Considering for the MASSIVE price difference compared to the Civic Si, it's such a relative minuscule step up in Acura "extras", I think Honda has doomed the Integra as a value proposition, so much so that if there isn't either a major feature set bump up by the 2024 year refresh, or a hefty price drop, I'd be surprised if it gets past this model iteration.
That seems to be the theme of the last 15yrs for Acura. Other than the SUVs, there doesn't seem much point, or in the case of the TL, it was f'in ugly. For the Integra, yes, it was always based on a Civic, but historically you always got a "better" engine in the Integra. They could have solved this by dropping in the 2.0T from the Accord instead of the 1.5T and that would make a compelling reason to get the Integra over the Civic Si. As it stands, meh.
Such a silly comment........You could spend nearly as much as an Integra on a Sport touring hatch.....one thing about TH-cam you're gonna have people that don't know cars(Hondas website could have easily shown you the SI isn't the most expensive Civic) commenting as if they're experts and tons of sheep people agreeing
I feel like and i could be wrong Zcura should have made it noticeably wider and lower similar to what BMW does with a base model 3 and an M3. Acura could have skipped on paper like they did power but it's presence would o carried clout
@@ftr911drvr I'm sorry, but it would appear that it is you that is uninformed. I just went to both sites and there is a 5K difference between the Sport Touring and the A-Spec. In this price category, that's not particularly close to being the same price. Whether someone thinks the extra 5K is worth it is a different conversation.
It really should have more HP. My 2002 RSX Type S makes 200hp, you'd think after 20 years they'd bump up the power. My guess is that they're saving the spicier motor for the Type S trim, and use the new Civic Type R drivetrain in that.
Very dissappointing,,,,, Even the 90's design looks a lot more futuristic and iconic... Similar to the big dissapointment from the release of the new Supra in 2020... What's going on?? They can't read/analyze what the majority of consumers are eagerly expecting from the manufacturers?? Come on...
Even at that point the car would be nearing $60k, and you would still only be 300hp, competing in a class with the stinger and IS500, it just won't be worth it
I worked in the auto industry for years running the back ends (service/parts). One of those was Falconi’s Acura of Las Vegas. Those were the last of the golden years of true Acura identity. We had the phase out of the old Integra into the new RSX. We had the NSX flagship and the TL and TSX coming into their own. I always had a civic hatch with a swap and even a 2000 Blue SI but with a full B18C swap for more torque and overall performance. Along with plenty of EG/EK’s from years past. I gotta tell you…. I was so hopeful Acura would wow us with a true Integra but I am left wanting. It’s sad. Acura lost its identity. Nothing about the car screams Integra. It’s so boring. Aesthetically it’s a let down. It may drive nice and have a LSD but the oversight on things like the clutch pedal clap back is telling. I wish Honda would understand what their true audience wants at least to be available…. A cheap hot hatch with a stout chassis and strong drivetrain… like the K-Series… and then do a true u issue line of luxury sedans for Acura and diffuse those down into the accord and 4 door civic. Just give us a cheaper basic hatch; power windows, AC, strong K like engine and maybe a head into that can tie into phone easily. That’s it. Price that competitively and it would sell well and inspire a whole new generation to revive the brand. There’s no way anyone is looking at the Integra saying I want to customize that.
Honest it was a joke there was no review and there comparison is for Canadians were the US Si is like buying a entry level car it has no features it is a joke. Obviously the better deal is loaded Canadian Si that you can't get in the US. So After this trash I will not be watching this crap they post anymore its worthless they no nothing about cars its getting frustrating to watch.
Historically the Integra has always been a "slightly" nicer optioned civic at a higher price. Biggest bummer right now is that manual is only offered in the top trim.
looking at the integra as shown in this review and my experience owning a Civic HB sport. It really does seem like an SI with nicer interior. Like an SI touring. I still kinda wish I had the money/patience to wait for the Integra but this also make me appreciate my civic a little more.
They're saving it for the Type S. By holding back now, they'll sell more base Integra's just from the name/hype alone, then when the hype dies down they release the Type S and watch the sales pick up again.
this is why I struggle to like Honda… the engines are just embarrassingly small most the time. I’m on the fence about 2L turbos but a 1.5 is really a lawnmower engine
In my area barely-used Integras can actually be cheaper than used Si's. I got my manual Integra for $33k with only 2400 miles. Si's here can be more expensive with 20k miles
The interior looks decent, I just wish the exterior had a more distinctive look and dynamic, ambitious visual design language - something more reminiscent of the old Integra. As it is it fails to catch my eye; it just looks like every other sedan on the road.
@@ramennoodlz It's exactly that.....A Mini ILX. Acura blew it. Toyota almost blew it but put a Manuel in the Supra so it's ok now. Nissan got the revival right Z. Lamborghini got it right Contach. If you gonna revive a car....revive it right.
I was a defender of this car. But at 43k? Nope! Either go nuts on power. Or go insane on luxury. But acura went bland on both! An Si makes more sense. Geez even a typeR!
Imagine 21 years later after the last integra was built , they come back with 200hp 🤣 with a lawn mower 1.5 in a heavy ass tank , they really dropped the ball on this one
This is easily faster than a base integra from 21 years ago which had 142hp and nearly half the torque of the new one A ssimple e30 tune on this car with a down pipe can make 280whp/340wtq and demolish an old Integra RS/LS/GS/GSR and Type R from 2001
Finally. A review that doesn’t try and gloss over what this really is. A Civic Si that is what the the 11th gen Civic Si should have been from the beginning, heated seats, adjustable suspension, things the 10th gen had but had taken away only so they can charge a premium for the Integra, and charge 10k more. They’re right. Unless you want a better radio, a CVT, or leather seats save your money.
I think there’s product position considerations between the Si and the Integra…but also consider than the Si went up about 10% over 2 years (from 10th gen to 11th)….they took away driving lights, heated seats and adaptive dampers but they gave the buyer: 1. A stiffer chassis 2. Improved shifter. 3. Improved steering and 4. Retuned engine for more real world available torque 5. Materially different styling The first 4 items are a matter of prioritizing the driving experience over creature comforts The last one is subjective….some might find the new Si boring. I find it more understated and without some of the styling cues that seem juvenile. Consider the MSRP in the context of the avg new car price of $46k Dealer markup is irrelevant since that’s just a supply/demand issue. Within a year, the Si will be routinely had for list
@@stms4411 except the fact that other countries like canada get those options in the si for the same price in america, where as in america they take it out to justify the price of the integra. Your better off buying the si from canda than in america or the older gen si
@@TheBreakfastLover The point is it’s still a 40 thousand dollar car for a 1.5 L engine and 200 HP. That’s gotta hurt when paying that 700 dollar car loan every month
It's not a horrible looking car, but I doubt this was originally an Integra. It honestly looks like an ILX. But when Toyota brought back the Supra, and Nissan upgraded the Z, Acura decided to rebadge one of their cars to one of their classics. They really should have simply designed a new Integra from the ground up. This rebadged ILX isn't dong it...
They took features out of the Civic Si to help justify the price increase. They shouldn’t do that, and should’ve really made the Acura better. The Type S, and I’m sure they’ll make one, should be 10K more, not an A Spec. I also think it’s wild they drop the dual clutch from the ILX and changed to a CVT. Crazy.
The price is correct no matter what, the segment of which the acura sits in shows that this is expected. A type s model coming at 50k like the tlx aswell I would forsee aswell.
@@ii_dynasty why would anyone buy a 50k type s integra over the Honda type r, tlx type s,gr Corolla,Nissan z,accord 2.0 sport-touring,Kia stinger ,g70 ,Volkswagen golf r ,Mazda3 hatchback etc all of the above is much better choice than paying 50k for a type s integra!Thats SUV MDX money for a car that’s probably going be using the same engine has the accord 2.0 !
@@curiosityredpill7030 cause they like the integra? The type s tlx is practically worst in class because of its weight, people still buy it. The integra type s if it does receive the 2.0 is gonna be a much lighter and faster car.
The original 3rd gen integra had 1.8 liter motors of various amounts of HP to make it more powerful than its civic cousin. If Honda did that again here with a slightly bigger, more powerful motor than the civic, then we’d have a conversation. Right now, get the civic.
@@DodgerBlueRobert the GSR would be more comparable to the upcoming Integra Type S. This current base engine Integra is more like the base engine Integra from back in the day.
@@TheBreakfastLover but the problem is, the new Integra with a manual costs way too much, forcing you to choose the top trim. Acura should offer a manual on the base trim. Back in the day, you could choose a base RS or mid level LS Integra with a manual.
If your cross shopping the Integra CVT with the Accord Touring, get the Touring, better interior and more HP. The fact that the Integra is an ACURA and you DONT HAVE ACURA INTERIOR says all you need to know about the Integra. I am more disappointed in Acura not for what the the Integra 'could be', but for what the Integra 'currently is'. Acura cut corners on everything they could from the interior, exterior, and lack of HP.
If used car prices/finance rates weren’t so ridiculous, it would be a no brainer. 2.0T also runs fine on regular. I’d love a CPO Touring if one was reasonably priced, but there are sooo many accords on the road 🤪
@beast boy With this car starting at $36K US plus another $4K for the "performance trim" bits, a $40K GR Corolla would be a bargain. It's a lot more car if you're a person who really likes to drive.
@@stms4411 is that enough to offset the fact that the N is literally twice as fast? Also the interior of the Elantra is really good, don’t feed into the fake news bro
Yeah definitely look around! Even in real life it still feels very hmmmmm I'll keep looking. If it were cheaper, I could recommend it but for the price point, it is battling with much more competitive and fancy rivals
@@NoirBéniProper It's entry level car!! It's like yall be wanting all these cars to have the bells and whistles as an MDX TypeS but with a 25k budget. This car STILL has more loaded tech and luxury then you entry level Benz, and BMW.
I’m holding my judgment on this car until Acura releases the Type S version. But so far the only complaint I have is the CVT. I mean the ILX came with a DCT as standard so why not the Integra?
@@talksheetgethit1515 that doesn't make sense, OP said he's holding off judgment until the Type S comes out, so there's *no* judgment to "fall apart" when it does come out.
Comparing it to a Civic Si is a bit of a miss. Acura intends for this to be a step up from a Civic Sport Touring hatch for $33-34k. Upgrade the Civic with more power, better transmission, LSD, materials, technology and a sports jacket and I think Integra makes a decent case for itself at $38-39.
I think the Integra really needed the 2.0 Turbo from the Accord to justify its price. It didn't have to make as much power as the TLX or RDX, just that 240~250hp.
