally win the game or at least keep his team afloat until their offense started, single handedly.
Thank you for this. Too many bronsexuals trying to rewrite history like Nick Wright and Shannon Sharpe
well, at leat they make Skip a total genius. :)
This coming from Jordansexual
@@mikekillagreen9432 fail. Move along little boy.
@@286mic Your mother knows Im not a little boy. Go play in traffic dumbass
@@mikekillagreen9432 jordansexual? havent heard of it... weirdo
The 80's and 90's were The greatest most purest era of the NBA and I feel so fortunate to have grown up and witness it all. Awsome video!🏀🏀🏀🏀
Edit: Basketball in the 80's and 90's was a great product, but the talent level of the average team declined in the 90's due mostly to the addition of the four expansion teams. The lower talent level resulted in a focus on defense and made the game even more physical.
@@sebclot9478 ?
This sentence makes no sense. Neither grammatically or objectively.
@@ryanjustice6049, quite correct. Let correct that. Thank's for pointing out the error.
Tyrus more people than ever play basketball so how are the 90‘s better ?
I totally agree
And also was more physical than today. The golden age of the NBA has passed.
The era of MJ and the competition he faced was far greater than what we see today.
None of the teams jordan faced could touch the 2014 Spurs or KD Warriors the closest team to those teams were the 86 Celtics and he got swept
@@JJJJ-he8bz
Haha!! Wait what!? You think the Pistons weren’t better than SA and GS. The Pistons would of sh&@ on both teams. And Lebron wouldn’t of been able to beat the Bad Boys in 91 with any of his super teams. Lol!!! Not to mention James has to play with at least two other all-stars to get over the hump.
James has had the benefit of playing in a softer league that relies heavy on shooting. You cannot physically impose yourself defensively and we watch AAU basketball. Lol!!! You must be certifiable.
@@Kalmar917 man quit living in the past that Warriors team was a singularity without an injury and the Spurs in 2014 had 4 hall of famers in a hall of fame coach and won 5 championships the pistons are touching those teams put all the players labron faced and Jordan faced on one team and there’s no way in hell it’s close
@@JJJJ-he8bz
Your delusional. So James who is the biggest baby in the league in which has not been the best in the league or better put can be arguably the best compared to Jordan who was hands down the best player in the world. The GOAT no argument otherwise is less than James or had less competition. The same dude that had how man all Stars on his teams. Wait the guy that left Cleveland to Miami then back. Then to LA. And playing in a softer league. Please man go see a doctor to fix that head of yours. Tougher league, better comp and no babies allowed. Today we got a bunch of babies running around thinking they are men. James couldn’t beat the Pistons with his Heat, Cavs or this rendition of the Lakers. Let alone the Lakers of the past or even Kobe and Shaq. His teams wouldn’t of beaten Shaq and Penny. Wait what about Magic, Kareem, Cooper, Green and you think there weren’t super teams back then. The difference is those players had the balls to take their team to the promise land and I would say Isaiah and Jordan did it with the least in a much tougher and better league. Go get checked homie before they put that jacket on you.
@@Kalmar917 bruh ok😂😂 you lost all credibility with your biased hate you honestly telling the heat wouldn’t have beat the pistons with labron at his athletic prime? They would sweep them what are you talking about there is no one on the pistons that’s checking Labron and wade they getting shredded. Tim Duncan, Steph Curry, Klay Thomson, Kevin Durant, WestBrook, Hardin,Tony Parker, Manu, Kawhi, The Celtics big 3, Dirk and Jason kid that’s what labron faced 14 hall of famers😂 bye.
People who don't acknowledge how good the competition was in 80's and 90s don't know Basketball. The G.O.A.T MJ🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
the goats are were and will be wilt chamberlain and bill russell
The point you make at the end is spot on. Ive seen them all play. Jordan was a whole new level.
Because today's NBA is all about business that is why the competition is getting weak, not like before that all franchise wants to win a chip,.for me nothing can compares about 80s and 90s Era,. GREAT VIDEO BRO KEEP UT UP!!
Man this is a great explanation. Sadly the people today who want to diminish Jordan will not want to hear it. They only believe what they want even though it doesn’t make sense. U have an amazing coach in Utah with arguable the 2nd best point guard and 2nd best power forward OF ALL TIME on the same team with solid support pieces! AND PEOPLE TODAY WILL SAY THE Jazz were weak, even though they swept Shaq & Kobe’s Lakers with 2 other all-stars with them! They have no clue of how good Portland, Phoenix and Seattle were (I think those two teams are teams that would beat the Golden State Warriors of this generation).