Hondata has actually shown the HP for Integra is 234, which is tuned even more than the Civic Si, which I think was 220... But the numbers are just numbers, its what you do with the power...driving this thing is what you need to do. It's a pure joy to drive and yes, the top-trim Civics are SUPER nice....Civics have just evolved to be amazing cars, so while these gents are pretty critical of it, it's being compared to THE BEST selling car in Canada ;) As for the design, all Acuras are using the core concept design so they all look like an Acuras from the front. The back and sides are where there are defining design elements...and the booty is soooo pretty! 😍 You'll get this car because it's an Acura, or an Integra, not because it's a nicer Civic, and you'll get the Civic for being a Civic, not a watered down Integra...they're just two completely different beasts in completely different price points, while knodding to each other 😀 If you are looking for only the driving experience, amd don't care at all about all the plethora of upgrades the Integra has, then you'll get the Civic, or some other car. Driving up the canyon this car is just SOOOO fun! And as they talk about all the characteristics of the car, they are describing the Integra perfectly! Indeed, the Type-S is coming for those power hungry, but when you look at everything in this package, the Integra is a great value! You also get 2 years of oil changes and maintenance, as well as Acura link, and other goodies...I don't think any of those other cars mentioned can come close to what is offered here 😉 Hilarious review though!
@@donmillican510 The Integra name has a legacy as a Japanese sports car so people are curious about it. But once you see what it is, it quickly hits reality that this car is way too overpriced for what it is. Like others said the engine from the Accord was the way to go on it, I actually really like the styling compared to the Civic Si but the Interior looks even cheaper than the Si's interior being shown, I don't like the red seats either lol.
@@jebril What is overpriced the 1.5t ok and the A class was overpriced but anyway this is like an ILX with civics type S and the interior isn't bad to me
The one word that I can't avoid when it comes to this car is: underwhelming. The styling is underwhelming, the performance is underwhelming, and the value is extremely underwhelming. While I applaud Honda (Acura doesn't really exist... it's just a styling / stereo wing of Honda) for wanting to build a car that people who like driving would appreciate - what they have actually done is become the equivalent of a chef who makes gluten-free food for everyone. This car should have the 2.0 turbo from the Accord in it. That would still leave a large performance gap between Si and R, but it would make this car - at nearly 40k, a hoot. Instead, we are left with the fact that for the same money, you could have an Accord Sport 2.0 and be faster, cheaper, roomier, and did I mention... cheaper. The interior is pretty but yikes. Not THAT pretty.
Yeah, I've been looking at a "quick" sedan recently (Florida so all highways and no turns) and the Accord Sport 2.0T ticks so many boxes that it's #1 on my list. Having test driven a Civic Sport Hatchback Touring (I know it's not as fast since it's detuned) and an Si, I can confidently say that the Integra, while nicer, won't justify the price premium. Especially with the Accord 2.0T being a thing. I get that in reality it's a logistical and packaging thing, but only using the 1.5T in the Integra just makes the car underwhelming. It's a "fun" engine, but the competition is better for the price. This car is just not it. $35k for an Accord Sport 2.0T + some money for a stereo upgrade (if you care about that) and you're like 90% of the way there for the same price.
@@czluver4338 I don't need your permission to have an opinion or for it to be accurate. In 2022 - you should not have to be told this. If you disagree with the substance of my opinion - go ahead. I think the car is a failure of design, performance and value. If you don't agree, that's cool. But shit posting like this adds nothing to any discussion.
@@czluver4338 He doesn't have to be told anything. He's stating an opinion that many agree with. It's completely underwhelming! I wanted to buy one of these. I'm going to take your advice though. Good luck Acura.
Toyota has an impressive GR line-up. Nissan properly refreshed their Z car. And Acura here… just reskinning the Civic Si… how sad. A good way to properly kill the Integra name.
Well Toyota and Nissan are not luxury brands. Lexus and Infiniti are the equivalent to Acura. I do say most the products are very bland from Acura though. Nothing eye popping or engaging.
Except you can find one at Toyota or Lexus they been sold out for months never had much inventory so what the point also there no real back seat on the sport compacts. Nissan also has major inventory problems with there Nssan Z that not going to get better so on paper your idea may sound nice but good luck finding any. The Integra is readily available compared even to its friend the Civic Si which are hard to find and selling 5k over msrp. You can find an Integra for MSRP which I did.
Nissan Z is still using the 370z chassis (outdated as hell man, already similar to the 350z) and a borrowed engine from the q50 redsport (decent engine)
I completely disagree. The integra was always a civic with a touch of luxury. It’s a civic Si, yes, but with much more features, leather seats, a liftback, better sound system. The only thing I wish it had was a bigger sunroof but that’s not a dealbreaker. Not to mention that its L15B7 is a very VERY capable motor with lots of tuning headroom and unbeatable fuel economy. You won’t get that kinda of performance and practicality out of a GR86 or a 400Z lol, not even close. This is coming from someone who owns a 1994 Integra GSR 2 door.
I could never imagine paying 40k+ for a slightly nicer civic, might aswell buy a 2.0t sport for that price point which is alot more car, alot more fun, and more practical plus alot nicer imo after driving both the civic, accord, and tlx. I mean for 40k+ your in the same ballpark as other sports cars n muscle cars aswell like mustang gts and the such
It’s a hatch so that’s the practical nature of it. Just like the hatch Subaru’s cost more than the sedans. It’s $8,000 more than the SI. You may overpay a few thousand but not much. Is it worth $500 more, probably a bit more than that. Maybe not $8k but it’s unique, no racer boy like the SI
@@mastoslayerica yeah maybe not the Z, but the accord is imo the better car, they handle amazing for their size, super responsive, and you could get a accord with the 10 speed and detuned type r engine for cheaper than a integra
It's entry level car!! It's like yall be wanting all these cars to have the bells and whistles as an MDX TypeS but with a 25k budget ain't gone happen. This car STILL has more loaded tech and luxury then your entry level Benz, and BMW.
Thanks for the review! As an older person that owned a couple of early 1990's Integras, I now know how Mustang owners feel about the Mach-E, while this looks like a great car I think it should have been called an ILX or RSX.
Toslly disagree only because the RSX was one of the best cars Acura ever put together and I know it's supposed to be just a new Integra however this Integra is absolutely awful and destroys the heritage
Well considering they had plenty of 4 door Integras on the road in the past I'm not too disappointed with this one, I think people were thinking this new Intergra would be resurrection of the ITR, that isn't happening considering the ITR started off as a homologation car, the best that will happen is a type-s version.
As an owner of a 2020 US Spec Civic SI, here is my biggest issue with the new Integra Aspec and Civic Si. I think the Integra looks better with an upscale interior but that is it. They actually removed standard items from the previous SI to put into the Integra to try and give it the edge. My 2020 Si has the heated seats, the adaptive suspension, and probably a few other items removed from the 2023 Si. I have even less motivation to upgrade to the "new" Si and the new Integra doesn't give me much else than what was mentioned in the video. The leather interior, upgraded audio, and better styling is the only improvement over my 2020. That isn't worth the $15k USD price increase from what I paid. If you are in the market save yourself a bunch of money and find a low-mileage used 2020 Si and you'll feel like you really got your money's worth! Now when the Integra Type S becomes available, only then will I have any interest in replacing my Si with another Honda/Acura product until we see what the Dealer markups look like.
Yea, exactly . I got a 2020 si too. In integra, i wish it had the type R engine, heated /cool seat and steering wheel. And rear /daul cluimate. I would buyvthe Integra at 45k with all of those features too
I think what Honda is doing is what they do with every civic si. The first year of the new gen has the least, and as years go on they keep adding features..even something as simple as LED headlights weren't standard on the first 10th gen si. I'm sure the last iteration of the 11th gen si will have everything, just like always.
You know Ive thought about this for a while because I owned and LOVED my 2019 Si. If you do the conversion, at least in the US, the new one is cheaper. The $27,000 sticker price before covid is a MORE money than $28,500 NOW. If you really dig deep and consider the US inflation vs the Canadian inflation it even makes sense that the Canadian car got more goodies. When I think of it like that... as the new Si being a cheaper alternative to the 2020 and the integra being a more expensive alternative it all starts to make sense... That being said... its really hard for me NOT to want the new integra even though I think the previous generation "in the middle" option was superior.
As an American who does't have access to the Canadian Si with all of the goodies, the US version leaves us with a half hearted shell of a 10th gen. I agree that if both Si's were spec'd the same, it would be no brainer to stick with the Honda and save thousands of dollars. However to get it similarly spec'd, we're left with the Integra, which isn't a totally bad option either. Ultimately we're given an unfortunate choice, upgrade to the Acura to get the niceties the American Si should have had - hatchback included, or settle with a water downed Civic for a fraction of the price. Basically Honda twisted our arm. Thanks a lot you fuckers....
Simple, walk away from the brand. My last car from this brand was a 1993 Acura Integra 3dr hatchback which I still have. A great car for its time and a timeless design. Since the mid 2000s. I haven't found anything that attracts me from Honda/Acura. Thus I went for Lexus IS350 in 2007 and Mazda MX5 in 2017. Looking at how they are treating the Integra name now is just sad. If I need to shop for a car now in the $30k range, I'd go GR86/BRZ... and nothing from Honda again.
We are so used to ways having less than the US version of most things, the Civic Si continues to be a surprise. I remember the 2016 Accord Sport Sedan also had more features here than it did in the States.
so much of this👆🏿! also, when the Integra isn't part of Honda's line up, you know it isn't a real Integra; it is just Honda milking the name in order to try and increase Acura's sales. A fwd type-s 220-240hp competitor for the brz/gr86 would have been a statement... and a later type-r would have been a dream. Unfortunately, we got this rebadged affair wich is weak af and not really interesting, unless you are from 'murica and want all the goods the civic gets all over the world beside the states.
@@Smaug1 That motor can easily put out a reliable 270hp with stock parts and a tune actually. L15B7s are very capable, they’re just very under-tuned from the factory. Unlike the WRX’s FA24DIT, L15B7s have much more tuning headroom and better reliability all while giving you much better fuel economy.
Butchered the return of the Integra and they wanna charge 40k for it? That’s rich, literally had one job and they royally messed that up, not a single essence of Integra is embodied in this new car, and before anyone says “iTs nOt 1999 aNyMoRE” look at the CRZ and NSX both those cars contains DNA from their predecessors. Apart from the name itself, this has no Integra in it whatsoever and it is VERY disappointing to say the least.
Niceeee bro, keep your teggy, it'll be worth a lot in the near future. My 00' GSR has 270k and still drives smooth, everything is stock except for a cold air intake.
Feel like nissan did perfect in terms of styling with the new z. Pays homage to the old school yet looks fresh and thats why i love it. Because you know exactly what it is when you see it. When i heard of the integra i got goosebumps because i loved how the integra coupe looked. And seeing how well nissan did i was excited to see the nee integra. But this thing. Aint it.
I've still got my pristine 98 Integra - though my main fun driver is 2019 370z. Can't believe how ugly they made this. The TLX and ILX both flowed better - and they hardly get me excited in terms of looks. Yikes... This looks like a mini crosstour or a mazda 3 with curves replaced by dents...
All sedans should be liftbacks. It’s the only compelling part of this car, because the best parts are what it shares with the Civic. Imagine that Honda had given us an Si with the liftback body and Canadian specs. Maybe then Acura could finally go the way of the landline rotary phone.
Unfortunate to see that in Honda’s own line up the Integra isn’t compelling enough to beat out other options. Tho, thinking about it the entry level luxury car has always been a tough sell for joint brands. ES or Avalon, Integra or Civic. Its been such a tough bout that Infiniti ditched the G20 almost instantly (based off the Sentra). Its a tough sell
The only American Nissan with a sr20de was this, the Sentra SE-R and NX2000 . … So because Nissan canceled one model it’s been a “tough bout” for all auto makers? I feel like you’ve just been waiting to use that fact lol
The Infiniti brand itself has always been considered "entry level luxury" - designed to capture the buyer between Nissan and Mercedes (remember, at the time Mercedes didn't have an entry level C-class car or the even cheaper CLA class). The G35 was originally the cheapest car, and it was great - unique, award winning design, lots of power on the 3.5L V6, great sound, etc. The G20, like the F-Type 4cyl was added way later in the lineup as an even cheaper entrant and of course too many compromises were made to make it appealing because it ran up against better value cheap entries. There has to be a line between "entry level luxury" and the cars that comprise true, expensive luxury and cheaper dailies. Manufacturers have also of course been blurring the lines over the years as they chase higher margin, more premium entry points across the board. A Civic now is a lot nicer and more expensive than they ever used to be in the 90s and 2000s. I actually think they over delivered on the SI hatch in Canada and their greater differentiation between the product lines in the US makes more sense because it highlights this very issue the review calls out here.
Looking back at the Integra Type R DC2, I just cant understand what this thing is supposed to be. It feels like Honda has shifted the category of their cars one step up. The 11th gen Civic is basically a Accord now and the Integra is.... well I dont know, something above the Integra...
Thanks guys! I would love to have one of these but I’m gonna have to go with the Civic. It upsets me that standard shift used to cost less than an auto and they’ve gone the other way. Used car prices prove there are enough enthusiasts not to kill the manual!!!
Barely anyone buys the manual despite everyone on the internet crying about saving manuals. Low volume means they don't make money. They're probably ensuring that they don't lose money by putting it on the top trim.
@@MrAllthatgoodstuff if it was a one off transmission then yes. But this manual comes on other honda products. I know they don't have the lsd but the rest of the parts are there. Makes no sense at all.
I like dc5, and that line up wasn't even as popular as the da6 or the dc2. So You imagine the sadness of this acura badged as Integra. It's terrible at best.
What was Honda thinking when they didn't even dampen the clutch pedal sound? That bang noise is ridiculously loud. I thought it was hitting the dash for a good minute.
Yeah, that's a terrible oversight on their part. I've never heard a clutch pedal make that kinda racket in any car. Makes it sound like the actual clutch is 'thunking' each shift. Really cheap.
I know that conventional modern automotive wisdom says there's no money to be made in FWD coupes these days, but I think that the Integra could have been the exception. Reviving a name plate that was an icon 20 years ago, they have a demographic of enthusiasts who would jump all over it if they get it right - many enthusiasts in the 30-40 age group had the last generation of Integra in their teens and early 20s, with many of them becoming automotive enthusiasts through those cars and are now at the point in their life where they are prime candidates for new car purchases. The old cars were primarily light-weight coupes built on the Civic platform, but given more powerful engines - this is just a reskinned Civic SI with a few extra goodies. Offer this thing as a coupe with the 2.0T from the Accord and it would be golden and I guarantee it would sell because while the auto industry as a whole is moving away from cars like that it's also a fact that nostalgia-fueled products aimed at people in their 30s and 40s tend to sell extremely well, even at inflated prices.
It definitely would not flop. Given its name and history. I dont see how it would flop. The existing car is whats going to flop. Honda/Acura had the potential to make something great and shake up the market. But they killed a legend and replaced it with something boring instead. There's nothing special about this car. Its simply just another sedan on the market.
@@yeetus59 theres a reason coupes are being discontinued. Look at the civic and accord coupes. While sure you in particular might want a coupe the majority have spoken and coupes are not profitable. Most people want to get the most for their money this includes seating capacity and comfort. if they made a coupe it would flop. It would be expensive for them to make and in the end they would not break out even. Only way i could see a coupe being successful is a very limited run and in type r trim only. Ppl in their 30s/40s currently have a much bigger problem then cars and that is being able to get a home. Integra is going to flop in general. Only because it makes no sense to buy over an si or an accord. And even with those cars they are not selling as good as crossovers. Would not surprise me one bit if the accord and civic get turned into a crossover soon.
I just got a 2022 Mazda 3 Sport with AWD and the turbo, GT trim, and it falls under 40 grand with more horsepower and an arguably nicer interior with usable rear seats. And it has more horsepower (except no manual). I'd take the Mazda over the Integra, no question.
They absolutely should have put in the 8DCT in the base trim instead of the CVT. The 8DCT was a pretty great transmission in the ILX and 2.4L TLX. Can't believe they thought the CVT was a better fit for a base Integra over that.
I'm thinking since the integra was built off of the new civic they were not able to fit a dct inside of it. Its honestly a shame I hate cvts. Maybe the new integra type s will have a automatic or dct who knows?
There had to have been bloopers from that intro, and we must see them!! 😂 You could not have done that entire intro Acurately in one take. If you did, you’re both a Legend 👀
1:32 "the scumbags at Nestle" Everytime I watch this channel, I find more and more reasons why I like these guys so damn much. The folks over at r/FuckNestle would appreciate this. Keep being awesome Throttle House!
@@Dance1617 It's not, the seats in the Touring accord are just better and they get the same amount of sound dampening but it will be louder road noise fromlarger tires but smoother suspension in the accord touring. Also the accord comes with ventilated seats, heated rear seats. more room, a HUD. Just overall a better experience but also why they are different classed cars.
I was shopping for an Accord 1.5t Sport (not Sport Touring) and the dealer's initial offer was $45k. The lowest I got him was $37k. That being said, the Touring model would easily blast past $40k, significantly more than the Integra.
Is it just me or are modern Japanese cars also losing its shine they had in the 90's and 00's. This is a farcry from the old ones and feels like another run of the mill sedan
Because the bubble economy in Japan in the 80s allowed them to make cars without considering the costs. They can’t do that anymore after the bubble popped in the mid-90s. Nissan almost went bankrupted is a good example of the current situation of the Japanese automakers.
I absolutely love Acura/Honda. Have one of each, but this Integra missed the mark. I'm glad they tried, but I figured when they mentioned the Integra reboot it would be like how Nissan did the Z or Toyota did the supra. Could we imagine how amazing a proper 90's Integra reboot would have looked, felt to drive, & the love of the vehicle would have been accepted? I'd buy an accord or Civic over this. I own a type R why not just buy that? Lol!
I totally know what you mean. My mother’s first car was a dark red Acura Integra manual coupe, then she got a maroon Honda Pilot that took us on many family trips, and in 2019 I got a 2018 Honda Civic EX-T off the showroom floor for 22k new out the door (an absurdly good deal considering the fact that it caries the same 1.5L turbo engine but with just a bit less power). My brother is about to get his first car and he and my parents really have their eyes set on a new 2023 HR-V sport, but literally every dealership so far has acted like it should command a premium dealership markup that jumps the price waaay up. 5k markup on a 26k MSRP car hurts A LOT more than on something like a 70k car. They keep calling us to talk about getting one of their incoming HR-V’s but don’t seem to get the message that it just won’t be happening for a 5k markup plus other nonsense options. Sorry for the somewhat random rant, no worries if you don’t read this at all but thanks anyways if you did lol.
@@Toolace that's awesome! I bet that Integra was fun. Hey man I hear you loud and clear. We are Honda & Acura fans for life! Thanks for sharing the rant. Lol! I don't mind. I did read it too & I dislike so much that companies don't stop dealerships from doing that. It should be illegal because literally the mark up is NOT the value of the vehicle. Value is what every vehicle should sale for. Plus it's not respectful when someone has saved & is waiting only to be duped...
I see what you mean. I don’t blame Acura/Honda for not making this a coupe when so little people were buying coupes in the US so it was hurting them more then profiting, hence why they cancelled the civic coupe. This Integra seemed to be aimed for people who owned the 4 door Acura in the 90s not the gsr/type r we all know and love. As much as I would want that Integra along with a lot of people, Acura was always a bit more luxurious than a civic and slightly different and that’s what we got. I knew it would have a 1.5T for economy reasons but I don’t like how they stripped the civic si of features only to implement them back in the Integra for a large price increase. I will say, this new 11th gen generation chassis the Integra rides on is very nice. It handles extremely well, feels planted. The torque comes on early and is nice for daily driving. This Integra is bigger because well, that’s what everyone wants in the US, bigger cars. I hate to say it because I want a type s in the future that’s a coupe but, just like savagegeese said in his review, it’s not the 90’s anymore. This car whether you hate to believe it or not is a great car from what they’ve shown and you’re getting a lot for the money. Dealer markup is just hurting sales for anything. This Integra should have came with the 2.0T from the RDX/TLX and the DCT as an option from the ILX instead of the CVT from the civic.
I had an 89 Intergra LS Special Edition, which was more of a luxurious Civic Si. It wasn’t the fastest, but it was fun as hell to drive and cornered really well. I guess this is the modern edition of the Integra LS. It cost 17K back then, and due to inflation it costs 40K today.
I feel like the new Honda designs are putting Acuras in a tight spot, the more mature/elegant exterior and the interior with honeycomb dashboard looks really good and Acura have to step it up to differentiate more between the two brands as it is supposed to be the "Luxury" one. Of course that is for customer who are picking between a Honda and an Acura but if we compare it to the competitors, that is again another gap that they need to close.
Love your reviews, but... "a big step up over a golf R??" A golf R would be in the next time zonenbefore this hit 60. Even a base gti would destroy this. I agree that the SI is a fantastic "driving" car (just drove one) but for me personally it was just too slow.
Agree completely about the rev hang. I test drove an Si and found it intolerable. I've been driving MTs for 30 years and hope to keep doing so, but I'd rather have a decent AT or CVT(!) than deal with rev hang that bad.