Jordan scored 40 points as a 40 years old in the 21st century! Enough said!
I think that was against a stacked lakers against a prime kobe Bryant.
@@mkbzam wich that season was finalist
@@logankite1226 What was his shooting percentage?
TREMENDOUS video. I am a pretty old fan myself, and I remember it all. Those 90's teams Jordan beat were great teams.
In my opinion, the Bulls had the biggest problems with the Jazz in 1997 and 1998 Finals:
In 1997, Utah was that close to winning Games 5 (MJ's flu game) and 6 (the MJ assist to Steve Kerr for winning shot) to take the title in 1997 instead of Chicago.
And in 1998, it really should have gone to Game 7, but with the Bulls trailing by 3 off a Stockton three-pointer, MJ had a final 43 seconds for the ages to win Game 6 and the back to back threepeat, avoiding what would have been a Game 7 in Utah with Scottie Pippen hobbling.
Karl Malone is an 11-time 1st team All-NBA forward and John Stockton is the all-time leader in assists and steals. How could that Utah team be "weak" competition? Going to the 1998 Finals, they eliminated teams led by legends like Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler; David Robinson and Duncan; and Shaq and Kobe (the Lakers were even swept in the West final). Weak competition?! Really?
Those 1997 and 1998 Jazz, 1993 Suns and 1996 Sonics... just powerful teams. Among the best teams in history not to win the title. They all lost to Jordan and the Bulls.
MJ was the real deal. The GOAT.
you're right, the only team that the Bulls face in the 90s Finals is the Lakers in 1991, as said in the video, especially with James Worthy and Byron Scott being injured (I didn't knew that)
@@felixmartinez1100 Payton did such a good defensive job on MJ that it really was MJ's worse performance in a Finals series, and Dennis Rodman could well have been the Finals MVP due to how he intimidated Seattle with his relentless rebounding and defense.
Of course, "worse performance" for MJ still meant topnotch defense and leading the Bulls in scoring in all 6 games. He shot poorly in the clinching Game 6 (was it like 5-17) but still had 22 points and a near triple double. And an iconic image came after the final buzzer: him collapsing to the floor in tears and holding on tightly to the ball. That title was his first without his dad. It was for him.
True. Dont forget Indiana with Reggi and NY with Ewing that also was a strong oposition.
@@mobywatel7515 Ah yes! I forgot that it just wasn't the Finals opponents who were great. Eastern teams which the Bulls faced in the postseason in the 1990's like the Cavaliers, Knicks, Heat and Pacers were just great teams with very some very highly regarded players and coaches
The Blazers gave them hell,. Actually the Bulls toughest challenge were the Knicks in 92 and 93.
Not to mention, you could actually PLAY DEFENSE in the 90's. Now, you can't even look at a player and you get a foul called.
Hand checking, fouling, and beating people up because you cant stay in frony of them aint defense.
@@bigbabydogdawg4496 it is defense, it's called a MANS GAME, as for this time and era..its called a BITCHES game, so either you are with MEN..or with BITCHES, so who are you with?
LOL defense back then was shit you had to go one on one every time because of the zone defense rule😂😂
Yea but they didn't play much defense outside the Pistons and Bulls
@Kenneth Erickson - if you say so
The only people that think the 90’s was a weak era is a bunch of people that didn’t watch back then. Ever heard of the Dream Team? Greatest collection of players ever assembled
Jordan can score 50 without a single 3 points attempt 😁 How bout that 🤣
Olajuwon scored 48p without a single 3p or a single FT at the age of 34!! Now that's impressive
@Ramses Stafford it sure is impressive, but that's after two vacations and how many FT's?
@Ramses Stafford Jordan did that on my birthday too
@Ramses Stafford in 2001 Olajuwon was old and injured from actually carrying teams while Jordan got several years of rest on those knees! Funny how everyone says Jordan was out of shape but if you know Jordan, he was NEVER out of shape!
Thats cool but inefficient. Pretty startling how long it took the NBA to realize 3>2.
They called it original Dream Team for a reason. Legends in Jordan's era
Took the words right out of my mouth, and that was only 12 HOF'ers of tat era.
it's just the dream team ..
@@dayra6425 the dream team and multiple other HOF players. Something today's era isn't.
@@jayzee7538 I'm saying they aren't call the original dream team.. they are the dream team .. there will only be one dream team
@@dayra6425 oh gotcha. Sorry that was lazy reading on my part.