Purchasing semi-sporty cars from Honda/Acura within 4 hours of my location in NJ was challenging to say the least. In the end, I had a choice of a 2022 Civic Si with a $2,500 markup and cut down USA features, a 2023 Integra A-Spec Tech 6MT with no markup, all the features, a super useful hatch, a stellar stereo, better styling, and free oil changes for two years, and a 2022 TLX Type-S with a $3,000 markup, a decently higher car payment, yet with 355HP turbo, SH-AWD, better brakes, yet it’s 500 lbs too heavy, it gets much worse gas mileage, and it’s saddled with an lazy, early upshifting transmission, and of course no hatchback utility. That’s a no brainer, I acquired the new Intergra for all the reasons above and for better investment in and better residual trade in values out, vs what I was offered anyway. If I keep the new Integra for any length of time I feel that basic and bolt-on upgrades would easily make the car a bit more spicy and special. Then there is the upcoming GR Corolla, the Integra Type-S, and then there is the TLX Type-S still, for which I hope they cut off some weight and make the transmission logic a bit more sporty. So while TH-cam reviewers and Integra haters can say a Civic Si is the better purchase, or go GR86, or whatever else, you actually have to find that car at MSRP first. And the Civic Si does not even have heated seats for Pete’s sake. Or a god-tier ELS 3D stereo. I may not keep my new Integra forever, I do have $500 down on a GR Corolla for whenever my turns pops up to purchase. And the Integra Type-S might just be wizard, and I still want some of the TLX Type-S’s extra luxury features. However, I am happy to date the new Integra for a while. At least until the car market sorts itself out a bit more.
Yes, I am a big fan of Japanese cars and especially the Honda Civic Si. I’ve owned a few Civic Si’s over the years, and the 2006 Civic Si coupe was easily the best one. By extension, the new Integra is basically the gentleman’s Civic Si. I am also very excited for the upcoming CTR, the Integra Type-S, and I am especially excited for the GR Corolla. And yes, I have considered other brands and options. In fact, my next couple of cars might be very different choices as I am getting older. Things like seat comfort and other luxury features are starting to become paramount to me. However, traditionally, and for now, the resale ability on the Civic Si was always stellar, they were always reliable, screwed together nicely, and were uniquely sporty for little money while still having useful utility. Throw in a peppy engine with good gas mileage, decent breaks, a nicer Honda 6-speed MT, perhaps a super useful hatchback, and I’m usually sold. I expect much the same from my new Integra. In a time where everything is upside down, playing it safe seemed like a wonderful idea. And since I only paid MSRP, and I have a great interest rate, I am in a fantastic position to get my dream car next time. Whatever brand or car that may be. And finally, if the 2022 Honda Civic Si was available in a top trim in the USA I would have just bought that car. However, it wasn’t, and I need my heated seats in NJ, the winter months are pure evil. And the Integra’s ELS 3D stereo is heaven.
@@NeoDiNardo yeah but for that price you have vehicles like the Kia k5 GT, or Elantra N, the integra gets underwhelming reviews for a reason, its price just isn't very good due to a lower class vehicle getting marked up much higher, with little significant upgrades or unique styling. Mazda 3 hatchback with the 2.5 turbo(250 horse, 320 torque, AWD) is also the same price.. which makes it a super tough buy when you consider all this competition that are trying harder. I just think that lasering in on this Acura(slower civic) without giving what most consider superior options more of a chance is a mistake is all.
Slow car fast is better than a fast cars slow. Had a clean unmodded g35 (before it was stolen) and I could never ring it out safely. While driving normally with a big of ringing got mpgs in the 18s. Drove one of these and was impressed especially with the dealer discounts and the rest going into 401k; definitely on the list for my next car.
My brother had one of the original Integras (yes, going into the way-back machine) and he loved the thing. They can clean this up a bit more and you've got a great entry-level to Ac monster. Love the stick-shift. Love it. I'd love if they put into the TL line.
I have a 2020 ILX and went in for an oil change. I saw a 2023 Teggy and was looking at it and was blown away to see the engine and HP was the same and was 45k for the display they had. It sure looked nice but it was damn about 20k more than my car....didn't seem worth it
ILX is on a 10 year old inferior chassis with a crappy motor - the new Integra has a chassis two generations newer and a motor that makes 280whp/340wtq with an e30 tune and downpipe.....easily superior to an ILX in every way for those who know what they are looking at
Considering for the MASSIVE price difference compared to the Civic Si, it's such a relative minuscule step up in Acura "extras", I think Honda has doomed the Integra as a value proposition, so much so that if there isn't either a major feature set bump up by the 2024 year refresh, or a hefty price drop, I'd be surprised if it gets past this model iteration.
That seems to be the theme of the last 15yrs for Acura. Other than the SUVs, there doesn't seem much point, or in the case of the TL, it was f'in ugly. For the Integra, yes, it was always based on a Civic, but historically you always got a "better" engine in the Integra. They could have solved this by dropping in the 2.0T from the Accord instead of the 1.5T and that would make a compelling reason to get the Integra over the Civic Si. As it stands, meh.
Such a silly comment........You could spend nearly as much as an Integra on a Sport touring hatch.....one thing about TH-cam you're gonna have people that don't know cars(Hondas website could have easily shown you the SI isn't the most expensive Civic) commenting as if they're experts and tons of sheep people agreeing
I feel like and i could be wrong Zcura should have made it noticeably wider and lower similar to what BMW does with a base model 3 and an M3. Acura could have skipped on paper like they did power but it's presence would o carried clout
Yep it's the argument that has been going on for decades.
@@ftr911drvr I'm sorry, but it would appear that it is you that is uninformed. I just went to both sites and there is a 5K difference between the Sport Touring and the A-Spec. In this price category, that's not particularly close to being the same price. Whether someone thinks the extra 5K is worth it is a different conversation.
Ok...it's official. I am now watching TH no matter if I am interested in the car or not. You guys are killing it! So much fun to watch.
It really should have more HP. My 2002 RSX Type S makes 200hp, you'd think after 20 years they'd bump up the power.
My guess is that they're saving the spicier motor for the Type S trim, and use the new Civic Type R drivetrain in that.
My 2010 Tsx V6 makes 280+ hp. I was really hoping they made it with a similar engine and power…. Im very sad and now have to look at the “TLX” instead
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Very dissappointing,,,,, Even the 90's design looks a lot more futuristic and iconic... Similar to the big dissapointment from the release of the new Supra in 2020... What's going on?? They can't read/analyze what the majority of consumers are eagerly expecting from the manufacturers?? Come on...
Even at that point the car would be nearing $60k, and you would still only be 300hp, competing in a class with the stinger and IS500, it just won't be worth it
Well you were right! Type S is coming with Type R engine
I worked in the auto industry for years running the back ends (service/parts). One of those was Falconi’s Acura of Las Vegas. Those were the last of the golden years of true Acura identity. We had the phase out of the old Integra into the new RSX. We had the NSX flagship and the TL and TSX coming into their own.
I always had a civic hatch with a swap and even a 2000 Blue SI but with a full B18C swap for more torque and overall performance. Along with plenty of EG/EK’s from years past.
I gotta tell you…. I was so hopeful Acura would wow us with a true Integra but I am left wanting.
It’s sad. Acura lost its identity. Nothing about the car screams Integra.
It’s so boring. Aesthetically it’s a let down. It may drive nice and have a LSD but the oversight on things like the clutch pedal clap back is telling.
I wish Honda would understand what their true audience wants at least to be available…. A cheap hot hatch with a stout chassis and strong drivetrain… like the K-Series… and then do a true u issue line of luxury sedans for Acura and diffuse those down into the accord and 4 door civic.
Just give us a cheaper basic hatch; power windows, AC, strong K like engine and maybe a head into that can tie into phone easily. That’s it. Price that competitively and it would sell well and inspire a whole new generation to revive the brand.
There’s no way anyone is looking at the Integra saying I want to customize that.
This makes me want the new Civic Type R even more!
Owned a TSX for 7 years. Absolutely a tank. I have no doubt this is a reliable platform. It looks sexier then a si.
Glad to see TH giving an honest review of the new Integra unlike so many other online reviewers.
Honest it was a joke there was no review and there comparison is for Canadians were the US Si is like buying a entry level car it has no features it is a joke. Obviously the better deal is loaded Canadian Si that you can't get in the US. So After this trash I will not be watching this crap they post anymore its worthless they no nothing about cars its getting frustrating to watch.
One word bias. If they're so good why don't they get invited to any launch event by any manufacturer.
Holy shit
Best intro sequence yet 😂
Historically the Integra has always been a "slightly" nicer optioned civic at a higher price. Biggest bummer right now is that manual is only offered in the top trim.
I grew up in the era when 8000rpm was high revs. That's not even 7k. lol
That clutch thing is nuts!
All these old sporty cars comeback. So is the prelude and the 240sx gonna make a comeback too?
looking at the integra as shown in this review and my experience owning a Civic HB sport. It really does seem like an SI with nicer interior. Like an SI touring. I still kinda wish I had the money/patience to wait for the Integra but this also make me appreciate my civic a little more.
Down sized and daily drive my old 2001 type-r to work. Saves gas and more importantly car payment free.
Does the current Integra look like this? I have never seen it in Japan.
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@@ganymede3141 indeed you could good sir
It looks decent. but for that insane price tag they could have at least put in the 2.0T from the Accord.
The 2.0T and 10 speed from the Accord would have made this a winner. Damn shame.
Bet that's what they're doing for the Type S/R once the early adopters buy in and sales slow.
They're saving it for the Type S. By holding back now, they'll sell more base Integra's just from the name/hype alone, then when the hype dies down they release the Type S and watch the sales pick up again.
The integra seems like a ripoff. Terrible.
this is why I struggle to like Honda… the engines are just embarrassingly small most the time. I’m on the fence about 2L turbos but a 1.5 is really a lawnmower engine
the SI is marked up at minimum of $5k in the states while the Aspec Integra is sold at MSRP. I bought the Integra.
Same!
Same here
Ditto.
just did the same and I love the car
In my area barely-used Integras can actually be cheaper than used Si's. I got my manual Integra for $33k with only 2400 miles. Si's here can be more expensive with 20k miles
The interior looks decent, I just wish the exterior had a more distinctive look and dynamic, ambitious visual design language - something more reminiscent of the old Integra.
As it is it fails to catch my eye; it just looks like every other sedan on the road.
I disagree I think it looks newer and different and I’m a big fan of the all black
@@wade9271 “it looks newer and different” *looks exactly like a pre gen ILX from the front and a 2015 Kia Forte Koup from the rear*
@@ramennoodlz It's exactly that.....A Mini ILX. Acura blew it. Toyota almost blew it but put a Manuel in the Supra so it's ok now. Nissan got the revival right Z. Lamborghini got it right Contach. If you gonna revive a car....revive it right.
the exterior is far better than the interior. The interior is just like the Civic
@@kristians2704 The exterior looks just like the old ILX. I was literally behind an ILX the other day and thought it was the new "Integra."
I was a defender of this car. But at 43k? Nope!
Either go nuts on power. Or go insane on luxury. But acura went bland on both!
An Si makes more sense. Geez even a typeR!
Type R is the answer
Damn, I didn't realize this is just about the same price as a Type R, that really puts it in perspective
@@sylvainbougie7269 type r is hideous
you forgot about the $10k market adjustment. now its a $53k car
Buy an old Mustang GT and save 30 grand, you’ll have much more fun too.
Imagine 21 years later after the last integra was built , they come back with 200hp 🤣 with a lawn mower 1.5 in a heavy ass tank , they really dropped the ball on this one
What a shame. I'm a huge honda fan and was ready to dive in on the integra but this is not an integra
@@allaroundayana2680
Couldn’t have said it better myself
A "heavy ass tank" at just over 3,000 pounds??? The s2000 was 2,800 pounds.
This is easily faster than a base integra from 21 years ago which had 142hp and nearly half the torque of the new one
A ssimple e30 tune on this car with a down pipe can make 280whp/340wtq and demolish an old Integra RS/LS/GS/GSR and Type R from 2001
@@TheFK8Life well no shit 🙄
Finally. A review that doesn’t try and gloss over what this really is. A Civic Si that is what the the 11th gen Civic Si should have been from the beginning, heated seats, adjustable suspension, things the 10th gen had but had taken away only so they can charge a premium for the Integra, and charge 10k more. They’re right. Unless you want a better radio, a CVT, or leather seats save your money.
I think there’s product position considerations between the Si and the Integra…but also consider than the Si went up about 10% over 2 years (from 10th gen to 11th)….they took away driving lights, heated seats and adaptive dampers but they gave the buyer: 1. A stiffer chassis 2. Improved shifter. 3. Improved steering and 4. Retuned engine for more real world available torque 5. Materially different styling
The first 4 items are a matter of prioritizing the driving experience over creature comforts
The last one is subjective….some might find the new Si boring. I find it more understated and without some of the styling cues that seem juvenile.
Consider the MSRP in the context of the avg new car price of $46k
Dealer markup is irrelevant since that’s just a supply/demand issue. Within a year, the Si will be routinely had for list
@@stms4411 except the fact that other countries like canada get those options in the si for the same price in america, where as in america they take it out to justify the price of the integra. Your better off buying the si from canda than in america or the older gen si
Now nobody's going to buy one and theyll be worth 90k in 10 years. Sigh....
I paid 24,500 for my 17 civic si with the same power and also had heated seats. I don’t understand the 43k price tag
@@jr.sciencebros.8411 I doubt that
C’mon Honda. It isn’t 1998 anymore. Give these cars more than 200 HP. Especially for 40k
Wait for the Type S my guy.
@@TheBreakfastLover and pay what...50K? No thanks.
@@oemj7147 a TLX Type S is $53k, so it's unlikely an Integra Type S would be $50k. We'll find out, be patient.
@@TheBreakfastLover The point is it’s still a 40 thousand dollar car for a 1.5 L engine and 200 HP. That’s gotta hurt when paying that 700 dollar car loan every month
@@19hundoc47 you're not wrong, if someone is struggling to lease an Integra, let alone own one, then they shouldn't be driving one.
If im gonna pay $40,000 for a civic I might as well get the previous type-r
I guess it just depends what you're looking for. type R ride is stiff AF
It's not a horrible looking car, but I doubt this was originally an Integra. It honestly looks like an ILX. But when Toyota brought back the Supra, and Nissan upgraded the Z, Acura decided to rebadge one of their cars to one of their classics.
They really should have simply designed a new Integra from the ground up. This rebadged ILX isn't dong it...
Acuras always been a civic
@@AnthonyGarcia-zu9wf not true, the Legend, Vigor and NSX weren't based on the Civic. Neither are the current MDX, RDX, TLX, or NSX.
yeah but ILX is literally Integra Luxury eXperimental....
The Integra has always been a rebadged Civic though
@@megatronusorionpax4900 not even close
They took features out of the Civic Si to help justify the price increase. They shouldn’t do that, and should’ve really made the Acura better. The Type S, and I’m sure they’ll make one, should be 10K more, not an A Spec. I also think it’s wild they drop the dual clutch from the ILX and changed to a CVT. Crazy.
They also took the features out of the Honda to manage to a price point and afford the mechanical upgrades to chassis/steering/shifter/engine tuning
The price is correct no matter what, the segment of which the acura sits in shows that this is expected. A type s model coming at 50k like the tlx aswell I would forsee aswell.
@@ii_dynasty why would anyone buy a 50k type s integra over the Honda type r, tlx type s,gr Corolla,Nissan z,accord 2.0 sport-touring,Kia stinger ,g70 ,Volkswagen golf r ,Mazda3 hatchback etc all of the above is much better choice than paying 50k for a type s integra!Thats SUV MDX money for a car that’s probably going be using the same engine has the accord 2.0 !
@@curiosityredpill7030 cause they like the integra? The type s tlx is practically worst in class because of its weight, people still buy it. The integra type s if it does receive the 2.0 is gonna be a much lighter and faster car.
@@ii_dynasty The tlx type s sells poorly . Until acura starts giving them away on leases it will stay poorly selling.
8:59 I knew it! Those tail lights look exactly like the Genesis Coupe
The original 3rd gen integra had 1.8 liter motors of various amounts of HP to make it more powerful than its civic cousin.
If Honda did that again here with a slightly bigger, more powerful motor than the civic, then we’d have a conversation.
Right now, get the civic.
A base 1999 Integra had 140 hp, a 1999 Civic Si had 160 hp.
@@TheBreakfastLover Yes, but the GS-R had 170 hp and more torque than the Si because of the bigger 1.8L engine.
@@DodgerBlueRobert the GSR would be more comparable to the upcoming Integra Type S. This current base engine Integra is more like the base engine Integra from back in the day.
@@TheBreakfastLover but the problem is, the new Integra with a manual costs way too much, forcing you to choose the top trim. Acura should offer a manual on the base trim. Back in the day, you could choose a base RS or mid level LS Integra with a manual.
@@DodgerBlueRobert i don't disagree with you, back in the day manuals were more popular too. The market is very different now.
I was hoping the integra would have had the 2.0T for the price they charge for the loaded Aspec.
Exactly this car needs the 2.0T out of the Accord to justify the price.
That’s for the Integra type s that is coming. Acura trademarked the name Integra type s last summer.
If your cross shopping the Integra CVT with the Accord Touring, get the Touring, better interior and more HP.
The fact that the Integra is an ACURA and you DONT HAVE ACURA INTERIOR says all you need to know about the Integra.
I am more disappointed in Acura not for what the the Integra 'could be', but for what the Integra 'currently is'. Acura cut corners on everything they could from the interior, exterior, and lack of HP.
frankly if you're cross shopping this car with any other car, get an Elantra N
I am forced to agree. They could have done more and went the cost effective route.
If used car prices/finance rates weren’t so ridiculous, it would be a no brainer. 2.0T also runs fine on regular. I’d love a CPO Touring if one was reasonably priced, but there are sooo many accords on the road 🤪
@@timefortimbo
Or wait and see what it costs to get a GR Corolla.
@beast boy
With this car starting at $36K US plus another $4K for the "performance trim" bits, a $40K GR Corolla would be a bargain. It's a lot more car if you're a person who really likes to drive.
This being a 40k car makes me appreciate Hyundai more figuring out how to offer the Elantra N for 30k
The Elantra N is a budget beast. Other car makers should take notes.
Except msrp for the n is 35k plus dealer mark ups.
The Elantra N also looks like a child designed it, feels cheap and may suffer from reliability and resale disadvantages compared to a Honda or Acura.
You gonna see him on tv any given Sunday, win the super bowl and drive off in a hyundai…
@@stms4411 is that enough to offset the fact that the N is literally twice as fast? Also the interior of the Elantra is really good, don’t feed into the fake news bro
Very honest and objective review of the Integra. I was looking at this car, but now will explore other options. Thanks again!
Yeah definitely look around! Even in real life it still feels very hmmmmm I'll keep looking. If it were cheaper, I could recommend it but for the price point, it is battling with much more competitive and fancy rivals
@@NoirBéniProper It's entry level car!! It's like yall be wanting all these cars to have the bells and whistles as an MDX TypeS but with a 25k budget. This car STILL has more loaded tech and luxury then you entry level Benz, and BMW.
@@uptdc2008minus the usable back seat 😅
I'd say Acura phoned this one in, but that would be an insult to phoning it in...
I’m holding my judgment on this car until Acura releases the Type S version. But so far the only complaint I have is the CVT.
I mean the ILX came with a DCT as standard so why not the Integra?
And watch that judgment fall apart when the new Type S is just the same engine as the Honda Civic Type R but more expensive.
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@@talksheetgethit1515 that doesn't make sense, OP said he's holding off judgment until the Type S comes out, so there's *no* judgment to "fall apart" when it does come out.
@@TheBreakfastLover 🥴
Read and analyze
@@talksheetgethit1515 that's ironic
@@talksheetgethit1515 Take your own words into consideration.
In the 90s the integra was very distinguishable from the civic even from the si.
Another brilliant spot on review. I’m a fan of the car but clearly Acura got lazy on this one. Doesn’t support the extra $ from the Civic Si
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Plus it looks overweight, comparing it to integras from the past.
While miata is able to remain light and nimble.
Comparing it to a Civic Si is a bit of a miss. Acura intends for this to be a step up from a Civic Sport Touring hatch for $33-34k.
Upgrade the Civic with more power, better transmission, LSD, materials, technology and a sports jacket and I think Integra makes a decent case for itself at $38-39.
I think the Integra really needed the 2.0 Turbo from the Accord to justify its price. It didn't have to make as much power as the TLX or RDX, just that 240~250hp.
maybe theyll put it in the type s version
@@gcgjkvlhglhvlghvl But whatever that will wind up costing, then it will be competing with cars that have better than a 2.0t.
Hondata has actually shown the HP for Integra is 234, which is tuned even more than the Civic Si, which I think was 220... But the numbers are just numbers, its what you do with the power...driving this thing is what you need to do. It's a pure joy to drive and yes, the top-trim Civics are SUPER nice....Civics have just evolved to be amazing cars, so while these gents are pretty critical of it, it's being compared to THE BEST selling car in Canada ;) As for the design, all Acuras are using the core concept design so they all look like an Acuras from the front. The back and sides are where there are defining design elements...and the booty is soooo pretty! 😍 You'll get this car because it's an Acura, or an Integra, not because it's a nicer Civic, and you'll get the Civic for being a Civic, not a watered down Integra...they're just two completely different beasts in completely different price points, while knodding to each other 😀 If you are looking for only the driving experience, amd don't care at all about all the plethora of upgrades the Integra has, then you'll get the Civic, or some other car.