The competition was great, but he put it on a another level. His mindset, mentality is legendary. His peers were good also, his drive is to win, period was very high, off the charts. If you match his level, drive, he will respect you. His eyes was always on the prize, otherwise why are you playing. Him, Kobe Bryant, Magic, Larry Bird, Jerry West, LeBron, D Wade, many greats with that mindset. Good video!
I love hearing someone talk good about The Sonics. Thank you for that whoever made this video.
Help get them back, there's still thousands of us up here missing them.
Nah, it’s Vegas’ turn
Hot take….the Sonics should have beaten the Bulls in 96. Payton and Schrempf had bad series, and with Kemp really being the only one performing to expectations, they still pushed them to 6 games.
I was fortunate to watch basketball in that era. That was really the era where basketball was meant to be played, and not some players trying to get calls by jumping into players or flopping and shoot 3's.
Reggie Miller ha!
@@tzovlask I'm sure you notice Miller doesn't do it often until late into his career. He knows he won't get away with it from the Pistons and Knicks of old
wasn't MJ gettin ghost calls...and referee's were rigging games to make money?
The kind of play in the 90s didn't even have room for stat padding of this decade. teams here would get run out by the D of old before the superstars could even begin to think of stat padding lol
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@@Red4350 Hue Hollins
Jordan's in the Wizards.. was still playing Tracy, Kobe, Vince C.. Tim Duncan.. there's videos of him school them.. and nights where he won by nights of 50+ , All those stars never played at Jordan's level at that age.. every other great player .. when they are 39+ .. they suck.. 5 point games.. Jordan was always on another level.. if he didnt hurt his knees with the wizards.. who knows.. the improvement alone to the Wizards.. with 1 player MJ..
You forgot to mention "old" jordan
It's videos of Kobe killing him to..
@@sipboi Kobe never played prime Jordan and I think it's silly to blame Old Jordan for having trouble with young Kobe
@@jasonturner6459 to be fair, kobe was not in his prime either
Yocnnd yeah but he was closer than Jordan was
Great video Jonny, you eloquently described how great those teams are, to say Jordan face weak opponents is an understatement. Those teams were stacked in todays standard. I watched all those championships in the 90's, that's why I, became a Bulls fan...and of course my GOAT, MJ...all day all the way!!
Not to mention the eastern conf teams. NY knicks: ewing, starks, oakley, jackson...Reggie miller’s pacers, orlando magic with shaquille o’neal, penny hardaway, dennis scott......the list goes on and on
Even the hornets had curry's dad, Mourning, Mugsy, Grandmama!
Dennis Scott? Come on now
@@bean7039 Nick Anderson, Horace Grant!
@@armandodelossantos736 guess everyone forgot the scariest center of the nineties, rik smits!
Almost forgot about the 97 Miami Heat: 61 wins team with Zo Mourning , Tim Hardaway and the great Pat Riley as a Coach
Hakeem The Dream Olajowon, David Robinson, Grant Hill, Shaq, Penny and Patrick Ewing in their primes were Monsters! Look 'em up! That era was loaded!!
I don't deal in hypotheticals u or I don't know what 30 years will be.Right now any big is being brought out to the 3pt line they run a pick or screen causing a switch now that big is on shooter/penetrator and is getting cooked that's why GS is so good forget about there superior offense they have a transcendent defense klay,iggy,Draymond can switch to play any perimeter player.That's why they go small even playing teams with good centers now I hate GS but the whole lg is doing this now Whiteside from miami a couple years ago was going 20 and 15 became almost unplayable due to this tactic.Imagine how tired shaq would or wilt would be constantly being put in this situation this is major part of offense today.Please dont say this easy to stop cause nobody has what teams do is go small themselves because with the shooting range of today u must stay with the shooter if u get picked or double screened u have to switch or it's an open shot u watch the Portland GS game u need bigs that can cover perimeter players so since bigs can't really do that they become defensive liabilities that's today's game.I agree most transcendent players from any would great but player styles would not translate to today I personally believe LEBRON body type would have been great for the 80s or 90s 6"8 260 to 270
That was the weight of most centers and karl malone scored more points than Jordan in that era imagine wat LEBRON what have did so while I cant speak to 30 years from now I do check who are high schooler prospects and college for the next there are 3 dudes 6"7 6"6 6"5 that in the top 20 one is a 9th grader the other 2 are 8th grades
With guard skills u see the 7"3 kid in college with guard skills and a jumper THE FUTURE may be filled with Dirks and Durants
Malone, Drexler, Stockton, Kemp, Payton, Rodman, Barkley, Pippen, Miller ... there were soooo many
@@livefromhere1152 None of those guys u mentioned are in the top 5 ALLTIME they are great injuries robbed us of grant hill and penny but in the 2000s we seen Lebron,Kobe,KD,Harden,Kahwi,Steph I'm not even gonna mention others but these guys are greater than the 90s stars by themselves who can shoot better than steph who can pass an score like Lebron and lead lesser talent consistently name better 2 way players than Kawhi u would have to look to my list last but not least Kobe who everyone says is a copy of Jordan let's be serious the NBA is skill based now some say hard fouls of the 80s made it tougher well submit this not hockey
@@titandmc8111 and non of today Players are ln all time top 5. even not lebron or Curry.