Driving up the canyon this car is just SOOOO fun! And as they talk about all the characteristics of the car, they are describing the Integra perfectly! Indeed, the Type-S is coming for those power hungry, but when you look at everything in this package, the Integra is a great value! You also get 2 years of oil changes and maintenance, as well as Acura link, and other goodies...I don't think any of those other cars mentioned can come close to what is offered here 😉
Hilarious review though!
@@PlasmadaeDal cope
A CVT is not fun.
id love to see the stats on people willing to buy an intergra at 40k
I wonder why this car gets so many views then
@@donmillican510 Lamborghini gets plenty of views too… Doesn’t mean they all go out to buy one….
@@donmillican510 The Integra name has a legacy as a Japanese sports car so people are curious about it. But once you see what it is, it quickly hits reality that this car is way too overpriced for what it is. Like others said the engine from the Accord was the way to go on it, I actually really like the styling compared to the Civic Si but the Interior looks even cheaper than the Si's interior being shown, I don't like the red seats either lol.
@@TheChubbyd07 This is not comparing to a lamborghini look at that of under 50k price range
@@jebril What is overpriced the 1.5t ok and the A class was overpriced but anyway this is like an ILX with civics type S and the interior isn't bad to me
The one word that I can't avoid when it comes to this car is: underwhelming. The styling is underwhelming, the performance is underwhelming, and the value is extremely underwhelming. While I applaud Honda (Acura doesn't really exist... it's just a styling / stereo wing of Honda) for wanting to build a car that people who like driving would appreciate - what they have actually done is become the equivalent of a chef who makes gluten-free food for everyone. This car should have the 2.0 turbo from the Accord in it. That would still leave a large performance gap between Si and R, but it would make this car - at nearly 40k, a hoot. Instead, we are left with the fact that for the same money, you could have an Accord Sport 2.0 and be faster, cheaper, roomier, and did I mention... cheaper. The interior is pretty but yikes. Not THAT pretty.
Yeah, I've been looking at a "quick" sedan recently (Florida so all highways and no turns) and the Accord Sport 2.0T ticks so many boxes that it's #1 on my list. Having test driven a Civic Sport Hatchback Touring (I know it's not as fast since it's detuned) and an Si, I can confidently say that the Integra, while nicer, won't justify the price premium. Especially with the Accord 2.0T being a thing. I get that in reality it's a logistical and packaging thing, but only using the 1.5T in the Integra just makes the car underwhelming. It's a "fun" engine, but the competition is better for the price. This car is just not it. $35k for an Accord Sport 2.0T + some money for a stereo upgrade (if you care about that) and you're like 90% of the way there for the same price.
You got that right.
Than don't get it. Can't believe you have to be told this.
@@czluver4338 I don't need your permission to have an opinion or for it to be accurate. In 2022 - you should not have to be told this. If you disagree with the substance of my opinion - go ahead. I think the car is a failure of design, performance and value. If you don't agree, that's cool. But shit posting like this adds nothing to any discussion.
@@czluver4338 He doesn't have to be told anything. He's stating an opinion that many agree with. It's completely underwhelming! I wanted to buy one of these. I'm going to take your advice though. Good luck Acura.
Toyota has an impressive GR line-up. Nissan properly refreshed their Z car. And Acura here… just reskinning the Civic Si… how sad. A good way to properly kill the Integra name.
Well Toyota and Nissan are not luxury brands. Lexus and Infiniti are the equivalent to Acura. I do say most the products are very bland from Acura though. Nothing eye popping or engaging.
@@dakotawoodruff2622 lexus definitely has eye catching vehicles
Except you can find one at Toyota or Lexus they been sold out for months never had much inventory so what the point also there no real back seat on the sport compacts. Nissan also has major inventory problems with there Nssan Z that not going to get better so on paper your idea may sound nice but good luck finding any. The Integra is readily available compared even to its friend the Civic Si which are hard to find and selling 5k over msrp. You can find an Integra for MSRP which I did.
Nissan Z is still using the 370z chassis (outdated as hell man, already similar to the 350z) and a borrowed engine from the q50 redsport (decent engine)
I completely disagree. The integra was always a civic with a touch of luxury. It’s a civic Si, yes, but with much more features, leather seats, a liftback, better sound system. The only thing I wish it had was a bigger sunroof but that’s not a dealbreaker. Not to mention that its L15B7 is a very VERY capable motor with lots of tuning headroom and unbeatable fuel economy. You won’t get that kinda of performance and practicality out of a GR86 or a 400Z lol, not even close. This is coming from someone who owns a 1994 Integra GSR 2 door.
I could never imagine paying 40k+ for a slightly nicer civic, might aswell buy a 2.0t sport for that price point which is alot more car, alot more fun, and more practical plus alot nicer imo after driving both the civic, accord, and tlx. I mean for 40k+ your in the same ballpark as other sports cars n muscle cars aswell like mustang gts and the such
For 40k you could get the new Fairlady Z with 400hp.
@@tails300 the Integra is practical . Same can't be said about a Z. What high quality manual fun to drive sedan is there for under 40k?
@@mastoslayerica except a person 5’10 and up can’t fit in the back comfortably…yeah totally practical.
It’s a hatch so that’s the practical nature of it. Just like the hatch Subaru’s cost more than the sedans. It’s $8,000 more than the SI. You may overpay a few thousand but not much. Is it worth $500 more, probably a bit more than that. Maybe not $8k but it’s unique, no racer boy like the SI
@@mastoslayerica yeah maybe not the Z, but the accord is imo the better car, they handle amazing for their size, super responsive, and you could get a accord with the 10 speed and detuned type r engine for cheaper than a integra
It's entry level car!! It's like yall be wanting all these cars to have the bells and whistles as an MDX TypeS but with a 25k budget ain't gone happen. This car STILL has more loaded tech and luxury then your entry level Benz, and BMW.
Old integra looks much better
Thanks for the review! As an older person that owned a couple of early 1990's Integras, I now know how Mustang owners feel about the Mach-E, while this looks like a great car I think it should have been called an ILX or RSX.
Toslly disagree only because the RSX was one of the best cars Acura ever put together and I know it's supposed to be just a new Integra however this Integra is absolutely awful and destroys the heritage
RSX never came with 4 doors.
Well considering they had plenty of 4 door Integras on the road in the past I'm not too disappointed with this one, I think people were thinking this new Intergra would be resurrection of the ITR, that isn't happening considering the ITR started off as a homologation car, the best that will happen is a type-s version.
@@anydaynow01 Why bring back the integra name?
rsx was a cheap car at the time
As an owner of a 2020 US Spec Civic SI, here is my biggest issue with the new Integra Aspec and Civic Si. I think the Integra looks better with an upscale interior but that is it. They actually removed standard items from the previous SI to put into the Integra to try and give it the edge. My 2020 Si has the heated seats, the adaptive suspension, and probably a few other items removed from the 2023 Si. I have even less motivation to upgrade to the "new" Si and the new Integra doesn't give me much else than what was mentioned in the video. The leather interior, upgraded audio, and better styling is the only improvement over my 2020. That isn't worth the $15k USD price increase from what I paid. If you are in the market save yourself a bunch of money and find a low-mileage used 2020 Si and you'll feel like you really got your money's worth! Now when the Integra Type S becomes available, only then will I have any interest in replacing my Si with another Honda/Acura product until we see what the Dealer markups look like.
Yea, exactly . I got a 2020 si too. In integra, i wish it had the type R engine, heated /cool seat and steering wheel. And rear /daul cluimate. I would buyvthe Integra at 45k with all of those features too
I think what Honda is doing is what they do with every civic si. The first year of the new gen has the least, and as years go on they keep adding features..even something as simple as LED headlights weren't standard on the first 10th gen si. I'm sure the last iteration of the 11th gen si will have everything, just like always.
You know Ive thought about this for a while because I owned and LOVED my 2019 Si. If you do the conversion, at least in the US, the new one is cheaper. The $27,000 sticker price before covid is a MORE money than $28,500 NOW. If you really dig deep and consider the US inflation vs the Canadian inflation it even makes sense that the Canadian car got more goodies.
When I think of it like that... as the new Si being a cheaper alternative to the 2020 and the integra being a more expensive alternative it all starts to make sense...
That being said... its really hard for me NOT to want the new integra even though I think the previous generation "in the middle" option was superior.
“The scumbags at Nestle”
LOL - funny and true!
As an American who does't have access to the Canadian Si with all of the goodies, the US version leaves us with a half hearted shell of a 10th gen. I agree that if both Si's were spec'd the same, it would be no brainer to stick with the Honda and save thousands of dollars. However to get it similarly spec'd, we're left with the Integra, which isn't a totally bad option either. Ultimately we're given an unfortunate choice, upgrade to the Acura to get the niceties the American Si should have had - hatchback included, or settle with a water downed Civic for a fraction of the price. Basically Honda twisted our arm. Thanks a lot you fuckers....
Yeah glad I have my 2020 Si, crazy what markups are going on too
Simple, walk away from the brand. My last car from this brand was a 1993 Acura Integra 3dr hatchback which I still have. A great car for its time and a timeless design. Since the mid 2000s. I haven't found anything that attracts me from Honda/Acura. Thus I went for Lexus IS350 in 2007 and Mazda MX5 in 2017. Looking at how they are treating the Integra name now is just sad. If I need to shop for a car now in the $30k range, I'd go GR86/BRZ... and nothing from Honda again.
We are so used to ways having less than the US version of most things, the Civic Si continues to be a surprise. I remember the 2016 Accord Sport Sedan also had more features here than it did in the States.
There is no "choice" to it...If I was looking to spend $40,000, I would get a GTR or a Toyota Supra...FAIL all the way around! RIP Acura!!!
You can get a lot more for a lot less with other automakers
$40k for a 1.5 lawnmower. Acura is betting on aesthetics over substance.
shoulda put the 2.0 turbo engine from the accord smh
I wish they would’ve went more the route of making a front Wheel drive BRZ/GR86 competitor with 2 doors and around 225-250hp
so much of this👆🏿!
also, when the Integra isn't part of Honda's line up, you know it isn't a real Integra; it is just Honda milking the name in order to try and increase Acura's sales.
A fwd type-s 220-240hp competitor for the brz/gr86 would have been a statement... and a later type-r would have been a dream. Unfortunately, we got this rebadged affair wich is weak af and not really interesting, unless you are from 'murica and want all the goods the civic gets all over the world beside the states.
Dara, at THIS price point, it NEEDED a torquey 270 hp to stay relevant next to the WRX. (and no rev hang)
@@Smaug1 That motor can easily put out a reliable 270hp with stock parts and a tune actually. L15B7s are very capable, they’re just very under-tuned from the factory. Unlike the WRX’s FA24DIT, L15B7s have much more tuning headroom and better reliability all while giving you much better fuel economy.
Butchered the return of the Integra and they wanna charge 40k for it? That’s rich, literally had one job and they royally messed that up, not a single essence of Integra is embodied in this new car, and before anyone says “iTs nOt 1999 aNyMoRE” look at the CRZ and NSX both those cars contains DNA from their predecessors. Apart from the name itself, this has no Integra in it whatsoever and it is VERY disappointing to say the least.
I'll just keep my 98 Integra GSR, just passed 160k miles and still runs like new.
Niceeee bro, keep your teggy, it'll be worth a lot in the near future. My 00' GSR has 270k and still drives smooth, everything is stock except for a cold air intake.
Omg the clutch smacking the top of it’s travel, the rev hang, the weight- 40k? No thanks.
Feel like nissan did perfect in terms of styling with the new z. Pays homage to the old school yet looks fresh and thats why i love it. Because you know exactly what it is when you see it. When i heard of the integra i got goosebumps because i loved how the integra coupe looked. And seeing how well nissan did i was excited to see the nee integra. But this thing. Aint it.
“Because this bird, this bird, this ain’t the bird.”
I've still got my pristine 98 Integra - though my main fun driver is 2019 370z. Can't believe how ugly they made this. The TLX and ILX both flowed better - and they hardly get me excited in terms of looks. Yikes... This looks like a mini crosstour or a mazda 3 with curves replaced by dents...
I agree none of them do anything for me. I would still take an original integra coupe of this
All sedans should be liftbacks. It’s the only compelling part of this car, because the best parts are what it shares with the Civic.
Imagine that Honda had given us an Si with the liftback body and Canadian specs. Maybe then Acura could finally go the way of the landline rotary phone.
Yeah my main interest is that there isn't a liftback Si otherwise, but $10k extra just for that? Ouch. Maybe just a Civic sport hatch.
Unfortunate to see that in Honda’s own line up the Integra isn’t compelling enough to beat out other options. Tho, thinking about it the entry level luxury car has always been a tough sell for joint brands. ES or Avalon, Integra or Civic. Its been such a tough bout that Infiniti ditched the G20 almost instantly (based off the Sentra). Its a tough sell
Oh man I remember the Infiniti G20. Based on a Sentra but it looked a lot more premium.
The only American Nissan with a sr20de was this, the Sentra SE-R and NX2000 . …
So because Nissan canceled one model it’s been a “tough bout” for all auto makers? I feel like you’ve just been waiting to use that fact lol
The Infiniti brand itself has always been considered "entry level luxury" - designed to capture the buyer between Nissan and Mercedes (remember, at the time Mercedes didn't have an entry level C-class car or the even cheaper CLA class). The G35 was originally the cheapest car, and it was great - unique, award winning design, lots of power on the 3.5L V6, great sound, etc. The G20, like the F-Type 4cyl was added way later in the lineup as an even cheaper entrant and of course too many compromises were made to make it appealing because it ran up against better value cheap entries. There has to be a line between "entry level luxury" and the cars that comprise true, expensive luxury and cheaper dailies. Manufacturers have also of course been blurring the lines over the years as they chase higher margin, more premium entry points across the board. A Civic now is a lot nicer and more expensive than they ever used to be in the 90s and 2000s. I actually think they over delivered on the SI hatch in Canada and their greater differentiation between the product lines in the US makes more sense because it highlights this very issue the review calls out here.
Please never try to compare Lexus with Acura ever, ever again.
@@fatboynip mdx>rx
It's about 7 grand overpriced lmao
This is BMW 230i money.
Which is not a sedan, but it is an objectively better car in every other metric.
The Integra has about the same cargo volume as two 230i's combined.
Would have been good if the power matched the looks.
Looking back at the Integra Type R DC2, I just cant understand what this thing is supposed to be. It feels like Honda has shifted the category of their cars one step up. The 11th gen Civic is basically a Accord now and the Integra is.... well I dont know, something above the Integra...
Thanks guys! I would love to have one of these but I’m gonna have to go with the Civic. It upsets me that standard shift used to cost less than an auto and they’ve gone the other way.
Used car prices prove there are enough enthusiasts not to kill the manual!!!
Barely anyone buys the manual despite everyone on the internet crying about saving manuals. Low volume means they don't make money. They're probably ensuring that they don't lose money by putting it on the top trim.
@@MrAllthatgoodstuff if it was a one off transmission then yes. But this manual comes on other honda products. I know they don't have the lsd but the rest of the parts are there. Makes no sense at all.
@@MrAllthatgoodstuff if barely anyone buys a manual - why can Honda sustain dealer markup for the Si (available only in manual)?
used market doesn't profit car makers. they only make money off of new cars. if anything used cars ruin a potential sale
I honestly cannot tell it apart from the other Acura sedans currently offered.
Must have been dropped on your head.
Then your blind....
This why you shouldn't revive JDM classics because they are too busy pleasing non car enthusiasts rather then actual enthusiasts...
Long live the dc2 and dc5. This integra is atrocious
For this price I’d spend a quarter of that on my dc2 and finish perfect my kswap
I love this Integra. Ordering one soon.
You gotta really love the looks in order to overpay for this vehicle.
As the owner of a much loved 2001 Integra 6MT for 12 years and 224,000 miles, this new Integra is a stab in the heart. 😢
I like dc5, and that line up wasn't even as popular as the da6 or the dc2.
So You imagine the sadness of this acura badged as Integra.
It's terrible at best.
A DC with a 6 speed trans?? Since when?
@@Jaydro529 when dc5 was released in 2001. 🤣
@@davidyang577 Thought you were referring to a dc2/dc4 as that's the last "integra" made with the integra name.. Carry on 👀
My first car was a 1990 Integra w/ MT swap & LS-Vtec build. Loved that car, love your car, love the RSX....love nothing about this rebadged ILX 🗑
What was Honda thinking when they didn't even dampen the clutch pedal sound? That bang noise is ridiculously loud. I thought it was hitting the dash for a good minute.
So uh, my 2001 civic 5 speed clutch doesn't make a loud bang yet here we are.
Yeah, that's a terrible oversight on their part. I've never heard a clutch pedal make that kinda racket in any car. Makes it sound like the actual clutch is 'thunking' each shift. Really cheap.
And this... is the Civic SI 🤣
I was expecting comparisons but it still caught me by surprise. You guys are awesome.
I know that conventional modern automotive wisdom says there's no money to be made in FWD coupes these days, but I think that the Integra could have been the exception. Reviving a name plate that was an icon 20 years ago, they have a demographic of enthusiasts who would jump all over it if they get it right - many enthusiasts in the 30-40 age group had the last generation of Integra in their teens and early 20s, with many of them becoming automotive enthusiasts through those cars and are now at the point in their life where they are prime candidates for new car purchases. The old cars were primarily light-weight coupes built on the Civic platform, but given more powerful engines - this is just a reskinned Civic SI with a few extra goodies. Offer this thing as a coupe with the 2.0T from the Accord and it would be golden and I guarantee it would sell because while the auto industry as a whole is moving away from cars like that it's also a fact that nostalgia-fueled products aimed at people in their 30s and 40s tend to sell extremely well, even at inflated prices.
Would flop.
It definitely would not flop. Given its name and history. I dont see how it would flop. The existing car is whats going to flop. Honda/Acura had the potential to make something great and shake up the market. But they killed a legend and replaced it with something boring instead. There's nothing special about this car. Its simply just another sedan on the market.
I would have been in line to buy it 2.0 turbo / 6 speed Coupe integra I’m all in
@@yeetus59 theres a reason coupes are being discontinued. Look at the civic and accord coupes. While sure you in particular might want a coupe the majority have spoken and coupes are not profitable.
Most people want to get the most for their money this includes seating capacity and comfort.
if they made a coupe it would flop. It would be expensive for them to make and in the end they would not break out even.
Only way i could see a coupe being successful is a very limited run and in type r trim only.
Ppl in their 30s/40s currently have a much bigger problem then cars and that is being able to get a home.
Integra is going to flop in general. Only because it makes no sense to buy over an si or an accord. And even with those cars they are not selling as good as crossovers.
Would not surprise me one bit if the accord and civic get turned into a crossover soon.
@@yeetus59 the target market for a fwd coupe can’t afford this car. Not even close. These things are like a $550 a month lease with 3k down….
I wouldn't expect much from these manufacturers for the next two years with recession problems, they're going to be cutting costs at anything.
If those seats are like the rsx they will rip to shreds eventually.
This has been the most honest review of this car that I've seen so far.
Indeed
Interesting that with the Integra you can only get the top trim with the manual, whereas with the WRX you can only get the top trim with the CVT
Subaru screwed up the new WRX. Lets see if they are willing to make some positive changes for 2023
This was good
Sincerely a former DC2 owner
I may get one of these regardless 🤷🏿♂️
I just got a 2022 Mazda 3 Sport with AWD and the turbo, GT trim, and it falls under 40 grand with more horsepower and an arguably nicer interior with usable rear seats. And it has more horsepower (except no manual). I'd take the Mazda over the Integra, no question.
Why not the hatch?
Why not the hatch?
The Sport model is the hatchback version, which is understandably confusing 😕
Acura doesn’t listen to their customers, as a enthusiast of the brand, I am very disappointed.
They absolutely should have put in the 8DCT in the base trim instead of the CVT. The 8DCT was a pretty great transmission in the ILX and 2.4L TLX. Can't believe they thought the CVT was a better fit for a base Integra over that.
I'm thinking since the integra was built off of the new civic they were not able to fit a dct inside of it. Its honestly a shame I hate cvts. Maybe the new integra type s will have a automatic or dct who knows?
@Why sorry it will be a 6 speed manual only no auto Type S
@@why8410 The 8DCT went out of production.
I've seen some dealers asking nearly $50,000 for these. That's crazy.
F that
50k us dollars? fuck that buy a beamer at that point
I like the looks but for the price I think it should have the AWD from the TLX Type S
My wife has a new Integra and loves it. As a Subaru guy, I agree this car could be cooler if it were AWD.
The day I spend 40K on a compact car that has a 1.5 L four-cylinder engine is the day I check myself into a mental hospital
There had to have been bloopers from that intro, and we must see them!! 😂 You could not have done that entire intro Acurately in one take. If you did, you’re both a Legend 👀
Best and first honest review I’ve seen for this new Integra great job guys
Not worth the slight change for the 40K+ vs Honda CIVIC Si / Touriung.
I think the new Integra fell bit short from what we expected from Acura.
1:32 "the scumbags at Nestle"
Everytime I watch this channel, I find more and more reasons why I like these guys so damn much. The folks over at r/FuckNestle would appreciate this.