@@livefromhere1152 u typing this with a straight face Jordan the only 90s great that can be mentioned with Bron,Kobe,Kawhi,KD,or Curry b serious give me your I really would like to see who u think are great from the 90s and 80s please dont list any bums that don't have at least 20,000 pts
Best breakdown I've ever seen
If Jordan's Era is weak, why was his team in the Olympics called the Dream team and from this generation the Redeem team?
Because in 2004 USA finished 3rd. LOL When they played in 1992 1st time they allowed pros to play in the USA team.
They were called the "Dream team" but at the time Magic and Bird were on their way out the door and Jordan was peaking.
@@sambeezy007 Magic was still competitive only was forced to retire due to HIV. Let reminds Magic did came back in 1996 where the Bulls dominated. Larry was forced to retire due to his back injury in 1993.
the talent was deep in the 90s. every team literally had 3 all stars look up those teams.
Robert Willis I try to explain this to my son snd I’m a female. I stopped watching after Jordan left and knew all the players on the teams.
@@changeiscoming3602 yep you a female for sure
Thats why its called golden era when all teams hane all star / candidates
EXACTLY!!
What You're Talking About?,Are You Blind?, Ok, Let Put It This Way!
Sixers 84 (M.Malone, Dr.J & C. Bartley) Vs Bulls (Any Prime You Want)
Celtics 86 (L.Bird, K, McHale, & R.Parish) Vs Bulls (Any Prime You Want)
Lakers 85 (K.Jabbar, M. Johnson, J. Worthy) Vs Bulls (Any Prime You Want)
I Want You To Put This In Your Tiny Mind! If You Put These Teams I Mentioned In 90s Era. For Sure! No Bulls Era Will Be Remembered In NBA History.
THANK YOU for this video! I'm so sick of people trying to make this claim, because they think this era has more stars than in the 90's. They always want to say MJ was being guarded by Jeff Hornacek disrespecting a man who averaged 15pts per game, shot 50% from the field and 44% from the 3pt line! People also forget about the real second best SG in the league after 92 Mitch Richmond!
Great video...Growing up in Chicago, it was all about the 85 Bears and the Bulls of the 90s...But let's not forget those Beefy eastern conference teams the Bulls had to go through,after the year they finally beat the Pistons...the Knicks were loaded,so were the young Magic team and the Pacers!
Jordan is like One Punch Man he just made it look too easy so people will not give him enough credit especially if your really into today’s style of play.
That is the first I've ever heard about him being in a weak era? Are these people serious? You just need to to look at the Barcelona Dream Team. Enough said.
Well said
Exactly
I’m not saying his era was weak but the current era is a lot better
Tf this eras defense is three times worse than the 90’s and many rules were made so it was easier to score in this era
@@Maigoniiis easier to play defense is a better interpretation of it
Best breakdown I have seen! Well Done! The media has simply forgotten how good the league was back then! or even how great MJ was! This whole James VS MJ debate is ridiculous! MJ dominated in every finals! You cant say the same for Lebron! nor his competition!
That Sonics team was scary !!!
And could have really won it too, if they hadn't made the suicidal decision to stop Gary Peyton marking Jordan.
When they played, he lowered MJ's average to a miserable 20 ppg. Sounds like some backroom deals went on if you ask me.
Lol mj was defended by a smaller payton no one to match pippen
@@lonestar6709 It was 27.3 but nice try
@@ricardosines4423 Pippen in the Finals Nba 1996 an average. 15-ppg fg-34% 8 rpg 5 apg
@@allanhouston6759 stats don't always tell a players impact on the game.you can have a stacked stat sheet and get blown out but u can have 15 points and 8 rebounds and win.everything doesn't show up in the stats
This argument worked both ways.
It was and still is a generational issue [most of the time] : younger fans believed everything before them was bad; older fans believed everything before and after their growing up years is bad.
I was born in 1970 and the false premises, half baked truth or bad memories was oftenly used by "old heads" in the 1970s, 1980s... Until now!