Keep being awesome Throttle House!
a 40k honda prelude looking crap car??? rebadged as a integra.... not even a type R .... inflation is really hitting us hard
In the end I agree, I would go with the Honda Accord. I think it’s a better car especially with the 10 speed automatic transmission.
Better drivetrain but is it a better overall experience? The integras interior is much nicer. Probably quieter. A more premium experience.
@@Dance1617 It's not, the seats in the Touring accord are just better and they get the same amount of sound dampening but it will be louder road noise fromlarger tires but smoother suspension in the accord touring. Also the accord comes with ventilated seats, heated rear seats. more room, a HUD. Just overall a better experience but also why they are different classed cars.
I was shopping for an Accord 1.5t Sport (not Sport Touring) and the dealer's initial offer was $45k. The lowest I got him was $37k. That being said, the Touring model would easily blast past $40k, significantly more than the Integra.
@@czluver4338 MSRP is $38,450 USD on a touring. There are dealers that will still sell them for that price.
Elantra N exists.
Is it just me or are modern Japanese cars also losing its shine they had in the 90's and 00's. This is a farcry from the old ones and feels like another run of the mill sedan
Because the bubble economy in Japan in the 80s allowed them to make cars without considering the costs. They can’t do that anymore after the bubble popped in the mid-90s. Nissan almost went bankrupted is a good example of the current situation of the Japanese automakers.
Feels like Acura phoned this one in and called it a day.
Your upload times are all over the place, but as long as I get a vid while preparing breakfast, I’m always happy
I absolutely love Acura/Honda. Have one of each, but this Integra missed the mark. I'm glad they tried, but I figured when they mentioned the Integra reboot it would be like how Nissan did the Z or Toyota did the supra. Could we imagine how amazing a proper 90's Integra reboot would have looked, felt to drive, & the love of the vehicle would have been accepted? I'd buy an accord or Civic over this. I own a type R why not just buy that? Lol!
I totally know what you mean. My mother’s first car was a dark red Acura Integra manual coupe, then she got a maroon Honda Pilot that took us on many family trips, and in 2019 I got a 2018 Honda Civic EX-T off the showroom floor for 22k new out the door (an absurdly good deal considering the fact that it caries the same 1.5L turbo engine but with just a bit less power).
My brother is about to get his first car and he and my parents really have their eyes set on a new 2023 HR-V sport, but literally every dealership so far has acted like it should command a premium dealership markup that jumps the price waaay up. 5k markup on a 26k MSRP car hurts A LOT more than on something like a 70k car. They keep calling us to talk about getting one of their incoming HR-V’s but don’t seem to get the message that it just won’t be happening for a 5k markup plus other nonsense options. Sorry for the somewhat random rant, no worries if you don’t read this at all but thanks anyways if you did lol.
@@Toolace that's awesome! I bet that Integra was fun. Hey man I hear you loud and clear. We are Honda & Acura fans for life! Thanks for sharing the rant. Lol! I don't mind. I did read it too & I dislike so much that companies don't stop dealerships from doing that. It should be illegal because literally the mark up is NOT the value of the vehicle. Value is what every vehicle should sale for. Plus it's not respectful when someone has saved & is waiting only to be duped...
Still driving my 2000 GSR. I was excited when I heard Acura coming back with Integra until I saw the reveal. Just gonna get Corolla GR instead.
@@cancel.lgbtq.6892 will be a fun car I'm sure!
I see what you mean. I don’t blame Acura/Honda for not making this a coupe when so little people were buying coupes in the US so it was hurting them more then profiting, hence why they cancelled the civic coupe. This Integra seemed to be aimed for people who owned the 4 door Acura in the 90s not the gsr/type r we all know and love. As much as I would want that Integra along with a lot of people, Acura was always a bit more luxurious than a civic and slightly different and that’s what we got. I knew it would have a 1.5T for economy reasons but I don’t like how they stripped the civic si of features only to implement them back in the Integra for a large price increase. I will say, this new 11th gen generation chassis the Integra rides on is very nice. It handles extremely well, feels planted. The torque comes on early and is nice for daily driving. This Integra is bigger because well, that’s what everyone wants in the US, bigger cars. I hate to say it because I want a type s in the future that’s a coupe but, just like savagegeese said in his review, it’s not the 90’s anymore. This car whether you hate to believe it or not is a great car from what they’ve shown and you’re getting a lot for the money. Dealer markup is just hurting sales for anything. This Integra should have came with the 2.0T from the RDX/TLX and the DCT as an option from the ILX instead of the CVT from the civic.
The Coupe body and a different engine would have made a much better buying proposition
They completely destroyed the Integra. I used to own a 1992 Integra LS Special and it was an incredible car and completely Acura.
I had an 89 Intergra LS Special Edition, which was more of a luxurious Civic Si. It wasn’t the fastest, but it was fun as hell to drive and cornered really well. I guess this is the modern edition of the Integra LS. It cost 17K back then, and due to inflation it costs 40K today.
I feel like the new Honda designs are putting Acuras in a tight spot, the more mature/elegant exterior and the interior with honeycomb dashboard looks really good and Acura have to step it up to differentiate more between the two brands as it is supposed to be the "Luxury" one.
Of course that is for customer who are picking between a Honda and an Acura but if we compare it to the competitors, that is again another gap that they need to close.
Love your reviews, but... "a big step up over a golf R??" A golf R would be in the next time zonenbefore this hit 60. Even a base gti would destroy this. I agree that the SI is a fantastic "driving" car (just drove one) but for me personally it was just too slow.
Referring to the interior ergonomics. The golf R is 3 times the car this is as a performance vehicle
Agree completely about the rev hang. I test drove an Si and found it intolerable. I've been driving MTs for 30 years and hope to keep doing so, but I'd rather have a decent AT or CVT(!) than deal with rev hang that bad.
I’m sure Hondata is working on fixing that issue as we speak. My TSX had the same issue, Flashpro fixed it.
Purchasing semi-sporty cars from Honda/Acura within 4 hours of my location in NJ was challenging to say the least. In the end, I had a choice of a 2022 Civic Si with a $2,500 markup and cut down USA features, a 2023 Integra A-Spec Tech 6MT with no markup, all the features, a super useful hatch, a stellar stereo, better styling, and free oil changes for two years, and a 2022 TLX Type-S with a $3,000 markup, a decently higher car payment, yet with 355HP turbo, SH-AWD, better brakes, yet it’s 500 lbs too heavy, it gets much worse gas mileage, and it’s saddled with an lazy, early upshifting transmission, and of course no hatchback utility. That’s a no brainer, I acquired the new Intergra for all the reasons above and for better investment in and better residual trade in values out, vs what I was offered anyway. If I keep the new Integra for any length of time I feel that basic and bolt-on upgrades would easily make the car a bit more spicy and special. Then there is the upcoming GR Corolla, the Integra Type-S, and then there is the TLX Type-S still, for which I hope they cut off some weight and make the transmission logic a bit more sporty. So while TH-cam reviewers and Integra haters can say a Civic Si is the better purchase, or go GR86, or whatever else, you actually have to find that car at MSRP first. And the Civic Si does not even have heated seats for Pete’s sake. Or a god-tier ELS 3D stereo. I may not keep my new Integra forever, I do have $500 down on a GR Corolla for whenever my turns pops up to purchase. And the Integra Type-S might just be wizard, and I still want some of the TLX Type-S’s extra luxury features. However, I am happy to date the new Integra for a while. At least until the car market sorts itself out a bit more.
yeah because you ONLY looked at acura/hona, kia/hyundai bash them for the money, especially the overpriced integra, there's a reason everyone agrees.
that's murican logic.. ahahaha.. which seems to be way way worse than normal ppl logic.
Yes, I am a big fan of Japanese cars and especially the Honda Civic Si. I’ve owned a few Civic Si’s over the years, and the 2006 Civic Si coupe was easily the best one. By extension, the new Integra is basically the gentleman’s Civic Si. I am also very excited for the upcoming CTR, the Integra Type-S, and I am especially excited for the GR Corolla. And yes, I have considered other brands and options. In fact, my next couple of cars might be very different choices as I am getting older. Things like seat comfort and other luxury features are starting to become paramount to me. However, traditionally, and for now, the resale ability on the Civic Si was always stellar, they were always reliable, screwed together nicely, and were uniquely sporty for little money while still having useful utility. Throw in a peppy engine with good gas mileage, decent breaks, a nicer Honda 6-speed MT, perhaps a super useful hatchback, and I’m usually sold. I expect much the same from my new Integra. In a time where everything is upside down, playing it safe seemed like a wonderful idea. And since I only paid MSRP, and I have a great interest rate, I am in a fantastic position to get my dream car next time. Whatever brand or car that may be. And finally, if the 2022 Honda Civic Si was available in a top trim in the USA I would have just bought that car. However, it wasn’t, and I need my heated seats in NJ, the winter months are pure evil. And the Integra’s ELS 3D stereo is heaven.
@@NeoDiNardo yeah but for that price you have vehicles like the Kia k5 GT, or Elantra N, the integra gets underwhelming reviews for a reason, its price just isn't very good due to a lower class vehicle getting marked up much higher, with little significant upgrades or unique styling. Mazda 3 hatchback with the 2.5 turbo(250 horse, 320 torque, AWD) is also the same price.. which makes it a super tough buy when you consider all this competition that are trying harder.
I just think that lasering in on this Acura(slower civic) without giving what most consider superior options more of a chance is a mistake is all.
Slow car fast is better than a fast cars slow. Had a clean unmodded g35 (before it was stolen) and I could never ring it out safely. While driving normally with a big of ringing got mpgs in the 18s. Drove one of these and was impressed especially with the dealer discounts and the rest going into 401k; definitely on the list for my next car.
My brother had one of the original Integras (yes, going into the way-back machine) and he loved the thing. They can clean this up a bit more and you've got a great entry-level to Ac monster. Love the stick-shift. Love it. I'd love if they put into the TL line.
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I have a 2020 ILX and went in for an oil change. I saw a 2023 Teggy and was looking at it and was blown away to see the engine and HP was the same and was 45k for the display they had. It sure looked nice but it was damn about 20k more than my car....didn't seem worth it
You got a brand new ILX for 25k?
@@koolkitties8552 2022 ilx retails at about 26.5k
@@koolkitties8552 $25,535 to be exact, off the showroom floor. Its the base model, I should have took my time with it.
ILX is on a 10 year old inferior chassis with a crappy motor - the new Integra has a chassis two generations newer and a motor that makes 280whp/340wtq with an e30 tune and downpipe.....easily superior to an ILX in every way for those who know what they are looking at
So you're comparing your base model ILX to the dealer decked out demo. Not too sharp, huh?
They should have left the car in the past