The sad truth is : life in general or basketball isn't getting better or worse. It's changing : rules, strategies, tendencies, coaching, training differed. It's different plain and simple.
It's sad, but in the 1980s, Wilt Chamberlain and multiple former stars were saying how : "it was better in our time"; "we were smarter"; "we had better fundamentals", "it was tougher and meaner"; "we didn't played for money."
Wilt Chamberlain stated in 1989 and 1997 that if he played in Jordan's era, he would had scored 70 PPG! While leading the league in blocks and rebounds. Jerry West agreed on that point!
It was heard every week on Roy Firestone's show... The problem, people forget. They don't remember.
And look. There are 1990s kids that will repeat the same old fallacies and premises I despised in the first place. No, NBA stars weren't better back then. No, NBA stars aren't better now. They développés different skills in order to dominate their basketball era.
Old vs new.
I love your statement, but no, mj would face better players in the 2000s and 2010s, he would face kobe t mac AI lebron kd curry harden westbrook, such talented players were not around during mjs time.
It was never a myth, it never had credibility. Its just something Bronsexuals with single-digit IQ said to throw shade at him:
*Shaquille O'Neal
*Hakeem Olaujuwon
*David Robinson
*Karl Malone
*Patrick Ewing
*Gary Payton
*John Stockton
*Charles Barkley
*Jason Kidd
*Rod Strickland
And dozens more Hall of Famers
You know why I Love this bcse wen I get into arguments with these guys of my age who try to deflate MJ is always ask them to tell me the name of any player other than Scottie n Horace who played with " Da Bulls " wen they Won their First 3 Rings and I never get an answer from anyone. So let's ask tht same question now give me names of any player tht played on the Bulls tht Won the First 3 Rings other than Scottie or Horace Grant bcse I kno wht the narrator said is " PERFECT " to a T
All they look at now is how the " Physical Skill " Stands Out, for instance Kyrie's Handles or the Size and Mobility of LeBron which you cnt take from him but look at Zion now right behind of him next thing in all reality you wanna tell me no one expected at least one player to strt playing ball with Street Handles or like The Harlem Globe Trotters a mean come on ppl, no one expected tht Big Men wudnt wnt to learn to Handle and shoot from outside like they do now so yes the era of play style has changed but to say tht the 80's and 90's were weak eras y'all need to just shut y'all " TRAPS ". I MEAN aftr seeing Magic n Penny play Point at their height who wudnt also wnt to be a 6'11 Point Guard
It is true compared to the decades that preceded the 90's. Im not sure it applies to today.
Bronsexuals is a classic, agree totally
@@sroland3533, John Paxon, BJ Armstrong, Will Purdue, Bill Winnington, Bill Cartwright, Craig Hodges, Stacy King, Cliff Livingston, etc.
after watching this video I just remember how powerful the teams in the 90's was, those superteams are like 2018 GSWarriors levels or even stronger but Jordan made them looks like an average team, thats how great MJ is.
it's like putting an F1 in a Nascar race, the difference in talent is so large.
You said Drexler never won a title... He was NBA champions in 95 with the Rockets
Neal W Thats just poor script writing on that part. I should have elaborated more on that point. What I essentially meant is that you have to win a title to get the credibility, or win a title as “the man”.
Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Clyde Drexler... those are all three guys who have rings, but they did it with different teams long after their prime. For example, If Drexler won one with the Blazers, Kidd with the Nets, and Payton with the Sonics, then their legacies would be held in a much higher regard.
@@jonnyarnett - good point but MJ never won a title without Pippen, can make the same point. They had to build a team to win a title in a lesser league that played little defense if any. And they got the best coach in the NBA at the time and the Bulls with Pippen were the 2nd best defensive team in the NBA behind the Pistons for a couple years.
@@brianreed1859 Didn't he covered this In the video already?.....Plus, Jordan was "the man" and In his prime the whole time. Them other players was not.
@@brianreed1859 prime jordan winning titles is in no way comparable to an old kidd winning one with 9ppg
@@frankiegunnz8066 - lol not in his prime the whole time. His numbers dropped some when he was 33 or so and during his time in Washington didn't have the same spring in his legs and was an average player. His athletic ability mostly made him what he was
Brilliant video mate, loved 80’s and 90’s basketball. More pure than what’s out there today. All the Lebron fans saying how many hall of famers he’s had to go against when they haven’t even been introduced into the hall of fame and probably never will is getting annoying. Those teams Jordan played against were well balanced because they didn’t create super teams then